Watch our podcast with Fran: th-cam.com/video/2pYWzxskjLQ/w-d-xo.html Fran's links: TH-cam th-cam.com/channels/61LTeJ7_G0Yrq9gL4Hs12A.html Insta: instagram.com/ex_female_prisoner?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= FB: facebook.com/francesca.fattore.568 Twitter: twitter.com/birdsdoing?t=MEkCR5AJEPaStuH5QbgeAg&s=08 TikTok: vm.tiktok.com/ZMLwW1vpJ/ FB: facebook.com/Birdsdoingbird-103804575680336/ In business with violent drug gangs in Reading, Fran is arrested, but the craziness on the streets is nothing compared to the mayhem of a women's prison.
I've never been in trouble with the law, but I like listening to people's experiences in prisons. I'm subbed to Fran, Christina Randall and After Prison Show. It's made me think of prisoners differently (well, the ones that show remorse and want to warn others) and it makes me feel really grateful for my freedom. I like hearing about people turning their lives around. I hope good things come to Fran, she seems to be a good person.
Same thing will happen in heaven when a person completes his sentence in hell and is finally granted heaven. the people of heaven will gather around and ask what's it like in hell genuinely and eager to listen.
@R.S Howell And that's because, deep inside, crime and prison turns you on, and that's fine, because female prisoners will take a cute girl like you and make you their girlfriend, one way or the other 😅😅 Just playing around, sex offenders are disliked and abused in prison... But don't look at criminals with "rose-tinted glasses" or they will think you are soft and take advantage of you. I don't think that you realize how superficial, phony and cunning human beings are 😄
There's not real justice for horrific crimes in this country 😔how can a pot dealer get Years behind the door, and a child monster gets much less time? 😔 sad state of affairs
The massive sentence for mother and daughter (2 people were murdered thus 2 consecutive life sentences of x15 years) are absolutely spot on. The father/husband now knows of his wife’s affair, wife and daughter incarcerated for 30+ years and worst of all 2 young men have lost their lives. Absolute madness, but justice has prevailed and the vacuous evil pair are rightfully where they deserve to be 👏🏻
I’m so glad they have started to give people massive sentences, but they need to start giving them to child killers/rapists , not that I think the mother & daughter got a long sentence for what they did because they deserve what they got but yes they need them to be handed to people like unis spry & all the other women like her in the news lately, thank you both 😊
There was a Muslim honour killing here in Kingston, Ontario, Canada. He killed his 3 daughters because he thought they were becoming too "Westernized". His name is Shafia.
I like you Shaun and people like Fran because during my young hood I was simply lucky as nothing too bad happened to me. I lost a job and suiffered but I was never deprived of my freedom. So I just think I was lucky. I have been married for over 20 years and have 3 teenage boys and I “turned” my life around because I got scared about the bad things were happening to me and I stopped in time. So I don’t like judging people on the basis of how socially acceptable their lives seem. Sometimes we pay such a heavy price for silly mistakes so it is part of life. But these evil people who end up having a nearly easy life in jail is baffling. That might have a sad story to tell but I know many people who had a difficult life they did’n’t all end up killing babies or neglecting their kids … so they must take their responsibility to be taken seriously about being regretful. This last case didn’t even turn up to face the music at sentencing… no regret there…
I've just put this on so haven't heard what you said yet but my thoughts when I saw this story was that the sentences were extremely severe. The lad was blackmailing them for starters. Which gives extenuating circumstances. They didn't set out to murder them I don't think. There was a message about giving them a beating. Their minimum terms are over 30 years. Most honour killing committed in this country, where the perpetrators actually set out to kill the victims, only have minimum sentences of around 20 years. It seems to me that these women have been dealt with much more severely just by the fact they are women or something. It stinks in my eyes. I'm not condoning what they did. And I think the sentences would be ok if other perpetrator's were given as severe sentences but something seems off about this to me. Seems that Asian men can kill Asian women with more impunity than Asian women can kill Asian men.
