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Remember when Star Trek was smartly written by grown men who actually experienced the world?
Or how about the old days, when Trek was written by actual professional science fiction writers?
And the actors had combat experience or had at least served in the reserves.
Not even Pepperidge Farms remembers that anymore.
@@MichaelD6287 I’d even settle for the days when a lot of them had previously written Westerns.
And women, including D. C. Fontana...... In the Sixties !
If they magically turned into Vulcans, without the mental discipline, they'd basically be out of control Romulans.
My thoughts exactly
Ehhh, more like the Vulcans that were exposed to Trellium.
This is what I was about to type.
@@UltraGalaxyifythe point is they wouldn't be stereotypical Vulcans.
More like Romulans with violent Schizophrenia. It would make Romulans look calm, rational & reasonable.
It's not Star Trek, it's Big Bang Theory in space.
That's an egregious insult to Big Bang Theory, which is one of the best sitcoms of all time. I will die on this hill.
@@PoolKid75 It was fun for the first few seasons then it degraded in quality and turned into the hybrid of Two and a Half Men and How I Met Your Mother (and maybe Friends)
@PoolKid75 better choose a burial plot as that show sucked
Yeah Young Sheldon is the superior comedy and show, blows Big Bang Theory away. I wonder what the ratings are for this spectacle, a promising Star Trek concept wasted.
@@PoolKid75 but that thing went down hill after it became a feminist bait n switch....you didn't notice it happen??
The original show inspired people to be doctors and engineers. Nu trek inspires people to be tik tokkers.
Tik Tok Tomalak, if you include the pointed ears.
😂@@All2Meme
The reason is simple:
Maturity is declining. It’s everywhere. Modern entertainment promotes it.
That song and dance episode! I literally couldn't watch it. Turned it off as soon as I realised what was happening.
Same with Doctor Who suddenly becoming a musical. Byeee!
Some people have compared our domesticated pets and livestock to their wild cousins and described the difference as domestication resulting in perpetual adolescence. I think it is surprisingly common in people to expect to be cared for by somebody or some thing.
Intelligent writing in movies & TV is declining, too...
Modern education demands it. Who knew that Idiocracy would became a documentary on the western world.
As does social media. In fact that's the only thing it does promote.
The reason old men are contrarian is because they have experience to make comparisons. NuTrek is terrible.
If such excellent writers of the past are considered contrarian, the present writing staff of the Star Trek series are a cabal of nincompoops, who think they know everything. A cabal of pretentious phonies is what they are. This is the lamest generation ever in America.
Agreed from this 63 year old Trek fan. I want science fiction, not a comedy.
And like other uses of logic they try to use it as a negative argument, or every generation dislikes the next one excuse, not this time.
This has been on purpose, an entire gen of useful...
Said it before: corpos are preparing the groundwork for their ideal future (the one after the purge) ppl won't know better so they will be happy with 1% of the quality.
@@AlwaysAudacity The term, "Contrarian" is a slang that is misplaced upon people whom, quite frankly, are smarter than this generation.
Should be a "f**k, yeah!" Emoji response available for that comment.
That’s not Pike-that’s Seinfeld’s Kramer.
More like Johnny Bravo.
You don't need to say Seinfeld's Kramer. Everyone knows who Kramer is and where he comes from.
@@PoolKid75 Thanks for the tip! Since Seinfeld went off the air a quarter of century ago I thought it would be prudent to make the cultural reference clear. I wouldn't have bothered if I knew cultural copy editors like you were selflessly patrolling the hallway.
@@cognitivedissidents4642 25 years is nothing for someone as iconic as Kramer. Plus Seinfeld is continuously in reruns.
@@PoolKid75 To be honest, if I saw just "Kramer" and not "Seinfeld's Kramer", my first thought would have been of Dustin Hoffman or Meryl Streep (from the 1979 movie, Kramer vs Kramer).
Remember that DS9 episode where Sisko, O'Brien and Odo disguised themselves as Klingons to infiltrate an important meeting and Worf had to coach them on how to behave so they wouldn't be discovered? It was a hilarious situation, but also deadly serious. As Worf himself said "It is not enough to look like a Klingon, one must act like one!". Imagine how much dramatic tension, comedy and character development would've been lost if Worf had just injected everyone with a magical serum that instantly made them Klingon. New Trek is pitiful.
Exaaaaactly.
This. DS9 is what they wish their show could be.
