Watch our podcast with Fran: th-cam.com/video/2pYWzxskjLQ/w-d-xo.html Fran's links: TH-cam th-cam.com/channels/61LTeJ7_G0Yrq9gL4Hs12A.html Insta: instagram.com/ex_female_prisoner?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= FB: facebook.com/francesca.fattore.568 Twitter: twitter.com/birdsdoing?t=MEkCR5AJEPaStuH5QbgeAg&s=08 TikTok: vm.tiktok.com/ZMLwW1vpJ/ FB: facebook.com/Birdsdoingbird-103804575680336/ In business with violent drug gangs in Reading, Fran is arrested, but the craziness on the streets is nothing compared to the mayhem of a women's prison.
That's decent of you Shaun putting up the links for everyone to see and watch the videos you have so many brother it's hard to get through them but you have a whole load of cracking stuff going on it's astronomically high standards brother and some of the best crime stories I'll be honest wit chu I like the ones where it's you Jen and some nutter sitting telling their lives stories it's the way I love it man I like to talk on the lives well write not talk Scotty boy from Edinburgh Scotland just so y'all know man
Got rid of Instagram too many hookers no disrespect no no I don't do it like that but it's the ones that want to try and get money from you and they can jump as high as they want it's not frakin happen it's nuts on their now it's crazy when so many women are hitting on you I was just putting up some photography on my post and I had women calling me and I ain't paying for shiiit dawg ha ha no cap
What a fair minded even handed guest. I heard Fran understating her knowledge. Didn't dramatise her experience. So important to separate stuff when looking at Letby's drama.
It is remarkable to see a person go through the dark night of the soul and grow afterwards in happiness and abundance. Very few achieve this, as it takes more strength than people know. I love her glow, very warm person.
Yeah she's great. I'm a completely different person to when I was younger, never a criminal but have genuinely changed...Some people can't change especially psychopaths.
I was in Peterborough prison when that woman ( can’t remember her name off the top of my head ) was in there that killed her stepson through neglect and cruelty. The shocking cctv footage of that poor boy not even having the strength to put his duvet back on his bed. Anyway I was on the exercise yard one afternoon and there was a female gov that had been working on the women’s side for the previous week. She was telling us that even though she wasn’t allowed out of her pad when the other inmates were out, they still managed to make her life a misery. One of the ways that she punished that poor child was trying to poison him with salt. So the inmates would put a load of salt on her food then the gov’s will take it to her. She tried putting in a complaint saying that the gov’s were allowing inmates to mess with her food. Which got everyone angry as she has more protection than that poor child did from her, he had no one to complain too, or a kiosk to put a complaint in.
That’s so sad 😞 poor little boy 😭, it makes me miserable to think that even at this moment, there are kids being treated terribly, I wish I could rescue them all, take them to safety and only let them know love and care ❤
I still can’t sleep when I think of what that beast Emma Tustin did to her boyfriend’s child - she was so proud of her sadism she filmed his misery while his dad stood by. The other kids in the house were treated alright but poor Arthur was beaten and abused day and night - and he was six years old, aware of every act of cruelty that piece of garbage subjected him to. There is no punishment great enough for this subhuman monster. That poor little boy.
Very informative and intelligent guest. Thank you, Shaun, for always keeping us informed. It's such a tough topic to cover. I've always said that some of the most intelligent people have done time in prison. I wish Fran only the very best, and I definitely will subscribe to her channel.
Fran, it's great that you're challenging the narrative surrounding women who've been in prison. Obviously, you were always a good person, but you made some bad choices and ended up in prison. Everyone has got the potential to turn their lives around and it's amazing that you're using your experiences to help other people. Good luck and all power to you for a successful future. ❤
Thank you to both you and Shaun Attwood for this podcast. You handled it very calmly and eloquently. You remained amazingly neutral, not saying a bad word about Lucy Letby. But then again when asked about Rose West sincerely turning Christ and not just saying she has, you told Shaun that you don't personally know the woman so you can't answer. Fair enough. You also gave lots of interesting info. @@ukexfemaleprisonerfrancesc9990
Great she’s found god but how many children did fran kill selling drugs ? That would be interesting to know…drug dealers don’t have a conscious etc and all about making money. Nobody going to employ you so set up a page talking about female prisons. Yesterday you spoke about two prisons but Holloway which if the biggest closed prison has different rules to your experiences. Maybe stick to the prisons you experienced as I know for a fact you need to point out, you don’t know all the prison rules. Plus being in a main block is very different to the psychiatric ward , detox wing and where children killers Are housed.
Watching from Canada. I don't imagine Lucy will have smooth time in prison. Murdering babies is a heinous crime. Killing babies so she could flurt with doctor is beyond disgusting. Those poor parents are sentenced to a life of grief. My first grand baby was just born. I'm a peaceful, sensible person, but murdering such innocent babies who are already needing the NICU is hoffific.
I’m originally from London and Katie price used to come in my local pub in ruislip , and you know she was so beautiful, her eyes were stunning, I haven’t live in uk for a few years so to hear she is in trouble, I find that sad as I thought she seemed liked a lovely person, hope it works out for her
Very interesting interview Shaun. Fran was great - down to earth, not sensationalist, just telling it like it is - I will be subscribing to her channel. Well done both of you!
Excellent interview. Thanks. There's a lot of 'sound and fury signifying nothing' on social media, when it comes to this subject, but this is straightforward, honest and informative. I'm a mental health professional and I agree - the fact that the ongoing mental health crisis in prisons is not properly addressed is an outrage.
I was in sensed, while living in a temporary lodging house once, there was a girl who said she encountered MYRA HINDLEY in a visititing room . She explained ' Myra HINDLEY was the nicest person you could ever meet." UNQUOTE. . This quote sickened me.
She was a monster. Those kids would have went with Ian Brady if she had not have been there. And that poor wee mum who died not knowing where her son is buried.😢
Lucy didn't come from a harsh and rough background, she only knew the pampered life and good food... She only knew higher class individuals. She is now locked up with her complete opposite, women who are probably in there mostly for only knowing self survival instincts. That in itself will be hell for her.
LL thought she was above her colleagues, she'd give medical opinions after being qualified as a band 5 nurse, and she contradicted and fought against at least 10 Drs (experts in different fields of medicine, Drs she had worked with, expert neonatologists) that testified against her in court. She didn't even show up for the impact statements of her victims! Shows the respect she has for her community, the judiciary system and her colleagues at the COCH. She's the most irritating female SK of all time !
I worked in a hospital performing ultrasounds. All of a sudden the male prisoners in the local gaol developed pain in the groin so were referred for a scan. So i refused to perform scrotal scans and my male colleagues had to perform them. The groin pains miraculously stopped.
Fantastic guest, really enjoyed her insights. This podcast has really got me interested in the prison system. It’s annoying how little we know about the day to day life and going’s on, it’s kept out of the main stream media. I hope they could study Letby scientifically and psychologically as an example of a person with a loving upbringing, no mental health problem yet going on to commit evil sadist acts
You mentioned Myrah Hindley. I was in Holloway with her and she always walked around flanked by two screws. We inmates would look for a way to distract the screws at meal times so we could tip the big urns of hot porridge or hot tea over her. She was scalded a lot. Lol.
When I mentioned my late son he didn't die in jail. He took his own life a few years later due to his experience at aged 16 being placed on remand in an adult jail HMP now Edinburgh before receiving an inappropriate sentence from a now early retired sherrif Lothian who was afterwards arrested in an Edinburgh sauna.
