Hey, you’re doing a lot for cross cultural weapon arts and I really love your work, may I make a suggestion for following videos: Use colored sashes (traditionally red vs blue) to denote fighters of different schools [Edit: different *styles* of weapon arts, even if they are trained by the same school of combat.], especially when they are using very similar kit. (equipment) It was hard with jump cuts in video and how similar each fighter’s gear was to each other, to follow which fighter was the Kendo fighter, and which was the Kenjutsu fighter.
@@weaponism my apologies, perhaps instead of different schools, a sash representing each different *style* on display, even if they are from the same school. Edit: and I know you are relying on translating tools and a media team. Sash is not the same thing as belt, in martial arts context. It’s [sash] is an ornament that does not say anything about a fighter’s skill. Just a way to tell fighters apart (difference).
The taller dark blue Kendoka use Kendo, shorter black Kendoka use Kenjutsu. A red & blue armband can work too. I dont know maybe its uploader's subtle way to test viewer's ability to see which one is which?
Your idea is a tested and proven method, most martial arts do that. For the moment you can try to identify them by looking at the back of their heads. One is white while the other is red.
@@leokim1458 Thank you, that is exactly why I suggested it. Weapon MMA has no real standards yet, but red vs blue is a good, and proven standard, that will carry through to what @Weaponism is doing with their work.
Generally, schools of kenjutsu that regularly spar do so under the "killing blow" is what stops the engagement, whilst kendo works on the "point" system, so in terms of competitive sparring kendo wins, but if it were a real duel between swordsmen? most likely kenjutsu wins, kenjutsu goes for the killing blow, kendo goes for the point.
It is strange to me that you think that that the kendo criteria for a valid strike (yuko datotsu) do not constitute a killing (or at least finishing) blow. If anything I would think the kendoka disadvantaged by the habit of ignoring indecisive attacks.
The point is the killing blow. Like the other friend said the weakness of the kendo "teaching style" would be theoratically that it ignores non decisive wounding hits and is focused on just the blows that will end the fight.
Both practicioners have such precise body movement. Even in slow-motion the cuts, deflects and the ways their bodies follow look astonishingly perfect. One of my favourite videos so far from you!
I like how both of them are aware enough to realise when they got hit first and then stop their own attack instead of "seeking revenge" by throwing an afterblow. Good Sportsmanship, great sparring partners! 👍
Except that's what would happen in a real fight? What's the point of scoring a killing blow if you yourself will die afterwards to the Nachschlag? The opponent won't magically stop their attack and it won't disappear into the ether. This is one of the major problems in modern weapon arts.
@@kodain Lmao. Since no one runs around with a katana trying to kill you, I think following the rules of the sport is good. And kendo isn't a 'modern martial art' it's been around since the 1919s if not even before then. I'm just dating it back when it apparently became an actual sport. And sportsmanship is something a lot of Americans lack. I've been doing kendo for two years now and I've seen more Americans try to go for the revenge strike so many times it's hard to keep track. This is a sport. Respect it and its rules. Also the traditions behind it. If you wanna play 'real combat' then do it in your head. Whenever I see someone go for the revenge strike it kinda pisses me off cause they know the rules, and it's clear they're just being a poor sport.
@@AsianWomenareGold Kendo is a watered down simulation of someone attacking you with a sword, trying to kill you. Anything 20th century is gendai: It's a modern combat sport. Yes, those are the rules for kendo, but they're not doing pure kendo here. As for history and tradition, kendo stems from gekiken, which in turn was a safer way to spar but still maintaining more elements of kenjutsu. Gekiken lastly then stems from kenjutsu, and in kenjutsu you will have to watch for an afterblow. If you want to practise a sport, go for it, but if you want to actually practise combat arts, then not including an afterblow is dumb.
@@kodain kendo is about the point system. One tap not room enough for an after blow. since that tap means you lost the round. So its not stupid for there not to be a after blow. Kendo is about skill and precision, so that you can perfect your attacks not for you to brawl without style. If it had an after blow like you think it should, no one would give a fuck about trying to avoid an attack which would defeat the whole purpose of blocking, evading, or deflecting and countering. Kendo is good as it is. Since once again it is a sport. If you want to practice an art where you must go for the vitals of a human, then go for kenjutsu. The objective of Kenjutsu is to learn how to kill or harm an opponent using a sword, whereas Kendo is used more for personal development and discipline. As you can clearly see the difference between the two. I'm taking kenjutsu next but I need the discipline first before I try it.
@@AsianWomenareGold "brawl without style." Any real fight will be messy. This isn't the movies. It's a very Japanese thing to do things with elegance, but for combat that goes out the window immediately. Again, if that's how kendo wants to do it, go ahead. This video wasn't pure kendo, however. I fail to see why you would ignore defence if an afterblow was a possibility. If anything, it's what will get you to cover yourself after a strike. HEMA does this all the time, and it works splendidly. That being said, fighting without armour has been described as suicide by several masters throughout the years, because aiuchi is very common. In HEMA, which also uses a point system, aiuchi doesn't count, and for any hit to count, you need to protect yourself from the afterblow. There is zero meaning in you getting in a hit if they kill you the second after. If you want to try kenjutsu, just go with kenjutsu. There's no need for you to do kendo first. Discipline will come with any art.
