Nora looks like Santa 🎅🏻 with her pouches full! When they were on the top of the hill, I was glad to at least see her protecting her baby from rolling down the hill. Sweet baby!
3:05 to 3:15 - looks like Nora didn’t know what to make of you filming her right then. I love seeing their expressions and interactions. It’s helped me understand my own animals (I have dogs, sugar gliders, chinchillas, a bunny, and a cat) ‘language’ toward myself and each other so much more. Its fascinating and it’s helped me in attempting to interpret my own pet’s behaviors and communication.
As long as she allows baby constant clingy cuddling at this age, the baby will form secure attachment to be a functionaltroop member. Even if milk is highly controlled, its fine (unless she doesnt feed her for days which clearly isnt the case). Alot of the ltm moms do this too. it Is the maternal acceptance/rejection in terms of clinging, that influences whether the baby develops into a securely confident and curious lil monk, or has problems because it felt insecure about its mothers bonding.
She might just have very sensitive and painful nipples, I had that breastfeeding my kid and I only had to feed every 3-4 hours not 24/7, it can be very hard for some moms, even monkeys
She doesn’t realize that constantly pulling the poor baby off her nipples is only making them worse and baby is so frantic for milk that baby is going to latch on even harder!!!!
First let me start by saying you want to see a person doing great video work on Snow Monkeys of Japan his name is Kyio. He does such a great job and does not interfere or feed these monkeys he has a few favs but does not make them his pet it is because they are the strong female leaders in fact the top female raised two babies last year one was not hers and compared to these lazy monkeys she did a great job if you don't know they live in the mountains and get a lot of snow and very cold weather and food is hard to find. So of course this baby is healthy not skin and bones so getting plenty of moms milkshake but you will get the menopause troop all in a tiff and the brain-dead to think she is horrible, and they will say things like " I hate her" she needs to be marked and not have babies" and of course "take her baby away" as I'm sure this is what they want to raise these creatures in their home, not knowing how awful pets they make and is why so many bring them back to temples to get rid of them.. Stop making it as if they do not know how to raise a baby they are monkeys and it is not your job to question a mother monkey just document them and how they live and all the crazy stuff they do as they are not the soft cuddly creatures that people think but the opposite they are mean and live in a world where there are top monkeys and low monkeys and no human can change it along with crazy monkeys..
@Brad Canning I disagree. At least with the Cambodian crowd you know a lot of them are nuts and to be ignored. The Arroz mafia feel so empowered and self-assured to make their insane assertions.
Who are you to judge what we say and think. Go watch your snow monkeys and we will watch and comment how we see fit. I didn't see any comments that anyone wanted to raise one in their home. We are entitled to our opinion. People who have these channels run them how they see fit and if you dont like one then watch another one but dont go on this long tirade about how you know what we should be watching. We are educated adults who can make those decisions for ourselves. So you just go sit down somewhere and mind your own business. Thanks
@@kellywood354 well at least animals don’t resort to aborting their babies for moms own convenience, killing your own iflesh blood nside womb is just vile when so many people would love to adopt. My ma have 10 kids of course life wasn’t easy but my parents managed, I’m grateful. No excuse of Killing a human life .
The baby looks healthy and alert! She !just be nursing on a schedule! Thanks Uncle Arroz for another great video! Stay safe. We are experiencing a virus blowback here in the states.
Brenda Joyce White, I agree because according to published documentation. Some mothers don't realize their babies may nurse for long periods of time but hardly get any milk. A teaspoon or less I was so shocked! Many go hungry and physically suffer. But as an animal mom doesn't realize her baby is actually starving.
@@brendajoycewhite5747 Nora is the Alpha Female for her troop. There is no higher ranking females to step in. That’s what’s so tragic about her behavior. This isn’t the first infant she neglected and abused until it’s death.
11:00 it’s funny how they get so sleepy nursing. I wonder if they are just sleepy already and the warmth and comfort of having mom with a full belly of milk just lets them let go and fall asleep or I know they there is tryptophan in milk too so that might add to their sleepiness haha.