The thing with Worf sounds like the idea of "serious jokes" described in an episode of the anime Bakuman (a show about two guys breaking into the manga industry). A "serious joke" was described by an editor as one where there are stakes that raise tension, and something unexpected happens that puts the protagonist in an even more precarious/awkward position.. The example that the show's protagonists inadvertently end up living has them sitting in a restaurant, one booth behind their editor. For in-story reasons, they don't want him to know they're there. He is meeting with a rather prickly female writer who has been a source of trouble in the past. She's at least ten years younger than the editor, but starts coming on to him strong, asking him very pointed questions about how he sees her as a woman. While the editor is trying to somehow deflect her advances without damaging their working relationship, our two protagonists in the booth behind them are literally biting their sleeves to keep from laughing out loud and getting noticed. It was a hilarious scene, and its humor was all rooted in character and situation.
That sounds like the kind of scheme where the smallest detail can blow your cover. Like that scene in inglorious bastards where the guy counts to three with his ring finger instead of his thumb and all hell breaks loose.
One of my coworkers is totally into New Trek (he loves Classic Trek too) and is trying to get me into "Discovery" and "Picard" and I just can't do it.
There is a crisis of competence infecting most aspects of the modern world. We have unremarkable, unqualified people filling important roles in business, government and entertainment. We keep allowing it.
Allowing? Actively promoting.
DEI has taken over
we didn’t gate keep hard enough and now all our hobbies are ruined by fake fans
No one asked you
@@JoseManleywho asked you
It’s Vulcanface.
So much for overcoming racism in the future... :(
I’m triggered! 😂
HEY, THAT'S RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤨🤣
Cultural appropriation!
And when they tell you vulcanface isn't real, because vulcans aren't real, just point them at loli guro hentai and ask if what's going on there is not what it looks like because it's not real.
Kids are getting dumbed down by social media and have no standards anymore.
Yep. No one "watches-TV". It's something on while they do something else.
That's sad.
@@XariasThat's even sadder.
@Xarias That is if they even have a TV in the first place. When I made videos. People just wanted it delivered on a flash drive and not on DVD because thay didn't have a TV but thay did have a computer.
Eh, Voyager predates social media and still managed to have trash writing
Remember when everyone said this will be a good star trek show
Now you know most people are fools or paid to present an opinion.
Production values and cast are TOP NOTCH
Wish they could get at least decent writing to go with it!
It is neither good nor is it Star Trek.
With Kurtzman involved there was never a chance of it being anything other than another abomination.
Sadly, there are plenty that think it is.
The writers from STD had to go somewhere
Did their hearts move? Did their blood change color? Did they grow inner eyelids?
This is absurd, and not even in a fun way.
And here we gave Berman & Braga crap for their portrayal of various biological & evolutionary scenarios. We didn't know how good we had it.
I would call it infantilization. The equivalent of jangling keys.
The Orville = wants to be Star Trek: TNG
Star Trek (Kurtzman) = wants to be The Orville
Primary difference being the former is succeeding and the latter is not.
the orville was better trek than any of these abominations.
@@everestcomputer "Was" is indeed the correct term. Sadly, season 3 derailed from that status.
@@rccc5806 That's a shame. Is Season 3 still worth watching, or is it best to bother only with the first two seasons?
@@BryceShamwow It's different. Same production value but other core values. Not my cup of tea.
I’m so old I remember Babylon 5. That was a great sci fi show which took its viewers as smart people and wasn’t afraid to touch difficult topics like propaganda, indoctrination etc.
Best show, ever! I only saw it years later. I don't know how I missed it when it aired. I don't even remember hearing the title. It's spectacular!
Absolutely a great show. I keep wanting to get the DVDs for it, but Life keeps intervening. The Shadow War was intense. Wonderful characters, fantastic plot.
@@veganconservative1109 I know, same! If I ever find a full time job again, that is top of my list. I have a season or two, but I need the rest.
And having aliens that were actual aliens rather than just humans with stuff stuck on them. The show came out in the 90s as well, and it's wild how despite its limitations, it was still more imaginative than shows released two decades after it aired.
It aired so late at night here that I had to record it to watch later. I’ve bought the full 5 seasons on dvd. Great stuff! I have even shown it to my kids 8 and 11 at the time. They were thrilled.
As a homework assignment, my 5th grade teacher in 1967 asked for a story based on Star Trek TOS. The next day it truly was a riot of fun as we each read our story out loud. And this was the point of the assignment, what happens when a classroom of children try to tell a story based on a TV series? No one on 1967 could have imagined a future where "adult" children, and/or untalented unprofessional people are in control of a major franchise. What's happening in entertainment seems to be spreading to other areas of life, been to a car repair shop lately?
I remember writing a kind-of Star Fox fanfic back in elementary.
I turned strange new worlds off halfway through its first episode and never went back. This video validates my decision
Fans of the 1990's reject it? Those of us who lived with the original Star Trek in 1960's really reject it.
