The MYSTERIOUS CONNECTION Between the Ancient Sheikah and Zonai | Tears of the Kingdom Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- **SPOILERS FOR THE STORY OF THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: TEARS OF THE KINGDOM**
Something was off when there was no sight or mention of the Ancient Sheikah in Tears of the Kingdom, after they had played such a prominent role in it's Prequel, Breath of the Wild. I have a theory that connects the two ancient people of both popular Zelda titles, that you aren't going to want to miss! I lay out all of the evidence that concludes that the Zonai and the Ancient Sheikah certainly had a relationship.
I want to acknowledge MonsterMaze's discord user MagicPixieDreamGirl, who was able to provide one of the most significant pieces of evidence to this video
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0:00 Introduction
1:50 Ancient Races
2:09 Ancient Shrines
3:10 The Eye and the Tear
3:45 Draconification
6:00 The Zonai Pillar and Sheikah Constellations
7:12 The Purah Pad
8:12 The Sage of Shadows
8:35 Spirit Temple Eye
8:41 Draconification (Pt 2)
9:03 Kakariko Village and the Ring Ruins
10:08 Mineru and the Ancient Sheikah
13:44 Thank you for Watching! - เกม
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While idk about all the details, I definitely agree that the Sheikah are connected to the Zonai. When a 5th sage was revealed I was so sure it was going to be Purah. She is the embodiment of Mineru's successor- they're both knowledgable/techy, similar in appearance with their half-closed eyelids and googles, and then everything you mentioned with the connection between the Sheikah and Zonai (eye symbolism, connection to spirit/shadow, etc). Also in the cutscene when all the sages figure out that there's another sage, right at the moment of realization the scene zooms in on Purah! To me it really felt like Purah was set up to be the final sage, and I wonder if the decision to make it Mineru was a last minute thing.
This was my thinking too while playing through the game. I really hope she gets to become a sage after Mineru leaves but I doubt we’ll ever see that happen.
My thinking was mineru because she was shown to be in the purah pad in the dragon tear cut scenes and was a sage in the past
Did the dragon tears before doing all the temples
she probably is the successor of mineru as the sage of spirit, since she is technically the equivalent of a present day mineru. it wasnt a last minute decision, since a whole dungeon and bossbattle, and shitmedeadwhatnot was set up. if we ever get a dlc, im pretty confident, that purah will be the bearer of minerus secret stone. given, that the story progresses a bit in that direction, ofc.
If no DLC comes out soon for the very purpose of confirming Purah as the new Spirit Sage my guess is that they'll leave that revelation for a _third_ game in the "Wild trilogy" which will wrap this Link and Zelda's storyline.
According to the games producer there aren't any plans for DLC as they think theres nothing new to add to that specific version of hyrule, that doesn't mean their opinion wont change though
I would add one thing that i noticed. The divine beasts helmets that you can get in a quest after completing the dungeons are said to be the same helmets the sages worn during the imprisoning war but these were zonaï helmets whereas the one you get are sheikas. My theory is that they are indeed the same helmets but the sheikas modified them afterwards and based their divine beasts out of the helmets to pay tribute to the sages.
Just wanted to point out that the mind's eye has been the Sheikah symbol since at least the time of Skyward Sword, if not longer (timeshift stones have it on them). Not to mention that the Sheikah are said to be a clan that directly served Hylia at the time that Demise attacked the surface.
It first appeared in the lense of truth which is used primarily in Sheikah history related dungeons in Ocarina of Time, if you are referring to release date.
with that said we dont know for sure how far zelda travel to , we know that one of the first time that "the calamity" of ganon ghostly shape happen at some point already 10k years around and they got already the divine beast ready to fight and win it , so if zelda travel before that happen because we know that ganondorf is the main reason of that to happen. so yea the real time is a mistery.. but yea is a nice theory, hopefully the zelda team drop some more LORE on the dlc for the game >
which makes more sense since light dragon may be hylia, and shiekah timetravelers.
@@mindsight9732the light dragon is Zelda.
The Gossip Stones from Skyward Sword also have the third eye symbol just like the Timeshift Stones meaning the Zonai's connection to the Sheikah might have very important since ancient times.
5:13 your idea that the tear represents Draconification is interesting bc the tear prior to TOTK has always represented sacrifice. I think these two ideas go hand in hand as draconification is presented as the ultimate sacrifice. What a banger vid, keep it up, can’t believe this is your first one
Makes me wonder why did the 3 elemental dragons sacrifice their mortal selves and for what specific purpose? If it was to forever watch over the 3 springs there might be something of spiritual value there (eg: the Triforce) which could be the key to understand their origin.
We've always known there must be a Sheikah-Zonai connection since BOTW, as many Zonai ruins houses Sheikah Shrines. But what got me really interested in learning more about the Sheikah-Zonai connection is the Mining Construct in the Spirit Temple. That Construct sells Link Ancient Blades it has excavated in the depths for zonaite. But why are there Ancient Blades in the depths? Ancient Blades are clearly of Sheikah origin. (The same blade that is a the tip of Ancient Arrows from BOTW.)
Did the construct specifically said it dug those ancient blades?
I figured it was making them down there exclusively and required the zonaite you provided.
Still, we've known that to be Sheikah technology, so it's weird that a construct is providing them (feels like a nod/callback to BotW, so now you could fuse to make your own ancient arrows).
@@Aladato yes, it explicitly said it has excavated them.
The Sheikah would definitely have known about the depths considering their towers, shrines, and the five pillars around the castle all emerge from deep underground.
Robbie's Memoir claims he invented Ancient Arrows in the period during Link's 100-year stasis, but even in BotW they're in chests in Hyrule Castle. Maybe he re-discovered the technology.
