No-Till vs Tilling Soybean Food Plots - Extremely Different ways to Plant a Food Plot
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2020
- In this video we plant soybeans in 3 separate small areas all in our backyard by using 3 extremely different methods. One of the areas we broadcasted soybeans onto the soil and tilled them. Another area we had waist high winter rye and brassicas that grew back this spring and we broadcasted into the cover crop then crushed everything down with the atv and drag. The last area was lawn for many years and we sprayed it off and instead of completely tilling it up, we ran the disc over everything once cutting gouges about 2 in deep into the soil. Then I used the 1 row push garden seeder to drop soybeans directly into the gouges and at the end packed everything down.
All 3 different plantings turned out great, so well in fact that you cant even tell that we used such different methods to plant. There is so many different ways you can successfully plant and grow and food plot. - บันเทิง
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Really appreciate these videos. You’ve got some of the best food plot videos on TH-cam. Down to earth.
Thanks, I have heard a lot of good feedback from viewers and I am happy to hear everyone enjoys my content.
start hitting the like button people keep this kid moving great videos!
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Love the experiments! It is all a learning curve no doubt. The strip beans and the broadcast and crush, look pretty equal to me. Great stuff! The truth be told though, Mother Nature can make or break just about any plot! lol. Thanks. man
Thanks 👍 I am guessing the strip beans will probably end up looking the best by the end of the growing season because they have full sun and arnt to thick like the other two spots. Mother Nature has been good to us the last couple days. We got almost 3 in of rain after a long dry stretch.
Awesome how you show these different methods side by side. So much great info for us rookie food plotters. Thanks!
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That’s a great way with running the disc through and then the planter! I will definitely try that next year! Thanks keep up the Great videos!
It worked out well but for a larger area I think we could have just broadcasted and then ripped it up to work the beans in. That would have probably worked just as well, like I said there is so many different ways to plant successful food plots.
I am really impressed to see the efforts you're making and have subscribed to see if you come back with updates as the weeks go by. I don't know how busy you are, but I would love to see an update video on this every week or two, over the next 3 or 4 months. Thank you for posting this. :)
I will definitely do some updates in August and early September of the corn and soybeans. Then I always do winter updates after the hunting season.
Great videos I love watching them keep them coming your food plot look great!
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Great job! I like tilling up the land. I use a rejuvenate soil primer. It’s a microbe that helps the plants get nutrients. I like the no till for deer plots!
Love the experimentation. Next time throw some labels on each so I know which of the methods each was. Can't wait to see more updates on these.
Thanks, I know I probably should have labeled them better. I will probably do some updates on a lot of our corn and soybeans in late August early September near the end of the growing season.
I really like how your implementing Jeff sturgis no till method , i will be giving this method a try next spring. Great to see how its working out for you! Another great video man, keep it up. Thank you!
Thanks 👍 The cool thing is that you can seed winter rye in September into basically any food plot Beans, Corn, Brassicas, Etc. to prepare a nice cover crop next spring to plant No-Till soybeans into.
I love Jeff's videos but this method was being used by farmers long before he did it. His particular method uses buckwheat in the summer because he doesn't plant soy beans so he needs something in summer to keep weeds at bay. Crimping winter rye then planting beans into it is pretty standard stuff. What WW is doing here that's so cool is he isn't using a $20k no till to do it but it's getting good results anyway. Hat's off to him for trying something and not buying into the established methods.
Badass vid dude! Beans look amazing!
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Wow great job looks good
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Wow that looks good. Thank for idea.
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Another great video! Keep up the awesome videos!
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Great stuff!!! I had been contemplating buying a 2-row planter and spending more money... until now. Oats and rye will be broadcast into my brassicas later and I'll use the broadcast and drag method you did here for beans and maybe toss some corn in too next spring. Glad I watched this! I have another plot thats sunflowers right now so I'm thinking that one will need the disc. Basically will be replicating your experiments. Trial and error... see what works. Nice job again!
