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1-C'est pas un fleuret, c'est une rapière. Fleuret : arme d'entraînement à l'épée de cour (essentiellement d'estoc) ; Rapière : arme de duel et de guerre, d'estoc et de taille. 2-Aucune chance contre un katana : est-ce que le katana se manie tout seul ? Un expert du katana ou un novice auront-ils le même résultat face à l'escrimeur de la vidéo, qui semble plutôt expert dans sa discipline ? 3-le 16ème siècle a vu quelques rencontres entre des combattants européens armés (entre autres) de rapières, et des combattants japonais armés (entre autres) de katanas, et surprise, ça s'est souvent pas bien fini pour les porteurs de la célèbre épée anti tank... Dans l'absolu, si l'arme fait le soldat, le guerrier fait l'arme.
I love that this isn't some kind of weapon vs video. Instead, it's just a fun video of two people having fun practicing their respective disciplines, with the added bonus of great sound effects and animations. Very well done, gentlemen. Very well done.
1:26 Yes, it's a great video and I agree completely, however you wrote, "Gentlemen." With all do respect, the Kendoka is a woman, and I think she slaughtered the Ropera.
I wonder why whenever there's a weapon match between different discipline that they always wear their own protection for the weapon they're using. They should switch mask! The fencing mask is not enough to dampen the heavy blow of the bamboo blade and the Kendo mask is not enough to stop the rapier's tip.
I've wondered the same. They should essentially switch gears to match the weapon of their opponent 😁 But I think it's done mostly for "artistic" reasons, as in to make it clear what kinda equipment both uses. Still doesn't make it as safe as it should of course. Gotta be careful with training 👍
That's a good point. I think what is needed is a redesign of the armour for various disciplines so that they can compete with each other. The new design should not just be functional but incorporate the look of the outfit of the various discipline for aesthetic purposes.
@@varanid9 Ya, it would be hard. Though it seems that the Hema gear seems to be sufficient for all the weapon types. Which weapon do you feel it's inadequate against?
Good stuff! This video definitely shows off the strengths and weaknesses of each style. You can clearly see how the rapier goes from having an advantage at a distance, to being at a colossal disadvantage once the distance is closed.
A rapier user allowing the distance to be closed is doing it wrong. Reach advantage is king in all realistic melee combat. This is why polearms dominated in military history. As for kendo, it's a bit silly to pit a kendoka against anything but another kendoka. Like pugilism, kendo as a sport is defined by its self-imposed restrictions. In contrast, the rapier is defined by the question, 'what's the most effective sword possible for defeating an unarmored foe in a strictly 1v1 context?' Anyway, I don't know if you noticed, but the guy is using the rapier, and he's not going 100% at his girlfriend kendoka. Because, you know, don't wanna bully your girl. If you look up actual fencing competition videos here, you're gonna see radically more back and forward movement from the fencers than what this guy is doing. This guy is deliberately staying close enough to the kendoka to make this video fun.
@@CognizantCheddar keeping the reach advantage is easier said than done, especially going against a skilled opponent of any style. For example, I have personally seen and experienced an escrima practitioner with a short machete absolutely trounce a skilled rapierist.
@@CognizantCheddar a kendoka who is aggressively running forward with kiri kaeshi will absolutely collapse the guard of a rapier-wielder trying to run backwards
@@polecat3 Depends on how wide the bird-blunt/leather+washer setup is compared to the bar spacing. We don't exactly add these on initially with Kendo masks in mind.
The cage on my Kendo Men is just aluminum and the bars are spaced pretty wide. I would not trust it against a nylon waster let alone blunt steel. The fencing mask is steel and designed to take that kind of impact. The Kendoka should be the one wearing a fencing mask.
Many Kendo helmets have an acrilic screen in front of the eyes so flying splinters from the shinai won't hit them. I hope his had because I was afraid of that as well.
Glad to see some other people do a kendo vs rapier fighting. One of the guys at my gym does kendo and he had to basically learn a whole new technique to deal with us rapier users. The kendo guy is dealing with the other weapon very well by using the strength of his shinai well against the agility and length of the rapier.
@@houghwhite411 Tbh I would like to see the kendoka use a proper weighted katana. You will see more accurate demonstrations of swordfighting in "kenjutsu" sparing. I've practiced both HEMA (german longsword, dussack, british tradition sabre, german sidesword, italian rapier) and Kendo.
@@18ps3anos on this channel thy clock the strike speed of a Korean pro using both. Katana was actually faster (133 vs 167ms). They thought it had to do with air resistance.
Yep, rapiers are heavier than they look. One handed swords with modern fencing techiniques tend to put a lot of stress on the hand, that's why they are pretty deadly if used in conjuction with a dagger or a buckler on the off hand. Sabers and medieval arming swords, on the other hand, are more versatile, you can cut and do other, more creative stuff with them.
true i find the best guys are free flow who dont stick to form i started going that way and it made me much better since as long as you work with your weapon you can do anything within its limits
@@dr.dylansgame5583 Exactly! First master the mechanical techniques of a weapon but pay deeper attention to the underlying principles. Techniques are not set in stone, and are just examples on how to apply a principal. Don't memorize War and Peace...Learn how to read!
Kenshi is going to look back on this video years from now and say, “I can’t believe I used to turn my left foot to 90 degrees and drag it across the ground.”
Actually when you fight for real and not in a kendo bout is natural for the rear foot to turn 90 degrees: if you study the koryu (the old school) you'll see that all of them have the rear foot quite open, if not completely 90 degrees
@@64Rosso I feel I can have better footwork and further leap if both feet are facing the opponent, I practice Kenjutsu and that's how they taught it to me, what do you think is better for fight efficiency ?
@@kronoscamron7412 In Katori Shinto Ryu the rear foot is open, more or less 90 degrees; in Aikido it's the same, in Kashima Shinto Ryu too... If you you want just go back and forth facing just one opponent then maybe the Kendo stance is the best, but if want to be able to perform circular movements, or face more than one opponent, then you need to have the hips open, not blocked towards only one direction. This is what I've learned in my years of training and study, but you know what they say: "You never stop learning" :-) May I ask you what style of kenjutsu are you studying?
