Andrew your George Mikan take is good but why did you not put Mikan in your top 25. Might as well have taken Bill Russell out of the top 15 if you were comparing eras like that.
Here's the case for Hakeem as number 4 on the list: Greatest all-around center in NBA history, greatest defender in NBA history, 2 rings, 2 DPOYs, All-time blocks leader, 7th in steals all-time, Greatest Footwork in NBA history, most skilled Post player in NBA history, the deepest bag in Center history, and second to Michael Jordan in the 90s.
On the offensive side, not the defensive side. AT ALL! Jokic was a little better offensively, but he doesn't have the scoring ability and the footwork than the Dream has. In terms of defense, I don;t even have to say anything.
Jokic is a good amount better than hakeem at offense because of the assists and 3 level scoring but hakeems scoring especially in the post was the best ever 2nd to kareem. Hakeem literally destroyed a prime MVP David Robinson in the playoffs too.
As for the Dwade take, the first series after 2006 championship in 2007 against Chicago he didn't play well. Also you can pick some series after the 2011 season. If you want to give credence to the fact he's taking a back seat to LeBron or that he's hurt, for whatever reason it's not the same Wade.
D wade 2014 stats (Elimination game) 11pts 3assists 33% and u said we wouldn't find any elimination game where he played bad so i don't wanna here that he was old or any other excuse.
DWade was so far past his prime in 2014 due to the knee injuries. I mean fair enough, bad elimination game from Wade but I really only focus on like 2004-2011 Wade
Hot take: John Stockton is the most underrated defender of all time. He isn't a lockdown on ball defender, yes. But he is the only player I've seen disrupt passing lanes better than Spurs Kawhi. If you watch an uncut 90's Jazz game, you will be surprised at how well he reads opposing offenses.
Nah, he is if anything overrated because of his high steals numbers. Not that he is a bad defender, he is great, especially for a point guard. But people overvalue counting stats.
@@jaketerpening3284Do you watch full 90s jazz games. Because it seems you proved his point. I haven't heard a soul credit Stocktons defense as good just because hes small and white. The reason he's a good defender is due to the fact he genuinely has some of the best vision ever along with being also more athletic then people credit allowing him to have energy to play defense.
@@4u2nvHock3y I'm not sure you are interpreting my comment correctly. I am mostly in agreement with OP about Stockton's ability on defense, but I feel like the community perception on him is higher than he earns because of good counting stats. Could just be the circles I run in though.
We done with the 90s John Stockton was trashhhhhhh. A 5th grader now could give him 80, his defense is overrated his stats was inflated yet yall still hug his meat like hop off curry, guy Rodger’s and bill Sherman way better we done with the 90s we done with John stocken who’s the worst passer and defender in nba history, not even top 100 all time
We done with the 90s John Stockton was trashhhhhhh. A 5th grader now could give him 80, his defense is overrated his stats was inflated yet yall still hug his meat like hop off curry, guy Rodger’s and bill Sherman way better we done with the 90s we done with John stocken who’s the worst passer and defender in nba history, not even top 100 all time
Yeah i get this guys point that stat wise theyre not too different. But when you look at accomplishments and clutch, Kobe is better. Kobe also played in the harder era and won 2 rings without a top 10 player
Not sure if I agree with the Mikan take, but to add on the topic: he was the comissioner in the ABA who introduced the 3 point line. There are some sources of a quote of him saying this would help small players and level the field so the game wouldn't be striclty dominated by bigs. Now, other leagues did have it before the ABA, but the league was credited with its popularization due to being the 2nd biggest one, only behind the NBA. Just 3 years after the merge (1979) the NBA addopted the 3 point line. Again, not sure about GOAT, but I do think he is the most influential player ever.
@@fuinha9355 exactly, glad you added that context to what I brought up. The three point line, the multi colored ball. Made a bunch of iconic changes in the ABA
Issue with comparing basketball and baseball is that basketball has evolved a lot more as a sport rules-wise. When Mikan first played, you didn't have to dribble, when Ruth played, home runs were still hard (arguably harder) to hit than they are present day.
Dwade had a terrible elimination game • Points: 6 • Field Goals: 2-of-10 (20%) • Three-Point Shooting: 0-of-4 • Free Throws: 2-of-2 • Rebounds: 4 • Assists: 4 Game 6 2011 Finals Choking and the Mavs win the championship
@Ray-hy9co I'm not joking. At his peak, he was a 2-time defensive player of the year who won back-to-back titles in Jordan's dismissal, had one of, if not the greatest footwork period in NBA history, and was without a doubt the greatest TWO-WAY player in league history.
You can argue he is the greatest defender in NBA history period. Elite on both the interior and perimeter, he is the all-time leader in blocks, and 7th in steals. I think that he is a Top-4 Talent in NBA history.
@@adrianstrong4345he had one of the best peaks of all time and by that I mean 3 season stretch. But he won 2 titles in one of the weakest times in nba history. And “having arguably the best footwork” in nba history does not make someone a top 5 player ever. Talking about steals and blocks, John Stockton has the most assists and steals of all time, so I’d like to know where he ranks all time for you. And sure let’s say he’s the best 2 way player of all time, what does he have to show for it? He has a singular MVP (again in the absence of Jordan) and the only time he was ever able to lead a team to the promised land was in a weak NBA. Hakeem also has a plethora of playoff chokes and fails as well which shouldn’t go unnoticed. I have Hakeem just outside my top ten which I think is a respectable placement
Big Fan here, Respectfully i disagree about the Wade > Kobe Take. You showed Wade and Kobe's numbers in 2006 and 2010 and Kobe had better numbers than Wade. In 2006 when they were both in their primes, Kobe averaged more points than Wade and was barely behind him on assists and rebounds. Kobe also had a certain clutch factor and Mentalitity that allowed him to win in the playoffs in 2009 and 2010 by himself which Wade couldn't do withont Lebron or Shaq. Wade also couldn't take charge and lead a team like Kobe could, which is an important skill if you want to win when it really matters.
Its not that Wade was better. Its that Wade had a better peak. Stat wise its true. But I mean the quality of ball from Kobe was still higher. He had just been placed in overall tougher spots
Actually kobe had no help in his prime 2009 and 2010 is not kobe 100% kobe prime maybe the most matured kobe but 2005-2008 is the black mamba peak they got short in 2008 finals because some injuries of his teammate and gasol still soft that time thats why he bump gasol in Olympics.
The problem with mikan is that the rules were too different to rank him but he should still get respect. Honestly modern basketball started in 1980 when the 3 point line was introduced
Regarding Mikan - if you're a Lakers fan, you've got to admit that he's one of the greatest Lakers of all time if you want to count to 17 rings. This isn't to say he's the 3rd greatest player to ever play for them (LeBron is a better basketball player all time than he has been as a Laker), but as far as franchise legacy goes he's only behind Magic and Kobe. Kareem and Shaq round out 4 & 5. Certainly higher than West, Baylor, Chamberlain, Worthy, LeBron, etc.
Yo first Wsp Andrew, been a fan for a few years now, what’s ur opinion on Joe Johnson cuz I feel like my hot take would be bro was one of the most underrated players of all time and should be a hall of famer.