Definitely broadcast rye, the oats are a waste, they die out after the first frost and won’t come back in the spring like the rye and you won’t be able to use as a cover crop. Your sunflower plot you probably won’t need to disc, you plan of planting a fall brassica mix right? If you wanted you could no till half and till the other half to see the difference that way you know what method to use in future years.
Great job, Great video!! They're looking really good. Hope your hard work pays off this fall. I've learned something, enjoyed the video.
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I am glad to here you learned something. I definitely learned a lot as well.
Looks great
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I really love your videos I can't wait till u start planting brassicas
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Does seemed pretty thick but I think you insure yourself by having so many the deer should nip off love percentage and leave you with a nice yield another awesome video Jason thanks bud
Thanks, the good thing is soybean yields don’t fluctuate that much in different plant populations. The thinner the planting the more pods per plant. The thicker the less pods per plant but you have more plants, so it kinda evens out.
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Thanks for doing this experiment, very cool. Some of us just can't borrow, lease or buy a no-till drill, even if it is the best method.
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You don’t need a lot of expensive equipment to plant successful food plots. You can grow excellent brassica, soybean, clover and rye food plots all using the no-till method never having to work the ground. It’s the cheapest and most time efficient way to plant.
Looks good. Soybeans are very adaptive. Iowa state has studies showing beans planted from 120,000 population up to 300,00 population with very little change in yield. For my unprotected soybean food plots I shoot for around 200,000 population. Awesome video bud!
Thanks, I have looked at some of the studies and graphs showing different populations and row widths too. It’s amazing how the yield doesn’t fluctuate that much. The thicker they are the less pods you will have per plant but you have more plants so I guess it makes sense. Although the thicker you plant the higher chance you have of developing white mold because of reduced air flow and I heard once it’s in the soil you can’t get rid of it and the only way to protect the plants from developing it is spraying some high dollar fancy fungicide that you probably can’t even buy without a license. I don’t want our soil to develop that. Like I said we have a lot of clay which holds moisture really well, that could end coming back to bite us.
From a fellow Wisconsite, I love what you're doing. I plant all my plots using "poor man methods" as well. Do yourself a favor and go buy yourself a $25 bag seeder to making broadcasting easier and more evenly spread out..nice work!
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I have an earthway bag seeder. I use it for planting brassicas, clover and winter rye. I have tried soybeans in it but even at all the way open they still didn’t come out that good. Throwing the beans by hand is still very fast and easy to do. And you get a better feel of how thick your planting.
Hey Jason I'm watching the video again so I gather you had really good luck with the no-till method using beans and winter Rye I know Jeff Sturgis really promotes using buckwheat which I've got for next year already lined up but I want to make sure I'm getting this right cuz if you had luck I know I can it should be self-explanatory in the in the video but I just need a little that's right Steve thanks as always you're doing a great job man
You have to use either rye or wheat for no till soybeans because that is the only crop that would be tall enough to cover the soybeans. You plant buckwheat in early June after soybeans, and the buckwheat is used for no till brassicas. Then you can seed rye into the brassicas Labor Day and then seed buckwheat or soybeans into the standing rye the next year. It’s a great continuous cycle.
Thanks for the quick reply
I've always thought, for millions of years plants grew by being deposited directly on top of the soil. Tillage is a modern concept comparatively. I tried this same method on a portion of my food plots using milo. Hope I get the same results.
It kinda sucks that you can’t really get corn to grow well when no tilling like this. Basically all other food plot seeds like brassicas, clover and soybeans you can no till broadcast. Hopefully your milo spot turns out well.
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 corn today is a modern "invention". It's pretty crazy to see what corn looked like a couple hundred years ago. I don't think it could survive today if it weren't for humans.
