At 11:15 I had originally played the melody from Face To Face - Heart To Heart in a previous take and then decided to change it to Hey, Hey Guy and forgot to update the banner. sorry.
The main difference is the amount of voices. The Juno 60 has 6 voices, but the Juno 106 has 6 voices. To make things even more complicated, there is also a Juno 6 and that one has 6 voices.
we all lack humour when listening to synth music Regarding the differences, i owned both, eventually sold the 60 and only kept the 106 for essential features. It’s roughly the same synth
Juno 60 always sounds better in these videos, but I find the 106 fits into mixes much more easily. My 106 found its way into tons of songs, while the 60 was fun by itself. I sold the 60, kept the 106 and never looked back.
Apart from the longer envelope times on the 106, the microprocessor generated DCO timing made för perfect octaves on the 106. The 60 hade a divide down chain counter for DCO timing and the octaves are slightly stretched. This gives the 60 the impression of DCO's running slightly in and out of phase with each other which is more like the sound of VCO's. You will notice this if you play 2 notes an octave apart. it gets more noticeable up the higher octaves.
Really well demonstrated with all the context given. I had an immaculate 106 in the studio and I have the 6, so I did some private comparisons on big speakers. The 106 was cleaner and brighter and the 6 was fuzzier and a little darker. It felt like the 6 was hanging onto the 70s and the 106 was a hi-fi embracing of the 80s. It was reasonably subtle of course, not night and day. But it was noticeable. Thinking about it, I should have made a video about it before I gave the 106 back but you've done it now anyway. 🙂
About 10 years ago I had both the 60 and the 106. I sold the 106 and have never regretted it. To me, and maybe that's what you're describing here mr. Alex Ball (you synth legend you), the 106 has the typical "hammock eq" sound with brighter treble and more bass, whereas the 60 has more "ommpff" in the mid range eq. As everyone is saying, they are really similar in sound, but I've always felt that the 60 sounded quite a bit better to my ears. I love, and make, 80s music (and I don't like techno at all) so according to SynthMania maybe I did the right choice in keeping the 60 and selling the 106. And I remember at the time hearing a lot about the voice chip problems with the 106, and that was also one of the reasons I sold the 106.
when i think "synthmania" i imagine WrestleMania WWE hype but with synths being introduced into the ring and talking smack against each other with vocoder voices
Option C: Get an alpha Juno 2 with a programmer. Has velocity, aftertouch, chord memory, more waveforms, sawtooth PWM, Variable Chorus speed, AND- SAVES A TON OF MONEY. The filter doesn't self oscillate and some people dislike it over the original junos but I think it fits better in the mix.
I have both a 106 & Juno alpha2.......you missed the important fact the alpha sounds nothing like the 106/60. So if you’re trying to do that 80s synthpop sound the alpha isn’t an option.
@@pizzagogo6151 Espen Kraft uses his Alpha Juno for synthpop all the time and I think he pulls it of nicely. I also own a Alpha Juno 2 and a 106, and I do agree they are very different. I would prefer the Alpha Juno if the chorus was as good as the 106. But it doesn't even come close. :) The Alpha Juno can do a lot more things then the 106, but the things the Juno can do it does so well...
Bo Had the 106 and AJ2, sold the AJ2 and never looked back. Actually, I’ve owned the AJ1 also come to think of it. 106 has something special about it. Funny because I let the guy buying my last AJ2 play some of my synths and when he played the 106, he was offering me money for it.
Wow, so educational. For me, the Juno 60 has a soft spot in my heart (along with the Prophet)... I guess that's because of my age and my beginnings of taking notice of music...
Thanks for a great video again, especially to know a bit about the history. I have several vintage synths but I tend to mostly play on the 60 and 106. The sounds are great and the direct handling without digging into menus and having buttons and sliders for each function is so much fun.
You're one of the best - a guy with a passion for the gear and no axe to grind. It's difficult to walk that line when what can feel like naive questions are flung at you indiscriminately after your decades of fascination and dedication with the "toys" - but MAN - you walk that line so well. I have quite a few classic pieces of gear, but nowhere near the dedication that you have to give back to the community at large. You probably aren't well enough recognised, so thanks for all your input on GS as well - it balances the place out nicely👌
@@SynthManiaDotCom You're SO welcome (I've downloaded and reviewed so many of the presets for my vintage gear from your links and compared the original presets to your appraisals .... I just can't believe how much effort that must have taken ... big thanks man - kudos).
I bought both new in 1982/1984, toured them for 10 years live, and still have them. The Juno 60 is "warmer"/fatter. The 106 has a unison mode and portamento for interesting mono lead sounds, but more of a digital sounding OSC. 🎹😎👍 (I also have the DCB to Midi converter for my 60)
Your vids are always a delight. This one especially hits the spot... Deejaying at raves from 89 to 92 this is the sound of my youth. Keep it coming and hope you can one day put your best dittys together for a synth mania album 😉 Thanks Paulo
I own a Juno 106 and I never knew about monophonic mode lol. It's been really bitter sweet owning it because I have never known how to really get the sound I want out of it. Thanks for this vid. Hopefully can bring me and my Juno closer together.
That's what I loved about the 106 the fact that all the slider movements could be recorded into a sequencer .. probably why it was popular with techno artists/producers
I am so old that I was buying a Juno 60 the same moment it came out. About one year later (?) I bought a Juno 106. Newer, with MIDI, etc. I spend 3 days for A/B tests and decided to keep the Juno 60, Just sound(ed) better! Sure 106 sounds good too, let’s call it ...different. Both machines are legendary. But I will still have the 60 over the 106. Just my opinion.
Same opinion here. Got a 60 cos it sounds warmer/richer to me. The 106 sounds sounds slightly digital/cleaner to me, though it's analog. Both great of course
I almost got a Juno 60 in 1983... but got the 106 in 1985... everyone was getting DX7s ... but for some reason I loved the Juno sounds! Spent so many hours playing that 106 man! Wish I still had it! 😎🎸🎹🤘🐦
WOW...Great comparison..and man! great music making on your part.. I have the 60 and i'm working on a 106 right now for repair.. now you got me excited to use them..