Ooh you win nostalgia I guess.
You're right. For 60's Trek for it's 3 seasons, we had:
- Spocks Brain
- Turnabout Intruder
- Elaan of Troyus
- Wolf in the Fold.
For TNG:
- the entirety of the first season.
- A bunch of episodes in the second season
- Candle Sex Ghost
- Masks
- a lot more episodes I'm too lazy to list.
@@tekneex I always liked Elaan Of Troyus.
@@GeorgeyTheApeMe too! That was the best space battle...ever! 👍
Absolutely. I was 15 when the first show aired in 1966. I barely pay attention to what is happening with Star Trek, any longer.. every so often I listen to a review. Never have seen any of the movies and TV shows of the last 20 yrs. Modern Star Trek isn't Star trek any longer. It's like a corpse still walking, but not making much sense.
Theres a lack of "sincerity" with modern Trek. Everything is always ironic or a joke. It's like the writers are afraid of making honest and sincere stories.
Postmodernism is the cancer of our culture
You have to have a sense of morality, even bad morality, to write well.
I don’t think that’s entirely fair. They do a lot of the really grisly, toneally jarring bits with poe faced sincerity.
God I wish to be in such a writers room once... to hear what they are thinking while creating such crap... Are they laughing at the viewer? Are they so dumb that they think this is good? WTF?????
That's an issue with a LOT of entertainment today. Everything has to be cynical or meta or tongue-in-cheek. It's so rare that we get stories with good people trying to do the right thing anymore.
Thankfully there is a century’s worth of film and TV and thousands of years of literature to discover and revisit.
I've actually been thinking about raiding a library or an old bookstore for some classic lit I haven't read soon my school years. Or some I never got to read.
For now. You wait though, eventually it will all be censored. They want to destroy the past. First they act like it’s bad, then eventually they sweep it under the rug.
Books keep better and can make you smarter.
I want to read Ringworld
I think the thing that irritated me the most about that scene was that suddenly his fellow crew and ACTUAL FRIENDS instantly become racists, insisting on continuously pointing out that Spock is half Vulcan. Seriously, your average Vulcan considers Spock to be Vulcan and doesn’t even think about his human Mother, but for some reason these people who are supposed to be his friends begin treating him as if he’s a lesser being just because they are physically altered? Ridiculous.
It’s not that the fans have lowered their standards, it’s that the fans with standards have left these shows behind - leaving those with distinctly lower expectations still watching.
This show is as big an abomination as STD. I long for the day Kurtzman is gone so that these obnoxious cheep knock offs can go with him.
This is not Star Trek, and it never will be.
I'd recommend, "A Quality of Mercy", "Among the Lotus Eaters", and "Under the Cloak of War". If you hate those, I'll eat my hat.
@@mikecronis You had better start eating then.
oh but its diverse and that is what trek is really all about......you know, the rainbow warriors battle cry.
I disagree.
At least this is watchable.
Kinda.
They are cheap. Cheep-cheep!
(sorry, I just had to)
Does anyone else think that Captain Pike looks less like a Vulcan and more like a Treasure Troll doll come to life?
Yes thats the first thing that came to mind when I saw him.
Yup😂
LOL 😂
Vanilla Ice, was the first thing that I thought of. 😂
@@robertsimpson4532 Vulcan Ice, maybe?
Lowering the standards of audiences so that they'll willingly accept terrible writing has been the goal of Hollywood for over a decade now. I will never lower my standards. I will gladly be "that guy".
Same. Its also a bad idea. Lowering quality is a great way to set yourself up to be overtaken by those still willing to keep high standards. Its a typical product cycle: make good product, gain customers, cheapen product, customers go elsewhere. Hollywood is stupid enough to think they're immune. Korean TV and indie games are already whooping them and itll only get worse
Fallout is other example of people lowering their standards severely.
I've recently found myself encountering a disturbing new breed of "sci-fi fan" online - young people who actually think it's "RUDE" to criticize a TV show! I've enountered several of them, so this is a real phenomenon. I find it almost unbelievable anyone could feel that way. We sci-fi fans have all spent decades criticizing and debating the shows we love, only for these idiotic children to come along and tell us it's wrong for us to judge!? THAT'S WHAT FANS OF A SHOW DO! That's what men have always done, we complain about things that are wrong. This children don't seem to be men at all.
@@Scripture-Man 👏💯💪🙏 could not agree more!!
@@Scripture-Man They corrupted the teaching of Bible and conflated "do not Judge" with let people do what ever they want and you can't question it at all.
This is why I was against Lower Decks. It has infected all the IP.