Rest easy young man RIP brother it's not right that a young mans life is in jeopardy because he's come out after doin prison time and I didn't know about Sheriff Lothian who was one of the most horrific judges to go up against , I feel your pain bruv this judge was a bad experience going in front of him because he put so many people away in prison for remand in custody until whenever and if he's done more bad than good that tells me that he is not a good person and it really shows when he was on the bench and just say I was up that day and came from St Leanords police station in Edinburgh is one of the most dangerous places no exercise all weekend and then you go to court after spending the weekend say in the cop shop and when you get in the holding cells under the courts and you hear that Sheriff Lothian is on the bench that is a scare for people and you start to hear people saying I'm getting remanded because he's a bad judge to go up against your more than likely going to remand if you have done some things in your past that you have been up in front of him before your going to prison more than not, sorry about your lad it's so sad to see this happen and sorry you probably don't even want to hear what I'm saying right now but I have to do my best to keep young catz outside of prison because it ain't worth it y'all listening check yourself before you go do something stupid that will end you up in prison especially in front of judges like Lothian who has been a bit of a mystery with the way he lived and I guarantee that a lot of these people are just as bad as the other especially judges they get involved with some of the most craziest stuff going down and it seems to be a fact that it's so popular for a judge to be doing some funky bullshit that we will end up finding out about there antics that are a little bit naughty huh
Really enjoyed this one Shaun! I read your books not that long ago, I was gutted when I started listening to your podcasts when I realised what happened to wild man so sad!
I think Lucy letby will get jumped soon has she comes out off segregation or the screws will turn a blind eye at some point . Cannot see Lucy letby lasting long in the system something is going to happen to her
Just watched locked up abroad in Canada with my husband and holy duck a fuck I was crying for you in places , especially about your feelings about your parents, 🙏 thanks for being so candid , I have loved listening
Bets to you, Fran. Loved your insight, character and honesty. Have family with all types and love the ones in trouble just as much as the others. Thanks Shaun for having her on.
If Letby doesn't get beaten to death in prison she will probably die from heart disease due to the diet and lack of exercise . However that might take about another thirty years . I've worked in health care here in the UK for 45 years . Letby horrifies me . And I know that she horrifies all of you too . Those poor babies and their families 😢
I don't think the diet will do anything to her that a diet won't do to the rest of us out here. If anything, they get to gorge on food a lot less. By law, the food provided to them has to be safe. I'd imagine it is probably also a balanced diet (in terms of what is provided). This is the U.K., remember. So, we bend over backwards for people's human rights. It will probably be similar to hospital food, but maybe half as palatable. What will really damage your health in that type of environment is the lack of hope and 24/7 stress (the feeling of being locked up in a hostile environment). So, in a place like that, the strongest survive. Letby is definitely not a hardened career criminal (with no criminal history), so she will not do well there at all. Unlike a lot of them in there (who have hope of being released), Letby has no hope at all once her appeals fail (which I assume they will).
@@bobbypukes605 Respect 👍 There has been a big change in the meals provided over the last years . Outsourcing. Ready meals , just require reheating in a microwave . It's frankly overpriced garbage . Large Companies making big profits . I hope she suffers big time . I work in end of life care , nursing home . All of meals were home cooked . Now it's just rubbish from a Company . Microwave stuff ! Best regards to you 👋❤️
@@yolandehow Totally agree . Let every day be a nightmare for her . Years of misery . I am not a vindictive person , but I hope she suffers daily . 45 years working in health care , she disgusts me
she looks too weak she wont cope she is being watched 24/7 but when they think she wont do herself in and stop watching her 24/7 then she might end up doing herself in she might get a few beatings if they can get at her its not like the mens prison where someone on life with nowt too lose does a male in by killing where there wont be too many females willing too kill her but who knows
Interesting to hear Fran’s insights into her times in prison. I am pleased she has turned her life around and i am sure she could give young people a lot of sound advice.
@@ukexfemaleprisonerfrancesc9990 You seem so level headed Fran. You are an inspiration to me and I love listening to you .. best of luck. I am going over to subscribe to your channel.
I agree with Fran re if they want to get her they will. I haven't been in jail yet but lived through my late son's jail experience and attended many induction meetings in HMP Saughton now called HMP Edinburgh. Thank you Fran. 👍👍👍👍
Great guest, great interview with Fran. Thanks for giving us an insight to a female prison. I keep on thinking back to Prisoner Cell Block H !! Goodluck to Fran 👍🏻 Ps Low Newton is a prison in Durham where i have heard some locals have gone.
Letby's biggest admission of guilt is her refusal to attend the sentencing, where she would have to face the families of the innocent victims. And it REALLY IS TIME the UK government did not allow convicted criminals to face the full consequences of her crimes. She has been ordered to receive print outs of the families' views, and the judges statement on sentencing. But they cannot make her read it. The recorded statements of the families statements and judge's sentencing should be played to her in her cell every day for the rest of her life. The friends and family who support her and claim her innocence clearly did not pay attention to the evidence, and are beyond disgusting. Were she my daughter, I would have told her she is no longer my daughter, and not to expect letters or visits
A parent will always feel love towards their child even if they are disappointed in them. That doesn't mean they believe their child is innocent. If anything, the parents might feel they failed at some level. Lucy Letby has sentenced her parents to a life of grief as well. Lucy Letby is definitely a disappointment.
The parents should not protect her but at least keep contact with her. We all know that Lucy is the criminal and we also all know that evil like to enter into the most weak and fragile soul. GodBless.
She can't read those statements because she can't hear how much her actions impacted on others, she knows what she did was horrendous and but she can't accept responsibility.
When my sister was in Bronzefield she loved the food especially the salads. She was only in for 3 months but she liked it in there as she sorted herself out & got healthy again
I like this lady, sensible, intelligent and able to objective. It’s a shocking and senseless case but I doubt Letby will be killed, in any case it’ll be worse to have to live out her last life with no hope of betterment or liberation. I’d like to see people who abuse elders and animals or anyone or anything vulnerable get tougher sentences too
I was in bronzefield well I have been twice I got out this time last year and changed my life around it was the best thing that happened to me like fran said. as for Lucy letby she is going to wish she was dead in prison
Well done, not many turn that kind of experience into a positive and grow from it. It must have been tough being inside with certain individuals. Keep flying high ❤
@@SteffiNovaASMR_Replays thank u that's really nice thing to say it's a long story of how I ended up in prison a lot of abuse and mental illness that ended up setting off an unfortunate chain of events I would like to share my story at some point it's a crazy one
Great discussion. Really appreciated hearing such discussions given the LL case recently. Abhorrent crimes from a cold hearted cretin, and she’s damaged the trust between families and those who are meant to care most (nurses)! As a dual trained paediatric and public health nurse and someone who is desperate to be a mother this case has gripped me. I am so very sorry for the loss of each babies life and can only imagine the pain the families have to live with 😢 It’s just devastating on every level. LL’s only visitors will be her parents and eventually they will die and she’ll have no one. I hope LL lives a long and miserable life! 😤 I believe managers have a lot to answer for too. I pray they are held accountable for their lack of action and poor decision making. I’ve seen things in my time too! We need to bring back the matron to run things. Old school!
As long as she keeps lying she will be of no purpose to the babies' parents, her colleagues etc that want/ need explanations and closure because they are the true victims. She acts as the only victim 'scapegoat' in the face of all the testimonies and evidence against her. She'd get some respect if she came clean, but it seems to me as long as her parents live she won't confess, and this will make her life even more miserable. What I find extremely disgusting is the level of idiocy and selfishness in her character, knowing what the parents and her colleagues have gone through there is no greater insult to all the people involved than pretending to be innocent.
I recently worked for prison transfers, the escort vans that take prisoners from police to court, court to prison and prison to other prisons. I regularly went in to Low Newton prison to drop off and pick up, it’s a decent jail considering. The guards are pretty decent in there, however I’m sure Lucy Letby will not get any nice treatment. She will only stay there about 5 years then will be moved on to somewhere else. Rose West was moved from there a couple of years ago with her girlfriend, they were moved down south together for bullying other inmates. I know from transferring some bad people in the past that the other prisoners on the van will have mentally tormented her and that will continue for years to come.
Ah, GeoAmey! I did that for a time in another part of the country. I hated it! Nothing to do with the prisoners, they were fine, the same couldn't be said for the people I worked with. I ought to have read the reviews on Indeed first because that particular depot was mentioned in less than glowing terms for exactly those reasons.