Magne Furuholmen (a-ha) also use the Juno-106. I have been on some of their concerts, and he had the Juno-106 on stage. Back in the 80's he used it along with DX7/DX7ll/D-50/Juno 60. I have seen that on pictures and videos from the 80s and 90s
As part of a synth band in the 80's, we had a Juno-106 as part of our equipment roster. I was designated the "tech guy" of the band, and responsible for all things working electronically as well as the ferreting out all the required sounds and patches. I spent a lot of time tinkering with the 106 and I recall yearning for a second VCO (DCO in this case). Had it come with two DCO's I would have liked it much better. The chorus almost made up for it as that was probably my favorite feature of this synth, but if it had two DCO's it would probably have been my favorite synth of the bunch.
I always heard people saying the 106 had less bass but from this comparison it doesn't seem like it's the case! Always better hearing it from Paolo who has the experience and actually knows what he's talking about!
I got the 60, and while I think it sounds a bit warmer and fatter generally than the smoother 106, the 106 has a very deep bass, which might even beat the 60 in that respect. I know people who often use the 106 as their main bass synth
You are a wonderful teacher and great keyboardist! I really loved the way you showed us from the rough stages how the song turned out in the end. Also, your playing both keyboards at once was so cool!!
I never would have thought that the 106 would ditch the arppegiator! I guess they figured that since it came with MIDI, you could use that for sequences and what not, but still - the arppegiator is a fantastic inspirational and compositional tool!
I bought a new HS60 (same as the Juno 106 with speakers) back in the day and I still have it. We've come a long way since then but it still stands up today as an easy to use synth for those who are learning how sounds are generated and be creative.
You’re so helpful. I love this. I have both and love both for different reasons as you said. People like to fight over these and defend whichever one they own - but owning both I just see them as strong in different ways. There doesn’t need to be “one” winner. Both are also incredibly overpriced at the moment on the secondary market, so good timing. People love these. A return to simple synthesis is needed. And all Roland is capable of nowadays is stuff like the Jupiter X 🤷♂️
Great demo, as always! :) One thing to also mention perhaps, is that Juno 60 and Juno 6 has the option of modulating PWM from the envelope. The plugout Juno 106 synth for System 8, System 1 and the VST-versions have that, as well as a second envelope available. These are good options, for those that can't afford old vintage gear.
Excellent video! I think the 60 sounds a bit more bold with analogue vibes. The 106 sounds slightly cleaner but I love them both, I'd say my heart goes with the 106 just because I'm a sucker for Juno pads.
Wow, I didn't know the 106 could do so much. I used to own the 60 and a friend and the 106, but he mostly made cinematic pad sounds through an external chorus and delay - he never showed off sounds like you just did. 🤤
Yes, I had originally played the melody from Face To Face - Heart To Heart in a previous take and then decided to change it to Hey, Hey Guy and forgot to update the banner :\
Ishkur23 I've been meaning to ask you, but have you acquired any Synths over the years, you never made any mention on the forums, so I wonder, have you any inclination?
Great video! I have a Juno-60 and I had for some reason a preconception of the 106 as being "almost the same but a bit more dull". This demo opened my eyes, especially the portamento jam. The 106 is real beauty as well. :)
The Juno-6 is famous for A-Ha's Take on Me Lead Sound, the Juno-60 was famous for the 3-Octave Arpeggio from Guru Josh's Infinity and the Juno-106 was used for that typical Space Synth Bassline used by Laserdance, Koto, etc...
According to this interview with Michael Van Der Kuy of Laserdance he used a Juno-60 for the bass sounds, but I don't know...www.spacesoundrecords.com/rygar.html To quote: "I played all the leads with the JX-10 from Roland . All bass lines with the Juno-60 and MSQ-100 as a sequencer..."
Out of curiosity could you please do a video on producing music 80’s styled. How they would record on tape etc…the technical stuff if it’s not too much work for you….
Hi Paolo, I would love to hear more detailed comparison of like-for-like patches. Many people say the 60 just sounds “better” and I’d really like to hear that explored more.
I can say from experience..[ Repaired synths for a living ] the two are so similar that its not really worth even talking about... But I can also tell you from experience that by far and away the most out of the two I had in for repairs was the 106.. 106s suffer pretty badly from the vcf/vca voices going kaputt.. The 60s and 6's were mostly noisy pots and switches.. also dead keys.. oh and btw in my opinion the main reason the 106 was used by more electronica producers was really because it had midi implementation and DJ's producers would just plug it in and it worked out of the box with there midi sequencing equipment..
I respect you as a repairman, but just listen to the video we are commenting below. :) The Juno-60 sounds so much warmer, it's not even comparable. It's the mid range that you cannot put in with EQ, and makes or breaks a legendary instrument. If it would be a guitar, it would be the quality of the wood.
@staircase2 Haha, that's a good one! :) But if we are serious, I really wonder, just exactly why they sound so different, as in the 60 sounds much more alive.
@@ianalen1687 "Interestingly coldish" for me is an oximoron. Electronic music -- especially pop music -- is all about the sound and the timbre, since musically it cannot hold a candle to classic or jazz. The more alive the sound, the more captivating those same 4 chords are... But the best would be to compare the same techno stuff recorded with a midified / extended Juno-60 (which can do everything the 106 can, and more, including portamento, sample and hold, and additional routable LFOs), and a 106... I have zero doubts you would prefer the 60 in a blind comparison. We are basically arguing about using a cheaply manufactured guitar vs. a very well made guitar out of selected and aged wood... In no situation will the first sound better than the latter (you can still cut frequencies from the Juno-60 to make it cold, but you cannot add the missing frequencies to a 106 to make it sound not cheap).
@@Andronty Ok, I agree. By interestigly coldish I did not mean the sound of the techno demo in this video, which sounds bit raw, but rather something like this here th-cam.com/video/I46IHLvkkY4/w-d-xo.html the pulling drone sound in the background ( synth vocals pad or maybe brass pad)
Great video, Paulo. You're playing really shows off the strengths of both these machines right across the board. I've never really been into the hard techno-sound - well ok I did have a Rave phase in the early 90s 😊 And for a long time I thought the Junos were pretty much one-trick-ponies - essential for that sound but ultimately quite limited. Then last year I saw someone playing a 106 live as their main keyboard in a covers band and I was blown away by the range of sounds she was getting. I started to realise how ubiquitous that Juno sound was to the pop music I was growing up with in the 80s and 90s as well as the harder sequencer driven stuff that came along later. Clearly both Junos are awesome musical instruments - but if I was in the market for one this video would be very useful. Cheers Marc
¡¡Mis Sintetizadores Analógicos Polifónicos favoritos!!. ¡¡Desearía tener alguno de ellos y hacer Italo Disco como tú SynthMania!!. ¡¡Gracias Paolo por enseñarme más sobre éstas reliquias de los 80's!!. PD: ¡¡Cuando quieras lanza una nuevo vídeo sobre Italo Disco, espero que llegue ese ansioso momento!!.