Love the comments about what Kendo and Kenjutsu are from people whose deepest experience in the arts stems from playing a few video games. The two arts are joined at the hip and complements of each other not competitors.
Awesome! I love it! Make another video like this in an open location, like a park etc. It would be great if every Kendo school also practiced Kenjutsu.
In terms of techniques, kenjutsu surely got an upper hand cause they have combo sets and off Kendo rules match moves. But in terms of speed, Kendo can be quite menacing since their eyes and body were trained on the prize (points). However Kenjutsu still got an upper hand since the tenacity of Kendo to gain points makes them ditch their defence in order to attack. Kenjutsu prioritise deflection and parry before striking. Both are good arts, but one is martial/combat arts while the other is sparring/competitive sport arts.
I prefer the kenjutsu techniques in the last video where there was more grappling and slicing at close range which I think is closer to battlefield sword dueling.
I wouldn’t say “kendo is weak” kendo is just an over simplified and “sportified” version of Kenjitsu they’re just used for different events. Kenjutsu is a battlefield martial art.. kendo is for the Olympics.. they should be considered equals in different realms of thought.. but if you boil them down to practicality, kenjutsu is the better way of defending yourself with a sword, because it doesn’t rely on “points scored” it relies on putting the opponent in a body bag so you get to go home safely and in one piece
I think their calling Kendo "weak" is more of a translation issue than anything else. In Korean, from what I can see (I don't speak Korean, so take it with a grain of salt), strong and weak are synonymous with good and bad, respectively. And the context they're trying to put it in is combative ability, near as I can tell.
@@Nuru3754 The community is very split on this. I don't think that any martial arts sport has been happy with the changes made to join the Olympics. -Judo had leg grabs and ground grappling removed to distinguish it from wrestling, and a time limit introduced for better television. -TKD had punches removed to distinguish it from boxing. -Karate had knock outs removed, the recent gold medalist won by being knocked out. Kendo has many asthetic scoring criteria related to edge alignment, strength of the strike, and awareness of the opponent which would need to be codified for Olympic style rule legislation.
These fights are insane , I love this channel , I would like to see ether Chinese jian vs katana or scimitar vs anything !! Also would like to see shuriken !!!
It is noted that most Ko-Ryu Bujutsu do engage exclusively in Kata it should be noted that there are also Ko-Ryu that do engage in Sparring. It should also be noted that back in the day during the Muromachi Period there was lots of Pressure Testing this was known as Shobu and/or Shiai. There where also practices called Musha Shugyo(Warriors Journey) and Taryu Jiai(Competition's that Lacked Restriction's). Bujutsu and Budo Should complement each other Bujutsu's practical Skill and Application and Budo's Pressure Testing and Competitivenes.
Thanks for another really good session 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I think people should experience all matters of training styles but if I had to pick out of these 2 I'm going to choose Kenjutsu
That under the chin strike had to be really disrespectful in actual combat, imagine that. Any of these strikes are deadly! I especially like when they parry an incoming attack after they already slashed their opponent. We can only imagine what mortal combat was like.
think of kendo as little more than high percentage move spam: a kendoka with excellent footwork can defeat 90% of swordsmen on Earth with the "men" cut to the head. kenjutsu teaches one to actually fight with a sword, so more ground is covered on the many ways a fight can develop (including grappling, kicking, elbowing, shouldering) vs high percentage move spam. this deeper understanding won't necessarily translate when demonstrating techniques with toy swords. it will certainly translate with live blades in combat.
There are a high amount of double kills. More than what I had thought. My sword skill is limited to kali and what is taught in the Bujinkan. You guys are far more sophisticated in sword. Keep up the good work!
In kendo double kills are thrown out, and the point system favors attack over defense so there are no real consequences to getting hit unless that hit is unanswered. Kali looks very effective, although I have never understood why your sparring looks so different from your flow exercises. Could you explain it?
@@Ianmar1 Flow drills are like kata/forms and energy drills (similar to chi sao in Wing Chun). It's a tool box builder to help build coordination and timing. Sparring is different from school to school. When I was Inosanto Lacoste and Doce Pares in the USA, armor was worn. DBMA in NYC and when it was offered in the Atlantic City area (NJ) sparring was unarmored save headgear and gloves. Throwing, ground grappling, knees and elbows were permitted. It is sparring so measures of safety are taken. I currently live in Japan and I train with the Pekiti Tirsia group in Tokyo and Yokohama. Sparring is unarmored but done is degrees building up from each other and limiting things to build a specific skill set. This is based on my experiences. I hope this helps.
excelente video como siempre, hasta tienen la Frostmure, practico Kendo y quisiera comprar la espada que usan acá, pero el link de compra no hacen envíos a Colombia
Oye, una cosa, yo también soy de colombia, y quisiera practicar algo, estoy entre el Kendo y el kenjutsu pero las dos de ven muy bien, ¿Tu porque empezaste a practicar Kendo y como te a ido?