I was at a Star Trek Convention a few months ago at Burlingame, CA and when the musical episode of SNW came up, people cheered! The question to the audience was, more?? And they cheered harder! I remember looking around the room and being like WTF??? The destruction of Star Trek isn't external, it's from the "fans". Crushing thought was episodes like TNG's Drumhead will never be again. Not because it wasn't good but because people are generally too stupid to realize how good and impactful it was. I don't think I'll go to another convention. There was quite a bit of this type of "awakening to the situation" that happened to me and I don't think it will ever be good again. Conventions are now a funeral for the thing you loved, but people are just peeing on the grave while saying they're fans.
IQs have dropped off a cliff in the last two generations.. there is no longer a market.
Dumb down the masses through the media. Orwell is nodding his head right now in agreement.
I agree with your first statement, but refute the second whole heatedly.
We still exist, but those who once bullied us for loving our IPs are now in control of them.
The market has dispersed and found refuge online, in foreign media, in books, and DVDs/blueray.
If Hollywood should ever rebuild, the audience will return
The first thing that needs to go is the DEI hirings. Most of them dont' care about the lore and have never seen the shows and get hired to write this garbage. Real trek has been dead since before JJ did his films but most haven't caught on yet.
"OH, YEAH? Well I have my woman's study degree! What do YOU know!" - Says a, "Writer" of Strange New Worlds... STRANGE is right.
Hmmm, wonder if lower average IQs have anything to do with demographics in this country..?
Don't Vulcan's have blood based on copper vs the iron in humans? That polyjuice potion should have been instantly fatal.
Very good point.
The human body doesn't have nearly enough copper to replace all the iron in our blood, they would die as their blood no longer has a means of transporting oxygen. Either that or this magic juice can change iron into copper, which means the Federation has technology enough to rival the Q continuum since they can casually transmute base elements.
These writers don't understand science fiction and replace it with ungrounded fantasy.
I've noticed that too. Modern sci-Fi is just space fantasy
And space fantasy became more fantasy. Acolyte looked like Willow with some star wars props
Even fantasy used to understand how human beings work and what they aspire to be, world building seems to be a dying art. .@@darthbiscuit
@@jneilson7568 yeah the fantasy heroes were made to be as fantastical as possible.
But the modern hero is antagonistic to heroism. so modern fantasy just destroys itself
@@darthbiscuit True, it's a common thread now that heroic actions are written as soft. Thinking also about the strange idealisation of terrorists in the Winter Soldier show. It's a lot of moral greyness with very little depth, and an obsession with 'punching up' which is steamrolling nuance, imo.
@@jneilson7568 yeah I find the key element to that punching up is the "destroy the patriarchy" movement
Modern writing descends into a world of grey due to its writers not believing in objective morality. It's all subjective, so in interviews, they'll say that there is no good or bad; it's just whoever holds the power or PoV.
This is not Star Trek. This is not a better future. It's trash.
:sigh: .. they have the literal starship Enterprise and a license to do whatever they want and THIS is the result?!?
FFS
Lucy is going to pull away the football EVERY TIME, why expect different.
🤦♂OMG, polyjuice potion is magical, not scientific. It doesn't belong in Star Trek.
This is how you know it's no longer scfi, but sci-fantasy. It's basically Dr. Who.
You do know that a sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, yeah?
@@BaldAndCurious and you do know that SNW is set in the TOS era, and they didn't have that level of technology then?
@@BaldAndCurious This is a show that would make technobabble to pretend that its technology was grounded in reality. The explanation you're describing might not work as well when it's a crutch for the writers to do whatever they want without trying to justify it with "hard" science. The show is becoming sci-fantasy, just like Doctor Who. It would be fine if they were honest about it
Closest I can think of is the TNG episode "Masks". But even back then that episode was generally mocked by the fandom.
Not to mention the change in physiology. Can you imagine the trauma of a human being having their biochemistry suddenly switch from iron based to that of copper. And, having their internal organs shifting positions. This type of change would have killed them.
This was a stupid error in the better ST series too. I never liked these instand back and forth transformations. This is completely stupid, and will be in the far future as well.
@@Sonnellbruh, in old trek it was purely cosmetic. Advanced cosmetic surgery, they didn't become another race 😂😂😂
Happening that fast yeah! We see this kind of thing happen in established, pre woke canon, but its a MUCH slower process usually due to some weird virus.
First thing I looked for in the clip: no green tint in their skin. None whatsoever.
@@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God it was with the very first episode too
It lost me years ago.
Who are they making this for ? Between Kurtzman and Kennedy they have completely obliterated two of the most beloved franchises in sci-fi.