This was pretty cool. The kendoka couldn't complete with the rapier's reach, but he got the measure of it very quickly. And two handed sword is typically faster and quicker to adjust than a one handed sword (wrists move faster than arms). It was interesting to see them both adapting and switching up what they were doing to try and pull ahead.
thanks for that ... i dind't see that initially ... but after your comment i realised they had.. thanks.. i hadn't realized at all... feel so silly for missing that as they both adapted... good eye...
That kendoka couldn’t. His technique is beginner level. (Shodan in kendo is not high) He could barely reach kote, let alone men. Hard to watch actually.
"two handed sword is typically faster and quicker to adjust than a one handed sword (wrists move faster than arms)" A lot of the action in rapier fencing comes from the wrist, and the rapier's point of balance is optimized to enable very quick pointwork. It's not a light weapon, tho, so it would be usually used together wit ha dagger.
Its very interesting to see how these two things relate to each other. Different weapons bring different perspectives in combat. Each has its own characteristic with movement and technique. Great video !
La katana es un arma antigua y es una reliquia, no te protege ni muñeca ni mano, mal equilibrada, se usa a dos manos, nada que ver con la ropera española y daga, eso era lo mejor
Yay! Cloak and dagger techniques! I have personally learned them and i'm always so sure of myself whenever i have a sweater, i think to myself: "if i can stop a somewhat skilled sword man with a cloak, then i prabably can win against a knife weilding mugger with not so much experience!" Haha Cloak techniques are just like brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, they give confidence to people!
At the end of the day, thrust from a rapier is much more difficult to defend compared to a cut. Its one of the reasons why they became so popular, other being the fact that they are better at penetrating light armor and even mail.
I love this channel. It’s very interesting to see, it’s almost like the beginning of UFC when there was karate, judo, bjj, Greco-Roman wrestling, boxing et.c. A genuine strive to learn swordsmanship, by facing other styles and trying to be as real as possible.
I don't really compare them Both techniques are cool Due to the fact that they have their own unique ways of fighting styles, and the fighting style changes depending to a master But, you can compare two masters, on which of their techniques are superior Either of them are great, techniques depends on its user So yah, each every martial arts is cool in their own way In summary *I like both of them ^u^*
@@ended-randomcreations Yes. But in common we know that thust can reach a vital organ in one blow. The cutting slice fencing has his strong points, it can inutilizate enemy for after being slaughter. A obvius. A good swords figther normaly wins..greeting from Brasil
@@furiacabocla2furiacabocla589 I agree that a stab reaches an organ and can cripple people, but a slice covers more area. wouldn't that disable someone faster to finish them off or is there another advantage to thrusts?
That katana user is fast, probably the fastest from the vid on YT :), but still im kinda buffled why the Rapier user was just waiting for attacks not using his range advantage, piercing etc. He is just passively waiting most of the time for an attack. Almost every time when the Rapier user started to be agressive he instantly was getting hits as first, but yeah the problem is hitting and not getting hit back by katana in responce, althrough rapiers were used with daggers and that would be a huge advantage vs swords used two handedly. Rapier is just a duelist weapon desinged to use with a 2nd specialist weapon, specially effective vs none/low armored targets and has advantage in that aspect in terms of duel.
The shinai is very fast to the parry because it is quite light, the rapier is still 1-1.3kgs in one hand. Reach advantage is matched by speed disadvantage. As soon as you shoot a thrust which gets parried and youre still on the lunge and the shinai guy is charging forwards what can you do then? Not much. Better to be patient and pick your moments
i like how this video shows the most skillful strikes of both instead of trying to make one look better they all look real like the fought for some time
Bit of a mismatch here, though, because the shinai used by the kendoka is practice tool that weighs a fraction of the sword it's meant to represent, whereas the rapierist is using basically a blunted replica of a real sword, historically weighted. Here, the kendoka is playing a martial sport, fighting someone who is practicing a martial art. Do the same thing but swap out the kendoka for a kenjitsu master with a blunt steel katana and you have a more accurate version of this matchup.
I think they both enjoyed making this video as much as I like watching the vidio! 🙂 Loved the sence of humour both displayed followed by a very good demonstion of their respective skills!
As far as rapiers go its easy to forget how a how large an impact a small movement can be. Destreza is the perfect example of such. Its very hard to initiate a cut 2 handed against an opponent whos home base is a middle guard. The hands or body are almost always exposed to quick assault on wind up.
Great video. I love both styles but the thrust being quicker and more direct than the slash, rapier has advantage. Ofc always depends on the swordsman.
i disagree. Looking at the video, most of the time the rapier doesn't land, and even if it does, the damage is non-fatal. But the kendo strikes would all have been fatal, even the strikes to the hand would have cut the hand off. The kendo head strikes would have been instant kill
@@henrylau3888 I disagree with your disagreement. Thrusts may not *look* as lethal as cuts, but a puncture to the lungs, heart, head, and digestive organs would kill you. Heart and head would kill you immediately, punctures to the lungs will have you drowning in your own blood, and punctures to the guts would leave you with "undesirables" getting all over your other organs and dying of a very quick infection and or the toxins from your body's own waste. Training rapiers are also allot different from real ones. Real rapiers were allot sturdier and rigid, they had to be in order to get through thick clothing, rib cages, and even skulls. Yes, a dedicated thrust to the skull with a battle-ready rapier would have gone through the entire structure and pop out the other end. Not to mentions the reach advantage, superior hand protection, and the fact that thrust are far more difficult to spot and predict than cuts. The reason why training rapiers are allot more flexible is because you don't want to hurt people when jamming a thin metal stick onto their torso when you're just practicing. Most modern reproductions for sparring are far more flexible than their historical counterparts for that reason. For the rapier man not hitting as much as the Kendo man, I'd put it up to the Katana man just having better reaction time and physic. Rapier man did look a bit chonky, ngl.
