Angela Bassetts emotional speech about losing her family while stripping Okoye of her rank gave me chills and really proves what a powerhouse of an actor she is. I was so pissed when they killed her off.
@Mah Wen Jin they put Angela Bassett in the Avenger's Endgame credits, but not Edward Norton's Hulk which IS canon to the movies. Woke Hollywood is dumb
@Swol Winchester Ed Norton was also known for being difficult to work with on multiple projects, including Hulk. There was a reason Disney didn't wanna work with Norton after the film came out and it had little to do with wokeness.
Im actually surprised he didnt say anything about Shuri's talk with Killmonger. I thought that was a great scene showing how her heart felt at that moment, mirroring Killmonger.
@rachelwingard88 totally agree, it was the best part of the movie. I came to the comments to say I missed the sin removal on the video. It was worth 5 sins off imo... that's how great that scene is. It does a splendid job using a very important plot point of the first movie to accomplish many things: Subvert expectations , show how consumed was Shuri by pain and hatred, present a totally different Black Panther than the one we were expecting, show how different Shuri and T'Chala are... I remember being at the cinema and feeling actual chills when I heard "little cousin". Well done.
Glad you brought up how manipulative Namor is and that he in fact kidnapped Shuri. That man is unhinged. The fact he killed her mom, I don’t understand the appeal of shipping them.
Out of all the villains in the mcu Namor deserved to die with most of them. It's crazy that anyone thinks he should live. Even at the end of the movie he is STILL plotting to attack the surface world. He wants to kill everyone on earth for some oppression that isn't happening anymore..
He didn't kidnap her at all--Shuri demanded to go to Talokan, and Attuma did as she demanded. He wasn't "unhinged"--he witnessed European colonialism give way to racial capitalism and extractivism, and he wasn't going to be colonized or exploited. K'uk'ulkan is actually the only person in the film with an even remotely logical position--and the only reason he attacked Wakanda is because Ramonda launched a covert op into Talokan and killed a Talokanii national first. Ramonda died because she was the one who committed an act of war; after she died, K'uk'ulkan retreated and gave Wakanda the chance to prevent further bloodshed. It's not especially complicated.
@@darrylehm ...did they not attack wakanda's princess and soldiers while she was in the middle of securing a person that they *blackmailed* her into getting?
@@plumeria1985 the person they were trying to smuggle back to Wakanda without the Talokanii knowing? Yes. Attuma and Namora weren't there for Shuri or Okoye--which is why they didn't kill either of them when they had the chance.
11:09 Namor was the first character to be called a mutant in Marvel comics. Its very fitting for the character to be the first to actually use the word mutant and the first to identify as one since he was born a mutant and not altered after birth like everyone else we've seen in the MCU.
@gentblue the scene is just an Easter egg. Marvel could have just continued to call them "powered individuals" or "mutations" but chose to finally use a word that fans have been wanting to hear for years in an mcu production
The biggest problem with Namors motivation is, even if he killed the girl, what would that accomplish? The government probably already have an spare vibranium detector anyway, or at least the schematics
I think the opening funeral scene was for later viewers who weren't aware of his health issues (think our kids watching these for the first time later in the years). It's just a way to help transition while still honoring him
It's also necessary in the chronological context of the MCU. Imagine just starting off the movie like "welp he's dead" and then watching a few years from now after maybe watching civil war , no and then this. It would be abrupt AF without context.
@@728GT the problem was the time jump right after, not the actual funeral scene. Why couldn’t his death have been recent instead of arbitrarily jumping ahead
All right,but wasn't Tchalla dead for 5 years after the snap? I mean I'm sure they mourned him the first time, but the second time even harder? I don't think so.
3:12 They used the different colors and fonts to denote when characters were speaking different languages, neither of them English. When Nakia is trying to find Namor, she first speaks to the old woman in the village in her own language (Spanish, I believe), but then switches to ancient Mayan to convince her she knows who and what she's looking for.
Seeing Shuri fail to save her brother and how poorly she deals with that is kind of the tentpole of her arc - if we didn’t see that, it would break the ‘show don’t tell rule’. That’s why we start with the funeral.
Not only that but it was to respect and do right by Chadwick. Imagine the outcry of disrespect if this was like most movies and they only just casually mentioned that he died early on.
But the problem wasn’t the showing of the funeral, it was the time jump right after. What purpose does it serve to skip ahead a year instead of experiencing what she feels while her brothers death is still recent.
@@jon83chewy because as nice as it would be for a two hour long film to deal with fresh grief, movies gotta movie, so we transition to a year later where we see that she is still actively grieving
When I saw this movie in theaters there was some murmuring throughout it, but when Ramonda chewed out Okoye the room went dead silent, and I thought "damn that's some excellent acting."
Surprised there wasn’t any mention of Killmonger’s appearance in the movie in the video. You would think such a big moment for Shuri’s character would be addressed.
I love the connection between Okoye chastening RiRi about saving herself with a heater when they first encounter each other, and it coming full circle in her methodology to weakening Namor.
I wonder if she lives in one of those rich/smart person college dorms. I also wonder if there’s a such thing as a “rich/smart person college dorm,” or if that’s just something I made up and am just assuming exists.
I love the "Fenty 440" joke. I would totally believe that if Rihanna wrote that joke cause into her contract when she decided to sing "Lift Me Up" for the soundtrack.
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Literally laughed out loud at "unexpected wildlife." Great writing.
5:15 Why is Shuri needed to talk to Ross? Well, she *is* the one that directly saved his life and had the most (and most positive) interaction with him. It's likely her presence was necessary to subtly remind Ross of his feelings of debt to Wakanda.
They also needed to ask Ross about the “American scientist” that invented a vibranium detector for the CIA and he’s IN the CIA. They didn’t know it was a college kid yet
I just realized something: The Vibranium in Talokan comes from the famous Yucatán Meteor Impact that created the underwater cave systems called the Cenotés. Clever.
@@frankunodostres473C’mon, Frank. That’d be like saying Christopher Reeve shouldn’t be remembered for Superman, his acting in The Remains of the Day was his finest.
Why didn't the fish people just siren song their way to victory in the final battle? It seemed to work every other time so why not do that? The Wakanda army definitely didn't pack ear plugs for the battle so it should have been an easy W.
Why would you thingk they didn't pack earplugs? They all saw the siren thing working before, and they surely have some sort of super-vibranium-earplugs. They'd be stupid not to bring them.
Shuri and Riri(especially her) would've had a backup. Not to mention that Talakun or however you spell it did try it on Wakanda but that planned failed. Not to mention that they were hyped up on revenge. But why siren song people when you have the literal home field advantage
You say we all knew T'Challa would be dead, so the funeral was unnecessary, but, right after Chadwick Boseman's death, Marvel was saying they would not kill off T'Challa. I think the plan was more to have him go missing for some reason or another and for Shuri to just have to step up as Black Panther while he was gone (this kind of thing happens in the comics). So I actually was surprised when they showed funeral scenes in the teasers leading up to the movie's release. Also, a movie can be around for much longer than the people that would remember that an actor died between the original and the sequel. So, it would have seemed a huge oversight to anyone that didn't know the meta reason why T'Challa had to die.
Yeah I think it would have been more of a sin to start this movie with a silent Chadwick Boseman Marvel logo and then the first scene of the movie be "well he's dead, so here we go..." and make nothing of it. Especially for the really emotionally invested fans, this movie felt like a helping hand to process the grief. (And before anyone says it's pathetic to feel that strongly for an actor/character, it's just human, like caring about a particular sports team or your friends who aren't blood relatives. Pretty much everyone has *something* they care about, outside of their immediate family etc.)
@@bobblebardsley either if they buried him or not he was going to sin it....it's called entertainment... The movie was a pack of horse manure and even if the first one was sht too this somehow managed to make it worse.