@@screamingbanana4391 Joe was a bucket for sure but honestly not much else. Never finished top 10 in MVP, 1x all-nba. No real iconic playoff moments. Never made an NBA Finals. Idk man just hard to put that kind of resume in the HOF
@ I see what you’re saying but that said he carried a team to the playoffs 5 years in a row when all he really had was Josh Smith and Al horford, he was the definition of consistent with great longevity. The guy changed the culture in Atlanta who had been awful and considered a dumpster franchise for a long time up to that point and dragged them into the playoffs a ton of times. The guy may never have been a top mvp finished or title winner but his prime years did land in the prime of guys like Kobe, Bron, Duncan, tmac, Wade, cp3, Dirk ect and never really got the fortune of playing with a championship team till later in his career. Are we going to consider Dame (assuming he doesn’t win anything in Milwaukee) “just a bucket” after he retires?
Hes in a similar boat to Otto Graham in the NFL. Due dominated his era, and revolutionized the position before we even really new what it was. The only knock on either of them is a serious lack of competition, but thats not their fault.
ur wade over kobe argument is the fact he can 'hang' with kobe and ur saying he won head-head only by 2 games despite having the better team for most of the decade, u give kobe prime bron and bosh and u CANNOT tell me he aint winnig more than 2! like he won 2 with gasol cmon now, hats off to dwade that in his prime he could 'hang' with kobe and that shows his greatness but kobes numbers/eye test he was just better - by having to compare 1 player to another to bring someone up is great it shows they can hang with soem of the goats but the fact u have to compare them to someine shows that person is on another level. mj debates are abt his greatness but lebron debates are abt how he stacks up vs mj... not tryna bring the goat debate into it but just an example of comparison.
Yeah he played in the stone age and its hard to compare him to other greats but I somewhat agree with you, George Mikan did a lot for his time and was super influential, should definitely mention him in all time discussions for that alone.
@@WillZelek True, but in that Finals series, Shaq had statistically one of if not his worst playoff series ever. He was literally getting benched in the elimination games. Dwade deserved that Finals mvp by an enormous margin.
Well its hard to value success when it was so much easier to have success when he played. For 1, there were just 8 teams compared to the 30 today. 2nd there was just also less talent by a long shot seeing as how it was the start of the NBA at the time. Bill dominated with his size and athletisism. Not really his pure basketball skills. This isnt to say that means Russell didnt have an amazing career that is one of the greatest ever. Its just like the difference between a high school kid dominating a high school basketball game and then an nba player dominating an nba game. When there are hs kids who drop insane stats in those games you won't hear people saying hes better then LeBron. But when Luka drops 73 in the NBA the world goes wild. Its the same thing. I believe the best goat case is still Kareem by far. As much of a Kareem hater this man is for saying he played against pure plumbers. That just maybe because it was basically impossible for the sport to develop in the 70s. It just so happened Kareem developed Basketball and how to play all on his own. No internet. None of that. He just learned with his own experience how to adapt and take over the league. He has 5 rings. 6 mvps. 2 fmvps. x11 all defense. x15 all nba x19 all star not to mention averaged a double double throughout his entire career. Leads the league all time in 2pt field goals and just genuinely had one of the longest careers at the top.
@@4u2nvHock3y While you did need objectively fewer wins, the low team count meant the top talent was pretty stacked on top teams, so it's not like having 1/3 of the teams means it was 3 times easier. It would be one thing if he wasn't basically always winning, but you can only beat the competition ahead of you, and Bill won 11 of his 13 seasons with one of his 2 losses being due to him being injured in the finals. Bill really didn't have overwhelming size, but regardless I don't think size and athleticism should count against a player. He was also very smart about the game, as he managed to operate as a player coach. A lot of the awards that Kareem had weren't even invented when Bill was playing, but if you ask anyone what is the most valuable award in Basketball, they are gonna go with a championship. Every other player you need to make some sort of subjective argument for and thus you can technically leave them out of the discussion. Bill Russell has the most objective case and thus must be in the conversation, even if it's trying to make an excuse as to why he won so much.
A couple days ago I told my family members that I think peak Jokic is better than Peak Kobe. I even made a slideshow presentation and now I have them all questioning everything (they grew up with Kobe obv)
@@reptileloverreptile-vt6fd statistically beats Kobe in everything except scoring. I understand there’s a nostalgic factor for a lot of people but in terms of stats and overall effectiveness on the court Jokic wins
The problem with wades peak is it just didn’t last very long. Many people would say tmac is better than some prime legends to but availability is an underrated aspect of the game. Sure guys like Kawhi and bill walton were great but I’m not sure the rank super high due to longevity. Like we can all fantasize about d-rose but there is a reason he might not be a hall of famer despite being the youngest mvp of all time. That’s one of the greatest aspects about Jokic and Lebron is how available they are. That’s why I think Lebron is the GOAT. My point is Kobe’s peak and dominance lasted longer than wades which holds more weight to me.
And hes using an injured finals, and 2 series against the 2 best defenses of that era and probably the 2 best of all time excluding the 60s Celtics to downplay Kobe lmao. LeBron against the 08 Celtics was worse than Kobe was against them. Also the 04 lakers roster was trash with no depth and a bunch of injuries.
7:26 Bro this is u fair because in 2010, kobe faced all 50 win teams to get to the finals. The east was alot weaker than the west. Swap thier seasons and kobes doing better
james wiseman taken second wasn’t a bad pick, he just got no minutes to develop in the nba his rookie seasons cause he was on a near playoff contention team already. lamelo probably would be a much worse player if he was taken by golden state because no shot he’s getting put in over curry.
Bob Cousy is the best all around pg in nba history. Elite athleticism, A sniper, 8x assist champion, lockdown defender and could guard every position. I don’t even think it’s a hot take it’s just factual
I can understand the Wade take even if I do slightly disagree but you can say that at his peak he’s the second best shooting guard because that should be ranked on their total career, if you want to say he had the second best shooting guard peak sure but putting it that way doesn’t make sense also if we’re being real peak Harden should be in that conversation even with the playoff choking
To all the young people who always talk about the plumber era, just remember they had 2 jobs because the NBA didn't pay enough to live on then. They were all of the best players coming out of college just like today. It is naive to think that today's players are a that much better talent than players like Wilt or Mikan. They didn't. Have the opportunity to just concentrate on basketball then and if they could have and all of the stats kept today would have been kept then you wouldn't be as ignorant in your arguments
If anything today era proves the old heads right. Bird is Luka and Jokic in 1 but also he was a great defender. He was even a clutch defender. How many guys do we ever describe as a clutch defender? Now let’s imagine a guy with the body of a young shaq and the game of a prime wade and what do you get? Giannis!!!! He’s a freak!!! Now imagine giving him a couple more inches in height, 30 more pounds, a great post game and the passing ability of Jokic and what would we get? Wilt chamberlain. Even as an older nba player he was blocking Kareem’s sky hook.