@@henrylau3888 I just took a longer look at the video and brought out the notepad, the Rapier user only lost by one point. Not very considerable as a whole. Also, the fact that they were actually just playing around and having fun, by the looks of it, rather than doing any serious sparring, doesn't really show both weapons their best performance.
@@mask8402 Agree, but also disagree. The rapier thrust will be lethal, but will take time for the blood lost and organ damage to take effect. The cuts through musculature will instantly disable because the muscles damaged will be no longer be functional from that moment on.
@N Maruri Through the brain case yes. Otherwise, no. For me personally, a scratch would probably have me on the floor crying. In the Blackhawk Down episode, an American soldier was shot with an unexploded RPG and kept fighting. People have been shot in the heart and head and kept fighting, only to die later. Unless a hit disconnects the central nervous system, there is no guarantee the fight stops.
Awesome video! Love the fun and laid-back energy of it! Not gonna lie though: it did have me a smidge concerned that the Kendoka wasn't given a 3-weapon mask or something designed for things with smaller points than shinai. (I'm assuming you guys already checked that before bouting though. :p )
Other than the crippling anxiety that the rapier would go through the gap in the men and pierce the kendoka’s eye, this is rly exhilarating to watch. both sides had really good seme and ki. I actually have fought against someone with a shinai and kodachi b4 but never against someone with a cloak. It probably wouldn’t work well since shinai tips are cloth and our gloves are pretty much mittens.
This reminds me of my friend and I. In high school, we used to go outside during lunch with a couple of foam polo bats (roughly the size and shape of a mace) and hockey shin pads we'd strap to our arms, and duel with them. He had taken Kendo lessons before, and I mainly mimicked HEMA using a one-handed weapon and makeshift shield (I had taken no lessons in anything of the sort). Despite the fact that he had taken lessons and I hadn't, we were surprisingly even as we messed around and whacked each other with foam clubs. It was a lot of fun, and I'm surprised the teachers gave us permission to do that.
The kendo fencer definitely has the better skills. The rapier fencer was super timid with the bind, and the kendo fencer just controlled everything for most of what I saw. Just seemed like the rapier fencer was really afraid of getting hit, which tells me he doesn't know much about point control or defense. Really entertaining video tho. :)
I feel in a lot of these battles, the Kendoka is far more skilled and practiced than his opponents. What are the rankings in sport of the fighter with the rapier, in this case? We know the kendoka is 1st Dan, but the other fighter is...?
@@eddiehazard3340 was pointing out the rapier guy level. Hes quite low skilled, basically waiting for hits, not using much defensive/aggressive maneuvers
Whenever I see these kendo vs. rapier/foil/epee fights, the thing that always bothers me is that the protection each person wears is designed to protect them from their own weapon, not the weapon of the other discipline. This is dangerous! The helmet the kendoka wears is not designed to stop a thin metal blade. I have watched many videos like this: Why does nobody ever see this problem?
because the equipment is largely the same. practice rapiers are made with this in mind, and always have a rubber, plastic, or cork tip applied for safety.
@@neverseemstoAsh doesnt matter. A kendo mask has such big opening a rapier tip could just get through. And after it get through the tip could well made of rubber but a rubber on a tip of rapier thats thrusted by a grown men is gonna mess your face really bad, or even your brain.
@@bilibiliism it's a cork shaped tip though, it's not pointy. it's pretty wide, and even hits the kendo guy in the face a couple of times. it seems to work fine
Finally, a good kendoka fighting a western style. I usually look at kendo vs western fights and think, "Damn this kendo is weak." This video was a refreshing surprise (( =|=)/ Nice kote's by the way 👍
@@joaquindegirolamo1885 he doesnt even know how to lunge, and no distance sense at all. He start to explore fancy stuffs like dual sword and the coat work when he has NO BASICS. What do u call this kind of fencer in kendo??? Imagine a newbie who cannot even properly hit kote but start to explore nito or right hand jodan.
He's actually quite noobish, but always dismiss Korean "kendo vs hema" vids because they're always extremely biased. The Korean kendo scene had been salty over the haemorrhaging of Kendoka to hema the last couple of years.
The "rapist" is a HEMA practicioner, not the Olympic fencer. The HEMA fighters are wearing much stronger gears, so there was nothing really threatening him.
@@anton.chigrinetc.96 Besides the fact that it's point is narrow enough to go the the grill of the menpo. Eyepokes hurt no matter how blunt the object.
when the Dutch blew ashore in Japan from a Strom "late 1600" early 1700's, an The sloth ridden terror group know as Sumari ~fought them on the beach , Katana VS Rapier, the Dutch wipe them out, not even close "after being roughed up aboard a sea strom).. There's a very artful drawing of the encounter on Koba Japan " re
At least give the kendoka a mesh style mask before you start aim at his head, man. You might've poked out his eyes. There are only limited supply of sword people you can spar with.
A bit unfair I think, that rapier looks fairly heavy and historical, while the kendoka only has a shinai, which are significantly lighter than historical (metal!) katana.
The rapier guy was not very good either. Watch other videos of rapier folks using heavy rapiers and beating kendokas. It largely comes down to the individual fighter's skill.
There is always skill difference when you compare the two sport and duel them. Kendo only learns how to duel against kendo and similarly for rapier fencing. Honestly though if there was a sport where your given the choice of either kendo or fencing sword then I believe rapier will dominate.
@@vainklutz3179 idk man, there will be always people that will be exeptional with the katana or long sword, remember that with one of those you can easily (kinda haha) move the rapier out of the way to attack, and as rapier users have to be pointing their weapon to at their foe, it is not so hard to aim for it, you can see on this video how the Kendoka kept being able to hit near the wrist withou letting his opponent lunge at him, and he was aiming for the wrist! What if he goes for the rapier? But in the case of a school/dojo where you can use the weapon of your choosing, people will probably adapt to this, as i am _not so good_ with rapiers, i can't accuratelly tell how would that look like, but the point is that both weapons have their strenghts! None will "dominate" over the other, as both sides will constantly adapt their game!