Jaja , son claves esos sintes amigo, mi abuelo tenia el Roland Juno 106, lamentablemente cuando fallecio, justo estabamos pasando una epoca fea, y bueno mi mama lo habia ido a ofrecer a una casa de musica, la cuestion que, como ella no sabia nada de musica la re cagaron, osea fue ofrecio el sinte y en plata le habran dado lo que valia nose, un casio de esos para empezar... yo en 2010 tenia 6 años... no sabia ni lo que era un sinte y no podia hacer nada... despues hace 2 años atras . me dijo donde habia ido a venderlo y yo fui a ver que onda, fui y les dije si se acordaban sobre ese negocio que hicieron en 2010 , y cuando se acordaron y me dijieron que si, los re cague a puteadas jaja, la verdad que unos hijos de re mil puta los de la casa de musica esa, (obviamente que yo halla ido a putearlos y a decirles de todo no hizo que me devolvieran el teclado, osea habian pasado casi 10 años jaja) pero nada , ala vez como que da tristeza, por que capaz que si mi vieja no lo hubiera vendido lo tendria aca en mi casa, y encima tampoco lu hubieran estafado... pero bueno, quedo como anecdota familiar jaja
@@tomaskobalctv949, ¡¡Qué lastima mi amigo, lo lamento muchísimo!!, lamentablemente en éste mundo pasan éstas cosas (y cosas peores aún), y lo peor de todo es que no podemos hacer nada al respecto. ¡¡Gracias por compartir tu historia y no pierdas la esperanza de que puedas conseguir un Roland Juno-106 (o un Roland Juno-60) en excelente estado y que puedas entretenerte con él y al mismo tiempo aprender más sobre la música de los 80's!!.
@@Portal-Yonathan jaja si, ojala algun dia pueda volver a tener uno aca en mi casa, encima mas o menos cuando tenia 12 años me empezaron a gustar los sintetizadores demaciado, hoy por hoy soy muy fancatico, a tal punto que tengo remeras de marcas conocidas de sintes y otros instrumentos mas, hoy por hoy me dedico a produccir, estudie piano, contrabajo y un poco de bateria y guitarra y bueno con el tema de la prodccion algo me enseño me hermano, no soy el mejor pero tengo algunos temas y siempre les dedico mucho cariño, por suerte mas alla de todo algo tengo, como para practicar y producir bien, me costo pero me pude dar, no te digo los mejores gustos, pero algo me fui armando con los años... pero bueno, que se la va a hacer jaja Saludos genio!
@@Portal-Yonathan Si la musica de los 80s me encanta, mas como decias vos, los generos Italo que le dicen, osea mas que nada me gusta por que mi papa escuchaba siempre y bueno, esa musica me trae recuerdos de cuando era pibe jaja, si por ahi estas en un tiempo libre te invito a escuchar un cover que hice de Savege, si te interesa esucharlo aca te dejo el link th-cam.com/video/PS1lUlBsBwo/w-d-xo.html saludos!
Hey Hey Guy! Nice comparison, great breakdown of the two synths. I had a 106 for about 15 years. Great synth. Heck of a sweet spot. Would like to get another one. Probably spring for the system 8 tho eventually. Been following your channel for almost 10 years. Or whenever the very beginning was. Keep up the great work!
to an innocent ear of the listener both sound sooo similar. I have a 106 and love it for its non-bs musical workflow and everything is accessible. really good for plucks leads and fx. some people say its limited but I feel that many work well in limitations
I have a midified Juno-60, with portamento and an additional LFO... I would never ever consider buying a 106; I'd get the Behringer Deepmind 12 instead. Actually I did: got 2 DM-12s to accompany the Juno-60.
Can you throw into the mix one of the Roland Boutique devices as a third option for those of us who aren't millionaires 😉 Forgot to say. Loved this video
They sound the same, but the Boutique has only four voices, so it is pretty useless for anything but monophonic playing. When playing chords (even just simple three-note ones), the voice stealing will quickly become obvious,.
My personal synth journey had me owning a 106 for a little over 2 years and not connecting with it. I sold it and bought a 60. Though it may not come across on TH-cam, for me anyway, the difference is night and day. The 106 sounds and feels like an MP3 compared to the 60. The 60 is alive, visceral, 3D, and every last sound just makes me giggle. It’s my favorite analog synth, period. Simply magical. The 106, again in my experience and opinion, sounds like a cheap emulation with none of the magic. YMMV.
Maybe your 106 needed calibration. Or maybe your musical style asks more for the 60. I am glad you found the synth that makes you happy. It's difficult to point out the best in between these machines. 106 gets a LOT of love out there.... not in vain.
@@nunimuller I have a calibrated 60, and had several calibrated 106-es beside it, because I thought at first the 106 I was doing the side-by-side comparison with was broken somehow. It is not the calibration. The 106 is lacking in the sound department -- period. I would love to show you, maybe break out a spectrometer, do mixing tests with your 106 (as I take you own one). It will not hold up. So many people did this (well, not so many, but those who did, all knew what they were doing). I wish it would'nt be like that: I could buy 3-4 106s from my 60 today. If it weren't for the HUGE difference in sound, I definitely would.
Check this video here then: th-cam.com/video/ncEgxQqB1FA/w-d-xo.html - This is Bruno Mars. Do you know him? This video is in his studio, and he shows the lady the steps to make the song "24k Magic". Go to minute 00:30s. When he is about to add what he calls "the secret sauce". Can you tell me what instrument he plays??? Can you tell me what is the secret sauce? Could be that it was not the one used in the recording. But he does go to a 106.. By the way, he has money to buy ONE THOUSAND JUNO 60's. In fact there is one Juno-60 right across the 106 that he is using. Why he didn't use the 60 @andronty ? Because definitely the 106 is better in other areas.... I am sure he uses the 60 for other things. That's all I am trying to say. Both are equally great! 106 suits some...... 60 suits others...... 60 is more rare and thus more expensive. But MUCH BETTER as you like to almost force people to believe, is BS. If you say you just prefer it, it's ok!