@@larrycapija2844 práctico Kendo y karate Kyokushin Kai, la mayor diferencia entre Kendo y kenjutsu sería que el Kendo es más "deportivo" ya que no es válido cortar al hombro o a las piernas, en cambio en el kenjutsu es más completo Algo similar a Taekwondo deportivo o MMA en uno no verás derribos, llaves o sumisión Ya depende de la escuela que encuentres en tu región, Ahora, tampoco es tan difícil el entrenar Kendo en un dojo y luego hacer kenjutsu por tu cuenta
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@@larrycapija2844 En que ciudad te encuentras? si deseas empezar kendo en colombia podria ayudar a vincularte con un dojo. Cualquier cosa me avisas, un saludo!
Find a dojo that has both, or find two dojo with each. Most legitimate koryu only take on high ranked kendoka and iaidoka as students so cross training should not be a problem for either discipline. The dojo where I train kendo only accepts koryu students at 2dan iaido since the focus of the dojo leaders is koryu iaido (iaijutsu); I don't train iaido, so I don't train koryu but the community is very wholesome. Finding a legitimate koryu dojo near you may be difficult depending on where you live, however there is plenty of kenjutsu embedded in kendo and iaido kata if you are willing to study those deeply.
I love both disciplines What I hate are morons who say shit like "traditional martial arts are bullshit and don't work in a real fight" Like bro he's got a f**king SWORD!
See the subtitle at 0:27, they are both using the kenjutsu encoded in kendo kata, neither have any other kenjutsu experience. Thus your estimation is right: heavily influenced by Itto Ryu, but not Itto Ryu.
These guys are amateur at best as a 2 time judo competitor n a 15 year sword master these guys I assume r just in hs filming out there sensi karate dojo so don't be to mean least they put in effort to document these fights regaurdless of skill a trained swords man can appreciate a weapon duel
Was this all from sparring? Or was some/all of it choreo? Some of the exchanges looked a bit stilted, but I could see that being due to the kendo background or something.
i think that in a fight between kendo and kenjutsu trainees the defense aspect is far more important than the offense and that's because kendo doesn't really have defence the trainees are not taught blocking because pushing forward and delivering blows is the only important thing (you can see kendoka in the video using only one kind of parry that isn't purely defensive either because it has to include a blow right after) and i think this is the most important difference between the two even more so than kendo (being a sport) focuses on points and limits the areas where you're allowed to hit
This is incorrect. Kendo is mostly defence (im new to kendo, but I get trained by few of the best kendokas in my country). There are parries and beats and other type of blocks and evasion, but the sport kendo is extremely fast pace and its hard to pick up on.
@@fryderykchopin3974 I'm sorry but no my claim that kendo doesn't have defence might've been a little bit overboard but it's nowhere close to what you're saying first of all being new to kendo can mean you started training anywhere from a week to a year ago but i'm going to assume that you are training in a bogu so you're a few months in at minimum now just because kirikaeshi has blocks doesn't mean they are used in combat blocking is obviously good for exercising but when it comes to fighting it just doesn't exist I am no kendo master yet but my club has best kendokas in my country and well good luck seeing them block an attack while they're fighting the fact that you technically can block and you won't be disqualified for it doesn't mean you should let alone that kendo is "all about defense" in my club we're simply not taught to block because blocking leaves you very open especially your kote and even if you manage to block one attack a competent opponent will simply attack you a second time this time hitting you on your kote or do or he will faint an attack and go for men anyways as soon as you'll try to come back to kamae what i've been told by my sensei is that there is no defence in kendo everything you're doing is aggressive now there is parrying but it's not anything essential like you're saying and i really do not want to be rude but what you're saying sounds like you're training a completely different sport
@@thenine895 I mean, I really bepends on the school right. My dojo does do alot of blocking and parrying. that is the way I am being thought. The way my dojo does it seems to work seeing my teacher has won a medal in the recent eu championship. Edit: I take no offence btw. I love learning different perspectives.
Kendo seems like the safty Version designed for competion ! In my eyes that makes it not better or worse, just different! Altough just for estatic reason alone i would prefer Kenjutsu as Kendo seems to have more in common with fanceing than with the art it is derrived from which is kenjutsu ! I would say the sportsman choses kendo and artist Kenjutsu!
This is a kendo channel, the people who run it are kendoka, their guests are from other styles. With that said, every koryu kenjutsu will strongly discourage you from attempting to study without a sensei. Go find a dojo in your area with an atmosphere that you like, and ask on koryu forums if it looks legitimate.
@@Ianmar1 i am kendoka my self and i have been doing kendo for 15 years, and i am intresting in practicing kenjutsu. In Russia i think i hardly manage to find a koryu kenjutsu dojo
@@user-ke6xs5kl3d You are not going to find many kenjutsu styles that will offer you that. I suppose that you will want one which either does kata with a fukuro shinai, or gekken. Those are not very common.
Could anyone help me to understand it better? I don't get the comparison. Actually, I got a little confused with the purpose of the video: Is it to show that Kendokas who had only trained Kendo can actually spar Kenjutsu? Can anyone shed some light?
