Andrew your George Mikan take is good but why did you not put Mikan in your top 25. Might as well have taken Bill Russell out of the top 15 if you were comparing eras like that.
D wade 2014 stats (Elimination game) 11pts 3assists 33% and u said we wouldn't find any elimination game where he played bad so i don't wanna here that he was old or any other excuse.
DWade was so far past his prime in 2014 due to the knee injuries. I mean fair enough, bad elimination game from Wade but I really only focus on like 2004-2011 Wade
Here's the case for Hakeem as number 4 on the list: Greatest all-around center in NBA history, greatest defender in NBA history, 2 rings, 2 DPOYs, All-time blocks leader, 7th in steals all-time, Greatest Footwork in NBA history, most skilled Post player in NBA history, the deepest bag in Center history, and second to Michael Jordan in the 90s.
On the offensive side, not the defensive side. AT ALL! Jokic was a little better offensively, but he doesn't have the scoring ability and the footwork than the Dream has. In terms of defense, I don;t even have to say anything.
Jokic is a good amount better than hakeem at offense because of the assists and 3 level scoring but hakeems scoring especially in the post was the best ever 2nd to kareem. Hakeem literally destroyed a prime MVP David Robinson in the playoffs too.
As for the Dwade take, the first series after 2006 championship in 2007 against Chicago he didn't play well. Also you can pick some series after the 2011 season. If you want to give credence to the fact he's taking a back seat to LeBron or that he's hurt, for whatever reason it's not the same Wade.
Not sure if I agree with the Mikan take, but to add on the topic: he was the comissioner in the ABA who introduced the 3 point line. There are some sources of a quote of him saying this would help small players and level the field so the game wouldn't be striclty dominated by bigs. Now, other leagues did have it before the ABA, but the league was credited with its popularization due to being the 2nd biggest one, only behind the NBA. Just 3 years after the merge (1979) the NBA addopted the 3 point line. Again, not sure about GOAT, but I do think he is the most influential player ever.
@@fuinha9355 exactly, glad you added that context to what I brought up. The three point line, the multi colored ball. Made a bunch of iconic changes in the ABA
Hot take: John Stockton is the most underrated defender of all time. He isn't a lockdown on ball defender, yes. But he is the only player I've seen disrupt passing lanes better than Spurs Kawhi. If you watch an uncut 90's Jazz game, you will be surprised at how well he reads opposing offenses.
@Ray-hy9co I'm not joking. At his peak, he was a 2-time defensive player of the year who won back-to-back titles in Jordan's dismissal, had one of, if not the greatest footwork period in NBA history, and was without a doubt the greatest TWO-WAY player in league history.
You can argue he is the greatest defender in NBA history period. Elite on both the interior and perimeter, he is the all-time leader in blocks, and 7th in steals. I think that he is a Top-4 Talent in NBA history.
@@adrianstrong4345he had one of the best peaks of all time and by that I mean 3 season stretch. But he won 2 titles in one of the weakest times in nba history. And “having arguably the best footwork” in nba history does not make someone a top 5 player ever. Talking about steals and blocks, John Stockton has the most assists and steals of all time, so I’d like to know where he ranks all time for you. And sure let’s say he’s the best 2 way player of all time, what does he have to show for it? He has a singular MVP (again in the absence of Jordan) and the only time he was ever able to lead a team to the promised land was in a weak NBA. Hakeem also has a plethora of playoff chokes and fails as well which shouldn’t go unnoticed. I have Hakeem just outside my top ten which I think is a respectable placement
Issue with comparing basketball and baseball is that basketball has evolved a lot more as a sport rules-wise. When Mikan first played, you didn't have to dribble, when Ruth played, home runs were still hard (arguably harder) to hit than they are present day.
Yo first Wsp Andrew, been a fan for a few years now, what’s ur opinion on Joe Johnson cuz I feel like my hot take would be bro was one of the most underrated players of all time and should be a hall of famer.
@@screamingbanana4391 Joe was a bucket for sure but honestly not much else. Never finished top 10 in MVP, 1x all-nba. No real iconic playoff moments. Never made an NBA Finals. Idk man just hard to put that kind of resume in the HOF
@ I see what you’re saying but that said he carried a team to the playoffs 5 years in a row when all he really had was Josh Smith and Al horford, he was the definition of consistent with great longevity. The guy changed the culture in Atlanta who had been awful and considered a dumpster franchise for a long time up to that point and dragged them into the playoffs a ton of times. The guy may never have been a top mvp finished or title winner but his prime years did land in the prime of guys like Kobe, Bron, Duncan, tmac, Wade, cp3, Dirk ect and never really got the fortune of playing with a championship team till later in his career. Are we going to consider Dame (assuming he doesn’t win anything in Milwaukee) “just a bucket” after he retires?
Yeah he played in the stone age and its hard to compare him to other greats but I somewhat agree with you, George Mikan did a lot for his time and was super influential, should definitely mention him in all time discussions for that alone.
