I agree but it seems to be something people generally can't control. Celebrities become so familiar to us that it tricks us into thinking they're an important part of our lives.
Pointing out something problematic/constructive criticism doesn't have to be about romanticizing.. it's just that, no matter who it is and how you feel about them, how you relate to them.
@ville__ Grayson went to jail for a misunderstanding that happened years ago. Doja dates people who are racist, pedos, and sexually assault people. She does not even like her fans. So good luck with continuing to suck her dick.
Doja indulging in the money she makes while actively hating the people that helped her get there is weirddd. So many underground artists make hit songs yet don’t make big money since they lack the fan base.
Also the fact that she was acting like this was going to be such a turn for her and her music and it's just the same stuff she's been making since forever will never not be funny to me.
Idk, I think she just wants to burn her career. She recently posted on her story saying “All that matters to me is that my fans know who I am and the others are stuck trying to figure it out”. So idk???
She needs to get off the computer tbh and the thing is she doesn’t see her fans as the reason why she’s famous. She thinks it was pure talent and hard work alone. Which I mean sure… but come on she wouldn’t have gotten there has she not had rich musician parents and exposure to the public
I respect the fuck out of the people who enjoyed her music not cowtowing and speaking up when they saw how she was disrespecting them. Usually, fans are so brain dead they will defend anything and everything their idol does, but the majority of her fans defended themselves and called her out on her bs which I respect. Honestly, it is similar to her own personality: she is an opinionated person not afraid of speaking up to people and I saw that in a lot of the people she was dogging online.
Personally I hate Doja's music but I get what you're saying, and I agree. There's a lot of music artists whose work I really enjoy, and some I even like as people, but it's the worst thing seeing people worship those people and act like they're titans or something. I'm a big MCR fan, and I think Gerard Way is a decent guy with a lot of talent, but god damn I cannot stand Gerard stans.
same, that's what surprised me the most, it also wasn't some indivdual fans but big fanpages that were probably ran by many people. She won't lose her music career but it'll take at least some couple of years for her to recover her public image.
The noah schnapp thing was what really made her snap publicly imo. Noah was only 17 when she messaged him asking if Joe Quinn was single. That was majorly inappropriate and he had every right to “expose” her for her clown behavior.
@@metoo3342it’s a little weird of an adult to be messaging someone significantly younger than her so he could spit some game to his coworker for her😭 even if he shouldn’t have posted it she shouldn’t be shit talking someone so much younger than her. She’s grown😭
@@leilaniortiz4574 Yeah and Noah Schnap was grown to know not to leak people's private messages. I learned that when I was in middle school. You act like different age groups are like oil and water.
Wanting to make different music and disliking her old stuff? Fair. Not wanting to encourage parasocial relationships? Also fair. You know what's not fair? Throwing a tantrum at people who've done nothing but support your art because you're chronically online (despite supposedly hating certain fans and the way they act) and feeling some sort of way about yourself/your music while being unable or unwilling to work through it properly. She needs to get into a Zoom call with a counsellor, not in another IG Live.
Its the same thing people were accusing lady gaga of doing back in like 2013 lmao. What dojas doing isn't even that original anymore since so many celebrities use religious iconography to make themselves appear more edgy or dark. Some ppl just spend way too much time online
I disagree, think this is exactly what she wanted, but because she spent so much of her time as a terminally online maladapted social media junkie doing nothing but hunting for clout, once she got her fame, she had no fucking idea what she was doing and now she acts like a fool.
she did lol, her song moo was made specifically to blow up. that's what getting me abt this, she started her career by selling out then get mad when shes a sell out 🥱
She signed a contract with a man most known to be accused of rape and for making songs that make careers blow up. People don't do that if they want to stay underground.
I strongly disagree, I’ve been following doja since moo blew up. And every single move she’s made has been to get more fame. I loved her music, and I understand where some of her annoyance is coming from, but she’s chosen to get as big as she is. Why else would she keep getting major names on her albums?
Doja's fall from grace started a few years ago, actually. She toured South America during lollapalooza. In Argentina at the end of her set people were chanting "uno mas" (one more) but I guess she heard "no mas" (no more) because she stormed off the stage. Then in Paraguay she didn't want to go out to say hi to fans because it was raining. When people got upset she had one of her twitter rants and threatened to quit music forever. I did not appreciate how disrespectful she was to us from SA and that's when a lot of us stopped listening to her. She had a smaller "drama" when a tiktok aesthetician was speculating if she had any work done on her face and Doja called her an old hag among other insults. She has a history of not taking criticism or aspects of fame such as speculation and drama well, and she has gotten into beef with other people before (see Noah from Stranger Things). And the most disturbing one is her past in chatrooms, which goes deeper than what Grayson mentioned on this video. Apparently when she was a teenager she used to go into alt right groups and let white boys call her the N word. I read this many times but I never saw concrete proof. If you feel so inclined there's probably more information somewhere on reddit.
Yeah, and in Paraguay she was being outwardly xenophobic and classist towards her fans. She liked a tweet saying "these paraguay people can't even afford food for their kids, what businesses do they have attending a concert?" After fans got upset about the way they were treated by her.
@@innocehnt75 I don’t know who her mom is but her dad was literally born in Africa. Whether she gets or doesn’t get to use slurs aimed at her as a lighter skinned black woman is up to her… as a white person myself I have no say
@@CMatt29Africans don't typically raise their kids to use that word. It's typically something picked up else where. It's also to my understanding that she didn't have a relationship with her father like that, so again as someone has pointed out that word isn't really relevant to her father being African. I was thrown when I heard it used in her music, but realized shortly after that she was biracial and I assumed she hung around black people.
While the boyfriend stuff is horrific & inexcusable, and I don’t think she should be attacking fans directly. I do think she has a point about people worshipping her/celebrities in general. Just think she could have chosen a better way to get her point across. In saying that I’m not a fan or do I follow her so I don’t know all of the things she has done/said
I truly can’t imagine becoming as famous as Doja, it seems super overwhelming. She’s not going about this i’m the way I would do it, but I understand pulling the ripcord.
I don't think there is any reality in which belittling your fans so they can stop supporting you and you can finally go into irrelevancy and have peace would ever be justified, if she doesn't want to make music anymore or have a massive following behind her because she thinks its overwhelming, she should act like an adult and say that instead of occasionally having meltdowns.
@@Jacorywoohooyeah she's on the other side of 25. She could also just engage with her fans less. Her being overwhelmed is completely understandable but it's not an excuse to behave so nasty
Unfortunately with the J Cyrus relationship and her past of being in chat rooms allowing men to degrade her, it all shows she’s a human like us struggling very hard with her racial identity, self confidence, and self worth issues. I can’t imagine rising to fame… what it would do to my psyche.
i'm not even a doja stan,, but a lot of the insults she threw at her fans for liking her music are things i've heard repeatedly abt her music coming from a bunch of ppl. i never even went on twt that much, but i've heard so many ppl say her music is mediocre and degrade her talent... even when she won a grammy w/ sza, i saw ppl be happy for sza but be mad it was on doja's song (which i get that critique but still) which has to hurt to win a grammy and see ppl say it was a consolation gift bc sza just deserved one at that point. i wouldn't be shocked if in a few years ppl (or even doja herself) say that she was buckling under pressure and thought that using her hater's words against her fans would make her escape that """she's just mediocre pop""" world
@@ositaiza888exactly!! She’s doing this as a weird form of self defense. Especially since everyone kept saying that “I miss old doja” bs. People call her ugly for losing weight and cutting her hair and act absolutely SHOCKED when she hates her fans? Yea if I was her I’d hate kittens too
@@kee7374except it’s not her fans doing any of that stuff and it doesn’t change she’s dating a bad person? I liked doja, would fight with randos in her comments calling her demonic, and none of them were actual fans. She chose to pull the plug on her career by being as vile as possible, so let’s not pretend it’s excusable.
i understand where you’re coming from but i don’t think, in any situation, her actions are okay. Especially having so much influence and Doja KNOWING it, what she has done and said to people is not excusable. I understand how mental health can be affected by being a popular celebrity, however she continued her career on her own and wasn’t forced by any of her fans.
after she threatened to quit music that one time i feel like doja is doing all of this at least partially on purpose. i really don't think she likes being famous anymore and i think she's hoping she loses her job for real
As a 31-year-old guy, Doja Cat has honestly just been a name that I would hear from time to time, but now she seems to have graduated to a cautionary tale about not being raised exclusively by the internet.