This is a kendo channel, but they attract a lot of keybord swordsmen. They get a lot of comments along the lines of kendo=sport, kenjutsu=combat. Some of their videos on their main channel investigate criticisms like: that technique wont cut, and you couldn't move that fast with a real katana. Kendo contains within it a kenjutsu curriculum as well as the better known sporting component. This kenjutsu curriculum is considered by most legitimate kenjutsu masters to be comprehensive, although limited in context, and (intentionally) shallow with respect to kuden (oral tradition). I believe the purpose was to show that kendoka study kenjutsu in the same way the koryu do (kata) although perhaps not as deeply, that they know the kamae and waza inherited from itto-ryū.
Kendo and kenjutsu are different because they are meant to be two sides of one coin. Kenjutsu is the art of using the sword, kendo is the art of mental discipline with the sword. That is why kendo always seems too rigid, too traditional like a ritual that must follow a set path. You should know both of you want to be an amazing swordsman. One disciplines your mind, the other disciplines the body.
From my perception, Kendo is Sport, Kenjutsu is Martial Art. But in real fight with real sword, Kenjutsu will have more ways to win because war is dirty & Kenjutsu fights dirty. The taller dark blue Kendoka use Kendo, the shorter black Kendoka use Kenjutsu.
@@Ianmar1 I do noticed that, but one doesnt need to be a practitioner to emulate a movements. Even animals can emulate humans, emulation is a step in learning. They never claimed to be a Kenjutsu practitioner but I cant say that they have absolute zero knowledge about Kenjutsu.
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No. They are equally deadly and difficult to master.
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Doesn’t seem to be a clear cut winner. They appear to be about the same. It’s almost like comparing Judo to Jujitsu. There’s not much difference.
@@eastoforion Second this request.
Hey, you’re doing a lot for cross cultural weapon arts and I really love your work, may I make a suggestion for following videos:
Use colored sashes (traditionally red vs blue) to denote fighters of different schools [Edit: different *styles* of weapon arts, even if they are trained by the same school of combat.], especially when they are using very similar kit. (equipment)
It was hard with jump cuts in video and how similar each fighter’s gear was to each other, to follow which fighter was the Kendo fighter, and which was the Kenjutsu fighter.
both are kendoka👍
@@weaponism my apologies, perhaps instead of different schools, a sash representing each different *style* on display, even if they are from the same school.
Edit: and I know you are relying on translating tools and a media team.
Sash is not the same thing as belt, in martial arts context. It’s [sash] is an ornament that does not say anything about a fighter’s skill. Just a way to tell fighters apart (difference).
The taller dark blue Kendoka use Kendo, shorter black Kendoka use Kenjutsu. A red & blue armband can work too.
I dont know maybe its uploader's subtle way to test viewer's ability to see which one is which?
Your idea is a tested and proven method, most martial arts do that.
For the moment you can try to identify them by looking at the back of their heads.
One is white while the other is red.
@@leokim1458 Thank you, that is exactly why I suggested it.
Weapon MMA has no real standards yet, but red vs blue is a good, and proven standard, that will carry through to what @Weaponism is doing with their work.
Generally, schools of kenjutsu that regularly spar do so under the "killing blow" is what stops the engagement, whilst kendo works on the "point" system, so in terms of competitive sparring kendo wins, but if it were a real duel between swordsmen? most likely kenjutsu wins, kenjutsu goes for the killing blow, kendo goes for the point.
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It is strange to me that you think that that the kendo criteria for a valid strike (yuko datotsu) do not constitute a killing (or at least finishing) blow. If anything I would think the kendoka disadvantaged by the habit of ignoring indecisive attacks.
The point is the killing blow. Like the other friend said the weakness of the kendo "teaching style" would be theoratically that it ignores non decisive wounding hits and is focused on just the blows that will end the fight.
Shiai and kumite mindest.
I would very much like you to link me to a school of kenjutsu that regularly spars, because I haven't found any.
Both practicioners have such precise body movement. Even in slow-motion the cuts, deflects and the ways their bodies follow look astonishingly perfect. One of my favourite videos so far from you!
I thought it looked a bit choreographed. One makes a cut, doesn't withdraw right away, etc.
They both train kendo. Kendo teaches 100% commitment in your strikes.
I like how both of them are aware enough to realise when they got hit first and then stop their own attack instead of "seeking revenge" by throwing an afterblow. Good Sportsmanship, great sparring partners! 👍
Except that's what would happen in a real fight? What's the point of scoring a killing blow if you yourself will die afterwards to the Nachschlag? The opponent won't magically stop their attack and it won't disappear into the ether. This is one of the major problems in modern weapon arts.
@@kodain Lmao. Since no one runs around with a katana trying to kill you, I think following the rules of the sport is good. And kendo isn't a 'modern martial art' it's been around since the 1919s if not even before then. I'm just dating it back when it apparently became an actual sport. And sportsmanship is something a lot of Americans lack. I've been doing kendo for two years now and I've seen more Americans try to go for the revenge strike so many times it's hard to keep track. This is a sport. Respect it and its rules. Also the traditions behind it. If you wanna play 'real combat' then do it in your head. Whenever I see someone go for the revenge strike it kinda pisses me off cause they know the rules, and it's clear they're just being a poor sport.