How can you call it an honour killing? She cheated on her husband and then got other people to deal with it when shit hit the fan. And they both lied when questioned and thought they were going to be believed. There's no honour there at all
@@UMBBeAsTz I didn't call it an honour killing. I was comparing the sentences to the sentences of honour killings. These murders, although tragic, were not premeditated like the vast majority of honour killings. Yet the minimum terms for these ladies are longer than any minimum terms I have seen for any perpetrators of honour killings.
@@An_Draoi it’s because the powers that be have been brainwashing and manipulating everyone for years using influences and internet propaganda if someone else has a go they lose control hence the strong penalty
Yeah I don't think what these 2 women did is anyway near as evil as honour killings or even child abuse which I never have understood most these child abusers get released after few months and continue to re offend again and again....obviously what these women did was wrong but I really don't think they intended for any one to loose their life's.. .I definitely think the media have sensationalized this case putting so much emphasis on the fact she was a social media influencer which off course now everyone has a pre judged opinion on them its abit fucked really just shows how easily manipulated society its like we have this weird sense of patriarchy or something like that maybe not sure what the right word would be lol
So much wrong in this case… 40 odd year old woman having a sexual affair with a 17 year old. He was in love with her and was so immature he thought bribing her would make her reconsider being with him. Also if my mum needed help and was being threatened with revenge porn I’d definitely support her….. by going to the police and getting him charged! The mum in this holds the most culpability! RIP to those lads… so sad!
I think he was hurting and he wanted to hurt her back. But this is why for 1 if you married don't cheat and secondly a fourty odd year old shouldn't see 17 year olds.
There was no blackmail involved !!! They didn't prove any threatening txt messages or WhatsApp messages . It was story that was made up !!!. The lad wanted the money he had spent on his milf . He actually made a list an breakdown for all he had spent on her .. ie hotels and gifts . 3000 pound is not much of a blackmail is it ????. Mahek spun that story !!!!. They chased the car and then rammed it off the road to make it look like an accident but they didn't know the lad had phoned the police !!!!.
I cannot imagine getting a whole life tarrif and knowing then that how ever good you are or what ever you do to change you are never going home again…… I know I wouldn’t be able to live with that
Your precise pronunciation of the kh in their names is super. The mother groomed the bf when he was only 19 years old. I believe it is the feeling of being used and abused that left the bf with anxiety and resentment. Although he was unholy and unwise I can't help but feel sorry for him.
A lot of the present laws were brought out during Victorian era I've been told in the past. When child abuse was unheard of and kept behind closed doors, the laws need reforming that's what needs to be brought to the powers that be. There was no law against sexual assault within marriage untill early 90s. For instance
Hiya fran and Shaun,I've done time.fran your a star,but let's be honest l,drugs are the worst things in the system at the mo.they cause so much hurt and damage.seem it,lived it and I'm asked to have also participated in at as well.well done ti you fir changing ya life around x
Imo the reason for the high sentences is “WE use the internet tell you what to do and NOBODY else”!they have to be strong on this moving forward or their plans won’t work. No wonder these followers were easily manipulated after the last few years of being told what to do online (and then still one finger one thumb keep moving.) this high sentence indicates that they are aware that their shenanigans are going to have far reaching repercussions
Although the sentences are high as 2 people have lost their lives and extremely serious, this case is bizarre in many ways. It seems that it was not real and fictitious but of course it is not. This seems to set out a message that people cannot do what they want and try to get away with it. The mother was being blackmailed and most people would relate to that and it is sort of natural to protect your mum too, but to set out and try to sort it out in this manner is not right, what were they thinking I cannot comprehend. The outcome has been a disaster for all of them, what a totall waste of precious lives.
The maximum sentence a judge can give for these crimes against the vulnerable, needs putting ahead of crimes caused by poverty iny eyes , drugs offences are due to self medicating a bad situation usually or due to poverty one way or other same as non payment of fine they shouldn't be inside , In my eyes. Make room for those not reformable fixable and are harmful to society should never leave ever .