It’s goes completely against what the original film set up. The Black Panther is title that should be inherited through combat not by blood. Sheri had no right to be the next black panther. Just another case of Marvel going woke.
@@KhanMann66 His death was sudden, and not through combat. Not only that, but the whole country was in mourning, especially after the death of the queen. I don’t think there’d be an issue in allowing Shuri as the BP
Riri acknowledging that a member of the Wakandan royalty, a celebrity, a superhero and a personal hero of hers in shuri is in her room, then proceeding to threaten her with various objects and hand-waving away that this person is also telling her she is in danger.. that was a pretty big sin to me.. especially since we are meant to believe she is an unparalleled genius after that...
however it pisses me off that she will go down in history as the first (and so far only) actor to get nominated for a mcu film. all I'm saying is RDJ, michael keaton, elizabeth olson or tom holland also deserved some recognition
@frank unodostres recognition for what?? These are garbage movies with nothing even close to good acting. Anything totally reliant on cgi and with horrible storylines shouldn't even be considered actual moviemaking. These are some of the worst acted things in history.
Angela Bassett: gives one of the greatest performance of her life and establishes herself as the best character in the MCU Then immediately dies saving Ironheart (MCU quippy teenage genius number 5)
The best character in the mcu? 😂 I cant imagine the amount of bathsalts someone mother had to smoke while pregnant to birth a child that would think that, let alone make that statement.
The different colors of the subtitles easily convey to the viewer what language is being spoken. Watching the movie, this was a super easy concept to pick up on, not sure why you felt the need to sin it
Wow, absolutely no commentary on Shuri's vision with Killmonger? I'm legitimately shocked. Even if the logic is "Well, it was an awesome scene, so it has no sins" you think it would be a moment where Jeremy takes a sin (or more) back.
It's still amazes me how damn good Angela Bassett is in her craft. I mean.. Damn. A powerful.. Powerful... Actress who commanded the screen everytime. Still sad that her and Chadwick couldn't share the screen again. A powerful actor gone too soon . Black panther movies have like the most amazing acting talent in any Marvel movies....
My biggest gripe about the movie was the Queen's emotional decisions. She's like, "My whole family is dead." Yet she knows about T'challa's son that's been kept secret. Made all her ranting and bickering, useless film filler. She lost her husband in the last movie, and she was stoic. She thought she lost her son, she was sad, but still proud and stoic. Like a Queen would be. But in this movie, she lashes out, becomes vengeful against people that's not even at fault, and does stupid decisions, to a point of, her death and the deaths of countless Wakandans. Makes her a terrible queen. And why they couldn't stop one flying man is just stupid as well. This movie nerfed the hell out of the Wakandans's superior technology and fighters.
Bro, who the actual fuck stays "stoic" when literally they keep losing loved ones?! And the line is "my entire family is GONE!" dumbass. I'll admit the movie has writing problems, but that scene was one of the scariest and saddest things I heard. Not only that, she actively questioning her own decisions and whether if the cost to her family was actually worth it. "I am queen of the most powerful nation in the world, but my entire family... is gone! "Have I not given everything?!"
My biggest gripe with this movie is that the latter half just feels like a shittier version of T'challa's journey in Civil War. Like a lot of the story beats are very similar if not exactly the same, a quick example being, Parent is killed, child is out for revenge, gives up on revenge at the last minute. T'challa did it way better in Civil War. Feels like as brilliant of a T'challa that Chadwick portrayed they should have just recast the role instead of changing the entire movie and handing us this hot mess. The acting was great, Angela Bassett's performance literally gave me chills, it's the poor, rushed writing that lets it down majorly, from the hamfisted inclusion of Riri Williams to Shuri being Black Panther (Should have been either Okoye or M'Baku, Shuri is more tech savvy, more of a Wakandan Iron-Man, she simply doesn't have the skills to go toe to toe with Namor) . Just overall a Mid movie, wasn't She-Hulk levels of terrible but wasn't the Masterpiece most people seem to believe it is. Meh/10
You would imagine that in Wakanda (a quasi utopian society) people might start to question whether an absolutist monarchy is the best form of rule after not just Queen Ramonda's questionable decisions but the whole of the first Black Panther movie where the only way to depose Killmonger as King was to incite a Civil War! Yet there is no consideration of reforming the constitution of Wakanda at any point (you could still retain the challenge system for the role of Black Panther since the King and Black Panther are not necessarily the same person - they weren't in CA:CW and it seems they won't be going forward either).
Succession rules in Wakanda: T’challa was Black Panther before he was king, though that was likely because his father the current king wasn’t in Black Panther condition anymore. The “king” mantle can be held by any eligible candidate from one of the Wakandan tribes. If T’Challa had been successfully bested by another challenger of royal blood the first time, he would have had to yield both mantles to that person and Killmonger would have arrived to find T’Challa wasn’t even king (though his goal was to harness vibranium for revenge purposes). Apparently there had not been a challenge to succeed T’Challa in the year after his death and Ramonda was the Queen. Shuri ceded her claim to the throne to M’Baku and so he is challenging all comers to make it official while (presumably) allowing Shuri to remain Black Panther to continue her alliance with Namor and company.
I'm shocked Jeremy didn't mention the end credit scene or the fact that Killmonger showed up. This movie hit me hard, and I wasn't 100% ready for it when it came out. I was barely holding on before the end credit scene and that was enough to take me out
20:22 this type of houses are very stable because the river is calm most of the time, these houses exist in several places and only in cases of extreme storms and floods are they washed away by the river
2:50 - My first impression watching this scene was that it was a heavy reference to siren songs, ya know, mermaid people who supposedly sing with voices so beautiful that seafaring men become hypnotized and throw themselves off ship into the water to try to get find them, only to drown in the cold or rough seas. It's a common phenomenon that pops up in a lot of folktales and mythology around the world as far back as ancient times
Yeah but in Marvel’s defense this was definitely not the Black Panther 2 they wanted to make baring the unfortunate passing of Chadwick. I’m sure they had a whole nother script written that had to be thrown out and this one had to be written from the ground up.
Should have sinned the scene where the fish guy throws a couple of small water grenades in a huge ass room, and it fills it up just enough to drown the Queen. Just curious how like 200,000 gallons of water could fit in those small ass grenades.
Namor literally has wings on his legs and you're wondering how water could fit in the grenades?? It's called a movie and not everything is realistic! Some things exist in the MCU that don't exist here and we don't need to try and rationalise EVERYTHING
@@ariwong7961 There are certain levels of stupid one is willing to accept for fiction movies. That absurd quantity of water being able to be fucking carried by hand in a tiny grenade is far, far past the acceptable level of stupid.
@@ariwong7961 Yes how does 200,000 gallons of water fit in a grenade and he be able to lift it? I'm sure if Sheri had said I am Black Iron Woman and snapped her fingers and all iron turned into vibranium, the Earth turning into an equitable socialist paradise, then the movie ended - you would have applauded and still said not everything has to be realistic. And little wings on his feet looks hella gay.