Good job on the plots. Our hunting land is west of Duluth Minnesota one hour and we just planted our fall plots this Saturday, July 11th because we get early frost sometimes and last year planted one week later and had great results with brassicas. All plots were good and dead so we disked then broadcasted beans and peas together for the first time then dragged over them. We then broadcasted a mix of seven varieties/species of brassicas on top. We have heavy deer browse in general and especially in brassicas due to being in the big woods up north - no ag land around. I hope a quarter of the 50 pounds of peas and 50 pounds of beans planted in our 4 separate plots make it to October or November. What do you think of that mix I planted? ph was 6.5-6.7 in 3/4 plots. Some fertilizer Was added in before disking plots.
I am not used to the Big Woods and having deer browse issues. Planting the beans and peas with the brassicas as a cover crop to take some browse off of the brassicas seems like a great idea. I like to mix in a small percentage of beans in my brassicas as well but not as a cover crop more as an early season draw because they will stay green until the first frost. Your beans might be pretty much gone before a frost hits, it all comes down to knowing how many deer you have and how much they are going to browse and what type of plantings work best in your area.
Wisconsin Whitetail that is the plan - deer eat the peas and beans first allowing the brassicas to grow more. We will see. Thank you for the input.
Jason,
What did you use to spray? 41% glysophate and if so, how many ounces per gallon? Your plot looks really good to me and more important, probably looks really good to the deer as well. Thanks for the update on July 10.
Thanks, I usually spray at 2 oz per gallon. 41% glyphosate. Sometimes when there is a lot of water hemp or harder to kill weeds I will go as high as 4-6. Annual grasses you can go low as 1 oz they are very easy to kill.
I like how you are planting that around your trees. That will really benefit them. One thing I would note is to be careful not to clip your tree roots so you won't kill them. Also, have you ever heard of Comfrey? You can get a Russian variety called Bocking 14 and plant around your trees, especially beneficial to fruit trees. It has a really long taproot that will bring nutrients up from down deep and then you can go around and cut it and just lay it on top of the ground around your trees to fertilize them. It decomposes really fast too once cut. Lots of ppl that are into permaculture type farming will plant comfrey around their trees. Anyways, I like your videos and you make them really well. Each of us can always learn from each other. I tried your method of overseeding this past spring and I wasn't too successful . I should have waited for rain but we were getting it regularly then it stopped lol.
I have never heard of Comfrey. This fall I plan on broadcasting winter rye into the beans between the tree rows when they start turning yellow. That way next year we plant beans there we can just use the no till method by crushing and spraying the winter rye not needing to till between the tree rows.
Wisconsin Whitetail I am going to start using this method too. Yes look up comfrey and it’s benefits. Just make sure to get that Russian blocking 14. The other wild variety can get out of hand and the Russian version doesn’t spread.
Great video. Whst did you use as a drag to nock down the rie
I just used a normal garden drag. A harrow is another name for it.
Great video! What trees are growing in the roto tilled plot?
Oak, Hickory and spruce
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 thanks for response. I subscribed... great videos, you can tell you're a hard worker and put a lot of thought into the habitat and how you'll hunt it effectively. I wish you all the success! Good luck
I’m doing the Buffalo system at my property. Can I broadcast forage beans prior to crimping my cover crop with success? I’d like to do beans for the fall and just not certain if I would be wasting my time/money by not drilling the bean.
Yes, you can definitely broadcast the beans into a cover crop as long as the cover crop has enough forage to cover the beans. That’s exactly what we did with the winter rye in this video and I will be doing multiple other areas like this this summer.
Nice job! Was that a harrow you were using to crush the rye?
Thanks, yeah it is just an old 5 ft garden drag. Basically the same thing as a harrow. It weighs probably around 75 lbs. it does just as good of a job at crushing as any roller would do.
Wisconsin Whitetail- so you crushed it all first then sprayed with glysophate?
Have you tried some canola in your brassica plots?
Yes, 2-3 yrs ago one of the first food plot mixes I planted had some canola mixed with the forage rape.
Hey, maybe I missed it, but you mentioning 'spraying' the grass in that section. What did you spray with it? Amazing how few weeds there were!