@@AsianWomenareGold Kendo is a watered down simulation of someone attacking you with a sword, trying to kill you. Anything 20th century is gendai: It's a modern combat sport. Yes, those are the rules for kendo, but they're not doing pure kendo here. As for history and tradition, kendo stems from gekiken, which in turn was a safer way to spar but still maintaining more elements of kenjutsu. Gekiken lastly then stems from kenjutsu, and in kenjutsu you will have to watch for an afterblow.
If you want to practise a sport, go for it, but if you want to actually practise combat arts, then not including an afterblow is dumb.
@@kodain kendo is about the point system. One tap not room enough for an after blow. since that tap means you lost the round. So its not stupid for there not to be a after blow. Kendo is about skill and precision, so that you can perfect your attacks not for you to brawl without style. If it had an after blow like you think it should, no one would give a fuck about trying to avoid an attack which would defeat the whole purpose of blocking, evading, or deflecting and countering. Kendo is good as it is. Since once again it is a sport. If you want to practice an art where you must go for the vitals of a human, then go for kenjutsu. The objective of Kenjutsu is to learn how to kill or harm an opponent using a sword, whereas Kendo is used more for personal development and discipline. As you can clearly see the difference between the two. I'm taking kenjutsu next but I need the discipline first before I try it.
@@AsianWomenareGold "brawl without style." Any real fight will be messy. This isn't the movies. It's a very Japanese thing to do things with elegance, but for combat that goes out the window immediately.
Again, if that's how kendo wants to do it, go ahead. This video wasn't pure kendo, however.
I fail to see why you would ignore defence if an afterblow was a possibility. If anything, it's what will get you to cover yourself after a strike. HEMA does this all the time, and it works splendidly.
That being said, fighting without armour has been described as suicide by several masters throughout the years, because aiuchi is very common. In HEMA, which also uses a point system, aiuchi doesn't count, and for any hit to count, you need to protect yourself from the afterblow. There is zero meaning in you getting in a hit if they kill you the second after.
If you want to try kenjutsu, just go with kenjutsu. There's no need for you to do kendo first. Discipline will come with any art.
Love the comments about what Kendo and Kenjutsu are from people whose deepest experience in the arts stems from playing a few video games. The two arts are joined at the hip and complements of each other not competitors.
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Yes if you grip it RIGHT, then you know it might be coming from hands but is it coming from WRISTS? I hope not forearms.
Really great video I enjoyed watching this of all others I’ve seen in the most recent time, thank you very much nice sound effects.
Thank you so much for this video. This is exactly what I was waiting for. You guys have serious skills!
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One of the best sparring I’ve seen !
And by far !
Awesome! I love it! Make another video like this in an open location, like a park etc. It would be great if every Kendo school also practiced Kenjutsu.
Neither of these kendoka has practiced kenjutsu. See the subtitle at 0:27.
In terms of techniques, kenjutsu surely got an upper hand cause they have combo sets and off Kendo rules match moves. But in terms of speed, Kendo can be quite menacing since their eyes and body were trained on the prize (points). However Kenjutsu still got an upper hand since the tenacity of Kendo to gain points makes them ditch their defence in order to attack. Kenjutsu prioritise deflection and parry before striking. Both are good arts, but one is martial/combat arts while the other is sparring/competitive sport arts.
If a Kendoka had to fight a real fight he wouldn't use sports rules. it would be more like this video.
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Yah! Toh! Did I miss other words?
1:40 that was some good seme! totally a 100% kendo move.
Wow, that last one...
It was crazy fast! If you blink you lose.
Yo these engages looks like they were choreographed for a movie. AMAZING BOUT!
I prefer the kenjutsu techniques in the last video where there was more grappling and slicing at close range which I think is closer to battlefield sword dueling.
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Great camera angles
I wouldn’t say “kendo is weak” kendo is just an over simplified and “sportified” version of Kenjitsu they’re just used for different events.
Kenjutsu is a battlefield martial art.. kendo is for the Olympics.. they should be considered equals in different realms of thought.. but if you boil them down to practicality, kenjutsu is the better way of defending yourself with a sword, because it doesn’t rely on “points scored” it relies on putting the opponent in a body bag so you get to go home safely and in one piece
I think their calling Kendo "weak" is more of a translation issue than anything else. In Korean, from what I can see (I don't speak Korean, so take it with a grain of salt), strong and weak are synonymous with good and bad, respectively. And the context they're trying to put it in is combative ability, near as I can tell.
Kendo isn't in the Olympics.
@@Ianmar1 it should be tho, i'd love to see it in the olympics
@@Nuru3754 The community is very split on this. I don't think that any martial arts sport has been happy with the changes made to join the Olympics.
-Judo had leg grabs and ground grappling removed to distinguish it from wrestling, and a time limit introduced for better television.
-TKD had punches removed to distinguish it from boxing.
-Karate had knock outs removed, the recent gold medalist won by being knocked out.
