He's a rescue. Him and 2 of his siblings were abandoned on an empty stretch of highway that runs through the Daniel Boone National Forest. We are fostering him until his forever home can be found. We found homes for his brother and sister. He's the only one left. Not much is known about his background, obviously, but my wife and I have got him up to date on his shots and dewormer. Thanks for asking about the little guy.
In the first test you did everything right. You used the right gun the ammo was made for. You GOT the right velocity. The bullets seem to need to be going supersonic to function correctly and that isn't going to happen out of a pistol. If CCI wants to repair its reputation, they need to recall this stuff. It isn't plinking ammo, but expensive defense ammo that people are trusting their lives to.
I think it was Tools&targets that just made a video about these and he found that 1 inch of barrel made all the difference between expanding and non-expanding and they hit a thousand feet per second from a 4 inch barrel he also found that from a rifle barrel they tend to break apart
Defensive uses? Nothing better than the following so far: Federal Punch Aguila Interceptor 40gr, CCI Velocitor 40gr, or Winchester Super-X Hypervelocity 40gr, all rated above 1400 fps. CCI Stinger (so long as your firearm utilizes a standard "sporter" chamber).
Just so you know, Aguila super maximum can be had in a 30 grain solid, is faster and slightly heavier than Federal punch, and about 30% less money. Aguila Interceptor can also be had in a solid, and is even more powerful and heavier (40gr) than both of them (1130fps in my 4" Sig P322)
Scott, if you have a 16" rifle, Aguila interceptor 40gr (solid or HP) will clock in at 1400-1450fps, and has the same muzzle energy as a 380 auto from a 3.25" pistol. It is significantly hotter and deeper penetrating than Stinger in my tests.
So long as you're not running anything but a standard "sporter" chamber, the Stingers work fine. Tighten that up to Bentz or Match grade, not working anymore.
Oh, you laugh. Well, this will wipe the smile off your face. The water that Buffalo was using wasn't FBI certified. It takes thousands of hours of research and analysis in government laboratories to ensure that FBI water is of a consistent quality and specific gravity. It costs about $1,000 per litre, and that's just the water that they put in the water cooler. That's your taxes at work. Smiling now?
Bottom line - the Uppercut needs the higher Stinger speed to expand. Good to see you were using genuine FBI ballistic water for the tests, not that cheap clear jello everyone else uses. Thanks for another great video.
@@bower31 Yes, it was a mistake given its stated purpose and speed requirements for expansion. They should have tested the ammo before they released it for sale.
I believe the thick copper jacket requires more pressure to force into the lands and grooves and down the bore. So they hit the pressure limits of the little rimfire cartridge before they could get velocities to Stinger levels. Even though it's the same weight bullet, the Stinger only has a Copper wash coating so it is much softer and easier to push down the bore. Pressure is the limiting factor of the Uppercuts velocity.
@@buffalosoutdoors my suggestion would be to get rid of that jacketed bullet and use the Stinger bullet with a bigger hole for more consistent expansion.
You are absolutely right about CCI (6:04) not designing Uppercut ammo to be fired from a rifle. Here is a direct description of the Uppercut ammo from CCI themselves - "Uppercut’s jacketed hollow point bullet features nose skiving that initiates full and reliable expansion through semi-automatic handguns with 2.5- to 4-inch barrels, while retaining the weight needed to hit critical penetration depths." We see here that CCI states it's meant to be fired from a 2.5 to 4 inch barrel. Whatever results the rounds had out of the rifle still don't change the fact that these are fairly expensive .22lr rounds that are supposed to give you these rifle results out of a pistol. They are not doing it out of a pistol and they are not cheap. There are plenty of cheaper rounds that will give you the same, or better results out of a handgun.
CCI can remedy this by making the bullets a little more fragile, of they can do so without a ground-up redesign. You're a gentleman for adding to your last video.
Thank you! I was one of those that asked for a test from a rifle. I appreciate your work. CCI needs to relable the uppercut as a pest control round. It looks like it would work well on farm pests.
I can't remember who all I replied to on that first video. If you was one of them I hope I didn't sound rude. I was just really done with this ammo. I didn't want to shoot it from a rifle. It was only after the comments kept coming in and I slept on it a night or two that I realized that you guys don't ask me for much and the least I could do was shoot those last rounds in that gel block from a rifle for you. Thank you all. I appreciate each and every one of you.