@@Chubby_Bubyes he put them on an arrow clearing inventing ancient arrows as they were originally used as a knife lol
The Sheikah Eye, and the teardrop appear in Skyward Sword.
[TOTK timeline]: After the ancient calamity, the Shiekah weren't just hiding technology; they also hid the secret of the sages, the imprisoning war.. all of it. The original Yiga may have been less about evil and more about preserving Zonai/Shiekah culture.
Two in one for theorizing:
1) Ancient energy is refined Zonai magic coming from the Imprisoning Chamber. The pillar with Sheikah constellations is a Purification machine, noted in its file name. This energy was redirected towards ancient furnaces on the surface.
2) The puzzles in shrines are for Rauru, and are meant to test him in the three virtues of the Triforce to refine his spirit. In other words, the Zen Garden aesthetic is literal, this is a meditative place for refining his own spirit. He seems to know about all of Link's hand abilities, meaning he is just as capable as Link to complete them.
i'd like to offer another angle,
1. the sheikah found the chamber, built the constellations as their detector when the Sheikah guardian tech should rise and fight ganon's malice. Sort of an alarm from when his hate has reached a boiling point. Malice is the result of this, the sheikah system does its best to weaken gloom, and instead it survives as malice, which builds like pressure and is released on the land as the calamity. Since Ganon figured out how to bypass/corrupt the system, the sheikah tech is now permanently inert and inactive as the central control center is beyond repair. especially after Ganondorf revives and breaks the pillar itself thus breaking the central hub of all sheikah tech.
As for the second, it was mentioned by the chamberlain's stones that the zonai shrines were created by rauru to trap and purify monsters, the puzzles were later apart of Mineru's design as she was responsible for hiding them away until Zelda's champion;s time would come.
@@blackreaper2247 This is even better. I never felt good about saying a majority of Sheikah tech disappeared because of the Upheaval, but maybe since the central hub was destroyed it could explain it?
Here's a theory on how the sheikah started that would make sense. Raru and his wife were obviously not the same type of people and yet Zelda clearly from their bloodline turned out to be hylian. Is it out of the realm of possibilities that mineru was the start of the sheikah people? Having found herself a lover of her own? Not much is said about how much time passes before her body withered away perhaps a descendant of hers was born before she became astral form. Which would explain purah being so similar to mineru including skills.
The sheikah were in skyward Sword tho
@@connaileenshe could have married a Sheika
Also maybe she trained new ones 😐
@@Frogboyaidan yeah sure but she couldn’t have started the sheikah is my point
Im curious about the Ancient Heroes Aspect tbh. Hes obviously Zonai/ Hylian mix but has red hair 🤷
Possibly a different breed/caste of Zonai or the past Hero might have undergone a _transformation_ of sorts similar to the masks in Majora's Mask.
That would also explain why some pieces of sheika technology are identical to the Zonai (lasers, flamethrowers, etc)
Another piece of evidence that they're intentionally connected; TotK's story is clearly evoking OoT's story. During OoT, after the Hyrulean Civil War, the Sheikah were nearly wiped out. Impa is one of few left.
During TotK's past, after the unnamed war, the Zonai were nearly wiped out. Mineru is the only one left.
Yes! I agree so much with this. *Spoilers* Also Purah is hinted at as being the new sage of Spirit since she's there when Mineru's spirit passes away and they both have similar headpieces.
My personal canon right now is that one of Rauru's and Sonia's son/daughter is the first sheikah in the ToTK timeline (it could be someone similar to the ancient hero but with white hair and Hylian ears or simply a Hylian with white hair like modern sheikah). They probably had more than one child, one of them had more Zonai features and the other more Hylian. One that stays with the royal family keeping the magic of time and light (this is the side of the family where Zelda comes from) and the second child will act as a spiritual guide, protector and scholar (Impa's and Purah's side)
It hurts a lot that the only hint of Rauru & Sonia's offspring's existence, is that Zelda is their distant descendant.
same theory 🙌🏻🙌🏻 i just know they had kids for sure and i feel like the sheikah’s white hair (and maybe some of their magic and tech) is proof of their connection to the zonai too
The Sheikah existed as protectors of the Goddess Hylia before she gave up her immortality to be incarnated as Zelda and sent the Hylians into the sky.
Or mineru could have a kid
Unlike what I believe the developers intended I watched all tear memories before finishing the 4 temples so it really annoyed me when what's his name didn't let me go to the ring temple because "Zelda" forbid it
I did the exact same thing - and I was super confused what I was supposed to do in Kakariko. A bit of a let down when I had found Mineru on my own and then the whole ring ruins purpose was moot.
Same here.
I think they messed up that part, as there was no way I would go to the Castle before fully exploring the world, as in, including just braving that permanent thunderstorm on those sky islands to eventually find Mineru's quest line and build her construct.
Anyone else notice how the Depths set looks like it could be an evolution of the Garo's robes from Majora's Mask? Just me?
I think this video is really well put together and I would be happy to see more of your ideas get explored! However, I can't say I find all of these concepts super compelling. Mostly because they erase pretty much all of the information we know about the Sheikah before botw. I think it is fine to theorize that botw and totk retcon the rest of the series and have everything before botw be considered "myth and legend" and not history, but that would be such a bummer that I won't operate under that assumption unless I have zero other option. We know the origin of the Sheikah occured during the era of Hylia before Skyward Sword. They were a priestly race that dedicated themselves to her service, as Impa explains. During that time, they also had advanced technologies as you showed in the video with the gates of time and the timeshift stones. This is all well before the first Hyrule is established by Hylians. They already had their eye symbol in that era, well before any Zonai had evolved or were created.