I wholly agree with the mic drop after an act of aggression line. It would have made total sense, that their next move after wakanda 100-percent shut them down, to then find an alternative source
I just want to know how deep that river in wakanda is for it to have whales transport the fish people and it go undetected in the most secure city in the world who just said to raise security because of Namor breaking in undetected the first time
That's a fair point, but I don't usually count things like that against world building or plot just because in this case we're immersed in fictional elements. Like, Wakanda doesn't exist. There are enormous mile wide, or absurdly deep, rivers in real life, the deepest of which is in Africa. Who's to say what the characteristics of this river is? The people of not-Atlantis-actually have advanced but undescribed Vibranium based technology as well, and built a clandestine civilization beneath the seas. Whose to say anti-sonar or whatever isn't trivial for them? Neither fictional superhero monarchy or its culture or history actually exists. Whose to say what strategies of established defense they've prioritized or developed? Of course, I do know what channel I'm on. 🤷♂️
@@onemllnonetoone I’m just saying, if I just pissed off a bunch of people that live in the water, I’m gonna make sure that the one way they can possibly come in is blocked by a shield or heavily guarded 🤷♂️ Especially since how paranoid they are about outsiders coming into wakanda. It just makes zero sense and a guy who sat down and watched the movie can easily think of a way to stop it, the most scientifically advanced society in the world should be able to
@@RyanWood24 Again, not arguing that isn't a fair point, we're just imagining reasonable, or unreasonable things however we want that could have been done. Like, think about the real world; what type of submersibles could a Wakanda possibly have to worry about in their rivers? Some sonar and some guns was probably all they needed until a fishman popped out of a lake and told them they have an army of unknown size, armaments, and abilities to worry about. If the queen gave you a week to defend Wakanda's waterways from invasion, and sonar evidently didn't work, whatcha gonna do? Dam an apparently enormous river system and flood the place? Cut off the freshwater supply to a major city? Setup a checkpoint that can be overwhelmed or subverted offscreen? Or maybe you're right and nothing was done, because it's a movie where if it isn't explicitly described it doesn't exist. 🤷♂️
@@katanaryo6718 I truly don't remember the whales in the rivers. Yada yada, something something, giant whale rebreathers or whatever. Lmao. Anyway, whales breathe air. Saltwater has nothing to do with it.
There was literally a line stating reinforce the shield underwater. But then they just get through so unbelievably easily that border patrol never even saw them? No alerts that the barrier was damaged or gone, no surveillance underwater, nothing.
I actually loved hearing Shuri and Okoye discussing makeup shade. Fenty started a cosmetic revolution by proving that if you provide the supply of diverse shades and undertones, people will buy it. There weren’t as many options beforehand and now nearly every brand is releasing products to compete. Fenty went through great pains to develop a formula that worked for everyone and it’s nice to see the gratefulness felt by many irl be acknowledged by two of the most powerful Black women in the MCU. ❤
Damn. I never realized it until now, but you're right: Those WERE the last words she said to her mother @ 14:41. Ouch 💔. As someone who lost both parents recently, that hurts a bit.
I think Wakanda forgot they have their own prison system that they could lock the people up for trying to steal Vibranium. Didn't Klaw showed the Wakandian prison tattoo in Age of Ultron?
There definitely should’ve been sims removed for: - Nakia switching from Spanish to the indigenous language - Shuri seeing Killmonger - The costuming - And several more removed for the acting in the scene between the Queen and Okoye…🔥🔥🔥
Huge fan of the channel for years, I would just like to point out that there are myth about Siren luring sailors into jumping into the ocean with their songs, so I guess the movie just wanted to mirror that story？
Not to mention trying to lure super rich ducks. _"Pennies, nickles, quarters, dimes. Come to us while there's still time!"_ 30 years later and I still remember that chant. 😂
16:51 i mean 100,000 kids left to put those orbs in random sequences, even if we dont recognize it one of em prolly "made" something that would "cure" cancer or be a step towards understanding and fighting the blanket term that is cancer
The colour of subs is really a part of communication. Now we not only know what is said, but also know the language that was used and consequentially who could understand it among the people present and who couldn't. Quite ingenious, really.
forgot about the part where Namor could have easily went to the water and get his powers back, but instead he decided to punch shuri a bit more in his weakened state.
I feel like people go easy on critiquing this movie solely for the death of Chadwick boseman, and claim it to be one of the best MCU movies even though there are tons of issues with the movie. I loved the first black panther and it’s top 10 MCU for me but this one really dropped the ball. The movie was way too long, tried to have jokes that weren’t even funny at all, and namor is a fundamentally flawed villain. He made no sense.
12:06 apparently I have a lot of gripe with this movie I did not know I had. BUT, “the surface people have conquered and enslaved people like us” when you had the technology, power, and apparently the army needed to defend said people but instead chose to hide your nation and let the people like you suffer says more about Talokan and Wakanda than it says about the rest of the world. Like they could’ve destroyed the colonial powers at literally any point in time before the a bomb dropped and decided to wait until the former colonial powers had enough technology to fight back to make a move? Dammit movie!
So the jumping into the water thing I think is meant to be a reference/explanation for sirens and mermaids in our folklore as they sing luring those at see into the water.
Honestly, T'Challa dying of a disease should be a sin itself. The powers he got from the herb to be Black Panther included enhanced healing which is up to a super soldier. So, he shouldn't be sick. But, there's a disease that not even his healing factor could protect him from? That's a big deal, cause other enhanced people could catch that disease too and die from it. But, we don't know how he caught it nor where it came from. Hell, we don't even know if it'll be brought up again in another movie. Also, in Civil War, they have those cryo chambers that they used to put Bucky on ice. Why couldn't they do that to T'Challa until Shuri found the cure?
@@rockb922 Yup, regardless of how illogical their reasoning is and how many logical and canon ways people have for saving/preserving T'Challa, he was always doomed...just because.
It's simple, because NO ONE would ever be okay with someone else ever being T'Challa , The Black Panther mantel could be given/earned to another, but no one can replace Mr. Boswick - so putting him "on ice" instead of allowing all fans to mourn the loss T'Challa is also allowing us to mourn the loss of Mr. Boswick.
@@kathycournoyer5868 Then they should've had him die in battle instead of coming up with the disease that raises more questions and plotholes. And, I'd be okay if T'Challa got recasted cause I like the Black Panther and don't want his story to end. There have been many people who played Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, but Black Panther should be played by only one person?
They literally did by changing the A enters opening to ALL BPs scenes. It was enough of a tribute we didn’t need an entire ass scene with sister trying to SAVE him… we fucking knew he died… the funeral was overkill
12:46 - Sinning the Sin Guy for saying "wavering nation" when (I'm guessing) he meant "neighbourng nation." 13:38 - Sinning the Sin Guy for asking a question he admits he knows the answer to and then threatening anyone who points him to said answer. (And anyway, she was also in another movie, BLACK WIDOW, not just in the FALCON/SOLDIER tv show.)
I was waiting for Cinema Sins to talk about how Nakia rescued Shuri and Riri by coming out of the water, and in the very next scene when the Queen is reunited with Shuri, they are not wet. Not even damp. Or a towel. The pacing of Nakia's rescuing is my biggest problem with the movie
No actually this is a real life thing now Jeremy is a white man like I’m guessing you are to and us black people joke what each other even at inappropriate times it’s called bashing or as us young folks call it roasting she called her head ashy you probably don’t get the context but it’s something we say all the time this movie was mad by a black director an has an almost completely black cast there gonna be in jokes and I see your apart of the marvel under cuts serious moments with joke well then what about infinity war where everyone was joking back to back during a fight for the universe
2:46 the Mayan afterlife Talokan is loosely based is supposedly reached only by those who die by drowing. It's also likely inspired by the stories of sirens in Greek mythology who would hypnotize sailors until they dash their boats or just drown overboard. Odysseus survived hearing their song and they ended up drowing themselves. Namora's headress is also made of something resembling bird feathers... possibly a siren reference as well since they were said to be half woman and half bird.
Singers that lure seafarers to their deaths is not only in Greek mythology, that’s just the one most Europe audiences are most familiar with. There are Asian, African and Indigenous variations on ocean temptresses
But the sin wasn't "Why are the ocean people suicide-drowning people", it was "Why have the screenwriters decided to make the ocean people, who will supposedly face no consequence for their actions by the end of the movie and who are also supposed to be sympathetic villains, suicide-drowning people, when there was no need for such an uncomfortable imagery and, the first time that happens, to kill people in the first place?"
The silence during the tribute intro to Chadwick Boseman was incredible... Everywhere I read that their theater was dead silent during it. Worldwide...
6:54 All the human girls in MARVEL tinker with the QUANTUM REALM for fun! They should pay the fans every time a young woman in the MCU uses the word "quantum"! Didn't even catch it, when RIRI said this.