Honestly, I think Doja just wanted to stick to TH-cam vids and making music videos at home. I don’t think she EVER thought she’d get this big. I also believe there’s a part of her subconscious that is trying to to destroy her fame so she can live a private live again.
@@OfficerZlock this ville person spams ALL of Grayson's videos on BOTH of her channels and leaves weird hate comments. Now Grayson did got to jail for a day but she has a video explaining what happened.
nobody knows how fame effects your psyche until it happens to them. having millions of people look at you under a microscope effects different people different ways. i take everything celebrities do with a grain of salt because of this. doja is not right for slandering fans and associating with creeps. but i feel like if we hold celebrities to a “normal person” standard we will always get disappointed, because they are no longer normal people. i think it’s fine to enjoy her art and also not support her actions.
The Satanic panic around Doja's appearance is so embarrassing, there are genuine things to criticize about her and people are getting up in arms about a buzzcut
I don’t think Doja’s sentiment has ever been wrong. I do, however, think that the way she has approached it couldn’t be more wrong. I’m never gonna sit here and pretend like I understand what it is like to go from underground artist to one of the biggest most famous people in the world. And even the people saying “this is what you asked for“, I am sure that you also wouldn’t know how to handle that level of fame, that fast. No matter who you are or how badly you want to be successful for your art, no one is prepared for the level of involvement that everyone now feels they have into your life. What she should’ve done was taking a hiatus off of all social media and reached out for some help. I agree that I believe this is a shift in her identity and she doesn’t know how to navigate it without lashing out on others, and now, unfortunately, instead of having the option to quietly step back, or continue her career with all the love and notoriety that she has earned herself, she now has let it all play out in front of the public, and has now allowed the public to have yet another opinion on her personal life. Honestly I feel for the woman, but I don’t know how much longer I will be supporting her if she can’t take it offline.
Thissss but honestly my biggest ick about her was just the stuff w the bf/chat rooms. Like her having a meltdown about her fame is fine, honestly, but seriously what excuse does she have for dating that person/defending him in the way that she has? 😭 & all the stuff about the chat rooms..? Just makes me question her character fr. Everyone can have breakdowns-kinda par for the course w celebrities, rlly-but like idk 😭 is it acc that or is that just how u r?? Like r u just a shitty person? Who knows atp
ive seen a couple of videos about Doja in recent weeks, and something i havent seen anybody mention is that like last year or the year before, she was supposed to perform at a festival in south america (dont remember which country), but the festival had to be cancelled because of flooding/natural disaster(??). A lot of the other artists that were supposed to perform met their fans outside their hotels, talked to them, and apparently MGK even performed for them on the street. Doja didnt, and of course she doesnt have to, but when fans expressed their sadness at not getting to see her, she had a whole rant about how ungrateful her fans are, pretty sure she said something racist or of the like about the country being 3rd world and not worth her time anyway, and then said she was never going to make music again (since her fans are so ungrateful).
@ville__huh? What exactly does that have to do with what I said? Lmao, if you don’t like, don’t watch, or at least tell me what law breaking the person I’m watching did so I can know whether I’m okay consuming their content or not. Cryptic messages like that do nothing but make you look a loon with a problem against the creator that is a non-issue.
i just find it very funny how her getting tattoos of illustrations made by a physician from medieval europe was the catalyst to a situation escalating all the way to dating a confirmed predator. she was literally just inspired by art from 1600's italy, and people accused her of selling her soul to the devil - but at least it lead to something lol.
I'll always say, the song Stan was a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual. Stop staning these people. Ngl, this has kinda always been who she is. A chronically online person just like the rest of us. Most of her stuff is covered in like 10 layers of irony. I can't even tell what's serious or not. The stuff she said about her old albums just seemed like a shitpost to me. I don't think she is entirely wrong about her fans either. Just going about it in an... Unsavory way I guess. The only thing that does make me side eye is the dating a creep thing.
After seeing everything I unfollowed her/removed her songs from my playlists/didn’t watch her new mv bc y would I give my time to someone who clearly doesn’t want it? There’s sooo many indie artists that I’d much rather give my time/money to than her.
I understand being uncomfortable with parasocial relationships, I do think she approached it in a wrong way. Instead of shaming and bashing and overall being kinda rude to her mostly young fans, she could have chosen better words. That’s just me though
I am willing to bet that for a fact Doja is doing this on purpose. I remember she talked about how she wanted to retire that she was sick of the fame, and she never wanted to be a mainstream thing. She said that she was gonna quit in 2022, and I believe she meant what she said and wanted to call it a wrap. She's prolly tired of the commercialized music, she's tired of being in the public eye, and she resents her fans who act as thought they know her. Doesn't excuse the behavior, but I wouldn't be shocked she did this as a way of throwing gasoline on everything to eventually flick the match. She prolly wasn't expecting to blow up as big and as fast as she did mainstream if at all, she was an internet musician first prolly wants to go back to that era of singing songs like Moo.
I noticed a similar trend occurring with anyone garnering fame: There comes a point where a person loses touch with reality. Unless they have people to help them come back to earth so to say, mental breakdowns and clashes are going to occur.
I hope the general public can at least take this away from all the recent online and big name celebrity drama/scandals: do NOT idolize ANYONE. Not everyone is a horrible person but if you put someone you DONT KNOW on a pedestal like this you’re bound to be disappointed. Also just bc you like someone/their work and aesthetic does NOT mean you should or have to defend their every actions. It doesn’t make you a fake fan if you agree with criticisms against an artist. I used to think I was weird bc although I enjoy a lot of artists and online personalities, I’ve never been a stan or thought too much of the person. I just like their content. But now I realize that’s HEALTHY. It’s not normal to be obsessed with anyone
@@taylorhope4651 she couldn't perform because there was a storm so she went into a hotel. latinos started calling her, a jewish woman, hitler and continuously called her racial slurs people have never even heard of. it was truly a dark day.
@@editaudioaestheticwtf??? im sure some people were bigoted on twitter, but she was outwardly xenophobic towards paraguayans and throwed a tarantum while real people were suffering the consecuences of the storm.
I find it really weird how many assumptions are being thrown around re: "she didn't want to get this big", etc. Even assuming this is correct, there are ways to fade from the public eye and distance yourself from your fanbase if that's overwhelming. It just seems to me like she is still, ultimately, a chronically online person who is lashing out at her fanbase because she can't take a break from being online and doesn't want to hear all the negative critiques from people regarding her partner. All in all some unhealthy terminally online behavior from someone who should really just step back from social media
Doja Cat always seemed like a chronically online person to me. She said and did so much outta pocket shit. And also, i definitely disagree with the comments defending her being straight up rude to her fans - you can NOT contribute into parasocial relationships without insulting the people that put you where you are now.
This is not the first mid white man doja has dated who has serious allegations against him. p sure the last white guy i recall her dating had actual r*pe allegations and she knew that.
I think the only thing about her treatment of her fans that bothers me is how the tone of her text just reads as petty to me? She really seems like the kind of person that would sling swears at you for simply drawing fan art or just saying that a song means something to you. You can be firm about boundaries and still talk like the damn adult that you are. And I think what annoys me is that I completely understand where she's coming from about parasocial relationships, but damn girl, set a better example please! As far as the stuff with the boyfriend is concerned, all I gotta say is wtf! Yikes! This is definitely far worse imo and more inexcusable for sure. Anyway great video, thanks. As someone who doesn't really follow mainstream music or social media, I just wanted to know why people started turning on Doja and this was short and sweet.
I think I remember there was also a time when a freelance makeup artist talked about how she was treated like absolute shit by doja... Gotta be real, there's setting boundaries with para social fans and then there's just being cruel to people, and I think she's definitely crossed that line
Actually, i believe her problems with the fans began when she became LatAm's public enemy when she talked shit about her Paraguayan fans bc they weren't waiting outside her hotel because there was an effin storm outside
I'm not the largest fan of doja's music but I love how they're actually exploring styles and aesthetics they like and people are weird when they see a more alternative person
Honestly, i thought the bits with her beefing with her fans are valid. Ive seen some of the weird ass uncomfortable shit her fans have said to and about her and most of it has been way out of line for years now. Although, i do think it was so silly how she went on that whole tirade about how she hates making "tiktok music" and her two new singles are the most tiktok ass singles I've ever heard.