The question which one had the best fighting style was already solved 500 years ago. The Portugese landed, won every fight with two hand fighting against anyone who tried to challenge them, Musashi was an eye witness of that and copied the Portugese style and adopted it, he became the best fighter of japan and a legend with a copy of the Portugese style defeating every existing fencing master of japan. Old age European style > old age Japanese style. if you believe mushashi didnt use portugese sailor dual wielding style, than you are in pure denial.
There's no evidence Musashi witness Portuguese dual wielding, dual wielding was also a thing in Japan long before him, he's just famous for opening a school particularly for it, it came from his family linkage of jitte, he's not the best fighter in Japan history there were even Samurai with a higher win count of duels than him. his book was not even widely known about until a radio broadcast made it popular in the 50s. He also lost duels and parts of his life are questionable.
Also I think know what you are talkin about regarding the first half those stories regarding dueling likely never happen as the story doesn't make sense when you look into it, but if we were to take the stories into account then the second apsidal to be acknowledged as a Japanese I turned the tables and one every single dual after.
The rapier fencer is "Rapier Duello". Here is his channel. Feel free to check it out.
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I loved this! Fun and respectful.
Amazing. 😹
Le gars au fleuret n'aurait aucune chance contre un katana
1-C'est pas un fleuret, c'est une rapière. Fleuret : arme d'entraînement à l'épée de cour (essentiellement d'estoc) ; Rapière : arme de duel et de guerre, d'estoc et de taille.
2-Aucune chance contre un katana : est-ce que le katana se manie tout seul ? Un expert du katana ou un novice auront-ils le même résultat face à l'escrimeur de la vidéo, qui semble plutôt expert dans sa discipline ?
3-le 16ème siècle a vu quelques rencontres entre des combattants européens armés (entre autres) de rapières, et des combattants japonais armés (entre autres) de katanas, et surprise, ça s'est souvent pas bien fini pour les porteurs de la célèbre épée anti tank...
Dans l'absolu, si l'arme fait le soldat, le guerrier fait l'arme.
kendo guy: bonks rapier guy on the head twice
rapier guy, pulling out a dagger: *"And I took that personally."*
I think it's a kendo girl
@@ghifarakbar8492 it is indeed
That gave him a huge advantage
*BONK*
@@johnmaco who
I love that this isn't some kind of weapon vs video. Instead, it's just a fun video of two people having fun practicing their respective disciplines, with the added bonus of great sound effects and animations. Very well done, gentlemen. Very well done.
Rapier deserves honest disrespect for being a nonsense weapon, it's a joke to even call it a weapon!
Also both wearing masks and respecting social distancing guidelines.
@@vonburen888 'Scuse me?
1:26 Yes, it's a great video and I agree completely, however you wrote, "Gentlemen." With all do respect, the Kendoka is a woman, and I think she slaughtered the Ropera.
@@jasonuerkvitz3756 Ah, I'm sorry. I didn't know she was a woman. In that case, very well done to both the lady and the gentleman.
I wonder why whenever there's a weapon match between different discipline that they always wear their own protection for the weapon they're using. They should switch mask! The fencing mask is not enough to dampen the heavy blow of the bamboo blade and the Kendo mask is not enough to stop the rapier's tip.
I've wondered the same. They should essentially switch gears to match the weapon of their opponent 😁 But I think it's done mostly for "artistic" reasons, as in to make it clear what kinda equipment both uses. Still doesn't make it as safe as it should of course. Gotta be careful with training 👍
That's a good point. I think what is needed is a redesign of the armour for various disciplines so that they can compete with each other. The new design should not just be functional but incorporate the look of the outfit of the various discipline for aesthetic purposes.
@@Tastybones There's probably no "one size fits all" approach. I guess what one would use depends on the weapons involved. Also, rule set.
@N Maruri The armour or rather the equipment used must be functional like you say.
@@varanid9 Ya, it would be hard. Though it seems that the Hema gear seems to be sufficient for all the weapon types. Which weapon do you feel it's inadequate against?
Seeing Japanese-based swordsmen fighting European-based swordsmen gives me 'Anakin vs Count Dooku' vibes.
More like Count Dooku VS Anakin vibes
@@Aletek The wakou were mostly chinese and korean if I remember correctly.
@@atom8248 They were mixed, Chinese, Korean and Japanese but the majority were Chinese
@@Aletek yes, but with fire weapons too, not only swords.
@@Aletek Wasn't it the Portuguese specifically?
Good stuff! This video definitely shows off the strengths and weaknesses of each style. You can clearly see how the rapier goes from having an advantage at a distance, to being at a colossal disadvantage once the distance is closed.
Yeah the rapierist need dagger in his off hand to cover the close range
A rapier user allowing the distance to be closed is doing it wrong. Reach advantage is king in all realistic melee combat. This is why polearms dominated in military history.
As for kendo, it's a bit silly to pit a kendoka against anything but another kendoka. Like pugilism, kendo as a sport is defined by its self-imposed restrictions. In contrast, the rapier is defined by the question, 'what's the most effective sword possible for defeating an unarmored foe in a strictly 1v1 context?'
Anyway, I don't know if you noticed, but the guy is using the rapier, and he's not going 100% at his girlfriend kendoka. Because, you know, don't wanna bully your girl. If you look up actual fencing competition videos here, you're gonna see radically more back and forward movement from the fencers than what this guy is doing. This guy is deliberately staying close enough to the kendoka to make this video fun.
@@CognizantCheddar keeping the reach advantage is easier said than done, especially going against a skilled opponent of any style. For example, I have personally seen and experienced an escrima practitioner with a short machete absolutely trounce a skilled rapierist.
@@CognizantCheddar a kendoka who is aggressively running forward with kiri kaeshi will absolutely collapse the guard of a rapier-wielder trying to run backwards
I keep worrying that the rapier is going to go through the kendoka's mask
@@polecat3 Depends on how wide the bird-blunt/leather+washer setup is compared to the bar spacing.
We don't exactly add these on initially with Kendo masks in mind.
the kendo guy should wear hema armor and vice versa
They should exchange helmets.
