Regarding EWS: I think Alice was at the orgy mansion and she knew and was possibly groomed by the man she danced with at the "normal" party. The start of their conversation seemed like a continuation rather than a first meeting. Also, the way she put her drink on the counter behind her seemed like a signal that it was OK to talk since Bill was preoccupied with the models. She was tempted by the man's proposition but decided to remind him she was married. Zeigler alluded to the fact that Alice is involved when he told Bill, "If I named names you wouldn't sleep well." Maybe because one of the names sleeps in his bed every night. I read a comment on Reddit where a film scholar claimed to have seen the so-called missing footage and that he feels like he is being watched. Could be fan fiction but the guy says Helena is handed to the men in the toy shop and taken to the mansion. That jibes with the convo where Cruise is exhausted and Alice says they must go as planned because "We promised her." There's an innocent interpretation of that line and an evil one. Alice also stated early on she was willing to give up everything, including Helena, to sate her desires. That was part of what upset Bill. I read a comment that suggested Alice had an urgency to have sex immediately because she was pregnant with Helena's replacement and needed everything to line up for Bill. That's hinted at with the pregnant painting and the baby carriage symbolism. Perhaps Helena isn't Bill's either. Supposedly Helena becomes part of a ritual where she is sacrificed and guests revealed as powerful leaders drink her blood. Red Cloak removes his mask and replaces it with the girls face. This real face/mask concept is hinted at in the final costume shop scene where the owner's daughter's make up looks similar to a mask. One other thing I noticed is this is the only movie where Cruise is allowed to look short. Usually that is disguised with camera angles, etc. I think Kubrick wanted to show how Bill wasn't as big a deal as he thought he was. The models were taller than Bill. The small man concept goes with Bill's emasculation by Alice, the Skull & Bones Yale guys and at the orgy after he gets caught. As I said, could be interesting fan fiction but it does make sense and is something to think about. I recently read a comment where, after Kubrick handed over his edit, he claims at one point he paced back and forth outside the screening while thinking, "They're going to kill me."
Alice used to be Ziegler's high priestess. The opening shot of the film mimics the high priestess tarot card with it's two Masonic pillars B & J. Alice isn't wearing a wedding ring. She's getting undressed. She's wearing shoes very similar to the magic circle ladies. After the title card, we see the same room but with Bill in it and filled with his things but he's getting dressed - to go to Zeigler's party. The suggestion is that the first clip of Alice happened before she was married. Was she coming back from a Ziegler party? Mind control (MK Ultra) is a factor in the story, Alice doesn't remember her past until she smokes the joint. Several alleged MKU Monarch sex slaves have mentioned that weed is the one drug they were not allowed to consume - because it can resurface the suppressed memories - which is exactly what happens to Alice. So yeah - everyone at Ziegler's Christmas party - maybe including Nick - probably knew who she was. They were just pretending they didn't. Sandor invites Alice upstairs to the statue gallery to have sex. What does Alice say she used to do for a living? She managed a "gallery." Nick may have been doing his old friend a solid to clue him in to what he had gotten involved with. You can't just tell your old buddy that his wife used to be a high end hooker. He's only going to believe it if he sees it for himself - which he never quite does. Helena isn't Bill's daughter - she's Carl's. The actor Kubrick cast as Carl was styled to match Cruise, shares his birth date, and stole Nicole away from Tom in another film - Far and Away. Marion knows what Carl did, which is why she pities Bill and wants to run away with him now that her evil father is dead (compare the bed he dies in to Bowman's bed at the end of 2001 - it's an inversion). So Helena belongs to the bloodline, and at the end of the film, Alice knows it, but she also knows she can't say anything or do anything about it. It's dark. Also, at the Christmas party, Kubrick visually references the Clintons by having Mrs. Ziegler dressed similar to a couple of Bill and Hillary Christmas tree photos, he shows us a white haired man with dark eyebrows who, in a sudden 'continuity error', goes from dancing with one woman behind Alice to suddenly walking with another woman in a navy outfit with brass buttons and a haircut like Maxwell. Nuala's last name is Windsor. So is Prince Andrew's and the rest of his family - who are also Masons, like Ziegler is implied to be by some of the symbolism in his bathroom - particularly the towels that look like masonic aprons. Kubrick was pointing the finger at a specific group of people, and twenty years later, we now know who they are. St. Helena is the island where Napoleon lived out his final days after his defeat at Waterloo. Kubrick did extensive research on Napoleon for a film he never made. So I read her name as part of the short man jokes that Kubrick points not just at Bill, but also personally at Tom. Scientology had separated Kubrick's daughter from him not long before Eyes Wide Shut went into production. The reason all of those kids are wearing Yale gear is to reference a novel Tom Cruise appears in as Tom Cruise - American Psycho. So here, Kubrick is applying the Paul Allen "Yale thing" joke to Tom and implying that he (not Bill) is into doing lots of coke and having lots of gay sex. PT Anderson made a similar joke at Tom's expense in his next film Magnolia. He visited the Eyes Wide Shut set (something even Spielberg never did) to offer Cruise that role and meet with Kubrick. The joke in Magnolia starts with Thus Spake Zarathustra - the opening theme to 2001.