Gotta say that it was a great explanation of both synths and the techno demo just wanted me to go a destroy some cyborgs with a thermal katana, sick track man and keep it this way! Definitely I will go for the 60 whenever I save some cash but the 106 is also very tempting for composing 80s sci-fi shit
To me the Juno 60 is the intro to Time After Time.... really typical Juno 60 pad... dark and beautiful. And the intro to Here comes the rain (again) by Eurythmics with the nice arpeggio and those short chorused bass notes
for a few bucks you can modify the juno 60 or the juno 6 with even more features than the juno 106 ever had. (tubbutec mod) portamento, sequencer, unisono, stereo spreading, detune, midi in/out and more. and the main difference between the juno 106 and the juno 60/6 remains. the juno6/60 just sounds more fat. its not the same sound architecture. the 106 sounds more flat
Love your channel. I have both Juno 6 and 106 (and also an Alpha Juno). I've just set up my new studio, so I'll be doing another tour, there will be a segment on all the junos.
A simple trick to sync the arpegiator of a juno 6 or 60 without any special interface and cost: Send a click from one of the output of you DAW interface in the sync jack of the Juno. You can even "play" this click not evenly or change from a 1/4 note to an 1/8 or any subdivision you want in order to get different effects. And you record the outuput from the Juno in your DAW. I sometimes do that with my own Juno 6
I do something like this, using an output of a drum machine (clap usually) and sequence different patterns; gives some interesting and some times unpredictable results.
that was a great video. im a guitar player, and ive had a 106 for a decade. its made a few recordings but not much really. you explained a lot of things that probably seem obvious to a lot of people, but not to me! thanks again.
I had both in my last recording studio! So great. I pretty much moved across the country to run this studio entirely just to play them (and the arp odyssey) Unfortunately, they did not belong to me so I did not get to take them with me when we had to shut down due to covid hahahaha... I'm already regretting all the stuff I should have recorded with them when I had the chance! I will definitely get my own someday... for now I have to make due with the patches they have for Reaktor 6.
Great comparison. To me Juno 106 sounds more open and warm, and the Juno 60 is more agressive and had better features as arpegiator. Both are amazing though.
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At 11:15 I had originally played the melody from Face To Face - Heart To Heart in a previous take and then decided to change it to Hey, Hey Guy and forgot to update the banner. sorry.
That's what Ken Laszlo used :)
I do not think they used a 106 in Hey, Hey Guy. Sounds more like PPG to me. Unless you have a source? Or are you just guessing?
The sequencing has always been the tough part for me what are you using to sequence the 106 ?
@@SynthManiaDotCom I'm just guessing, sounded familiar..
@@SE-144 You wrote "That's what Ken Laszlo used :)"
The way you say portamento makes me want to go out for an Italian meal.
Parmigiana di melanzane.
Better move man
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arrivo in inghilterra, elisabetta non mi inchino.
Ahhhh hahaha funny
YESSSSSSSS!!!!! THANKS!!!
Hey it’s dr mix!
great video as always!!
Thank you, Claudio!
Grandi! Doctor Mix + Paolo Synth Mania = Viva l'Italia!
@@LB-pp7pu collab italo mix!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm amazed from how clean and fresh your synths look, as if they were manufactured today, no hits, no bumps, no dents and no scratches! incredible..
The main difference is the amount of voices. The Juno 60 has 6 voices, but the Juno 106 has 6 voices. To make things even more complicated, there is also a Juno 6 and that one has 6 voices.
It that some kind of joke or some kind of dementia?
@@herrbonk3635 someone with a German name and without a sense of humor. I would never expect such a thing.
@@reneotten7376 No. I'm Swedish, we lack humour too.
@@herrbonk3635 Well I am German. So my comment couldn't be a joke....
we all lack humour when listening to synth music
Regarding the differences, i owned both, eventually sold the 60 and only kept the 106 for essential features.
It’s roughly the same synth
Juno 60 always sounds better in these videos, but I find the 106 fits into mixes much more easily. My 106 found its way into tons of songs, while the 60 was fun by itself. I sold the 60, kept the 106 and never looked back.
Look back! 😄
Apart from the longer envelope times on the 106, the microprocessor generated DCO timing made för perfect octaves on the 106. The 60 hade a divide down chain counter for DCO timing and the octaves are slightly stretched. This gives the 60 the impression of DCO's running slightly in and out of phase with each other which is more like the sound of VCO's. You will notice this if you play 2 notes an octave apart. it gets more noticeable up the higher octaves.
Really well demonstrated with all the context given.
I had an immaculate 106 in the studio and I have the 6, so I did some private comparisons on big speakers. The 106 was cleaner and brighter and the 6 was fuzzier and a little darker. It felt like the 6 was hanging onto the 70s and the 106 was a hi-fi embracing of the 80s.
It was reasonably subtle of course, not night and day. But it was noticeable. Thinking about it, I should have made a video about it before I gave the 106 back but you've done it now anyway. 🙂
Thank you, Alex! Yep, I have the same opinion about the core sound
About 10 years ago I had both the 60 and the 106. I sold the 106 and have never regretted it. To me, and maybe that's what you're describing here mr. Alex Ball (you synth legend you), the 106 has the typical "hammock eq" sound with brighter treble and more bass, whereas the 60 has more "ommpff" in the mid range eq. As everyone is saying, they are really similar in sound, but I've always felt that the 60 sounded quite a bit better to my ears. I love, and make, 80s music (and I don't like techno at all) so according to SynthMania maybe I did the right choice in keeping the 60 and selling the 106. And I remember at the time hearing a lot about the voice chip problems with the 106, and that was also one of the reasons I sold the 106.
when i think "synthmania" i imagine WrestleMania WWE hype but with synths being introduced into the ring and talking smack against each other with vocoder voices
I’m so greatful to be a proud owner of a ju06a
It makes me appreciate these 2 juno synths in many ways I can imagine
I bought the 06A intending to sell my JU-06, but then I came to my senses, and realized I could chain the two and have a full 8-voice Juno :-)
Mine is coming in tomorrow!