So, Riri was able to slap an iron suit together during her college in a couple months at MIT but it took Tony Stark years to start developing just the Arc Reactor?. Is she a mutant too, with hyper intelligence? Or is it another way to establish the Women Are Better at Everything trope?
@@shadowhawkrine1947 I mean that she had a blueprint for how to make an Iron Man suit. Tony didn't because he was the inventor. It's easier to copy something someone else has already done.
@@zurirobinson2749 She in fact, did not. That was the entire purpose of Iron Man 2 for crying out loud. Nobody has blueprints for an iron man suit anymore, I would be surprised if Tony hadn’t left a self destruct sequence to occur upon his death for all information of his technology. It’s not easy to copy what someone else has done because you only see the result. They just made her smart to make her smart
Breaking the previous king's promise to share their country's wealth and technology with other nations, hacking the UN, trying to keep other countries away from vibranium that is not even in Wakanda & which they have no claim to, kidnapping a child from an allied nation and refusing to even let her call her mother...Queen Ramonda is the villain in this movie, and nobody (including the screenwriters & director) seems to be aware of that.
I would argue that the one threatening/planning war against the world and killing a ton of innocent people is the villain. I'd more attribute the title of poor decision maker to the queen.
Uh, the queen did not try to keep others away from a vibranium, and she also didn't kidnap a child. Both of those were done by Namor's people. I'd also don't know what you are referencing by hacking the UN.
The scene with Riri in the dorm is not a problem with tone that scene is realist asf as all black people know no matter how grim a situation is there’s always time to clown someone
Namor desire to kill Riri makes no sense. For a starter, she isn't even a scientist. She is a 19-year-old college kid. She isn't even old enough to drink. She didn't even build the machine. It was just a design that the military stole from her. She wasn't even planning on building it. The military already has the designs and can build more. So the damage is done. So killing her would be pointless and petty. How did Namor even find all this out? Does he have underwater computer hackers? I mean they are using whales as transportation. Doesn't scream technologically advanced to me.
3:46 No, they're just trying to act like everything from Wakanda is better. It's kinda my issue with this whole nation, but it's really taken up a notch in the MCU. The technology we have came from centuries of exchanging ideas and inventions, these guys have a space rock. If it came with a spaceship and and super simple tutorials, I could probably buy it easier, but they just built way better computers everything cause of a piece of stone.
I get that. One country can have a guy inventing the steam engine, while another can give false identities to slave exploiting Nazis, so they can work on rocket tech.
you did not just besmirch the fine art cultural phenomenon that is "Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared". Of all the years I've watched your channel, this is the first time I've ever been taken aback by something you've said in one of your videos.
That Chadwick Boseman Tribute opening was the quietest you ever felt in a movie. You felt the emotions in the room at the time.
You know, they used it in 2020 on Disney+ for the first film.
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Because that very same year he passed away. In the worst year of all time… we lost our King. 😢😢😢
I saw it twice in a packed theater and it was quiet as a mouse.
Just like the Paul walker tribute
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'Our king'?
You people need to go out more.
Didnt realize shuri's last words to her mom was her jokingly hanging up on her in a crisis. That...hits differently now.
Technically her last words to her were "love you, bye" so it could have been worse. At least she didn't say anything cruel or get into an argument.
@Hiccup Hufflepuff could have been worse, yea, but definitely not optimal
@@geekroom2365 Her last words contained i love you - pretty optimal last words
At least it wasn't about Billy Joel
@@user-KNP13 I understood that reference
Angela Bassetts emotional speech about losing her family while stripping Okoye of her rank gave me chills and really proves what a powerhouse of an actor she is. I was so pissed when they killed her off.
But it is still stupid.
@Mah Wen Jin they put Angela Bassett in the Avenger's Endgame credits, but not Edward Norton's Hulk which IS canon to the movies. Woke Hollywood is dumb
@Swol Winchester Ed Norton was also known for being difficult to work with on multiple projects, including Hulk. There was a reason Disney didn't wanna work with Norton after the film came out and it had little to do with wokeness.
@@Peanut_Buster90 Why would Edward Norton have to be credited for Avengers Endgame anyway? He wasn't in it
Angela Bassett was in Avengers: Endgame
Im actually surprised he didnt say anything about Shuri's talk with Killmonger. I thought that was a great scene showing how her heart felt at that moment, mirroring Killmonger.
If its a great scene then why would it be sinned?
@@cheese9466 no he probably would've had to remove a sin for it so yeah idk why he didn't include it it was the best part of the movie imo
This felt kinda rushed, maybe they forgot it. To be fair, the movie is not that great, but that scene may be its best part
@rachelwingard88 totally agree, it was the best part of the movie. I came to the comments to say I missed the sin removal on the video. It was worth 5 sins off imo... that's how great that scene is. It does a splendid job using a very important plot point of the first movie to accomplish many things: Subvert expectations
, show how consumed was Shuri by pain and hatred, present a totally different Black Panther than the one we were expecting, show how different Shuri and T'Chala are...
I remember being at the cinema and feeling actual chills when I heard "little cousin". Well done.
it was a great scene, which is probably why he didn't say anything 😭
17:40 This sin could just as easily be "Black Panther movie doesn't Black Panther until there is only 41 minutes left."
A black panter? Exhausted African man?
Black Panther was never in the movie. Just Shuri in a Black Panther suit.
@@gentblue listen, that was good, a great joke, even--
Hysterically it's also a BP origin story after we got a BP origin story.
Should have gave it a original name instead of a sequel something similar like "black pants turd" would fit.
Glad you brought up how manipulative Namor is and that he in fact kidnapped Shuri. That man is unhinged. The fact he killed her mom, I don’t understand the appeal of shipping them.
Out of all the villains in the mcu Namor deserved to die with most of them. It's crazy that anyone thinks he should live. Even at the end of the movie he is STILL plotting to attack the surface world. He wants to kill everyone on earth for some oppression that isn't happening anymore..
He didn't kidnap her at all--Shuri demanded to go to Talokan, and Attuma did as she demanded. He wasn't "unhinged"--he witnessed European colonialism give way to racial capitalism and extractivism, and he wasn't going to be colonized or exploited. K'uk'ulkan is actually the only person in the film with an even remotely logical position--and the only reason he attacked Wakanda is because Ramonda launched a covert op into Talokan and killed a Talokanii national first. Ramonda died because she was the one who committed an act of war; after she died, K'uk'ulkan retreated and gave Wakanda the chance to prevent further bloodshed. It's not especially complicated.
@@darrylehm Correct
@@darrylehm ...did they not attack wakanda's princess and soldiers while she was in the middle of securing a person that they *blackmailed* her into getting?
@@plumeria1985 the person they were trying to smuggle back to Wakanda without the Talokanii knowing? Yes. Attuma and Namora weren't there for Shuri or Okoye--which is why they didn't kill either of them when they had the chance.
11:09 Namor was the first character to be called a mutant in Marvel comics. Its very fitting for the character to be the first to actually use the word mutant and the first to identify as one since he was born a mutant and not altered after birth like everyone else we've seen in the MCU.
The books don't matter - we are watching a movie!
@gentblue the scene is just an Easter egg. Marvel could have just continued to call them "powered individuals" or "mutations" but chose to finally use a word that fans have been wanting to hear for years in an mcu production
It was actually in ms. Marvel first but yeah lol
@@mathisalexander2446 she was called a mutation not a mutant
@@MarkERoth and it was immediately followed by the stinger of the 90's X-Men theme. Safe to say then that it was Marvel calling her a mutant.
The biggest problem with Namors motivation is, even if he killed the girl, what would that accomplish?
The government probably already have an spare vibranium detector anyway, or at least the schematics
One of like a billion problems with the movie
People say wakanda forever was phase 4's best film, but I call bullshit on that. No movie "except No Way Home" was good whatsoever.