Havent watched the video yet, just wanted to tell you how pretty your eyes are! They're huge! I feel like Doja might be one of those edgy people who thinks being excited and cheerful is lame and cringe af, and hates popular culture... while being part of that popular culture. Ah yes, the 'punk rock too cool so above it all' attitude, for someone who's so invested in being 'original', shes following clichès we've been seeing for over 40 years, just the 2020's modern social media version.
I fully support her telling her fans that she thinks fandom has gotten too much. But the rest of her behaviour shows imo that the problem for her isn't missing distance it's not wanting to be accountable to people outside her bubble. Who probably are way wealthier than they would be on account of being in that bubble.
The funniest thing to me was the whole aesthetic change thing and the hate talk about her own old music but she puts out new music and it's exactly the same thing
your video is exactly how i feel and when her music comes on i get mixed feelings. It's hard to purely enjoy it now knowing that what's made her famous and connected fans she doesn't like. I think the worst part is the infighting of fans in her comments: those getting mad at the people with genuine concerns, while simultaneously kissing her ass and praising her and doing what she doesn't want. It's not even fun to interact with other fans.
i just think that doja is trying to assert boundaries with her fans and wants fans to respect her as a stranger rather than worship her as a mega fan. imagine not being able to go anywhere bc you're constantly getting stopped by fans. it seems like she has had enough and is being "rude" now to make fans back off bc she is a stranger to us. she doesn't know us and we don't know her and she wants us to stop acting like we do. celebrities have a lack of body autonomy and people feel like they are owed celebrities' personal time or a photo because their a fan but they're not entitled to anything. i would recommend allison stoner's podcast to get more insight on this.
Fair comment..she was always a bit rude and mean though.. It's just wasn't directed as her fans.. And most of her relationship with her fans SHE cultivated. She has always been online so it's understandable, and maybe she had to do a lot of it because of the record label, but there are different ways to go about it cuz she can't blame people for expecting her to be the same as she presented herself. She's 27, she is not a teenager or a child there are ways to go about it and this was not it
agree with the other commenter, some behavior she engaged with (like fandom names) and the responses she gave were very uncalled for and unnecessary to fans who weren't even being intrusive.
There's plenty of celebrities who create a distance by minimalising their social media and public appearances. Constantly posting online and engaging with criticism and adoration is fanning the flames.
Ok but she's a grown woman. She knows she can distance herself from social media but you doesn't want to because she's CHRONICALLY ONLINE. Her everything has been online. It's weird to turn around and bash your fans about being chronically online when she's the same way. 💀
i think she was trying to achieve that "relatable bad girl" persona and it backfired lol. weird comparison but kinda like trisha paytas, where she can be an asshole and say whatever she wants but nobody really cares because shes like "uncancellable" she just went too far and wasnt funny nor charismatic enough for it to be appealing. she also prob just genuinely doesnt wanna be famous anymore esp with everything with her label.
As for parasocial relationships and famous personalities in general, I do think it's weird when fans say "you would be nothing without me you'd still be poor/ugly/whatever" and things of the sort. It is manipulative and shows people do not view artists as humans. You cannot "support" someone and simultaniously demand they fullfill your every wish. Support is a response to the art, not what you use to demand art. Your dentist wouldn't be anywhere either if people wouldn't visit and pay them, so would your therapist or nail tech. That's kind of the point of arts and services, and add to that that we live in an age where it takes 3 seconds to consume art without personal monetary expenses. If you do pay, you pay for an art product, service or an event, not for the freedom to mercilessly criticise or demand more than someone is able or willing to give (I am obviously not referring to grooming and other very questionable acts, that is an entirely different story).
In regards to Doja being possessed and/or selling her soul, I’m pretty sure the reasoning people use for her being so open about “it” is that she’s trying to influence others to follow Satan. That’s a major thing in Christianity, that Satan is constantly trying to tempt believers in various ways, both directly and through his followers. So, from a Christian standpoint, if someone believes that she’s demonic in some way, her lack of subtlety is actually some of the strongest proof they have.
have been putting off this vid bc she and her music used to mean the world to me. she advertised herself as a girls girl with empowering music only for her to be defending a predator and blocking/mocking his victims. i had had enough of her when she mocked amber heards rape testimony but this was a whole new level of fucked up for her. i couldnt gaf ab her new look and style, i think its cool and admirable that she broke from an image that she previously didn't feel authentic with and sure her online personality and the way she treats her fans is rotten and annoying but not the end of the world (and at times, it's understandable bc they were insane) but this whole thing with her bf broke my heart. i know we can never know celebrities and i didn't put her on some untouchable pedastal, i dont engage in any parasocial shit, but my god i was a huge fan. she was my number one artist and i turned to her for inspiration in my art and comfort when it came to my body image and i cant even bring myself to listen to her music as i mourn the role model, muse and source of comfort i once had from her. there are few things i hate more than a woman who is not for other women, and it breaks my heart that thats the kind of evil, nasty spirit she turned out to have.
I think a lot more lately we're seeing examples of celebrities not being necessarily kind or good people just because they're talented and attractive. Just because they're famous or do something we like, doesn't make them unequivocally good human beings and tbh they only do some of the attention-seeking, inappropriate behavior that we see because they think they're infallible and their audience loves them no matter what. She's a good singer, she has talent, but Doja Cat as a human being is not a perfect person who's incapable of doing bad things or harming people
I’m really on her side for the parasocial part of this, and it disgusts me how people feel entitled to her kindness or compliments or love. Fucking gross and weird to think someone you PAID for a product owes you something more than that.
@ville__ people dislike doja because her morals are bad, she's dating a man who is a abuser and a racist, as well she herself has problems with her own ethnicity that she just projects. You trying to frame a person who went to jail because of a problem that wasn't even Greysons fault [a slight car accident], as worse then the person who has been openly avoiding/being cruel to victims of her current boyfriend. Is interesting.
parasocial relationships are so weird and wrong, but the problem is the fact that she can’t tell the difference between appreciating fans and “loving” fans like she knows them
It's kinda part of the job, though. I work backstage in entertainment, and the performers are expected to go to dinner and schmooze donors. They can't post anything controversial online. Otherwise, they get told to remove it. That's why celebrities have PR. But also, she could have private social media, Doja chooses to engage with her fans and the public when she could just shut up and make music. Plenty of other celebrities create a distance between them and their fans without insulting people for liking them.
GET A PR TEAM to make a statement or something if it's such a hassle. 💀 There are ways to create boundaries with your fans, like distancing yourself from social media, not interacting with them as much, letting a PR team take the wheel, etc. Basic stuff. Beyoncé does all of that but still shows appreciation to her fans.
@ville__ Good grief, you’re a sour little thing. Grayson didn’t imply that Doja is guilty of heinous acts and only spoke about the controversies incurred by Doja throughout her career. Grayson’s 24-hour jail stint is irrelevant to Doja’s questionable behaviors and it doesn’t negate the existence of those behaviors. It’s not a competition of who is more “guilty”.
@@TheWholeEntireCakethat person is a sad little hater with no hobbies who's posted over 1k hate comments on this channel alone. Just report them and DNI.
Omg thank you for saying that her new music sounds exactly like her old music. When I heard her new song I thought the exact same thing. Like how does she not realize how much it sounds her old. I also get so sick of seeing people make excuses for her or call her a genius and so unique. She literally just did the same thing as lady Gaga with switching up her look to something more people would consider out there and odd after finding success looking and dressing in a more typical way for a pretty female star, every song she makes sounds exactly the same and there much, MUCH more talented female rappers and artists out there, and even her the edgy and “dark” imagery in her latest video seems like nothing but an unoriginal and cheap imitation of stuff lil nas x has done. And plenty of those artists deal with just as much crap when dealing with crappy parts of being rich and famous but none of have resorted to being absolutely awful to her fans. And the thing is I’m not even that mad about her having these feelings but there are ways to express these things without hurting people. Also just look at the stark contrast of lady Gaga making one of the best songs I’ve ever heard about violence against women meanwhile Doja is openly putting down alleged victims because she doesn’t think their stories are serious even to warrant the smallest amount of kindness. I don’t think her boyfriend is irredeemable with the kind of allegations that have been made against him. If she would have just said something like “oh he’s done so much to improve and change and I’m sorry to those that have been hurt but please respect my privacy” and just left it at that it would have been fine. She also could said some of her fans are going too far or that she doesn’t love her old stuff anymore but no she just had be as cruel as possible to the people who helped make her dream a reality. As far I’m concerned I will never be a fan again. Plenty of other artists out there way more deserving of our time and attention. Also the people who defending her I think just don’t want to stop listening to her music. Of course if you really love her music, sure keep listening it to it. But it is possible to love the work of an artist and recognize they’re not the best person.