What about her accomplices? When are they joining her in prison? Nothing can be done without their say so. I guess they got anxious because the Drs knew if the police were involved, it would be out of their hands and they couldn’t cover it up. So they went after the Drs instead. This also needs court action and sentencing.
The nice persona is how she managed to get to kill so many lives of new norms. To think she could of been the devil in disguise to watch over my 2lb grandson.
Absolutely beyond redemption & belief. This repugnant monster is also giving the media & government further excuse to demonise & castigate the nursing profession. To destract from the many issues within the NHS & private care sector
I met someone who was inside w hyndley and she said the screws did EXACTLY that… walked her thru where women were and turned their backs for a couple of minutes
Hi Shaun Attwood, I'm very pleased to see and ear you again with that deep humanity that had stricken me when I discovered you (on Lady C channel then on your own one). Deep humanity in your voice, your eyes, together with an understanding, a generosity and joy only seen in people who have suffered as hell. Wish you the best, the same to Fran.
@@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL What a terrific guest Fran is❤, and such an informative video!!! I could listen all day! Thank you Shaun and Congratulations to you and Jen on your brand new little one, Ziggy!!! Take good care!!! Hugs from Saanich British Columbia 👋🇨🇦
Fran comes across as decent person. If they made gear legal it would remove the criminal element. The pull of big money to escape being working poor is real. Letby is a monster hopefully she gets some con justice. Few people deserve it as much as that thing.
"if they made gear legal" Are you really calling for class A drugs to be made legal? I can't see that ever happening. It would lead to a vast increase in the number of addicts if they can legally buy drugs whenever they want and when their money runs out they would turn to crime to feed their habit. It's bad enough now, we don't need thousands more addicts on our streets. Far from removing the criminal element it would make it far worse.
@@BoingBBit’s already worse if the addicts got there fix from a licenced pharmacy and not a dealer they could be be properly treated and weaned off it. Making it legal would drastically reduce the price and remove the criminal element to it. The current policy doesn’t work, people with childhood trauma self medicate with drugs and end up committing crimes to feed there habits. They need proper treatment and support to work through there problems not to be criminalised.the government could charge tax on it and create more revenue to provide better facilities for these people. Alcohol is far worse than any other drug, you don’t want to fight the world on e,s you will after 5 cans of Stella. USA has legalised weed, no -ones up in arms about that.
Lucy Letby was young and had an important job. She had good parents and it appeared she had friends. She could travel and have a good life. She through it all away. She was a nurse but she didn't see her own mental health issues and get treatment. No one saw the monster she is. She was a healthcare provider but didn't take care of her own needs.
I may be a do-gooder but I genuinely think people like this need to be protected and their brains truly studied. As much as she did is not okay. Squishing her like an ant won't help with future proofing and early diagnosis, or staff hiring in the future. I'm in no way sympathetic but this is twice now and more needs to be done in the way diagnosing at school level or in job interviews at the least..
it is more than twice to be fair, child predators pick Churches, Scouts, Cadets, Schools etc, people like her are drawn towards the medical profession.
I understand your point of view, but no amount of psychanalysis or studying the brain will bring any further understanding of, what makes a person like Lucy Letby do what she did. The human psyche is an enigma, beyond our grasp and comprehension, and always will be.
@@patriciaclarke-g1i Like every other organ of the body! We are closer to understanding the brain than we are the skin! One point in history your appendix was believed to be your 'soul' . Breakthroughs are made all the time but without living specimens it's very hard especially with the brain!. I suggest reading some books written by doctors on the subject.
@@marieannwalsh662 It will happen again because of the persons mind state be it nature or nurture people like this walk among us and in my opinion they need help. She was also young and scrawled the words help. I am NOT justifying just if she had been spotted earlier it could have been avoided. We still have much to learn and everything isn't black or white.
That was very interesting and thank you Fran for your honesty. What I did find interesting was when Fran was asked if she would have committed her crime in a foreign country where the prison regime might be tougher and she said no. Doesn't that not suggest that the UK prison system is not much of a deterrent and should be tougher?
Really happy for you having a little one coming soon and you got out of the hell in the USA and got to have a fresh start. Really happy for Fran too. People make mistakes but they can change and they do still deserve to be happy again in the future.
The lightbulb thing is that they grind up the glass of the light bulb to a fine powder, if its added to food it's practically untraceable. It causes massive internal bleeding and eventual death. As far as I know it is not survivable even with hospitalisation.
Yes. My oldest son was born in 94, and I was terrified of leaving my baby in the nursery at the hospital, and insisted he stay in my room with me because of that case. Most horrid and morbid crime ever. I seriously can’t understand how this one was able to get away with is for so long💔 People need to be better educated I think. A “degree” I think makes some people think they know everything 🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️ 💔
@@pickle9753 They had suspicions 8 years ago back in 2015 but l suppose they had to prove it which is horrendous as those beautiful babies died,she tried with 6 more.Its not quite the same but we have a hospital where lots of babies died (201) l know if l,had been pregnant l would have refused to go there.l refuse to go there now anyway imagine if someone like Letby had worked there.She certainly has her parents and even friends fooled as they don't believe she did it.!!!! She's evil personified.
She has a recognised mental health illness, which is why rampton . With Carstairs patients who are deemed less dangerous will be moved to a non nhs facility or a medium level nhs facility somewhere in Scotland.. She might get access to education to do approved short courses
I also blame the hospital for this. Allowing other babies to die so they can compile more evidence is sickening, and stupid of them. They basically enabled her for 8 years, when police should have been doing an investigation after the first baby died suspiciously. This is what actually happened here. I did private investigating back in my 20s, and I am so extremely confused why there is not a Camera video recording every nursery in every hospital on the entire planet?!?! Our most vulnerable and valuable on the planet, are not protected with video surveillance??? What??? That was back in the 90s that the angel of death killed those babies. If cameras would’ve been Issued as standard practice across-the-board after that case, this one would never have gotten past the first, or second death. Also why is there no camera in the medication room monitoring who is taking drugs out of the fridge? I was under the impression that was also standard practice in every hospital?? How many doctors or nursing staff have been caught stealing meds to feed their own addictions? The camera monitoring meds should be issued for those security reasons alone. 😳 Or at least a ID scanner to verify who is even opening the refrigerator filled with meds. We have the tech…..for many many years now ffs. GAS STATIONS HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS BUT A HOSPITAL NURSERY DOESN’T 😳🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️ I’m so heart broken and angry about this case. Shame on that hospital for not involving police immediately. When it comes to kids safety, every one’s “feelings” can go fuck them selves…protecting the kids and babies comes first, and police should have been called. They should be doing jail time right beside her in my opinion. I have Zero sympathy for those idiots. If I was those parents, I’d be suing that hospital till I was dead. All that education they have, and they still lack common sense and decency.
@@pamelaadam9207 she should not be awarded with free education, and should now spend 14 hour days digging ditches till she collapses exhausted at the end of every day. Or gardening and growing food for her community, all day out in the sun doing back breaking labour. She should be forced to contribute every ounce of her energy to public service and bettering her community she lives in…till she is dead. She should have zero comforts and luxuries any more in life. Eat, sleep, work, repeat..till she is dead. Why not? That’s how most survive in the real world, who are not horrific murderers, so why does she get special treatment and privileges handed to her? Because she is “human”?? 😳😳 I’m not sure if I even believe that 😳 Her getting free education now, pisses me off. THATS NOT FAIR! My sons and I worked their asses off to pay for their education..wtf?!?! So does every one else! 😳 many can’t ever even afford to educate them selves, regardless how hard they keep trying, and want it 💔 THIS is why I isolate, and vote alien take over now 😳🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️ Humans mainly just piss me off 🤦♀️
Lucy Letby lived at 41 Westbourne Road. If you look on google maps the childrens plot at the county cemetery and crematorium is directly behind the house. Eerie af
In my opinion Letby is not the type of person that can deal with jail she'll always play the victim card poor little Lucy. I bet she was spoilt as a child and worshiped by her parents like she could never do anything wrong. I also think her parents or one of them is a narcissist.