Of course. That’s one of the lamest plot holes. She sent her design through her college. And all the people who actually built the thing.
@@silverbells24 I wouldn't say No Way Home was much better.
@@Mizzraim ok fair enough! I thought it was decent tho, but i think far from home was a little bit better
I think the opening funeral scene was for later viewers who weren't aware of his health issues (think our kids watching these for the first time later in the years). It's just a way to help transition while still honoring him
It's also necessary in the chronological context of the MCU. Imagine just starting off the movie like "welp he's dead" and then watching a few years from now after maybe watching civil war , no and then this. It would be abrupt AF without context.
It also shows how long she had been working on that synthetic herb
@@728GT the problem was the time jump right after, not the actual funeral scene. Why couldn’t his death have been recent instead of arbitrarily jumping ahead
All right,but wasn't Tchalla dead for 5 years after the snap?
I mean I'm sure they mourned him the first time, but the second time even harder? I don't think so.
I completely agree!😇
3:12 They used the different colors and fonts to denote when characters were speaking different languages, neither of them English. When Nakia is trying to find Namor, she first speaks to the old woman in the village in her own language (Spanish, I believe), but then switches to ancient Mayan to convince her she knows who and what she's looking for.
Seeing Shuri fail to save her brother and how poorly she deals with that is kind of the tentpole of her arc - if we didn’t see that, it would break the ‘show don’t tell rule’. That’s why we start with the funeral.
Yeah that was definitely one of the most forced sins they’ve ever done. It should have been obvious why we started with the funeral.
Not only that but it was to respect and do right by Chadwick. Imagine the outcry of disrespect if this was like most movies and they only just casually mentioned that he died early on.
@@tariqthomas9090 The sin was more to do with the time skip of a year after the funeral.
But the problem wasn’t the showing of the funeral, it was the time jump right after. What purpose does it serve to skip ahead a year instead of experiencing what she feels while her brothers death is still recent.
@@jon83chewy because as nice as it would be for a two hour long film to deal with fresh grief, movies gotta movie, so we transition to a year later where we see that she is still actively grieving
When I saw this movie in theaters there was some murmuring throughout it, but when Ramonda chewed out Okoye the room went dead silent, and I thought "damn that's some excellent acting."
Surprised there wasn’t any mention of Killmonger’s appearance in the movie in the video. You would think such a big moment for Shuri’s character would be addressed.
I was thinking that
maybe there were no sins!! haha
Shuri said she saw nothing soooooo it didn’t happen lol
@@the_real_beaker_ And thus, we should have gotten a reverse-sin-counter ding
@@tedmoise1398 absolutely, it was a big moment in the movie
I love the connection between Okoye chastening RiRi about saving herself with a heater when they first encounter each other, and it coming full circle in her methodology to weakening Namor.
Damn it did didn't it!😮
Being a college student living in a prison cell of a dorm, yeah I was pissed at how pristine Riris dorm was
Took me right out of the movie, it was ridiculous
It was bigger than my first apartment. My dorm could not have fit a woman wielding a full length spear and waving it around.
I thought that too at first, but turns out that scene was filmed in an actual dorm at MIT. The building is called Simmons Hall, it's insane
I wonder if she lives in one of those rich/smart person college dorms. I also wonder if there’s a such thing as a “rich/smart person college dorm,” or if that’s just something I made up and am just assuming exists.
@@n0dash18 it absolutely exist pal, aswell as dorms less than the size of a taco bell bathroom
I love the "Fenty 440" joke. I would totally believe that if Rihanna wrote that joke cause into her contract when she decided to sing "Lift Me Up" for the soundtrack.
Literally laughed out loud at "unexpected wildlife." Great writing.
5:15 Why is Shuri needed to talk to Ross? Well, she *is* the one that directly saved his life and had the most (and most positive) interaction with him. It's likely her presence was necessary to subtly remind Ross of his feelings of debt to Wakanda.
They also needed to ask Ross about the “American scientist” that invented a vibranium detector for the CIA and he’s IN the CIA. They didn’t know it was a college kid yet
“Oh sh*t, she’s got an Ironman suit”
You can’t deny that is a funny line
That line is still funny. 😂😂
I just realized something:
The Vibranium in Talokan comes from the famous Yucatán Meteor Impact that created the underwater cave systems called the Cenotés. Clever.
Wouldn't that mean most of the Vibranium would be on land.
Rest in peace Chadwick Boseman, you will forever be remembered as Black Panther! ❤
his performance in Da 5 bloods is much better. that is what he should be remembered for
Wakanda Forever
@@frankunodostres473 9
@@frankunodostres473C’mon, Frank. That’d be like saying Christopher Reeve shouldn’t be remembered for Superman, his acting in The Remains of the Day was his finest.
@@salamisumo2 tbh you are right! What an underrated movie and performance
One complaint of mine is how does a college student make a vibranium detector despite having no vibranium to test it on
Why didn't the fish people just siren song their way to victory in the final battle? It seemed to work every other time so why not do that? The Wakanda army definitely didn't pack ear plugs for the battle so it should have been an easy W.
This is why it should have been putting people to sleep instead of suicide
Because plot.
One more plot hole in a weak story full of "'member this?" and "STUFF! THINGS!!!".
Why would you thingk they didn't pack earplugs? They all saw the siren thing working before, and they surely have some sort of super-vibranium-earplugs. They'd be stupid not to bring them.
Shuri and Riri(especially her) would've had a backup. Not to mention that Talakun or however you spell it did try it on Wakanda but that planned failed.
Not to mention that they were hyped up on revenge. But why siren song people when you have the literal home field advantage
Mbaku(?) wasn't "surprised" to see the fish man. He was keen to try and take him down, prove his strength, etc.
You say we all knew T'Challa would be dead, so the funeral was unnecessary, but, right after Chadwick Boseman's death, Marvel was saying they would not kill off T'Challa. I think the plan was more to have him go missing for some reason or another and for Shuri to just have to step up as Black Panther while he was gone (this kind of thing happens in the comics). So I actually was surprised when they showed funeral scenes in the teasers leading up to the movie's release.
Also, a movie can be around for much longer than the people that would remember that an actor died between the original and the sequel. So, it would have seemed a huge oversight to anyone that didn't know the meta reason why T'Challa had to die.
Yeah I think it would have been more of a sin to start this movie with a silent Chadwick Boseman Marvel logo and then the first scene of the movie be "well he's dead, so here we go..." and make nothing of it. Especially for the really emotionally invested fans, this movie felt like a helping hand to process the grief. (And before anyone says it's pathetic to feel that strongly for an actor/character, it's just human, like caring about a particular sports team or your friends who aren't blood relatives. Pretty much everyone has *something* they care about, outside of their immediate family etc.)
@@bobblebardsley either if they buried him or not he was going to sin it....it's called entertainment... The movie was a pack of horse manure and even if the first one was sht too this somehow managed to make it worse.
It’s goes completely against what the original film set up. The Black Panther is title that should be inherited through combat not by blood. Sheri had no right to be the next black panther. Just another case of Marvel going woke.
@@KhanMann66 His death was sudden, and not through combat. Not only that, but the whole country was in mourning, especially after the death of the queen. I don’t think there’d be an issue in allowing Shuri as the BP
T’Challa did not have to die.They could have recast.
Riri acknowledging that a member of the Wakandan royalty, a celebrity, a superhero and a personal hero of hers in shuri is in her room, then proceeding to threaten her with various objects and hand-waving away that this person is also telling her she is in danger.. that was a pretty big sin to me.. especially since we are meant to believe she is an unparalleled genius after that...
Right? How tf is she gonna be any version of IronMan? She doesn’t stand for shit… she didn’t mean shit to this entire movie…
Angela Bassett's performance in this movie....God tier. And, of course, R.I.P. Chadwick Boseman. Thank you for your contributions to the arts.