The cage on my Kendo Men is just aluminum and the bars are spaced pretty wide. I would not trust it against a nylon waster let alone blunt steel. The fencing mask is steel and designed to take that kind of impact. The Kendoka should be the one wearing a fencing mask.
wont pass, we tried.
This video made my day. Sparring between disciplines doesn’t seem to happen much, but is so beautiful, educational, and entertaining.
Love the little animations showing the hits! Really improves the legibility of the fight!
I'm too mich a noob. I need them color-coded to actually see who hit at times.
@@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145 maybe we can get electric HEMA going using fencing boxes....lol
would it not make more sense, to change the armor? Stabbing a Kendo Mask with a rapier might become a problem...
I thought exactly that and formulated the same sentence in my head. 8-)
No,.. rapier is supposed to poke your eyes out, if not pierce your brain. Kendo mask should be resilient enough though.
@@chubbymoth5810 The front of the Kendo mask has such big openings, that a slender rapier blade might stab through it
Many Kendo helmets have an acrilic screen in front of the eyes so flying splinters from the shinai won't hit them. I hope his had because I was afraid of that as well.
@@Corellon666 rapier has a pretected tip but yea, might still go through.
For 1 one 1 dueling, rapiers are EXTREMELY good weapons
They are S tier in Dark Souls for a reason
@@Bluzlbee Man its a game.
@@Bluzlbee I have no idea what that's supposed to mean?
@@Bluzlbee lol made my day
@@Bluzlbee combined with a buckler and proper rolls you will be invincible as long as you get some parries and backstabs in
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Glad to see some other people do a kendo vs rapier fighting. One of the guys at my gym does kendo and he had to basically learn a whole new technique to deal with us rapier users. The kendo guy is dealing with the other weapon very well by using the strength of his shinai well against the agility and length of the rapier.
Yes, the kendo stick seem to have more momentum since it's two handed vs rapier one handed, it would throw the rapier on a flick
Interesting right
@@houghwhite411 Tbh I would like to see the kendoka use a proper weighted katana. You will see more accurate demonstrations of swordfighting in "kenjutsu" sparing. I've practiced both HEMA (german longsword, dussack, british tradition sabre, german sidesword, italian rapier) and Kendo.
And you all too? )) or it is no need for you cause rapirier fighter dominate all the time?
@@18ps3anos same hear. A katana with a dulled blade.
@@18ps3anos on this channel thy clock the strike speed of a Korean pro using both. Katana was actually faster (133 vs 167ms). They thought it had to do with air resistance.
You have to be strong as hell to fight with a rapier. Rapierists always start off strong and then get more sluggish as the match goes on.
Yep, rapiers are heavier than they look. One handed swords with modern fencing techiniques tend to put a lot of stress on the hand, that's why they are pretty deadly if used in conjuction with a dagger or a buckler on the off hand. Sabers and medieval arming swords, on the other hand, are more versatile, you can cut and do other, more creative stuff with them.
Real facts. Armchair experts always give their game away when they thibk of the rapier as light and airy
@@shinx-hr6uq it is light and airy
for like a minute...
@@urmomgay0166 Lol it really isn't. You can generally say that the rapier is the heaviest type of single-handed sword that ever saw popular use.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 what part of "for like a minute" you dont understand
Fun video. I have practiced both style of fencing. Totally depends on the skill of the individual swordsman.
true i find the best guys are free flow who dont stick to form i started going that way and it made me much better since as long as you work with your weapon you can do anything within its limits
@@dr.dylansgame5583 Exactly! First master the mechanical techniques of a weapon but pay deeper attention to the underlying principles. Techniques are not set in stone, and are just examples on how to apply a principal. Don't memorize War and Peace...Learn how to read!
@@richardschafer7858 , I learned from this, thank you!
Miyamoto Musashi vs Cerano DeBergarac....🥋⚔🤺
Все верно!
It's good to see a equal level of both practictioners. Great sportsmanship and lots of fun. Awesome exchanges and varied techniques.
Kenshi is going to look back on this video years from now and say, “I can’t believe I used to turn my left foot to 90 degrees and drag it across the ground.”
Actually when you fight for real and not in a kendo bout is natural for the rear foot to turn 90 degrees: if you study the koryu (the old school) you'll see that all of them have the rear foot quite open, if not completely 90 degrees
ye absolutely poor form.
yet they do it all the time in Olympic fencing and Hema. . watch sparring matches of Hema and fencing, you will see how common it is.
@@64Rosso I feel I can have better footwork and further leap if both feet are facing the opponent, I practice Kenjutsu and that's how they taught it to me, what do you think is better for fight efficiency ?
@@kronoscamron7412 In Katori Shinto Ryu the rear foot is open, more or less 90 degrees; in Aikido it's the same, in Kashima Shinto Ryu too...
If you you want just go back and forth facing just one opponent then maybe the Kendo stance is the best, but if want to be able to perform circular movements, or face more than one opponent, then you need to have the hips open, not blocked towards only one direction.
This is what I've learned in my years of training and study, but you know what they say: "You never stop learning" :-)
May I ask you what style of kenjutsu are you studying?
Very nice!
Ok, that was really fun to watch. Well done. Can we get some more of this kinda content in the future? :)
This was pretty cool. The kendoka couldn't complete with the rapier's reach, but he got the measure of it very quickly. And two handed sword is typically faster and quicker to adjust than a one handed sword (wrists move faster than arms). It was interesting to see them both adapting and switching up what they were doing to try and pull ahead.
thanks for that ... i dind't see that initially ... but after your comment i realised they had.. thanks.. i hadn't realized at all... feel so silly for missing that as they both adapted... good eye...
That kendoka couldn’t.
His technique is beginner level. (Shodan in kendo is not high) He could barely reach kote, let alone men. Hard to watch actually.
Rapier guy is low level tbh. He keep distance very badly. Rapier doesn't leave almost any chance to katana because of very long reach.
"two handed sword is typically faster and quicker to adjust than a one handed sword (wrists move faster than arms)"
A lot of the action in rapier fencing comes from the wrist, and the rapier's point of balance is optimized to enable very quick pointwork.
