Years ago I shot 18 groundhogs (woodchucks here in upstate NY) one summer in my upper backyard on woods edge with 17HMR using a variety of ammo in a CZ bolt gun. The round was pretty new at the time. Range about 50 yds. Never had an exit wound. Never had one make it to the hole except for one where I pulled the shot. Usually DRT. They all sloshed around when you shook them as the rounds just devastated their innards. I was very impressed with the 17 but haven't used it much since. I went back to my first love...22 mag. I was a teenager when Winchester introduced it and was enamored with it and still am. That 40 grains just packs so much punch. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
Not many people have this much experience with both super rimfire rounds. I have two questions for you, sir, and I'd be grateful for any shared wisdom. I have the 22wmr as well and it's just amazing with how much power it has combined with the fact that you do not need ears. My question is, is the 17HMR louder or is it the same? Second question: if you're shooting something you'll eat, like a goose or a rabbit (if you ear rabbit like me) would you be ok with the 17hmr or will it be impossible to clean the mean from the fragments?
@@abadran8174 Since the 17HMR is based on the same case as the 22 Magnum and powder capacity is pretty much the same I would think, muzzle blast and report is pretty much the same. The 17 is accurate enough and rabbits sizeable enough to make head or upper body shots on them so there should be no significant meat loss. I've used it on squirrels a little and it is pretty devastating so head shots only. Rifles aren't allowed here on goose I think so I don't have any experience with them and don't hunt them. Happy hunting.
@@B25gunship same cartridge same capacity yes. But barrel and velocities are different so this could change report. So I would only trust someone who shot both on the same land.
I got a little keystone cricket in 22 magnum that serves as my small game and hog gun from October through the end of February. Tote that little sucker in a ozark trail hydration backpack that I repurposed by removing the bladder. Fits perfect with the barrel sticking down the drain hole and the stock slightly peaks out the top. Bring along one of those lightweight tripod seats and use a trecking pole hand loop to steady the rifle. Deadly accurate in a total package that weighs like 5 pounds, and doesn't cost much at all. 20 for the pack, 15 for the seat, 10 for the trecking pole. Slick little setup.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I bet that is an awesome gun to have especially before the leaves have fallen, as the 410 gives a little margin for error on fast moving squirrels or rabbits. I know people who have taken deer at close range with 410 brenneke slugs, so that is also an option. They say to basically get within bow range. Awesome woods survival weapon.
Chances are you'll never get the 17 vmax to go out the back.. it's NOT DESIGNED to.... it's a FRANGIBLE bullet... that's why you saw the SIDES of the second shot (center hit) can BLOW OUT....the bullet literally explodes inside.. into 3 or 4 pcs.... where the solid 22 mag just goes thru. This is why, when taking a prairie dog etc with a head shot.. there is no head left... thats the design of the round. ultra velocity+ frangible.
CCI A17 ammo is supposedly faster- advertised 2650fps with a 17gr ballistic tip. That's what I used in my rimfire cantaloupe video, and it didn't even exit the cantelope because it just completely disintegrated (close range). I also got MOA accuracy from the stuff at 400 yards from my Savage 93R17 in the long range video I did with it. Fun video (yours) 👍
They are both great rimfire rounds, however they each has there stronger points. Smaller game with longer shots 17 hmr all the way. Walking around the woods, larger game & or a mixed bag of game & conditions, it’s the 22 magnum for me with 40gr + .
Additionally, just watched a video of 22 mag vs 17 HMR vs Gel at 100 yards. Only the HMR expanded, and it did blow up rather nicely at about 2" to 4" , only traveling about 6" I believe. The 22. Mag did travel to 15".
Yes but the explosion in the vitals is way more than the 22 mag. People seem to forget that. 22 mag will make a cavity in a clay block but also passes through the block. The 17 blows the insets to hell
I shot a can of canned meat with a 20gr 17hmr XTP round. It blew up the can and went out the bottom. I shot it long ways like you did. I was using my Ruger American Target 17hmr.
Those rounds are both CCI they are fired out of my Ruger 17 HMR with the 18 inch barrel and for the 22 Mag that comes out of my Henry 22 magnum octagon barrel which is a 20 in
I watched a lot of videos .22 mag VS 17 HMR and that is why I went with the .22 mag. Just got it last summer so still new to it. Set it up for 50 grain Federal but going to try 40 gr and 30 grain CCI but now have the Savage 93 f but thinking of adding the Savage B22 Magnum FV for target shooting.