Option C: Get an alpha Juno 2 with a programmer. Has velocity, aftertouch, chord memory, more waveforms, sawtooth PWM, Variable Chorus speed, AND- SAVES A TON OF MONEY.
The filter doesn't self oscillate and some people dislike it over the original junos but I think it fits better in the mix.
I have both a 106 & Juno alpha2.......you missed the important fact the alpha sounds nothing like the 106/60. So if you’re trying to do that 80s synthpop sound the alpha isn’t an option.
@@pizzagogo6151 Espen Kraft uses his Alpha Juno for synthpop all the time and I think he pulls it of nicely. I also own a Alpha Juno 2 and a 106, and I do agree they are very different. I would prefer the Alpha Juno if the chorus was as good as the 106. But it doesn't even come close. :)
The Alpha Juno can do a lot more things then the 106, but the things the Juno can do it does so well...
Bo Had the 106 and AJ2, sold the AJ2 and never looked back. Actually, I’ve owned the AJ1 also come to think of it. 106 has something special about it. Funny because I let the guy buying my last AJ2 play some of my synths and when he played the 106, he was offering me money for it.
I have a Polysix with a cheap MIDI interface. A GREAT partner to a 106, et al. A different tone, similar features. Great partners
@@demagmusic polysix is on my list, really like the ensemble. How difficult was the midi interface to install?
I’ve always loved these kinds of sounds, and it’s nice to hear all of these patches in one video. Thank you!
Glad you like them!
Wow, so educational. For me, the Juno 60 has a soft spot in my heart (along with the Prophet)... I guess that's because of my age and my beginnings of taking notice of music...
As always, thanks Paolo for your dedication, care to details and goodwill to share to new generations what we handle back then!
Lot of Love
Love how you say “portamento”
I was about to write the same, it does sound so italian
Funny how italian sounds good spoken...in italian :)
Very true!
italians rule. Italians make the coolest techno
Enjoy your video. Thanks. God bless n tekno disco rock. Onnn.
Thanks for a great video again, especially to know a bit about the history. I have several vintage synths but I tend to mostly play on the 60 and 106. The sounds are great and the direct handling without digging into menus and having buttons and sliders for each function is so much fun.
You're one of the best - a guy with a passion for the gear and no axe to grind. It's difficult to walk that line when what can feel like naive questions are flung at you indiscriminately after your decades of fascination and dedication with the "toys" - but MAN - you walk that line so well. I have quite a few classic pieces of gear, but nowhere near the dedication that you have to give back to the community at large. You probably aren't well enough recognised, so thanks for all your input on GS as well - it balances the place out nicely👌
Thanks so much, really appreciate it!!
@@SynthManiaDotCom You're SO welcome (I've downloaded and reviewed so many of the presets for my vintage gear from your links and compared the original presets to your appraisals .... I just can't believe how much effort that must have taken ... big thanks man - kudos).
Those are some super clean Junos. You've done a great job keeping them in wonderfull shape if you've had them for a while.
I bought both new in 1982/1984, toured them for 10 years live, and still have them. The Juno 60 is "warmer"/fatter. The 106 has a unison mode and portamento for interesting mono lead sounds, but more of a digital sounding OSC. 🎹😎👍 (I also have the DCB to Midi converter for my 60)
Really enjoyed this comparison. Everything you do sounds awesome. Thanks Paolo!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. I owned a 106 for nearly 30 years & never got bored with it. Can't wait to see what's next!
The 60 also can have the envelope routed to PWM which is a nice feature and can produce sounds that are not possible on the 106. I love them both.
Your vids are always a delight. This one especially hits the spot... Deejaying at raves from 89 to 92 this is the sound of my youth. Keep it coming and hope you can one day put your best dittys together for a synth mania album 😉 Thanks Paulo
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
T99 Anastasia has always been one of my favorites. I's surprised how few people remember T99. Amazing comparison, Thank you.
I own a Juno 106 and I never knew about monophonic mode lol. It's been really bitter sweet owning it because I have never known how to really get the sound I want out of it. Thanks for this vid. Hopefully can bring me and my Juno closer together.
That's what I loved about the 106 the fact that all the slider movements could be recorded into a sequencer .. probably why it was popular with techno artists/producers
Amazing video! I'm saving up so hard for a 106 as my first vintage synth!
I am so old that I was buying a Juno 60 the same moment it came out. About one year later (?) I bought a Juno 106. Newer, with MIDI, etc. I spend 3 days for A/B tests and decided to keep the Juno 60, Just sound(ed) better! Sure 106 sounds good too, let’s call it ...different. Both machines are legendary. But I will still have the 60 over the 106. Just my opinion.
Same opinion here. Got a 60 cos it sounds warmer/richer to me. The 106 sounds sounds slightly digital/cleaner to me, though it's analog. Both great of course
I almost got a Juno 60 in 1983... but got the 106 in 1985... everyone was getting DX7s ... but for some reason I loved the Juno sounds! Spent so many hours playing that 106 man! Wish I still had it! 😎🎸🎹🤘🐦
That’s because the DX7 sounds horrible and the Juno sounds beautiful!
The Juno 60 can do the unison mode too: turn off, put arpeggiator in up mode, hold down key transpose while switching on.
Yep, I know. I've owned the Juno-60 for twenty-five years.
@@SynthManiaDotCom please could you pretend you didn't know about this trick? 😁
I've had a 60 for over 20 years and never knew this! I wonder if the 6 does the same?
@@TimJacksonOriginal Me neither but I've never read the manual either.
@@maccagrabme There's a manual!?!?!?!? Who knew? :D
Great comparison, overview, and demo, and thanks also for going over the history. These were the boards that got me so interested in synths.
Glad you enjoyed it!
WOW...Great comparison..and man! great music making on your part.. I have the 60 and i'm working on a 106 right now for repair.. now you got me excited to use them..
You always do a great job in your videos.👌
Magne Furuholmen (a-ha) also use the Juno-106. I have been on some of their concerts, and he had the Juno-106 on stage. Back in the 80's he used it along with DX7/DX7ll/D-50/Juno 60. I have seen that on pictures and videos from the 80s and 90s
I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR VIDEO DOING JUST THIS!!!!! THANK YOU!!!
This video is awesome! These are the kinds I like to see from you! Thanks so much for sharing
Andrew, thank you!
I've never heard anyone creating such a 90s sounding sound from the Juno 106,great job as always Paulo
8:24 - Ken Laszlo - Hey Hey Guy gotta love Italo Disco!