It's not a light weapon, tho, so it would be usually used together wit ha dagger.
Its very interesting to see how these two things relate to each other. Different weapons bring different perspectives in combat. Each has its own characteristic with movement and technique. Great video !
Yeah, the well aimed wooden sword makes headache, and the rapier makes holes.
It's a total mismatch, but still fun to watch.
Wouldn't be the case against a two-handed sword
La katana es un arma antigua y es una reliquia, no te protege ni muñeca ni mano, mal equilibrada, se usa a dos manos, nada que ver con la ropera española y daga, eso era lo mejor
Loved it guys thank you very much for creating! Well done to both combatants!
Hey, very cool visualisation of strikes! Wish to see more combat (may be more serious) videos in this style!
Good job!
This is fantastic. Kenjutsu would be very different, but this is the best!
Yay! Cloak and dagger techniques! I have personally learned them and i'm always so sure of myself whenever i have a sweater, i think to myself: "if i can stop a somewhat skilled sword man with a cloak, then i prabably can win against a knife weilding mugger with not so much experience!" Haha Cloak techniques are just like brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, they give confidence to people!
I had a thick leather jacket that made it hard for me to get stabbed, , it was like a well made leather armor, It made me feel secure.
@@kronoscamron7412 you ever tried stabbing it?
@@ttchme9816 He did. Rip Kronos camron.
And great animation + sounds
Make more of these
2:05 most Spanish way to fight ever
2:41 was suuuuuch a nice hit. I love these videos of yours, I used to fight like this with my friends in highschool.
This video deserves more likes and views.
This view likes more deserves and video.
Love the special effects!! Your videos are awesome .. thankyou for your time and effort
The swordsman with the rapier demonstrates an impressive ability to fight both left-handed and right-handed 😁
Miyamoto musashi send his regards 😅 i was hoping kendoka pull out the short bamboo sword
@@XVIIFTW he could be easily just overhyped because well, no one really knows if he even existed...
2:40 EXCELLENT maneuver 🤩 !!!
loved this video, hope you'll make another one
This is the most positive thing I've seen in my entire life!
Wow. I always had a feeling the cloak and dagger would work that well. But seeing it action just shows how real world techniques are deadly!
At the end of the day, thrust from a rapier is much more difficult to defend compared to a cut. Its one of the reasons why they became so popular, other being the fact that they are better at penetrating light armor and even mail.
Not gonna lie as a Japanese and someone whose had years of kendo, the jacket use was genius.
I love this channel. It’s very interesting to see, it’s almost like the beginning of UFC when there was karate, judo, bjj, Greco-Roman wrestling, boxing et.c.
A genuine strive to learn swordsmanship, by facing other styles and trying to be as real as possible.
quick, sharp kendo techniques. nice.
Two homies having fun. The type of video I like to see.
Kinda crazy how fast that Kendoka moved during certain attacks, the dude's nimble AF. They both did really well though, a treat to watch.
One that goes
Slicey slice slice
And the other goes
Stabby stab stab
Yes!… thrust vs. cut. A pretty even match.
Stab kills more easely than cut. But was brave a funny.. Just a match..
I don't really compare them
Both techniques are cool
Due to the fact that they have their own unique ways of fighting styles, and the fighting style changes depending to a master
But, you can compare two masters, on which of their techniques are superior
Either of them are great, techniques depends on its user
So yah, each every martial arts is cool in their own way
In summary
*I like both of them ^u^*
@@ended-randomcreations Yes. But in common we know that thust can reach a vital organ in one blow. The cutting slice fencing has his strong points, it can inutilizate enemy for after being slaughter. A obvius. A good swords figther normaly wins..greeting from Brasil
@@furiacabocla2furiacabocla589 I agree that a stab reaches an organ and can cripple people, but a slice covers more area. wouldn't that disable someone faster to finish them off or is there another advantage to thrusts?
That katana user is fast, probably the fastest from the vid on YT :), but still im kinda buffled why the Rapier user was just waiting for attacks not using his range advantage, piercing etc. He is just passively waiting most of the time for an attack. Almost every time when the Rapier user started to be agressive he instantly was getting hits as first, but yeah the problem is hitting and not getting hit back by katana in responce, althrough rapiers were used with daggers and that would be a huge advantage vs swords used two handedly. Rapier is just a duelist weapon desinged to use with a 2nd specialist weapon, specially effective vs none/low armored targets and has advantage in that aspect in terms of duel.
The shinai is very fast to the parry because it is quite light, the rapier is still 1-1.3kgs in one hand. Reach advantage is matched by speed disadvantage. As soon as you shoot a thrust which gets parried and youre still on the lunge and the shinai guy is charging forwards what can you do then? Not much. Better to be patient and pick your moments
Because thrusting is not always lethal
he is only 1st Dan, how can he be the fastest. Look at some 7+ Dan spars)
@@moXnoX1 I think he means the fastest of people shown in kendo vs hema bouts
@@thomastucker7317 Exacly what i wrote :)
i like how this video shows the most skillful strikes of both instead of trying to make one look better they all look real like the fought for some time
Very nice ! NIce display of the different combinations possible when you fight with rapier sword : with cloak, with dagger, ...
That was really good, keep them coming!
I love how they're just having fun 😁
Love it just subscribed after watching a few
Bit of a mismatch here, though, because the shinai used by the kendoka is practice tool that weighs a fraction of the sword it's meant to represent, whereas the rapierist is using basically a blunted replica of a real sword, historically weighted.
Here, the kendoka is playing a martial sport, fighting someone who is practicing a martial art.
Do the same thing but swap out the kendoka for a kenjitsu master with a blunt steel katana and you have a more accurate version of this matchup.
I think they both enjoyed making this video as much as I like watching the vidio! 🙂 Loved the sence of humour both displayed followed by a very good demonstion of their respective skills!
Muy buena demostración mostrando estas dos artes, muchas gracias
Yo the Defense with dagger was actually really smooth
1:18
Kendo "Contemplate my full power"
Rapier "time for my last resource!"