At last, Nora's little girl got to nurse! Turns out she's not a bad mother after all; I knew her maternal instincts would kick in, sooner or later. 🐵🐵🐵🐒🐒🐒🇬🇧🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇸
Very Interesting. She got some goodies for her pouches and then baby got permission to nurse. Looks like baby is ok for now. Great investigative videography Arozz
I noticed that too. Do you know if that’s a pattern for Nora? I discovered this channel a few months before baby season last year and initially focused on getting to know Our Gang. I didn’t have a firm grasp on the moms in other troops so I don’t remember Nora’s habits. Gypsy usually won’t allow her baby to nurse until she’s eaten and I thought that might be due to her low status, she’s hungry more often than higher rankers and needs to take in some energy before she can give it out. But that theory is blown if matriarch Nora does it too! Another possibility, there’s been discussions that both Nora and Gypsy may suffer from a macaque version of postpartum depression. If so maybe waiting to nurse until after eating is related to that, perhaps a hormonal imbalance or something similar. Was Celessa Nora’s baby last year and Cessa (who didn’t survive) the year before? I really liked Celessa, she was super energetic she stood out for me the most from Nora’s troop.
Sure is tuff on her baby. I don’t see much baby milk fat on baby. Acts like real hunger is a problem.think she has little natural motherhood instincts in her or just don’t care about the baby. I see a skinny undernourished baby with hidden problems I don’t know about. I see the moms her are normally the greatest mothers. Mom is acting more like the Cambodian mothers. Mom your baby needs the milk real bad. Think you could give up eating for about 30 minutes and nurse your off spring. Think she has a bad food addiction that over ride feeding her bad natural motherhood instincts?
There's nothing wrong with the baby. You are reading to much into what is going on. I'm sure this is nothing compared to what's going to happen when she starts weening her.
Im2CuteSoSueMe Notes is one of the few who actually abuse her infants. I wrote this last week: Child abuse is rare among rhesus macaques but it happens. Some researcher studied this among free ranging rhesus macaques divided the abuse into different categories. The anise is not only performed by the mother, sometimes it can be another adult doing it. Like Bossy throwing and biting spunky and Spocky. Dragging The mother drags her infant by its tail or leg while walking or running. Crushing The mother pushes her infant against the ground with both hands. Throwing The mother throws her infant at a short distance with one hand while standing or walking. Slapping The mother violently slaps her infant with one hand or arm. Biting Stepping or sitting on The mother steps on her infant with one foot or both feet, or sits on her infant. Dangling/dropping The mother climbs a tree or fence and holds her infant by its tail or leg or drops her infant on the ground. Rough grooming The mother pulls her infant's hair or otherwise roughly grooms it causing distress calls. Stretching The mother holds her infant by its arms and/or legs and stretches it. Somersaulting The mother runs and somersaults with her infant clinging to her chest. Infant dragging was the most frequent infant abuse pattern, followed by crushing, throwing, biting, hitting and stepping/sitting on the infant. Other less frequent patterns accounted for about 10 % of all abuse events. Nothing was never as severe as to require intervention for medical treatment. It did show though that the kortisol level was higher among the abused infants that could affect the immune defense in the future. Child abuse when it's happens it's often during the child's first months, often the first week and than decreases. Abuse events doesn't last more than a few seconds at time. Juvenile and adult females often approached the abusive mother and her infant and attempted to touch and retrieve the screaming infant. They also groom the abused infants more and harass them less than non-abused infants in the first month, the period when there abuse was most frequent. The above is a little problematic because it's the alpha Nora doing the abuse. Thankfully Nan can protect the child. I can see tension in Nora's troop whenever she starts to abusive her infant and it look likes a lot of them in the troop has a lot to say but doesn't dare because of Nora's ranking. It's been documented that the alpha male in one troop approached and mounted the abusive mother. What I've missed are studies to why it happens at all. Why does infants get abused most of the time during the first week in life or in the first week and then decreases over a time span of a month? Logically it should have something to do with the chemical imbalances that can happen in a female bodies after giving birth. So I believe it could be some kind of postnatal depression going on. 🤓🏴☠️🇸🇪
@M L Once again, YOU DID NOT CITE A SOURCE. I have worked with Macaques for decades in SE Asia and US academia and can tell you “child abuse” and “postpartum depression” are HUMAN conditions, not in wild animals. This is human projection.
I think it might be where they had to shave a spot to administer a birth control shot. I know there's other places with large concentrations of monkeys to help control their breeding cycles. Or at least slow it down
Well she's alert and active seems strong, she feeds more then we see at the end here. Her mom is just mean poor baby. The way she is latched on and guzzling she waited a long time for her milk her little face is in bliss.
I'm relieved to see that Nora's baby is in good condition and is being fed. Maybe if I had not witnessed Tina's last 3 babies go through far worse, I'd have harsher feelings for Nora but I've been shown that things could much, much worse.