J Affel generic glyphosate
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 Gotcha! - I'm new to all this, so I wasn't sure how that would impact the Soy beans planted and their growth. Would love to have the land to learn from experiments like this! I can't believe how well the knocked over and hand sewn section worked.
Glysophate or round up is a post emergent herbicide. Meaning it only kills green and growing plants. You could soak the seed in it and it won’t affect germination.
On the other hand, 2-4-D a broadleaf selective herbicide stays in the ground for up to 2-3 weeks and will effect germination.
New land owner/farmer here with 8 acres of hay fields looking to convert to foot plot with no till method for soil conservation. Something like a forage soy then cover crop of buck wheat/winter rye rotation. Can you tell me how to start getting rid of grass fields to start the food plots? Mow grass? Round up? Broadcast what and when? Once the rotation is established I should be fine but not sure how to start the conversion. Thanks!
Converting sod to food plots can be challenging without equipment. The best way to do it would be to let the grass and vegetation get around shin to knee high and spray. When everything dies off burn the entire field. If you mow and spray when it’s short it won’t burn off that good.
You could also probably just mow, spray when it grows back and seed into the thatch. You probably won’t have the best results the first year but by the next year everything we have decomposed and broken down a little bit and it will work better.
When converting and area like this it’s always the easiest to do some form of tillage the first year, plowing or spray and heavily disc or till. That way the sod layer is gone for good and won’t take 1-2 years to break down and disappear.
all you gotta do is tarp it for 6 months then till, then tarp again so the weed seeds will germimate then die under the tarp then voila! Or you could totally poison your soil and the lakes and streams around you then torch the earth like he recommended. It's your land.
@@getplanted5730 thanks. I appreciate all comments and ideas. I am still learning how to work soil and farm. Whatever process is used I want to be a good steward of the earth.
Hi. What's is the weight of that iron you use to flatten the cover crop
That drag probably weighs around 100-150lbs
When we’re you planting the no till?
The no till plot and the spot we tilled up between the tree rows were planted the same day.
What did you use to drag over the Rye to knock it down?
I just used a normal garden drag. A Harrow is another name for it. Weighs probably close to 75 lbs.
We planted some peas this year they came up great. Would you recommend spraying the other weeds that’s growing up in the peas?
Are the peas round up ready?
If there are you could but if not you will probably do more harm than good.
Wisconsin Whitetail I have no idea. So you usually just let the other weeds grow up in them?
I have never planted peas other than one year when they were mixed in with a brassicas blend that I planted. I am pretty sure peas are not round up ready. If the weeds get too bad I would suggest planting a brassica blend and crushing down and spraying everything. Peas turn brown after a few frosts and don’t offer any fall-winter food when deer need it.
Wisconsin Whitetail yea we just did it for a summer crop. Do you think soy beans is the best to plant for a summer crop?
Bama Fever we plant soybeans not for a summer crop but for a winter food source when deer need food the most. If you planted peas for just a summer crop you can broadcast a brassica blend into the peas and weeds and then crush down with an atv, if you have a drag that would help crush everything down better then spray right after. You should end up with great results.
Do you fertilize? If so what do you use?
Not the plots in the video. I will probably fertilize them next year. We tested our soil and it was pretty good. At my grandparents farm we fertilize every year because our there the soil is low in potassium and phosphorus
What state are you in? What month are you starting seeds?
I am in Wisconsin, I will be planting our corn and bean plots in May
What kinda trees u plant
In this particular area we have a few rows of white spruce on the edge and some oak and hickory mixed in the other rows. It’s only about a half acre sized area
About how many acres is that.
The property Only about 5-6 acres. The acreage of beans total in all 3 separate plantings is only around 0.75 acres
Spray with what?
Glyphosate mixed at 2oz per gallon
What kind of beans do you use?
They are normal ag beans, I don’t know the exact variety.
Thank you for your time.