Bro said we all unanimously agree babe Ruth is the goat. Me and many other ppl have Willie mays. Some have Barry bonds, some have Hank Aaron, some have Ted Williams
@@LBSports ok fine and some people now argue Ohtani. My point is that all of those guys you mentioned played in the older era and baseball fans give them credit but NBA fans never mention Mikan
@@AndrewFenichelbaseball had already become a American icon it had time to develop and grow its talent pool, basketball was just getting started professionally when mikan played
@@AndrewFenichelIt’s because not to much credit is given to guys that played in the 50s people struggle enough to give bill Russell GOAT status. Because if we are just going by pure nba accolades bill russell wipes the floor with pretty much everyone. 11 titles and 5 mvps is pretty insane. Not to mention if DPOY had existed in Russell’s time he’d be the defensive player of the year every year. Just imagine a resume of 11 titles 9 dpoys 8 finals mvps and 5 mvps that’s literally the greatest player ever.
in 2004 in Wade's first playoffs series he put up 15.4 pts, 4.0 Reb, 5.6 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.1 BLK on 42.4% from the FG but these are slight decreases because he is a rookie still i guess he is bad
First off, DWade had a 24% usage rate, meaning that he barely had the ball for a superstar. To put that into perspective, three other dudes had the same, if not, greater usage than him (Caron Butler, Eddie Jones, Lamar Odom). Second of all, Lamar Odom had more touches and was the top scorer for the Miami Heat at the time. The Heat's philosophy has always been seniority and unless you prove your worth, you not getting the most touches. So how are you supposed to drop 20+ PTS a game with the same amount of touches as someone like Austin Reaves + Dalton Knecht on the Lakers?
@@marcstevenbalaoro7952 he played 38.5 minutes a game and shot only 42.5% from the FG in 38.5 minutes he can do more then just 15 PTS also Dwyane still had the ball more then anyone on the heat
@SamOBrien-mr7jk Again, this doesn't address that he had the ball as much as a third option. It's like expecting Jrue Holiday on the Bucks to drop 20 a game with Giannis and Middleton having the ball.
@@marcstevenbalaoro7952 im not saying he is suppose to drop 20 i'm i think i expect a little more mustard on my hot dog when your putting up 15 pts and only 42.4% from the FG and Dwyane's usage was 24.7% Lamar Odom's was 24.1% so you are wrong
I wholeheartedly agree with peak Wade over Kobe !! dwade was smaller and made the game look EASIER kobe was taller and he always struggling to shoot efficiently
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Kobe was a way better shooter in the midrange and from 3, a much better man-on-man defender, and when both took 27+ shots in their respective primes (Kobe from 03-10, Wade from 05-11), Kobe averaged more points (39.6 to 38.3), proving that he is the better volume scorer. And playoff success and accolades are commonly used as a measure to prove who the better player is, it's not fair at all to exclude them
The East was soft af and Wade still managed to struggle over there. He isn’t Kobe. Every year the West was a gauntlet and Kobe had way more success even despite all of that
I don't agree with the wade Kobe one because by the end of the season Kobe usually played hurt or had obvious undisclosed injuries he made no excuses also Kobe was a great defensive player
this is my hot take not saying kyrie is a better player than curry but why when steph and kyrie play each other kyrie basically plays better then curry every time it's like kyrie is curry's kryptonite
This We also need to add harden into this. Not that harden always outplays him but harden has always done more with less talent and can actually play the point just like kyrie. Nobody wants to call it like it is and that’s curry is an undersized 2 being hidden at the 1. He doesn’t give any noticeable pg qualities, he just shoots really damn good. Imagine a power forward that couldn’t rebound that good, couldn’t block shots that good, didn’t set picks that good and didn’t have a post game but could shoot it lights out. Is he really a power forward or just a 2guard listed as a 4? Kyrie outplays harden because he brings more tangibles to the game compared to curry being a phenomenal shooter and honestly kyrie isn’t too far off of a shooter than curry. Yeah harden is second all time in 3s made but I’m taking kyrie over harden for a 3 if my life depended on it.
@ any great player has “gravity.” Shaq had gravity, chamberlain had gravity, jordan had gravity, Chris Paul has gravity, Jokic has gravity, harden has gravity, Westbrook has gravity. “Gravity” isn’t saying much.
@ no shit but curry has 3 point gravity which gives an absurd amount of inside spacing for the warriors to operate that combined with his off all movement allows off ball play making it so he can easily draw doubles allowing for easy passes and layups. He definitely isn’t a traditional pg more of combo guard if anything
Last one is purely stupid because Baseball was at a completely different stage then basketball....been around longer and more money insentive than basketball
Here's my hot takes 1. At their respective peaks, KD > Duncan 2. Wemby is already a top 10 center of all time based on ability 3. Embiid clears Hakeem 4. Kyrie has more aura than Jordan
For your draft take I agree for the example but disagree in general. Getting HOFers in the second round or getting a generational prospect is luck. I think consistently nailing that lottery pick or consistently finding steals is what a good scouting department can do. You don’t have to be 100%, but you cannot tell me that the main difference between OKC and WSH draft pick’s talent is luck.
Interesting takes all around. I don’t think the Dirk one is really that hot a take though. Outside of revisionist history, or people too young to actually remember that era, that’s exactly the way he was perceived until 2011.
Here’s a couple: Although great, Magic Johnson was not better than Bird. Kobe and Shaq were not as good as most people think. Steph was the best player on the Warriors even when KD was there.
@@AndrewFenichelso many tv personalities have Magic around #3 or 4 all time and Bird in the 7-12 range. Like people forget that Bird was considered better for most of their career.
I completely disagree with the dwade take. Dwade had clear limations with his outside shot. Kobe much more elite three level scorer. I can even argue kobe was the better defender in his prime . Dwade was closer to Paul Pierce in my eyes watching back then kobe . Which is still great Pierce 11 time all star and finals mvp
I mean dude how specific to you have to get to defend a player? Your asking us to name a situation where Dwayne Wade has played bad in an elimination playoff game from an 8 year span from 04-11. And there are still games where he didnt perform. 04-05 R1 Game 7 vs Pistons: 43 minutes 20p 1r 4a 35% FG 0% 3PT. 06-07 R1 Game 4 vs Bulls: 45 minutes 24p 5r 10a 33% FG 10-11 R4 Game 6 vs Mavs: 41 minutes 18p 8r 6a 37% FG. I mean thats 3 Elimination games out of the 7 from 2004-2011 where he objectively played bad. Not to mention hes basically clocking 45 minutes in all of them. I didnt even go and check other games that were crucial wins in the playoffs because quite frankly its dumb annoying to find all the stats calculate all the percentages and type them in. At least from the data i got though that you asked for, it seems dwade really wasnt all that and was just a guy in most cases playing 45+ minutes and getting 20+ shots up. I understand your argument but no. Kobe is still the 3rd greatest player ever. And had a much better prime then Wade's
And i already know if anyone sees this comment they will point the finger at me saying in those 3 games he still averaged 20.6 ppg 4.7 rpg 6.7 apg but like again look at the amount of minutes he played in each of thkse games. Not to mention shot under 40% in all of them.
I don’t understand how you can have 4 MVPs 2 NBA Finals wins average 50 in a season have 25 rebounds per game in a season and not be considered a GOAT. People also don’t understand that he still did play against insanely good players. He had to play against a team with 7 HOF and in every single game he played against Bill Russel he still dominated him. On top of this he was a freak athlete. Imagine a person who is 7’1 with a 48 inch vertical, he ran track in college, was undefeated in the shot put, and won the high jump 3 years in a row in college This is just my take. Love to watch your videos btw
It's funny because the mavs didn't win because or dirk. They won because lebron and the heat didn't know their roles yet. Heat and lebron lost that series more than the mavs won it.