I'm not saying for sure BUT did your chronograph spend the night before drinking and now is giving us fictitious numbers because of a real bad "hang-over"? I hate vmax bullets for small game -- too much meat loss I'd rather not shoot than loose all the meat so I go for fmj rounds. A 👍 review
I have put together a interesting plan over the last few days that has changed here and there. Main concept is a air rifle that will be able to be safely modified to fire .22LR, .22 Mag and .17 HMR, though how I plan on doing this isn't typical. I like the cheap factor, low noise and recoil and how abundant .22lr, but would also like the option to shoot, from the same gun, .22 mag for extra power and .17 HMR for longer shots on small game. I theory crafted and came up with a solid concept, and if it isn't widely well known at that point, i'm going to present a cool firearm. Though I bet if people knew how, there'd be a trace or hint of something online. It's not life changing but it's a solid, cheaper option for some expensive guns atm.
The rounds are not comparable as they both do exactly what they are designed to do, 22 go straight through and the 17 explode on impact in my opinion pound for pound the 17 is devastating
@@TheOldFatDadGoober ?? It’s like comparing a 4x4 to a sports car! How can something that travels at 2500fps and is designed to cause huge damage on impact be compared to a sub sonic round? That uses only its weight to cause damage?
If I am hunting real beavers (we do that here) then the 22 Mag is my preference. I save my 17 HMR for gophers, rats, magpies and other small varmints and the 22 Mag for beavers, raccoons, skunks and maybe coyotes at close range (25 to 50 yards - distance to barn stuff, 223 REM for farther out). Rabbits, grouse, partridge - can go either way. Always headshots anyhow.
Personally I find the a17 and the a22 Magnum ammunition more effective the a17 is rated at 2650 ft per second the a22 is rated at 2100 ft per second but that is with a 35 grain round for the a22
Thanks for watching! I think it's accurate enough that I could get head shots and feel ok about the rest of the meat. Have to try it in the real world and get back to you.
No more videos? How about some .22 short tests. I know it is getting scarce and expensive and to my experience not so accurate, but still fun to shoot with.
Here's my actual hunting experience with both calibers, the .17 is mostly only good for squirrel sized game, I did manage to take a coyote with a 165 yard headshot though, and that was with the 20gr Hornady xtp bullet, the 17gr bullets are nearly useless against anything larger than a squirrel though, rockchucks were shrugging them off and running to their dens, the .22 lr was actually more effective, the .22 mag is much better suited to larger than squirrel sized game, and those 30gr vmax are not the bullet to use, they also work great for squirrel, for larger critters the 40gr hp or 40gr semi jacketed sp work much better, their both great rounds, but they definitely have their limits and bullet selection is key, especially with the .17
I thought that I’d seen it that way in the slowmo too. Just too lazy to scroll back and look. So it seems the 17hmr is doing its thing and dumping all its energy on impact then.
Man Ruger precision is about the only bolt action I will own. It takes the lame right out of it and makes bolt action cool again 😂 Just kidding it all depends on need They just need to create a precision semi auto. The solution they came up with to solve the 17 HMR RINDIRE SEMI AUTO issue was pretty genius. Obviously if you have searches like I have their were very limited options when It came to 17hmr semi-auto and even less in an AR STYLE PLATFORM ALEXANDER ARMS MADE W GREAT ONE BUT ITS PRICEY for most
The 17hmr is more of a blow it up caliber, penetrate and blow up and have the bullets fragments tear up the insides as much as possible, now im not saying the 22mag cant do that, but it seems that its more on the side of deeper and better penetration, the 17hmr obliterated the dog food cans, and seemed to have done more explosive damage, where the 22mag had better penetration on the pumpkin. I Dont think really is an actual winner here, i think its all up to the shooter and what they plan to shoot and what distance to shoot from, both are great for hunting but if i were to hunt small game for the meat id go with the 22mag, more penetration less explosion, less damaged meat. But for plinking and pest control id go with a 17hmr.
Sorry, I don't get the whole "name of the channel" thing. Seems kind of disingenuous. Content is first-class, "A" quality. But you should change the name to something that makes sense.