Life in prison sounds better than many peoples lives outside of prison. See all those living on the streets of India, no electricity, no showers, going hungry. Her prison life seems a lot better.
Don't say India, in Kerala state the quality of India is better than most developed countries. Have you visited Kerala state? Your north india must be a garbage dump, don't say other states are like that. And don't humilate people of India, there are millions of people who are rich but very lonely and sad in the developed countries.
We have had a bad experience with the same hospital. No one listens and no one can win against them as they cover for themselves. Ruining lives. Disgraceful countess of Chester hospital
Brilliant podcast, I’ve been in Holloway to brozefield prison and downview all I all 34 times now all for shop lifting. I’ve seen it all everything from murder to peods
Not being funny but baby killers deserve everything they get in prison,how can anyone have any sorrow for Lucy in any shape or form,my heart goes out to the victims (RIP ) and there families.
In Australia there was a high profile case of a 13yr old boy who was kidnapped raped and murdered. But before the perp was caught the child was missing for years. The police did some crazy sting to catch him, he was already a convicted pedophile and hated by the country. So in prison he had boiling hot water thrown on him. And I don’t think there’s a person in this country who would blame a prison for something like that happening. Infact the prisoners deserve a public service award. These people shouldn’t be in protection, the same way these children weren’t afforded any mercy by them.
Your talking about daniel morcombe and yes the undercover detectives that did that case were absolutely amazing. How they infuriated a crime gang and got into there way of life for over a year to get the killer was unbelievable. They made a mini series on it on a streaming platform. The killer was attacked by a fellow inmate and you could actually hear Australia cheer in the news and media. His parents were tortured by his death and for years had no closure they started a foundation for missing children
@Shaun Attwood we watched Raving Arizona on Banged up abroad, and it was our favourite episode 😁. Was thrilled to see you had a podcast channel, you've had some amazing guests- I said to my husband - 'the The Raving Arizona dude has a TH-cam channel!' Have a great bank holiday weekend 👌😎
Letby is in Durham There is a mixture of single cell, double cell and triple cell. Because of her high profile infamy she’ll be in single cell protected.
Really educational, thank you Fran for your insight, also the presenter is very good. Lucy Letby's crimes were awful, but other criminals punishing her with physical violence etc isn't acceptable. They also don't know if LL has a mental health disorder. She needs protection and against self harm.
46:39 whats crazy is that in prison visits, other prisoners families will be aloud to bring children with them 😮 i hope they never let letby in the visitor room same time as children are there
Thanks for such a fascinating, no frills insight into what prison is like. You should be proud of yourself as you have turned your life around and educated us all.
What Lucy and All of us need is help to learn about why and how cruel, dissociated Lucy's behaviour was. Wherever others were responsible for ignoring red flags, or worse driving harm regarding the poor babies, they must be stopped from allowing or causing harm. Too many groups of people are responsible for the crimes associated with harm of babies, children, vulnerable adults. These groups share psychopathology, beliefs, dissociation with pain they inflict. They organise themselves and others to do harm and hide evidence and silence people. This case in general is focussed on Lucy who obviously should have been stopped and understood to protect the children. Lucy clearly at least suffered and inflicted suffering on the basis of trauma in her own early life..with Dissociation Identity disorder and Social isolation in terms of anyone who cared for or even knew her. Prison must not do more harm. We must learn from people who harm others, why. Problem is that the worst and most dangerous people connected with these'bizarre people fade into the background and the prisoner is the scapegoat. Protecting babies and children, vulnerable adults from harm is top priority. Punishment and reward are tacky torturous. Mental health must be cared for an protection and care must be priority.
🙏🙏to all the Families who lost their beautiful babies 🙏💔 NQUI is a unit of the most vulnerable babies 😢where the Staff work extremely above and beyond with both babies &Parents 🙏🙏
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In business with violent drug gangs in Reading, Fran is arrested, but the craziness on the streets is nothing compared to the mayhem of a women's prison.
Can't find link to Fran's thingy
That's decent of you Shaun putting up the links for everyone to see and watch the videos you have so many brother it's hard to get through them but you have a whole load of cracking stuff going on it's astronomically high standards brother and some of the best crime stories I'll be honest wit chu I like the ones where it's you Jen and some nutter sitting telling their lives stories it's the way I love it man I like to talk on the lives well write not talk Scotty boy from Edinburgh Scotland just so y'all know man
Got rid of Instagram too many hookers no disrespect no no I don't do it like that but it's the ones that want to try and get money from you and they can jump as high as they want it's not frakin happen it's nuts on their now it's crazy when so many women are hitting on you I was just putting up some photography on my post and I had women calling me and I ain't paying for shiiit dawg ha ha no cap
How many kids got killed by her selling drugs, her claim to fame
Are female inmates allowed sex toys?
What a fair minded even handed guest. I heard Fran understating her knowledge. Didn't dramatise her experience. So important to separate stuff when looking at Letby's drama.
It is remarkable to see a person go through the dark night of the soul and grow afterwards in happiness and abundance. Very few achieve this, as it takes more strength than people know. I love her glow, very warm person.
Couldn't agree more.
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Impressed by Fran’s eloquence and the fact that she rehabilitated her life - not an easy thing to do.
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Is this whlte-on-whlte crime? How comes they don't admit it?
She seems nice, a normal person who broke the law. Not in same category at all. She's educating us. Telling us what we need to know.
But has she considered that the Letby case could be a stitch up?! Plenty of evidence for it being.
I am so impressed with Fran and wish her all the very best. She has a bright future ahead of her .
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you ❤
Yeah she's great. I'm a completely different person to when I was younger, never a criminal but have genuinely changed...Some people can't change especially psychopaths.
All the best Fran i'll check into your channel
I was in Peterborough prison when that woman ( can’t remember her name off the top of my head ) was in there that killed her stepson through neglect and cruelty. The shocking cctv footage of that poor boy not even having the strength to put his duvet back on his bed.
Anyway I was on the exercise yard one afternoon and there was a female gov that had been working on the women’s side for the previous week. She was telling us that even though she wasn’t allowed out of her pad when the other inmates were out, they still managed to make her life a misery. One of the ways that she punished that poor child was trying to poison him with salt. So the inmates would put a load of salt on her food then the gov’s will take it to her. She tried putting in a complaint saying that the gov’s were allowing inmates to mess with her food.
Which got everyone angry as she has more protection than that poor child did from her, he had no one to complain too, or a kiosk to put a complaint in.
That’s so sad 😞 poor little boy 😭, it makes me miserable to think that even at this moment, there are kids being treated terribly, I wish I could rescue them all, take them to safety and only let them know love and care ❤
That little boys story was so sad, I saw some videos and had to turn them off, I couldn't watch them.
I remember her , the truth is that they get protected and in my opinion there are some cases that are so bad only capital punishment fits the crime.
If ever someone deserved to get f'd up it was her. Vile witch.
I still can’t sleep when I think of what that beast Emma Tustin did to her boyfriend’s child - she was so proud of her sadism she filmed his misery while his dad stood by. The other kids in the house were treated alright but poor Arthur was beaten and abused day and night - and he was six years old, aware of every act of cruelty that piece of garbage subjected him to. There is no punishment great enough for this subhuman monster. That poor little boy.
Hi Shaun, I hope to see Fran back sometime soon. Love her channel and you vibe well together!
I hope so too! check out our podcast with Fran th-cam.com/video/2pYWzxskjLQ/w-d-xo.html
@@shaunattwoodOFFICIALwatching now, thanks Shaun 😊
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Very informative and intelligent guest. Thank you, Shaun, for always keeping us informed. It's such a tough topic to cover. I've always said that some of the most intelligent people have done time in prison. I wish Fran only the very best, and I definitely will subscribe to her channel.
I recently discovered Fran's channel and all her videos are so interesting and relaxing, even though prison is the subject. Great person!