Question is however, does it work SO much better than their other offerings doing ANYTHING the other offerings have been doing for decades? Doubt it. Federal Punch on the other hand, compare it to any other 22LR of any other grade and speed, and it handily out-penetrates them all.. that's some innovation, unlike other stuff. If .22LR is going to be used in self defense (not a recommendation I would make, go with .32 S&W Long for low recoil), then penetration is the most important thing you could ask it to do, next would be hemorrhaging. If it doesn't reach where it needs to reach, it's worthless for this use. If it handily reaches where its supposed to reach, other aspects can be worked on. The penetration depth of the Uppercut fails in both, whether short or long barrel. It didn't meet ANY of the advertised benefits or attributes (expansion from short barrel, penetration and expansion quality, or enough penetration to be considered defensive). It's just an expensive, terribly marketed fail. Grab a box of Blazers if you want to plink cans.
@buffalosoutdoors Not rude at all. A bit angry with CCI perhaps, but I share that with you. I am happy for them to continue trying to innovate, but they need to be honest as well. If it needs to be shot out of a rifle to work, they should have said so.
@@exothermal.sprocketGood question, but for those that already have some of this stuff they now know how to make it work on varmints...in which case it looks quite capable for 1 shot eliminations.
Your description of tap water as "ballistic tap water "is right up there with Mr. P. Harrell's description of some of his commenters, the 'what if brigade" ,
What an exciting little round! Despite all the drama and poor marketing, this round worked really well out of my rifles too. Almost wish CCI had just put them out there as a general use round.
That’s what they are. They need to change the labels and packaging. I wouldn’t be nearly as hard on them if they weren’t making claims that this ammo is not capable of, at least not a large percentage of the time.
You're welcome. If you're one of the ones I replied to on the other video, understand I was just disappointed in this ammo and really wanted to be done with it. It took a night or two of sleeping on it to make me realize that you guys had a valid reason to want to see it from a rifle length barrel.
Yo Buff, many many moons ago, I watched that AR7 video on whether it would float or not. It's been a fun ride watchin your channel grow. Good job sir! Stay safe and healthy
I can't believe you remember that video! If I recall that one didn't get many views. My review of that little rifle is one of my most popular videos still to this day though. Thanks for mentioning that classic!
I can't find this stuff at any place! Glad to see they sent it out to the youtubers! It seems to expand as designed in gel blocks and water jugs. But, when it encounters a clothing barrier, it suddenly fails! (According to other tests I have seen on TH-cam!)
I hope you're not insinuating that they sent this ammo it out to me for review. Don't confuse me with the sponsored guys. I can't get it to expand in ANYTHING from a pistol. Thanks for stopping by!
I’m one of the “rifle request” commenters. LOL I totally get your reason for not doing so but totally appreciate that you DID! It’s awesome that you not only RESPOND to viewer comments but you actually listen and consider the requests!
The first test I saw on these was a good one. They expanded well. But all the rest of the test I have seen have been like the pistol test you had. I will not buy them to carry. Thanks for your hard work. 😀😀
Hi Buffalo, well round two of the test proves the FBI it using the wrong ballistic water in there testing! Thanks for the retest you did everything right in the first video. It's states for a four inch barrel. Thanks for all your hard work and time Sir.
Thanks for the comment. I did this one for the people in the comments. Plus I had those 7 rounds left that I had no use for so I got rid of them and made a video at the same time!
I think it was Tools&targets that just made a video about these and he found that 1 inch of barrel made all the difference between expanding and non-expanding and they hit a thousand feet per second from a 4 inch barrel he also found that from a rifle barrel they tend to break apart
So TnT saw them fragment and Buffalo saw them not fragment. There's no consistency among tests. One important aspect of the scientific method is that the results should be reproducible. In the case of Uppercuts it's all over the map. You might be OK with impugnimg 22plinkster's ethics but personal attacks are the last resort of people who have nothing relevant to say. Reality is not by consensus. If everyone says the sky is green it doesn't make the sky green. I'd like to know how many people publishing their results on YT have actually tried to contact CCI if their field testing and CCI's claims didn't match up and what the response was.
I love the honest content, and how CCI got their pictures without being honest making the consumer think it was from a hand gun barrel instead of a rifle length barrel to work as advertised. Thank You.
CCI Deserve an UPPERCUT for false advertisement. They clearly don't perform as advertised . Great work, Buffalo shows the other reviewers are not as honest as you.😊
Thank you. I just call it like I see it. I can't guarantee I just didn't get a bad lot of this ammunition; I just think that would be highly unlikely since this stuff hasn't been in production very long. I appreciate your comment!