Unlike Lucy, Mehek and Ansreen will have it much easier. A majority of the inmates they’ll be with will probably be majority white. Put it bluntly they aren’t going to give a shit about murders or essentially a culture that isn’t theirs to begin with. Also I need to iterate this because it’s important to understand, it is NOT an *Islamic* thing, it is a *Pakistani* thing. Not every Muslim is automatically south Asian, you have muslims from all walks of life for example, Muslims in Japan and East Asian countries. They may be Muslims but at the end of the day they have their own unique culture.
The one thing that is not mentioned is the motive for the blachmail the young lad wanted to call the affair off but the woman did not take rejection well and as a result off that started to harrass the young lad through threatning calls and messaging, and thats what drove him to blackmail. He was trying to do the sensible thing and call it off.
You have got it all arse about face 😂. The mother wanted to end their affair ( he probably called it a relationship) it was the young lad who was blackmailing her. He was threatening to send her husband sex tapes of her and he wanted £3000 which he said he brought her presents with it.
i cannot understand why the woman didnt just admit to having an affair....whats the worse that could have happened, as opposed to what has actually happened. great podcast Shaun...total legend
Because, in their culture, cheating is one of the worst offences that you can commit, women have been killed because of it! Also, the guy she was having an affair with was 17 years old, allegedly, and he tried to blackmail her or extort her, I'm not sure. I understand why the daughter felt like this guy had to die 🤔
@Fran ...after this case , I trust the UK legal system however what r the chances of All of them appealing and getting lesser time ? Does HMP have access to social media coz Mahek " may b " inclined 2 carry on being tik tok Inn Sider In fluencer ! Hahahahaha
This was an unbelievable set of circumstances. The daughter clearly had an inflated ego and thought she could click her fingers and people will do her bidding. They were daft to listen to her. All she did was wiggle in front of a camera pulling stupid expressions and wearing layers of makeup. A proper job would have been better. This is where bad parenting leads to narcissistic and entitled kids. They will all have plenty of time to reflect on their actions. The guy at the centre of this wasnt exactly innocent by using revenge porn to get his way. That was pretty awful too.
I have to admit that I think its not right what she said about lifers! You can only ever talk about your own experiences, dont judge, especially not in that situation because everyone ends up in prison for different reasons and everyone got their own issues!
Gossip and hearsay convicted Lucy on Social Media, I think she was gaslit by four doctors who provided complex medical care to the babies and blamed Lucy possibly for their failings. One who is never off television was asked during the trial about why he never took serious or documented the rashes on the tiny babies and he excused the insertion of drains etc moving around when blood was found, on a natural occurrence with such a procedure.
The ex lover who got revenge couldve been dealing with a narcissistic or psychopath in this morher. It sounds harsh getting revenge so he really couldve gone through hell with her. Not right this pair! My heart goes out to all the victims.
Yep morals are backwards in there!! Yes i agree with Fran but i think the geeks may take her under her wing. 🤔 ive been there seen it just like fran, great to see you on Shauns channel xx
The guy doesn't exactly sound like a good person either, blackmail and what? brings his baby to a potentially hostile situation. I think these sentences are quite excessive tbh. Sounds like man slaughter not murder.
They'll most probably be in the same jail alot. It's common for codefendants with similar sentences. The system will be able to watch and report on how they behave together
There was a mention of disgrace to the family when a Muslim person is adultering but I feel it is disgraceful for any family when a person's behaving like this grooming woman.
I dont agree what thsy have done but thay will give someone who killed two woman and a dog and raped one of them after death and he hot 27 years how is that
If they were attempting to run them off the road at full speed that was attempt to murder them. So the crime was as serious as the penalty given. It should be life for life but since that punishment wasn't on the table, what everyone got was fair enough.
There was no blackmail involved . The mother was seeing another guy as well . The young lad being naive had been taken for a ride by the so called milf . When she dumped him he wanted the money back that he had spent on her !!!!. The threats are what has been made up by the mother and daughter . He had told his sister he was getting his money back and she had told him to let it go !!!. There was no blackmail involved !!! The mother had agreed to reimburse the lad for the 3,000 . The lads went to collect the money !!!. Thats when shit hit the fan .