Thank you ❤
I wander how many children she had killed from selling drugs, grow up you are so dumb
Wat d fuck samey d bull book grass and killer wst
Fran, it's great that you're challenging the narrative surrounding women who've been in prison. Obviously, you were always a good person, but you made some bad choices and ended up in prison. Everyone has got the potential to turn their lives around and it's amazing that you're using your experiences to help other people. Good luck and all power to you for a successful future. ❤
Awe thank you so much. Everyone’s kind words means a lot ❤
Thank you to both you and Shaun Attwood for this podcast. You handled it very calmly and eloquently. You remained amazingly neutral, not saying a bad word about Lucy Letby. But then again when asked about Rose West sincerely turning Christ and not just saying she has, you told Shaun that you don't personally know the woman so you can't answer. Fair enough. You also gave lots of interesting info. @@ukexfemaleprisonerfrancesc9990
Great she’s found god but how many children did fran kill selling drugs ? That would be interesting to know…drug dealers don’t have a conscious etc and all about making money. Nobody going to employ you so set up a page talking about female prisons. Yesterday you spoke about two prisons but Holloway which if the biggest closed prison has different rules to your experiences. Maybe stick to the prisons you experienced as I know for a fact you need to point out, you don’t know all the prison rules. Plus being in a main block is very different to the psychiatric ward , detox wing and where children killers Are housed.
Watching from Canada. I don't imagine Lucy will have smooth time in prison. Murdering babies is a heinous crime. Killing babies so she could flurt with doctor is beyond disgusting. Those poor parents are sentenced to a life of grief. My first grand baby was just born. I'm a peaceful, sensible person, but murdering such innocent babies who are already needing the NICU is hoffific.
agreed, I can't get my head round it.
I’m originally from London and Katie price used to come in my local pub in ruislip , and you know she was so beautiful, her eyes were stunning, I haven’t live in uk for a few years so to hear she is in trouble, I find that sad as I thought she seemed liked a lovely person, hope it works out for her
@@krissymarklewis1793 Look into it. It seems she may well have been fitted up
@@Mj-lb7nl Always gets herself into trouble.. maybe her stunning eyes will save her again
She will be put in isolation if there is a risk of this happening.
Thank you Shaun, really enjoy all your content! Fran was brilliant 🙌
Glad you enjoyed it
I’m glad you enjoyed it ❤
Very interesting interview Shaun. Fran was great - down to earth, not sensationalist, just telling it like it is - I will be subscribing to her channel. Well done both of you!
Glad you enjoyed it
Awe thank you Sally ❤
I agree, I've just subscribed too - she's such an honest, likeable, down to earth person. Thank you Fran 👍
@@deedeedodo8092 awe thank you ❤️
@@ukexfemaleprisonerfrancesc9990what did you do to be in prison next to these types of prisoners
Excellent interview. Thanks. There's a lot of 'sound and fury signifying nothing' on social media, when it comes to this subject, but this is straightforward, honest and informative.
I'm a mental health professional and I agree - the fact that the ongoing mental health crisis in prisons is not properly addressed is an outrage.
Fran is a REAL MENSCH. Lovely person. All success to you lovely woman.
Thank you ❤
I was in sensed, while living in a temporary lodging house once, there was a girl who said she encountered MYRA HINDLEY in a visititing room .
She explained ' Myra HINDLEY was the nicest person you could ever meet." UNQUOTE. . This quote sickened me.
They are very good at wearing the facade.... they have to be to have done what they've done
Nope they very good appearing put on a front .they dont have emtions like normal person
I think she needed to talk to
Lesley Ann downeys mother.
Maybe then she would see the monster beneath.
She was a monster. Those kids would have went with Ian Brady if she had not have been there. And that poor wee mum who died not knowing where her son is buried.😢
People are complex.
Lucy didn't come from a harsh and rough background, she only knew the pampered life and good food... She only knew higher class individuals. She is now locked up with her complete opposite, women who are probably in there mostly for only knowing self survival instincts.
That in itself will be hell for her.
Absolutely. Total confrontation of her worst nightmares!
LL thought she was above her colleagues, she'd give medical opinions after being qualified as a band 5 nurse, and she contradicted and fought against at least 10 Drs (experts in different fields of medicine, Drs she had worked with, expert neonatologists) that testified against her in court. She didn't even show up for the impact statements of her victims! Shows the respect she has for her community, the judiciary system and her colleagues at the COCH.
She's the most irritating female SK of all time !
I worked in a hospital performing ultrasounds. All of a sudden the male prisoners in the local gaol developed pain in the groin so were referred for a scan. So i refused to perform scrotal scans and my male colleagues had to perform them. The groin pains miraculously stopped.
😅😅😅 Good decision
Thumbs up for Fran, so good to see people turning their life around. Keep going girl!
Fantastic guest, really enjoyed her insights. This podcast has really got me interested in the prison system. It’s annoying how little we know about the day to day life and going’s on, it’s kept out of the main stream media. I hope they could study Letby scientifically and psychologically as an example of a person with a loving upbringing, no mental health problem yet going on to commit evil sadist acts
I think Letby does have a personality disorder
You mentioned Myrah Hindley. I was in Holloway with her and she always walked around flanked by two screws. We inmates would look for a way to distract the screws at meal times so we could tip the big urns of hot porridge or hot tea over her. She was scalded a lot. Lol.
Good on you for being open and honest, willing to change for the better Fran.
Thank you 😊❤
When I mentioned my late son he didn't die in jail. He took his own life a few years later due to his experience at aged 16 being placed on remand in an adult jail HMP now Edinburgh before receiving an inappropriate sentence from a now early retired sherrif Lothian who was afterwards arrested in an Edinburgh sauna.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Typical corrupt system.
so sad
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So sorry for your loss 😢
Rest easy young man RIP brother it's not right that a young mans life is in jeopardy because he's come out after doin prison time and I didn't know about Sheriff Lothian who was one of the most horrific judges to go up against , I feel your pain bruv this judge was a bad experience going in front of him because he put so many people away in prison for remand in custody until whenever and if he's done more bad than good that tells me that he is not a good person and it really shows when he was on the bench and just say I was up that day and came from St Leanords police station in Edinburgh is one of the most dangerous places no exercise all weekend and then you go to court after spending the weekend say in the cop shop and when you get in the holding cells under the courts and you hear that Sheriff Lothian is on the bench that is a scare for people and you start to hear people saying I'm getting remanded because he's a bad judge to go up against your more than likely going to remand if you have done some things in your past that you have been up in front of him before your going to prison more than not, sorry about your lad it's so sad to see this happen and sorry you probably don't even want to hear what I'm saying right now but I have to do my best to keep young catz outside of prison because it ain't worth it y'all listening check yourself before you go do something stupid that will end you up in prison especially in front of judges like Lothian who has been a bit of a mystery with the way he lived and I guarantee that a lot of these people are just as bad as the other especially judges they get involved with some of the most craziest stuff going down and it seems to be a fact that it's so popular for a judge to be doing some funky bullshit that we will end up finding out about there antics that are a little bit naughty huh
Absolutely love watching Frans podcasts keep doing what your brilliant at and love your warmth and honesty. Well done Fran.xxx❤️🥰🤗
Really enjoyed this one Shaun!
I read your books not that long ago, I was gutted when I started listening to your podcasts when I realised what happened to wild man so sad!
awww thx
The other nurse you was mentioning Shaun was Beverley Allitt , who infact is currently in Rampton high secure hospital.
Due to be released on parole soon. I’m sure this case will have an effect
@@SteffiNovaASMR_Replays Yes I think you're right. I honestly don't think she should ever be let out of prison. She took four babies lives!!
She was up for parole in 2021 but she doesn't want out.
Hello everyone, do the prisons block certain programmes on tv and what channels do they get ?
I think Lucy letby will get jumped soon has she comes out off segregation or the screws will turn a blind eye at some point . Cannot see Lucy letby lasting long in the system something is going to happen to her
Just watched locked up abroad in Canada with my husband and holy duck a fuck I was crying for you in places , especially about your feelings about your parents, 🙏 thanks for being so candid , I have loved listening
Bets to you, Fran. Loved your insight, character and honesty. Have family with all types and love the ones in trouble just as much as the others. Thanks Shaun for having her on.