Thank God for that!! If you look at Celessa and Nick you will see they're not that big..i think its because they don't have free access to the milk bar..look at Bubby..she was miles bigger than her contemporaries..might be a bit of post natal depression or just sore nips at the beginning or maybe she's starting them out with the school if hard knocks programme because hers us only a small troop out there and they need their wits about them..but whatever it is at least baby is getting some food now..hopefully it continues and she is more careful with her..unlike poor Cessa 🇬🇧🙊🐒🐵🙉🙈😎👏👏👏👍
Nora is not a very good mother she's not very compassionate she just she's not a good mom at all she don't try to help the baby she don't it's just pulled away from the baby she don't want her to nurse terrible she she's one of the ones that I think that they are the fixed instead of the ones that they do fix and you know they want babies
Seems to me that most moms don't like their babies to nurse while they are eating. Once she was done eating, Nora let the baby eat. Norma needs more food!!
@@busyramone5586 you, just like every other person on the planet, has no factual idea what animals do and do not feel. Humans can only speculate from observations of behaviors that we assign as characteristic to a certain emotion but those are based upon our own descriptors for our own feelings. Until a monkey can effectively communicate to humans that they do or do not feel what we describe as love, we cannot know one way or the other.
I’ve never seen a Rhesus Macaque behave this way with a baby. The baby fusses, she rolls it around, and brings it back up to her face. Is she cuddling the newborns?
Nora is one of few who abuses her infants. This is what I wrote last week to a video: Child abuse is rare among rhesus macaques but it happens. Some researcher studied this among free ranging rhesus macaques divided the abuse into different categories. The anise is not only performed by the mother, sometimes it can be another adult doing it. Like Bossy throwing and biting spunky and Spocky. Dragging The mother drags her infant by its tail or leg while walking or running. Crushing The mother pushes her infant against the ground with both hands. Throwing The mother throws her infant at a short distance with one hand while standing or walking. Slapping The mother violently slaps her infant with one hand or arm. Biting Stepping or sitting on The mother steps on her infant with one foot or both feet, or sits on her infant. Dangling/dropping The mother climbs a tree or fence and holds her infant by its tail or leg or drops her infant on the ground. Rough grooming The mother pulls her infant's hair or otherwise roughly grooms it causing distress calls. Stretching The mother holds her infant by its arms and/or legs and stretches it. Somersaulting The mother runs and somersaults with her infant clinging to her chest. Infant dragging was the most frequent infant abuse pattern, followed by crushing, throwing, biting, hitting and stepping/sitting on the infant. Other less frequent patterns accounted for about 10 % of all abuse events. Nothing was never as severe as to require intervention for medical treatment. It did show though that the kortisol level was higher among the abused infants that could affect the immune defense in the future. Child abuse when it's happens it's often during the child's first months, often the first week and than decreases. Abuse events doesn't last more than a few seconds at time. Juvenile and adult females often approached the abusive mother and her infant and attempted to touch and retrieve the screaming infant. They also groom the abused infants more and harass them less than non-abused infants in the first month, the period when there abuse was most frequent. The above is a little problematic because it's the alpha Nora doing the abuse. Thankfully Nan can protect the child. I can see tension in Nora's troop whenever she starts to abusive her infant and it look likes a lot of them in the troop has a lot to say but doesn't dare because of Nora's ranking. It's been documented that the alpha male in one troop approached and mounted the abusive mother. What I've missed are studies to why it happens at all. Why does infants get abused most of the time during the first week in life or in the first week and then decreases over a time span of a month? Logically it should have something to do with the chemical imbalances that can happen in a female bodies after giving birth. So I believe it could be some kind of postnatal depression going on. 🤓🏴☠️🇸🇪
M L thank you for this, I like seeing more Intellectual comments like yours other then, “oh she’s a horrible mother/take her baby away”. It seems to possibly be something similar to postpartum depression(baby blues) in humans, after a while they start letting off... ps Hormones are a B!7CH while pregnant/ postpartum
@M L Stop with this junk science. TH-cam viewership does not a behavioral scientist make. Child abuse and “postnatal depression” are human projection. Please don’t spread this misguided information.
Poor baby... I wonder if breastfeeding is painful for her or she just has him on a certain feeding schedule.. She could just be a strict parent & trying to set down some rules early so the baby knows he can only nurse when she says so and not when he wants..
I don't think she can schedule, because monkeys can't tell time. She has to nurse or will become engorged with milk if she doesn't breastfeed, which hurts, if she's getting adequate food and liquids. the infant stimulates milk production by suckling. however if she's not eating and drinking enough she will dry up. baby sucks and sucks to get more and nipples get sore.
