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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- I gave Super Mario 64 for the first time in 2020 with the 3D All Stars pack... and I was underwhelmed. Why is that?
Also this is an opinion piece accompanied by analysis. Please be civil in the comments.
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heya! I heard your criticisms, and I will say that I am going to absolutely work on delivery next time around-- this video was actually recorded in October, so I didn't have the best handle on tone, but with experience and all of your help, i can absolutely nail it next time.
I understand that this is a... controversial topic to say the least, so thank you so much for hearing me out
you should add timestamps in the description so the video gets cut up into the different sections :-)
watch a mario 64 fanboy sneak in and dislike without watching the video
(not saying i would)
I love MARIO 64 STUPID
Are you saying that you love Mario 64, and that I am stupid, or are you saying that you love Mario 64 being stupid
Did you try crawling for the parts where the platform was too small and you kept falling off? I think the main problem you are having is that in old games they didn't explain mechanics to you directly, because the games were shorter so they thought people would want to figure it out themselves.
Like for instance, in the footage with the wing cap in the Sand level if you dip down and gain speed you can fly back up higher than if you just hold down on the stick constantly, like how the gliding works in the Arkham games. In old games we learned to move the character relative to the camera because you didn't always have control, and sometimes you need to actually adjust your movement in real time as the camera shifts, its a bit of a mind eff if you've come from modern games where the camera is often behind the character but its just how it is, I'm not sure if you are going back to it but try this if you do:
In the castle, practice moving the camera around while trying to run in a straight line, so no matter what the camera is doing try to keep on that straight line. If you master this the platforming won't be a problem anymore, its similar to circle strafing in an FPS, if you've ever tried that. Hope that helps.
Bowser is not the main villain of this game, it's the camera.
Truer words have never been spoken.
you meant lakitu ?
So true😭
I thought I was the only one who had trouble with the camera...
No it isn’t. Bowser is the main villain
The wing cap took inspiration from a single line used in Toy Story: “Falling with style”
Alternate title: A look at sm64 without nostalgia bias
jesus christ this is the most true comment I've ever read
and yet i still love it
Yep even Sunshine was more tolerable than 64 when it comes trial and error platforming, galaxy is still the best.
Love it!
but like other games that i have nostalgia for r considered bad by most wahhh
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@@Zeno2806 formerly shion
It's his fucking opinion he politely put in a video
@@cabbage8858 sneed
@@seacat1342 you have and will accomplish nothing
Uhh, you played the 3D All Stars version, and the emulator used there can't emulate properly the controlls of the N64 controller
0:50 to 0:55 I wish more people understood that. I have tried playing Mario 64 recently and I used to have little to no issue with the contrlols, but since I played pretty much every other 3d Mario game and I had not played the game in years. trying to go back to these controls is really difficult.
Same for me with other older games.When compared to modern games with more refined control schemes and all, older games can literally suck now. I take the Michael Bay style Resident Evil 6 over the old Playstation 1 RE games. Tank controls are the worst.
I find it funny that when people compare Mario 64 to modern games they get tons of hate. Yet when people make videos about how Sonic Adventure is terrible nowadays and the video gets no dislikes. 🤔
It's retarded on both ends. Sonic Adventure is just more noticeable in where it's 'aged' now a days. 3D Mario still takes ques from 64
Sonic Adventure was pretty bad when it came out. I gave it a free pass at the time because it looked great on my new Dreamcast but I knew it wasn’t on par with the N64 3d platformers such as Mario64 and Banjo Kazooie when it came to how it played.
@@itsmatt517 like you owend a dreamcast
If you wanna compare it to older games, spyro and battle for bikini bottom had better controls and better movement.
The game isn’t bad but it’s over priced, and too many people will tell you it’s better than modern platformers
.my friend who loves early Nintendo convinced me it was worth €60 to play, but It wasn’t remastered like other older platformers and it’s far more expensive. It’s just not aged as well as others.
But Nintendo just get a pass for some reason.
If it was cheaper to play I wouldn’t be annoyed at all by it, but the fact it’s so highly praised and expensive to play makes me more critical.