@@qwz180 this is some great 👍 stuff! 2 questions. Is the gentleman with Maxwell a reference to Epstein and do the Yale guys also represent the Skull & Bones secret society? And I guess the 2 tennis rackets we see in the opening shot of Nicole and then Ziegler at the party telling Bill about how whatever he did helped him with his tennis serve also connects Alice and Ziegler early on.
@@Bostonjohn64 Thanks. I believe 100% he represents Epstein and when Alice leaves Bill she appears to be walking away with him. I hadn’t thought about the Skull & Bones connection but it’s certainly possible, and yeah - the tennis thing. That’s right. Almost certainly that’s Kubrick creating another subtle hint. Damn this film is dark. If you look at the high priestess tarot card, the emperor, and the hanged man, you’ll see symbols associated with Alice, Victor, and Bill
Hey man...this is one of the best Kubrick analysis videos I have seen. These are my three favorite Kubrick films (and three of my all-time favorite films). I can't say enough. Your analysis is as perfect as your delivery. Just a fantastic video. Great job.
Kubrick's color code matches the color coding of The Wizard of Oz. This is very evident in the Room 237 bathroom. Wendy Torrance suggest "Windy Torrents" and both King and Kubrick hit the Wizard of Oz symbolism heavily.
Great 👍 analysis. Big Kubrick fan and I learned some very interesting insights thank you. Even just those 1st words spoken by Cruise and Kidman in EWS I didn’t pick up on. Great catch!
This video made me subscribe! So much wonderful insight, always had a hard time understanding the mind of Kubrick, might have to give Eyes Wide another shot never got past the first 30 mins cause it was so eerie 😅 i guess this is what the 2 am loop hole gets you… always grateful 🙏🏽
Great analysis. Just subscribed. After your analysis on eyes wide shut, when Kidman character was talking about fantasy with the older man. Now I’m thinking now it already happened but happened long ago when was a minor. Shes been groomed at a young age and puts the 2 tennis racket symbols reference.
This creator knows film theory and has excellent ideas about themes regarding these three Stanley Kubrick films. Where does the term ‘liberal’ apply? Weird comment.
@@ThinkForYourself1972 All that "White" people and "Native American" crap. The people who decry what was done in the formation of America don't mind reaping the benefits of it.
Regarding EWS: I think Alice was at the orgy mansion and she knew and was possibly groomed by the man she danced with at the "normal" party. The start of their conversation seemed like a continuation rather than a first meeting. Also, the way she put her drink on the counter behind her seemed like a signal that it was OK to talk since Bill was preoccupied with the models. She was tempted by the man's proposition but decided to remind him she was married.
Zeigler alluded to the fact that Alice is involved when he told Bill, "If I named names you wouldn't sleep well." Maybe because one of the names sleeps in his bed every night.