I'm not here to critique Doja. Rather to show Grayson some love. I know the haters get to you just a little but you're worth more than their words. I think you put a lot of work into your videos and your heart is soft and vibrant. You got this; never be a Doja Cat always be a Cool Cat ❤️
i 100% understand saying you're not your fans friends and that they dont know you, but making fun of them for liking your music, blocking victims of ur bf and etc is just not the same as distancing yourself from your fans.
as a black person with that lens on this also, i literally think that her blackness plays a part in all of this and how people react to her doing all she’s doing (just wanna say the only real issue i have with her is the whole bf potential gr00mer thing bc that’s VERY weird) ANYWAYS i think how ppl perceive her blackness can make them go one of two ways it either pushes them fully towards not liking her or being her fan anymore bc (i’m assuming ofc) “aw dang she was one of the goods ones n now she an azzhole so now i definitely don’t like her anymore” OR we go can the complete opposite way of like hating on her or being turned off and then she releases new music and all of a sudden “oh she’s not even that bad i take it back etc etc” bc she’s a pretty lightskin black person (she’s biracial but still a black person) and a lot of people are way more forgiving of a lightskin black person than they are anyone else. idk i just find it fascinating to see from my own perspective and experiences about the world. anyways yeah again my main gripe and tbh everyone’s main gripe with her should be the fact that she’s blocking ppl for outing that her bf is a potential gr00mer but yk..ppl gone ppl
Honestly she could’ve weathered half or maybe even all of the other things if she hadn’t turned on the people that were willing to protect her. Not saying that’s ideal but it is how most famous people go about their controversies. She just doesn’t like being famous and it really started showing with her getting tired of say so. But I doubt she’d rather be struggling with the rest of us…
The thing with her boyfriend started before the threads incident, its really what finally triggered that whole thing besides the stuff about her past music and fans she tweeted a bit before all this. Her fans were already getting mad at her but this was all like the final straw i think.
i just need to say it somewhere, her behavior and erratic anger, the live videos spewing hate to her fans, the tweets about wishing her fans to die, the sudden life changes with expression through art (her painting on lives) the demonic tattooing, hair chop and having plants and becoming spiritual is so so so similar to someone close to me with BPD 1. i’m definitely not saying anything or making any diagnosis but i just can’t help but see the close similarities.
people can changes and do different things for sure there is nothing wrong with change, im not a doctor but i’ve seen doctors make connections with people who make drastic life changes connecting to mental illness. my other thoughts are maybe this is just the toxic behaviors of a libra 🤣
She needs a therapist and to hand her social media over to a PR team and not publicly engage with social media, block any tags with her name in and just engage with her fans when she has to.
this wont affect her in the long run honestly. the little she lost will come scurrying back the moment she drops her new album and theyll again try to peer into her life like its their business.
My biggest issue with Doja is that it feels like a lot of self hate. Like she doesn’t like her blackness with her actions online, the people she chooses to hang/date but using its privileges to say the N word & be in hip hop. I don’t know the woman but it’s disappointing because she is talented.
i think what she meant by cash grabs was less the sound and more the message? the vibe, the little cues; they're all different, but that could simply be attributed to it being a new project rather than distinctively abandoning her past style. only stark difference is the message is definitely not about sex this time haha. her previous albums were absolutely almost entirely hyper-sexual whereas from the current two songs that are out, maybe Scarlet is more about her journey through that? mind you i'm a fan cause i like her personality, yet i don't actually know her so it can all be speculation based on projection. cause honestly i used to perceive her hyper-sexuality as empowering rather than selling out cause she seemed like she was owning it and enjoying it rather than doing to please.
The bigger problem here is not with Doja, but rather the fans' devotion to celebrity and putting them on a pedestal when we all know human beings are never perfect. At some point, we have to separate the art from the artist just to have some perspective in our internet lives. In the past, I have been a fan of artists like Hayley Williams, Ellie Goulding and Bebe Rexha but never have I ever thought that these are the perfect role model for young people. They have been lucky enough where their hard work has paid off compared to so many talented artists who are still struggling. Don't get me wrong, we can enjoy the art and support the artist if we feel like it. But we have to understand that there wil be times when we will catch them on a bad day and have interactions like Doja. But again, great video, GP! Always enjoy your Op-ed vidoes :)
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@ville__Who cares bootlicker
@ville__she didn't run someone over. stop lying, being cringe and go touch grass, stannie.
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@ville__Grayson lives in your head rent free. You've been harassing them for months. 🙄
honestly her beefing with her fans doesn't bother me as much as the stuff with her boyfriend...like...blocking the victims??? That's so gross??
@ville__ Who cares about the law? Get outta here, square
@ville__ No, probably not. I don't support the prison system, as it stands, as a form of punishment or reformation
@ville__womp womp
@@n0tadr1annaVille is the same weirdo incessantly defending colleen ballinger. They are completely unserious and should be ignored and/or reported.
@@n0tadr1annaoff topic but wym you don’t support prison system what should happen to criminals then
I do think we should stop romanticizing celebs. Being a good musician doesn’t make you a good person or anything else honestly
I agree but it seems to be something people generally can't control. Celebrities become so familiar to us that it tricks us into thinking they're an important part of our lives.
@@screw_it_why_not Very true
Pointing out something problematic/constructive criticism doesn't have to be about romanticizing.. it's just that, no matter who it is and how you feel about them, how you relate to them.
@ville__I don't think it is
@ville__ Grayson went to jail for a misunderstanding that happened years ago. Doja dates people who are racist, pedos, and sexually assault people. She does not even like her fans. So good luck with continuing to suck her dick.
Doja indulging in the money she makes while actively hating the people that helped her get there is weirddd. So many underground artists make hit songs yet don’t make big money since they lack the fan base.
Also the fact that she was acting like this was going to be such a turn for her and her music and it's just the same stuff she's been making since forever will never not be funny to me.
@@thanatoast That’s literally so embarrassing 😫
Idk, I think she just wants to burn her career. She recently posted on her story saying “All that matters to me is that my fans know who I am and the others are stuck trying to figure it out”. So idk???
Dont care I make superior content.
She needs to get off the computer tbh and the thing is she doesn’t see her fans as the reason why she’s famous. She thinks it was pure talent and hard work alone. Which I mean sure… but come on she wouldn’t have gotten there has she not had rich musician parents and exposure to the public
I respect the fuck out of the people who enjoyed her music not cowtowing and speaking up when they saw how she was disrespecting them. Usually, fans are so brain dead they will defend anything and everything their idol does, but the majority of her fans defended themselves and called her out on her bs which I respect. Honestly, it is similar to her own personality: she is an opinionated person not afraid of speaking up to people and I saw that in a lot of the people she was dogging online.
Personally I hate Doja's music but I get what you're saying, and I agree. There's a lot of music artists whose work I really enjoy, and some I even like as people, but it's the worst thing seeing people worship those people and act like they're titans or something. I'm a big MCR fan, and I think Gerard Way is a decent guy with a lot of talent, but god damn I cannot stand Gerard stans.
@ville__ I know, why are you telling me this randomly lol
She was going out of control, I can't listen to her anymore, i kinda stopped around 2021 anyway
@@HobieInTheBox I’ll sometimes listen to her old songs while I work out, and play Moo on repeat while study that’s pretty much it
same, that's what surprised me the most, it also wasn't some indivdual fans but big fanpages that were probably ran by many people. She won't lose her music career but it'll take at least some couple of years for her to recover her public image.
The noah schnapp thing was what really made her snap publicly imo. Noah was only 17 when she messaged him asking if Joe Quinn was single. That was majorly inappropriate and he had every right to “expose” her for her clown behavior.
She literally just asked a question and he leaked private dms of her. He had no right to do that because she didn't do anything wrong.
@@metoo3342 i hope ur not actually serious…
@@jumpinboa Prove me wrong
@@metoo3342it’s a little weird of an adult to be messaging someone significantly younger than her so he could spit some game to his coworker for her😭 even if he shouldn’t have posted it she shouldn’t be shit talking someone so much younger than her. She’s grown😭
@@leilaniortiz4574 Yeah and Noah Schnap was grown to know not to leak people's private messages. I learned that when I was in middle school. You act like different age groups are like oil and water.