After 25 years of avoiding DS9, I decided to give them all a watch and I was blown away good they were. It's a benchmark of writing that this new "Trek" will never achieve.
Ya waited 25 years???? What about voyager, in the day ya had to watch all 3 in order, ya know, with the few cross- overs, but you're dedication to reject change is admiral 😊
Yeah, DS9 is not good, but these new shows are making it totally viewable. :(
@@Sonnell compared with std, retard and snw ds9 is a masterpiece.
@@davebreen9306 I'm not sure about that. TNG had finnished, Only Voyager was the appealing to me. DS9 was suprisingly easy to avoid.
@@TDHurley ST:Enterprise is great as well....
I wouldn't describe Pike's new hair style as "a bridge too far". I'd describe it as a shaving brush.
Shaving brush that met a hedge trimmer.
He's a troll doll with pointed ears.
Or a Muppet character
@@ValerianMacMillan Yes, that fits very well. You're referring to Beaker, I take it, the assistant to the professor.
Find the exiled writers and rescue them.
They've been cancelled.
We left intentionally, and chose different careers. But thank you.
@@8Biit fortheloveofmercy please come back we beg you don't leave us to these horrors please
SNW has ALWAYS been a "Modern Star Trek" *Parody*
Nothing Else
I would rather be forced to watch, continuously the TOS episode “Spock’s Brain” than this nauseating excuse of excrement!! I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw that clip and said to myself “What the hell is that?!”
Sadly this is the trend. As George Carlin pointed out, "Corporations want obedient workers, smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, yet dumb enough to accept their position.". This means entertainment cannot promote conscious thought, it can only be distraction!
In the military it was common knowledge that the best guys were the C students. Smart enough to do the job, dumb enough to not ask questions. Course, that was years ago...
And certainly never inspire.
They have mistaken Star Trek's science with Harry Potter's magic.
Ironically, Harry Potter suffers from exactly the same problem: it's badly written, dumbed down Fantasy fan-fic for those of slow mind. Terry Pratchett (genius!) was horrified that Jo Rowling (who I admire in other ways) was being lauded for writing such generic, childish rubbish.
While what happens is technically possible within the established canon, not by some serum, it would also take days at least to change, and wtf is with the hairstyle change lol.
They probably heard jokes and derisions about Trek's "magic technobabble" over the decades and came to that conclusion.
Star Trek tech has always been Clarketech: light glows, magic happens. It's just obnoxious how little they're doing with the possibilities.
Science Officer Snape made the serum, I'm guessing?
None of this newer 'generation' of Star Trek branded entertainment is even in the slightest bit worth watching.
Thank you
Don't think, just CONSUME!
It's like they were trying to make the stupidest episode they possibly could.
Reminds of an attempt to replicate Kirk disguising himself as a Romulan to steal a cloaking device from a Romulan ship in the episode The Enterprise Incident. It was cosmetic surgery not some injectable solution. Also, If I didn't know any better, this whole Vulcan transitioning was just an allegory for current day gender transitioning and taking HRT.
It probably IS an allegory
@@lawr5764If it is it's the opposite of what they want to say. They're saying biology and behavior and inextricably linked i.e. that it's not possible for someone to be transgender.
The writers seem to think Star Trek is Buffy. It's not science fiction anymore - it's potions and spells and wacky magic.
Just thinking this. When Tarantino broke out, there was a whole bunch of movies that tried to copy his dialogue and tone, whilst missing what made it work in the first place.
It feels the same way with many Genre TV shows/films post Whedon. 🤔
There is a reason for that, and I have enjoyed a lot! We are coming from the discovery era, of course we needed some more comic relief tone!!!!
Now.... what is more magical.... a serum that changes a person anatomy, knowledge and hair style..... or a Powerfull being that can travel instantly through the galaxy and even take a ship without trans warping or portal to another sector to be discovered by a race that assimilate others?
@@benjaminprieto6605 Your only making point that ST has been going down hill for a very long time and people been just ignoring and are continuing to ignore it. So they getting exactly what they deserve.
@@benjaminprieto6605 lol what a take "its been shittier before but its less shit now"
@@itswilbur3747you've got a point, but I'm wondering what template they're working from. Back in the 2000s there were three templates all sci-fi shows worked from: the reimagined Battlestar Galactica, Lost, and Firefly, for example.
I'm not watching this. I didn't watch it when it came out. I didn't watch it when they did a musical episode. I'm not watching it now.
I watched every Star Trek since I was a kid. Used to fall asleep to Next Generation every night. I grew up on Star Trek. This isn't Star Trek, and they can't and won't convince me it is.
I checked out of this show when season two first started.