I read a comment on Reddit where a film scholar claimed to have seen the so-called missing footage and that he feels like he is being watched.
Could be fan fiction but the guy says Helena is handed to the men in the toy shop and taken to the mansion. That jibes with the convo where Cruise is exhausted and Alice says they must go as planned because "We promised her." There's an innocent interpretation of that line and an evil one. Alice also stated early on she was willing to give up everything, including Helena, to sate her desires. That was part of what upset Bill.
I read a comment that suggested Alice had an urgency to have sex immediately because she was pregnant with Helena's replacement and needed everything to line up for Bill. That's hinted at with the pregnant painting and the baby carriage symbolism. Perhaps Helena isn't Bill's either.
Supposedly Helena becomes part of a ritual where she is sacrificed and guests revealed as powerful leaders drink her blood. Red Cloak removes his mask and replaces it with the girls face. This real face/mask concept is hinted at in the final costume shop scene where the owner's daughter's make up looks similar to a mask.
One other thing I noticed is this is the only movie where Cruise is allowed to look short. Usually that is disguised with camera angles, etc. I think Kubrick wanted to show how Bill wasn't as big a deal as he thought he was. The models were taller than Bill. The small man concept goes with Bill's emasculation by Alice, the Skull & Bones Yale guys and at the orgy after he gets caught.
As I said, could be interesting fan fiction but it does make sense and is something to think about. I recently read a comment where, after Kubrick handed over his edit, he claims at one point he paced back and forth outside the screening while thinking, "They're going to kill me."
Very interesting stuff 👍. That “we promised her” line definitely takes on a whole new meaning to me and fits perfectly with the story
Alice used to be Ziegler's high priestess. The opening shot of the film mimics the high priestess tarot card with it's two Masonic pillars B & J. Alice isn't wearing a wedding ring. She's getting undressed. She's wearing shoes very similar to the magic circle ladies. After the title card, we see the same room but with Bill in it and filled with his things but he's getting dressed - to go to Zeigler's party. The suggestion is that the first clip of Alice happened before she was married. Was she coming back from a Ziegler party? Mind control (MK Ultra) is a factor in the story, Alice doesn't remember her past until she smokes the joint. Several alleged MKU Monarch sex slaves have mentioned that weed is the one drug they were not allowed to consume - because it can resurface the suppressed memories - which is exactly what happens to Alice.
So yeah - everyone at Ziegler's Christmas party - maybe including Nick - probably knew who she was. They were just pretending they didn't. Sandor invites Alice upstairs to the statue gallery to have sex. What does Alice say she used to do for a living? She managed a "gallery."
Nick may have been doing his old friend a solid to clue him in to what he had gotten involved with. You can't just tell your old buddy that his wife used to be a high end hooker. He's only going to believe it if he sees it for himself - which he never quite does. Helena isn't Bill's daughter - she's Carl's. The actor Kubrick cast as Carl was styled to match Cruise, shares his birth date, and stole Nicole away from Tom in another film - Far and Away. Marion knows what Carl did, which is why she pities Bill and wants to run away with him now that her evil father is dead (compare the bed he dies in to Bowman's bed at the end of 2001 - it's an inversion). So Helena belongs to the bloodline, and at the end of the film, Alice knows it, but she also knows she can't say anything or do anything about it. It's dark.
Also, at the Christmas party, Kubrick visually references the Clintons by having Mrs. Ziegler dressed similar to a couple of Bill and Hillary Christmas tree photos, he shows us a white haired man with dark eyebrows who, in a sudden 'continuity error', goes from dancing with one woman behind Alice to suddenly walking with another woman in a navy outfit with brass buttons and a haircut like Maxwell. Nuala's last name is Windsor. So is Prince Andrew's and the rest of his family - who are also Masons, like Ziegler is implied to be by some of the symbolism in his bathroom - particularly the towels that look like masonic aprons. Kubrick was pointing the finger at a specific group of people, and twenty years later, we now know who they are.