Thank you so much!
Such kinds words thank you ❤
If Letby doesn't get beaten to death in prison she will probably die from heart disease due to the diet and lack of exercise . However that might take about another thirty years . I've worked in health care here in the UK for 45 years . Letby horrifies me . And I know that she horrifies all of you too . Those poor babies and their families 😢
I don't think the diet will do anything to her that a diet won't do to the rest of us out here. If anything, they get to gorge on food a lot less. By law, the food provided to them has to be safe. I'd imagine it is probably also a balanced diet (in terms of what is provided). This is the U.K., remember. So, we bend over backwards for people's human rights. It will probably be similar to hospital food, but maybe half as palatable.
What will really damage your health in that type of environment is the lack of hope and 24/7 stress (the feeling of being locked up in a hostile environment). So, in a place like that, the strongest survive. Letby is definitely not a hardened career criminal (with no criminal history), so she will not do well there at all. Unlike a lot of them in there (who have hope of being released), Letby has no hope at all once her appeals fail (which I assume they will).
@@bobbypukes605 Respect 👍 There has been a big change in the meals provided over the last years . Outsourcing. Ready meals , just require reheating in a microwave . It's frankly overpriced garbage . Large Companies making big profits . I hope she suffers big time . I work in end of life care , nursing home . All of meals were home cooked . Now it's just rubbish from a Company . Microwave stuff ! Best regards to you 👋❤️
I'm hoping she lives a lot longer than 30 years, the longer the better....
Maybe Leby will be in isolation for years the only thing that the other girls could do if working in the kitchen
@@yolandehow Totally agree . Let every day be a nightmare for her . Years of misery . I am not a vindictive person , but I hope she suffers daily . 45 years working in health care , she disgusts me
Fascinating interview, really enjoyed it. Thank you Shaun and Fran.
Glad you enjoyed it
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Letby will not survive prison.
Let's hope she suffers a bit first.
If it was America, she would not.
@@lesbiannun982 OMG 😂
she looks too weak she wont cope she is being watched 24/7 but when they think she wont do herself in and stop watching her 24/7 then she might end up doing herself in she might get a few beatings if they can get at her its not like the mens prison where someone on life with nowt too lose does a male in by killing where there wont be too many females willing too kill her but who knows
The conviction will be quashed. Legally, Its flakier than a cadburys flake
Interesting to hear Fran’s insights into her times in prison. I am pleased she has turned her life around and i am sure she could give young people a lot of sound advice.
Well done Fran, it’s good to hear when folk can turn their lives around.
Fran inspires me
Awe thank you ❤
Well done ex drug dealer who probably killed children , bravo and your facts are not correct
@@ukexfemaleprisonerfrancesc9990 You seem so level headed Fran. You are an inspiration to me and I love listening to you .. best of luck. I am going over to subscribe to your channel.
@@freedomofspeech766 awe thank you so much 🥰🥰
The managers should be charged as accessories to mass murder.
I agree with Fran re if they want to get her they will. I haven't been in jail yet but lived through my late son's jail experience and attended many induction meetings in HMP Saughton now called HMP Edinburgh. Thank you Fran. 👍👍👍👍
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Haven't been in jail yet? Are you planning to go?
I’ve long been fascinated by prison day to day life.
Thank you so much for the personal experiences & prospective ❤
Great guest, great interview with Fran. Thanks for giving us an insight to a female prison. I keep on thinking back to Prisoner Cell Block H !! Goodluck to Fran 👍🏻
Ps Low Newton is a prison in Durham where i have heard some locals have gone.
Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed it ❤
Letby's biggest admission of guilt is her refusal to attend the sentencing, where she would have to face the families of the innocent victims. And it REALLY IS TIME the UK government did not allow convicted criminals to face the full consequences of her crimes. She has been ordered to receive print outs of the families' views, and the judges statement on sentencing. But they cannot make her read it. The recorded statements of the families statements and judge's sentencing should be played to her in her cell every day for the rest of her life. The friends and family who support her and claim her innocence clearly did not pay attention to the evidence, and are beyond disgusting. Were she my daughter, I would have told her she is no longer my daughter, and not to expect letters or visits
A parent will always feel love towards their child even if they are disappointed in them. That doesn't mean they believe their child is innocent. If anything, the parents might feel they failed at some level. Lucy Letby has sentenced her parents to a life of grief as well. Lucy Letby is definitely a disappointment.
The parents should not protect her but at least keep contact with her. We all know that Lucy is the criminal and we also all know that evil like to enter into the most weak and fragile soul. GodBless.
She can't read those statements because she can't hear how much her actions impacted on others, she knows what she did was horrendous and but she can't accept responsibility.
Fran amazing great interview just subscribed to her pod cast ❤
Thank you ❤
Lucy Letby DOES NOT deserve any luxuries in prison.
When my sister was in Bronzefield she loved the food especially the salads. She was only in for 3 months but she liked it in there as she sorted herself out & got healthy again
I like this lady, sensible, intelligent and able to objective. It’s a shocking and senseless case but I doubt Letby will be killed, in any case it’ll be worse to have to live out her last life with no hope of betterment or liberation. I’d like to see people who abuse elders and animals or anyone or anything vulnerable get tougher sentences too
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Fran. It's sooo good to see you spent your time locked down to better yourself and switch up. We'll done babe x
I was in bronzefield well I have been twice I got out this time last year and changed my life around it was the best thing that happened to me like fran said. as for Lucy letby she is going to wish she was dead in prison
Well done, not many turn that kind of experience into a positive and grow from it. It must have been tough being inside with certain individuals. Keep flying high ❤
@@SteffiNovaASMR_Replays thank u that's really nice thing to say it's a long story of how I ended up in prison a lot of abuse and mental illness that ended up setting off an unfortunate chain of events I would like to share my story at some point it's a crazy one
Love to read things like this. Not enough prisoners used their time to change. Wishing you all the best 🥰
@@ukexfemaleprisonerfrancesc9990 thank u ❤️
Great discussion. Really appreciated hearing such discussions given the LL case recently. Abhorrent crimes from a cold hearted cretin, and she’s damaged the trust between families and those who are meant to care most (nurses)!
As a dual trained paediatric and public health nurse and someone who is desperate to be a mother this case has gripped me. I am so very sorry for the loss of each babies life and can only imagine the pain the families have to live with 😢 It’s just devastating on every level.
LL’s only visitors will be her parents and eventually they will die and she’ll have no one. I hope LL lives a long and miserable life! 😤
I believe managers have a lot to answer for too. I pray they are held accountable for their lack of action and poor decision making. I’ve seen things in my time too! We need to bring back the matron to run things. Old school!
As long as she keeps lying she will be of no purpose to the babies' parents, her colleagues etc that want/ need explanations and closure because they are the true victims. She acts as the only victim 'scapegoat' in the face of all the testimonies and evidence against her. She'd get some respect if she came clean, but it seems to me as long as her parents live she won't confess, and this will make her life even more miserable.
What I find extremely disgusting is the level of idiocy and selfishness in her character, knowing what the parents and her colleagues have gone through there is no greater insult to all the people involved than pretending to be innocent.
I recently worked for prison transfers, the escort vans that take prisoners from police to court, court to prison and prison to other prisons. I regularly went in to Low Newton prison to drop off and pick up, it’s a decent jail considering. The guards are pretty decent in there, however I’m sure Lucy Letby will not get any nice treatment. She will only stay there about 5 years then will be moved on to somewhere else. Rose West was moved from there a couple of years ago with her girlfriend, they were moved down south together for bullying other inmates. I know from transferring some bad people in the past that the other prisoners on the van will have mentally tormented her and that will continue for years to come.
Ah, GeoAmey! I did that for a time in another part of the country. I hated it! Nothing to do with the prisoners, they were fine, the same couldn't be said for the people I worked with. I ought to have read the reviews on Indeed first because that particular depot was mentioned in less than glowing terms for exactly those reasons.