Kendo has many asthetic scoring criteria related to edge alignment, strength of the strike, and awareness of the opponent which would need to be codified for Olympic style rule legislation.
@@Ianmar1 ohh i actually didn't think about those things...
These fights are insane , I love this channel , I would like to see ether Chinese jian vs katana or scimitar vs anything !! Also would like to see shuriken !!!
It is noted that most Ko-Ryu Bujutsu do engage exclusively in Kata it should be noted that there are also Ko-Ryu that do engage in Sparring.
It should also be noted that back in the day during the Muromachi Period there was lots of Pressure Testing this was known as Shobu and/or Shiai.
There where also practices called Musha Shugyo(Warriors Journey) and Taryu Jiai(Competition's that Lacked Restriction's).
Bujutsu and Budo Should complement each other Bujutsu's practical Skill and Application and Budo's Pressure Testing and Competitivenes.
Thanks for another really good session 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I think people should experience all matters of training styles but if I had to pick out of these 2 I'm going to choose Kenjutsu
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Excellent
I must admit, the sound effects and cartoony blood really make for a good show. Fencing matches should take note.
Is there any chance you could bring back double hook swords? I want to see them against spear. Love your channel.
That under the chin strike had to be really disrespectful in actual combat, imagine that. Any of these strikes are deadly! I especially like when they parry an incoming attack after they already slashed their opponent. We can only imagine what mortal combat was like.
More Kenjutsu please
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Very nice
0:48 that block!!!!😱 Need to start learning Kenjutsu stat.
Hey! Thanks for this great video!
But can you please help to indicate who’s the one learning Kendo and who’s the one learning Kenjutsu. Thank you!
both are kendoka.
think of kendo as little more than high percentage move spam: a kendoka with excellent footwork can defeat 90% of swordsmen on Earth with the "men" cut to the head. kenjutsu teaches one to actually fight with a sword, so more ground is covered on the many ways a fight can develop (including grappling, kicking, elbowing, shouldering) vs high percentage move spam. this deeper understanding won't necessarily translate when demonstrating techniques with toy swords. it will certainly translate with live blades in combat.
Thanks for the request granted
Most kenjutsu schools today are limited to few villages,towns in japan
Let's GOOO!
Which koryu of kenjutsu is using the kenshi? Greats videos!
we only used kendo kata! not koryu
2:11 On the left: The art of the sneaking camera.
What a spar!!! Amazing technique
I agree, they did a nice job cutting as opposed to hitting.
so what on this video is called ¨kenjutsu¨ are thecniques from the kata´s of kendo,right?
This is interesting
Can you make a video of Kensutsu vs kalaripayatu
Nice content! But, where can i get this bokken that you use in the vídeo?
We bought it through the link in the pinned comment :)
Great video. Was there any reason why the kenjutsu trained kendoka used hasso instead of jodan?
Neither of these kendoka has practiced kenjutsu. See the subtitle at 0:27.
video idea: make mihawk sword vs kendo
Simply put... yes
There are a high amount of double kills. More than what I had thought. My sword skill is limited to kali and what is taught in the Bujinkan. You guys are far more sophisticated in sword. Keep up the good work!
In kendo double kills are thrown out, and the point system favors attack over defense so there are no real consequences to getting hit unless that hit is unanswered.
Kali looks very effective, although I have never understood why your sparring looks so different from your flow exercises. Could you explain it?
@@Ianmar1 Flow drills are like kata/forms and energy drills (similar to chi sao in Wing Chun). It's a tool box builder to help build coordination and timing. Sparring is different from school to school. When I was Inosanto Lacoste and Doce Pares in the USA, armor was worn. DBMA in NYC and when it was offered in the Atlantic City area (NJ) sparring was unarmored save headgear and gloves. Throwing, ground grappling, knees and elbows were permitted. It is sparring so measures of safety are taken. I currently live in Japan and I train with the Pekiti Tirsia group in Tokyo and Yokohama. Sparring is unarmored but done is degrees building up from each other and limiting things to build a specific skill set. This is based on my experiences. I hope this helps.
怖い死にたい
excelente video como siempre, hasta tienen la Frostmure, practico Kendo y quisiera comprar la espada que usan acá, pero el link de compra no hacen envíos a Colombia
Oye, una cosa, yo también soy de colombia, y quisiera practicar algo, estoy entre el Kendo y el kenjutsu pero las dos de ven muy bien, ¿Tu porque empezaste a practicar Kendo y como te a ido?
@@larrycapija2844 práctico Kendo y karate Kyokushin Kai, la mayor diferencia entre Kendo y kenjutsu sería que el Kendo es más "deportivo" ya que no es válido cortar al hombro o a las piernas, en cambio en el kenjutsu es más completo
Algo similar a Taekwondo deportivo o MMA en uno no verás derribos, llaves o sumisión
Ya depende de la escuela que encuentres en tu región,
Ahora, tampoco es tan difícil el entrenar Kendo en un dojo y luego hacer kenjutsu por tu cuenta
Puede hacer la compra en una empresa que hace compras por internet. Ellos le habilitan un P.O. Box en Miami, USA en donde recibe el producto y de ahí lo envían a su país.