Bob Cousy is the best all around pg in nba history. Elite athleticism, A sniper, 8x assist champion, lockdown defender and could guard every position. I don’t even think it’s a hot take it’s just factual
Regarding Mikan - if you're a Lakers fan, you've got to admit that he's one of the greatest Lakers of all time if you want to count to 17 rings. This isn't to say he's the 3rd greatest player to ever play for them (LeBron is a better basketball player all time than he has been as a Laker), but as far as franchise legacy goes he's only behind Magic and Kobe. Kareem and Shaq round out 4 & 5. Certainly higher than West, Baylor, Chamberlain, Worthy, LeBron, etc.
in 2004 in Wade's first playoffs series he put up 15.4 pts, 4.0 Reb, 5.6 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.1 BLK on 42.4% from the FG but these are slight decreases because he is a rookie still i guess he is bad
First off, DWade had a 24% usage rate, meaning that he barely had the ball for a superstar. To put that into perspective, three other dudes had the same, if not, greater usage than him (Caron Butler, Eddie Jones, Lamar Odom). Second of all, Lamar Odom had more touches and was the top scorer for the Miami Heat at the time. The Heat's philosophy has always been seniority and unless you prove your worth, you not getting the most touches. So how are you supposed to drop 20+ PTS a game with the same amount of touches as someone like Austin Reaves + Dalton Knecht on the Lakers?
@@WillZelek True, but in that Finals series, Shaq had statistically one of if not his worst playoff series ever. He was literally getting benched in the elimination games. Dwade deserved that Finals mvp by an enormous margin.
Hes in a similar boat to Otto Graham in the NFL. Due dominated his era, and revolutionized the position before we even really new what it was. The only knock on either of them is a serious lack of competition, but thats not their fault.
Bro said we all unanimously agree babe Ruth is the goat. Me and many other ppl have Willie mays. Some have Barry bonds, some have Hank Aaron, some have Ted Williams
@@LBSports ok fine and some people now argue Ohtani. My point is that all of those guys you mentioned played in the older era and baseball fans give them credit but NBA fans never mention Mikan
@@AndrewFenichelbaseball had already become a American icon it had time to develop and grow its talent pool, basketball was just getting started professionally when mikan played
@@AndrewFenichelIt’s because not to much credit is given to guys that played in the 50s people struggle enough to give bill Russell GOAT status. Because if we are just going by pure nba accolades bill russell wipes the floor with pretty much everyone. 11 titles and 5 mvps is pretty insane. Not to mention if DPOY had existed in Russell’s time he’d be the defensive player of the year every year. Just imagine a resume of 11 titles 9 dpoys 8 finals mvps and 5 mvps that’s literally the greatest player ever.
I can understand the Wade take even if I do slightly disagree but you can say that at his peak he’s the second best shooting guard because that should be ranked on their total career, if you want to say he had the second best shooting guard peak sure but putting it that way doesn’t make sense also if we’re being real peak Harden should be in that conversation even with the playoff choking
The problem with wades peak is it just didn’t last very long. Many people would say tmac is better than some prime legends to but availability is an underrated aspect of the game. Sure guys like Kawhi and bill walton were great but I’m not sure the rank super high due to longevity. Like we can all fantasize about d-rose but there is a reason he might not be a hall of famer despite being the youngest mvp of all time. That’s one of the greatest aspects about Jokic and Lebron is how available they are. That’s why I think Lebron is the GOAT. My point is Kobe’s peak and dominance lasted longer than wades which holds more weight to me.
And hes using an injured finals, and 2 series against the 2 best defenses of that era and probably the 2 best of all time excluding the 60s Celtics to downplay Kobe lmao. LeBron against the 08 Celtics was worse than Kobe was against them. Also the 04 lakers roster was trash with no depth and a bunch of injuries.
this is my hot take not saying kyrie is a better player than curry but why when steph and kyrie play each other kyrie basically plays better then curry every time it's like kyrie is curry's kryptonite
For your draft take I agree for the example but disagree in general. Getting HOFers in the second round or getting a generational prospect is luck. I think consistently nailing that lottery pick or consistently finding steals is what a good scouting department can do. You don’t have to be 100%, but you cannot tell me that the main difference between OKC and WSH draft pick’s talent is luck.
Last one is purely stupid because Baseball was at a completely different stage then basketball....been around longer and more money insentive than basketball
Interesting takes all around. I don’t think the Dirk one is really that hot a take though. Outside of revisionist history, or people too young to actually remember that era, that’s exactly the way he was perceived until 2011.
ur wade over kobe argument is the fact he can 'hang' with kobe and ur saying he won head-head only by 2 games despite having the better team for most of the decade, u give kobe prime bron and bosh and u CANNOT tell me he aint winnig more than 2! like he won 2 with gasol cmon now, hats off to dwade that in his prime he could 'hang' with kobe and that shows his greatness but kobes numbers/eye test he was just better - by having to compare 1 player to another to bring someone up is great it shows they can hang with soem of the goats but the fact u have to compare them to someine shows that person is on another level. mj debates are abt his greatness but lebron debates are abt how he stacks up vs mj... not tryna bring the goat debate into it but just an example of comparison.