My hottest take is that Jordan is still the GOAT but its not remotely close I think a large reason that LeBron gets all of hia credit is because people have watched him play and not Jordan. I do believe Jordan was literally better in every form of Basketball. Longevity is the main argument. But when i look ar what LeBron did. It was nothing Jordan couldn't had he never retired and missed 3 year's of Basketball. For MJ to replicate all of LBJ's current totals. This woud need to be his averages through another 448 games: 19.4 PPG 10.5 RPG 12.4 APG 0.5 BPG You might look at that like well you proved our point LeBron fans. But when MJ played at point guard, he averaged a triple double. Yeah he probably still wont catch him in assists or rebounds. But he would smash that point total. You can also watch tapes of MJ scoring 50 after his 2nd retirement with the Wizards. Not to mention you look at his defensive resume. He was just better. Not to mention also sustaned all of his success with a single team. This isnt for me to say MJ never got help. Anyone needs help to win a Ring. But even when those Bulls were trash. He still showed up. Averaging over 37 points a game. People think its because everyone was a bum. But thats just not true. Yeah the talent was down in the overall league but thats just natural progression. You cant look at a guy who played half a century ago and expect him to be as good as someone today with todays technology. He also did that without 3s being prevalent. My point is, there's nothing LeBron does or did that Jordan couldn't. And Jordan can do things LeBron couldn't. You want him to average a triple double? Put him at PG. You want him to be the best scorer literally ever? Put the ball in his hands. Want to see an All Defense and DPOY defender at guard? Put him on the court. The main thing ill say for why its not close. Every reason LeBron fans come with to go against Jordan are what ifs. Every single Jordan argument is established. All the LeBron arguments are like what if MJ played today and Bron played in the 90s? What if MJ played on the 2000s Cavs? What if MJ and Bron went head to head? What if MJ stats werent padded? Not that those are bad arguments. But when you look that Jordan played 8 less seasons i believe the Bron and still has more MVPS, Scoring Titles, DPOYs, LOBs, FMVPs by a combined 15. You dont even need to use what ifs to recgonize MJ did more. If you do. Now you take the what if the Pistons didnt break his ribs? What if he didn't retire? The likely answer is he wins another 2 rings and 1 mvp at least. Probably more to be honest. And if MJ had those 8+ Rings and 6+ MVPs then I think no one debates MJ is better. Another point is that MJ was just so so ahead of his time. Like im dead serious when I say MJ would still average 30 today even with his 90s technology. You can look at his athleticism. He would be moving like Fox. He would be driving like Ja. He would be stealing like Daniels. He would be shooting mid range like prime Derozan. He would be shooting 3s probably at a Luka type clip. And you might be like how do you know that? Well you can look at the highlights. MJ was doing the reverse lay ups and dunks we see a modern ja do. He was shooting the middys like Derozan was. Etc.. And no one else really was doing the things Jordan did like at all. With LeBron in his era, you have Steph who is a different player but dominated just as much if not more then LeBron. Winning unanimous mvp. 4 rings in 8 years. Being the leader of the greatest team ever made. If your a fan of either of them. I wanna say please watch some MJ games. You'll see how ahead he was. How he looked like a genuine superstar today who time traveled to the 90s.
I don’t understand your first take at all…I can see how maybe it saved Dirks career but what do you mean by the league not treating Europeans the same if it weren’t for Dirk winning in 2011? As far as I’m concerned the NBA is not DEI, so merit and skill have always been the benchmark for anyone. If Dirk lost in 2011, are you saying that Europeans after him like Nikola Luka Giannis ETC. wouldn’t be viewed the same?
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Andrew your George Mikan take is good but why did you not put Mikan in your top 25. Might as well have taken Bill Russell out of the top 15 if you were comparing eras like that.
7:48 “couldn’t of said it better myself” as if bro didn’t say it himself
couldn't have*
@@VitorBredow1107 bro shut up
Peak wade was a monster but there’s no way in hell i would take him over Kobe.
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Here's the case for Hakeem as number 4 on the list: Greatest all-around center in NBA history, greatest defender in NBA history, 2 rings, 2 DPOYs, All-time blocks leader, 7th in steals all-time, Greatest Footwork in NBA history, most skilled Post player in NBA history, the deepest bag in Center history, and second to Michael Jordan in the 90s.
Jokic is more skilled
On the offensive side, not the defensive side. AT ALL! Jokic was a little better offensively, but he doesn't have the scoring ability and the footwork than the Dream has. In terms of defense, I don;t even have to say anything.
bill was a better defender, and hakeem would be 3rd if blocks counted back then
@@adrianstrong4345 I’d argue Jokic was A LOT better offensively but yeah obviously on defense it’s not close either
Jokic is a good amount better than hakeem at offense because of the assists and 3 level scoring but hakeems scoring especially in the post was the best ever 2nd to kareem. Hakeem literally destroyed a prime MVP David Robinson in the playoffs too.
As for the Dwade take, the first series after 2006 championship in 2007 against Chicago he didn't play well. Also you can pick some series after the 2011 season. If you want to give credence to the fact he's taking a back seat to LeBron or that he's hurt, for whatever reason it's not the same Wade.
D wade 2014 stats (Elimination game) 11pts 3assists 33% and u said we wouldn't find any elimination game where he played bad so i don't wanna here that he was old or any other excuse.
Everybody has bad games idaf if it’s game 1 or 7
2014? So when he was playing with Bron, in a lesser role, and coming off injuries? Ok lil bro
One game Kobe had a lot
DWade was so far past his prime in 2014 due to the knee injuries. I mean fair enough, bad elimination game from Wade but I really only focus on like 2004-2011 Wade
No excuses
Andrew uses an excuse
Hot take: John Stockton is the most underrated defender of all time. He isn't a lockdown on ball defender, yes. But he is the only player I've seen disrupt passing lanes better than Spurs Kawhi.
If you watch an uncut 90's Jazz game, you will be surprised at how well he reads opposing offenses.
Nah, he is if anything overrated because of his high steals numbers. Not that he is a bad defender, he is great, especially for a point guard. But people overvalue counting stats.
@@jaketerpening3284Do you watch full 90s jazz games. Because it seems you proved his point. I haven't heard a soul credit Stocktons defense as good just because hes small and white. The reason he's a good defender is due to the fact he genuinely has some of the best vision ever along with being also more athletic then people credit allowing him to have energy to play defense.
@@4u2nvHock3y I'm not sure you are interpreting my comment correctly. I am mostly in agreement with OP about Stockton's ability on defense, but I feel like the community perception on him is higher than he earns because of good counting stats. Could just be the circles I run in though.
We done with the 90s John Stockton was trashhhhhhh. A 5th grader now could give him 80, his defense is overrated his stats was inflated yet yall still hug his meat like hop off curry, guy Rodger’s and bill Sherman way better we done with the 90s we done with John stocken who’s the worst passer and defender in nba history, not even top 100 all time
We done with the 90s John Stockton was trashhhhhhh. A 5th grader now could give him 80, his defense is overrated his stats was inflated yet yall still hug his meat like hop off curry, guy Rodger’s and bill Sherman way better we done with the 90s we done with John stocken who’s the worst passer and defender in nba history, not even top 100 all time
DWade over kobe is wild
Yeah i get this guys point that stat wise theyre not too different. But when you look at accomplishments and clutch, Kobe is better. Kobe also played in the harder era and won 2 rings without a top 10 player
@@ImTitan16 He literally said it's not about career it's about peak ability 🤦♂
Not sure if I agree with the Mikan take, but to add on the topic: he was the comissioner in the ABA who introduced the 3 point line. There are some sources of a quote of him saying this would help small players and level the field so the game wouldn't be striclty dominated by bigs.