Wanting to make different music and disliking her old stuff? Fair.
Not wanting to encourage parasocial relationships? Also fair.
You know what's not fair? Throwing a tantrum at people who've done nothing but support your art because you're chronically online (despite supposedly hating certain fans and the way they act) and feeling some sort of way about yourself/your music while being unable or unwilling to work through it properly.
She needs to get into a Zoom call with a counsellor, not in another IG Live.
exactly. this.
I can't believe that people were SERIOUS about the "sold her soul to the devil" that's so embarrasing
@ville__ WHO are you?
Its the same thing people were accusing lady gaga of doing back in like 2013 lmao. What dojas doing isn't even that original anymore since so many celebrities use religious iconography to make themselves appear more edgy or dark. Some ppl just spend way too much time online
Humanity is getting dumber
literally...
I TOTALLY believe it. It’s been happening forever. Some ppl are dumb asf
unrelated but the star patches are actually so cute
i had those before and theyre actually so fking hard to take off the sheet 😭 they literally stick to themselves
Yeah, they really fit with the dark red hair too! It's like "edgy color scheme with adorable base" ❤🖤
Best way to describe it is ze ladybugs 🐞
yes they’re soo cute but unfortunately they’re not really that good :/
still cute tho
@@lumpyspaceprince00aw really? Like they don’t help with acne much?
@ville__ why'd you make this comment in this chain...
“She in the racial chat rooms showing feet” is still hilarious
I dont think Doja ever wanted to get this big
I disagree, think this is exactly what she wanted, but because she spent so much of her time as a terminally online maladapted social media junkie doing nothing but hunting for clout, once she got her fame, she had no fucking idea what she was doing and now she acts like a fool.
she did lol, her song moo was made specifically to blow up. that's what getting me abt this, she started her career by selling out then get mad when shes a sell out 🥱
@@chariotmylove I hope you know that her career got way bigger than when moo came out and she was a meme
She signed a contract with a man most known to be accused of rape and for making songs that make careers blow up. People don't do that if they want to stay underground.
I strongly disagree, I’ve been following doja since moo blew up. And every single move she’s made has been to get more fame. I loved her music, and I understand where some of her annoyance is coming from, but she’s chosen to get as big as she is. Why else would she keep getting major names on her albums?
the devil has guidelines for his sponsorship, they include instagram posts and tattoos. standard business practice, really.
incorrect, ive been allowed to make contracts without an instagram account
And are you famous? I think not!
Doja's fall from grace started a few years ago, actually. She toured South America during lollapalooza. In Argentina at the end of her set people were chanting "uno mas" (one more) but I guess she heard "no mas" (no more) because she stormed off the stage. Then in Paraguay she didn't want to go out to say hi to fans because it was raining. When people got upset she had one of her twitter rants and threatened to quit music forever. I did not appreciate how disrespectful she was to us from SA and that's when a lot of us stopped listening to her.
She had a smaller "drama" when a tiktok aesthetician was speculating if she had any work done on her face and Doja called her an old hag among other insults. She has a history of not taking criticism or aspects of fame such as speculation and drama well, and she has gotten into beef with other people before (see Noah from Stranger Things).
And the most disturbing one is her past in chatrooms, which goes deeper than what Grayson mentioned on this video. Apparently when she was a teenager she used to go into alt right groups and let white boys call her the N word. I read this many times but I never saw concrete proof. If you feel so inclined there's probably more information somewhere on reddit.
Yeah, and in Paraguay she was being outwardly xenophobic and classist towards her fans. She liked a tweet saying "these paraguay people can't even afford food for their kids, what businesses do they have attending a concert?" After fans got upset about the way they were treated by her.
doja is hardly even black what business does she have being called the n word
@@innocehnt75 I don’t know who her mom is but her dad was literally born in Africa. Whether she gets or doesn’t get to use slurs aimed at her as a lighter skinned black woman is up to her… as a white person myself I have no say
@@CMatt29 I don't get what being born in African has to do with Blackness, that's kind of a moot point.
@@CMatt29Africans don't typically raise their kids to use that word. It's typically something picked up else where. It's also to my understanding that she didn't have a relationship with her father like that, so again as someone has pointed out that word isn't really relevant to her father being African. I was thrown when I heard it used in her music, but realized shortly after that she was biracial and I assumed she hung around black people.
While the boyfriend stuff is horrific & inexcusable, and I don’t think she should be attacking fans directly. I do think she has a point about people worshipping her/celebrities in general. Just think she could have chosen a better way to get her point across. In saying that I’m not a fan or do I follow her so I don’t know all of the things she has done/said
@ville__you’re under every comment. Get a hobby or a job. You have too much free time in your hands.
@ville__go spam someone else’s comments or go to therapy, this is not normal and rather sick. Get help.
@ville__ you just proved my point. Get an appointment babe.
@ville__ mental illness
Dont care I make superior content.
I truly can’t imagine becoming as famous as Doja, it seems super overwhelming. She’s not going about this i’m the way I would do it, but I understand pulling the ripcord.
True but that’s not the way to do it
I don't think there is any reality in which belittling your fans so they can stop supporting you and you can finally go into irrelevancy and have peace would ever be justified, if she doesn't want to make music anymore or have a massive following behind her because she thinks its overwhelming, she should act like an adult and say that instead of occasionally having meltdowns.
@@Jacorywoohooyeah she's on the other side of 25. She could also just engage with her fans less. Her being overwhelmed is completely understandable but it's not an excuse to behave so nasty
she is almost 30. if she wants to stop being famous she can simply stop being famous
@@PETSEMATARYTWO ah yes because you can totally just make yourself pop out of people's minds. Didn't know that was possible
Unfortunately with the J Cyrus relationship and her past of being in chat rooms allowing men to degrade her, it all shows she’s a human like us struggling very hard with her racial identity, self confidence, and self worth issues. I can’t imagine rising to fame… what it would do to my psyche.
i'm not even a doja stan,, but a lot of the insults she threw at her fans for liking her music are things i've heard repeatedly abt her music coming from a bunch of ppl. i never even went on twt that much, but i've heard so many ppl say her music is mediocre and degrade her talent... even when she won a grammy w/ sza, i saw ppl be happy for sza but be mad it was on doja's song (which i get that critique but still) which has to hurt to win a grammy and see ppl say it was a consolation gift bc sza just deserved one at that point.
i wouldn't be shocked if in a few years ppl (or even doja herself) say that she was buckling under pressure and thought that using her hater's words against her fans would make her escape that """she's just mediocre pop""" world
@@ositaiza888exactly!! She’s doing this as a weird form of self defense. Especially since everyone kept saying that “I miss old doja” bs. People call her ugly for losing weight and cutting her hair and act absolutely SHOCKED when she hates her fans? Yea if I was her I’d hate kittens too
I saw some of her fans online defending her actions by saying "She just has a degradation fetish" 🤦🏽♀
@@kee7374except it’s not her fans doing any of that stuff and it doesn’t change she’s dating a bad person? I liked doja, would fight with randos in her comments calling her demonic, and none of them were actual fans. She chose to pull the plug on her career by being as vile as possible, so let’s not pretend it’s excusable.
i understand where you’re coming from but i don’t think, in any situation, her actions are okay. Especially having so much influence and Doja KNOWING it, what she has done and said to people is not excusable. I understand how mental health can be affected by being a popular celebrity, however she continued her career on her own and wasn’t forced by any of her fans.
after she threatened to quit music that one time i feel like doja is doing all of this at least partially on purpose. i really don't think she likes being famous anymore and i think she's hoping she loses her job for real
As a 31-year-old guy, Doja Cat has honestly just been a name that I would hear from time to time, but now she seems to have graduated to a cautionary tale about not being raised exclusively by the internet.
She’s a cautionary tale about not getting therapy for a personality disorder.
Honestly, I think Doja just wanted to stick to TH-cam vids and making music videos at home. I don’t think she EVER thought she’d get this big. I also believe there’s a part of her subconscious that is trying to to destroy her fame so she can live a private live again.
@ville__i think you need to go outside 💀🤡
@ville__ thank you so much for your 1k+ comments 🙏 keeping graysons channel in the algorithm !!
@ville__ what did grayson do?