Some have theorized Nora has mastisis, she usually only nurses for long periods if she's eating to distract from the pain. It could also have to do with trauma from losing a previous baby.
Well still alive that's a good sign. You can really see the abuse in the babies sunk in eyes, yes the baby is being fed but not enough. It will be interesting to see what becomes of this little girl, can see the bite marks on her forehead this little girl has been roughed up, but ya I think she will live.
@Em That is correct. Look at Amara, Amari to Lori even back to Jill, and Dolly. Daisy is no great mother either. So when you look at in that context Matriarchs seem to struggle with motherhhood.
@@kelpiemare7522 Well no I can't agree with that. I see some great mothers in the monkey world and the human world. But like the human world where Queen's have kids who seem to struggle, so goes the monkey world. Look at Nora on the Arroz channel who is a terrible mother perhaps about to lose her baby while her sister Norma and her baby are thriving together.
I just love your guys feeding system. It really works for you guys and the monkeys. Love to know more about it and wished the Cambodian people would use your system I but I’m sure the moms would most likely start eating their babies due to their uncontrollable food addiction.
In the good ole dayz moms were instructed to put their screaming babies in their crib and close the door ion them until they shut up (as long as they have been fed, burped and are not in a dirty diaper). Looks like this one is fed and cared for and Nora doesn’t want it hanging on her teat constantly. Good for you Nora
It’s a wild animal it isn’t “good or bad” it doesn’t have morals! It sounds insane when people say monkeys are mean” bad moms like there is a monkey child protective service 😂 Crazy old women
Nora looks like Santa 🎅🏻 with her pouches full!
When they were on the top of the hill, I was glad to at least see her protecting her baby from rolling down the hill.
Sweet baby!
Poor little thing...you could see by her sinking eyes that she wasn't to be long in this world.
Noras baby isn't gripping ahold of her with it's back feet , I wonder why ? Poor thing , hope it makes it
Arroz, you get amazing shots with your camera . Very nice.
3:05 to 3:15 - looks like Nora didn’t know what to make of you filming her right then. I love seeing their expressions and interactions. It’s helped me understand my own animals (I have dogs, sugar gliders, chinchillas, a bunny, and a cat) ‘language’ toward myself and each other so much more. Its fascinating and it’s helped me in attempting to interpret my own pet’s behaviors and communication.
As long as she allows baby constant clingy cuddling at this age, the baby will form secure attachment to be a functionaltroop member. Even if milk is highly controlled, its fine (unless she doesnt feed her for days which clearly isnt the case). Alot of the ltm moms do this too. it
Is the maternal acceptance/rejection in terms of clinging, that influences whether the baby develops into a securely confident and curious lil monk, or has problems because it felt insecure about its mothers bonding.
She might just have very sensitive and painful nipples, I had that breastfeeding my kid and I only had to feed every 3-4 hours not 24/7, it can be very hard for some moms, even monkeys
That is what I was thinking and I felt bad for her-
She doesn’t realize that constantly pulling the poor baby off her nipples is only making them worse and baby is so frantic for milk that baby is going to latch on even harder!!!!
Nora is just not a good mom
Nora is known for not being a good mother..
I sure do appreciate the commentary :)
First let me start by saying you want to see a person doing great video work on Snow Monkeys of Japan his name is Kyio. He does such a great job and does not interfere or feed these monkeys he has a few favs but does not make them his pet it is because they are the strong female leaders in fact the top female raised two babies last year one was not hers and compared to these lazy monkeys she did a great job if you don't know they live in the mountains and get a lot of snow and very cold weather and food is hard to find. So of course this baby is healthy not skin and bones so getting plenty of moms milkshake but you will get the menopause troop all in a tiff and the brain-dead to think she is horrible, and they will say things like " I hate her" she needs to be marked and not have babies" and of course "take her baby away" as I'm sure this is what they want to raise these creatures in their home, not knowing how awful pets they make and is why so many bring them back to temples to get rid of them.. Stop making it as if they do not know how to raise a baby they are monkeys and it is not your job to question a mother monkey just document them and how they live and all the crazy stuff they do as they are not the soft cuddly creatures that people think but the opposite they are mean and live in a world where there are top monkeys and low monkeys and no human can change it along with crazy monkeys..
Some people just can't watch wildlife. Arroz's channel is nothing compared to the menopause mafia in the Cambodian channels.
True that🤣👍🏽
@Brad Canning I disagree. At least with the Cambodian crowd you know a lot of them are nuts and to be ignored. The Arroz mafia feel so empowered and self-assured to make their insane assertions.