Now, other leagues did have it before the ABA, but the league was credited with its popularization due to being the 2nd biggest one, only behind the NBA. Just 3 years after the merge (1979) the NBA addopted the 3 point line.
Again, not sure about GOAT, but I do think he is the most influential player ever.
@@fuinha9355 exactly, glad you added that context to what I brought up. The three point line, the multi colored ball. Made a bunch of iconic changes in the ABA
With Mikan he played 7 years in the league which was split by 6 years one year of retirement and 1 final year
Issue with comparing basketball and baseball is that basketball has evolved a lot more as a sport rules-wise. When Mikan first played, you didn't have to dribble, when Ruth played, home runs were still hard (arguably harder) to hit than they are present day.
Dwade had a terrible elimination game
• Points: 6
• Field Goals: 2-of-10 (20%)
• Three-Point Shooting: 0-of-4
• Free Throws: 2-of-2
• Rebounds: 4
• Assists: 4
Game 6 2011 Finals
Choking and the Mavs win the championship
I got a hot take fo you: Hakeem Olajuwon is a Top 4 player in NBA history.
Yourw hilarious!
@Ray-hy9co I'm not joking. At his peak, he was a 2-time defensive player of the year who won back-to-back titles in Jordan's dismissal, had one of, if not the greatest footwork period in NBA history, and was without a doubt the greatest TWO-WAY player in league history.
You can argue he is the greatest defender in NBA history period. Elite on both the interior and perimeter, he is the all-time leader in blocks, and 7th in steals. I think that he is a Top-4 Talent in NBA history.
@@adrianstrong4345he had one of the best peaks of all time and by that I mean 3 season stretch. But he won 2 titles in one of the weakest times in nba history. And “having arguably the best footwork” in nba history does not make someone a top 5 player ever. Talking about steals and blocks, John Stockton has the most assists and steals of all time, so I’d like to know where he ranks all time for you. And sure let’s say he’s the best 2 way player of all time, what does he have to show for it? He has a singular MVP (again in the absence of Jordan) and the only time he was ever able to lead a team to the promised land was in a weak NBA. Hakeem also has a plethora of playoff chokes and fails as well which shouldn’t go unnoticed. I have Hakeem just outside my top ten which I think is a respectable placement
Nevertheless, I respect the hot take
Big Fan here,
Respectfully i disagree about the Wade > Kobe Take. You showed Wade and Kobe's numbers in 2006 and 2010 and Kobe had better numbers than Wade. In 2006 when they were both in their primes, Kobe averaged more points than Wade and was barely behind him on assists and rebounds. Kobe also had a certain clutch factor and Mentalitity that allowed him to win in the playoffs in 2009 and 2010 by himself which Wade couldn't do withont Lebron or Shaq. Wade also couldn't take charge and lead a team like Kobe could, which is an important skill if you want to win when it really matters.
Wade was better than Shaq when they won the chip
Its not that Wade was better. Its that Wade had a better peak. Stat wise its true. But I mean the quality of ball from Kobe was still higher. He had just been placed in overall tougher spots
Actually kobe had no help in his prime 2009 and 2010 is not kobe 100% kobe prime maybe the most matured kobe but 2005-2008 is the black mamba peak they got short in 2008 finals because some injuries of his teammate and gasol still soft that time thats why he bump gasol in Olympics.
The problem with mikan is that the rules were too different to rank him but he should still get respect. Honestly modern basketball started in 1980 when the 3 point line was introduced
Regarding Mikan - if you're a Lakers fan, you've got to admit that he's one of the greatest Lakers of all time if you want to count to 17 rings. This isn't to say he's the 3rd greatest player to ever play for them (LeBron is a better basketball player all time than he has been as a Laker), but as far as franchise legacy goes he's only behind Magic and Kobe. Kareem and Shaq round out 4 & 5. Certainly higher than West, Baylor, Chamberlain, Worthy, LeBron, etc.
2:58 - Shai Gilgeous is Canadian buddy.
Lmao
8:25 Game 3 of the 2013 First Round against the Bucks
Yo first Wsp Andrew, been a fan for a few years now, what’s ur opinion on Joe Johnson cuz I feel like my hot take would be bro was one of the most underrated players of all time and should be a hall of famer.
@@screamingbanana4391 Joe was a bucket for sure but honestly not much else. Never finished top 10 in MVP, 1x all-nba. No real iconic playoff moments. Never made an NBA Finals. Idk man just hard to put that kind of resume in the HOF
@ I see what you’re saying but that said he carried a team to the playoffs 5 years in a row when all he really had was Josh Smith and Al horford, he was the definition of consistent with great longevity. The guy changed the culture in Atlanta who had been awful and considered a dumpster franchise for a long time up to that point and dragged them into the playoffs a ton of times. The guy may never have been a top mvp finished or title winner but his prime years did land in the prime of guys like Kobe, Bron, Duncan, tmac, Wade, cp3, Dirk ect and never really got the fortune of playing with a championship team till later in his career. Are we going to consider Dame (assuming he doesn’t win anything in Milwaukee) “just a bucket” after he retires?
Hes in a similar boat to Otto Graham in the NFL. Due dominated his era, and revolutionized the position before we even really new what it was. The only knock on either of them is a serious lack of competition, but thats not their fault.
ur wade over kobe argument is the fact he can 'hang' with kobe and ur saying he won head-head only by 2 games despite having the better team for most of the decade, u give kobe prime bron and bosh and u CANNOT tell me he aint winnig more than 2! like he won 2 with gasol cmon now, hats off to dwade that in his prime he could 'hang' with kobe and that shows his greatness but kobes numbers/eye test he was just better - by having to compare 1 player to another to bring someone up is great it shows they can hang with soem of the goats but the fact u have to compare them to someine shows that person is on another level. mj debates are abt his greatness but lebron debates are abt how he stacks up vs mj... not tryna bring the goat debate into it but just an example of comparison.
Yeah he played in the stone age and its hard to compare him to other greats but I somewhat agree with you, George Mikan did a lot for his time and was super influential, should definitely mention him in all time discussions for that alone.
You’re right
The 2011 helped as a huge case in Dirk’s legacy big time
The dwade take dosent make sense he needed shaq or lebron to win a chip.
I don't agree with his dwade take, but saying he needed Shaq in 2006 is kind of ridiculous
Shaq was second in mvp his first season on the heat and Wade wouldn’t have won without him
@@WillZelek True, but in that Finals series, Shaq had statistically one of if not his worst playoff series ever. He was literally getting benched in the elimination games. Dwade deserved that Finals mvp by an enormous margin.
If he was so good he would have done it outside of his years with Shaq and lebron
Like Kobe did. He won without Shaq.
DWADE WAS HIM in 2006!!!
2001 playoffs Kobe > 2006 playoffs Wade. You can look up the stats for yourself
Nah man. 11 rings is the easiest GOAT case to argue for. You play to win the game.