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In business with violent drug gangs in Reading, Fran is arrested, but the craziness on the streets is nothing compared to the mayhem of a women's prison.
What’s her tic toc name ? The link for me doesn’t go to her page just to tic toc
I've never been in trouble with the law, but I like listening to people's experiences in prisons. I'm subbed to Fran, Christina Randall and After Prison Show. It's made me think of prisoners differently (well, the ones that show remorse and want to warn others) and it makes me feel really grateful for my freedom.
I like hearing about people turning their lives around. I hope good things come to Fran, she seems to be a good person.
Thank you ❤
Fran is definitely a great person ❤️
I love Fran and Christina ❤❤
Same thing will happen in heaven when a person completes his sentence in hell and is finally granted heaven. the people of heaven will gather around and ask what's it like in hell genuinely and eager to listen.
@R.S Howell
And that's because, deep inside, crime and prison turns you on, and that's fine, because female prisoners will take a cute girl like you and make you their girlfriend, one way or the other 😅😅
Just playing around, sex offenders are disliked and abused in prison...
But don't look at criminals with "rose-tinted glasses" or they will think you are soft and take advantage of you.
I don't think that you realize how superficial, phony and cunning human beings are 😄
Absolutely love Fran, thanks for getting her back.
Our pleasure!
Awe thank you ❤
...love Fran. Thank you for having her back Shaun ❤
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There's not real justice for horrific crimes in this country 😔how can a pot dealer get Years behind the door, and a child monster gets much less time? 😔 sad state of affairs
Pretty messed up. :/
Because the judges sentencing are nonces
The massive sentence for mother and daughter (2 people were murdered thus 2 consecutive life sentences of x15 years) are absolutely spot on. The father/husband now knows of his wife’s affair, wife and daughter incarcerated for 30+ years and worst of all 2 young men have lost their lives. Absolute madness, but justice has prevailed and the vacuous evil pair are rightfully where they deserve to be 👏🏻
I’m so glad they have started to give people massive sentences, but they need to start giving them to child killers/rapists , not that I think the mother & daughter got a long sentence for what they did because they deserve what they got but yes they need them to be handed to people like unis spry & all the other women like her in the news lately, thank you both 😊
I have alot of respect for Fran. I appreciate her humility.
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Love Fran it proves how genuine she is I sent her a message & got a reply which proves she responds 2 her followers ❤
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me too, lovely girl.
Glad to see fran back. Great speaker 👍
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"mentored" by Kate Middleton? Come on now Shaun! Meeting somebody for a few minutes does not equate to being mentored by them!!
I agree, but we don’t know if they had contact subsequently.
I’m her cousin lol, she did get mentored by Kate Middleton 👍🏻
loving your channel, thanks for posting worthy videos :) Fran's has a lot of wisdom.. will sub to her channel as well..
Thank you ❤
Love Fran! You can just tell she’s a top chick
Awe thanks ❤
The mugshot of the mother though 😂 omg what was that dude thinking
Those teeth poking out the resting mouth can get some people really going 😂 the ogre look
I think Fran is a very genuine person, she comes across so well.
Agreed 💯! Has a good spirit. 😊
Yes she comes over like she really has learned a tough lesson and wants to just live a good life now,I really wish her well
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There was a Muslim honour killing here in Kingston, Ontario, Canada. He killed his 3 daughters because he thought they were becoming too "Westernized". His name is Shafia.
I like you Shaun and people like Fran because during my young hood I was simply lucky as nothing too bad happened to me. I lost a job and suiffered but I was never deprived of my freedom. So I just think I was lucky. I have been married for over 20 years and have 3 teenage boys and I “turned” my life around because I got scared about the bad things were happening to me and I stopped in time. So I don’t like judging people on the basis of how socially acceptable their lives seem.