Who are you to judge what we say and think. Go watch your snow monkeys and we will watch and comment how we see fit. I didn't see any comments that anyone wanted to raise one in their home. We are entitled to our opinion. People who have these channels run them how they see fit and if you dont like one then watch another one but dont go on this long tirade about how you know what we should be watching. We are educated adults who can make those decisions for ourselves. So you just go sit down somewhere and mind your own business. Thanks
Glenda Anderson Who are you to question our ability to make a comment or think for ourselves?
Im so happy humans have birth control- even though some should use it that don’t!😝
Unfortunately these poor creatures don’t have that choice x we also have the abortion choice aswel x as a last resort x
@@kellywood354 well at least animals don’t resort to aborting their babies for moms own convenience, killing your own iflesh blood nside womb is just vile when so many people would love to adopt. My ma have 10 kids of course life wasn’t easy but my parents managed, I’m grateful. No excuse of Killing a human life .
So glad to see Nora becomes a better mom,
Rozy had the right idea!
Norma and Nora have cute babies 😍😍😍❤️💕
So happy to see that ☺ ❤
Arroz, great video with a great camera. Thank you for sharing!
The baby looks healthy and alert! She !just be nursing on a schedule! Thanks Uncle Arroz for another great video! Stay safe. We are experiencing a virus blowback here in the states.
Thats an understatement.
This monkey babies don't want schedule.
Norma's baby looks very exotic! Beautiful!
Norma is so good with her babies whereas Nora sucks!!!! They all have different personalities that’s for sure!!!!
The baby seems very strong. Likely when Nora sleeps it will nurse unimpeeded.
One of the higher ranking mom's should hit her. Take this baby away.
Hope you are right. I dislike these type of mothers.
Brenda Joyce White, I agree because according to published documentation. Some mothers don't realize their babies may nurse for long periods of time but hardly get any milk. A teaspoon or less I was so shocked! Many go hungry and physically suffer. But as an animal mom doesn't realize her baby is actually starving.
@@brendajoycewhite5747 Nora is the Alpha Female for her troop. There is no higher ranking females to step in. That’s what’s so tragic about her behavior. This isn’t the first infant she neglected and abused until it’s death.
11:00 it’s funny how they get so sleepy nursing. I wonder if they are just sleepy already and the warmth and comfort of having mom with a full belly of milk just lets them let go and fall asleep or I know they there is tryptophan in milk too so that might add to their sleepiness haha.
Having to fight for their meals lol they need a nap after. This young they should nurse and nap regularly.
At last, Nora's little girl got to nurse! Turns out she's not a bad mother after all; I knew her maternal instincts would kick in, sooner or later. 🐵🐵🐵🐒🐒🐒🇬🇧🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇸
Very Interesting. She got some goodies for her pouches and then baby got permission to nurse. Looks like baby is ok for now. Great investigative videography Arozz
I noticed that too. Do you know if that’s a pattern for Nora? I discovered this channel a few months before baby season last year and initially focused on getting to know Our Gang. I didn’t have a firm grasp on the moms in other troops so I don’t remember Nora’s habits.
Gypsy usually won’t allow her baby to nurse until she’s eaten and I thought that might be due to her low status, she’s hungry more often than higher rankers and needs to take in some energy before she can give it out. But that theory is blown if matriarch Nora does it too! Another possibility, there’s been discussions that both Nora and Gypsy may suffer from a macaque version of postpartum depression. If so maybe waiting to nurse until after eating is related to that, perhaps a hormonal imbalance or something similar.
Was Celessa Nora’s baby last year and Cessa (who didn’t survive) the year before? I really liked Celessa, she was super energetic she stood out for me the most from Nora’s troop.
Glad to see.😊🎊🎉🎂🎭 happy
This is so adorable!!❤️❤️
Sure is tuff on her baby. I don’t see much baby milk fat on baby. Acts like real hunger is a problem.think she has little natural motherhood instincts in her or just don’t care about the baby. I see a skinny undernourished baby with hidden problems I don’t know about. I see the moms her are normally the greatest mothers. Mom is acting more like the Cambodian mothers. Mom your baby needs the milk real bad. Think you could give up eating for about 30 minutes and nurse your off spring. Think she has a bad food addiction that over ride feeding her bad natural motherhood instincts?
I hope Nora's baby hasn't suffered any neurological problems from all that shaking and body slamming. Time will tell.
There's nothing wrong with the baby. You are reading to much into what is going on. I'm sure this is nothing compared to what's going to happen when she starts weening her.