Thanks for showing what it takes to get them to work. I know you said no more suggestions, but just maybe someone with influence, or other ammo maker will try it. Put a ballistic "nosler" tip into the hollowpoint to improve ballistics and expansion.
You da man Mr. Buffalo, thanks for this info. CCI might want to rein in their marketing department a bit... And thanks for the reminder at the end, glad you always do that sir
Thanks for doing the follow up or second video on the CCI uppercut. Based on what I saw. I don’t think I’ll be buying any for my CCW P17. Thanks again for the video.
No one said that CCI didn't test these out in one of those Heritage Rough Rider revolvers with the 16" barrel. Glad to see that you went back and blasted some ballistic water and put them through a barrel length that would cause expansion. And these should probably be tested in whatever semi auto rifle you may decide to shoot them out of to make sure they cycle. I would play it safe and use a lever action, pump, or bolt action.
Well done! After seeing the lack of expansion from the pistol, I had a feeling that they'd expand after being fired from a longer barrel. I don't know that I can recall seeing .22lr expand well at all from a pistol - even though they say that's what this was made to do.
Thank you for going the extra mile, Buffalo. Your original video did what you set out to do, prove or (in this case) disprove the claim by CCI that the Uppercut is a defensive round. Obviously they failed miserably at that goal, but you succeeded with empirical proof. I would like to see CCI remarket these rounds as small game loads for use in carbines and rifles. Those final five looked exactly the way an expanding hunting hollowpoint should function.
Buckeye Ballistics tested it in the brown gel and the bullets opened up like flowers. The 2 gels are very different. So, the Uppercut does do what they are meant for. Buckeye Ballistics.
Those results are about what I would expect - no expansion at all from a handgun and premium expansion when fired from a rifle. It's a pretty big ask to expect just about any handgun round to expand at around 800 fps - some will, most won't, in my experience. Add another 150-200 fps to that and they start to perform as designed. Nice video. Cheers.
Nice to see a new video from you. I don't get notifications for your videos, usually. As far as 22's go, I don't really see the point in hollowpoints, even if they're jacketed. The spread isn't enough to justify the loss in penetration. I like 22's for the midrange accuracy and speed. I have some really old boxes of CCI Stingers and I recently found them. I took them out to shoot, and the bullets came apart from the casings very easily. Sometimes when I charged the rifle it would separate the bullet and casing. I got a few bullets stuck in the chamber, back-to-back, so I had to stop. They had a bit of white powder on them, which is probably some kind of oxidation.
Appreciate your candid testing videos. Hard to imagine CCI released this ammo without proper proving. I see no advantage over Punch, Stinger, or MiniMags.
I enjoyed the video. I think that the air viscosity in the South must be different than in New England. Thicker air makes southeners talk slower. The air in new Boston and New York is less viscous and allows people to talk faster. If you did the same test there, then the bullet would fly faster in the low viscosity air and would be able to expand. Thanks for your videos. I enjoy your content. Thanks to your wife too. I am sure she plays a big part that we don't see.
The word on the street is that CCI is coming out with the "Cross", the "Jab" and a secret round called the "Kidney Punch". They don't know if the Kidney Punch will be legal so keep that under your hat. Lol. Hey Buffalo, thanks for coming out in the cold for some .22 rounds. It was probably the boys that live in a warm climate that kept requesting the video. It's like football players that want to practice more, they're usually quarterbacks and kickers..... Years ago, "self defense" and .22LR used in the same sentence was considered an Oxymoron. Just kidding don't want to "offend" anyone. Don't be wasting that Ballistic Tap Water Buffalo, lol. You are absolutely right about CCI (6:04) not designing Uppercut ammo to be fired from a rifle. Here is a direct description of the Uppercut amp from CCI themselves - "Uppercut’s jacketed hollow point bullet features nose skiving that initiates full and reliable expansion through semi-automatic handguns with 2.5- to 4-inch barrels, while retaining the weight needed to hit critical penetration depths." We see here that CCI states it's meant to be fired from a 2.5 to 4 inch barrel.