Never ever never under estimate the wonderful awesome 22 magnum. Nice review thanks for doing it.
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I love the idea of taking a tiny bullet and making it more powerful
@@GoldRaven-oe4by Thanks for watching! Check out the 17 WSM.
Years ago I shot 18 groundhogs (woodchucks here in upstate NY) one summer in my upper backyard on woods edge with 17HMR using a variety of ammo in a CZ bolt gun. The round was pretty new at the time. Range about 50 yds. Never had an exit wound. Never had one make it to the hole except for one where I pulled the shot. Usually DRT. They all sloshed around when you shook them as the rounds just devastated their innards. I was very impressed with the 17 but haven't used it much since. I went back to my first love...22 mag. I was a teenager when Winchester introduced it and was enamored with it and still am. That 40 grains just packs so much punch. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
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@@TheOldFatDadGoober Great video BTW.
Not many people have this much experience with both super rimfire rounds. I have two questions for you, sir, and I'd be grateful for any shared wisdom.
I have the 22wmr as well and it's just amazing with how much power it has combined with the fact that you do not need ears. My question is, is the 17HMR louder or is it the same?
Second question: if you're shooting something you'll eat, like a goose or a rabbit (if you ear rabbit like me) would you be ok with the 17hmr or will it be impossible to clean the mean from the fragments?
@@abadran8174
Since the 17HMR is based on the same case as the 22 Magnum and powder capacity is pretty much the same I would think, muzzle blast and report is pretty much the same. The 17 is accurate enough and rabbits sizeable enough to make head or upper body shots on them so there should be no significant meat loss. I've used it on squirrels a little and it is pretty devastating so head shots only. Rifles aren't allowed here on goose I think so I don't have any experience with them and don't hunt them. Happy hunting.
@@B25gunship same cartridge same capacity yes. But barrel and velocities are different so this could change report. So I would only trust someone who shot both on the same land.
I got a little keystone cricket in 22 magnum that serves as my small game and hog gun from October through the end of February. Tote that little sucker in a ozark trail hydration backpack that I repurposed by removing the bladder. Fits perfect with the barrel sticking down the drain hole and the stock slightly peaks out the top. Bring along one of those lightweight tripod seats and use a trecking pole hand loop to steady the rifle. Deadly accurate in a total package that weighs like 5 pounds, and doesn't cost much at all. 20 for the pack, 15 for the seat, 10 for the trecking pole. Slick little setup.
Thanks for watching! That sounds like a great setup. I've got a chiappa double badger that I'm trying to build a similar setup around.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I bet that is an awesome gun to have especially before the leaves have fallen, as the 410 gives a little margin for error on fast moving squirrels or rabbits. I know people who have taken deer at close range with 410 brenneke slugs, so that is also an option. They say to basically get within bow range. Awesome woods survival weapon.
Love them both for differing uses. Thanks for the video.
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The foot-pounds of energy told the whole story. This exercise just confirmed it.
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Great Video. I had wondered where you had gone. My favorite is the 22 Mag. I just love this caliber!
Thanks for watching! The 22 Mag is a good one.
Chances are you'll never get the 17 vmax to go out the back.. it's NOT DESIGNED to.... it's a FRANGIBLE bullet... that's why you saw the SIDES of the second shot (center hit) can BLOW OUT....the bullet literally explodes inside.. into 3 or 4 pcs.... where the solid 22 mag just goes thru. This is why, when taking a prairie dog etc with a head shot.. there is no head left... thats the design of the round. ultra velocity+ frangible.
Thanks for watching! The ballistic tipped rounds are super frangible. Did you know that the 17 hmr has a fmj round though?
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I know the one 20 gr'r was... have to look again at the 17's..
17hmr xps or hollow points i have 17hmr xps for game land hog hunting
CCI A17 ammo is supposedly faster- advertised 2650fps with a 17gr ballistic tip. That's what I used in my rimfire cantaloupe video, and it didn't even exit the cantelope because it just completely disintegrated (close range). I also got MOA accuracy from the stuff at 400 yards from my Savage 93R17 in the long range video I did with it. Fun video (yours) 👍
Thanks for watching! I've been very happy with the performance and accuracy of the 17s so far. I'll check out the A17, sounds like a good round.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I buy them in the 200rd pack, best deal out there. Same for the "A22" .22wmr version...