@@nathansteele4358 I think the reason is that mario 64 is important as a blueprint for games to come but it still doen’t hold up that well
I just hate the "sometimes I make a U turn, sometimes not" back turning. It's ridiculous how, a lot of the time, you can long jump and "trick flip" your way right to the star without feeling any threat, BUT when you have to stop to pick an item, you gotta be careful of every button press to not get the fucking U turn that makes Mario go down even from very wide platforms. In Shifting Sands land, the first red coin right behind the starting point is a great example of when the devs should have realized that it's not fun at all, just tedious. I've read on the interwebzz that they fixed the turning in some version? With just that fixed, I would consider the game a classic (still not even close to the NES Marios, but hey, few things in life are...) If the game was released today, they'd probably patch that right away due to backlash.
Filtered
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Bro woke up and chose war
Personally I liked the controls, they felt fluid and natural to me! I suppose its a hit or miss thing, depending on movements individuals make. I tend to move and side-flip a lot, so mario 64 controls happened to work well with me... But I struggled massively with mario sunshine controls.
Ahhh the SMS controls…
My nemesis😀
It was never a hit or miss. This dude is lying
Nope nobody struggled
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@@firestrikerii810 if some people struggle why do you talk?
as the first 3d platformer game it's pretty good, but then you play better games and go back to this and you feel underwhelmed, loved to see your point of view because everyone keeps telling this game is amazing, but it WAS amazing, at the time, but now it's not great.
That’s the perspective I’m coming from! I’m glad someone sees that haha
@@toxiquid i actually agree with this
I agree, I mean there are many older games that hold up amazing today, the original super Mario bros is a perfect example, I had so much fun playing it, but playing 64, as someone with no nostalgic connection to it, I got literal tension headaches, it felt like homework, I hate it.
First 3D platformer was Crash Bandicoot, and they nailed the controls. Having slippery movement is not caused by limited technology, but bad game design.
@@klaud7311 you on that Heisenberg shit lol
That was a great vid, and 64/DS is one of my fav Mario games. Mysterious Mountainside is actually my fav star in the whole game! Didn’t have trouble finding the slide as a kid bc of the ripple effect on the mountain. It was always weird and awesome to me that a mountainside contained a portal to an isolated slide dimension.
SM64EX-COOP
1. Modern day camera controls
2. 60 FPS
3. Rom Hacks
4. Mods
5. Online multiplayer/Servers
6. If you don’t think marios movement is peak in 64, I think it’s because you’re 8 and/or bad at games.
I agree, someone shouldn't hate a game for the limits it couldn't push at the time (mostly camera-wise).
How do you get filtered by Mario 64?
64 of course stands for the minimum IQ required to play it, yet this nigga somehow is under even that.
You guys have the combined IQ of a Turtle and a Refrigerator
@@cabbage8858 Now that's an insult to the Refrigerator and the turtle
@@CrossaintPastry sorry
@@marvi5962 based
Suddenly I understand why older ppl so easily hate the younger generation
>draws n64 controller in hand
"the left stick-"
Well im a younger generation so oof
He's not playing on the n64 so
he's talking about a nintendo switch doofus
mario 64 fans when their 25 year old imperfect platformer is put in a negative light at least somewhat: (like to dislike ratio)
But in all seriousness this game is beginner hell and can be unforgiving at times. But its got its fans including me and i actually agreed with some points you made like the water controls and some bad level design. Interesting to see someone tear it apart instead of praise it like its the messiah though, good video.
The Tall Tall Mountain "Search the lonely Mushroom" is way to unforgiving with it's Cannon controls and the fact that every game over the cannon hole closes again.
Besides that the Games alright for me.
i do plan on making review on games
and this is what i was gonna say for mario 64
but honestly i grew to love it
It's clear that the Lakitu on the camera is a rookie
Or an outright dumba55
the amount of times I wanted to do a long jump and instead Mario randomly did a ground pound when he already was on the ground which lost literally all momentum made me wanna blow a gasket
Funnily enough I first played it on Wii U virtual console which was long after it came out but since I was really young at the time (9 years old) I have just as much nostalgia and love for it as an older fan and I ignore the flaws most people my age embrace
Also, I really dislike Sunshine and I just played it last year so that goes to show what nostalgia does to ya
Finally someone like me
tho i actually played it at 3 years
IT'S ALL GRAVY UNTIL THE CARTOON AVATAR DISLIKES YOUR FAVORITE GAME
Yeah it's all gravy till he dislikes me
I agree with everything he says this is definitely not my favorite game
Malevolent AI has taken over.