Sometimes we pay such a heavy price for silly mistakes so it is part of life. But these evil people who end up having a nearly easy life in jail is baffling. That might have a sad story to tell but I know many people who had a difficult life they did’n’t all end up killing babies or neglecting their kids … so they must take their responsibility to be taken seriously about being regretful. This last case didn’t even turn up to face the music at sentencing… no regret there…
I've just put this on so haven't heard what you said yet but my thoughts when I saw this story was that the sentences were extremely severe. The lad was blackmailing them for starters. Which gives extenuating circumstances. They didn't set out to murder them I don't think. There was a message about giving them a beating.
Their minimum terms are over 30 years.
Most honour killing committed in this country, where the perpetrators actually set out to kill the victims, only have minimum sentences of around 20 years. It seems to me that these women have been dealt with much more severely just by the fact they are women or something.
It stinks in my eyes.
I'm not condoning what they did. And I think the sentences would be ok if other perpetrator's were given as severe sentences but something seems off about this to me.
Seems that Asian men can kill Asian women with more impunity than Asian women can kill Asian men.
How can you call it an honour killing? She cheated on her husband and then got other people to deal with it when shit hit the fan. And they both lied when questioned and thought they were going to be believed. There's no honour there at all
@@UMBBeAsTz I didn't call it an honour killing. I was comparing the sentences to the sentences of honour killings. These murders, although tragic, were not premeditated like the vast majority of honour killings. Yet the minimum terms for these ladies are longer than any minimum terms I have seen for any perpetrators of honour killings.
the perpetrator's should also get life and Asian men who murder Asian women should also get life
@@An_Draoi it’s because the powers that be have been brainwashing and manipulating everyone for years using influences and internet propaganda if someone else has a go they lose control hence the strong penalty
Yeah I don't think what these 2 women did is anyway near as evil as honour killings or even child abuse which I never have understood most these child abusers get released after few months and continue to re offend again and again....obviously what these women did was wrong but I really don't think they intended for any one to loose their life's.. .I definitely think the media have sensationalized this case putting so much emphasis on the fact she was a social media influencer which off course now everyone has a pre judged opinion on them its abit fucked really just shows how easily manipulated society its like we have this weird sense of patriarchy or something like that maybe not sure what the right word would be lol
So much wrong in this case… 40 odd year old woman having a sexual affair with a 17 year old. He was in love with her and was so immature he thought bribing her would make her reconsider being with him. Also if my mum needed help and was being threatened with revenge porn I’d definitely support her….. by going to the police and getting him charged!
The mum in this holds the most culpability!
RIP to those lads… so sad!
I think he was hurting and he wanted to hurt her back. But this is why for 1 if you married don't cheat and secondly a fourty odd year old shouldn't see 17 year olds.
There was no blackmail involved !!! They didn't prove any threatening txt messages or WhatsApp messages . It was story that was made up !!!. The lad wanted the money he had spent on his milf . He actually made a list an breakdown for all he had spent on her .. ie hotels and gifts . 3000 pound is not much of a blackmail is it ????. Mahek spun that story !!!!. They chased the car and then rammed it off the road to make it look like an accident but they didn't know the lad had phoned the police !!!!.
Brilliant video Shaun. Fran is awesome. So glad I found your channel
I cannot imagine getting a whole life tarrif and knowing then that how ever good you are or what ever you do to change you are never going home again…… I know I wouldn’t be able to live with that
Ziggy is everything shaun well done to mummy 💙
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Thank you 🥰
Was waiting for this video 😮
Your precise pronunciation of the kh in their names is super. The mother groomed the bf when he was only 19 years old. I believe it is the feeling of being used and abused that left the bf with anxiety and resentment. Although he was unholy and unwise I can't help but feel sorry for him.
I'm tempted to write 'first' but I'm too mature for that so will now watch the video.