Well its hard to value success when it was so much easier to have success when he played. For 1, there were just 8 teams compared to the 30 today. 2nd there was just also less talent by a long shot seeing as how it was the start of the NBA at the time. Bill dominated with his size and athletisism. Not really his pure basketball skills. This isnt to say that means Russell didnt have an amazing career that is one of the greatest ever. Its just like the difference between
a high school kid dominating a high school basketball game and then an nba player dominating an nba game. When there are hs kids who drop insane stats in those games you won't hear people saying hes better then LeBron. But when Luka drops 73 in the NBA the world goes wild. Its the same thing. I believe the best goat case is still Kareem by far. As much of a Kareem hater this man is for saying he played against pure plumbers. That just maybe because it was basically impossible for the sport to develop in the 70s. It just so happened Kareem developed Basketball and how to play all on his own. No internet. None of that. He just learned with his own experience how to adapt and take over the league. He has 5 rings. 6 mvps. 2 fmvps. x11 all defense. x15 all nba x19 all star not to mention averaged a double double throughout his entire career. Leads the league all time in 2pt field goals and just genuinely had one of the longest careers at the top.
@@4u2nvHock3y While you did need objectively fewer wins, the low team count meant the top talent was pretty stacked on top teams, so it's not like having 1/3 of the teams means it was 3 times easier.
It would be one thing if he wasn't basically always winning, but you can only beat the competition ahead of you, and Bill won 11 of his 13 seasons with one of his 2 losses being due to him being injured in the finals.
Bill really didn't have overwhelming size, but regardless I don't think size and athleticism should count against a player. He was also very smart about the game, as he managed to operate as a player coach.
A lot of the awards that Kareem had weren't even invented when Bill was playing, but if you ask anyone what is the most valuable award in Basketball, they are gonna go with a championship. Every other player you need to make some sort of subjective argument for and thus you can technically leave them out of the discussion. Bill Russell has the most objective case and thus must be in the conversation, even if it's trying to make an excuse as to why he won so much.
Kobe wins 3 with Shaq: KOBE NEEDED SHAQ !!
Wade wins 2 with bron : he won without bron !!
Kobe wins 2 without shaq : YEA BUT 06!!!
1. True
2. True
3. Basically, yes. I do agree for the most part.
4. Dolph Schayes?!! Ed Mcauley?!!!!! Come on now.
i’ve been waiting for this vid for a while. thank you👍
🤝🤝 and did it live up to the hype for you?
@@AndrewFenichelyes it did. i agree with the
d wade take only because kobe’s prime wasn’t much better then his first few and last few seasons.
A couple days ago I told my family members that I think peak Jokic is better than Peak Kobe. I even made a slideshow presentation and now I have them all questioning everything (they grew up with Kobe obv)
Peak jokic isn’t better than peak Kobe, sorry
@@reptileloverreptile-vt6fdthe stats say so. Kobe is insanely inefficient
@@reptileloverreptile-vt6fd statistically beats Kobe in everything except scoring. I understand there’s a nostalgic factor for a lot of people but in terms of stats and overall effectiveness on the court Jokic wins
The problem with wades peak is it just didn’t last very long. Many people would say tmac is better than some prime legends to but availability is an underrated aspect of the game. Sure guys like Kawhi and bill walton were great but I’m not sure the rank super high due to longevity. Like we can all fantasize about d-rose but there is a reason he might not be a hall of famer despite being the youngest mvp of all time. That’s one of the greatest aspects about Jokic and Lebron is how available they are. That’s why I think Lebron is the GOAT. My point is Kobe’s peak and dominance lasted longer than wades which holds more weight to me.
And hes using an injured finals, and 2 series against the 2 best defenses of that era and probably the 2 best of all time excluding the 60s Celtics to downplay Kobe lmao. LeBron against the 08 Celtics was worse than Kobe was against them. Also the 04 lakers roster was trash with no depth and a bunch of injuries.
7:26 Bro this is u fair because in 2010, kobe faced all 50 win teams to get to the finals. The east was alot weaker than the west. Swap thier seasons and kobes doing better
SGA is not a european though
finally, i found a comment that said that as SGA is from Canada
james wiseman taken second wasn’t a bad pick, he just got no minutes to develop in the nba his rookie seasons cause he was on a near playoff contention team already. lamelo probably would be a much worse player if he was taken by golden state because no shot he’s getting put in over curry.
People sleep on how good prime D Wade was! 🔥
Geaorge mikan today would be like marvin bagely
He's right. I would rather have Peak wade than Kobe. He was the better playmaker and was right there with Kobe when talking about scoring.
Obviously, you r a “megaheatfan”
the name suits you
No
he was NOT right there in terms of scoring but yeah he was a better at pm
@@Copiium.. He was still getting his buckets though
The return of the king
Underrating Scottie like that is mad. I know he has now proven he has no #1 option material in him but thats a bit too far lol
Bob Cousy is the best all around pg in nba history. Elite athleticism, A sniper, 8x assist champion, lockdown defender and could guard every position. I don’t even think it’s a hot take it’s just factual
How can you be a sniper if the 3 point line didn’t exist
@@Cod307gr8 watch the tape bud. That brother was a sniper
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He did not have elite athleticism, he's good but no, that goes to Chris Paul, stop playing.
@@adrianstrong4345 best player in my lifetime. You just had to be there. He’s your favorite players favorite player
In 2013 against the bucks Dwyane averaged 13.7 on 37 percent field goal shooting, in the next series against Chicago he averaged 12.6
still better than kobe
He’s talking more prime wade
@@kian8258 he was 30 and finished too 10 in mvp
@@JoshHartFitnessOfficial shit fairs I forgot he was 23 his first chip 😭
@@pepperoni108hell no
I can understand the Wade take even if I do slightly disagree but you can say that at his peak he’s the second best shooting guard because that should be ranked on their total career, if you want to say he had the second best shooting guard peak sure but putting it that way doesn’t make sense also if we’re being real peak Harden should be in that conversation even with the playoff choking
haha yeah peak Kobe vs peak Harden vs peak Wade is a fun debate. Honestly throw in Jerry West there too
To all the young people who always talk about the plumber era, just remember they had 2 jobs because the NBA didn't pay enough to live on then. They were all of the best players coming out of college just like today. It is naive to think that today's players are a that much better talent than players like Wilt or Mikan. They didn't. Have the opportunity to just concentrate on basketball then and if they could have and all of the stats kept today would have been kept then you wouldn't be as ignorant in your arguments
If anything today era proves the old heads right. Bird is Luka and Jokic in 1 but also he was a great defender. He was even a clutch defender. How many guys do we ever describe as a clutch defender?
Now let’s imagine a guy with the body of a young shaq and the game of a prime wade and what do you get? Giannis!!!! He’s a freak!!! Now imagine giving him a couple more inches in height, 30 more pounds, a great post game and the passing ability of Jokic and what would we get? Wilt chamberlain. Even as an older nba player he was blocking Kareem’s sky hook.