The honoring Chadwick and Angels Basset’s performance are the only good things in this mediocre movie
You mistake complete mediocrity with God tier?? Gtfoh!!
@Disabled.Megatron👍👍
however it pisses me off that she will go down in history as the first (and so far only) actor to get nominated for a mcu film. all I'm saying is RDJ, michael keaton, elizabeth olson or tom holland also deserved some recognition
@frank unodostres recognition for what?? These are garbage movies with nothing even close to good acting. Anything totally reliant on cgi and with horrible storylines shouldn't even be considered actual moviemaking. These are some of the worst acted things in history.
This did a nice tribute to T'Challa RIP Chadwick Boseman. Angela deserved a Oscar.
Angela Bassett: gives one of the greatest performance of her life and establishes herself as the best character in the MCU
Then immediately dies saving Ironheart (MCU quippy teenage genius number 5)
Also don't forget next Genius of Color MoonGirl
The best character in the mcu?
😂
I cant imagine the amount of bathsalts someone mother had to smoke while pregnant to birth a child that would think that, let alone make that statement.
"best character in the MCU"
alright, calm down
The different colors of the subtitles easily convey to the viewer what language is being spoken. Watching the movie, this was a super easy concept to pick up on, not sure why you felt the need to sin it
Thank you so much for removing a sin for the powerhouse performance that is Angela Bassett! She is incredible!
“The only thing I lost in Boston traffic is my patience” after all these years, y’all still got it, CinemaSins 😂
Honestly same
Wow, absolutely no commentary on Shuri's vision with Killmonger? I'm legitimately shocked. Even if the logic is "Well, it was an awesome scene, so it has no sins" you think it would be a moment where Jeremy takes a sin (or more) back.
It's still amazes me how damn good Angela Bassett is in her craft. I mean.. Damn. A powerful.. Powerful... Actress who commanded the screen everytime. Still sad that her and Chadwick couldn't share the screen again. A powerful actor gone too soon . Black panther movies have like the most amazing acting talent in any Marvel movies....
My biggest gripe about the movie was the Queen's emotional decisions. She's like, "My whole family is dead." Yet she knows about T'challa's son that's been kept secret. Made all her ranting and bickering, useless film filler. She lost her husband in the last movie, and she was stoic. She thought she lost her son, she was sad, but still proud and stoic. Like a Queen would be. But in this movie, she lashes out, becomes vengeful against people that's not even at fault, and does stupid decisions, to a point of, her death and the deaths of countless Wakandans. Makes her a terrible queen. And why they couldn't stop one flying man is just stupid as well. This movie nerfed the hell out of the Wakandans's superior technology and fighters.
Bro, who the actual fuck stays "stoic" when literally they keep losing loved ones?! And the line is "my entire family is GONE!" dumbass. I'll admit the movie has writing problems, but that scene was one of the scariest and saddest things I heard. Not only that, she actively questioning her own decisions and whether if the cost to her family was actually worth it.
"I am queen of the most powerful nation in the world, but my entire family... is gone!
"Have I not given everything?!"
My biggest gripe with this movie is that the latter half just feels like a shittier version of T'challa's journey in Civil War. Like a lot of the story beats are very similar if not exactly the same, a quick example being, Parent is killed, child is out for revenge, gives up on revenge at the last minute.
T'challa did it way better in Civil War.
Feels like as brilliant of a T'challa that Chadwick portrayed they should have just recast the role instead of changing the entire movie and handing us this hot mess.
The acting was great, Angela Bassett's performance literally gave me chills, it's the poor, rushed writing that lets it down majorly, from the hamfisted inclusion of Riri Williams to Shuri being Black Panther (Should have been either Okoye or M'Baku, Shuri is more tech savvy, more of a Wakandan Iron-Man, she simply doesn't have the skills to go toe to toe with Namor) .
Just overall a Mid movie, wasn't She-Hulk levels of terrible but wasn't the Masterpiece most people seem to believe it is. Meh/10
In the comics, Namor was stronger than The Thing from Fantastic Four and almost on par with Thor and the Hulk.
You would imagine that in Wakanda (a quasi utopian society) people might start to question whether an absolutist monarchy is the best form of rule after not just Queen Ramonda's questionable decisions but the whole of the first Black Panther movie where the only way to depose Killmonger as King was to incite a Civil War! Yet there is no consideration of reforming the constitution of Wakanda at any point (you could still retain the challenge system for the role of Black Panther since the King and Black Panther are not necessarily the same person - they weren't in CA:CW and it seems they won't be going forward either).
when does queen Ramonda lash out and become vengeful?
Succession rules in Wakanda: T’challa was Black Panther before he was king, though that was likely because his father the current king wasn’t in Black Panther condition anymore. The “king” mantle can be held by any eligible candidate from one of the Wakandan tribes. If T’Challa had been successfully bested by another challenger of royal blood the first time, he would have had to yield both mantles to that person and Killmonger would have arrived to find T’Challa wasn’t even king (though his goal was to harness vibranium for revenge purposes).
Apparently there had not been a challenge to succeed T’Challa in the year after his death and Ramonda was the Queen. Shuri ceded her claim to the throne to M’Baku and so he is challenging all comers to make it official while (presumably) allowing Shuri to remain Black Panther to continue her alliance with Namor and company.
2:55 actually, it's not unnecessary.
That is what siren song does.
RIGHT?!!!😂😂
I'm shocked Jeremy didn't mention the end credit scene or the fact that Killmonger showed up. This movie hit me hard, and I wasn't 100% ready for it when it came out. I was barely holding on before the end credit scene and that was enough to take me out
well would you say they are sins ? the point of the video is to point out sins, i would have been shocked if those scene appeared imo
15:29 Anderson cooper being cannon in the MCU makes me wonder if he was in Sokovia to report on Ultron
20:22 this type of houses are very stable because the river is calm most of the time, these houses exist in several places and only in cases of extreme storms and floods are they washed away by the river
2:45 mans openly admits hes never heard of the greek sirens before.
2:50 - My first impression watching this scene was that it was a heavy reference to siren songs, ya know, mermaid people who supposedly sing with voices so beautiful that seafaring men become hypnotized and throw themselves off ship into the water to try to get find them, only to drown in the cold or rough seas. It's a common phenomenon that pops up in a lot of folktales and mythology around the world as far back as ancient times
I didn't think this movie was the worst but it definitely couldn't beat the first one
Yeah but in Marvel’s defense this was definitely not the Black Panther 2 they wanted to make baring the unfortunate passing of Chadwick. I’m sure they had a whole nother script written that had to be thrown out and this one had to be written from the ground up.
Angela Bassett was unfairly robbed of her Oscar for this amazing performance.
Should have sinned the scene where the fish guy throws a couple of small water grenades in a huge ass room, and it fills it up just enough to drown the Queen. Just curious how like 200,000 gallons of water could fit in those small ass grenades.
Considering how hard it is to compress water
Namor literally has wings on his legs and you're wondering how water could fit in the grenades?? It's called a movie and not everything is realistic! Some things exist in the MCU that don't exist here and we don't need to try and rationalise EVERYTHING
@@ariwong7961 There are certain levels of stupid one is willing to accept for fiction movies. That absurd quantity of water being able to be fucking carried by hand in a tiny grenade is far, far past the acceptable level of stupid.
@@ariwong7961 Yes how does 200,000 gallons of water fit in a grenade and he be able to lift it? I'm sure if Sheri had said I am Black Iron Woman and snapped her fingers and all iron turned into vibranium, the Earth turning into an equitable socialist paradise, then the movie ended - you would have applauded and still said not everything has to be realistic.
And little wings on his feet looks hella gay.
Deus ex aqua grenade?