You'd have been 2nd anyway mate. 3rd if including Shawn's pinned one 😂
nah that doesn't dictate one's maturity. Write it anyway. It shows you're one of those early notification viewers
* Shauns*
those who read timestamps can see you were first, but I am too mature to correct others 😉
My bad, long past my bedtime 🤦♂️
I think the petrol bomb attack case was Courtney Brierley and 2 males in Salford
A lot of the present laws were brought out during Victorian era I've been told in the past. When child abuse was unheard of and kept behind closed doors, the laws need reforming that's what needs to be brought to the powers that be. There was no law against sexual assault within marriage untill early 90s. For instance
Good as always, your interview skills are top class
Love all what you do shaun been really great with fran you are fab shaun love it all❤❤❤ well done fran also xxxz
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Hiya fran and Shaun,I've done time.fran your a star,but let's be honest l,drugs are the worst things in the system at the mo.they cause so much hurt and damage.seem it,lived it and I'm asked to have also participated in at as well.well done ti you fir changing ya life around x
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Not close to me in high Wycombe slough crazy stuff what the heck is going on with people ☘️🤓💯👍rip to the lads that died 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Hello Shaun & Fran 😊Great video again 👍The sentences are crazy. Needs looked into 🙄
Thanks! 😃
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Women’s prisons are different than Mens. Rose West runs her wing, Fred didn’t run his before he did himself.
Imo the reason for the high sentences is “WE use the internet tell you what to do and NOBODY else”!they have to be strong on this moving forward or their plans won’t work. No wonder these followers were easily manipulated after the last few years of being told what to do online (and then still one finger one thumb keep moving.) this high sentence indicates that they are aware that their shenanigans are going to have far reaching repercussions
I hear you. THEY……👍🏻
One of those scumbags had already been arrested for being a rapist.
Awesomeness again ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much 😀
Listening to this.I now know why the aliens haven’t landed, “ Sod this for a game of soldiers,Too violent!
Have a lot of respect for Fran admire her so much
Although the sentences are high as 2 people have lost their lives and extremely serious, this case is bizarre in many ways. It seems that it was not real and fictitious but of course it is not. This seems to set out a message that people cannot do what they want and try to get away with it. The mother was being blackmailed and most people would relate to that and it is sort of natural to protect your mum too, but to set out and try to sort it out in this manner is not right, what were they thinking I cannot comprehend. The outcome has been a disaster for all of them, what a totall waste of precious lives.
I have great respect for Fran, she tells it as it is
she is great, please sub to her channel
she gives her opinion that is about it@@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL
The maximum sentence a judge can give for these crimes against the vulnerable, needs putting ahead of crimes caused by poverty iny eyes , drugs offences are due to self medicating a bad situation usually or due to poverty one way or other same as non payment of fine they shouldn't be inside , In my eyes. Make room for those not reformable fixable and are harmful to society should never leave ever .
Unlike Lucy, Mehek and Ansreen will have it much easier. A majority of the inmates they’ll be with will probably be majority white. Put it bluntly they aren’t going to give a shit about murders or essentially a culture that isn’t theirs to begin with.
Also I need to iterate this because it’s important to understand, it is NOT an *Islamic* thing, it is a *Pakistani* thing. Not every Muslim is automatically south Asian, you have muslims from all walks of life for example, Muslims in Japan and East Asian countries. They may be Muslims but at the end of the day they have their own unique culture.
The one thing that is not mentioned is the motive for the blachmail the young lad wanted to call the affair off but the woman did not take rejection well and as a result off that started to harrass the young lad through threatning calls and messaging, and thats what drove him to blackmail.
He was trying to do the sensible thing and call it off.
You have got it all arse about face 😂. The mother wanted to end their affair ( he probably called it a relationship) it was the young lad who was blackmailing her. He was threatening to send her husband sex tapes of her and he wanted £3000 which he said he brought her presents with it.
i cannot understand why the woman didnt just admit to having an affair....whats the worse that could have happened, as opposed to what has actually happened. great podcast Shaun...total legend
Because, in their culture, cheating is one of the worst offences that you can commit, women have been killed because of it!
Also, the guy she was having an affair with was 17 years old, allegedly, and he tried to blackmail her or extort her, I'm not sure.
I understand why the daughter felt like this guy had to die 🤔
@@thehighlander1945The daughter was abused by both of them in my opinion.
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Abused? In what way?