I don’t understand your first take at all…I can see how maybe it saved Dirks career but what do you mean by the league not treating Europeans the same if it weren’t for Dirk winning in 2011? As far as I’m concerned the NBA is not DEI, so merit and skill have always been the benchmark for anyone. If Dirk lost in 2011, are you saying that Europeans after him like Nikola Luka Giannis ETC. wouldn’t be viewed the same?
I completely disagree with the dwade take. Dwade had clear limations with his outside shot. Kobe much more elite three level scorer. I can even argue kobe was the better defender in his prime . Dwade was closer to Paul Pierce in my eyes watching back then kobe . Which is still great Pierce 11 time all star and finals mvp
I don’t understand how you can have 4 MVPs 2 NBA Finals wins average 50 in a season have 25 rebounds per game in a season and not be considered a GOAT. People also don’t understand that he still did play against insanely good players. He had to play against a team with 7 HOF and in every single game he played against Bill Russel he still dominated him. On top of this he was a freak athlete. Imagine a person who is 7’1 with a 48 inch vertical, he ran track in college, was undefeated in the shot put, and won the high jump 3 years in a row in college This is just my take. Love to watch your videos btw
You said there nothing prime kobe could do that prime dwade couldn't, but kobe was a better 3pt and midrange shooter and i wold say was a better defender when he was locked in (not saying dwade was a bad defender at all) also not giving kobe credit as a better scorer for averaging 35 saying if dwade took more shots he could do it is a bad argument. He didnt thats all that matter thats why people don't use per 36 number. In the same way people say james harden had the best offensive peak steph probably could have avraged his numbers if he took more shots. I see what you mean with the take and its close also i think kobe won with less but thats not that important to me.
Bro no cap d wade in the 2014 finals had the worst series if not one of by a superstar of all time im jus saying when he say wade always showed up in the playoffs dat is a lie
George Mikan take is just trash for so many reasons. I wouldnt be able to write them down Woulda need a voice mail to list them all😂 In a world without Mike and Bron There is no sure goat. There would be an argument for everybody left in the top 10.
@@AndrewFenichel yes his FP% isnt good, but his energy and hype is what makes up for it. We all know you're just salty about the John Wall vs Westbrook lmao
2/4. Kobe is better and Mikan has zero goat case. If you think Wade ALWAYS showed up in the playoffs, you actually dont know basketball and ur just a hater
bye the logic that your useing wilt is the goat then becuase he avareged 50 and people think woilt drop off in scoreing in his later years, no he just stop scoreing and decided to foucuc on rrbounding and defense
@adrianstrong4345 saying he has a better goat case than Kareem is insane... 1 more ring does not equate to having the most points scored, most mvps, 2nd most all star games and all nba appearances, 2nd most points scored all time, etc... if you wanna say he had a better 8 year stretch, sure lmao. But he does not have anywhere near as good of a goat case
@@twistedtide I'm saying that the take is not as hot as it is. I think that George Mikan is a Top 15 player ever, and nobody gives him his flowers for starting the NBA and dominating. I have Larry Bird at 5, Hakeem at 4, Kobe at 3, MJ at 2, and LeBron at 1. George Mikan is my 15.
The mikan one is interesting because if you take his accolades in a vacuum, yeah he's the goat. And its not fair to him but you can't judge him like that, because he really did play vs part timers and mailmen Btw goated video idea, u should do more. Dunno what was going on with the mic for half the vid tho 😂❤
My hottest takes… 1. Tim Duncan was never the best player in the league, and has actually become overrated. Still a top 10 player ever for sure! But this RANDOM attempt to rewrite history and pretend he was ever better than Kobe or Shaq is WILD. 2. LeBron’s finals record is both overrated and underrated. The guys who just say “4-6!” are goofballs. The LeBron HATERS are silly. BUT. LeBron also gets far too much credit for having 10 Finals appearances. Congrats. You beat Demar Derozan and Jeff Teague over and over then lost to the truly good teams in the West. 3. Although the players today are more talented? Take five of the elite players today and five of the elite players from… I don’t know 2006? The 2006 squad kills them. They just applied the fundamentals of the game to a different extent. Movement without the ball. Actually accessing parts of the floor other than 25 footers. Significantly better defense. They’d be the old guys at the rec center. Less talented but just finding open shots and playing more fluently. 4. Kobe is top 3 easily. When you actually take into account the era he played in, his offense is INSANE. And his defense was crazy. (Also, your Wade > Kobe take is beyond ridiculous. Not even in the same class is Kobe. Kobe over Jordan is a more acceptable take than Wade over Kobe😂)
the first one i agree with i feel like lebron finals has became underrated as Michael jordan haters use it against him ad him being prime KD curry klay and draymond on that cavs team aint easy and the hawks won 60 games one of those years and he aint saying wade is better than Kobe all time like you are saying he is saying prime and all time prime shaq is the best one ever
You must be the type guy who said Westbrook was better scorer than Curry. Anybody who knew about PER, WS, VORP finds your comments to be completely stupid. Kobe was a wasteful, greedy & inefficient scorer. Sure he was still a great player, but top 3 is definitely super overrated. On the other, Duncan was definitely the best player in the league in 02 & 03. Especially the 03 playoffs, as one of the best if not the best carrying job in NBA history. And from 01-07, he was arguably the best defender in the league, not named Ben Wallace.