Im2CuteSoSueMe
Notes is one of the few who actually abuse her infants. I wrote this last week:
Child abuse is rare among rhesus macaques but it happens. Some researcher studied this among free ranging rhesus macaques divided the abuse into different categories. The anise is not only performed by the mother, sometimes it can be another adult doing it. Like Bossy throwing and biting spunky and Spocky.
Dragging
The mother drags her infant by its tail or leg while walking or running.
Crushing
The mother pushes her infant against the ground with both hands.
Throwing
The mother throws her infant at a short distance with one hand while standing or walking.
Slapping
The mother violently slaps her infant with one hand or arm.
Biting
Stepping or sitting on
The mother steps on her infant with one foot or both feet, or sits on her infant.
Dangling/dropping
The mother climbs a tree or fence and holds her infant by its tail or leg or drops her infant on the ground.
Rough grooming
The mother pulls her infant's hair or otherwise roughly grooms it causing distress calls.
Stretching
The mother holds her infant by its arms and/or legs and stretches it.
Somersaulting
The mother runs and somersaults with her infant clinging to her chest.
Infant dragging was the most frequent infant abuse pattern, followed by crushing, throwing, biting, hitting and stepping/sitting on the infant.
Other less frequent patterns accounted for about 10 % of all abuse events.
Nothing was never as severe as to require intervention for medical treatment. It did show though that the kortisol level was higher among the abused infants that could affect the immune defense in the future.
Child abuse when it's happens it's often during the child's first months, often the first week and than decreases. Abuse events doesn't last more than a few seconds at time.
Juvenile and adult females often approached the abusive mother and her infant and attempted to touch and retrieve the screaming infant. They also groom the abused infants more and harass them less than non-abused infants in the first month, the period when there abuse was most frequent.
The above is a little problematic because it's the alpha Nora doing the abuse. Thankfully Nan can protect the child. I can see tension in Nora's troop whenever she starts to abusive her infant and it look likes a lot of them in the troop has a lot to say but doesn't dare because of Nora's ranking.
It's been documented that the alpha male in one troop approached and mounted the abusive mother.
What I've missed are studies to why it happens at all. Why does infants get abused most of the time during the first week in life or in the first week and then decreases over a time span of a month? Logically it should have something to do with the chemical imbalances that can happen in a female bodies after giving birth. So I believe it could be some kind of postnatal depression going on.
🤓🏴☠️🇸🇪
@@ML_SE It's common to macaques in general and the abuse you see here is nothing compared to what you see in the LTMs in the Cambodian channels.
ITS NORMAL! It isn’t a human baby! Don’t be crazy.
@M L Once again, YOU DID NOT CITE A SOURCE. I have worked with Macaques for decades in SE Asia and US academia and can tell you “child abuse” and “postpartum depression” are HUMAN conditions, not in wild animals. This is human projection.
Well it has energy so must be feeding
Much better Nora! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Nora must have her baby on a feeding schedule, only when she says so.
They all should be this way. It would cut down on the problems with weening. Instead of the fight for clinging and the milk bar it would just be milk.
nora can't tell time. if she has milk and she doesn't breastfeed it will hurt.
So freekin cute! You do a wonderful job! I love seeing these vids after a long day!
Why does both nora and normal have those missing patches of hair on their shoulders? I noticed they are opposite sides too
I think, it’s from the babies, youngsters holding on! I saw that last week and wondered too!
I think it might be where they had to shave a spot to administer a birth control shot. I know there's other places with large concentrations of monkeys to help control their breeding cycles. Or at least slow it down
Well she's alert and active seems strong, she feeds more then we see at the end here. Her mom is just mean poor baby. The way she is latched on and guzzling she waited a long time for her milk her little face is in bliss.
محلاه يجنن يهبل شكرا لكم يالله
You think maybe Nora's milk comes in late like a week late and that's why she does this?
it's the same in most mammals. The infants are getting colostrum with all the natural antibiotics from the mother.
I'm relieved to see that Nora's baby is in good condition and is being fed. Maybe if I had not witnessed Tina's last 3 babies go through far worse, I'd have harsher feelings for Nora but I've been shown that things could much, much worse.
Pinning her baby down to keep her baby from nursing makes Nora a psycho 🐒.
This baby died, along with another one of Nora’s, what can be worse than that?