Bro said we all unanimously agree babe Ruth is the goat. Me and many other ppl have Willie mays. Some have Barry bonds, some have Hank Aaron, some have Ted Williams
@@LBSports ok fine and some people now argue Ohtani. My point is that all of those guys you mentioned played in the older era and baseball fans give them credit but NBA fans never mention Mikan
@@AndrewFenichelbaseball had already become a American icon it had time to develop and grow its talent pool, basketball was just getting started professionally when mikan played
@@AndrewFenichelIt’s because not to much credit is given to guys that played in the 50s people struggle enough to give bill Russell GOAT status. Because if we are just going by pure nba accolades bill russell wipes the floor with pretty much everyone. 11 titles and 5 mvps is pretty insane. Not to mention if DPOY had existed in Russell’s time he’d be the defensive player of the year every year. Just imagine a resume of 11 titles 9 dpoys 8 finals mvps and 5 mvps that’s literally the greatest player ever.
even wade would call u crazy for that take…
This guy is an idiot
Wade better than kobrick
Make a video reacting to other people’s NBA hot takes
Did that a couple months ago! Check it out, planning on doing it again soon
Great video! Keep up the work and this channel will take off.
Appreciate that man, slow grind is the best grind
in 2004 in Wade's first playoffs series he put up 15.4 pts, 4.0 Reb, 5.6 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.1 BLK on 42.4% from the FG but these are slight decreases because he is a rookie still i guess he is bad
First off, DWade had a 24% usage rate, meaning that he barely had the ball for a superstar. To put that into perspective, three other dudes had the same, if not, greater usage than him (Caron Butler, Eddie Jones, Lamar Odom). Second of all, Lamar Odom had more touches and was the top scorer for the Miami Heat at the time. The Heat's philosophy has always been seniority and unless you prove your worth, you not getting the most touches. So how are you supposed to drop 20+ PTS a game with the same amount of touches as someone like Austin Reaves + Dalton Knecht on the Lakers?
@@marcstevenbalaoro7952 he played 38.5 minutes a game and shot only 42.5% from the FG in 38.5 minutes he can do more then just 15 PTS also Dwyane still had the ball more then anyone on the heat
@SamOBrien-mr7jk Not true. According to usage, Lamar Odom had the ball more than DWade.
@SamOBrien-mr7jk Again, this doesn't address that he had the ball as much as a third option. It's like expecting Jrue Holiday on the Bucks to drop 20 a game with Giannis and Middleton having the ball.
@@marcstevenbalaoro7952 im not saying he is suppose to drop 20 i'm i think i expect a little more mustard on my hot dog when your putting up 15 pts and only 42.4% from the FG and Dwyane's usage was 24.7% Lamar Odom's was 24.1% so you are wrong
I wholeheartedly agree with peak Wade over Kobe !! dwade was smaller and made the game look EASIER kobe was taller and he always struggling to shoot efficiently
Hot take is an nfl take but josh allen winning mvp over lamar is like embiid winning over jokic in 2023
I think it’s a crime that CP3 & Kobe didn’t play together. That would be the greatest what if ever.
That’s my hot take.
they wouldnt of won a ring
@@devinjones6670 Agree but please learn how to write.
Prime wade should’ve won mvp
Derrick Rose could've easily been the greatest PG ever and a top 5 player ever, if it wasn't for injuries.
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Prime d wade was my fav of all time
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What's the worst hot take you've heard drew
oh man where to start lol. Prob Metta World Peace saying he has Kyrie over LeBron all-time?\
Ngl I didn’t see a blazers player
Luka over Shai rn is insane, let alone Wemby over Shai. What’s your deal w/ SGA fr?
3:32 putting the hardest part
Hot take, Bill Russell is still and will always be the easiest player to argue as the Greatest of All Time. If he’s not top 3 the list is wrong
Kobe > D-Wade easy
This man is a fool lol
Wade is better than kobrick overrated Bryant
@@darkballerz no
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Kobe was a way better shooter in the midrange and from 3, a much better man-on-man defender, and when both took 27+ shots in their respective primes (Kobe from 03-10, Wade from 05-11), Kobe averaged more points (39.6 to 38.3), proving that he is the better volume scorer. And playoff success and accolades are commonly used as a measure to prove who the better player is, it's not fair at all to exclude them
Buddy Hield
The East was soft af and Wade still managed to struggle over there. He isn’t Kobe. Every year the West was a gauntlet and Kobe had way more success even despite all of that
I don't agree with the wade Kobe one because by the end of the season Kobe usually played hurt or had obvious undisclosed injuries he made no excuses also Kobe was a great defensive player
Wade over Kobe I agree if we put a squad around him after the 06 this would know more
this is my hot take
not saying kyrie is a better player than curry but why when steph and kyrie play each other kyrie basically plays better then curry every time it's like kyrie is curry's kryptonite
Well, Curry's knees are made of glass, you could say he's Curry's kryptonite.
This
We also need to add harden into this. Not that harden always outplays him but harden has always done more with less talent and can actually play the point just like kyrie.
Nobody wants to call it like it is and that’s curry is an undersized 2 being hidden at the 1. He doesn’t give any noticeable pg qualities, he just shoots really damn good. Imagine a power forward that couldn’t rebound that good, couldn’t block shots that good, didn’t set picks that good and didn’t have a post game but could shoot it lights out. Is he really a power forward or just a 2guard listed as a 4?
Kyrie outplays harden because he brings more tangibles to the game compared to curry being a phenomenal shooter and honestly kyrie isn’t too far off of a shooter than curry. Yeah harden is second all time in 3s made but I’m taking kyrie over harden for a 3 if my life depended on it.
@@joejett5084harden was a #1 option and curry playmakes arguably with his gravity also he has great handles another pg quality
@ any great player has “gravity.” Shaq had gravity, chamberlain had gravity, jordan had gravity, Chris Paul has gravity, Jokic has gravity, harden has gravity, Westbrook has gravity. “Gravity” isn’t saying much.
@ no shit but curry has 3 point gravity which gives an absurd amount of inside spacing for the warriors to operate that combined with his off all movement allows off ball play making it so he can easily draw doubles allowing for easy passes and layups. He definitely isn’t a traditional pg more of combo guard if anything
Last one is purely stupid because Baseball was at a completely different stage then basketball....been around longer and more money insentive than basketball
Here's my hot takes
1. At their respective peaks, KD > Duncan
2. Wemby is already a top 10 center of all time based on ability
3. Embiid clears Hakeem
4. Kyrie has more aura than Jordan
1. I honestly agree
2. On ability, yeah
3. Ok slow your horses, this is a bad take
4. Don’t agree but I see where you’re coming from
Good video but the royalty free music is so painful. It’s WAY too loud and distracting
For your draft take I agree for the example but disagree in general. Getting HOFers in the second round or getting a generational prospect is luck. I think consistently nailing that lottery pick or consistently finding steals is what a good scouting department can do. You don’t have to be 100%, but you cannot tell me that the main difference between OKC and WSH draft pick’s talent is luck.
You dont know anything about basketball if you say DWade is better than Kobe in their primes
Interesting takes all around. I don’t think the Dirk one is really that hot a take though. Outside of revisionist history, or people too young to actually remember that era, that’s exactly the way he was perceived until 2011.
Prime Harden > Prime D wade/Kobe
My hot take 🔥:
Hakeem clears Curry and is the 3rd best center of all time
1:44 in my opinion that series is one of the most bland ant signs of the refs stepping in
You said shotclock was George mikan but your wrong wilt was the reason.
I think prime 2019 harden was 2nd best prime sg
Here’s a couple:
Although great, Magic Johnson was not better than Bird.
Kobe and Shaq were not as good as most people think.
Steph was the best player on the Warriors even when KD was there.
Love the Bird and Steph ones, and honestly I don’t even think those are hot takes
@@AndrewFenichelso many tv personalities have Magic around #3 or 4 all time and Bird in the 7-12 range. Like people forget that Bird was considered better for most of their career.