Based
My favorite game ever is Bubsy 3D, so watching this video is a moment of relief from the cruel, unforgiving world of popular opinions.
I honestly agree. People are just disliking because they can’t handle you criticizing their beloved nostalgia game. Mario 64 is flawed and I feel it’s overrated. I gave you a like
thats greatly appreciated! i'd love to get the like to dislike ratio at at least a 50/50 split instead of 35/65, so everything is appreciated, my guy!
@@toxiquid Nostalgia is a powerful factor so it sucks people just automatically dislike for you having a different opinion. (I bet most of the dislikes are from people who didn’t watch) Honestly Mario 64 has some good things in it, but it’s my least favorite 3D Mario. 64 DS is way better and every 3D game since 64 is better.
I don’t like how people say “It’s good for it’s time. Be easy on it” Honestly, that doesn’t need to be stated for the original Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 3, Super Mario World, Zelda:Ocarina of Time, Banjo Kazooie. Those are good games that don’t need that “it’s good for its time” bullshit
I agree. Did you try the DS version of this game? Feels different for me.
I had the exact same issues, and at the end Iplayed the PC port of it, in which you can customize a lot of things. This game needs to be remad or something because if we exclude the actual gameplay, everything else is pretty good! The concepts, the art, the music (god, especially the music).
The music was panned in the early reviews, and players also disliked it.
Remember, Tomb Raider came out at the same time. Age of Empires and Command and Conquer were also huge at the time, so this Doodle di do didn't cut it anymore.
Same goes for Star Fox 64 btw.
Everything in this game is enjoyable EXCEPT for controls, they really could change it for 3D All-stars
Thai is one of my favs mario 64 is good
and they didn't change it
64 on pc actually controls well
Agreed
I will admit the controls are a bit wonky but you address it as a whole issue of the game and it just makes it something to get a bit used to but it was 1996 so eh
As someone who play's the rom hack's Im already passed all these basic arguement's these no longer effect me im to good at the game now that this stuff just don't happen to me no more so I can't relate bro.
First time playing the original, my problem is not the camera and controls because for me it's not hard performing the tricks the problem is the stars collecting them to proceed is tedious as heck
If your not a fan of the controls, try the ds remake
Sounds less like you complaining about a bad game and more like you complaining that you're bad at the game.
I feel like it's the game that will never go away from the internet.
It will in 40-50 years from now.
I have more issues with the camera in odyssey then the one in 64, the one in odyssey can start slowly slipping away (it won’t anchor) and it moves in a way that messes with my eyes and makes me feel dizzy and because of that I can never play the game for longer then half an hour
I have a question does crash bandicoot 1 have better 2.5d platforming then Mario 64 since Mario 64 is more full 3d then crash bandicoot 1?
honestly, yeah
*Open Video*
"its probably some zoomer ranting at SM64"
*hears voice*
so easy to spot these lil guys
"It's my opinion so you can't criticize it"
Bruh
That’s ur opinion
pretty sure he was just saying that because lots of the kids who love this game will send death threats because they can't handle someone having an opinion
@@MasterMooper not to be an ass or anything... But if you can't handle a kid telling you to kill yourself then you really shouldn't be on the Internet...
Just saying
@@730g9 I mean that could go for those kids, if you can’t handle this guy doesn’t like a game then there’s no point on being on TH-cam.
I just played through this game on n64 online and I just wanna say that you're right. People say games like crash 1 or sonic adventure haven't aged well but they'll say this far worse game that isn't fun in any way is perfect and as someone who only saw this through TH-cam , playing it for the first time was just disappointing.
The pyramid is also a royal pain, sinking sand, a pain to get inside and a damn gate
I wanna leave a comment because I found this in the “people also watched” section while searching up “gaming in the Clinton years super Mario”
The absolute irony is too much
The accuracy is too much
Mario 64 fans be mad you all need to chill out I know seeing your favorite game getting bashed is Tuff but it gives you no right to be toxic as a fan of Kirby star allies I've been there
( sorry for bad spelling or errors)
As someone who loves Bubsy 3D, I absolutely agree with your sentiment of "seeing your favorite game getting bashed feels bad". But hey, at least you don't have it as bad as me with Bubsy though..