@@BuckeyeBallistics HELL YA BROTHER
@@supergreatairgunreviews It's you! Haven't seen you on the channel in a while...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I'll try to leave some more dumb comments on there increase engagement. Haven't been on here much lately haha
I prefer the 22wmr for the heavier projectile. I'd rather be slinging 40 - 50 grains as opposed to 17 -20. Both are excellent varmint rounds.
Thanks for watching! 22 Mag is a great little round.
They are both great rimfire rounds, however they each has there stronger points. Smaller game with longer shots 17 hmr all the way. Walking around the woods, larger game & or a mixed bag of game & conditions, it’s the 22 magnum for me with 40gr + .
Thanks for watching!
TOFD G. Another good and fun video. Both of those rounds were moving on. And both did a nice job on the targets. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thanks for watching Bobcat!
Very good video thank you, I have a Winchester 9422M in .22 mag and I like it .
Thanks for watching!
Additionally, just watched a video of 22 mag vs 17 HMR vs Gel at 100 yards.
Only the HMR expanded, and it did blow up rather nicely at about 2" to 4" , only traveling about 6" I believe. The 22. Mag did travel to 15".
That is a good example of the difference!
Yes but the explosion in the vitals is way more than the 22 mag. People seem to forget that. 22 mag will make a cavity in a clay block but also passes through the block. The 17 blows the insets to hell
I shot a can of canned meat with a 20gr 17hmr XTP round. It blew up the can and went out the bottom. I shot it long ways like you did. I was using my Ruger American Target 17hmr.
Thanks for watching! 17 will do a number on some cans of juicy stuff.
I'm going with momentum numbers over velocity numbers. 22wmr.
Tried the .17 WSM? Supposed to be over 3000 fps for a rimfire.
Thanks for watching! If they start making the 17 wsm ammo again, I'll get one.
I have a CMR-30 By Kel Tek. It is awesome you should buy one. Pretty darn accurate for .22 mag imo
I've been looking for a good deal on one of those. Seem to be all about $600 right now which is more than I want to pay.
Those rounds are both CCI they are fired out of my Ruger 17 HMR with the 18 inch barrel and for the 22 Mag that comes out of my Henry 22 magnum octagon barrel which is a 20 in
Thanks for watching!
Is your range big enough to do a 200m test? .22wmr 30 Grain V-Max vs .17hmr vs .22lr Velocitor? All the Best from Scotland.
Thanks for watching! I do have 200 yards if I trim up some trees.
What was the distance you were shooting, if i missed the yardage, my apologies,.. great vid!
Thanks for watching! I might not have mentioned the distance. It was 25 yards.
.17hmr is darn accurate imo. There’s a larger .17 cal I wanted to try. Seen guys blowing up watermelons at 200 yards
The 17 WSM? It's an interesting round, but I can't find any ammo for it.
I watched a lot of videos .22 mag VS 17 HMR and that is why I went with the .22 mag. Just got it last summer so still new to it. Set it up for 50 grain Federal but going to try 40 gr and 30 grain CCI but now have the Savage 93 f but thinking of adding the Savage B22 Magnum FV for target shooting.
Thanks for watching! It's a good round!
I'm not saying for sure BUT did your chronograph spend the night before drinking and now is giving us fictitious numbers because of a real bad "hang-over"? I hate vmax bullets for small game -- too much meat loss I'd rather not shoot than loose all the meat so I go for fmj rounds. A 👍 review
Thanks for watching! I don't think the chrono is off. Which numbers seemed wrong?
@@TheOldFatDadGoober the ones in my head🤣
Someone needs to neck up that 17 wsm to make 22 wsm, just to see what kind of velocity/energy increase is possible.
Thanks for watching. That would be pretty awesome. Ever looked at the old 5mm Magnum? It's pretty close to what you're describing.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Just looked it up. Never heard of that before, but man that is really cool. 👊
I have put together a interesting plan over the last few days that has changed here and there. Main concept is a air rifle that will be able to be safely modified to fire .22LR, .22 Mag and .17 HMR, though how I plan on doing this isn't typical. I like the cheap factor, low noise and recoil and how abundant .22lr, but would also like the option to shoot, from the same gun, .22 mag for extra power and .17 HMR for longer shots on small game. I theory crafted and came up with a solid concept, and if it isn't widely well known at that point, i'm going to present a cool firearm. Though I bet if people knew how, there'd be a trace or hint of something online. It's not life changing but it's a solid, cheaper option for some expensive guns atm.