Considering the Zonai are the 3rd sky-people the series has seen (4th if you include hylians in Skyloft), then I highly doubt they existed or influenced the world until far far far into the future past Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Zelda II. New races pop up in Zelda and are said to have evolved into existence, such as the Rito in botw, or magically entered the world such as the Minish. The Sheikah rarely show their faces, it was only in botw we saw a living Sheikah settlement for the first time. I think its a giant leap to assume that this most recent of sky-peoples were the ones who were the originators of the eye symbol which is confirmed to be nearly as old as the universe itself because of some henna on Rauru and Mineru.
The Sheikah are the secret-keepers of Hyrule and always have been. They keep a deeper understanding of theology, physics, and magic that everyone else seems to forget or treat as fake. Just because no Sheikah is seen during the era where Rauru and Sonia reestablish Hyrule does not mean they aren't there. It's par for the course for the Sheikah to stay in the background even during calamities (ex. Twilight Princess). I do think you are correct that Mineru would have an interest in sharing her knowledge of the Zonai with the Sheikah, perhaps clueing them in that a fight will be had with an entity of malice leftover from the decaying king. The decision to come out of the shadows and embrace technology once more could easily have been influenced by the Zonai's departure, well done! In fact, the Sheikah were the ones who acted on behalf of the royal family to connect them to the Oocca too! So it tracks that the Zonai were hugely influential on their mission. Plus, if we assume Sonia carries the blood of Hylia, the Sheikah failing to save her would be a huge wake-up call to their holy duties. So yes, I highly doubt the draconification bit for the eye symbol, but I do think the Zonai were instructional for ancient Sheikah.
I like your voice and the matter-of-fact way you explore details of the series, it's definitely a great way to go about a topic. For your first video, I like it more than some of the bigger guys out there, really really good stuff.
I really appreciate this comment. I’m not sure what to make of the timeline placement which is a good bit of what you get at; there’s a decent amount of evidence to suggest the ancient past in TotK is after every other Zelda title. But I struggle to believe Nintendo would do that.
I’m not implying the Sheikah didn’t exist and that’s why they didn’t appear in the memories - I mention that I believe Mineru spoke with the Impa of this time, and I believe the Monks were there too. I have a belief (without much evidence) that Hylia was a Zonai, which would make a lot of things line up.
I really appreciate the feedback, you’ve given me plenty to think about!
It could also be possible that the Sheikah at the time of the TotK flashbacks are just uninvolved with the kingdom of Hyrule altogether and are just existing on their own somewhere, not really having the same mission as the Sheikah of past games. If the events of the game take place after the events of the other games and the Hyrule being built by Rauru and Sonia is a reestablishment, not the first ever Hyrule, then it’s likely that the Sheikah haven’t really been involved with Hyrule for centuries, or millenia even, since there obviously hasn’t been a Hyrulean royalty to serve. Perhaps after the Imprisoning War is when they get themselves involved, feeling as if they can help Mineru set everything up for Link, or they were already involved with Rauru and Mineru beforehand in the background and that’s why the two of them have similar iconography.
Or it’s a retcon and they’re resetting the entire franchise, idk. I don’t find there to be much merit to speculate on the Sheikah of the past tbh, there’s just so little information about them in TotK that practically any theory we’d come up with could hold true. There’s only 12 tear memories and they show what, like a minute snapshot of the past per tear? There’s a whole bunch of stuff going on inbetween those moments that we have no idea about whatsoever, literally anything could be happening alongside the events of the memories.
This is an awesome theory. I would love for them to go in this direction with future DLC.
Something I always wondered though about BotW. Why 4 Divine Beasts when there should be 6? Did they die before they finished the Shadow and Light ones?
Technically Mineru was not the last Sheikah. We know Sonia was Zelda's ancestor, so she and Rauru likely had a Hylian/Zonai mixed child. I suppose it was possible that she had a previous relationship before Rauru+Mineru came down from the sky in their hoverbikes (ancient aliens vibes btw), or that she and Rauru required a Hylian "donor" because of incompatible biology, but it was always my interpretation that as the first king, Rauru's Zonai genes were passed down, and eventually diluted over time until the royal family lost their physical resemblance to Zonai altogether.
while i'm sure localization may be a factor and it may be different in other versions, the chamberlain stones refute this, as she directly mentions that the castle empty and everyone was now gone and there was no one to serve from the royal family once zelda transformed. now in the other stone it mentions that sonia was a priestess and had a tribe of hylians she hailed from, as she asked rauru to protect her people, its possible she had relatives which was why the cover story of zelda being related to her was accepted.
@@blackreaper2247 Ah, that makes sense, although it seems odd to me that Sonia isn't Zelda's direct ancestor. I wish the stones explained what happened to the royal family after Sonia's death. It would make sense if Sonia's tribe took the reigns of the kingdom
Then you have the ancient hero armor which looks like a hylian zonia hybrid trying the two races together
My theory is that the Sheika are the Zonia. Specifically a group of them followed Rauru and Mineru's example of staying behind in Hyrule - instead of going with the rest of their race to wherever they went - to continue to serve the Gods in their own way. The difference between them and Rauru and Mineru is that they hid in the shadows. To do this, they changed their physical form to better match the local Hylians via magic or by Secret Stones.
The Eye Symbol they have is based on their now missing third eye (Zonai have 3).
The Sheikah predate the Zonia by a very long time and the Sheikah eye symbol is way older than the Skyloft which is older than the first Hyrule.
Something I just noticed....sonias ears, why does a Hylian have those zonai ears? Another thing is the Sheikah in BOTW claim they did all that for Goddess Hylia but the zonai never even mentioned her.