When you're in a big open area like Bob-omb Battlefield the controls can feel like magic, but most of the game wants you to do stupid tight platforming with them
mario 64 is janky in some aspects and I agree that the wing cap sucks (and I really feel your paint here 4:06) mabye try the pc port it has all kinds edits to choose from that make the game better movement wise and make the camera a real camera plus you can have HD models and textures if you want (or mabye emulate the game and use savestate)
Thank you! This feels so validating! As someone who has played and loved every other mario game (except sunshine), I agree with everything in this video. Mario 64 even sucked in 1996. Even then, people were insisting that it was an "important," "ground-breaking" game. But it was never fun. Give Nintendo credit for the concept, but they pushed it out before it was ready. The camera + the controls = broken game.
This is one of my favorite game reviews on TH-cam. I also think SM64 is just an overhyped hot mess too. My favorite 5th gen game is Bubsy 3D, and you know how critics treated that one. Seeing people all over the internet harass me for liking it, calling it a "dumpster fire" and praising the hell out of SM64 just feels unfair to someone like me.
@@roostergamerbubsy3d Or you have "different" tastes. I honestly can't understand how or why you'd hate SM64 and love Bubsy when they both are literally the same exact game with the exact same problems, especially since the one on the Switch was an incomplete emulator and not a rerelease.
I love sunshine🥰 EXCEPT FOR THOSE HORRIBLY DESIGNED *_SPECIAL LEVELS_* THAT *REMOVES FLUDD* THE MAIN GIMMICK OF THE GAME BECAUSE MARIO CONTROLS PRETTY SLIPPERY BUT FLUDD MAKES UP FOR THAT SO WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IF YOU PUT A MARIO WITH SLIPPERY CONTROLS IN A PRECISION PLATFORMER
Stfu. This isn’t validating.
Stfu. Everything in this video is trash and false. Mario 64 never sucked in 1996 or in any other year. The gameplay is still awesome and the game is amazing
Just played the Mario 64 for the first time and really appreciate this video, because these are my feelings entirely. I had to quit at 61 stars to spare the life of my Switch. The game just didn't age as well as people claim, and the controls felt like they only worked against me. And I'm used to speedrunning other platformers like Spyro! At the very least, they should have updated the camera and controls. Given an option for "classic" and "modern" like some other re-releases do.
(P.S., The delivery of your video was fine, Nintendo just has some of the most weirdly toxic fandoms alive who equate any game criticism, no matter how mild, to be same thing as insulting their childhood. It's weird. Just ignore them).
Mario handles like shit, this game aged poorly but people see it through their nostalgia glasses (before someone tells I’m a hater or git gut I grow up with this game and loved the hell out of it but that doesn’t stop me from being objective)
Are you my doppelganger?
@@arturoehr Mario doesn't handle like shit though, he handles pretty well actually. It hasn't aged THAT terribly. No people see it through being objective.
@DropkicktheDecepticon If only you knew how bad things really are (Hint, Hint: Sega and Rockstar)
Mario 3D All Stars was trash in general and was found to be major downgrades from there originals since they were emulators and not the real games. I don't think it's a good idea to play it on the Switch.
I think it definitely would of helped if this was one of the first games I played as a kid, because then at least the nostalgia would've held me back from not liking this as much as I do, but man this game just doesn't hold up to me. I know for the time it was created it was revolutionary but it did not age well at ALL. I don't like the graphics, everything feels so clunky, and it makes it so unenjoyable. I'd love to see what this game would look like remastered
I do agree in lots of areas. I will admit for the time it was unforseen but even during the N64's lifespan the Dreamcast and PS1 released, which are both way better examples of how 3d spaces should be handled. It's like if a chef created a brand new groundbreaking way of making pasta and at first the reviews are all amazing but when you step back you realize all the faults that the different ingredients have and the only reason why people still talk about is because of the aging 30 year old critics who eat pasta for a living and they still want to keep their childhood dish in the spotlight, or something along those lines.