This is similar to what happened with 9mm JHP in PCCs. The 9mm JHP designs are for a given velocity from a pistol. If you push them too fast they prematurely expand and it kills penetration. In this case the extra velocity from the rifle put it in the Goldilocks zone and it expanded. Unfortunately it killed penetration. 9" in clear gel is a non-starter. One thing I noticed is that for both the 9mm and .22 the extra barrel length of the rifle added about 200+ fps. That's a good illustration of how hard it is to design ammo. If 200 fps totally changes the behavior of the round I don't envy the guy who has to design it. I think RNFP needs a second look. It has mechanics similar to the expensive non-expanding stuff like Lehigh's defender and penetrators. The meplat shunts tissue and fluid radially to cut a bigger wound channel like the Lehigh bullets and they're much cheaper. Unfortunately no one seems to have any interest in doing a comparison. Federal makes a 130 gr 9mm for PCCs. It's the one with the total synthetic jacket, but it was designed for competition like 3-gun. I have some. It shoots fine from both a CX4 and a Sub 2000 but I can't find any gel testing. It's also not a JHP. It looks like a RNFP. Given the price point for the Federal TSJ and the heavy flat point bullet I'd love to see get testing. Maybe compare it to other designs like Lehigh's. If anyone knows of a channel that has this please let me know.
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@@buffalosoutdoors 👍👍
In the first test you did everything right. You used the right gun the ammo was made for. You GOT the right velocity. The bullets seem to need to be going supersonic to function correctly and that isn't going to happen out of a pistol. If CCI wants to repair its reputation, they need to recall this stuff. It isn't plinking ammo, but expensive defense ammo that people are trusting their lives to.
40gr aguila interceptor hits 1130fps from my 4" Sig P322. Better option.
And hello from a long time subscriber and fellow gun tuber. :)
I can not agree any more, CCI should be ashamed
I think it was Tools&targets that just made a video about these and he found that 1 inch of barrel made all the difference between expanding and non-expanding and they hit a thousand feet per second from a 4 inch barrel he also found that from a rifle barrel they tend to break apart
Agree
One caveat
Continue production, change label to small game load?
Great for rifle , not great for original intended use.
Did someone load this in a Shot Shell? ...LOL Taofluugermister J/K Bud🤣
You are an honest down to earth patriotic man Buffalo. Would love to have you as a country neighbor.
And the truth will set you free. You just saved me a bunch of money.
It has a way of doing that doesn't it! Thanks Johnny!
When it failed in the pistol it peaked my curiosity about a rifle.
Defensive uses? Nothing better than the following so far:
Federal Punch
Aguila Interceptor 40gr, CCI Velocitor 40gr, or Winchester Super-X Hypervelocity 40gr, all rated above 1400 fps.
CCI Stinger (so long as your firearm utilizes a standard "sporter" chamber).
I'll Stick with CCI Stingers for my rifle, and Punch for my pistol. Thanks for all you do.
Stingers and Punch are my go to as well. What Pistol are you using? I'm Using The TX22 Compact.
Just so you know, Aguila super maximum can be had in a 30 grain solid, is faster and slightly heavier than Federal punch, and about 30% less money.
Aguila Interceptor can also be had in a solid, and is even more powerful and heavier (40gr) than both of them (1130fps in my 4" Sig P322)
Scott, if you have a 16" rifle, Aguila interceptor 40gr (solid or HP) will clock in at 1400-1450fps, and has the same muzzle energy as a 380 auto from a 3.25" pistol. It is significantly hotter and deeper penetrating than Stinger in my tests.
I concur , been useing stingers for hunting for years , mini mags for plinking etc . CCI exclusive !
So long as you're not running anything but a standard "sporter" chamber, the Stingers work fine. Tighten that up to Bentz or Match grade, not working anymore.
CCI isn’t sending you a Christmas card this year lol 😂
Even if they did it would probably arrive late and wouldn’t open up.
@@buffalosoutdoors hahaha that’s hilarious
@@buffalosoutdoorsthis has no business being that funny 🤣😭
@@buffalosoutdoorsI was already digging the video, but you just earned a subscription with that comment.
Well played.
@@buffalosoutdoors LMAO.... now THAT is hillarious.... and most likely true!
"The same water the FBI uses." 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Good thing he did not use Walmart water like some of the other channels who go el cheapo.
If the FBI uses this water, it would be dirty and always go to the left.
The FBI probably uses "diet" water.
Should have used vegan water.@@tacocin
Oh, you laugh. Well, this will wipe the smile off your face. The water that Buffalo was using wasn't FBI certified. It takes thousands of hours of research and analysis in government laboratories to ensure that FBI water is of a consistent quality and specific gravity. It costs about $1,000 per litre, and that's just the water that they put in the water cooler.