@@OfficerZlock this ville person spams ALL of Grayson's videos on BOTH of her channels and leaves weird hate comments. Now Grayson did got to jail for a day but she has a video explaining what happened.
@ville__ actually??
nobody knows how fame effects your psyche until it happens to them. having millions of people look at you under a microscope effects different people different ways. i take everything celebrities do with a grain of salt because of this. doja is not right for slandering fans and associating with creeps. but i feel like if we hold celebrities to a “normal person” standard we will always get disappointed, because they are no longer normal people. i think it’s fine to enjoy her art and also not support her actions.
also i love u grayson great video
@ville__bait comment
@ville__ what happened?
@@OfficerZlock ignore them. They want you to reply to them. They have OVER 1K+ COMMENTS making shit up. It's pathetic.
@ville__ actually??
The Satanic panic around Doja's appearance is so embarrassing, there are genuine things to criticize about her and people are getting up in arms about a buzzcut
I don’t think Doja’s sentiment has ever been wrong. I do, however, think that the way she has approached it couldn’t be more wrong. I’m never gonna sit here and pretend like I understand what it is like to go from underground artist to one of the biggest most famous people in the world. And even the people saying “this is what you asked for“, I am sure that you also wouldn’t know how to handle that level of fame, that fast. No matter who you are or how badly you want to be successful for your art, no one is prepared for the level of involvement that everyone now feels they have into your life. What she should’ve done was taking a hiatus off of all social media and reached out for some help. I agree that I believe this is a shift in her identity and she doesn’t know how to navigate it without lashing out on others, and now, unfortunately, instead of having the option to quietly step back, or continue her career with all the love and notoriety that she has earned herself, she now has let it all play out in front of the public, and has now allowed the public to have yet another opinion on her personal life. Honestly I feel for the woman, but I don’t know how much longer I will be supporting her if she can’t take it offline.
Thissss but honestly my biggest ick about her was just the stuff w the bf/chat rooms. Like her having a meltdown about her fame is fine, honestly, but seriously what excuse does she have for dating that person/defending him in the way that she has? 😭 & all the stuff about the chat rooms..? Just makes me question her character fr. Everyone can have breakdowns-kinda par for the course w celebrities, rlly-but like idk 😭 is it acc that or is that just how u r?? Like r u just a shitty person? Who knows atp
ive seen a couple of videos about Doja in recent weeks, and something i havent seen anybody mention is that like last year or the year before, she was supposed to perform at a festival in south america (dont remember which country), but the festival had to be cancelled because of flooding/natural disaster(??). A lot of the other artists that were supposed to perform met their fans outside their hotels, talked to them, and apparently MGK even performed for them on the street. Doja didnt, and of course she doesnt have to, but when fans expressed their sadness at not getting to see her, she had a whole rant about how ungrateful her fans are, pretty sure she said something racist or of the like about the country being 3rd world and not worth her time anyway, and then said she was never going to make music again (since her fans are so ungrateful).
@ville__huh? What exactly does that have to do with what I said?
Lmao, if you don’t like, don’t watch, or at least tell me what law breaking the person I’m watching did so I can know whether I’m okay consuming their content or not.
Cryptic messages like that do nothing but make you look a loon with a problem against the creator that is a non-issue.
@@LaurenPebblethis man is OBSSESSED with Grayson. Look at any other comment with replies and he's spammed thousands.
i just find it very funny how her getting tattoos of illustrations made by a physician from medieval europe was the catalyst to a situation escalating all the way to dating a confirmed predator. she was literally just inspired by art from 1600's italy, and people accused her of selling her soul to the devil - but at least it lead to something lol.
She was dating a predator before the 🔥devil🔥 influence.
I'll always say, the song Stan was a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual. Stop staning these people.
Ngl, this has kinda always been who she is. A chronically online person just like the rest of us. Most of her stuff is covered in like 10 layers of irony. I can't even tell what's serious or not. The stuff she said about her old albums just seemed like a shitpost to me. I don't think she is entirely wrong about her fans either. Just going about it in an... Unsavory way I guess.
The only thing that does make me side eye is the dating a creep thing.
After seeing everything I unfollowed her/removed her songs from my playlists/didn’t watch her new mv bc y would I give my time to someone who clearly doesn’t want it? There’s sooo many indie artists that I’d much rather give my time/money to than her.
I just think is funny how she tried to re brand and said that her new music will be rap and so different, just to make the exact same music
I understand being uncomfortable with parasocial relationships, I do think she approached it in a wrong way. Instead of shaming and bashing and overall being kinda rude to her mostly young fans, she could have chosen better words. That’s just me though
She could've taken a few hundred steps back from social media and handed it off to a PR team
I am willing to bet that for a fact Doja is doing this on purpose.
I remember she talked about how she wanted to retire that she was sick of the fame, and she never wanted to be a mainstream thing.
She said that she was gonna quit in 2022, and I believe she meant what she said and wanted to call it a wrap.
She's prolly tired of the commercialized music, she's tired of being in the public eye, and she resents her fans who act as thought they know her.
Doesn't excuse the behavior, but I wouldn't be shocked she did this as a way of throwing gasoline on everything to eventually flick the match.
She prolly wasn't expecting to blow up as big and as fast as she did mainstream if at all, she was an internet musician first prolly wants to go back to that era of singing songs like Moo.
I noticed a similar trend occurring with anyone garnering fame: There comes a point where a person loses touch with reality. Unless they have people to help them come back to earth so to say, mental breakdowns and clashes are going to occur.
I hope the general public can at least take this away from all the recent online and big name celebrity drama/scandals: do NOT idolize ANYONE. Not everyone is a horrible person but if you put someone you DONT KNOW on a pedestal like this you’re bound to be disappointed. Also just bc you like someone/their work and aesthetic does NOT mean you should or have to defend their every actions. It doesn’t make you a fake fan if you agree with criticisms against an artist. I used to think I was weird bc although I enjoy a lot of artists and online personalities, I’ve never been a stan or thought too much of the person. I just like their content. But now I realize that’s HEALTHY. It’s not normal to be obsessed with anyone
after the way she acted in the lollapalooza in latin america I've been waiting for people to actually stop liking her smh
What did she do
@@taylorhope4651 she couldn't perform because there was a storm so she went into a hotel. latinos started calling her, a jewish woman, hitler and continuously called her racial slurs people have never even heard of. it was truly a dark day.
@@editaudioaestheticwtf??? im sure some people were bigoted on twitter, but she was outwardly xenophobic towards paraguayans and throwed a tarantum while real people were suffering the consecuences of the storm.
@@editaudioaesthetic literally no one called her a slur, like...really, all she was told multiple times was "gringa", wich isn't even a slur
@@editaudioaesthetic the way you say "latinos" says it all smh
I find it really weird how many assumptions are being thrown around re: "she didn't want to get this big", etc. Even assuming this is correct, there are ways to fade from the public eye and distance yourself from your fanbase if that's overwhelming. It just seems to me like she is still, ultimately, a chronically online person who is lashing out at her fanbase because she can't take a break from being online and doesn't want to hear all the negative critiques from people regarding her partner. All in all some unhealthy terminally online behavior from someone who should really just step back from social media
Doja Cat always seemed like a chronically online person to me. She said and did so much outta pocket shit.
And also, i definitely disagree with the comments defending her being straight up rude to her fans - you can NOT contribute into parasocial relationships without insulting the people that put you where you are now.
This is not the first mid white man doja has dated who has serious allegations against him. p sure the last white guy i recall her dating had actual r*pe allegations and she knew that.
I think the only thing about her treatment of her fans that bothers me is how the tone of her text just reads as petty to me? She really seems like the kind of person that would sling swears at you for simply drawing fan art or just saying that a song means something to you. You can be firm about boundaries and still talk like the damn adult that you are. And I think what annoys me is that I completely understand where she's coming from about parasocial relationships, but damn girl, set a better example please!
As far as the stuff with the boyfriend is concerned, all I gotta say is wtf! Yikes! This is definitely far worse imo and more inexcusable for sure.
Anyway great video, thanks. As someone who doesn't really follow mainstream music or social media, I just wanted to know why people started turning on Doja and this was short and sweet.