@@stevenellis99 thanks for not making any points, its clear you have a problem separating reality & personal feelings. Typical delusional Lakers fan. Kobe was the most entertaining player & from big market Lakers. That's why he's top 3. On the other hand, Duncan was the most boring player & from small market Spurs. That's why he can't be the best player. Is that your mindset?
Bro has a john wall jersey framed. Shows u how sorry the wizards have truly been. You a realy fan brotha🫡. Least you got jayden daniels. That mf is the truth🫡🫡🫡
Not sure if I agree with the Mikan take, but to add on the topic: he was the comissioner in the ABA who introduced the 3 point line. There are some sources of a quote of him saying this would help small players and level the field so the game wouldn't be striclty dominated by bigs. Now, other leagues did have it before the ABA, but the league was credited with its popularization due to being the 2nd biggest one, only behind the NBA. Just 3 years after the merge (1979) the NBA addopted the 3 point line. Again, not sure about GOAT, but I do think he is the most influential player ever.
Not sure if I agree with the Mikan take, but to add on the topic: he was the comissioner in the ABA who introduced the 3 point line. There are some sources of a quote of him saying this would help small players and level the field so the game wouldn't be striclty dominated by bigs. Now, other leagues did have it before the ABA, but the league was credited with its popularization due to being the 2nd biggest one, only behind the NBA. Just 3 years after the merge (1979) the NBA addopted the 3 point line. Again, not sure about GOAT, but I do think he is the most influential player ever.
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Andrew your George Mikan take is good but why did you not put Mikan in your top 25. Might as well have taken Bill Russell out of the top 15 if you were comparing eras like that.
7:48 “couldn’t of said it better myself” as if bro didn’t say it himself
couldn't have*
D wade 2014 stats (Elimination game) 11pts 3assists 33% and u said we wouldn't find any elimination game where he played bad so i don't wanna here that he was old or any other excuse.
Everybody has bad games idaf if it’s game 1 or 7
2014? So when he was playing with Bron, in a lesser role, and coming off injuries? Ok lil bro
One game Kobe had a lot
DWade was so far past his prime in 2014 due to the knee injuries. I mean fair enough, bad elimination game from Wade but I really only focus on like 2004-2011 Wade
No excuses
Andrew uses an excuse
Here's the case for Hakeem as number 4 on the list: Greatest all-around center in NBA history, greatest defender in NBA history, 2 rings, 2 DPOYs, All-time blocks leader, 7th in steals all-time, Greatest Footwork in NBA history, most skilled Post player in NBA history, the deepest bag in Center history, and second to Michael Jordan in the 90s.
Jokic is more skilled
On the offensive side, not the defensive side. AT ALL! Jokic was a little better offensively, but he doesn't have the scoring ability and the footwork than the Dream has. In terms of defense, I don;t even have to say anything.
bill was a better defender, and hakeem would be 3rd if blocks counted back then
@@adrianstrong4345 I’d argue Jokic was A LOT better offensively but yeah obviously on defense it’s not close either
Jokic is a good amount better than hakeem at offense because of the assists and 3 level scoring but hakeems scoring especially in the post was the best ever 2nd to kareem. Hakeem literally destroyed a prime MVP David Robinson in the playoffs too.
JxmyHighroller should react/break down these takes. Fire collab 🔥
would be an honor, Jxmy is a legend of the YT game
As for the Dwade take, the first series after 2006 championship in 2007 against Chicago he didn't play well. Also you can pick some series after the 2011 season. If you want to give credence to the fact he's taking a back seat to LeBron or that he's hurt, for whatever reason it's not the same Wade.
Not sure if I agree with the Mikan take, but to add on the topic: he was the comissioner in the ABA who introduced the 3 point line. There are some sources of a quote of him saying this would help small players and level the field so the game wouldn't be striclty dominated by bigs.
Now, other leagues did have it before the ABA, but the league was credited with its popularization due to being the 2nd biggest one, only behind the NBA. Just 3 years after the merge (1979) the NBA addopted the 3 point line.
Again, not sure about GOAT, but I do think he is the most influential player ever.
@@fuinha9355 exactly, glad you added that context to what I brought up. The three point line, the multi colored ball. Made a bunch of iconic changes in the ABA
Hot take: John Stockton is the most underrated defender of all time. He isn't a lockdown on ball defender, yes. But he is the only player I've seen disrupt passing lanes better than Spurs Kawhi.
If you watch an uncut 90's Jazz game, you will be surprised at how well he reads opposing offenses.
I got a hot take fo you: Hakeem Olajuwon is a Top 4 player in NBA history.
Yourw hilarious!
@Ray-hy9co I'm not joking. At his peak, he was a 2-time defensive player of the year who won back-to-back titles in Jordan's dismissal, had one of, if not the greatest footwork period in NBA history, and was without a doubt the greatest TWO-WAY player in league history.