That's your taxes at work. Smiling now?
"Ballistic Tap Water" - you got my upvote lol. Already subscribed. :)
Love your honesty, integrity and passion for open transparency Buffalo!
THank you!
It is nice to know that there are still some good honest people in this country. Buffalo is the real deal.
Thank you for that. I just call it like I see it. I might get it wrong sometimes, but I won't mislead anyone intentionally!
Shouldn't be anymore questions. Thanks for the follow-up 👍🏻
Bottom line - the Uppercut needs the higher Stinger speed to expand. Good to see you were using genuine FBI ballistic water for the tests, not that cheap clear jello everyone else uses. Thanks for another great video.
I genuinely do not understand why they so drastically underloaded it
@@bower31 Yes, it was a mistake given its stated purpose and speed requirements for expansion. They should have tested the ammo before they released it for sale.
I believe the thick copper jacket requires more pressure to force into the lands and grooves and down the bore. So they hit the pressure limits of the little rimfire cartridge before they could get velocities to Stinger levels. Even though it's the same weight bullet, the Stinger only has a Copper wash coating so it is much softer and easier to push down the bore. Pressure is the limiting factor of the Uppercuts velocity.
@@buffalosoutdoors my suggestion would be to get rid of that jacketed bullet and use the Stinger bullet with a bigger hole for more consistent expansion.
You are absolutely right about CCI (6:04) not designing Uppercut ammo to be fired from a rifle. Here is a direct description of the Uppercut ammo from CCI themselves - "Uppercut’s jacketed hollow point bullet features nose skiving that initiates full and reliable expansion through
semi-automatic handguns with 2.5- to 4-inch barrels, while retaining the weight needed to hit critical penetration depths."
We see here that CCI states it's meant to be fired from a 2.5 to 4 inch barrel.
Whatever results the rounds had out of the rifle still don't change the fact that these are fairly expensive .22lr rounds that are supposed to give you these rifle results out of a pistol. They are not doing it out of a pistol and they are not cheap. There are plenty of cheaper rounds that will give you the same, or better results out of a handgun.
100%
Correct
You are right sir, you are the second tester i've seen that got the same results. Good results from a rifle. No results from a handgun.
Apparently unless it was TnT's rifle. Then they fragment.
You went above and beyond brother. Thanks for the content
I appreciate honesty much more than someone who is influenced by sponsors. Another great video!
CCI can remedy this by making the bullets a little more fragile, of they can do so without a ground-up redesign. You're a gentleman for adding to your last video.
Thanks Captain Obvious
Great tests and that's why i watch your channel, i know I'm getting an honest review. Keep it up buffalo.
I'll always be honest with you'ins and call it like I see it. I might be wrong sometimes!! But it will not be intentional!
Thank you! I was one of those that asked for a test from a rifle. I appreciate your work. CCI needs to relable the uppercut as a pest control round. It looks like it would work well on farm pests.
I can't remember who all I replied to on that first video. If you was one of them I hope I didn't sound rude. I was just really done with this ammo. I didn't want to shoot it from a rifle. It was only after the comments kept coming in and I slept on it a night or two that I realized that you guys don't ask me for much and the least I could do was shoot those last rounds in that gel block from a rifle for you. Thank you all. I appreciate each and every one of you.
Question is however, does it work SO much better than their other offerings doing ANYTHING the other offerings have been doing for decades? Doubt it.
Federal Punch on the other hand, compare it to any other 22LR of any other grade and speed, and it handily out-penetrates them all.. that's some innovation, unlike other stuff. If .22LR is going to be used in self defense (not a recommendation I would make, go with .32 S&W Long for low recoil), then penetration is the most important thing you could ask it to do, next would be hemorrhaging. If it doesn't reach where it needs to reach, it's worthless for this use. If it handily reaches where its supposed to reach, other aspects can be worked on. The penetration depth of the Uppercut fails in both, whether short or long barrel. It didn't meet ANY of the advertised benefits or attributes (expansion from short barrel, penetration and expansion quality, or enough penetration to be considered defensive). It's just an expensive, terribly marketed fail. Grab a box of Blazers if you want to plink cans.
@buffalosoutdoors Not rude at all. A bit angry with CCI perhaps, but I share that with you. I am happy for them to continue trying to innovate, but they need to be honest as well. If it needs to be shot out of a rifle to work, they should have said so.