@@Jkayami Osu ! Hermano de kyokushin 💪👍🙇 y gracias por la información
@@larrycapija2844 En que ciudad te encuentras? si deseas empezar kendo en colombia podria ayudar a vincularte con un dojo.
Cualquier cosa me avisas, un saludo!
Is it possible to both learn Kendo and Kenjutsu at the same time? If it is, how ?
Find a dojo that has both, or find two dojo with each. Most legitimate koryu only take on high ranked kendoka and iaidoka as students so cross training should not be a problem for either discipline. The dojo where I train kendo only accepts koryu students at 2dan iaido since the focus of the dojo leaders is koryu iaido (iaijutsu); I don't train iaido, so I don't train koryu but the community is very wholesome.
Finding a legitimate koryu dojo near you may be difficult depending on where you live, however there is plenty of kenjutsu embedded in kendo and iaido kata if you are willing to study those deeply.
I want to see kendo vs mau rakau(taiaha) please
Aggh 😱 the violence, the blood, the terror 😱.
Knew I was in the right place 😀👍
Ihr sagt, die gute Sache sei es, die sogar den Krieg heilige? Ich sage euch: der gute Krieg ist es, der jede Sache heiligt.
Is a tazer weak compared to a machine gun? They have different purposes
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I'd like to see your fight with someone Who is trainig aikiken
I love both disciplines
What I hate are morons who say shit like "traditional martial arts are bullshit and don't work in a real fight"
Like bro he's got a f**king SWORD!
Is this sheet Kempojutsu or plain Kenjutsu ? Confused over here in Cajunland. Waiting on my Timberland.
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Which style of kenjutsu was he using? I wanna say it's Itto Ryu but I feel like I'm wrong
See the subtitle at 0:27, they are both using the kenjutsu encoded in kendo kata, neither have any other kenjutsu experience. Thus your estimation is right: heavily influenced by Itto Ryu, but not Itto Ryu.
Do and Jutsu ... Up to you
what's the title of the background music?
와아따 빠르다;;;
Greatttttttttttttttttttt
I placed "up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, B, A and Start"
很喜歡這裡的對決 劍道的嘗試👍
但是刀常橫放頭部 所以腹部經常埃刀
可試著用刀柄擺側腹 刀尖擺頭部來擋刀
照你講法做兩邊都會挨刀
Well atleast you won in a real fight if both sides is chopped down realistically
These guys are amateur at best as a 2 time judo competitor n a 15 year sword master these guys I assume r just in hs filming out there sensi karate dojo so don't be to mean least they put in effort to document these fights regaurdless of skill a trained swords man can appreciate a weapon duel
So, is it? I didn't get it! ))
I am from Eastern europe I don't know wich is wich ..looks cool but who won?
In this video both train kendo. I don't know if they were keeping score.
Was this all from sparring? Or was some/all of it choreo? Some of the exchanges looked a bit stilted, but I could see that being due to the kendo background or something.
i think even with the armor its going to hurt
trust me lol
Saya purchase link, please? Many thanks
1:54. Elle est très forte. Une guerrière redoutable.
i think that in a fight between kendo and kenjutsu trainees the defense aspect is far more important than the offense
and that's because kendo doesn't really have defence the trainees are not taught blocking because pushing forward and delivering blows is the only important thing (you can see kendoka in the video using only one kind of parry that isn't purely defensive either because it has to include a blow right after)
and i think this is the most important difference between the two even more so than kendo (being a sport) focuses on points and limits the areas where you're allowed to hit
This is incorrect. Kendo is mostly defence (im new to kendo, but I get trained by few of the best kendokas in my country). There are parries and beats and other type of blocks and evasion, but the sport kendo is extremely fast pace and its hard to pick up on.
@@fryderykchopin3974 I'm sorry but no
my claim that kendo doesn't have defence might've been a little bit overboard but it's nowhere close to what you're saying
first of all being new to kendo can mean you started training anywhere from a week to a year ago but i'm going to assume that you are training in a bogu so you're a few months in at minimum
now just because kirikaeshi has blocks doesn't mean they are used in combat blocking is obviously good for exercising but when it comes to fighting it just doesn't exist
I am no kendo master yet but my club has best kendokas in my country and well good luck seeing them block an attack while they're fighting
the fact that you technically can block and you won't be disqualified for it doesn't mean you should let alone that kendo is "all about defense"
in my club we're simply not taught to block because blocking leaves you very open especially your kote and even if you manage to block one attack a competent opponent will simply attack you a second time this time hitting you on your kote or do or he will faint an attack and go for men anyways as soon as you'll try to come back to kamae
what i've been told by my sensei is that there is no defence in kendo everything you're doing is aggressive
now there is parrying but it's not anything essential like you're saying
and i really do not want to be rude but what you're saying sounds like you're training a completely different sport
@@thenine895 I mean, I really bepends on the school right. My dojo does do alot of blocking and parrying. that is the way I am being thought. The way my dojo does it seems to work seeing my teacher has won a medal in the recent eu championship.