Tutuu...tutuui...Hellooo....do you feel the groove?
As part of a synth band in the 80's, we had a Juno-106 as part of our equipment roster. I was designated the "tech guy" of the band, and responsible for all things working electronically as well as the ferreting out all the required sounds and patches. I spent a lot of time tinkering with the 106 and I recall yearning for a second VCO (DCO in this case). Had it come with two DCO's I would have liked it much better. The chorus almost made up for it as that was probably my favorite feature of this synth, but if it had two DCO's it would probably have been my favorite synth of the bunch.
Thank you for keeping this stuff alive, even more, you fill it with live!
I always heard people saying the 106 had less bass but from this comparison it doesn't seem like it's the case! Always better hearing it from Paolo who has the experience and actually knows what he's talking about!
I got the 60, and while I think it sounds a bit warmer and fatter generally than the smoother 106, the 106 has a very deep bass, which might even beat the 60 in that respect. I know people who often use the 106 as their main bass synth
Love me some good old 80s retro synth sounds. Still as good today as yesteryear.
You are a wonderful teacher and great keyboardist! I really loved the way you showed us from the rough stages how the song turned out in the end. Also, your playing both keyboards at once was so cool!!
Glad it was helpful!
Justo estuve analizando mucho ambos synths esta semana. Alta reseña maestro.
One more thing: could u add subs? saludos desde AR
I never would have thought that the 106 would ditch the arppegiator! I guess they figured that since it came with MIDI, you could use that for sequences and what not, but still - the arppegiator is a fantastic inspirational and compositional tool!
I'm surprised the arpeggio function on the 60 hasn't been commented on more. Seems like an obvious advantage over the 106
I love how Juno-60 sounds :) good video! :)
Glad you like it!
You're amazing. I'm hooked on your videos after this!
Thank you I love your videos
Thank you very much
Another great video Paolo, just love seeing these analog synths in action, would be great to own one!
I bought a new HS60 (same as the Juno 106 with speakers) back in the day and I still have it. We've come a long way since then but it still stands up today as an easy to use synth for those who are learning how sounds are generated and be creative.
I absolutely love the sound of the juno synthesizers. What a dream to own some of these genius machines
You’re so helpful. I love this. I have both and love both for different reasons as you said. People like to fight over these and defend whichever one they own - but owning both I just see them as strong in different ways. There doesn’t need to be “one” winner. Both are also incredibly overpriced at the moment on the secondary market, so good timing. People love these. A return to simple synthesis is needed. And all Roland is capable of nowadays is stuff like the Jupiter X 🤷♂️
Great demo, as always! :) One thing to also mention perhaps, is that Juno 60 and Juno 6 has the option of modulating PWM from the envelope. The plugout Juno 106 synth for System 8, System 1 and the VST-versions have that, as well as a second envelope available. These are good options, for those that can't afford old vintage gear.
what a lovely video, keep up the amazing and detailed work
Excellent video! I think the 60 sounds a bit more bold with analogue vibes. The 106 sounds slightly cleaner but I love them both, I'd say my heart goes with the 106 just because I'm a sucker for Juno pads.
Wow, I didn't know the 106 could do so much. I used to own the 60 and a friend and the 106, but he mostly made cinematic pad sounds through an external chorus and delay - he never showed off sounds like you just did. 🤤
I'm not hearing The Twins, I'm hearing Ken Laszlo - Hey Hey Guy.
Is one a cover?
Yes, I had originally played the melody from Face To Face - Heart To Heart in a previous take and then decided to change it to Hey, Hey Guy and forgot to update the banner :\
@Ishkur23 Good ear on that one. I totally missed it, but I think I was transfixed by the pretty double-stuff Junos (trance-fixed?) x`-D
Nice to see Ishkur is still roaming the interwebs, it's been a long time, P.S.
DiesIrae&DisArray
Ishkur23 I've been meaning to ask you, but have you acquired any Synths over the years, you never made any mention on the forums, so I wonder, have you any inclination?
I thought I was hearing Get Lucky
Love that Juno sound
Great video! I have a Juno-60 and I had for some reason a preconception of the 106 as being "almost the same but a bit more dull". This demo opened my eyes, especially the portamento jam. The 106 is real beauty as well. :)
Glad it was helpful!
The Juno-6 is famous for A-Ha's Take on Me Lead Sound, the Juno-60 was famous for the 3-Octave Arpeggio from Guru Josh's Infinity and the Juno-106 was used for that typical Space Synth Bassline used by Laserdance, Koto, etc...
According to this interview with Michael Van Der Kuy of Laserdance he used a Juno-60 for the bass sounds, but I don't know...www.spacesoundrecords.com/rygar.html
To quote: "I played all the leads with the JX-10 from Roland . All bass lines with the Juno-60 and MSQ-100 as a sequencer..."
Buongiorno Paolo. Grazie per la condivisione. Così simili e così diversi. Condivido in pieno
Grazie, Mark 2!
This is akin to asking "which child is your favorite"? 😉
Exactly! And the answer is: "come here, 60, my baby!"
@@Andronty 60 for sure, i always wanted one but so expensive !
My parents made a terrible mistake with my older sister. She was born without MIDI. It's the only reason I exist.
Out of curiosity could you please do a video on producing music 80’s styled. How they would record on tape etc…the technical stuff if it’s not too much work for you….
Yeah, I have it on the to-do list
Fantastic comparison demo! Thank you man!
Hi Paolo, I would love to hear more detailed comparison of like-for-like patches. Many people say the 60 just sounds “better” and I’d really like to hear that explored more.
You helped me decide that the junk 106 is a better fit for me. Thanks!
Grande Paolo! Chiaro e preciso come sempre e indicazioni davvero utili per chiarirsi le idee!! Complimenti e avanti così!! 👍👍👍👍
Juno-106 Techno part was amazing. Extremely impressed by the sounds it is capable of.
I can say from experience..[ Repaired synths for a living ] the two are so similar that its not really worth even talking about... But I can also tell you from experience that by far and away the most out of the two I had in for repairs was the 106.. 106s suffer pretty badly from the vcf/vca voices going kaputt.. The 60s and 6's were mostly noisy pots and switches.. also dead keys..
oh and btw in my opinion the main reason the 106 was used by more electronica producers was really because it had midi implementation and DJ's producers would just plug it in and it worked out of the box with there midi sequencing equipment..