You can argue he is the greatest defender in NBA history period. Elite on both the interior and perimeter, he is the all-time leader in blocks, and 7th in steals. I think that he is a Top-4 Talent in NBA history.
@@adrianstrong4345he had one of the best peaks of all time and by that I mean 3 season stretch. But he won 2 titles in one of the weakest times in nba history. And “having arguably the best footwork” in nba history does not make someone a top 5 player ever. Talking about steals and blocks, John Stockton has the most assists and steals of all time, so I’d like to know where he ranks all time for you. And sure let’s say he’s the best 2 way player of all time, what does he have to show for it? He has a singular MVP (again in the absence of Jordan) and the only time he was ever able to lead a team to the promised land was in a weak NBA. Hakeem also has a plethora of playoff chokes and fails as well which shouldn’t go unnoticed. I have Hakeem just outside my top ten which I think is a respectable placement
Nevertheless, I respect the hot take
With Mikan he played 7 years in the league which was split by 6 years one year of retirement and 1 final year
In 2013 against the bucks Dwyane averaged 13.7 on 37 percent field goal shooting, in the next series against Chicago he averaged 12.6
still better than kobe
He’s talking more prime wade
@@kian8258 he was 30 and finished too 10 in mvp
@@JoshHartFitnessOfficial shit fairs I forgot he was 23 his first chip 😭
Issue with comparing basketball and baseball is that basketball has evolved a lot more as a sport rules-wise. When Mikan first played, you didn't have to dribble, when Ruth played, home runs were still hard (arguably harder) to hit than they are present day.
Yo first Wsp Andrew, been a fan for a few years now, what’s ur opinion on Joe Johnson cuz I feel like my hot take would be bro was one of the most underrated players of all time and should be a hall of famer.
@@screamingbanana4391 Joe was a bucket for sure but honestly not much else. Never finished top 10 in MVP, 1x all-nba. No real iconic playoff moments. Never made an NBA Finals. Idk man just hard to put that kind of resume in the HOF
@ I see what you’re saying but that said he carried a team to the playoffs 5 years in a row when all he really had was Josh Smith and Al horford, he was the definition of consistent with great longevity. The guy changed the culture in Atlanta who had been awful and considered a dumpster franchise for a long time up to that point and dragged them into the playoffs a ton of times. The guy may never have been a top mvp finished or title winner but his prime years did land in the prime of guys like Kobe, Bron, Duncan, tmac, Wade, cp3, Dirk ect and never really got the fortune of playing with a championship team till later in his career. Are we going to consider Dame (assuming he doesn’t win anything in Milwaukee) “just a bucket” after he retires?
i’ve been waiting for this vid for a while. thank you👍
🤝🤝 and did it live up to the hype for you?
Yeah he played in the stone age and its hard to compare him to other greats but I somewhat agree with you, George Mikan did a lot for his time and was super influential, should definitely mention him in all time discussions for that alone.
Bob Cousy is the best all around pg in nba history. Elite athleticism, A sniper, 8x assist champion, lockdown defender and could guard every position. I don’t even think it’s a hot take it’s just factual
How can you be a sniper if the 3 point line didn’t exist
@@Cod307gr8 watch the tape bud. That brother was a sniper
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He did not have elite athleticism, he's good but no, that goes to Chris Paul, stop playing.
@@adrianstrong4345 best player in my lifetime. You just had to be there. He’s your favorite players favorite player
He's right. I would rather have Peak wade than Kobe. He was the better playmaker and was right there with Kobe when talking about scoring.
Obviously, you r a “megaheatfan”
the name suits you
No
he was NOT right there in terms of scoring but yeah he was a better at pm
@@Copiium.. He was still getting his buckets though
Regarding Mikan - if you're a Lakers fan, you've got to admit that he's one of the greatest Lakers of all time if you want to count to 17 rings. This isn't to say he's the 3rd greatest player to ever play for them (LeBron is a better basketball player all time than he has been as a Laker), but as far as franchise legacy goes he's only behind Magic and Kobe. Kareem and Shaq round out 4 & 5. Certainly higher than West, Baylor, Chamberlain, Worthy, LeBron, etc.
in 2004 in Wade's first playoffs series he put up 15.4 pts, 4.0 Reb, 5.6 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.1 BLK on 42.4% from the FG but these are slight decreases because he is a rookie still i guess he is bad
First off, DWade had a 24% usage rate, meaning that he barely had the ball for a superstar. To put that into perspective, three other dudes had the same, if not, greater usage than him (Caron Butler, Eddie Jones, Lamar Odom). Second of all, Lamar Odom had more touches and was the top scorer for the Miami Heat at the time. The Heat's philosophy has always been seniority and unless you prove your worth, you not getting the most touches. So how are you supposed to drop 20+ PTS a game with the same amount of touches as someone like Austin Reaves + Dalton Knecht on the Lakers?
The return of the king
The dwade take dosent make sense he needed shaq or lebron to win a chip.