@Fran ...after this case , I trust the UK legal system however what r the chances of All of them appealing and getting lesser time ? Does HMP have access to social media coz Mahek " may b " inclined 2 carry on being tik tok Inn Sider In fluencer ! Hahahahaha
This was an unbelievable set of circumstances. The daughter clearly had an inflated ego and thought she could click her fingers and people will do her bidding. They were daft to listen to her. All she did was wiggle in front of a camera pulling stupid expressions and wearing layers of makeup. A proper job would have been better. This is where bad parenting leads to narcissistic and entitled kids. They will all have plenty of time to reflect on their actions. The guy at the centre of this wasnt exactly innocent by using revenge porn to get his way. That was pretty awful too.
I have to admit that I think its not right what she said about lifers! You can only ever talk about your own experiences, dont judge, especially not in that situation because everyone ends up in prison for different reasons and everyone got their own issues!
How pissed off would you be with your wife
He stood by them aswell!
Gossip and hearsay convicted Lucy on Social Media, I think she was gaslit by four doctors who provided complex medical care to the babies and blamed Lucy possibly for their failings. One who is never off television was asked during the trial about why he never took serious or documented the rashes on the tiny babies and he excused the insertion of drains etc moving around when blood was found, on a natural occurrence with such a procedure.
@Fran what r the chances that all 3 females r in the same HMP ? Or can eventually b 2 gather @ later stages during their time inn ?
Getting one person beaten by eight people was not premeditated murder.. I don't think so.
Thats crazy but u know what the way some of these followers are this does not suprise me at all
Not seen this horror image for about 10 days now. Then it pops up
The ex lover who got revenge couldve been dealing with a narcissistic or psychopath in this morher. It sounds harsh getting revenge so he really couldve gone through hell with her.
Not right this pair! My heart goes out to all the victims.
Can't believe her mother let all this happen
Yep morals are backwards in there!!
Yes i agree with Fran but i think the geeks may take her under her wing. 🤔 ive been there seen it just like fran, great to see you on Shauns channel xx
I agrued with one of the top dogs in a london jail as soon as i got there!!! Lol we shook hands at the end of my sentence 🤣 😅
Muslim view , She did have a choice though , Give the 3k out of your tik tok earnings . this as shamed them more then anything now
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Yep sugar coffee etc etc
He probably knew ppl wouldnt be happy because he knew he messed right up
The guy doesn't exactly sound like a good person either, blackmail and what? brings his baby to a potentially hostile situation. I think these sentences are quite excessive tbh. Sounds like man slaughter not murder.
How do they go with visits . Would they ever let them visit each other ?
They'll most probably be in the same jail alot. It's common for codefendants with similar sentences. The system will be able to watch and report on how they behave together
There was a mention of disgrace to the family when a Muslim person is adultering but I feel it is disgraceful for any family when a person's behaving like this grooming woman.
I dont agree what thsy have done but thay will give someone who killed two woman and a dog and raped one of them after death and he hot 27 years how is that
Fran the man lol 😆 😂 🤣 😎 🤪
the guy tried extortion and thus they invited trouble
Hi fran love you ❤
Does anyone know if this woman needs a good seeing to? Can travel there
What happened to you and Steeples mate? Matthew finally fell out with you?
We are going on tour announcement soon
These two are boring.
Jail for us women is just like a xrazy school ground lol
If they were attempting to run them off the road at full speed that was attempt to murder them. So the crime was as serious as the penalty given. It should be life for life but since that punishment wasn't on the table, what everyone got was fair enough.
thats some filters........jeez
It would get her mum killed aswell in that culture no doubt
Is that there mug shots?
Pretty disgusting for you to suggest/incite that Lucy should be brutalised in jail.
sounds like what trump did and is doing.
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Semi open can be B to D cat xx
There was no blackmail involved . The mother was seeing another guy as well . The young lad being naive had been taken for a ride by the so called milf . When she dumped him he wanted the money back that he had spent on her !!!!. The threats are what has been made up by the mother and daughter . He had told his sister he was getting his money back and she had told him to let it go !!!. There was no blackmail involved !!! The mother had agreed to reimburse the lad for the 3,000 . The lads went to collect the money !!!. Thats when shit hit the fan .