What about her accomplices? When are they joining her in prison? Nothing can be done without their say so. I guess they got anxious because the Drs knew if the police were involved, it would be out of their hands and they couldn’t cover it up. So they went after the Drs instead. This also needs court action and sentencing.
The nice persona is how she managed to get to kill so many lives of new norms. To think she could of been the devil in disguise to watch over my 2lb grandson.
This was fascinating thank you. What a true gem Fran is. 💎
I like her, shes very credible and doesnt exagerate. She doesnt read any newspaper too, which adds a lot to her credibility.
Absolutely beyond redemption & belief. This repugnant monster is also giving the media & government further excuse to demonise & castigate the nursing profession. To destract from the many issues within the NHS & private care sector
Awe thank you ❤
I met someone who was inside w hyndley and she said the screws did EXACTLY that… walked her thru where women were and turned their backs for a couple of minutes
I thought hindley ruled the place
@@SteffiNova_Vlogs not when she’s at the mercy of those who hated her
Wishing Fran all the best. Great hearing her opinions.
Thanks so much
Thank you 🥰
Hi Shaun Attwood, I'm very pleased to see and ear you again with that deep humanity that had stricken me when I discovered you (on Lady C channel then on your own one). Deep humanity in your voice, your eyes, together with an understanding, a generosity and joy only seen in people who have suffered as hell. Wish you the best, the same to Fran.
Thanks for listening
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What a terrific guest Fran is❤, and such an informative video!!!
I could listen all day!
Thank you Shaun and Congratulations to you and Jen on your brand new little one, Ziggy!!!
Take good care!!!
Hugs from Saanich British Columbia 👋🇨🇦
Great video Shaun Lowe your guests they are so Interesting thank you
Glad you like them!
Fran comes across as decent person. If they made gear legal it would remove the criminal element. The pull of big money to escape being working poor is real. Letby is a monster hopefully she gets some con justice. Few people deserve it as much as that thing.
T; That thing.......very apt!!!
"if they made gear legal" Are you really calling for class A drugs to be made legal? I can't see that ever happening. It would lead to a vast increase in the number of addicts if they can legally buy drugs whenever they want and when their money runs out they would turn to crime to feed their habit. It's bad enough now, we don't need thousands more addicts on our streets. Far from removing the criminal element it would make it far worse.
@@BoingBBit’s already worse if the addicts got there fix from a licenced pharmacy and not a dealer they could be be properly treated and weaned off it. Making it legal would drastically reduce the price and remove the criminal element to it. The current policy doesn’t work, people with childhood trauma self medicate with drugs and end up committing crimes to feed there habits. They need proper treatment and support to work through there problems not to be criminalised.the government could charge tax on it and create more revenue to provide better facilities for these people. Alcohol is far worse than any other drug, you don’t want to fight the world on e,s you will after 5 cans of Stella. USA has legalised weed, no -ones up in arms about that.
Thank you 🥰
Lucy Letby was young and had an important job. She had good parents and it appeared she had friends. She could travel and have a good life. She through it all away. She was a nurse but she didn't see her own mental health issues and get treatment. No one saw the monster she is. She was a healthcare provider but didn't take care of her own needs.
Narcissistic psychopaths like her don’t think anything is wrong with them and do not seek therapy unless they’re forced to.
Very compelling, Shaun : thank you. Like many others I am most disturbed by the LL case. Fran was responsive and informative.
I may be a do-gooder but I genuinely think people like this need to be protected and their brains truly studied. As much as she did is not okay. Squishing her like an ant won't help with future proofing and early diagnosis, or staff hiring in the future. I'm in no way sympathetic but this is twice now and more needs to be done in the way diagnosing at school level or in job interviews at the least..
it is more than twice to be fair, child predators pick Churches, Scouts, Cadets, Schools etc, people like her are drawn towards the medical profession.
That's all very well. But we don't learn anything. It'll happen again with the same reaction.
I understand your point of view, but no amount of psychanalysis or studying the brain will bring any further understanding of, what makes a person like Lucy Letby do what she did. The human psyche is an enigma, beyond our grasp and comprehension, and always will be.
@@patriciaclarke-g1i Like every other organ of the body! We are closer to understanding the brain than we are the skin! One point in history your appendix was believed to be your 'soul' . Breakthroughs are made all the time but without living specimens it's very hard especially with the brain!. I suggest reading some books written by doctors on the subject.
@@marieannwalsh662 It will happen again because of the persons mind state be it nature or nurture people like this walk among us and in my opinion they need help. She was also young and scrawled the words help. I am NOT justifying just if she had been spotted earlier it could have been avoided. We still have much to learn and everything isn't black or white.
All the best fran and thank you for your input 😊👍
Thank you ❤
That was very interesting and thank you Fran for your honesty. What I did find interesting was when Fran was asked if she would have committed her crime in a foreign country where the prison regime might be tougher and she said no. Doesn't that not suggest that the UK prison system is not much of a deterrent and should be tougher?
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Really happy for you having a little one coming soon and you got out of the hell in the USA and got to have a fresh start. Really happy for Fran too. People make mistakes but they can change and they do still deserve to be happy again in the future.
I think Fran is referring to Maireid (wife of mick philpott) at the end. Really enjoyed this interview amd will be giving Frans channel a follow! 😊
Ha ha yeah that’s the one but she changed her name in prison. Thanks for subscribing ❤
Sorry that was a specific video i last watched lol, not her channel link! She's called Christina Randall
Rampton is NOT a prison !!! It's a HOSPITAL. The same as Broadmoor & Ashworth.
Wishing Fran the best in changing her life around
Prison isn't just about punishment but rehabilitation
Thank you ❤
The lightbulb thing is that they grind up the glass of the light bulb to a fine powder, if its added to food it's practically untraceable. It causes massive internal bleeding and eventual death. As far as I know it is not survivable even with hospitalisation.
Beverly Allitt was the Angel of Death she killed 4 infants and tried to kill 3 others in 1991.She is in Rampton.
Yes. My oldest son was born in 94, and I was terrified of leaving my baby in the nursery at the hospital, and insisted he stay in my room with me because of that case. Most horrid and morbid crime ever. I seriously can’t understand how this one was able to get away with is for so long💔
People need to be better educated I think. A “degree” I think makes some people think they know everything 🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️ 💔
@@pickle9753 They had suspicions 8 years ago back in 2015 but l suppose they had to prove it which is horrendous as those beautiful babies died,she tried with 6 more.Its not quite the same but we have a hospital where lots of babies died (201) l know if l,had been pregnant l would have refused to go there.l refuse to go there now anyway imagine if someone like Letby had worked there.She certainly has her parents and even friends fooled as they don't believe she did it.!!!! She's evil personified.
She has a recognised mental health illness, which is why rampton . With Carstairs patients who are deemed less dangerous will be moved to a non nhs facility or a medium level nhs facility somewhere in Scotland.. She might get access to education to do approved short courses
I also blame the hospital for this. Allowing other babies to die so they can compile more evidence is sickening, and stupid of them. They basically enabled her for 8 years, when police should have been doing an investigation after the first baby died suspiciously.
This is what actually happened here. I did private investigating back in my 20s, and I am so extremely confused why there is not a Camera video recording every nursery in every hospital on the entire planet?!?! Our most vulnerable and valuable on the planet, are not protected with video surveillance??? What???
That was back in the 90s that the angel of death killed those babies. If cameras would’ve been Issued as standard practice across-the-board after that case, this one would never have gotten past the first, or second death. Also why is there no camera in the medication room monitoring who is taking drugs out of the fridge? I was under the impression that was also standard practice in every hospital?? How many doctors or nursing staff have been caught stealing meds to feed their own addictions? The camera monitoring meds should be issued for those security reasons alone. 😳 Or at least a ID scanner to verify who is even opening the refrigerator filled with meds. We have the tech…..for many many years now ffs. GAS STATIONS HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS BUT A HOSPITAL NURSERY DOESN’T 😳🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️ I’m so heart broken and angry about this case. Shame on that hospital for not involving police immediately. When it comes to kids safety, every one’s “feelings” can go fuck them selves…protecting the kids and babies comes first, and police should have been called. They should be doing jail time right beside her in my opinion. I have Zero sympathy for those idiots.