I wholly agree with the mic drop after an act of aggression line. It would have made total sense, that their next move after wakanda 100-percent shut them down, to then find an alternative source
I just want to know how deep that river in wakanda is for it to have whales transport the fish people and it go undetected in the most secure city in the world who just said to raise security because of Namor breaking in undetected the first time
That's a fair point, but I don't usually count things like that against world building or plot just because in this case we're immersed in fictional elements.
Like, Wakanda doesn't exist. There are enormous mile wide, or absurdly deep, rivers in real life, the deepest of which is in Africa. Who's to say what the characteristics of this river is?
The people of not-Atlantis-actually have advanced but undescribed Vibranium based technology as well, and built a clandestine civilization beneath the seas. Whose to say anti-sonar or whatever isn't trivial for them?
Neither fictional superhero monarchy or its culture or history actually exists. Whose to say what strategies of established defense they've prioritized or developed?
Of course, I do know what channel I'm on. 🤷♂️
@@onemllnonetoone I’m just saying, if I just pissed off a bunch of people that live in the water, I’m gonna make sure that the one way they can possibly come in is blocked by a shield or heavily guarded 🤷♂️
Especially since how paranoid they are about outsiders coming into wakanda. It just makes zero sense and a guy who sat down and watched the movie can easily think of a way to stop it, the most scientifically advanced society in the world should be able to
@@RyanWood24
Again, not arguing that isn't a fair point, we're just imagining reasonable, or unreasonable things however we want that could have been done.
Like, think about the real world; what type of submersibles could a Wakanda possibly have to worry about in their rivers? Some sonar and some guns was probably all they needed until a fishman popped out of a lake and told them they have an army of unknown size, armaments, and abilities to worry about.
If the queen gave you a week to defend Wakanda's waterways from invasion, and sonar evidently didn't work, whatcha gonna do? Dam an apparently enormous river system and flood the place? Cut off the freshwater supply to a major city? Setup a checkpoint that can be overwhelmed or subverted offscreen?
Or maybe you're right and nothing was done, because it's a movie where if it isn't explicitly described it doesn't exist. 🤷♂️
@@katanaryo6718
I truly don't remember the whales in the rivers. Yada yada, something something, giant whale rebreathers or whatever. Lmao.
Anyway, whales breathe air. Saltwater has nothing to do with it.
There was literally a line stating reinforce the shield underwater.
But then they just get through so unbelievably easily that border patrol never even saw them? No alerts that the barrier was damaged or gone, no surveillance underwater, nothing.
I actually loved hearing Shuri and Okoye discussing makeup shade. Fenty started a cosmetic revolution by proving that if you provide the supply of diverse shades and undertones, people will buy it. There weren’t as many options beforehand and now nearly every brand is releasing products to compete. Fenty went through great pains to develop a formula that worked for everyone and it’s nice to see the gratefulness felt by many irl be acknowledged by two of the most powerful Black women in the MCU. ❤
Damn. I never realized it until now, but you're right: Those WERE the last words she said to her mother @ 14:41. Ouch 💔. As someone who lost both parents recently, that hurts a bit.
I am sorry for your loss.
@@rkah6187 Thank you.
Rest In Peace, Chadwick Boseman.
💜🖤🐈⬛🐾
*Barely grazes paper*
“DONT TOUCH ANYTHING!!!” 😂
I think Wakanda forgot they have their own prison system that they could lock the people up for trying to steal Vibranium. Didn't Klaw showed the Wakandian prison tattoo in Age of Ultron?
There definitely should’ve been sims removed for:
- Nakia switching from Spanish to the indigenous language
- Shuri seeing Killmonger
- The costuming
- And several more removed for the acting in the scene between the Queen and Okoye…🔥🔥🔥
14:44 never realized that omg😭😭😮
13:30 If I can't point you to a Marvel TV show, can I point you to the Black Widow after credits scene? Lol
*kicks you in the testicles for smartassery* 😂
@@zom8680 🤣
Oddly enough, the one soldier going “Oh shit she got an iron man suit!” was the funniest part of the movie.
She doesn’t even deserve to be Ironman. The way she was written was lazy and she shouldn’t have even been in this movie.
Huge fan of the channel for years, I would just like to point out that there are myth about Siren luring sailors into jumping into the ocean with their songs, so I guess the movie just wanted to mirror that story？
Yep. That's why they didn't put them to sleep. That's not what sirens do.
finally found the comment I was looking for
Not to mention trying to lure super rich ducks.
_"Pennies, nickles, quarters, dimes. Come to us while there's still time!"_
30 years later and I still remember that chant. 😂
No comments on Michael B Jordan or T'challas son ??? Wth
That Mission Impossible joke got me laughing so damn hard
16:51 i mean
100,000 kids left to put those orbs in random sequences, even if we dont recognize it one of em prolly "made" something that would "cure" cancer or be a step towards understanding and fighting the blanket term that is cancer
The colour of subs is really a part of communication. Now we not only know what is said, but also know the language that was used and consequentially who could understand it among the people present and who couldn't. Quite ingenious, really.
@16:12 “ He did not.” *DING*
I shouldn’t be as weak as I am at that sin 😂😂😂
forgot about the part where Namor could have easily went to the water and get his powers back, but instead he decided to punch shuri a bit more in his weakened state.
I literally just commented the same thing.
I feel like people go easy on critiquing this movie solely for the death of Chadwick boseman, and claim it to be one of the best MCU movies even though there are tons of issues with the movie. I loved the first black panther and it’s top 10 MCU for me but this one really dropped the ball. The movie was way too long, tried to have jokes that weren’t even funny at all, and namor is a fundamentally flawed villain. He made no sense.
12:06 apparently I have a lot of gripe with this movie I did not know I had. BUT, “the surface people have conquered and enslaved people like us” when you had the technology, power, and apparently the army needed to defend said people but instead chose to hide your nation and let the people like you suffer says more about Talokan and Wakanda than it says about the rest of the world. Like they could’ve destroyed the colonial powers at literally any point in time before the a bomb dropped and decided to wait until the former colonial powers had enough technology to fight back to make a move? Dammit movie!
That's literally what the last movie was about bro 😭
So the jumping into the water thing I think is meant to be a reference/explanation for sirens and mermaids in our folklore as they sing luring those at see into the water.
Honestly, T'Challa dying of a disease should be a sin itself. The powers he got from the herb to be Black Panther included enhanced healing which is up to a super soldier. So, he shouldn't be sick. But, there's a disease that not even his healing factor could protect him from?
That's a big deal, cause other enhanced people could catch that disease too and die from it. But, we don't know how he caught it nor where it came from. Hell, we don't even know if it'll be brought up again in another movie.
Also, in Civil War, they have those cryo chambers that they used to put Bucky on ice. Why couldn't they do that to T'Challa until Shuri found the cure?
Because they were dead set on killing the character T'Challa. So every decision afterwards made zero sense.
@@rockb922 Yup, regardless of how illogical their reasoning is and how many logical and canon ways people have for saving/preserving T'Challa, he was always doomed...just because.
@rockb922 If so, why not have T'Challa die in battle? Sacrificing himself to protect his family, his home, and people, going out like a warrior?
It's simple, because NO ONE would ever be okay with someone else ever being T'Challa , The Black Panther mantel could be given/earned to another, but no one can replace Mr. Boswick - so putting him "on ice" instead of allowing all fans to mourn the loss T'Challa is also allowing us to mourn the loss of Mr. Boswick.
@@kathycournoyer5868 Then they should've had him die in battle instead of coming up with the disease that raises more questions and plotholes. And, I'd be okay if T'Challa got recasted cause I like the Black Panther and don't want his story to end. There have been many people who played Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, but Black Panther should be played by only one person?
Just went to the doctor last week-- my blood pressure was indeed perfect 120/80.