Hot take: Kobe is actually way way overrated.
People were definitely not as good in the 40s and 50s George Mikan if he played now would probable be an average basketball player
Hear me out,best of all time goes: wilt -1, lebron -2, Tim Duncan -3
My hot take is CP3 in his prime is the 2nd best PG of all time over Jerry over Steph Nash Kidd and yes Stockton too
Do I need to clean my ears, or does the sound suck?
I completely disagree with the dwade take. Dwade had clear limations with his outside shot. Kobe much more elite three level scorer. I can even argue kobe was the better defender in his prime . Dwade was closer to Paul Pierce in my eyes watching back then kobe . Which is still great Pierce 11 time all star and finals mvp
I mean dude how specific to you have to get to defend a player? Your asking us to name a situation where Dwayne Wade has played bad in an elimination playoff game from an 8 year span from 04-11. And there are still games where he didnt perform.
04-05 R1 Game 7 vs Pistons: 43 minutes 20p 1r 4a 35% FG 0% 3PT.
06-07 R1 Game 4 vs Bulls: 45 minutes 24p 5r 10a 33% FG
10-11 R4 Game 6 vs Mavs: 41 minutes 18p 8r 6a 37% FG.
I mean thats 3 Elimination games out of the 7 from 2004-2011 where he objectively played bad. Not to mention hes basically clocking 45 minutes in all of them. I didnt even go and check other games that were crucial wins in the playoffs because quite frankly its dumb annoying to find all the stats calculate all the percentages and type them in. At least from the data i got though that you asked for, it seems dwade really wasnt all that and was just a guy in most cases playing 45+ minutes and getting 20+ shots up. I understand your argument but no. Kobe is still the 3rd greatest player ever. And had a much better prime then Wade's
And i already know if anyone sees this comment they will point the finger at me saying in those 3 games he still averaged 20.6 ppg 4.7 rpg 6.7 apg but like again look at the amount of minutes he played in each of thkse games. Not to mention shot under 40% in all of them.
My hottest take that I truly believe in is that Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT
blazing hot lol. just burnt my screen
I don’t understand how you can have 4 MVPs 2 NBA Finals wins average 50 in a season have 25 rebounds per game in a season and not be considered a GOAT. People also don’t understand that he still did play against insanely good players. He had to play against a team with 7 HOF and in every single game he played against Bill Russel he still dominated him. On top of this he was a freak athlete. Imagine a person who is 7’1 with a 48 inch vertical, he ran track in college, was undefeated in the shot put, and won the high jump 3 years in a row in college
This is just my take. Love to watch your videos btw
@@theresacunnane1428its just his competition
Hot Take: Steph Curry is better than Magic Johnson all time
Cold
What’s your worst hot takes
Back in middle school I thought Anthony Davis would be a bust in the 2012 NBA Draft. Thats a pretty bad one
And he turned out to be a superstar
mine would be I thought Michal Jorden was fake
@ by the way I’ve watched all your shorts 2 times your a great TH-camr keep doing your work I love your hot takes
@Theballin_goats2 haha appreciate that man, means a lot
Your the only TH-camr that’s acknowledged my comments that’s a first
Kobe > D Wade
Peak Kobe over Peak Wade. You are clearly a Kobe hater and that’s okay no need to hide your true colors.
It's funny because the mavs didn't win because or dirk. They won because lebron and the heat didn't know their roles yet. Heat and lebron lost that series more than the mavs won it.
I need a petition to stop this guys TH-cam plz he’s clueless af
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Dirk is a top 12 player of all time. Yeah I said it.
1 ring 1 mvp ur delusional buddy and he sucked on defense.
@Ray-hy9co You sound like a supreme Bronny glazer.
My hottest take is that Jordan is still the GOAT but its not remotely close
I think a large reason that LeBron gets all of hia credit is because people have watched him play and not Jordan. I do believe Jordan was literally better in every form of Basketball.
Longevity is the main argument. But when i look ar what LeBron did. It was nothing Jordan couldn't had he never retired and missed 3 year's of Basketball. For MJ to replicate all of LBJ's current totals. This woud need to be his averages through another 448 games:
19.4 PPG
10.5 RPG
12.4 APG
0.5 BPG
You might look at that like well you proved our point LeBron fans. But when MJ played at point guard, he averaged a triple double. Yeah he probably still wont catch him in assists or rebounds. But he would smash that point total. You can also watch tapes of MJ scoring 50 after his 2nd retirement with the Wizards. Not to mention you look at his defensive resume. He was just better. Not to mention also sustaned all of his success with a single team. This isnt for me to say MJ never got help. Anyone needs help to win a Ring. But even when those Bulls were trash. He still showed up. Averaging over 37 points a game. People think its because everyone was a bum. But thats just not true. Yeah the talent was down in the overall league but thats just natural progression. You cant look at a guy who played half a century ago and expect him to be as good as someone today with todays technology. He also did that without 3s being prevalent.
My point is, there's nothing LeBron does or did that Jordan couldn't. And Jordan can do things LeBron couldn't. You want him to average a triple double? Put him at PG. You want him to be the best scorer literally ever? Put the ball in his hands. Want to see an All Defense and DPOY defender at guard? Put him on the court.
The main thing ill say for why its not close. Every reason LeBron fans come with to go against Jordan are what ifs. Every single Jordan argument is established. All the LeBron arguments are like what if MJ played today and Bron played in the 90s? What if MJ played on the 2000s Cavs? What if MJ and Bron went head to head? What if MJ stats werent padded?
Not that those are bad arguments. But when you look that Jordan played 8 less seasons i believe the Bron and still has more MVPS, Scoring Titles, DPOYs, LOBs, FMVPs by a combined 15. You dont even need to use what ifs to recgonize MJ did more. If you do. Now you take the what if the Pistons didnt break his ribs? What if he didn't retire? The likely answer is he wins another 2 rings and 1 mvp at least. Probably more to be honest. And if MJ had those 8+ Rings and 6+ MVPs then I think no one debates MJ is better.
Another point is that MJ was just so so ahead of his time. Like im dead serious when I say MJ would still average 30 today even with his 90s technology. You can look at his athleticism. He would be moving like Fox. He would be driving like Ja. He would be stealing like Daniels. He would be shooting mid range like prime Derozan. He would be shooting 3s probably at a Luka type clip. And you might be like how do you know that? Well you can look at the highlights. MJ was doing the reverse lay ups and dunks we see a modern ja do. He was shooting the middys like Derozan was. Etc.. And no one else really was doing the things Jordan did like at all. With LeBron in his era, you have Steph who is a different player but dominated just as much if not more then LeBron. Winning unanimous mvp. 4 rings in 8 years. Being the leader of the greatest team ever made.
If your a fan of either of them. I wanna say please watch some MJ games. You'll see how ahead he was. How he looked like a genuine superstar today who time traveled to the 90s.
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I don’t understand your first take at all…I can see how maybe it saved Dirks career but what do you mean by the league not treating Europeans the same if it weren’t for Dirk winning in 2011? As far as I’m concerned the NBA is not DEI, so merit and skill have always been the benchmark for anyone. If Dirk lost in 2011, are you saying that Europeans after him like Nikola Luka Giannis ETC. wouldn’t be viewed the same?