Doja is really going down the Azealia Banks route
I’m not surprised with Doja’s choice in partners, this is literally her type she made it known for ages
I think I remember there was also a time when a freelance makeup artist talked about how she was treated like absolute shit by doja... Gotta be real, there's setting boundaries with para social fans and then there's just being cruel to people, and I think she's definitely crossed that line
Actually, i believe her problems with the fans began when she became LatAm's public enemy when she talked shit about her Paraguayan fans bc they weren't waiting outside her hotel because there was an effin storm outside
I don't know how true this is, but my ex told me that she would make herself throw up in those chat rooms
I love how gracefully you talked abt the demon thing, when as a christian myself, people who say shit like that are crazy
I'm not the largest fan of doja's music but I love how they're actually exploring styles and aesthetics they like and people are weird when they see a more alternative person
@ville__ are you the person that hit Grayson or something? Are you the cop :0
Honestly, i thought the bits with her beefing with her fans are valid. Ive seen some of the weird ass uncomfortable shit her fans have said to and about her and most of it has been way out of line for years now.
Although, i do think it was so silly how she went on that whole tirade about how she hates making "tiktok music" and her two new singles are the most tiktok ass singles I've ever heard.
FINALLYYYY I was waiting for you to talk about Doja Cat 😭❤🩹
“argue with the wall” about tia tamera is so valid you just cannot diss that song
Havent watched the video yet, just wanted to tell you how pretty your eyes are! They're huge!
I feel like Doja might be one of those edgy people who thinks being excited and cheerful is lame and cringe af, and hates popular culture... while being part of that popular culture.
Ah yes, the 'punk rock too cool so above it all' attitude, for someone who's so invested in being 'original', shes following clichès we've been seeing for over 40 years, just the 2020's modern social media version.
"yeah i'm just making up words now" SHAKESPEARE
someone else said too, but the black star stickers look so cool with your makeup and red hair
I literally don't understand Doja right now. I was a huge stan but I am a little lost as to what to think. I agree with your thoughts.
I do think it’s really funny that Paint the Town Red sounds just like her old music
I fully support her telling her fans that she thinks fandom has gotten too much. But the rest of her behaviour shows imo that the problem for her isn't missing distance it's not wanting to be accountable to people outside her bubble. Who probably are way wealthier than they would be on account of being in that bubble.
The funniest thing to me was the whole aesthetic change thing and the hate talk about her own old music but she puts out new music and it's exactly the same thing
your video is exactly how i feel and when her music comes on i get mixed feelings. It's hard to purely enjoy it now knowing that what's made her famous and connected fans she doesn't like. I think the worst part is the infighting of fans in her comments: those getting mad at the people with genuine concerns, while simultaneously kissing her ass and praising her and doing what she doesn't want. It's not even fun to interact with other fans.
We wppreciate your insights. We will always support you.
Dunking on Christians is generally deserved.
i just think that doja is trying to assert boundaries with her fans and wants fans to respect her as a stranger rather than worship her as a mega fan. imagine not being able to go anywhere bc you're constantly getting stopped by fans. it seems like she has had enough and is being "rude" now to make fans back off bc she is a stranger to us. she doesn't know us and we don't know her and she wants us to stop acting like we do. celebrities have a lack of body autonomy and people feel like they are owed celebrities' personal time or a photo because their a fan but they're not entitled to anything. i would recommend allison stoner's podcast to get more insight on this.
Fair comment..she was always a bit rude and mean though.. It's just wasn't directed as her fans.. And most of her relationship with her fans SHE cultivated. She has always been online so it's understandable, and maybe she had to do a lot of it because of the record label, but there are different ways to go about it cuz she can't blame people for expecting her to be the same as she presented herself.
She's 27, she is not a teenager or a child there are ways to go about it and this was not it
agree with the other commenter, some behavior she engaged with (like fandom names) and the responses she gave were very uncalled for and unnecessary to fans who weren't even being intrusive.
@ville__insane doja stan. why dont you spam your notes app instead
There's plenty of celebrities who create a distance by minimalising their social media and public appearances. Constantly posting online and engaging with criticism and adoration is fanning the flames.
Ok but she's a grown woman. She knows she can distance herself from social media but you doesn't want to because she's CHRONICALLY ONLINE. Her everything has been online. It's weird to turn around and bash your fans about being chronically online when she's the same way. 💀
i think she was trying to achieve that "relatable bad girl" persona and it backfired lol. weird comparison but kinda like trisha paytas, where she can be an asshole and say whatever she wants but nobody really cares because shes like "uncancellable" she just went too far and wasnt funny nor charismatic enough for it to be appealing. she also prob just genuinely doesnt wanna be famous anymore esp with everything with her label.
@ville__ idc
Me listening to actual news that could genuinely affect me: 😴
Me listening to drama about a random music artist I don't even listen to: 😲
As for parasocial relationships and famous personalities in general, I do think it's weird when fans say "you would be nothing without me you'd still be poor/ugly/whatever" and things of the sort. It is manipulative and shows people do not view artists as humans. You cannot "support" someone and simultaniously demand they fullfill your every wish. Support is a response to the art, not what you use to demand art. Your dentist wouldn't be anywhere either if people wouldn't visit and pay them, so would your therapist or nail tech. That's kind of the point of arts and services, and add to that that we live in an age where it takes 3 seconds to consume art without personal monetary expenses. If you do pay, you pay for an art product, service or an event, not for the freedom to mercilessly criticise or demand more than someone is able or willing to give (I am obviously not referring to grooming and other very questionable acts, that is an entirely different story).
I'm literally obsessed with this channel and it's host 😭😭 thanks for the drop Grayson
In regards to Doja being possessed and/or selling her soul, I’m pretty sure the reasoning people use for her being so open about “it” is that she’s trying to influence others to follow Satan. That’s a major thing in Christianity, that Satan is constantly trying to tempt believers in various ways, both directly and through his followers.
So, from a Christian standpoint, if someone believes that she’s demonic in some way, her lack of subtlety is actually some of the strongest proof they have.
i believe that the devil isn’t trying to hide anymore
Agreed
There were rumors she was always into the punk scene tbf so her alt aesthetic isn't outta no where
Oh for sure. The aesthetic of her old videos has a major punk vibe. It’s the “Say So” fans that are shocked she’s alt.
your hair looks so good!
20:19 - "Snowballing" is the term you were looking for. But you got there in your own way, and I'm proud of ya, sport.
what intrigues me is that (i think) every album cover of hers on Spotify is now tinted red. Except for the attention cover.
I cant stop looking at your lips, they are so pretty
have been putting off this vid bc she and her music used to mean the world to me. she advertised herself as a girls girl with empowering music only for her to be defending a predator and blocking/mocking his victims. i had had enough of her when she mocked amber heards rape testimony but this was a whole new level of fucked up for her.
i couldnt gaf ab her new look and style, i think its cool and admirable that she broke from an image that she previously didn't feel authentic with and sure her online personality and the way she treats her fans is rotten and annoying but not the end of the world (and at times, it's understandable bc they were insane) but this whole thing with her bf broke my heart. i know we can never know celebrities and i didn't put her on some untouchable pedastal, i dont engage in any parasocial shit, but my god i was a huge fan. she was my number one artist and i turned to her for inspiration in my art and comfort when it came to my body image and i cant even bring myself to listen to her music as i mourn the role model, muse and source of comfort i once had from her.
there are few things i hate more than a woman who is not for other women, and it breaks my heart that thats the kind of evil, nasty spirit she turned out to have.
red hair looks amazing on you!!
I cant go into work today, new grayson video dropped
I love the hydro stars!
We have to stop putting celebrities on pedestals
I think a lot more lately we're seeing examples of celebrities not being necessarily kind or good people just because they're talented and attractive. Just because they're famous or do something we like, doesn't make them unequivocally good human beings and tbh they only do some of the attention-seeking, inappropriate behavior that we see because they think they're infallible and their audience loves them no matter what. She's a good singer, she has talent, but Doja Cat as a human being is not a perfect person who's incapable of doing bad things or harming people
Girl, so off topic, but I love your voice! It's so soothing to listen to!
grayson dressing up as yunaka fire emblem today
“i’m not a predator so i win” made me giggle
I’m really on her side for the parasocial part of this, and it disgusts me how people feel entitled to her kindness or compliments or love. Fucking gross and weird to think someone you PAID for a product owes you something more than that.
@ville__ people dislike doja because her morals are bad, she's dating a man who is a abuser and a racist, as well she herself has problems with her own ethnicity that she just projects.