Thank God for that!! If you look at Celessa and Nick you will see they're not that big..i think its because they don't have free access to the milk bar..look at Bubby..she was miles bigger than her contemporaries..might be a bit of post natal depression or just sore nips at the beginning or maybe she's starting them out with the school if hard knocks programme because hers us only a small troop out there and they need their wits about them..but whatever it is at least baby is getting some food now..hopefully it continues and she is more careful with her..unlike poor Cessa 🇬🇧🙊🐒🐵🙉🙈😎👏👏👏👍
Nora is not a very good mother she's not very compassionate she just she's not a good mom at all she don't try to help the baby she don't it's just pulled away from the baby she don't want her to nurse terrible she she's one of the ones that I think that they are the fixed instead of the ones that they do fix and you know they want babies
Seems to me that most moms don't like their babies to nurse while they are eating. Once she was done eating, Nora let the baby eat. Norma needs more food!!
@Ditto Didus Monkey’s dont “love” their babies, they assure their survival. Don’t humanize wild animals, it’s really weird.
@@busyramone5586 you, just like every other person on the planet, has no factual idea what animals do and do not feel. Humans can only speculate from observations of behaviors that we assign as characteristic to a certain emotion but those are based upon our own descriptors for our own feelings. Until a monkey can effectively communicate to humans that they do or do not feel what we describe as love, we cannot know one way or the other.
I love your doumentaries.
Lol her pouches are so full she can't even turn her head!
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These nursing mums are pros.
Thank God I was a nervous wreck
Those little monkeys are adorable! I'm not really fond of the long nursing shots!
This baby is going to have to learn go nurse when she can
Baby looks healthy
I’ve never seen a Rhesus Macaque behave this way with a baby. The baby fusses, she rolls it around, and brings it back up to her face. Is she cuddling the newborns?
Then you haven't seen the Cambodia VO's and their OMG! videos for the TH-cam money. This is nothing.
Nora is one of few who abuses her infants. This is what I wrote last week to a video:
Child abuse is rare among rhesus macaques but it happens. Some researcher studied this among free ranging rhesus macaques divided the abuse into different categories. The anise is not only performed by the mother, sometimes it can be another adult doing it. Like Bossy throwing and biting spunky and Spocky.
Dragging
The mother drags her infant by its tail or leg while walking or running.
Crushing
The mother pushes her infant against the ground with both hands.
Throwing
The mother throws her infant at a short distance with one hand while standing or walking.
Slapping
The mother violently slaps her infant with one hand or arm.
Biting
Stepping or sitting on
The mother steps on her infant with one foot or both feet, or sits on her infant.
Dangling/dropping
The mother climbs a tree or fence and holds her infant by its tail or leg or drops her infant on the ground.
Rough grooming
The mother pulls her infant's hair or otherwise roughly grooms it causing distress calls.
Stretching
The mother holds her infant by its arms and/or legs and stretches it.
Somersaulting
The mother runs and somersaults with her infant clinging to her chest.
Infant dragging was the most frequent infant abuse pattern, followed by crushing, throwing, biting, hitting and stepping/sitting on the infant.
Other less frequent patterns accounted for about 10 % of all abuse events.
Nothing was never as severe as to require intervention for medical treatment. It did show though that the kortisol level was higher among the abused infants that could affect the immune defense in the future.
Child abuse when it's happens it's often during the child's first months, often the first week and than decreases. Abuse events doesn't last more than a few seconds at time.
Juvenile and adult females often approached the abusive mother and her infant and attempted to touch and retrieve the screaming infant. They also groom the abused infants more and harass them less than non-abused infants in the first month, the period when there abuse was most frequent.
The above is a little problematic because it's the alpha Nora doing the abuse. Thankfully Nan can protect the child. I can see tension in Nora's troop whenever she starts to abusive her infant and it look likes a lot of them in the troop has a lot to say but doesn't dare because of Nora's ranking.
It's been documented that the alpha male in one troop approached and mounted the abusive mother.
What I've missed are studies to why it happens at all. Why does infants get abused most of the time during the first week in life or in the first week and then decreases over a time span of a month? Logically it should have something to do with the chemical imbalances that can happen in a female bodies after giving birth. So I believe it could be some kind of postnatal depression going on.
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M L thank you for this, I like seeing more Intellectual comments like yours other then, “oh she’s a horrible mother/take her baby away”. It seems to possibly be something similar to postpartum depression(baby blues) in humans, after a while they start letting off... ps Hormones are a B!7CH while pregnant/ postpartum
@@ML_SE I loved reading your comments. 🥰💕
@M L Stop with this junk science. TH-cam viewership does not a behavioral scientist make. Child abuse and “postnatal depression” are human projection. Please don’t spread this misguided information.