All ancient Hylians had ears like Sonia and it’s weird
As stated by the scholar Shad in Twilight Princess "the long ears of Hylians help them hear the _voices of the gods"._ I assume that since Sonia was a Priestess of Hylia her devotion to the goddess made her _closer_ to the gods leading to her ears been longer than the average Hylian. This reason might also explain why Rauru married Sonia due to her sharing the Zonai's deep connection to the gods as per her long ears.
...........no ones taking Ganon's words to heart and the zonai legit self inserted themselves within the planet and there was nothing none of the residents of that planet could do forreal.
Kind of like the "Evil Chozo" from Metroid Dread...
The sheikah predates the Zonai and the sheikah eye predates the Hyrule kingdom.
I think that could be true! There’s a lot that hinges on the timeline placement
@@hchatnation No matter the placement, I think it is true because the Sheikah symbol first appears in Skyward Sword.
Do we know that for sure?
Honestly, just the Divine helm and ancient dagger are enough evidence to convince me that the Sheikha someone came from or out of the the zonai. There's just no arguing your way around the fact that a zonai construct gives you the material Robbie used to craft ancient arrows and unambigiously referrs to it as zonai in origin. And the sages being directly effected by the divine beast armor is all the more evidence. Why people are skeptical about the connection at all after just those two I can't fathom. We even get confirmation of a group in the ancient past who could have gone on to become the Sheikha tribe.
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The fact that the current sages are affected by the Divine Beast armor is such a good point I wish I included that.
I’m glad there’s a video that points out the Sheikah’s absence in the early memories.
So, we have another paradox...
The Sheikah might not have been so prominent without an ancient Zonai (Mineru) encountering futuristic Sheikah tech (the Purah Pad) brought back in time, by the descendant of Sonia and Rauru (Zelda).
Zelda somehow having slung herself back in time to escape what would have been a fatal drop, caused by (a) Ganondorf- resulting in meeting her ancestors (Sonia, Rauru and by extension, Mineru), thus warning them about Ganon, and Mineru learning of Sheikah tech, to then teach the Sheikah of the past how to make and use technology, leading to the creation of the shrines, Divine Beasts and more importantly- the Purah Pad of the distant future...
It's the Song of Storms all over again. Who taught who and how did the cycle begin?
Just evoke the usual "the Golden Goddesses did it" like with most of the Lore and problem solved.
If I had to swallow a secret stone, I would probably choke on it and die
I think this is pretty solid. Only thing that makes me wonder is this idea being placed into the scope of the whole series and timeline. A lot of theories put this Hyrule beginning as placed long after a downfall of the last kingdom. I think this Sheikah theory can coexist with that if we consider that everything is destined to reoccur eventually. i.e., the “new” ancient Sheikah develop the weeping eye design based on the Zonai, whereas Sheikah from ages past may have took it from some other inspiration.
This makes a lot of sense when you consider the "cycle" which has repeated itself across every major installment in the series where similar events repeat themselves across time with slight differences as seen with term "Imprisoning War" been reused for a different conflict entirely as a group of "Sages" come together to stop a new incarnation of Ganondorf from once again attempting to conquer the land leading to yet another new conflict involving a Link and Zelda. It could be possible that the Sheikah of the Era of the Wild lost their history at some point in the "Era of Myth" before eventually meeting the Zonai and using their third eye as inspiration for their symbol.
this is a really good video, and is promising imo for future videos you make. the details are cohesive, forming a solid theory that genuinely explains everything. i hope this continues to get views, bc this video deserves more 👍
Love this theory and the way you presented it. Thank you!!
I’m looking forward to the future lore videos, was great to listen to and watch while playing totk
I agree with so much here! One thing I would like to add is those random tiny floating islands with the writings on them and typhlo ruins. They provide a lot of ancient information.
Another thing I want to say is that the shrines shown in the Gerudo Assault memory are all in the same location as the Sheikah shrines in BoTW. Perhaps certain Sheikah locations may be based off shrines of light?
They aren’t in the same location, but you will notice there are chasms on the plateau where the Zonai shrines are! But I definitely agree and my belief here is that the Zonai influenced the creation of the Sheikah Shrines
Are you sure??? Yea I know that the chasms exist and it kinda helps us to see when the lightroots were made but I am 100% sure that those shrine of lights are placed where both the chasms and the Sheikah shrines were.
I was wrong! Yes the Zonai shrines from the ancient past are in the same spot as the Sheikah shrines on the great plateau
Okay cool! Thank you for correcting myself I was beginning to get lost. I do love that little touch in the memories though
Great theory, and it totally makes sense that the Purah Pad was the item that kickstarted the development of all Sheikah Technology. Almost like the situation of Terminator and Skynet.
Before making a theory please look into all available information.
The eye with a tear drop predates hyrule even the Zonai. Durring the era of the goddess the Shiekah were Hylia's personal body guards and direct servants. During the sky era the Shiekah began to act as body guards for Zelda and her family because she was the reincarnation of the Goddesses Hylia. When hyrule was founded they began to serve and protect the hyrulian royal family because each member of the royal family carried the blood of the goddess.
Breath of the wild states that the Sheikah shrines were created during the last calamity 10 thousand years ago in case the hero fell and needed to be healed and retrained. This worked perfectly for Link after he fell during the second calamity and lost his memory. The shrines full filled their purpose but not for the intended hero. This was evident in breath of the wild when link puts on the cloths found in the shrine of resurrection as they are almost too small for him.
You do bring up a good point about the missing Shiekah but I think the reason could be is that the Shiekah were protecting Rauru and Sonia's children incase they failed against Ganondorf.
Great video and very interesting theory!