@@exothermal.sprocketGood question, but for those that already have some of this stuff they now know how to make it work on varmints...in which case it looks quite capable for 1 shot eliminations.
@@Bush63Master Certainly. If your requirements aren't 12-16" of ballistics gel with good expansion, it'll work for critters just fine.
Great follow up video. Thanks for doing it.
Your description of tap water as "ballistic tap water "is right up there with Mr. P. Harrell's description of some of his commenters, the 'what if brigade"
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You're in that cold, snow, to show me cci uppercuts are good from a rifle, don't expand from pistol. Fantastic, thank you.
What an exciting little round! Despite all the drama and poor marketing, this round worked really well out of my rifles too. Almost wish CCI had just put them out there as a general use round.
That’s what they are. They need to change the labels and packaging. I wouldn’t be nearly as hard on them if they weren’t making claims that this ammo is not capable of, at least not a large percentage of the time.
Thanks Buffalo!! I really wanted to see this round shot from longer barrels into gel. Appreciate you doing that for us.
You're welcome. If you're one of the ones I replied to on the other video, understand I was just disappointed in this ammo and really wanted to be done with it. It took a night or two of sleeping on it to make me realize that you guys had a valid reason to want to see it from a rifle length barrel.
Honestly if advertising was honest. It’s Rifle ammunition!
As always we trust the buffalo and video tells the story.
Yo Buff, many many moons ago, I watched that AR7 video on whether it would float or not. It's been a fun ride watchin your channel grow. Good job sir! Stay safe and healthy
I can't believe you remember that video! If I recall that one didn't get many views. My review of that little rifle is one of my most popular videos still to this day though. Thanks for mentioning that classic!
Thanks for going above and beyond the call of duty!!!
Thanks for going out in that yucky weather. We feel special!
I can't find this stuff at any place! Glad to see they sent it out to the youtubers! It seems to expand as designed in gel blocks and water jugs. But, when it encounters a clothing barrier, it suddenly fails! (According to other tests I have seen on TH-cam!)
I hope you're not insinuating that they sent this ammo it out to me for review. Don't confuse me with the sponsored guys. I can't get it to expand in ANYTHING from a pistol. Thanks for stopping by!
Wrong
Did you even try to watch this whole video?
I’m one of the “rifle request” commenters. LOL I totally get your reason for not doing so but totally appreciate that you DID!
It’s awesome that you not only RESPOND to viewer comments but you actually listen and consider the requests!
Hello Buffalo! Great video. I’m sure that was the same ballistic water that the FBI uses. 😂😂
Thanks for the update!
You're welcome!
👍😊 thank you for your time.
Thank you. What an underwhelming round. God Bless, stay safe and warm.
You're welcome. God Bless!
The first test I saw on these was a good one. They expanded well. But all the rest of the test I have seen have been like the pistol test you had. I will not buy them to carry. Thanks for your hard work. 😀😀
Thank you that was cool and your point is well taken I’ll stick to what I’ve been using
And thank you for the comment!
I remember the old ballistic beer table you used to use. Made me cry like a thirsty little girl every time.
Can't argue with that. Well done Sir.
Thanks Buffalo! Very much appreciate you doing these tests.
Thanks Buffalo. It seems that 22 lr has capacity enough that CCI could load these to useful levels.
*has enough capacity
Hi Buffalo, well round two of the test proves the FBI it using the wrong ballistic water in there testing! Thanks for the retest you did everything right in the first video. It's states for a four inch barrel. Thanks for all your hard work and time Sir.
Thanks for the comment. I did this one for the people in the comments. Plus I had those 7 rounds left that I had no use for so I got rid of them and made a video at the same time!
Thanks for keeping it honest!
I think it was Tools&targets that just made a video about these and he found that 1 inch of barrel made all the difference between expanding and non-expanding and they hit a thousand feet per second from a 4 inch barrel he also found that from a rifle barrel they tend to break apart
So TnT saw them fragment and Buffalo saw them not fragment.
There's no consistency among tests.
One important aspect of the scientific method is that the results should be reproducible.
In the case of Uppercuts it's all over the map.
You might be OK with impugnimg 22plinkster's ethics but personal attacks are the last resort of people who have nothing relevant to say.
Reality is not by consensus. If everyone says the sky is green it doesn't make the sky green.
I'd like to know how many people publishing their results on YT have actually tried to contact CCI if their field testing and CCI's claims didn't match up and what the response was.