Beaux combats, toujours le respect des arts de chacun. Super vidéo, 👍👍👍👍👍 bien joué !!
As far as rapiers go its easy to forget how a how large an impact a small movement can be. Destreza is the perfect example of such. Its very hard to initiate a cut 2 handed against an opponent whos home base is a middle guard. The hands or body are almost always exposed to quick assault on wind up.
Crazy brilliant…good job guys.👍
Great video.
I love both styles but the thrust being quicker and more direct than the slash, rapier has advantage. Ofc always depends on the swordsman.
i disagree. Looking at the video, most of the time the rapier doesn't land, and even if it does, the damage is non-fatal. But the kendo strikes would all have been fatal, even the strikes to the hand would have cut the hand off. The kendo head strikes would have been instant kill
@@henrylau3888 I disagree with your disagreement. Thrusts may not *look* as lethal as cuts, but a puncture to the lungs, heart, head, and digestive organs would kill you. Heart and head would kill you immediately, punctures to the lungs will have you drowning in your own blood, and punctures to the guts would leave you with "undesirables" getting all over your other organs and dying of a very quick infection and or the toxins from your body's own waste.
Training rapiers are also allot different from real ones. Real rapiers were allot sturdier and rigid, they had to be in order to get through thick clothing, rib cages, and even skulls. Yes, a dedicated thrust to the skull with a battle-ready rapier would have gone through the entire structure and pop out the other end. Not to mentions the reach advantage, superior hand protection, and the fact that thrust are far more difficult to spot and predict than cuts.
The reason why training rapiers are allot more flexible is because you don't want to hurt people when jamming a thin metal stick onto their torso when you're just practicing. Most modern reproductions for sparring are far more flexible than their historical counterparts for that reason.
For the rapier man not hitting as much as the Kendo man, I'd put it up to the Katana man just having better reaction time and physic. Rapier man did look a bit chonky, ngl.
@@henrylau3888 I just took a longer look at the video and brought out the notepad, the Rapier user only lost by one point. Not very considerable as a whole. Also, the fact that they were actually just playing around and having fun, by the looks of it, rather than doing any serious sparring, doesn't really show both weapons their best performance.
@@mask8402 Agree, but also disagree. The rapier thrust will be lethal, but will take time for the blood lost and organ damage to take effect. The cuts through musculature will instantly disable because the muscles damaged will be no longer be functional from that moment on.
@N Maruri Through the brain case yes. Otherwise, no. For me personally, a scratch would probably have me on the floor crying.
In the Blackhawk Down episode, an American soldier was shot with an unexploded RPG and kept fighting. People have been shot in the heart and head and kept fighting, only to die later. Unless a hit disconnects the central nervous system, there is no guarantee the fight stops.
This had me cracking up, looked fun! 😊
Awesome video! Love the fun and laid-back energy of it!
Not gonna lie though: it did have me a smidge concerned that the Kendoka wasn't given a 3-weapon mask or something designed for things with smaller points than shinai. (I'm assuming you guys already checked that before bouting though. :p )
Impressive techniques. Their moves are all cleanly cut, no fancy stuffs, I like it
Man Medieval Total War really improved it's graphics
I loved this, It was so fun to watch ^ ^
Other than the crippling anxiety that the rapier would go through the gap in the men and pierce the kendoka’s eye, this is rly exhilarating to watch. both sides had really good seme and ki. I actually have fought against someone with a shinai and kodachi b4 but never against someone with a cloak. It probably wouldn’t work well since shinai tips are cloth and our gloves are pretty much mittens.
Dear Weaponism, what a great series of matches between different weapon bearers! Love it! :D
They really needed to swap masks for safety reason.
I like the edit and DBZ sound effects 👌
Okay this looks more realistic than wingchun video
They even had that wacky movie moment where both opponents drop their wreapons and switch lol
This reminds me of my friend and I. In high school, we used to go outside during lunch with a couple of foam polo bats (roughly the size and shape of a mace) and hockey shin pads we'd strap to our arms, and duel with them. He had taken Kendo lessons before, and I mainly mimicked HEMA using a one-handed weapon and makeshift shield (I had taken no lessons in anything of the sort). Despite the fact that he had taken lessons and I hadn't, we were surprisingly even as we messed around and whacked each other with foam clubs. It was a lot of fun, and I'm surprised the teachers gave us permission to do that.
Thisisvery good research! The long reach of the rapier does make it hard to enter their center for a big cut👏👏👏
The kendo fencer definitely has the better skills. The rapier fencer was super timid with the bind, and the kendo fencer just controlled everything for most of what I saw. Just seemed like the rapier fencer was really afraid of getting hit, which tells me he doesn't know much about point control or defense.
Really entertaining video tho. :)
The edits are great.
I feel in a lot of these battles, the Kendoka is far more skilled and practiced than his opponents. What are the rankings in sport of the fighter with the rapier, in this case? We know the kendoka is 1st Dan, but the other fighter is...?
begginer to say something
@@eddiehazard3340 was pointing out the rapier guy level. Hes quite low skilled, basically waiting for hits, not using much defensive/aggressive maneuvers
Kendo guy is too brave using his kendo mask against a rapier. Seems like a good way to lose an eye
0:15 Did you thrust him in the face while your opponent is using a Kendo mask? It seems to be quite unsafe
Thats why the tip is fat and round
It prevents it from getting into kendo masks
@@richardskellington3476 Having worn both Kendo masks and used rapiers with large tips, there is no way that mask is safe.
Love your videos! just having fun with some swords!
1:44 my favorite part
dayum those disengages the kendo practitioner does after a successful strike to evade any simultaneous counter-strikes are S M O O T H
Whenever I see these kendo vs. rapier/foil/epee fights, the thing that always bothers me is that the protection each person wears is designed to protect them from their own weapon, not the weapon of the other discipline. This is dangerous! The helmet the kendoka wears is not designed to stop a thin metal blade. I have watched many videos like this: Why does nobody ever see this problem?
because the equipment is largely the same. practice rapiers are made with this in mind, and always have a rubber, plastic, or cork tip applied for safety.