They also both have white hair, and Minru's construct on her left gives you ancient arrow tips.
i'm surprised you didn't mention the divine beast helmets and their zonaite counterparts as another point of evidence. it always felt to me like the sheikah versions had been build on top of / upgraded /replaced the original zonaite ones, since we see the zonaite ones on the original sages but the only ones that survive to the modern day are the zonaite ones (except on the sage's avatars because of spirit magic or whatever), further supporting the idea that the sheikah inherited their missions and technology from the zonai
So sheikah tech is like the song of storms... Mineru uses purah pad to advance zonai tech, then passes it along to the early sheikah, which then culminates into the development of the purah pad. Lol
Divine intervention by the Golden Goddesses who _wanted_ History to be caused by a time loop like the Organ Grinder/Guru-Guru in Ocarina of Time.
I had to stop at 4:07 when you said zelda "became the light dragon. Sometime after that...." i been putting off fighting Ganondorf in the depths and i already had videos spoil way too much of the ending unnecessarily in their videos. Ill add this to my watch later list. Also, im gonna sub. Already love your content after 4 minutes finding you. You were actual on my fyp at the very top.
This man is SO underrated
Before I had watched this video, I had assumed that when Zelda went back in time, she created a split in the timeline, which would explain why we never saw her or the geoglyphs in BOTW. But I think the arguments supporting the fact that she has always been there make more sense.
This is an absolutely amazing theory which is far better than some channels which are far bigger. The only problem I have with the theory is the fact that the sheikah eye symbol cannot entirely be inspired by the zonal because we see it in skyward sword which predates the founding of the kingdom of Hyrule in TOTK's ancient past. It could be possible that the secrets of draconification existed amongst the ancient zone during the time of Hylia and then the sheikah adopted it as a secret for their symbol, but it certainly can't be the case following the events of the imprisoning war in TOTK and mineru's last resolve !
have we considered that the sheikah have some zonai blood? they are the only other ancient tribe also with white hair. although we only have mineru and rauru to base off of, both siblings also have white hair like the sheikah. maybe this also explains why the sheikah have shadow magic? (idk)
this is how i feel too. i dont have all the details/connections but the magical abilities, eye imagery, and the iconic white hair are the first i think of.
I have been overwhelmed by the response to this video - thank you!! I am planning a follow up video where I address some of the very insightful comments I’ve received and bring up a couple more updates I’ve come across. Thank you again! 😅
What if, as other theorist have said, the labyrinths and by extension shrines from totk were to purify Ganondorf. Raru's effort to save him.
This is a great theory. I can't shake the idea that these are 2 timelines: one in which Zelda isn't sent to the past (BotW and Sheika) and one where she does (TotK and Zonai).
But since the modern Hyrule is a place where timelines converge, it's all merged together. Idk.
I think mineru started the Sheikah. Spirit sages, tech, connections to Hyrule royal family, white hair, it all fits.
two of the most distinct features from zonais are the eyes they have and their hair, along with their floppy ears and goat like face. Now, hear me out, Mineru was still alive and we don't know anything about if she ever had kids right ? And we see that zonai-hylian love is possible trough Rauru and Sonia (they didnt have kids but tbh I think she died just too early in their couple life lmao) So what if the techy and focused on both knowledge and draconification, which most prominent cultural element we have is that link to the dragons, zonais, just gave birth to sheikas as time went on and mineru's blood diluted in the hylian gene pool, giving the strong gene of the white hair, typical to zonai and nowhere seen before, and the culture that is now sheikah, evolving their tech and fianlly battling against what was not a depiction of ganondorf in the first game, but the boar like ganon, which is only the spirit ?
Great Video!! The connections seem very likely
Thank you!
Why the spiral coming out of Rauru is on all the Shrines? Couldn't the Shrines be the explanation for where most of the zonaii have gone if we can saw thoose Shrines in the past ? Maybe they all becomes light roots before the hyrule foundation
This is excellent, i like it a lot
This all depends on where rauru shows up in the timeline ....I've seen some compelling theories that suggest he shows up after all the games after innumerable cycles of societal collapse ...which would mean the shiekah came first eons before
I agree this completely relies on timeline placement
@@hchatnation Either way the Sheikah is before the Zonai because the Sheikah predate even Skyloft which is before the first Hyrule.
I always thought the ancient zonai and hylians paired up and their offspring became the sheika
There is conflicting information of whether the Sky Islands existed when the Zonai were still alive. The Zonai were said to have decended from the heavens and a construct says that young Zonai would perform dive ceremonies in ancient times, diving from Sky Islands. So, I think that yes Sky Islands existed above some Sky Barrier, but perhaps the Great Sky Island was lifted up.
Did the Sheikah's Telescopes and interest in the stars come from them trying to see the Sky Islands?
So mineru is also technically the reason why the yiga clan exist
I feel like Sheikah might be Hylians not in the royal family who also have Zonai ancestry.
I wonder what impact Zelda taking on Draconification, halting Hylia’s reincarnation, has on the golden power, and the sacred realm, and ultimately the Triforce. Same with Demise reincarnation being halted by Rauru Seal, and well Ganondorf refusal to die! This new Zelda world is full of mystery
Zelda would have lost the ability to use the Triforce as soon as she became immortal.
It's strange, though, that there is no Zelda or Link incarnation in the past of ToTK, despite there being a Ganondorf incarnation. We also need to learn about the incarnations of Zelda and Link that fought the first Great Calamity.
@@ghoulie11there’s no reincarnation back then because we are the reincarnation
@@Aaron-hv4hr But there was an incarnation of Zelda and Link during the first Great Calamity 10,000 years before BoTW.
@@ghoulie11 yeah… but that was a different storyline. The Zelda and Link we know are the heroes of that era as well because they don’t defeat Ganondorf until the very end.