I don't agree with his dwade take, but saying he needed Shaq in 2006 is kind of ridiculous
Shaq was second in mvp his first season on the heat and Wade wouldn’t have won without him
@@WillZelek True, but in that Finals series, Shaq had statistically one of if not his worst playoff series ever. He was literally getting benched in the elimination games. Dwade deserved that Finals mvp by an enormous margin.
If he was so good he would have done it outside of his years with Shaq and lebron
Like Kobe did. He won without Shaq.
DWADE WAS HIM in 2006!!!
You’re right
The 2011 helped as a huge case in Dirk’s legacy big time
Hes in a similar boat to Otto Graham in the NFL. Due dominated his era, and revolutionized the position before we even really new what it was. The only knock on either of them is a serious lack of competition, but thats not their fault.
Make a video reacting to other people’s NBA hot takes
Did that a couple months ago! Check it out, planning on doing it again soon
Bro said we all unanimously agree babe Ruth is the goat. Me and many other ppl have Willie mays. Some have Barry bonds, some have Hank Aaron, some have Ted Williams
@@LBSports ok fine and some people now argue Ohtani. My point is that all of those guys you mentioned played in the older era and baseball fans give them credit but NBA fans never mention Mikan
@@AndrewFenichelbaseball had already become a American icon it had time to develop and grow its talent pool, basketball was just getting started professionally when mikan played
@@AndrewFenichelIt’s because not to much credit is given to guys that played in the 50s people struggle enough to give bill Russell GOAT status. Because if we are just going by pure nba accolades bill russell wipes the floor with pretty much everyone. 11 titles and 5 mvps is pretty insane. Not to mention if DPOY had existed in Russell’s time he’d be the defensive player of the year every year. Just imagine a resume of 11 titles 9 dpoys 8 finals mvps and 5 mvps that’s literally the greatest player ever.
Prime wade should’ve won mvp
I can understand the Wade take even if I do slightly disagree but you can say that at his peak he’s the second best shooting guard because that should be ranked on their total career, if you want to say he had the second best shooting guard peak sure but putting it that way doesn’t make sense also if we’re being real peak Harden should be in that conversation even with the playoff choking
haha yeah peak Kobe vs peak Harden vs peak Wade is a fun debate. Honestly throw in Jerry West there too
Great video! Keep up the work and this channel will take off.
Appreciate that man, slow grind is the best grind
The problem with wades peak is it just didn’t last very long. Many people would say tmac is better than some prime legends to but availability is an underrated aspect of the game. Sure guys like Kawhi and bill walton were great but I’m not sure the rank super high due to longevity. Like we can all fantasize about d-rose but there is a reason he might not be a hall of famer despite being the youngest mvp of all time. That’s one of the greatest aspects about Jokic and Lebron is how available they are. That’s why I think Lebron is the GOAT. My point is Kobe’s peak and dominance lasted longer than wades which holds more weight to me.
And hes using an injured finals, and 2 series against the 2 best defenses of that era and probably the 2 best of all time excluding the 60s Celtics to downplay Kobe lmao. LeBron against the 08 Celtics was worse than Kobe was against them. Also the 04 lakers roster was trash with no depth and a bunch of injuries.
But the thing is I could’ve dominated Mikan’s era
you would average 15
Peak wade was a monster but there’s no way in hell i would take him over Kobe.
this is my hot take
not saying kyrie is a better player than curry but why when steph and kyrie play each other kyrie basically plays better then curry every time it's like kyrie is curry's kryptonite
Well, Curry's knees are made of glass, you could say he's Curry's kryptonite.
Hot take is an nfl take but josh allen winning mvp over lamar is like embiid winning over jokic in 2023
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Kobe > D-Wade easy
This man is a fool lol
Wade is better than kobrick overrated Bryant
@@darkballerz no
For your draft take I agree for the example but disagree in general. Getting HOFers in the second round or getting a generational prospect is luck. I think consistently nailing that lottery pick or consistently finding steals is what a good scouting department can do. You don’t have to be 100%, but you cannot tell me that the main difference between OKC and WSH draft pick’s talent is luck.
Last one is purely stupid because Baseball was at a completely different stage then basketball....been around longer and more money insentive than basketball
How are you so low on wilt and so high on Mikan
8:25 Game 3 of the 2013 First Round against the Bucks
Interesting takes all around. I don’t think the Dirk one is really that hot a take though. Outside of revisionist history, or people too young to actually remember that era, that’s exactly the way he was perceived until 2011.
ur wade over kobe argument is the fact he can 'hang' with kobe and ur saying he won head-head only by 2 games despite having the better team for most of the decade, u give kobe prime bron and bosh and u CANNOT tell me he aint winnig more than 2! like he won 2 with gasol cmon now, hats off to dwade that in his prime he could 'hang' with kobe and that shows his greatness but kobes numbers/eye test he was just better - by having to compare 1 player to another to bring someone up is great it shows they can hang with soem of the goats but the fact u have to compare them to someine shows that person is on another level. mj debates are abt his greatness but lebron debates are abt how he stacks up vs mj... not tryna bring the goat debate into it but just an example of comparison.