I used to have entire scenes of Classic Trek MEMORIZED I watched them so much. Would be walking with family in a mall and if the TVs for sell were playing Star Trek, I'd stop and check if it was a good episode or not because I'd hold everyone up to watch it if it was. I even built and painted the model of the U.S.S. Enterprise and I'd never built a model before or since. Star Trek was cool. It made you think about topics you otherwise wouldn't think about. Plus, who didn't want a tricorder or phaser. :)
@@xgray2012 I checked out of this show when I realised it inherited Discovery and I checked out of THAT trash at the end of season 2 when something calling itself Spock said "who are you going to believe Admiral, me or your lying sensors?".
@@veganconservative1109 > Plus, who didn't want a tricorder or phaser. :)
I can think of an awesome reason to grab a phaser and an intercontinental transporter beam to the Hollywood writing room right now.
I love it when people tell me to lighten up. I'm the jackass who remembers what the standards are supposed to be, and when they fail, it's my fault for noticing.
I gave up caring about Nu-trek years ago.
Nu-trek sucks.
I read someone's comment from in the industry talking about how studios are not willing to pay for show bibles anymore, which I believe are key to long-running shows that care about continuity and intelligence.
>>studios are not willing to pay for show bibles anymore
@@alexmuenster2102 They don't make these franchises for fans any longer but for the "new" DEI audiences they expect to magikally appear from their own behinds...
>> not willing to pay for show bibles anymore
> Can't believe that. A FAN would do it for FREE
Haven't they ALREADY? Weren't the fan sites ALREADY ALL OVER THE WORLD?
Here's the hard truth of the matter: Star Trek went "mainstream", starting with the J. J. Abrams Star Trek film (2009). Once studios saw how much a version of Star Trek like that could pull in at the Box Office, it was all downhill from there and there was no going back. All Star Trek after that followed a similar action/blockbuster formula. Sadly, gone are the days of classic Trek for critical thinkers and serious sci-fi enthusiasts; it just doesn't pull in the same money for studio exec's, which is all they really care about.
This. Thanks for articulating it
@nebula0024, It's an interesting argument, but those movies weren't that successful financially, especially the last two which likely lost money. As RMB has repeatedly said, ST has always been a niche interest in popular culture, compared to SW and other brands.
I have yet to watch any full NuTrek other than reviews with clips or trailers. It's like when Buffy the Vampire Slayer came out the same time as Forever Knight. I loved the intellectual thought put into the latter even though the first season's special effects were not very good.
Oh absolutely. I'm very much of the opinion that the 2009 movie was a monkey's paw for the franchise, insofar as while it gave it new life, it also cursed it with terrible writing and worldbuilding.
@@mitchellmelkin4078 And what was the response?
To dumb it down further. Add an animated series. Announce a live action comedy series. Broaden the "accessibility".
Are you ready for Star Trek to boldly go where they think everybody is?
I can't add to your analysis. You're right it has become a live action cartoon.
No no. That's the upcoming announced comedy series. Right now it's just live-action farce.
Your highlighting the 90's seems correct. Scripted entertainment has been in a gradual decline since.
There's nothing I hate more than someone saying "I don't think about it too much" or "It's just a movie, bro" when I'm pointing out some logical inconsistency in a TV show or movie
Don't forget the keyword "overthink".
@@troffle haha definitely. It's true that they are not guilty of overthinking. They are likely not thinking at all.
Remember when we had episodes such as the Inner Light and The Visitor…
Now we just get pseudo emotional garbage with no impact
TNG had 178 episodes and DS9 had 176 though, you picked two out of 354 episodes, not every episode was like that we also had really bad episodes as well.
A few come to mind for TNG; Sub Rosa (ghost sex candle), Masks, Shades of Gray (the only Clip Show episode in Star Trek history), Justice.
Not to mention season 1's racist episodes (Code of Honor and Up the long ladder) which were racist at the time they were made let alone on re-watch
Oh and the Geordi creepy romance episodes (Aquiel, Booby Trap, Galaxy's Child).
DS9 also gave us Move Along Home, Profit And Lace, The Muse and others.
It's just because seasons were twice as long as modern trek 26 vs 10, the good stories stand out over the bad ones.
@@thomaswedge42 I just picked two of them off the top of my head to make my point, the fact I can do that without even really thinking about it shows the difference in quality. Yes I agree that 90’s trek had some pretty bad episodes but if I was to compare seasons of TNG, DS9 and voyager on a whole, I would say 70% of a season was really good trek, with 20% being average and 10% being bad. Compare that with modern trek like discovery and SNW, you could argue 80% of it is bad, with 10% average and 10% being good episodes. That’s my opinion on having watched every episode of new trek, that’s how I would categorise it. But even the bad episodes of 90’s trek are infinitely better than a bad episode of modern trek. I mean I’d watch code of honour, up the long ladder, Sub Rosa, move along home and even shades of grey a 100x before I ever watched something like SNW’s musical episode.