@@Aaron-hv4hr It's an event that happened after Ganondorf is sealed away by Rauru, and 10,000 years before the events of BoTW.
They aren't the same Zelda and Link from BoTW, because if they could go back in time to stop the first Great Calamity then they could just go back in time and defeat Ganondorf before he gets Sonia's secret stone and there would be no first or second Great Calamity.
The Timeline Was Changed 💯💯💯
Yeah I figure mineru was behind the sheikah existence… just like ganondolf couldn’t wait to see link in the future which in sus in skyward sword.
have you considered that the Sheikah are non-main branches of the royal family? The could explain the mind's eye motif and white hair. I don't know what a half-zonai, half-hylian child would look like, but the second king of Hyrule and any siblings that he had would have been such a hybrid. All Zonai we see have white hair. All Sheikah, regardless of age, also have white hair. It is what distinguishes them from other hylians. The mind's eye motif is just a reference back to their zonai heritage. This also explains why there's no Sheikahin the distant past : they didn't exist yet because they are just branch-family decendents of Rauru, or maybe even Mineru.
The ancient sheika werent around yet you know the sheika are hylains that just branched off. (Proof) on the character list on totk says: hylain (sheika)
I in my opinion you did a great job thorising (?) and I'd like to see you do more of it!
The term "Hylian" is interchangeable to all humanoid races in Hyrule who look human. The Gerudo can be considered Hylian since they also look human despite having tanned skin and so the Sheikah are also allowed to enjoy the same treatment.
The Ancient Sheikah is way before Skyward sword.
Ok thanks both for tell me I commented the video when I was half way thru and I guess my second comment didn't send
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So what happened to the rest of the Zonai?
I have a theory based on what I saw in this same video:
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2:26 The zonai shrines were used by Rauru to seal monsters away and have unknown origin.
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2:45 The zonai shrines also exist before sealing Ganondorf...
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...And where can we see a green zonai spiral being created / surge / appear for the very first time?
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8:55 here. Just after Rauru gives his life to seal Ganondorf.
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What if...
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What if each shrine was a Zonai who sacrificed him/herself to seal away a dangerous monster / a great evil in this Hyrule of the past?
I imagine this Hyrule would've been a really wild Monster Hunter-like land for at least 152 Zonai to sacrifice themselves.
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And for this theory to work, they would've been already dwindled wether from them being stranded in a chaotic, foreign land ruled by many monsters where the weak zonai were prey for the strong and the strong zonai were the ones to put an end to those monsters, sealing them.
....or there were not many Zonai to begin with.
Would that imply that all of the zonai that potentially sacrificed themselves to seal away a monster all contain the power of light that Rauru has, considering the Lightroots that exist below each surface shrine, and that a portion of their light power is available to whoever can pass through? This kinda means that light is the original power of the zonai. How does Mineru contain the power of spirit instead?
And the fact the same statue of Sonia and Rauru next to eachother when attaining the light orb in the shrines is strange if each shrine is created by the sacrifice of an individual zonai. I guess they dedicated themselves to Rauru and Sonia, as king and queen, therefore shows up in the interior of the shrine, in which we know is a seperate realm from the outside world?
Well, this isn't really a theory, it's more of a compelling headcanon. But I do think it makes a lot of sense, especially if we remove the specifics. I think it's a very cool idea that the Hyrulean royal family are the descendants of Sonia and Rauru; and the Sheika tribe are the descendants of Mineru's team of Hylian researchers and scientists
Alternate universe. Ancient Shiekah lost the war. Wasn’t Sonia considered a high priestess to Hyrulia? But the ancient Sheikah were her monks. The only ones who were stashed in those glowy boxes for thousands of years for ??? Purpose.
I fully believe that Mineru had a group of Hylian apprentices that went on to become first Sheikah. Which would make Mineru not passing the Spirit stone onto Purah even more horseshit!
Very convincing!
More theories pleeeeeeeeeease! We hunger for them!
Great video I think your right I never realized the connection with the eyes everywhere.
Ok Bird for the Rito makes sense.
Camel for Grudo makes sense.
Elephant for Zoron....ok I guess
But Salamander for Goron's makes no sense at all. Salamanders live in cool dark damp places. Why not just call it a freaking Lizard.
As i understand it salamanders have a _mythological_ connection to fire which is why Nintendo chose them as the animal form for Rudania given their history as mystical representations of Fire.
Mineru can't be the last Zonai, because, while not shown, the King and Queen have to have a child before everything takes place in order for Zelda to be their descendant. Additionally, the "Ancient Hero" is clearly a Zonai incarnation of LInk, and he would have had to come from somewhere as his appearance takes place some unknown amount of time from when Ganondorf is sealed.
Some have a theorized a number of posibilities regarding the Ancient Hero's appereance ranting from him being from a _seperate_ caste of Zonai who lived bellow the surface in the Depths before they too became extinct like their sky counterpart, to him having _transformed_ into a Zonai possibly after swallowing a secret stone for the sole purpose of having the power necessary to overwhelm the first appereance of "Calamity Ganon". There are too many options to explain why the Ancient Hero looks the way he does that to simply say the Zonai race became extinct 10.000 years ago _because_ of that Era's Hero is simply too lacking in evidence to consider a solid conclusion.
Certainly the Ancient Hero’s raises many questions now that we have TotK. I think Mineru is the last “pure” Zonai, unless Mineru had a child with a Zonai that had passed by the time the events of the ancient past in TotK comes around. It’s interesting
@@hchatnation yeah, just saw a video from some other youtuber talking about how there must be a period of time where there are Zonai/Hylian hybrids running around before all the major zonai traits are slowly overwhelmed by more and more hylian traits. The Ancient Hero is likely a hybrid as his Zonai traits are a bit more... reduced??? than what you see in the King and Mineru.