Thank you for doing this your first video on this was accurate and true. I will not buy this product unless they fix it
You've given it every chance. Also, here's an algorithm offering
Thank you!
I love the honest content, and how CCI got their pictures without being honest making the consumer think it was from a hand gun barrel instead of a rifle length barrel to work as advertised. Thank You.
Another great video. Love your humble, honest approach. It resonates well here in Southern Indiana.
Thank you for the extra effort.
Thanks for testing these again. Good info for those of use interested in self defense rounds. Stay safe out there, Buffalo! 🤘😎
Thanks OG! Brother I appreciate all you do!
Buffalo's the best man, my favorite guntuber
Excellent video. Thanks.
CCI Deserve an UPPERCUT for false advertisement. They clearly don't perform as advertised . Great work, Buffalo shows the other reviewers are not as honest as you.😊
Thank you. I just call it like I see it. I can't guarantee I just didn't get a bad lot of this ammunition; I just think that would be highly unlikely since this stuff hasn't been in production very long. I appreciate your comment!
Kudos for answering your watchers questions/ critiques.
Thanks for showing what it takes to get them to work. I know you said no more suggestions, but just maybe someone with influence, or other ammo maker will try it. Put a ballistic "nosler" tip into the hollowpoint to improve ballistics and expansion.
Thanks for sharing your unbiased reviews.
You da man Mr. Buffalo, thanks for this info. CCI might want to rein in their marketing department a bit... And thanks for the reminder at the end, glad you always do that sir
👍🐿👍thank you for the video.
Glad you enjoyed it! 🐿️
I look forward to all your videos. Thanks for excellent content.
I appreciate that!
Good honest review, thank you Mr Buffalo!
You're welcome!
Just when I thought I was out...
THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!!❤❤😂
Ballistic tap water, heck yeah! Those expanded really nice through the rifle.
Your new expensive squirrel round! Thanks for going the extra mile!
Great video as always!!👏👏👏👏
Great job! This is exactly what I wanted to see with these!
An idea for a series... Buffalo tests Buffalo Bore. Lots of jello opportunities there.
Send him some
Thanks for doing the follow up or second video on the CCI uppercut. Based on what I saw. I don’t think I’ll be buying any for my CCW P17. Thanks again for the video.
Thanks for the honest review. Do you have a permit to use FBI water? Agents will be at your door rhis afternoon, LOL.
..I've been seriously impressed with your doube action shooting skills....
No one said that CCI didn't test these out in one of those Heritage Rough Rider revolvers with the 16" barrel. Glad to see that you went back and blasted some ballistic water and put them through a barrel length that would cause expansion. And these should probably be tested in whatever semi auto rifle you may decide to shoot them out of to make sure they cycle. I would play it safe and use a lever action, pump, or bolt action.
Sad thing is, my Heritage 16" RR shoots bullets at the same speed as my 6" RRs.
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I was going to say the same thing. The pistol they mean is one with a 6 to 10" barrel like a Ruger charger .
Great channel, keep up the honest content. You have a very trusting way about you.
Well done! After seeing the lack of expansion from the pistol, I had a feeling that they'd expand after being fired from a longer barrel. I don't know that I can recall seeing .22lr expand well at all from a pistol - even though they say that's what this was made to do.
Great Follow-up!
Thank you for going the extra mile, Buffalo. Your original video did what you set out to do, prove or (in this case) disprove the claim by CCI that the Uppercut is a defensive round. Obviously they failed miserably at that goal, but you succeeded with empirical proof. I would like to see CCI remarket these rounds as small game loads for use in carbines and rifles. Those final five looked exactly the way an expanding hunting hollowpoint should function.
Have you seen 22 plinkster latest yt rebuttal test on these? April 24'
good vidio
Guide job, thanks for telling it Luke it is. You build trust with your viewers. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for that!
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Thank you for trying it in a rifle, very informative.
Federal punch for the win! Thank God that this stuff was sold out everywhere or I would have bought some
thank you, Buffalo for your time and efforts in making these nice videos, best from Canada
Glad you like them!
Thanks for putting in that effort.
Welcome!
Buckeye Ballistics tested it in the brown gel and the bullets opened up like flowers. The 2 gels are very different. So, the Uppercut does do what they are meant for.
Buckeye Ballistics.
Those results are about what I would expect - no expansion at all from a handgun and premium expansion when fired from a rifle. It's a pretty big ask to expect just about any handgun round to expand at around 800 fps - some will, most won't, in my experience. Add another 150-200 fps to that and they start to perform as designed. Nice video. Cheers.