This is the one brag about my health I have 😂
I saw this opening week in the EMAX
when the Marvel logo rolled the whole packed theater went dead silent it was chilling
What happened to T'Challa was extremely important in this film. Not addressing Chadwick Boseman's absence would have been a much greater sin
They literally did by changing the A enters opening to ALL BPs scenes. It was enough of a tribute we didn’t need an entire ass scene with sister trying to SAVE him… we fucking knew he died… the funeral was overkill
19:46 One sin for CinemaSins for not saying, "Roll Credits".
The SpongeBob pelvic thrust at the end had me in stitches 😂😂😂😂
12:46 - Sinning the Sin Guy for saying "wavering nation" when (I'm guessing) he meant "neighbourng nation."
13:38 - Sinning the Sin Guy for asking a question he admits he knows the answer to and then threatening anyone who points him to said answer. (And anyway, she was also in another movie, BLACK WIDOW, not just in the FALCON/SOLDIER tv show.)
4:38 as a physics/aerospace engineering major, I can confirm- that’s a big NOPE.
0:59 we don’t need a close-up on France and America to find out if they’re the worst already
I was waiting for Cinema Sins to talk about how Nakia rescued Shuri and Riri by coming out of the water, and in the very next scene when the Queen is reunited with Shuri, they are not wet. Not even damp. Or a towel. The pacing of Nakia's rescuing is my biggest problem with the movie
Vice President Elaine lmao. To be fair, her first appearance was in fact not a show, but Black Widow
Well, she did appear in a show, but as a different character, awkward
@@karenwoulfe5999 um nope. She's been the same character in all three productions. Awkward🥴
6:37 THIS is a perfect explanation for one of the many problems plaguing the newer MCU movies.
No actually this is a real life thing now Jeremy is a white man like I’m guessing you are to and us black people joke what each other even at inappropriate times it’s called bashing or as us young folks call it roasting she called her head ashy you probably don’t get the context but it’s something we say all the time this movie was mad by a black director an has an almost completely black cast there gonna be in jokes and I see your apart of the marvel under cuts serious moments with joke well then what about infinity war where everyone was joking back to back during a fight for the universe
Jeremy hearing them pronounce it as Shuri constantly during the film, but choosing to pronounce it like Cherie is really grinding my gears
Thank you. It was like he has to be doing this as a joke or something, but there was no punchline.
Who?
@@andrews5236 not sure if you’re asking who Shuri is (the main character in the film), or who Jeremy is (the cinemasins guy)
I figured it was his regional accent as he is from Tennessee
@@denyol2846 who … gives a fuck
2:46 the Mayan afterlife Talokan is loosely based is supposedly reached only by those who die by drowing. It's also likely inspired by the stories of sirens in Greek mythology who would hypnotize sailors until they dash their boats or just drown overboard. Odysseus survived hearing their song and they ended up drowing themselves. Namora's headress is also made of something resembling bird feathers... possibly a siren reference as well since they were said to be half woman and half bird.
Singers that lure seafarers to their deaths is not only in Greek mythology, that’s just the one most Europe audiences are most familiar with. There are Asian, African and Indigenous variations on ocean temptresses
@@mikeljackson9192 Yes this is true. Just answering Jeremy's "sin" at this part of the video.
But the sin wasn't "Why are the ocean people suicide-drowning people", it was "Why have the screenwriters decided to make the ocean people, who will supposedly face no consequence for their actions by the end of the movie and who are also supposed to be sympathetic villains, suicide-drowning people, when there was no need for such an uncomfortable imagery and, the first time that happens, to kill people in the first place?"
The silence during the tribute intro to Chadwick Boseman was incredible... Everywhere I read that their theater was dead silent during it. Worldwide...
the commentary at 18:55 killed me🤣🤣🤣🤣
6:54 All the human girls in MARVEL tinker with the QUANTUM REALM for fun! They should pay the fans every time a young woman in the MCU uses the word "quantum"! Didn't even catch it, when RIRI said this.
What about Hank Pym or Bill Foster or Darren Cross? Just the women huh?
Do you just put the word quantum in front of everything?
Love how his last sin is "don't breath that"
Imagine how different the Black Panther movies will be if they got the rights to use storm.
I appreciate yall waiting awhile before releasing this. respect.
Don't Hug Me I'm Scared is a masterpiece
Immediately after tchallas death Wakanda immediately ignores the opening of Wakanda to the world because reasons…
4:18 Also Also, she's part of her culture. She knows how the funeral process works. That's pretty basic in a culture.
Chadwick’s intro was the best part of this movie. I should have left the theatre after that.
FACTS 💯
So, Riri was able to slap an iron suit together during her college in a couple months at MIT but it took Tony Stark years to start developing just the Arc Reactor?. Is she a mutant too, with hyper intelligence? Or is it another way to establish the Women Are Better at Everything trope?
Who tf knows 😂
It's been almost 20 years in-universe since Tony Stark developed the arc reactor- I'm gonna guess it's way easier to make that tech now
@@zurirobinson2749That logic is absurd. That’s not how technology works. It never just “gets easier to make”
@@shadowhawkrine1947 I mean that she had a blueprint for how to make an Iron Man suit. Tony didn't because he was the inventor. It's easier to copy something someone else has already done.
@@zurirobinson2749 She in fact, did not. That was the entire purpose of Iron Man 2 for crying out loud. Nobody has blueprints for an iron man suit anymore, I would be surprised if Tony hadn’t left a self destruct sequence to occur upon his death for all information of his technology.
It’s not easy to copy what someone else has done because you only see the result. They just made her smart to make her smart
Jeremy repeatedly pronouncing "Shuri" to rhyme with "Chim-chim-cheree". **DING!**
Breaking the previous king's promise to share their country's wealth and technology with other nations, hacking the UN, trying to keep other countries away from vibranium that is not even in Wakanda & which they have no claim to, kidnapping a child from an allied nation and refusing to even let her call her mother...Queen Ramonda is the villain in this movie, and nobody (including the screenwriters & director) seems to be aware of that.
I would argue that the one threatening/planning war against the world and killing a ton of innocent people is the villain. I'd more attribute the title of poor decision maker to the queen.
Uh, the queen did not try to keep others away from a vibranium, and she also didn't kidnap a child. Both of those were done by Namor's people. I'd also don't know what you are referencing by hacking the UN.
While they may not be the main villains. It's extremely hard to fit them into the good guys category.
This movie didn't deserve ANY awards except MAYBE soundtrack and costume design.
The scene with Riri in the dorm is not a problem with tone that scene is realist asf as all black people know no matter how grim a situation is there’s always time to clown someone
Exactly! Even in fear we gone roast! If imma go out might as well crack some jokes
I don't think you should speak for all black ppl as in serious situations, I don't clown...
THANK YOU!
EXACTLY
Namor desire to kill Riri makes no sense. For a starter, she isn't even a scientist. She is a 19-year-old college kid. She isn't even old enough to drink. She didn't even build the machine. It was just a design that the military stole from her. She wasn't even planning on building it. The military already has the designs and can build more. So the damage is done. So killing her would be pointless and petty. How did Namor even find all this out? Does he have underwater computer hackers? I mean they are using whales as transportation. Doesn't scream technologically advanced to me.
3:46 No, they're just trying to act like everything from Wakanda is better. It's kinda my issue with this whole nation, but it's really taken up a notch in the MCU. The technology we have came from centuries of exchanging ideas and inventions, these guys have a space rock. If it came with a spaceship and and super simple tutorials, I could probably buy it easier, but they just built way better computers everything cause of a piece of stone.
I get that. One country can have a guy inventing the steam engine, while another can give false identities to slave exploiting Nazis, so they can work on rocket tech.
its the mary sue of countries
you did not just besmirch the fine art cultural phenomenon that is "Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared". Of all the years I've watched your channel, this is the first time I've ever been taken aback by something you've said in one of your videos.
7:19 LMFAOOOOOOOO I used to watch that when I was like 10
Misinterpreting the ankle wings as “shoe fish”. Idk how to describe it, but that brings me joy