I think shikah and zonite are connected your theory sounds good.
I do like this theory although it has been said breath of wild and tears are actually another Hyrule because they are after skyward sword which again here you said there were humans before zonai I can't tell if ss is a sort of closed time loop or if it was first. The thing is with triforce we know for fact the oot story and stuff around it so no matter what characters so it doesn't matter. So my point is I also think these games are a converged timeline but flat future, otherwise if it was just one timeline it'd have all races from series ever. What I wanna know is if we can trust all character quotes or some is retelling in a way. Also I wanna know what happened before ss given ss is first link but there was a first chosen hero. Oh sorry for ramble, I'm playing games in story order, I try to keep up with lore but I haven't played all games yet
Soooooo... You're suggesting that the existence of Sheikah Technology at all is one massive bootstrap paradox.
The technology exists, which then gets taken back in time, which then inspires the initial creation of the technology in the first place.
I can't say I like that idea...
A time loop (Zelda going to the past) within a time loop (the Sheikah technology been taken to the past) within a time loop (Hylia helping all the Links and Zeldas from _beyond_ Time).
Beautiful
You're forgeting the kokiri/koroks.
Literally clicking your video to put on a watch list because I'm in a meeting and I cannot put on audio to the video yet, so I will watch it later. BUT I have a direct theory that infers the "Ancient Sheikah" were actually the Twili, or those known to be held within the Twilight Realm.
This theory stands to reason that the "Ancient Sheikah" were effectively worshippers to the Zonai originally. They studied and mastered their magic, along with new magic and ways to utilize what the Zonai brought from another land in meaningful ways. They're responsible for creating the Labyrinths (not the Zonai) and they worshipped the ancestors of the Zonai, who were Din, Nayru and Farore. The theory then accepts the backstory of Twilight Princess as them reprising the role of the "Interlopers", whom attempted to overthrow the Zonai, before creating the Kingdom of Hyrule, to take the Golden Power & Triforce.
This battle waged, with the Ancient Sheikah and Gerudo joining forces, and this in turn leads to the hatred of the Zonai from the Gerudo tribe, along with the ones held prisoner in the Depths (Twilight Realm). Before the founding of the Hyrule, Rauru and the three others, whom swallowed their stones (Not the 3 goddesses, but their descendants) swallowed their ancient stones, sealed the land of the God's known as then as the Sacred Realm. And within the Sacred Realm, was a singular temple at this time: The Temple of Light (Rauru's ancestor). This temple did not "house skyward sword nonsense lol", but simply was the location where the Zonai placed their artifacts to keep safe post the war, and hid behind the Rauru's magic, and his alone.
The theory than spans the belief that after Wind Waker (Yes, adult timeline), the Twili (Ancient Sheikah) found their way back to the planes of Hyrule, where they then assimilated. They transposed history, utilizing the "New Kingdom" as a way to re-establish their place. They created mythos and lore behind the "Demon King", along with their role within the ordeal -- Knowing the Demon King was sealed in that location, as Mineru had enslaved them to mine for Zonaite, it's evident they worshipped him.
Overtime, their plans were to attempt to steal the power of the Triforce, which they succeeded. And this was the "Ancient Battle" that was talked about in BOTW; With the spirit of Calamity Ganon waging war on Hyrule. In turn, they wished for something (Because apparently that's what the triforce has become lol), and presto. BOTW story meshing with TOTK.
In TOTK, we see quite a number of actual sheikah devices, including the Guardian's. One notable one is on lookout landing, which apparently many didn't notice. It's inactive, not because "Ganondorf would take over them", but likely because their uncovering changed their perception on their ancestors -- and instead of the developers directly stating this, they allowed us to explore the meanings a bit more. There's a lot of symbolism within this theory, too, and a lot of it is backed by the game itself (Unironically).
The question is if Nintendo will act on this, or will they simply set the games as their own timeline of events. I think it'll be killer to hear something like "Hylia is the Goddess of the underworld" or how "The power Zelda in BOTW & TOTK had was specifically the Triforce, and her blood is due to her descendants of Rauru & Sonia", rather than something akin to "Zelda is the reincarnation of a god" (As a cop out for any sort of actual plot point and relevance to any classic entry).
After a bit of some time, I was able to watch this finally.
There's a few compelling points you make, the problem, however, is that it lacks purpose and intent for certain scenarios. However, the bulk of this I fully stand by:
The Zonai predate the Sheikah, and the Sheikah's "symbol" is a somewhat of a copy of the Zonai.
The reasoning, however, is where I differ substantially. Consider how the Sheikah technology just "accidently" is corrupted by "Calamity Ganon", and how the Sheikah "Coincidently" forgot that they existed. Or how Hyrule, as a whole had to "research" to find out that they existed. Or, dare I throw in: The notion that they actually entirely destroy all Sheikah technology in the present of Hyrule in TOTK, to where only "new" Technology from Robbie & Purah exist, rather than the classic technology of the "ancient" Sheikah.
I propose that the Sheikah, the ancient Sheikah, worshipped Ganondorf as much as they worshipped the Zonai. The Ancient Sheikah, far before all Zelda games, were the servants of the Zonai, the ones who created the ruins and the various attributed man-made regions. It aligns almost perfectly with the interlopers; A Race of people who attempted to steal the Triforce before the Sacred Realm was sealed.
Additionally, we should talk about the Monster Maze video, along with the 6:46 image of the constellations & the pillar above Ganondorf. I believe even Monster Maze noted: It doesn't exist in the past. This was put there later. This wasn't put there by the Zonai, since the last two Zonai, that were alive, were Mineru & Rauru: Both of which were incapable of doing so (clearly).