Nice to see a new video from you. I don't get notifications for your videos, usually.
As far as 22's go, I don't really see the point in hollowpoints, even if they're jacketed. The spread isn't enough to justify the loss in penetration. I like 22's for the midrange accuracy and speed. I have some really old boxes of CCI Stingers and I recently found them. I took them out to shoot, and the bullets came apart from the casings very easily. Sometimes when I charged the rifle it would separate the bullet and casing. I got a few bullets stuck in the chamber, back-to-back, so I had to stop. They had a bit of white powder on them, which is probably some kind of oxidation.
I see there wasn't much expansion, though. Reminds me of the Buffalo Bore 380's.
👍👍Thanks Buffalo, appreciate the test but on the water test I think you’re supposed to use filtered ballistic water.😊😊
Like the FBI uses, from Lake Quantico.
Buffalo, keep on keeping on my friend. 👍
Thank you!
Appreciate your candid testing videos. Hard to imagine CCI released this ammo without proper proving. I see no advantage over Punch, Stinger, or MiniMags.
Good video. Thanks for answering the questions.
When CCI did their testing I can only assume they used hard water to get expansion 😂
Great video again Buff, really enjoyed it!!
Yes yes !
you saved me a lot of money,hype is all it is.
👍 Excellent Back to the drawing board CCI
Ballistic tap water...that's fantastic 👏
Thank you! Cheers!
Dang, should call it the the CCI Upsetter
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Thank you Buffalo. Saving me money. Nicely said awesome review
I enjoyed the video. I think that the air viscosity in the South must be different than in New England. Thicker air makes southeners talk slower. The air in new Boston and New York is less viscous and allows people to talk faster.
If you did the same test there, then the bullet would fly faster in the low viscosity air and would be able to expand.
Thanks for your videos. I enjoy your content. Thanks to your wife too. I am sure she plays a big part that we don't see.
Exceptionally well done thank you
Good video sir. Always appreciate your content
The word on the street is that CCI is coming out with the "Cross", the "Jab" and a secret round called the "Kidney Punch". They don't know if the Kidney Punch will be legal so keep that under your hat. Lol. Hey Buffalo, thanks for coming out in the cold for some .22 rounds. It was probably the boys that live in a warm climate that kept requesting the video. It's like football players that want to practice more, they're usually quarterbacks and kickers..... Years ago, "self defense" and .22LR used in the same sentence was considered an Oxymoron. Just kidding don't want to "offend" anyone. Don't be wasting that Ballistic Tap Water Buffalo, lol.
You are absolutely right about CCI (6:04) not designing Uppercut ammo to be fired from a rifle. Here is a direct description of the Uppercut amp from CCI themselves - "Uppercut’s jacketed hollow point bullet features nose skiving that initiates full and reliable expansion through semi-automatic handguns with 2.5- to 4-inch barrels, while retaining the weight needed to hit critical penetration depths."
We see here that CCI states it's meant to be fired from a 2.5 to 4 inch barrel.
This is similar to what happened with 9mm JHP in PCCs. The 9mm JHP designs are for a given velocity from a pistol. If you push them too fast they prematurely expand and it kills penetration.
In this case the extra velocity from the rifle put it in the Goldilocks zone and it expanded. Unfortunately it killed penetration. 9" in clear gel is a non-starter.
One thing I noticed is that for both the 9mm and .22 the extra barrel length of the rifle added about 200+ fps. That's a good illustration of how hard it is to design ammo. If 200 fps totally changes the behavior of the round I don't envy the guy who has to design it.
I think RNFP needs a second look. It has mechanics similar to the expensive non-expanding stuff like Lehigh's defender and penetrators. The meplat shunts tissue and fluid radially to cut a bigger wound channel like the Lehigh bullets and they're much cheaper.
Unfortunately no one seems to have any interest in doing a comparison. Federal makes a 130 gr 9mm for PCCs. It's the one with the total synthetic jacket, but it was designed for competition like 3-gun. I have some. It shoots fine from both a CX4 and a Sub 2000 but I can't find any gel testing. It's also not a JHP. It looks like a RNFP.
Given the price point for the Federal TSJ and the heavy flat point bullet I'd love to see get testing. Maybe compare it to other designs like Lehigh's.
If anyone knows of a channel that has this please let me know.
Addendum: Punch is a RNFP. I think these videos show how less finicky the RNFP can be.
Great video as always 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you!