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SGA is not a european though
finally, i found a comment that said that as SGA is from Canada
1. True
2. True
3. Basically, yes. I do agree for the most part.
4. Dolph Schayes?!! Ed Mcauley?!!!!! Come on now.
What's the worst hot take you've heard drew
oh man where to start lol. Prob Metta World Peace saying he has Kyrie over LeBron all-time?\
Prime Harden > Prime D wade/Kobe
2:58 - Shai Gilgeous is Canadian buddy.
Wade over Kobe I agree if we put a squad around him after the 06 this would know more
I don’t understand your first take at all…I can see how maybe it saved Dirks career but what do you mean by the league not treating Europeans the same if it weren’t for Dirk winning in 2011? As far as I’m concerned the NBA is not DEI, so merit and skill have always been the benchmark for anyone. If Dirk lost in 2011, are you saying that Europeans after him like Nikola Luka Giannis ETC. wouldn’t be viewed the same?
I completely disagree with the dwade take. Dwade had clear limations with his outside shot. Kobe much more elite three level scorer. I can even argue kobe was the better defender in his prime . Dwade was closer to Paul Pierce in my eyes watching back then kobe . Which is still great Pierce 11 time all star and finals mvp
You dont know anything about basketball if you say DWade is better than Kobe in their primes
People were definitely not as good in the 40s and 50s George Mikan if he played now would probable be an average basketball player
I think it’s a crime that CP3 & Kobe didn’t play together. That would be the greatest what if ever.
That’s my hot take.
they wouldnt of won a ring
@@devinjones6670 Agree but please learn how to write.
I think prime 2019 harden was 2nd best prime sg
even wade would call u crazy for that take…
This guy is an idiot
Wade better than kobrick
Shohei > Ruth
I need a petition to stop this guys TH-cam plz he’s clueless af
zero likes lmao
My hottest take that I truly believe in is that Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT
blazing hot lol. just burnt my screen
I don’t understand how you can have 4 MVPs 2 NBA Finals wins average 50 in a season have 25 rebounds per game in a season and not be considered a GOAT. People also don’t understand that he still did play against insanely good players. He had to play against a team with 7 HOF and in every single game he played against Bill Russel he still dominated him. On top of this he was a freak athlete. Imagine a person who is 7’1 with a 48 inch vertical, he ran track in college, was undefeated in the shot put, and won the high jump 3 years in a row in college
This is just my take. Love to watch your videos btw
You said there nothing prime kobe could do that prime dwade couldn't, but kobe was a better 3pt and midrange shooter and i wold say was a better defender when he was locked in (not saying dwade was a bad defender at all) also not giving kobe credit as a better scorer for averaging 35 saying if dwade took more shots he could do it is a bad argument. He didnt thats all that matter thats why people don't use per 36 number. In the same way people say james harden had the best offensive peak steph probably could have avraged his numbers if he took more shots. I see what you mean with the take and its close also i think kobe won with less but thats not that important to me.
Kobrick Bryant is the most overrated player of all time in sports
Dirk is a top 12 player of all time. Yeah I said it.
1 ring 1 mvp ur delusional buddy and he sucked on defense.
@Ray-hy9co You sound like a supreme Bronny glazer.
You are literally the only person in the world who would say wade was better than Kobe 😂 that’s how I know you’re a hater bro
Hot Take: Steph Curry is better than Magic Johnson all time
Cold
LLWL. Strongly disagree with mikan and the draft one
25% shooting, call me Joel Embiid
Bro no cap d wade in the 2014 finals had the worst series if not one of by a superstar of all time im jus saying when he say wade always showed up in the playoffs dat is a lie
Good video
George Mikan take is just trash for so many reasons. I wouldnt be able to write them down
Woulda need a voice mail to list them all😂
In a world without Mike and Bron There is no sure goat. There would be an argument for everybody left in the top 10.
Wade >>>>>>Kobe
What’s your worst hot takes
Back in middle school I thought Anthony Davis would be a bust in the 2012 NBA Draft. Thats a pretty bad one
And he turned out to be a superstar
mine would be I thought Michal Jorden was fake
@ by the way I’ve watched all your shorts 2 times your a great TH-camr keep doing your work I love your hot takes
@Theballin_goats2 haha appreciate that man, means a lot
Your the only TH-camr that’s acknowledged my comments that’s a first
I have a hot take for you LeBron is overrated and doesn't deserve top 10 consideration.
Your worst takes are your Westbrook and Stockton takes. Neither of which are backed up by stats and only opinions.