I respect you as a repairman, but just listen to the video we are commenting below. :) The Juno-60 sounds so much warmer, it's not even comparable. It's the mid range that you cannot put in with EQ, and makes or breaks a legendary instrument. If it would be a guitar, it would be the quality of the wood.
@staircase2 Haha, that's a good one! :) But if we are serious, I really wonder, just exactly why they sound so different, as in the 60 sounds much more alive.
@@Andronty Exactly, Juno -60 has better - warmer sound, timbre, but thanks to the 106 the electronic music sounded so interestingly cold-ish, remote.
@@ianalen1687 "Interestingly coldish" for me is an oximoron. Electronic music -- especially pop music -- is all about the sound and the timbre, since musically it cannot hold a candle to classic or jazz. The more alive the sound, the more captivating those same 4 chords are... But the best would be to compare the same techno stuff recorded with a midified / extended Juno-60 (which can do everything the 106 can, and more, including portamento, sample and hold, and additional routable LFOs), and a 106... I have zero doubts you would prefer the 60 in a blind comparison. We are basically arguing about using a cheaply manufactured guitar vs. a very well made guitar out of selected and aged wood... In no situation will the first sound better than the latter (you can still cut frequencies from the Juno-60 to make it cold, but you cannot add the missing frequencies to a 106 to make it sound not cheap).
@@Andronty Ok, I agree. By interestigly coldish I did not mean the sound of the techno demo in this video, which sounds bit raw, but rather something like this
here
th-cam.com/video/I46IHLvkkY4/w-d-xo.html
the pulling drone sound in the background ( synth vocals pad or maybe brass pad)
Great video, Paulo. You're playing really shows off the strengths of both these machines right across the board.
I've never really been into the hard techno-sound - well ok I did have a Rave phase in the early 90s 😊 And for a long time I thought the Junos were pretty much one-trick-ponies - essential for that sound but ultimately quite limited.
Then last year I saw someone playing a 106 live as their main keyboard in a covers band and I was blown away by the range of sounds she was getting.
I started to realise how ubiquitous that Juno sound was to the pop music I was growing up with in the 80s and 90s as well as the harder sequencer driven stuff that came along later.
Clearly both Junos are awesome musical instruments - but if I was in the market for one this video would be very useful.
Cheers
Marc
¡¡Mis Sintetizadores Analógicos Polifónicos favoritos!!.
¡¡Desearía tener alguno de ellos y hacer Italo Disco como tú SynthMania!!.
¡¡Gracias Paolo por enseñarme más sobre éstas reliquias de los 80's!!.
PD: ¡¡Cuando quieras lanza una nuevo vídeo sobre Italo Disco, espero que llegue ese ansioso momento!!.
Jaja , son claves esos sintes amigo, mi abuelo tenia el Roland Juno 106, lamentablemente cuando fallecio, justo estabamos pasando una epoca fea, y bueno mi mama lo habia ido a ofrecer a una casa de musica, la cuestion que, como ella no sabia nada de musica la re cagaron, osea fue ofrecio el sinte y en plata le habran dado lo que valia nose, un casio de esos para empezar... yo en 2010 tenia 6 años... no sabia ni lo que era un sinte y no podia hacer nada... despues hace 2 años atras . me dijo donde habia ido a venderlo y yo fui a ver que onda, fui y les dije si se acordaban sobre ese negocio que hicieron en 2010 , y cuando se acordaron y me dijieron que si, los re cague a puteadas jaja, la verdad que unos hijos de re mil puta los de la casa de musica esa, (obviamente que yo halla ido a putearlos y a decirles de todo no hizo que me devolvieran el teclado, osea habian pasado casi 10 años jaja) pero nada , ala vez como que da tristeza, por que capaz que si mi vieja no lo hubiera vendido lo tendria aca en mi casa, y encima tampoco lu hubieran estafado... pero bueno, quedo como anecdota familiar jaja
@@tomaskobalctv949, ¡¡Qué lastima mi amigo, lo lamento muchísimo!!, lamentablemente en éste mundo pasan éstas cosas (y cosas peores aún), y lo peor de todo es que no podemos hacer nada al respecto. ¡¡Gracias por compartir tu historia y no pierdas la esperanza de que puedas conseguir un Roland Juno-106 (o un Roland Juno-60) en excelente estado y que puedas entretenerte con él y al mismo tiempo aprender más sobre la música de los 80's!!.
@@Portal-Yonathan jaja si, ojala algun dia pueda volver a tener uno aca en mi casa, encima mas o menos cuando tenia 12 años me empezaron a gustar los sintetizadores demaciado, hoy por hoy soy muy fancatico, a tal punto que tengo remeras de marcas conocidas de sintes y otros instrumentos mas, hoy por hoy me dedico a produccir, estudie piano, contrabajo y un poco de bateria y guitarra y bueno con el tema de la prodccion algo me enseño me hermano, no soy el mejor pero tengo algunos temas y siempre les dedico mucho cariño, por suerte mas alla de todo algo tengo, como para practicar y producir bien, me costo pero me pude dar, no te digo los mejores gustos, pero algo me fui armando con los años... pero bueno, que se la va a hacer jaja
Saludos genio!
@@Portal-Yonathan Si la musica de los 80s me encanta, mas como decias vos, los generos Italo que le dicen, osea mas que nada me gusta por que mi papa escuchaba siempre y bueno, esa musica me trae recuerdos de cuando era pibe jaja, si por ahi estas en un tiempo libre te invito a escuchar un cover que hice de Savege, si te interesa esucharlo aca te dejo el link
th-cam.com/video/PS1lUlBsBwo/w-d-xo.html
saludos!
@@tomaskobalctv949, ¡¡Excelente cover Amigo!!, ¡¡Bien hecho, me encantó!!.
Hey Hey Guy! Nice comparison, great breakdown of the two synths. I had a 106 for about 15 years. Great synth. Heck of a sweet spot. Would like to get another one. Probably spring for the system 8 tho eventually.
Been following your channel for almost 10 years. Or whenever the very beginning was. Keep up the great work!
to an innocent ear of the listener both sound sooo similar. I have a 106 and love it for its non-bs musical workflow and everything is accessible. really good for plucks leads and fx. some people say its limited but I feel that many work well in limitations
I have a midified Juno-60, with portamento and an additional LFO... I would never ever consider buying a 106; I'd get the Behringer Deepmind 12 instead. Actually I did: got 2 DM-12s to accompany the Juno-60.