Thanks for watching! Sounds like a neat concept. Let me know how it goes.
Old and Bold wins the day. Am I correct when I say, that both rounds are good, just different?
Thanks for watching! I agree, they are both solid. They kind of fill the same role, the 17 hmr for more long range, the 22 mag more power upfront.
Have to agree .. ie out to 130m is all either proper range you need .. can't beat weigh of proj ..
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The both seem like great rounds to me.
They say you have to fill the pumpkins with liquid to get the big booms.
Thanks for watching! They were filled with water...😬
@@TheOldFatDadGoober 😆 Shows what I know! Well them dam beavers're still dead. 🦫💀
22 mag is an amazing caliber and more useful than other caliber for hunting.
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The rounds are not comparable as they both do exactly what they are designed to do, 22 go straight through and the 17 explode on impact in my opinion pound for pound the 17 is devastating
Thanks for watching! They are comparable and when you compare them you can really see the difference between them.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober ?? It’s like comparing a 4x4 to a sports car! How can something that travels at 2500fps and is designed to cause huge damage on impact be compared to a sub sonic round? That uses only its weight to cause damage?
@@studay1007 The 22 Mag round is definitely not subsonic. And the differences are what interests me. Why compare two rounds that are exactly the same?
Good testing Goober.
Thanks for watching!
22mag looks like a mini 350 legend
I’m infatuated with the 240 legend and 450 bushmaster now lol
Those are both awesome looking rounds. I haven't shot either yet...one day.
I love 22 mag, but I want 17 HMR as a friend ☺️
Thanks for watching! Your 22 Mag does look lonely...
If I am hunting real beavers (we do that here) then the 22 Mag is my preference. I save my 17 HMR for gophers, rats, magpies and other small varmints and the 22 Mag for beavers, raccoons, skunks and maybe coyotes at close range (25 to 50 yards - distance to barn stuff, 223 REM for farther out). Rabbits, grouse, partridge - can go either way. Always headshots anyhow.
Thanks for watching! We are hunting real beavers too. The 22 Mag does seem to be the better choice.
I’d probably have to vote 17. Great video 👍🏻💯
Thanks for watching! Don't tell anyone, but that's my favorite too.
😂 had a question? Do you shoot 25 y or 100 y. Look like you shoot 25 y
Thanks for watching! When I am testing accuracy it's usually 50 or 100. Dog food is usually 25 or less.
I made a 200 yard head shot with .223 with ATN THOR LT thermal Scope on a beaver .So far I shot 6 and trapped two
Thanks for watching! Still haven't got a beaver here.
You have your entry and exit hole backwards on the 17
Thanks for watching! Good spot.
Personally I find the a17 and the a22 Magnum ammunition more effective the a17 is rated at 2650 ft per second the a22 is rated at 2100 ft per second but that is with a 35 grain round for the a22
Thanks for watching! I'll have to check those out.
Pretty cool. I think I'll stick with the 22mag it does what it's supposed to. I don't really have any use for the 17HMR
Thanks for watching! Nothing wrong with the 22 mag.
I have to disagree with you OFDG. The 17 is a varmit round, you aren't eating small game that you shoot with that.
Thanks for watching! I think it's accurate enough that I could get head shots and feel ok about the rest of the meat. Have to try it in the real world and get back to you.
You should have opened the pumpkin up to see the damage inside.
Thanks for watching! Good idea, next time I will.
Very interesting test.
Thanks.
Still trying to work out what that might mean for me....
Thanks for watching! They are about the same price per round. Go 22 mag if you shoot under 100, 17 if you like to go past 100.
No more videos? How about some .22 short tests. I know it is getting scarce and expensive and to my experience not so accurate, but still fun to shoot with.
Thanks for watching! It's a busy time of year for me. I'll put one out for you this Monday though.
What's the barrel length on both rifles?
Thanks for watching! I believe they are both 18".
How do you like that RPR .17?
Thanks for watching! I like it. It's light and handy, easy to shoot. Kind of picky with ammo though. Some stuff it just won't shoot well.