I remember when Sisko and his crew tried to convict the supposed shapeshifter Gowron. How they changed their physical features to look like Klingons. How they had to make an effort to act like Klingons... and now we have this piece of semi optimal garbage.
As soon as I saw this I said to myself WTF did Kurtzman & his crew damage now 🤦🏾♂️
Maybe in the end of the series they could have a coda where Pike wakes up with a massive hangover and vows never to mix Romulan ale and Klingon bloodwine into a cocktail again.
The "Old man waving his fist at a cloud" schtick betrays the mindset of these people: instantly dismiss someone because they're old without any further thought.
It's a teenager mindset, but in these days of prolonged adolescence, you see people in their 20s and 30s who never grow out of it.
I've seen people claim to have watched TNG broadcasts or worse, TOS broadcasts and still think this trash is good.
... or, y'know, one hopes it's just shill accounts from Paramount.
@@troffle Apparently over half of accounts on Facebook are bots, so they probably are shill accounts. Same accounts that praise the new star wars shows.
@@URProductions It's a little surprising to see how many accounts on THIS site are new creations with no content. Or worse, very old accounts WITH NO CONTENT.
@@troffle To be fair, you have to have an account if you want to watch certain videos, or if you want your feed to be curated to your tastes.
@@URProductions With no visible sign of any other activity?
Remember in DS9 when it required cosmetic surgery to change Sisko, Odo and O'Brian into klingons, and they had to train to learn how to act by worf as they moved to their mission.
Man, that was great story telling.
Apathy. That’s where I am. Been there for some time.
Yeah, Vulcan didn't become like that because of biology, it was because of philosophy. They had a guru whose teachings changed their approach.
Yeah, I can forgive the hairstyle change as something g they would have done in TOS (Shatner played his own brother with a glued on mustache). But genetic Vulcans who hadn’t grown up as Vulcans would be unstable.
When Surak said "Killing each other sucks why don't we all try this logic thing!" and some of them were like "Hell yeah!" and the rest were like "HERESY!" and then they nuked the planet and the heresy crowd left to become the Romulans!
Not according to NuTrek. It's taking the incredibly based approach of saying that Vulcan intelligence, logic, and personalities are genetic. Weird thing for a progressive show to preach, but here we are
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"The quality of scripted entertainment has declined..." This most apt line sums up the whole issue with the industry.
Thank you.
I'm glad I've never seen a single episode of this.
It looked like a Saturday Night Live parody skit…😮
Those were better.
They crossed over with lower decks. Nothing should surprise you at this point.
Musical episode and Vulcan-racism-in-a-hypo. NOW, nothing should surprise you at this point.
To quote Lt. Colonel Cameron Mitchell "Never underestimate your audience. They're generally sensitive, intelligent people who respond positively to quality entertainment".
Also to quote Cameron Mitchell: "Don’t throw your history away for a bag full of magic tricks"
jesuswept To see how far society has fallen.
I've learned to never discount current era's ability to continually shatter the barrel's bottom.
"modern" Star Trek is just not Logical.
You nailed it perfectly, Dave! And, in a way I really couldn't fully articulate because of the sadness and disgust that I shudder with as I experience mush of this new Trek. Thank you...
You're absolutely right. There are tons of people that defend crap now. I can't believe I EVER used to complain about Rick Berman looking at what Alex Kurtzman has done to Star Trek, and the idiots that pretend any of his drivel is good astounds me, though I tend to think the majority are seals clapping for identity politics and not Star Trek in general. Most of what comes out now is "fast food entertainment". You watch it, it's in your head and it's gone.
Today’s entertainment is edging closer and closer to “the feelies” from Brave New World. It is a soulless feast for the senses, devoid of meaning and intellectual pursuits, ultimately leaving the viewer empty.
Good analogy. I remember people arguing in the past about whether the type of society portrayed in "1984" or "Brave New World" was more likely to come into being. It appears that we have elements of both novels manifesting in today's age.
@@Wulfyr But its not a natural occurrence, being lead to this.
@@OneofInfinity.You're absolutely right mate. It's very far from natural to have our respective societies warped by this constant social engineering.
@@Wulfyr Understand Orwell was literally told the plan. He simply wrote books explaining it. He didn't see it coming. He was brought in and rejected their plan and the push around him.
He has been warning us of what has been in the works for 150 years now.