Juno 106 sounds like a Juno 60 with a blanket on it
Can you throw into the mix one of the Roland Boutique devices as a third option for those of us who aren't millionaires 😉
Forgot to say. Loved this video
Just get Zenology and never look back.
I own the Juno 106 and JU-06 and honestly the sound is very similar. I’m not a fan of many of the Boutique range, but I can testify for my JU-06
They sound the same, but the Boutique has only four voices, so it is pretty useless for anything but monophonic playing. When playing chords (even just simple three-note ones), the voice stealing will quickly become obvious,.
My personal synth journey had me owning a 106 for a little over 2 years and not connecting with it. I sold it and bought a 60. Though it may not come across on TH-cam, for me anyway, the difference is night and day. The 106 sounds and feels like an MP3 compared to the 60. The 60 is alive, visceral, 3D, and every last sound just makes me giggle. It’s my favorite analog synth, period. Simply magical. The 106, again in my experience and opinion, sounds like a cheap emulation with none of the magic. YMMV.
WORD!
Maybe your 106 needed calibration. Or maybe your musical style asks more for the 60. I am glad you found the synth that makes you happy. It's difficult to point out the best in between these machines. 106 gets a LOT of love out there.... not in vain.
@@nunimuller I have a calibrated 60, and had several calibrated 106-es beside it, because I thought at first the 106 I was doing the side-by-side comparison with was broken somehow. It is not the calibration. The 106 is lacking in the sound department -- period. I would love to show you, maybe break out a spectrometer, do mixing tests with your 106 (as I take you own one). It will not hold up. So many people did this (well, not so many, but those who did, all knew what they were doing). I wish it would'nt be like that: I could buy 3-4 106s from my 60 today. If it weren't for the HUGE difference in sound, I definitely would.
Check this video here then:
th-cam.com/video/ncEgxQqB1FA/w-d-xo.html - This is Bruno Mars. Do you know him? This video is in his studio, and he shows the lady the steps to make the song "24k Magic". Go to minute 00:30s. When he is about to add what he calls "the secret sauce". Can you tell me what instrument he plays??? Can you tell me what is the secret sauce? Could be that it was not the one used in the recording. But he does go to a 106..
By the way, he has money to buy ONE THOUSAND JUNO 60's. In fact there is one Juno-60 right across the 106 that he is using. Why he didn't use the 60 @andronty ?
Because definitely the 106 is better in other areas.... I am sure he uses the 60 for other things. That's all I am trying to say. Both are equally great! 106 suits some...... 60 suits others...... 60 is more rare and thus more expensive.
But MUCH BETTER as you like to almost force people to believe, is BS.
If you say you just prefer it, it's ok!
@Andronty you didn't reply to this one, what happened?
I have that book. 2 books actually. They are quite hard to find but priceless!
Totally awesome video. I didn't think anybody knew about the Twins. Great sounds with both these synths.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing thanks. I have the 106 for years and never really made use of the mono synth features/sounds. Next time I use it I will!☀️✨
Gotta say that it was a great explanation of both synths and the techno demo just wanted me to go a destroy some cyborgs with a thermal katana, sick track man and keep it this way! Definitely I will go for the 60 whenever I save some cash but the 106 is also very tempting for composing 80s sci-fi shit
To me the Juno 60 is the intro to Time After Time.... really typical Juno 60 pad... dark and beautiful. And the intro to Here comes the rain (again) by Eurythmics with the nice arpeggio and those short chorused bass notes
The Classic Roland Junos are great synths. I still use my Juno-106 and Juno-60 and it is fun to see others doing the same.
Hey Paolo! This is so great. Amore da Rome, GA. 😀
Glad you liked it!!
You mean I'm somehow not the only person in Rome watching this video right now? Wow
pat2rome Awrsome!
for a few bucks you can modify the juno 60 or the juno 6 with even more features than the juno 106 ever had. (tubbutec mod) portamento, sequencer, unisono, stereo spreading, detune, midi in/out and more. and the main difference between the juno 106 and the juno 60/6 remains. the juno6/60 just sounds more fat. its not the same sound architecture. the 106 sounds more flat
Love your channel. I have both Juno 6 and 106 (and also an Alpha Juno). I've just set up my new studio, so I'll be doing another tour, there will be a segment on all the junos.
I love your vids there easy to understand and also very interesting keep up the good work
A simple trick to sync the arpegiator of a juno 6 or 60 without any special interface and cost: Send a click from one of the output of you DAW interface in the sync jack of the Juno.
You can even "play" this click not evenly or change from a 1/4 note to an 1/8 or any subdivision you want in order to get different effects.
And you record the outuput from the Juno in your DAW.
I sometimes do that with my own Juno 6
I do something like this, using an output of a drum machine (clap usually) and sequence different patterns; gives some interesting and some times unpredictable results.
that was a great video. im a guitar player, and ive had a 106 for a decade. its made a few recordings but not much really. you explained a lot of things that probably seem obvious to a lot of people, but not to me! thanks again.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Wow!! That techno track is fantastic 😍 I love your videos!
Magnifique explication et Bonne Musique. Obrigado
You should really release an album with all the cool music you have made throughout the years. I would buy that in a hearbeat.
Boy are we synth nerds lucky to have you .. Awesome video from KING Paolo
Gracias Paolo. Saludos from Mexico. 🤓
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. Thanks, my friend Paolo !!!!!
Many thanks, Gus!! Miss you, buddy!!
I had both in my last recording studio! So great. I pretty much moved across the country to run this studio entirely just to play them (and the arp odyssey) Unfortunately, they did not belong to me so I did not get to take them with me when we had to shut down due to covid hahahaha... I'm already regretting all the stuff I should have recorded with them when I had the chance! I will definitely get my own someday... for now I have to make due with the patches they have for Reaktor 6.
Great comparison. To me Juno 106 sounds more open and warm, and the Juno 60 is more agressive and had better features as arpegiator. Both are amazing though.
Bit rude not having Enya with the red pen outline :) 4:50
106 rules! I used that thing for many a live show during the 80s
I want to buy both (can not afford to buy one!).