Here's my actual hunting experience with both calibers, the .17 is mostly only good for squirrel sized game, I did manage to take a coyote with a 165 yard headshot though, and that was with the 20gr Hornady xtp bullet, the 17gr bullets are nearly useless against anything larger than a squirrel though, rockchucks were shrugging them off and running to their dens, the .22 lr was actually more effective, the .22 mag is much better suited to larger than squirrel sized game, and those 30gr vmax are not the bullet to use, they also work great for squirrel, for larger critters the 40gr hp or 40gr semi jacketed sp work much better, their both great rounds, but they definitely have their limits and bullet selection is key, especially with the .17
Thanks for watching! I appreciate the hunters perspective. The 17 and 22 mag both have a good selection of bullets.
Velocity rules, as always; but as the distance increases all bets are off.
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He had the pumpkin entrance and exit backwards for the 17hmr....
Thanks for watching! Good catch.
I thought that I’d seen it that way in the slowmo too. Just too lazy to scroll back and look. So it seems the 17hmr is doing its thing and dumping all its energy on impact then.
Funny. Noisy. Ear protection?
Thanks for watching! Ears protected every shot.
17HMR turns prairie dogs into firecrackers!
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Man Ruger precision is about the only bolt action I will own. It takes the lame right out of it and makes bolt action cool again 😂
Just kidding it all depends on need
They just need to create a precision semi auto. The solution they came up with to solve the 17 HMR RINDIRE SEMI AUTO issue was pretty genius. Obviously if you have searches like I have their were very limited options when It came to 17hmr semi-auto and even less in an AR STYLE PLATFORM ALEXANDER ARMS MADE W GREAT ONE BUT ITS PRICEY for most
Thanks for watching! A semi auto would be neat. I kind of like the bolt guns when the ammo is expensive though. Keeps me from blowing my budget. 😱
Good vid, bunnies taken with .22 mag need head shots or forget eating them. a 40 GN varmint out of a centerfire at around 3500 on dog food is good
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@@TheOldFatDadGoober thanks, keep up the good work.
Ok its my turn to be my usual PIA and complain you should be using a 17WSM instead of an HMR🤣🤣🤣 BUT 👍👏 another great review.
Thanks for watching! If they start making the ammo again, I'll pick one up.
The 17hmr is more of a blow it up caliber, penetrate and blow up and have the bullets fragments tear up the insides as much as possible, now im not saying the 22mag cant do that, but it seems that its more on the side of deeper and better penetration, the 17hmr obliterated the dog food cans, and seemed to have done more explosive damage, where the 22mag had better penetration on the pumpkin. I Dont think really is an actual winner here, i think its all up to the shooter and what they plan to shoot and what distance to shoot from, both are great for hunting but if i were to hunt small game for the meat id go with the 22mag, more penetration less explosion, less damaged meat. But for plinking and pest control id go with a 17hmr.
Thanks for watching! I agree, they both have their place.
Sorry, I don't get the whole "name of the channel" thing. Seems kind of disingenuous.
Content is first-class, "A" quality. But you should change the name to something that makes sense.
Thanks for watching! Interesting take, got any ideas?
There is a big deference in grain weight, can't compare Will Robinson
Thanks for watching! It's ok to compare different grain weights, I asked and got permanent.
Old fat dad dropping bangers 😉
Thanks for watching! Dang beavers! 🦫
Maybe someone should make a 30grn 17hmr bullet.
Thanks for watching! That's an interesting idea... 🤔
Safety dude .kids watching you walk down range after putting a round in .like the videos just saying
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If you want more impressive results fill your pumpkins with water
Thanks for watching! The sad part is they were filled with water...😂
Hahahaha. Punkin Bustin!!
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The 22mag wins again
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.22 mag all day.
Thanks for watching! Solid choice.
.22 mag is no joke.
Thanks for watching! Definitely no joke.
Yeah, Pumpkins are not impressive to shoot.
Thanks for watching! Gotta use a 12 ga next time!
The .17 is just another fad round in my opinion.
Thanks for watching! I hope not, it's really fun to shoot.
We like ours, but we don't hunt
Just plinking around
It's a fun round
1st
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17 hmr will turn a varmints insides into mush faster and at a further distance. its a better rimfire for the actual killing job
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The new hotness is a flop , 22 mag is still king balisticly, 17 hmr is dying breed anyway
Thanks for watching! I hope the 17 doesn't flop, I kind of like it.