You trying to frame a person who went to jail because of a problem that wasn't even Greysons fault [a slight car accident], as worse then the person who has been openly avoiding/being cruel to victims of her current boyfriend. Is interesting.
parasocial relationships are so weird and wrong, but the problem is the fact that she can’t tell the difference between appreciating fans and “loving” fans like she knows them
Agree but.. we’re mad about the boyfriend stuff really.
It's kinda part of the job, though. I work backstage in entertainment, and the performers are expected to go to dinner and schmooze donors. They can't post anything controversial online. Otherwise, they get told to remove it. That's why celebrities have PR.
But also, she could have private social media, Doja chooses to engage with her fans and the public when she could just shut up and make music.
Plenty of other celebrities create a distance between them and their fans without insulting people for liking them.
GET A PR TEAM to make a statement or something if it's such a hassle. 💀 There are ways to create boundaries with your fans, like distancing yourself from social media, not interacting with them as much, letting a PR team take the wheel, etc. Basic stuff. Beyoncé does all of that but still shows appreciation to her fans.
Yay a video from Grayson to alleviate my melancholic evening. 🌞
@ville__ Good grief, you’re a sour little thing.
Grayson didn’t imply that Doja is guilty of heinous acts and only spoke about the controversies incurred by Doja throughout her career. Grayson’s 24-hour jail stint is irrelevant to Doja’s questionable behaviors and it doesn’t negate the existence of those behaviors. It’s not a competition of who is more “guilty”.
@@TheWholeEntireCakethat person is a sad little hater with no hobbies who's posted over 1k hate comments on this channel alone. Just report them and DNI.
Omg thank you for saying that her new music sounds exactly like her old music. When I heard her new song I thought the exact same thing. Like how does she not realize how much it sounds her old. I also get so sick of seeing people make excuses for her or call her a genius and so unique. She literally just did the same thing as lady Gaga with switching up her look to something more people would consider out there and odd after finding success looking and dressing in a more typical way for a pretty female star, every song she makes sounds exactly the same and there much, MUCH more talented female rappers and artists out there, and even her the edgy and “dark” imagery in her latest video seems like nothing but an unoriginal and cheap imitation of stuff lil nas x has done. And plenty of those artists deal with just as much crap when dealing with crappy parts of being rich and famous but none of have resorted to being absolutely awful to her fans. And the thing is I’m not even that mad about her having these feelings but there are ways to express these things without hurting people. Also just look at the stark contrast of lady Gaga making one of the best songs I’ve ever heard about violence against women meanwhile Doja is openly putting down alleged victims because she doesn’t think their stories are serious even to warrant the smallest amount of kindness. I don’t think her boyfriend is irredeemable with the kind of allegations that have been made against him. If she would have just said something like “oh he’s done so much to improve and change and I’m sorry to those that have been hurt but please respect my privacy” and just left it at that it would have been fine. She also could said some of her fans are going too far or that she doesn’t love her old stuff anymore but no she just had be as cruel as possible to the people who helped make her dream a reality. As far I’m concerned I will never be a fan again. Plenty of other artists out there way more deserving of our time and attention. Also the people who defending her I think just don’t want to stop listening to her music. Of course if you really love her music, sure keep listening it to it. But it is possible to love the work of an artist and recognize they’re not the best person.
Y'all are too young to remember Britney. Lay off this woman if you don't want a Free Doja Cat in 10 yrs.
I'm not here to critique Doja. Rather to show Grayson some love. I know the haters get to you just a little but you're worth more than their words. I think you put a lot of work into your videos and your heart is soft and vibrant. You got this; never be a Doja Cat always be a Cool Cat ❤️
I love your voice! It’s so deep and mysterious
i 100% understand saying you're not your fans friends and that they dont know you, but making fun of them for liking your music, blocking victims of ur bf and etc is just not the same as distancing yourself from your fans.
The silly mini ‘Satanic panic’ portion of the backlash is ridiculous, to me.
as a black person with that lens on this also, i literally think that her blackness plays a part in all of this and how people react to her doing all she’s doing (just wanna say the only real issue i have with her is the whole bf potential gr00mer thing bc that’s VERY weird) ANYWAYS i think how ppl perceive her blackness can make them go one of two ways it either pushes them fully towards not liking her or being her fan anymore bc (i’m assuming ofc) “aw dang she was one of the goods ones n now she an azzhole so now i definitely don’t like her anymore” OR we go can the complete opposite way of like hating on her or being turned off and then she releases new music and all of a sudden “oh she’s not even that bad i take it back etc etc” bc she’s a pretty lightskin black person (she’s biracial but still a black person) and a lot of people are way more forgiving of a lightskin black person than they are anyone else. idk i just find it fascinating to see from my own perspective and experiences about the world. anyways yeah again my main gripe and tbh everyone’s main gripe with her should be the fact that she’s blocking ppl for outing that her bf is a potential gr00mer but yk..ppl gone ppl
20:44 the “straw that broke the camels back” metaphor was right there 😭😭😭
Honestly she could’ve weathered half or maybe even all of the other things if she hadn’t turned on the people that were willing to protect her. Not saying that’s ideal but it is how most famous people go about their controversies. She just doesn’t like being famous and it really started showing with her getting tired of say so. But I doubt she’d rather be struggling with the rest of us…
The thing with her boyfriend started before the threads incident, its really what finally triggered that whole thing besides the stuff about her past music and fans she tweeted a bit before all this. Her fans were already getting mad at her but this was all like the final straw i think.
first video i’ve seen if this youtuber and i rlly like this channel!! this is probably gonna be my new fav channel
totally irrelevant to the video but this is the first time i’ve seen you/one of your videos and i’m in absolute awe over how gorgeous you are
@ville__ people break laws daily including myself so i really don’t give a fuck but thanks bro 🤙
i just need to say it somewhere, her behavior and erratic anger, the live videos spewing hate to her fans, the tweets about wishing her fans to die, the sudden life changes with expression through art (her painting on lives) the demonic tattooing, hair chop and having plants and becoming spiritual is so so so similar to someone close to me with BPD 1. i’m definitely not saying anything or making any diagnosis but i just can’t help but see the close similarities.
people can changes and do different things for sure there is nothing wrong with change, im not a doctor but i’ve seen doctors make connections with people who make drastic life changes connecting to mental illness.
my other thoughts are maybe this is just the toxic behaviors of a libra 🤣
She needs a therapist and to hand her social media over to a PR team and not publicly engage with social media, block any tags with her name in and just engage with her fans when she has to.
“Im genuinely not trying to dunk on Christians”
Why not? I love dunking on christians
uhm?
this wont affect her in the long run honestly. the little she lost will come scurrying back the moment she drops her new album and theyll again try to peer into her life like its their business.
Yeah Doja Cat has been mad disappointing for a while now
My biggest issue with Doja is that it feels like a lot of self hate. Like she doesn’t like her blackness with her actions online, the people she chooses to hang/date but using its privileges to say the N word & be in hip hop. I don’t know the woman but it’s disappointing because she is talented.
“Does the devil lack subtlety” 🤣🤣🤣
i think what she meant by cash grabs was less the sound and more the message? the vibe, the little cues; they're all different, but that could simply be attributed to it being a new project rather than distinctively abandoning her past style. only stark difference is the message is definitely not about sex this time haha.
her previous albums were absolutely almost entirely hyper-sexual whereas from the current two songs that are out, maybe Scarlet is more about her journey through that? mind you i'm a fan cause i like her personality, yet i don't actually know her so it can all be speculation based on projection. cause honestly i used to perceive her hyper-sexuality as empowering rather than selling out cause she seemed like she was owning it and enjoying it rather than doing to please.
The bigger problem here is not with Doja, but rather the fans' devotion to celebrity and putting them on a pedestal when we all know human beings are never perfect. At some point, we have to separate the art from the artist just to have some perspective in our internet lives.
In the past, I have been a fan of artists like Hayley Williams, Ellie Goulding and Bebe Rexha but never have I ever thought that these are the perfect role model for young people. They have been lucky enough where their hard work has paid off compared to so many talented artists who are still struggling.
Don't get me wrong, we can enjoy the art and support the artist if we feel like it. But we have to understand that there wil be times when we will catch them on a bad day and have interactions like Doja. But again, great video, GP! Always enjoy your Op-ed vidoes :)
You look STUNNING
Doja has always been a bit ‘different ‘ 😂
Off topic but for a hot second I thought you had a face tattoo of those stars and I got extremely worried about you LOL.