Haha, people dislike this video because someone has an opinion other than "Super Mario 64 is a great game".
I'm not one of those people.
I also think Mario 64 has A LOT of problems. In fact, I've played both Mario 64 and *Bubsy 3D* (Keep that in mind, Bubsy 3D), and guess what? I found Bubsy 3D to be 10000x better than Mario 64. In fact, it's my favorite game of all time.
And before you ask, yes. I absolutely ADORE Bubsy 3D and yes, people have been spitting on me for that. My overall ratings for both games would be 7.5/10 for Super Mario 64 and 9/10 for Bubsy 3D.
Ya I agree I also dont like the controlles and camera and I would rather play any other 3d mario game but if they would remake it I think I would enjoy alote more.
The only thing that bothers me is the stupid camera
What are your feelings on Sonic Adventure?
This dude really is comparing 2 games 20 years apart.
Doesn't stop people from putting Sonic Adventure to the standards of today's 3D Sonic games.
We really should stop putting Mario on such a high altar and be able to collectively and objectively criticize it. Super Mario 64 was a pivotal point for 3D platform games, but it's not a masterpiece 25 years later.
@@YopAlonso the thing is that the N64 era was for hardcore players and from Wii onwards they focused on the casual audience too, and bringing back the game that hardcore players like and casual players dont caused all of this
@@seabass64 you joking right N64 was very casual
Then it just doesn’t hold up, I played it for the first time after a Friend of mine (a classic Nintendo fan) said it was fantastic even by today’s standards. But it is a nightmare to control, especially on switch.
If you treat it as an old game, it makes sense. But it’s not considered an old game to many. It’s treated as a gold standard game. One that cost €60 to play, and I found unplayable.
compared to other older games like tye the Tasmanian tiger and spyro.
Nintendo needed to improve this at least.
It’s fun in places, but it’s overpriced for a mediocre experience for someone who didn’t know what to expect.
(This is my third Mario game and I’m new to the switch)
@Dank Harvey because mario 64 hasnt aged poorly?
I didn't think this video was going to get so many dislikes. To be honest Mario 64 isn't for everyone. It's not super beginner friendly and has shown its age,but when it does click it's a really fun title. Dont be upset about not liking the game. It's not for everyone.
i've played super mario 64 for YEARS, and on the nintendo switch the controls are ass
@@26jdaniels yeah the switch port wasn’t as great as I was hoping it to be
Fanboyism is a problem when it comes to objective criticism.
People get emotional and just stonewall or outright demonise anyone with a dissenting opinion.
It's kind of sad.
I’ve only played to dire dire docks, and it’s kinda not really been that fun to me.
The depth perception in the game is so terrible. When I do parkour it’s impossible to aim your character to the next platform.
I want to say that i agree with all these points so bad but i know that some mario 64 stans would try to pin my age and how old the game is against me so i would just keep it to myself
i'm trying out this game rn, and i don't like it either so far, seems like all the praise it gets is pure nostalgia, and the fact that the first level is your second favorite, and i think it's mediocare at best, concerns me for the later levels
yall have zero taste probs eat glue too i bet
you have skill issues with it simple as that
@@WALUIGIGUY-bi7gn yeah sure man ofc
@@WALUIGIGUY-bi7gn "you have skill issues with it simple as that" 🤓
I have more fun playing sunshine than 64
SM64 may not have aged all that well, but it brought us the best Got Milk commercial
Found you again.
Well, then it aged just like the product of the commercial did.
You played on the Switch, which is the worst version of the game, with a control stick that isn't accurate to how it feels to play on an original N64 controller.
The Shindou version that they used is terrible to play, I absolutely hated how it played on the Switch and how they changed Mario's voice pitch, I could not stand this version either, so no wonder you have such a bad impression of the game.
Mario is not slippery, he doesn't continue to slide when you stop pushing the stick forward, but the random u-turns are terrible, I'll give you that.
The wall jumping complaining is just you not being used to the timing. The moment you see Mario hit the wall, push A, that's it.
The wing cap is just like a plain without a motor, it makes you glide as you said. If you could just go anywhere with the wing cap, it would be boring to use and way too easy. Building up speed from diving and then rising can build fast momentum and it is extremely fun once you understand it.