Space Magic!!! This is why science fiction needs experts to help. Look at Stargate SG1. They had an Air Force Consultant sit in on their scene writings. Many times the actors said the Air Force Consultant said, "Yeah we (the airforce) would not do that." I also like when good writers bring in Theoretical Scientists to ask about how something would work. Or how big would this weapon have to be? If we had this how would it work? That way you don't have to use "Space Magic".
I recently did a TOS season 2 marathon and it was absolutely amazing. Seeing Strange New Worlds screw up everything, makes me sick.
Never forget that RMB shilled out for Shang Chi
There is no longer an 'elephant-in-the-room' - issue here as it is WORSE than that.
NOW we are definitely dealing with the 'CLOWN-in-the-room' and it is embarrassing.
Maybe "Troll-in-the room" given what Captain Pike looks like.
@@All2Meme I had one of those growing up.
They've had all singing and dancing. How much worse can it get. Having just typed that I'm sure they'll certainly find a way.
3:29 Every cliche you listed off, "it's just a bit of fun" etc. sounds exactly like my friend with no taste. It puts a real strain on our friendship when he supports garbage movie and TV franchises out of pure boredom.
Remember when we thought "Tuvix" was a bridge too far? My god, that episode is Macbeth-caliber writing by comparison.
Imagine this with Kirk or Picard. They had surgery to look Romulan. Because that made sense. This is a cartoon.
We have literally reached Idiocracy (the movie) level standards.
it's worse. at least the Wrestler president actually cared about the problems and tried to fix them, but was just too stupid to do so himself.
So looking like something actually turns you into that something? Can’t imagine what that message could apply to in Hollywood!
if that was true the world would end because I would become the Great Cthulhu immediately upon waking up in the morning!
I remember when the idea that biology and culture were inextricably linked was racist. Hell, it was just like 5 years ago!
I had to blow off Trek, as well as Star Wars and Doctor Who, despite their importance in my earlier life. Everything feels like the Acolyte now.
I had a similar experience with Foundation. I kept watching and waiting for it to be either conclusively good or conclusively bad. It took me 1.5 seasons to finally give up and decide that it’s just bad. The opposite happened with Fallout, where I was immediately sold and they kept me engaged for the full season.
What kind of stamina do you have!?
I saw the scene where the scientists chose the sundial over the waterclock "in case you settle on a planet WITH NO WATER" and spent an episode's length of time searching for the American core curriculum documents to verify that "the importance of water" is taught in THIRD GRADE AMERICAN CLASSES. And I just want the makers of that series to all be relocated someplace with no water.
Star Trek was ruined years ago I just wish they would stop defiling its corpse! 🤧😮💨😢😥😭
I watched the clip and I'm literally shaking my head as I did so. It's so sad what they've done with all the recent ST series. I'm sure those that criticized ST Enterprise back in the day would gladly welcome the writing and stories of that series. Anson Mount was a great pick to play Pike had they stuck to a truer ST sci-fi type of story telling...
Least they didn't throw in a Vulcan song & dance number as well.
You didn't see the episode yet.
They have a small music montage when they are walking down the corridor 😂.
Studios seem to be trying to acclimate the younger generations to low cost, low quality, low episode count tv shows. Before you know it all us people that remember good entertainment will be gone.
That's the plan, the gone part.
The Oriville was a better Trek show than we'll ever see again 😢
And the vandalizing of Star Trek goes on.
If Strange New Worlds aired in the late 80's or early 90's it wouldn't have made it halfway through it's first season before being canceled.
Only good series get cancelled, this is kept alive with a purpose, even if they lose money its still kept up because it was never meant to entertain.
@camaro5081, This kind of iteration would never have even gotten close to airing back then.
If anything, they should have acted like Romulans as they never had all the intensive training Vulcans go through.
Unless of course the serum also combines temporary synaptic paths from the donor. ;)
Writers before 2010 came frome various background, some where war veterans from WW2 etc, some where authors and others from blue or white collar jobs, they had experiences outside hollywood and used those experiences to write thier stories and scripts.
Now a vast majority of writers are similar ages and only know the hollywood bubble and there are multiple writers where before one was only needed. Some shows have 10 writers where it would have been 2 or 3 in the past.
Having so many writers is suppose to make it diverse but they all have the same experiences and all think the same, they may have different skin colours but that is the only difference. True diversity would be different backgrounds, difference ages and difference political views, not the superficial and shallow appearance based diversity.
Im shocked they haven't added in "STAR TREK STRANGE NEW WORLDS IS FILMED IN FRONT OF A LIVE STUIDO AUDIENCE" just so they can add in laugh tracks to remind us where the funny is
Yes, many people dropped their standard. They are just happy being able to watch "some kind" of Star Trek...