If I was those parents, I’d be suing that hospital till I was dead.
All that education they have, and they still lack common sense and decency.
@@pamelaadam9207 she should not be awarded with free education, and should now spend 14 hour days digging ditches till she collapses exhausted at the end of every day. Or gardening and growing food for her community, all day out in the sun doing back breaking labour. She should be forced to contribute every ounce of her energy to public service and bettering her community she lives in…till she is dead. She should have zero comforts and luxuries any more in life. Eat, sleep, work, repeat..till she is dead. Why not? That’s how most survive in the real world, who are not horrific murderers, so why does she get special treatment and privileges handed to her? Because she is “human”?? 😳😳 I’m not sure if I even believe that 😳
Her getting free education now, pisses me off. THATS NOT FAIR! My sons and I worked their asses off to pay for their education..wtf?!?! So does every one else! 😳 many can’t ever even afford to educate them selves, regardless how hard they keep trying, and want it 💔
THIS is why I isolate, and vote alien take over now 😳🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️
Humans mainly just piss me off 🤦♀️
Ty so much for your insight Fran.
I’ve heard loads about male prison, not not so much about woman’s prison
great interview.
thanks shaun & fran.
This is fascinating Shaun, will subscribe to Fran I've watched this one
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Lucy Letby lived at 41 Westbourne Road. If you look on google maps the childrens plot at the county cemetery and crematorium is directly behind the house. Eerie af
Wooaaah!!!!!??
her bedroom overlooked the baby section of the cemetery
Her house has now been pixelated on Google street view.
@@tropicalpalmtree no chance! I found that fact very disturbing.
Hello Shaun, wondering what Ziggy is up to .... yes about Letby she will be lucky to remain alive ... great interview hi Fran
In my opinion Letby is not the type of person that can deal with jail she'll always play the victim card poor little Lucy. I bet she was spoilt as a child and worshiped by her parents like she could never do anything wrong. I also think her parents or one of them is a narcissist.
"The Golden Child" often the most cruel and evil people you'd ever meet.
Life in prison sounds better than many peoples lives outside of prison. See all those living on the streets of India, no electricity, no showers, going hungry. Her prison life seems a lot better.
Don't be such a clown!!
I've known at least one woman who got herself sent down, just to get a roof over her head, and regular meals. It was really sad
I'd rather die in a ditch than go to prison!
Don't say India, in Kerala state the quality of India is better than most developed countries. Have you visited Kerala state? Your north india must be a garbage dump, don't say other states are like that. And don't humilate people of India, there are millions of people who are rich but very lonely and sad in the developed countries.
Really interesting, thanks guys , wishing Fran all the best , have subscribed to her you tube channel ❤x
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We have had a bad experience with the same hospital. No one listens and no one can win against them as they cover for themselves. Ruining lives. Disgraceful countess of Chester hospital
Brilliant podcast, I’ve been in Holloway to brozefield prison and downview all I all 34 times now all for shop lifting. I’ve seen it all everything from murder to peods
Nice one Shaun, that was super interesting.. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Love this, Fran is so interesting to listen to
Excellent interview .. thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Not being funny but baby killers deserve everything they get in prison,how can anyone have any sorrow for Lucy in any shape or form,my heart goes out to the victims (RIP ) and there families.
You’re in for a rude awakening in the very near future. Evil planet with evil doings.
Really good show, Fran was very interesting to listen to.
Best wishes for you, Jen and young Master Ziggy.
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In Australia there was a high profile case of a 13yr old boy who was kidnapped raped and murdered. But before the perp was caught the child was missing for years. The police did some crazy sting to catch him, he was already a convicted pedophile and hated by the country. So in prison he had boiling hot water thrown on him. And I don’t think there’s a person in this country who would blame a prison for something like that happening. Infact the prisoners deserve a public service award.
These people shouldn’t be in protection, the same way these children weren’t afforded any mercy by them.
Your talking about daniel morcombe and yes the undercover detectives that did that case were absolutely amazing. How they infuriated a crime gang and got into there way of life for over a year to get the killer was unbelievable. They made a mini series on it on a streaming platform. The killer was attacked by a fellow inmate and you could actually hear Australia cheer in the news and media. His parents were tortured by his death and for years had no closure they started a foundation for missing children
@Shaun Attwood we watched Raving Arizona on Banged up abroad, and it was our favourite episode 😁. Was thrilled to see you had a podcast channel, you've had some amazing guests- I said to my husband - 'the The Raving Arizona dude has a TH-cam channel!' Have a great bank holiday weekend 👌😎
Glad you enjoyed it!
Is that Arizona , Lancashire?
I learned a lot from this vlog. Best wishes to both of you for your successful futures x
What a great guest..thanks for sharing 👌🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
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This was excellent fran u are the best ❤❤xx
Awe thank you 🥰🥰🥰🥰
This explains why Brady was always on hunger strike he didn't trust any food. What a shame 🤥
Brady went on 'hunger' strikes to manipulate people for his pleasure
Have subscribed to you and Fran! Thank you - love true crime and listening about prison culture x
Letby is in Durham
There is a mixture of single cell, double cell and triple cell.
Because of her high profile infamy she’ll be in single cell protected.
Shaun can you post a link to the banged up abroad episode? I watched it a few years ago - one of the most gripping documentaries ive seen!
its on nat geo no link
@@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL, cheers!
Really educational, thank you Fran for your insight, also the presenter is very good. Lucy Letby's crimes were awful, but other criminals punishing her with physical violence etc isn't acceptable. They also don't know if LL has a mental health disorder. She needs protection and against self harm.
Exactly true
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new subscriber, love your channel...excellent videos, great content, thanks for posting :)
46:39 whats crazy is that in prison visits, other prisoners families will be aloud to bring children with them 😮 i hope they never let letby in the visitor room same time as children are there
That's silly. She kills more strategically than that.
Thanks for such a fascinating, no frills insight into what prison is like. You should be proud of yourself as you have turned your life around and educated us all.
The way Fran pronounces "jail" is the most British thing I've ever heard. If she said that in a Walmart, it would turn into a Tesco.
Thank you for interviewing a woman ❤
Super interesting....❤️
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Enjoyed the insight. Thanks Fran.
Very impressed by FRAN the way she speaks so well and how she has found herself and now successfully leading a good life well done Fran.
Very interesting interview, artculate lady good to hear she is doing well now
What Lucy and All of us need is help to learn about why and how cruel, dissociated Lucy's behaviour was.
Wherever others were responsible for ignoring red flags, or worse driving harm regarding the poor babies, they must be stopped from allowing or causing harm.
Too many groups of people are responsible for the crimes associated with harm of babies, children, vulnerable adults.
These groups share psychopathology, beliefs, dissociation with pain they inflict.
They organise themselves and others to do harm and hide evidence and silence people.
This case in general is focussed on Lucy who obviously should have been stopped and understood to protect the children.
Lucy clearly at least suffered and inflicted suffering on the basis of trauma in her own early life..with Dissociation Identity disorder and Social isolation in terms of anyone who cared for or even knew her.
Prison must not do more harm.
We must learn from people who harm others, why.
Problem is that the worst and most dangerous people connected with these'bizarre people fade into the background and the prisoner is the scapegoat.
Protecting babies and children, vulnerable adults from harm is top priority.
Punishment and reward are tacky torturous.
Mental health must be cared for an protection and care
must be priority.
🙏🙏to all the Families who lost their beautiful babies 🙏💔 NQUI is a unit of the most vulnerable babies 😢where the Staff work extremely above and beyond with both babies &Parents 🙏🙏
Good whatch shaun fran also was great to listen to keep it going love all of what you do❤ xxx
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Love that Katie Price's ex husband Alex Reid pops up and asks a question. I'm forever shocked that she's (still !) not been put in prison!
Why should Katie price be in jail?
@@JAGUARWright-Johnson-mn8mxI know what's that about?