What? I feel like my Westbrook takes are 100% backed up by pure stats
Hes right westbrick is terrible and the stats prove it
@@AndrewFenichel yes his FP% isnt good, but his energy and hype is what makes up for it. We all know you're just salty about the John Wall vs Westbrook lmao
Bill Russell is the most overrated sports player
Kobrick Bryant not top 100000000
2/4. Kobe is better and Mikan has zero goat case. If you think Wade ALWAYS showed up in the playoffs, you actually dont know basketball and ur just a hater
His wade take was straight facts
@ no
@Ray-hy9co no it wasn’t
Kobrick is overrated
bye the logic that your useing wilt is the goat then becuase he avareged 50 and people think woilt drop off in scoreing in his later years, no he just stop scoreing and decided to foucuc on rrbounding and defense
were you drunk towards the end of typing this comment
Uhm… idek why I’m still subbed atm, ur takes bro… absolutely the worst
I didnt hate this until the George Mikan take. That was aggregious
Not really. George Mikan was the OG. The league's first superstar, who dominated the league front to back.
@adrianstrong4345 saying he has a better goat case than Kareem is insane... 1 more ring does not equate to having the most points scored, most mvps, 2nd most all star games and all nba appearances, 2nd most points scored all time, etc... if you wanna say he had a better 8 year stretch, sure lmao. But he does not have anywhere near as good of a goat case
@@twistedtide I'm saying that the take is not as hot as it is. I think that George Mikan is a Top 15 player ever, and nobody gives him his flowers for starting the NBA and dominating. I have Larry Bird at 5, Hakeem at 4, Kobe at 3, MJ at 2, and LeBron at 1. George Mikan is my 15.
@@twistedtide go watch my Kareem longform video, I think you'll learn a lot from it
@@adrianstrong4345 that's completely fair, I'm just talking purely having him as the 3rd best resume ever
The mikan one is interesting because if you take his accolades in a vacuum, yeah he's the goat.
And its not fair to him but you can't judge him like that, because he really did play vs part timers and mailmen
Btw goated video idea, u should do more. Dunno what was going on with the mic for half the vid tho 😂❤
My hottest takes…
1. Tim Duncan was never the best player in the league, and has actually become overrated. Still a top 10 player ever for sure! But this RANDOM attempt to rewrite history and pretend he was ever better than Kobe or Shaq is WILD.
2. LeBron’s finals record is both overrated and underrated. The guys who just say “4-6!” are goofballs. The LeBron HATERS are silly. BUT. LeBron also gets far too much credit for having 10 Finals appearances. Congrats. You beat Demar Derozan and Jeff Teague over and over then lost to the truly good teams in the West.
3. Although the players today are more talented? Take five of the elite players today and five of the elite players from… I don’t know 2006? The 2006 squad kills them. They just applied the fundamentals of the game to a different extent. Movement without the ball. Actually accessing parts of the floor other than 25 footers. Significantly better defense. They’d be the old guys at the rec center. Less talented but just finding open shots and playing more fluently.
4. Kobe is top 3 easily. When you actually take into account the era he played in, his offense is INSANE. And his defense was crazy.
(Also, your Wade > Kobe take is beyond ridiculous. Not even in the same class is Kobe. Kobe over Jordan is a more acceptable take than Wade over Kobe😂)
the first one i agree with i feel like lebron finals has became underrated as Michael jordan haters use it against him ad him being prime KD curry klay and draymond on that cavs team aint easy and the hawks won 60 games one of those years and he aint saying wade is better than Kobe all time like you are saying he is saying prime and all time prime shaq is the best one ever
@ thank you for making it abundantly clear you don’t remember and don’t have any understanding of the 2000’s era
You must be the type guy who said Westbrook was better scorer than Curry.
Anybody who knew about PER, WS, VORP finds your comments to be completely stupid.
Kobe was a wasteful, greedy & inefficient scorer. Sure he was still a great player, but top 3 is definitely super overrated.
On the other, Duncan was definitely the best player in the league in 02 & 03. Especially the 03 playoffs, as one of the best if not the best carrying job in NBA history.
And from 01-07, he was arguably the best defender in the league, not named Ben Wallace.
@@stevenellis99
thanks for not making any point, you have problem distinguishing reality & personal feelings.
@@stevenellis99
thanks for not making any points, its clear you have a problem separating reality & personal feelings.
Typical delusional Lakers fan. Kobe was the most entertaining player & from big market Lakers. That's why he's top 3.
On the other hand, Duncan was the most boring player & from small market Spurs. That's why he can't be the best player.
Is that your mindset?
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Not sure if I agree with the Mikan take, but to add on the topic: he was the comissioner in the ABA who introduced the 3 point line. There are some sources of a quote of him saying this would help small players and level the field so the game wouldn't be striclty dominated by bigs.
Now, other leagues did have it before the ABA, but the league was credited with its popularization due to being the 2nd biggest one, only behind the NBA. Just 3 years after the merge (1979) the NBA addopted the 3 point line.
Again, not sure about GOAT, but I do think he is the most influential player ever.
Kobrick is overrated
Not sure if I agree with the Mikan take, but to add on the topic: he was the comissioner in the ABA who introduced the 3 point line. There are some sources of a quote of him saying this would help small players and level the field so the game wouldn't be striclty dominated by bigs.
Now, other leagues did have it before the ABA, but the league was credited with its popularization due to being the 2nd biggest one, only behind the NBA. Just 3 years after the merge (1979) the NBA addopted the 3 point line.
Again, not sure about GOAT, but I do think he is the most influential player ever.