The random wall on Tall Tall Mountain is literally shaped into a square to make it stand out but not giving the obvious entirely away.
The Bowser fights made you take advantage of the control stick, which was not common at the time, and when people came from 2D and D-Pad's, it wasn't easy the first time around to hit the bombs with Bowser and it was a good way to get people to engage with the new way to play.
Galaxy also has identical Bowser fights, so I don't understand why that is such a big problem for you.
The textures isn't enhanced, except for the text and HUD icons. The resolution has been raised due to the emulation and the game looks bad in high resolution, where the technical limitation of the television back in the 90's masked those in the original game. 3D all-stars just plays and emulates poorly.
You asked for people to be civil in the comments, but you use vulgarly language to describe your issues with the game out frustration and anger, and it makes it harder to take your critique seriously. It all just sounds like you apply modern controls and standards to a game that is 20 years older than Odyssey and you are frustrated over the game doesn't play like that more than anything.
But the camera, that is true, it's bad when you need adjusting.
It sucks that this was your first playthrough, because it's just a bad way to experience it.
Props to u having to write this
But seriously the n64 and all stars are virtually identical outside from no BLJ
Omg yes the shindou version sucks, it plays so weird compared to the other versions, even the PAL version plays better somehow 😭
Honestly I had an amazing time with the game playing it for the first time last year, the controls were a bit annoying in some areas but I adapted quickly, and after that it was immensely fun to run around the worlds. There's just so much charm pouring out of the game that I can't help but love it. My second favorite 3D Mario game behind Odyssey.
I have to agree with you, however. I start to believe it gets bad after the first bowser fight. The first few levels, except Jolly Roger Bay, are quite fun.
i'd have to agree with you there! granted, my favorite level in the game is actually in the ladder half with Tall Tall mountain, but that aside, the first few levels are easily some of the best. peach's castle too is great.
@@toxiquidlatter*
Did everyone notice? 0:49
Edit:I do like Mario 64 so don’t say I hate it
Internet users are addicted to poking fun at those who don't side with them.
Really pathetic
Playing on the wrong console but I get the critiques not better with analog controls
What version are you playing?
Watch the video to find out :)
Locked.
To the people saying "the controls don't suck, just look at speed runners" you should know that yes, the controls DO suck. It's just that speed runners adapted to their crapiness.
u can complete ticktok clock WITHOUT the pendulums and objects moving. Makes it a lot managable imo.
8:05 hey man tick tock clock makes a great kart track
This video should be titled: I suck at Super Mario 64.....And Here's Why
I actually wasted my time to watch this video and I can say without a doubt just by looking at this person's gameplay, I can tell they just REALLY suck at this game.
b- but is almost IMPOSSIBLE you guys!!!!
@@MegacoreTeamJake if you didn't like the video why did you keep watching it?
@@dragonmaster834 if I was going to critique the video, I wanted to watch the entire thing and give a true judgement.
@@iodine_sulfur he is literally a definition of a boomer🤡
I can see Nathaniel Bandy coming.
Toxiquid- *"WHY DO I HEAR BOSS MUSIC"*
And simpleflips
Don't forget SMG4
what about panenkoek 2012? You know, the guy that keeps exploting the game and it's fisics
11:43 I didn’t know that
I basically played every Mario game except for SM64 growing up because my parents bought a PS1 instead of an N64. I finally tried SM64 when it came out of the Mario collection on the switch and dear god it was a total nightmare. Wonky controls, shoddy camera, and some pretty terrible level designs imo.
Absolutely feeding and seeding rn
Heck off
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@@thebigchungus4515 HOY
youtuber BTFO'D
Mario 64 is a game you can enjoy. And you can hate. Personally I think the game is OK. It's not good it's not awful. It's ok. That's it. I do agree with you with a lot of what you say but I can still play it and have some fun.
thats a great outlook to have on the game!
I feel all your complaints, besides a few cryptic stars, all stem from the poor controls. I don't understand how the level designs are inherently bad. I'd be curious to hear about criticisms you have of them besides them being unjustly difficult due to unresponsive controls. I do agree with you about the ground controls being poor and some stars being way too hidden such as the examples you gave. I personally think the level design is the redeeming factor in the game so I'm super curious if you could elaborate on the level design portion.