Did you ever find out if Noras baby died or if it was with Nan?
Nora has never been a good mother...
Hey she's nursing at the end, there's just rules and Nora is in charge I guess
I feel so badly for Noras baby.
Well at least its still alive.
Poor baby... I wonder if breastfeeding is painful for her or she just has him on a certain feeding schedule..
She could just be a strict parent & trying to set down some rules early so the baby knows he can only nurse when she says so and not when he wants..
I don't think she can schedule, because monkeys can't tell time. She has to nurse or will become engorged with milk if she doesn't breastfeed, which hurts, if she's getting adequate food and liquids. the infant stimulates milk production by suckling. however if she's not eating and drinking enough she will dry up. baby sucks and sucks to get more and nipples get sore.
Some have theorized Nora has mastisis, she usually only nurses for long periods if she's eating to distract from the pain. It could also have to do with trauma from losing a previous baby.
Who is the little boy with his toy car disturbing everyone?
This baby looks bad... It looks like it's dying
If I recall Nora lost a baby
Nora is practicing familial distancing also I see with her latest baby...poor thing
See if this comment is deleted. Lol. 🙊🇨🇦🙊🙉🐵🐒🙈 I hope Nora's baby will be ok.
I think so.
Poor little girl, if you look closely her little face took some bitting. Lots of red marks. 😲😮
That's from her being dragged around not biting
ITS NORMAL
Well still alive that's a good sign. You can really see the abuse in the babies sunk in eyes, yes the baby is being fed but not enough. It will be interesting to see what becomes of this little girl, can see the bite marks on her forehead this little girl has been roughed up, but ya I think she will live.
Not “abuse” this is how monkeys raise their babies. They aren’t humans.
thanks you Aroz ,keep in touch them with us
She feeds her she is not letting the baby use her as a pacifier. Good mom.
Nora is a tough mother. She knows how to raise a baby that respects the mother. Hmm.. interesting.
I suppose that’s why the baby died because Nora wouldn’t allow it to milk! Yeah great mother there👍🏻😡
@@melissaadams1184 oh no!! She died?! Poor baby!!!
Yeah, they have to die in the process of respect? This baby was the second one Nora killed.
It’s sarcasm peeps. Obviously super sad.
Do you think it has anything to do with her being the matriarch, she feels she has to appear that way?
She is a monkey not a person
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@Em That is correct. Look at Amara, Amari to Lori even back to Jill, and Dolly. Daisy is no great mother either. So when you look at in that context Matriarchs seem to struggle with motherhhood.
@@bradcanning875 Don't we all...males excepted of course.
@@kelpiemare7522 Well no I can't agree with that. I see some great mothers in the monkey world and the human world. But like the human world where Queen's have kids who seem to struggle, so goes the monkey world. Look at Nora on the Arroz channel who is a terrible mother perhaps about to lose her baby while her sister Norma and her baby are thriving together.
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It will work out with Nora and her baby girl. Nonie ♡
noras baby looks only a week or 2 old. small, barely any coordination.
Nora’s baby isn’t well coordinated at all. She’s not achieving the maturity of other babies her age.
She's acting like she doesn't know what to do 🙄
I just love your guys feeding system. It really works for you guys and the monkeys. Love to know more about it and wished the Cambodian people would use your system I but I’m sure the moms would most likely start eating their babies due to their uncontrollable food addiction.
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Its movements look off to me.
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Nora's baby's feet are not holding on
Want she feed it
That baby looks like it’s been through hell and back when she finally got to nurse
What is she doing monkeys are weird
Nope…
Why are they so mean???
In the good ole dayz moms were instructed to put their screaming babies in their crib and close the door ion them until they shut up (as long as they have been fed, burped and are not in a dirty diaper). Looks like this one is fed and cared for and Nora doesn’t want it hanging on her teat constantly. Good for you Nora
Baby monkeys require holding on to their mum, and Nora would let it sickle. Baby died.
I am on pins and needles about that baby!
This is the most unloving mother I've seen! It pains me for the little one 🥺 and makes me dislike her bunches.
Monkeys don’t “love” their babies, they assure their survival. Why would you dislike a wild animals for behaving like a wild animal?
She's not mother of the year
Please start filming the good mom more. I'd much rather see that than be sad&frustrated watching the good for nothing Nora!
And I want to see everything.
It’s a wild animal it isn’t “good or bad” it doesn’t have morals! It sounds insane when people say monkeys are mean” bad moms like there is a monkey child protective service 😂 Crazy old women