Edit: I take no offence btw. I love learning different perspectives.
But they are both kendoka in this match.
@@Ianmar1 but one is using kenjutsu instead of kendo also my point does not only apply to this specific situation
Kendo seems like the safty Version designed for competion ! In my eyes that makes it not better or worse, just different! Altough just for estatic reason alone i would prefer Kenjutsu as Kendo seems to have more in common with fanceing than with the art it is derrived from which is kenjutsu ! I would say the sportsman choses kendo and artist Kenjutsu!
4:03 bro got vanquished
Tankendo please.
Which is which? They're both dressed identically, so I can't tell which art is winning.
there is no kenjutsu guy. both are kendoka
The taller dark blue use Kendo, the shorter black use Kenjutsu.
@@angryzombie8088 See Weaponism's reply above.
hello, can you recommend any video for kenjutsu practise? maybe some waza?
This is a kendo channel, the people who run it are kendoka, their guests are from other styles. With that said, every koryu kenjutsu will strongly discourage you from attempting to study without a sensei.
Go find a dojo in your area with an atmosphere that you like, and ask on koryu forums if it looks legitimate.
@@Ianmar1 i am kendoka my self and i have been doing kendo for 15 years, and i am intresting in practicing kenjutsu. In Russia i think i hardly manage to find a koryu kenjutsu dojo
@@user-ke6xs5kl3d I take it that you have exhausted kendo kata, do you also train iaido?
@@Ianmar1 i trainded iaido several years ago, but i stopped because i wanted to feel impact of strikes and have keiko with opponent
@@user-ke6xs5kl3d You are not going to find many kenjutsu styles that will offer you that. I suppose that you will want one which either does kata with a fukuro shinai, or gekken. Those are not very common.
Kendo here looks like kumdo, Korean variant
Also, dynamics of shinai and bokken r different
剣道は剣が当たるって分かっててもも有効打突にならないのが分かっていると避けようと思わないから当たってしまうんよね
dangerous
BoKen fight is always more realistic than when using the bamboo sword.
more better with hp bar to see the score
50 years later: Kendo vs nuke
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I don't understand the difference, can someone help me?
They are both kendoka using the techniques from kendo kata. There is no difference.
@@Ianmar1 thank you
its is not a particular art that is superior to another,, its all about the skill level of the person that practices a particular art.
This is the gap of their skills I believe.
Who is who?
who is the kendo guy and who is the kenjutsu guy , please ?
both are kendoka
I feel like both practitioners were struggling to see the opponents and their own bokken due to them being black
Kendo bonk would still split my skull.
Real fight or not.
Could anyone help me to understand it better? I don't get the comparison. Actually, I got a little confused with the purpose of the video: Is it to show that Kendokas who had only trained Kendo can actually spar Kenjutsu?
Can anyone shed some light?
This is a kendo channel, but they attract a lot of keybord swordsmen. They get a lot of comments along the lines of kendo=sport, kenjutsu=combat. Some of their videos on their main channel investigate criticisms like: that technique wont cut, and you couldn't move that fast with a real katana. Kendo contains within it a kenjutsu curriculum as well as the better known sporting component. This kenjutsu curriculum is considered by most legitimate kenjutsu masters to be comprehensive, although limited in context, and (intentionally) shallow with respect to kuden (oral tradition). I believe the purpose was to show that kendoka study kenjutsu in the same way the koryu do (kata) although perhaps not as deeply, that they know the kamae and waza inherited from itto-ryū.
@@Ianmar1 Wow. Thank you so much, that definitely helped!
Kendo and kenjutsu are different because they are meant to be two sides of one coin. Kenjutsu is the art of using the sword, kendo is the art of mental discipline with the sword. That is why kendo always seems too rigid, too traditional like a ritual that must follow a set path. You should know both of you want to be an amazing swordsman. One disciplines your mind, the other disciplines the body.
Kendo is a sport and Kenjutsu is an actual sword fighting style used by the Samurai. Kendo techniques will get you killed in an actual sword fight.
고류하시는분은 유파가 어떻게되나요?
둘다 검도만 한 사람이고 고류는 영상에 없습니다!
@@weaponism 그럼 왜 제목을...??? ㅜ.ㅜ 검도가 검술에 비해 약합니까라고 하길래.. 당연히 고류가 있을거라고 생각했는데.. 더욱이 팔상세이길래.. (물론 검도에도 있지만 거의 사용안하기때문에 당연히 고류라 생각했어요)
From my perception, Kendo is Sport, Kenjutsu is Martial Art.
But in real fight with real sword, Kenjutsu will have more ways to win because war is dirty & Kenjutsu fights dirty.
The taller dark blue Kendoka use Kendo, the shorter black Kendoka use Kenjutsu.
Neither of these kendoka has practiced kenjutsu. See the subtitle at 0:27.
@@Ianmar1 I do noticed that, but one doesnt need to be a practitioner to emulate a movements.
Even animals can emulate humans, emulation is a step in learning.
They never claimed to be a Kenjutsu practitioner but I cant say that they have absolute zero knowledge about Kenjutsu.