Sure I can see what I can do- keep in mind that I haven’t touched the game since I made this video back in 2021.
The level designs can be split into 3 categories as I said in the video; box gardens, gauntlets, and water levels. So notice how the fan favorites are the ones that fall into the box garden side of level design, because they give Mario open space to run around, an even mix of vertical and horizontal action, and for the most part doesn’t have any stuff that’ll kill you with the wrong press of an A-button.
Water Levels are few and far between, so let’s scoot past those, and the gauntlets are by and large not only my least favorite, but also host to some poor level design choices. I understand that the technology wasn’t there in 1996, so the camera and 3D platforming stuff wasn’t yet perfected, but having tight areas that will punish you for exploring, either with enemy placements, floors that aren’t floors, and so on.
My main point is that whilst the level design can work, I don’t feel like it’s a good fit for this game in particular because of how Mario controls; if level design is made in service of the characters, as it should be, then this is just bad service.
I hope this made sense I know it was long haha
lol no one knows about the Mario Head Mode + Down Arrow it literally gives you a much better camera, even though it still sucks a little bit
"Don't be an ass", he says immediately being an ass for 15 minutes.
Hey man he did say it’s his opinion. So...
@@monkeyt2472 he then told everyone not to be an ass, but then didn't follow that instruction himself. It's holier-than-thou and patronising. Just saying "this is just my opinion" doesn't make you immune from criticism.
you're absolutely right-- im gonna do better with phrasing in the future, and i'll absolutely keep that in mind!
@@tobyellis2913 What critizism are you giving?
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yep, its reddit time
This has nothing to do with fukcing reddit why don't you shut the fuck up and listen to people before becoming ignorantly deaf over a title or opinion.
@@cabbage8858 upbote XD
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@@cabbage8858 I like how you white knight this stranger so much all over the comment section. Literally a baby.
@@cabbage8858 u need to take a chill pill
I hate the controls too
my thoughts on each of the games of the collection! (keep in mind that the switch version is my first experience with all of these games)
64 - 8/10 - Would be a 9 but I find that the camera and slippery controls killed it for me a little.. It's still fun but the camera and controls made things a lot more complicated than it should have been
Sunshine - 9/10 - lots of fun! i really liked the graphics as well as the setting. controls were sometimes a bit wonky but overall a very nice experience.
Galaxy - 10/10 - my favorite game out of this collection and in general. definitely controls the best out of the 3 and is just pure bliss for me to play!! i loved this game from the get-go
I agree with this rating.
9:58 what's so wrong about the bookshelf puzzle in big boo's haunt? i see no problem with the camera and the "puzzle" is preschool tier
When super mario 64 got released back in the day I didn't like it at all. I was just a kid back then but I realize now as an adult (revisiting super mario 64) that it's the controls and camera that sucks. Banjo Kazooie 64 is my jam
Except the camera doesn't suck. It's just a 3rd person camera.
I think when the wing cap works, it works, but when it doesn't IT FUCKING DOESN'T WORK
I'm just glad the red star in galaxy didn't end being just like the wing cap.
Honestly this was a really interesting video for me, as someone who absolutely adores this game's movement above basically every other 3d platformer I've ever played with them all feeling really clunky in comparison. Odyssey, AHIT, Banjo & Kazooie, all still have their moments with AHIT being a particular highlight but compared to SM64 none felt nearly as good to play, so it was really interesting to encounter basically an exact opposite perspective.
I pretty much agree with everything, I have problems with the game as well, and everyone seems to praise this game and it's controls as the magnum opis, but something to also mind is that it is the first 3D Mario game, it's not gonna be perfect
A lot of these issues were fixed in the DS version idk why the hell they thought it was a great idea to downgrade when porting to the switch. I can see why this game is important but it doesn’t stop me from hating the hell out of it. The highs are high but the lows are very very low and there’s more lows that highs
I think the best thing they could have done was pull a Crash Nsane Trilogy, and just totally remake the game so it's a good middle ground between the OG and the DS versions with the best of both and none of the problems of either.
Camera yes, movement controls dear god.