St. Helena is the island where Napoleon lived out his final days after his defeat at Waterloo. Kubrick did extensive research on Napoleon for a film he never made. So I read her name as part of the short man jokes that Kubrick points not just at Bill, but also personally at Tom. Scientology had separated Kubrick's daughter from him not long before Eyes Wide Shut went into production. The reason all of those kids are wearing Yale gear is to reference a novel Tom Cruise appears in as Tom Cruise - American Psycho. So here, Kubrick is applying the Paul Allen "Yale thing" joke to Tom and implying that he (not Bill) is into doing lots of coke and having lots of gay sex. PT Anderson made a similar joke at Tom's expense in his next film Magnolia. He visited the Eyes Wide Shut set (something even Spielberg never did) to offer Cruise that role and meet with Kubrick. The joke in Magnolia starts with Thus Spake Zarathustra - the opening theme to 2001.
@@qwz180 Wow. Very interesting info, most of which I haven't heard anyone mention in other posts. Thanks for your reply.
@@qwz180 this is some great 👍 stuff! 2 questions. Is the gentleman with Maxwell a reference to Epstein and do the Yale guys also represent the Skull & Bones secret society? And I guess the 2 tennis rackets we see in the opening shot of Nicole and then Ziegler at the party telling Bill about how whatever he did helped him with his tennis serve also connects Alice and Ziegler early on.
@@Bostonjohn64 Thanks. I believe 100% he represents Epstein and when Alice leaves Bill she appears to be walking away with him. I hadn’t thought about the Skull & Bones connection but it’s certainly possible, and yeah - the tennis thing. That’s right. Almost certainly that’s Kubrick creating another subtle hint. Damn this film is dark. If you look at the high priestess tarot card, the emperor, and the hanged man, you’ll see symbols associated with Alice, Victor, and Bill
Hey man...this is one of the best Kubrick analysis videos I have seen. These are my three favorite Kubrick films (and three of my all-time favorite films).
I can't say enough. Your analysis is as perfect as your delivery. Just a fantastic video. Great job.
@@papigringo5692 thanks man! Appreciate it
Excellent analysis and theories, gotta watch eyes wide shut now!
He said, the novel was warm the film was cold and is right
Kubrick's color code matches the color coding of The Wizard of Oz. This is very evident in the Room 237 bathroom. Wendy Torrance suggest "Windy Torrents" and both King and Kubrick hit the Wizard of Oz symbolism heavily.
His narrative is truly fascinating. Yet another great video, Kevin.
Brilliant breakdown of all 3 films. Keep up the good work!
Great 👍 analysis. Big Kubrick fan and I learned some very interesting insights thank you. Even just those 1st words spoken by Cruise and Kidman in EWS I didn’t pick up on. Great catch!
Nice job! The Shining is my favorite film of all time as well.
Great! Excellent video..🎉🎉🎉
This video made me subscribe! So much wonderful insight, always had a hard time understanding the mind of Kubrick, might have to give Eyes Wide another shot never got past the first 30 mins cause it was so eerie 😅 i guess this is what the 2 am loop hole gets you… always grateful 🙏🏽
I love 2am rabbit holes. Glad you enjoyed the vid!
19:08 timing you are spot on, death edit. But who actually had the artistic skill to finish the edit 🤔
Great analysis. Just subscribed.
After your analysis on eyes wide shut, when Kidman character was talking about fantasy with the older man. Now I’m thinking now it already happened but happened long ago when was a minor. Shes been groomed at a young age and puts the 2 tennis racket symbols reference.
Stephen King hated the Kubrick version, check out the tele series
Just figured out there is one. Been wanting to check it out for the past few weeks! Will be an interesting comparison
Liberal much? It shows.
America is liberal.
Can you explain?
This creator knows film theory and has excellent ideas about themes regarding these three Stanley Kubrick films.
Where does the term ‘liberal’ apply? Weird comment.
@@ThinkForYourself1972 All that "White" people and "Native American" crap. The people who decry what was done in the formation of America don't mind reaping the benefits of it.
dude… shut the fuck up, we’re here to talk movies