@@neverseemstoAsh doesnt matter. A kendo mask has such big opening a rapier tip could just get through. And after it get through the tip could well made of rubber but a rubber on a tip of rapier thats thrusted by a grown men is gonna mess your face really bad, or even your brain.
@@bilibiliism it's a cork shaped tip though, it's not pointy. it's pretty wide, and even hits the kendo guy in the face a couple of times. it seems to work fine
Great vid, but 2:40 was especially freaking awesome. I didn't even catch it at first.
Finally, a good kendoka fighting a western style. I usually look at kendo vs western fights and think, "Damn this kendo is weak." This video was a refreshing surprise (( =|=)/
Nice kote's by the way 👍
X2
Im telling u this rapierist is trashy
@@finalcranefall6201 indeed, is the warrior, don't the style who fight and win!
@@joaquindegirolamo1885 rapier is a more advanced weapon and was designed to counter longsword.
@@joaquindegirolamo1885 he doesnt even know how to lunge, and no distance sense at all. He start to explore fancy stuffs like dual sword and the coat work when he has NO BASICS. What do u call this kind of fencer in kendo??? Imagine a newbie who cannot even properly hit kote but start to explore nito or right hand jodan.
注意安全，最好交换护具，剑道面具缝隙那么大迅捷剑很容易扎进去
Good fun! It’s very hard against a weapon that is specifically designed for dueling not necessarily war but it’s still fun.
Those are some mighty sweet boots Rapier is rocking. Gotta give him some extra points for the footwork.
Those taps on the head from the Kendoka are so cool, they're pretty much faster than the eye can see, and it's not something you would expect
Ребята показали отличный бой,спасибо за видео!
Honestly, I feel the rapier guy's too passive. He needs to move and engage more
He's actually quite noobish, but always dismiss Korean "kendo vs hema" vids because they're always extremely biased.
The Korean kendo scene had been salty over the haemorrhaging of Kendoka to hema the last couple of years.
pure sportsmanship and a pleasure to watch
where to learn kendo in Korea? I been looking for it for year.
Comeback to Vietnam and learn it bro :)) Korea is synonimous with taekwondo
@@empwron1 I don't live in Vietnam. lol
There are countless Kumdo clubs in Korea
Wtf
@@Cyanoblades i didnt know they called it Kumbo
Rapier guy in the thumbnail are pousing like: " bitch, i am fabulous"
From a safety point of view, doesn't it make more sense for the rapist to wear the kendo armor and the kendoka to wear the fencing gear?
The "rapist" is a HEMA practicioner, not the Olympic fencer. The HEMA fighters are wearing much stronger gears, so there was nothing really threatening him.
@@anton.chigrinetc.96 Besides the fact that it's point is narrow enough to go the the grill of the menpo. Eyepokes hurt no matter how blunt the object.
@@johnurbanek1027 the tips of the rapier and dagger look like they have safety caps on.
Be careful. "Rapierist."
when the Dutch blew ashore in Japan from a Strom "late 1600" early 1700's, an The sloth ridden terror group know as Sumari ~fought them on the beach , Katana VS Rapier, the Dutch wipe them out, not even close "after being roughed up aboard a sea strom).. There's a very artful drawing of the encounter on Koba Japan " re
I think it all depends on the level of training of the swordsman and his skill
The Soul Caliber sound effects are great!
At least give the kendoka a mesh style mask before you start aim at his head, man. You might've poked out his eyes. There are only limited supply of sword people you can spar with.
I love it 🤩🙌🏽
A bit unfair I think, that rapier looks fairly heavy and historical, while the kendoka only has a shinai, which are significantly lighter than historical (metal!) katana.
The rapier guy was not very good either. Watch other videos of rapier folks using heavy rapiers and beating kendokas.
It largely comes down to the individual fighter's skill.
There is always skill difference when you compare the two sport and duel them. Kendo only learns how to duel against kendo and similarly for rapier fencing.
Honestly though if there was a sport where your given the choice of either kendo or fencing sword then I believe rapier will dominate.
@@vainklutz3179 idk man, there will be always people that will be exeptional with the katana or long sword, remember that with one of those you can easily (kinda haha) move the rapier out of the way to attack, and as rapier users have to be pointing their weapon to at their foe, it is not so hard to aim for it, you can see on this video how the Kendoka kept being able to hit near the wrist withou letting his opponent lunge at him, and he was aiming for the wrist! What if he goes for the rapier? But in the case of a school/dojo where you can use the weapon of your choosing, people will probably adapt to this, as i am _not so good_ with rapiers, i can't accuratelly tell how would that look like, but the point is that both weapons have their strenghts! None will "dominate" over the other, as both sides will constantly adapt their game!
@@MrAlepedroza my thoughts in reverse, kendo boy outclasses this rapier guy.
And longer, and a bigger handle as well.
That was great light hearted and Fun I'd love to see more
The question which one had the best fighting style was already solved 500 years ago. The Portugese landed, won every fight with two hand fighting against anyone who tried to challenge them, Musashi was an eye witness of that and copied the Portugese style and adopted it, he became the best fighter of japan and a legend with a copy of the Portugese style defeating every existing fencing master of japan.
Old age European style > old age Japanese style.
if you believe mushashi didnt use portugese sailor dual wielding style, than you are in pure denial.
There's no evidence Musashi witness Portuguese dual wielding, dual wielding was also a thing in Japan long before him, he's just famous for opening a school particularly for it, it came from his family linkage of jitte, he's not the best fighter in Japan history there were even Samurai with a higher win count of duels than him. his book was not even widely known about until a radio broadcast made it popular in the 50s.
He also lost duels and parts of his life are questionable.
Also I think know what you are talkin about regarding the first half those stories regarding dueling likely never happen as the story doesn't make sense when you look into it, but if we were to take the stories into account then the second apsidal to be acknowledged as a Japanese I turned the tables and one every single dual after.
I am a 1 Dan myself, this is great to see I always wondered what would happen