0:16 hey toxiquid are you suffering from being possessed by a demon?
no 😈
@@toxiquid understandable have a nice day
I see my comment got deleted so im gonna make a detailed response to this then
msot things about the game feeling bad and whatever and stuff is someth9ing that yes i will agree it DOES feel weird starting out
but once you get around to the first bowser lecel by then the game should feel more intutive, control in the game is well made
i will agree the cam is pretty bad but all the stuff you said about movement i think really just isnt true
mabye its cause i play the game a lot idk
The point is the game only gets fun when you get really good at it
Honestly you're being a bit harsh on Nintendo's first attempt at 3d by comparing it to games that came out decades after
Yeah the delivery is kinda harsh but I think the core criticisms are quite accurate (still respect the game though, Shows it’s age but pretty enjoyable)
@@makotoyuki345 yes
Well that's the point no? He's talking about playing that game in 2020 and how it holds up.
I think a significant amount of issues with control in this game come from the rereleases and and not the game itself. Mario 64 definitely is not as tight and kind of bizarre compared to any platformer released today, but 3D all stars and most other rereleases have some issues.
For one, the analog stick is configured very poorly on all of Nintendo's N64 emulators, making it incredibly sensitive. This is terrible as the 64's analog stick is quite percise and even is constructed like an old computer mouse. Also there's significant input lag. The Wii U release was the worst, and while the Switch version is a bit better, there's still a decent amount on top of the Switch's universal 6 frames of input lag.
I've had a huge amount of fun playing with this game's movement and environments for years and it's unfortunate that these invisible issues have put many people off from the game. I'd say the best way to play is playing the N64 version on an old crt TV, or trying out the fan made PC port which I'd assume doesn't have these lag or control problems.
You bring up a very good point that I haven’t considered up to this point. It absolutely makes a lot of sense haha
No it sucked in its original state too.
Emulators actually are a better bet since many hardbaked things on the console version can be adjusted and or fully changed helping to make gameplay more comfortable/enjoyable then it was back when it was released.
I know there's a N64 controller peripheral for the Switch, but I can't vouch for how good it is.
@@dyrr836 buying the controller doesnt fix anything with the stick, its built into the emulator, so it still sucks.
That thumbnail is literally the best
I mean, what's the point here? With the power of hindsight, you could say that any "great" game made before...2010 sucked just based on the natural advancements in video game controls, camerawork, and level design. That's how it SHOULD be. Could you imagine if video games never improved since 1996? The premise of this video is slightly misaligned.
people really need to criticize mario 64 and nintendo more often, without saying how much they love them every 5 seconds.
agreed
Based and posting on 4chan.org/v/catalog for attention pilled. You've played the 100 IQ population of 4chan.org/v/catalog for fools, I applaud you for this.
im pretty sure he wasnt the one to post it on a fucking thread buddy
I didn’t post the video on 4chan- I don’t use it
@@thefuturegamer289 I'm not your buddy guy.
@@theabsoluteshitpostdepot4370 the feelings mutual, *buddy*
Even though Super Mario 64 is my favourite game of all time the god damn controls ruined the experience on the levels in the 2nd and 3rd floor.
So then I played Super Mario 64 pc port in render96 with Odyssey Mario's moveset running at 60fps, and the controls are so much better then the original. I feel like Odyssey Mario's moveset makes some of the later stages like tick tock clock, and rainbow ride a little easier to navigate through.
As a person that has mastered the slippery controls I like the challenge of having slippery controls with some precise platforming, and narrow platforms.
the ground controls are good
but water and sky there kinda bad
Thank you /v/ the vidya board
ya gotta thank someone else for that one haha-- i dont use 4chan so someone else posted it there
@@toxiquid >he doesn't know
@@Outta-hz1ej I do not haha
one problem you have too many skill issues simple as that
I definitely agree, I love platformers, 2D & 3D but I tried Mario 64 multiple times and I just couldn’t play most of it, not because of difficulty, but because it got kinda boring redoing the same level a lot of times. The controls were also not great and I agree with your critiques of them.
people have a really strong bias towards this game and I guess I can’t blame them, it was revolutionary for it’s time, but people need to listen to reason honestly. The game has aged, it’s been 20+ years people. You can love a game and understand that it’s not perfect.
I hate this game so much that I have achieved to get all 120 stars and find Yoshi. I hate myself for doing that.