This leaves only one specified race that is coincidently absent.
Why are the Sheikah absent? Because they're imprisoned in The Depths, otherwise known as: The Twilight Realm.
One note that Master Maze makes is that the pillar "sort of" resembles the same as the islands underneath; But I checked this out. Not only is every single shape substantially different than the one poised underneath Hyrule Castle: It clearly was built there, along with the castle intentionally, well after Rauru was sealed.
We notice the plaque that states the Castle was built in "that" location to protect the seal, and it's the "Secret of the Royal Family", but we entirely ignore that the castle, in the past, was directly located on the Great Plateau; Along with the Temple of Time. We acknowledge that the Temple of Time was subsequently lifteed in the air from the "past sages", however we disallow the understanding that the child of Rauru and Sonia would have been named "Rauru" (In their honor) and would then become the Light Sage of the next era, who would (then clearly) raised the Temple of Time into the Sacred Realm, and built another Temple of Time, next to Hyrule Castle (The remains we see clearly from OoT) next to it's new location.
We also acknowledge that the Sheikah technology was advanced technology, and clearly would have had some influence beyond it's perception. However, consider the Shrine of Resurrection and where the water came from. The wellspring below, is the source for what's above. The problem: What's above wouldn't have existed, as it's evident that these are created "After" the founding of Hyrule, not before.
Ergo:
1) The Sheikah were the Interlopers, told in the backstory of Twilight Princess.
2) This Imprisoning War is the Imprisoning of the Demon King, told in the backstory of Skyward Sword (This game has enough messes that you'd have to wonder why people stan it)
3) The Sheikah, originally interlopers, utilized their knowledge of the past, and Mineru's library and literary collection, to advance themselves and learn the magic of the Zonai, and harness their own forms of magic and clone the Zonai's; Coined "technology".
4) The Sheikah assimilated into Hyrule post flooding after Wind Waker (Only timeline that'll work, explained in next comment), utilized the knowledge to settle in with the new rulers, and helped build a new castle -- Above the tomb of "The Demon King", whom they told a mythos about, this is the story of Skyward Sword (The mythos). "Hylia" is then born as a figure. (Explaining zero Hylia between these two era's, aka, every game before 2011).
5) The Sheikah utilized their innovative technology, when helping build the castle, to syphon power from Rauru, and create a specified magic that, when activated, will collapse the floor (Creating a gateway to the twilight realm) and raise the castle.
Juicy part:
6) They utilized the mythos of "The Calamity", aka the "Hatred incarnate, evil malice from the curse of the demon king upon the blood of the goddess and spirit of the hero".
7) They utilized the weakened form of the spell Rauru placed on Ganondorf, to create a monster out of Malice, which in turn gave the Sheikah the ability to "Be the heros".
8) The King was suspicious, removed the Sheikah from their power and banished them; Knowing something was going on. (Explaining this piece).
9) The later Sheikah, BOTW "100 years before", along with the Kingdom, went to uncover what happened -- as signs of the same exact instance was happening. This time, without Sheikah intervention.
10) As the Sheikah assimilated, a thousand or so years later (The "10,000 years" was mythos), None knew of their past. And so they believed the machines would help them. The machines, the "Guardians" along with "Divine Beasts", were created specifically to overthrow the Hyrulean Family, and were designed to convince them that the Sheikah were not only to be trusted, but to be feared and provided power. These machines all turned on everyone, not because "Ganon was strong", but because they were machines created to be imbued with magic, magic upon which "Calamity Ganon" was made from.
Finally:
11) TOTK Present shows a current Hyrule, understanding that the past was entirely different than what they were told. Learning more about the Zonai, and the ancients, than ever.
12) Sheikah technology was removed from everything because the technology is fueled by magic, magic of which the Hyruleans could not harness: But the Yiga, hilariously, could.
The Sheikah were always the interlopers. The difference is that people turn a blind eye to the hints in Ocarina of Time to Twilight Princess...because they started with Skyward Sword or BOTW.
Why TOTK could only fit into "Before every Zelda Game" for the past, and "After Wind Waker" in the present:
We need to acknowledge three attributes from Ocarina of Time:
1) "Fallen Hero Timeline" Only can occur when there is no Hero present, thus Ganondorf obtains the full Triforce, without contest, and goes back to Hyrule to attempt to overthrow it. Ganondorf then is, by the 7 maidens, sealed into the Sacred Realm. The Sacred Realm then becomes corrupted by Ganondorf, as he utilizes the Triforce to turn it into a mirror world to Hyrule.
Notes: The Sacred Realm, before the corruption, was a collection of islands and spiritual structures that housed sacred artifacts of the God's, such as the Triforce. This is where the iconic "depiction" of it comes from; It was "Golden" in land, and flourishing. Tears of The Kingdom's "Sky" is the Sacred Realm, everything on these lands are considered "sacred" regions. Including the tori gates.
2) The "Child Timeline" Only can occur with the Twilight Realm remaining sealed, Ganondorf Dragmire also willingly traveled to the Twilight Realm (From a portal that opened up for a brief period of time), and become the ruler of this realm. He stayed here, and ruled upon it. Additionally, the Sacred Realm was entirely secure. No breach had occurred. The Triforce is still in the Temple of Light.
3) The "Adult" timeline Only can occur if the full Triforce had been taken and, after Wind Waker, controlled by the Hyrlean family. Namely, Zelda. Additionally, this timeline specifically occurs when Ganondorf is "Sealed" (not willingly going to) the Twilight Realm, where his focus was to "Return to Hyrule". In this scenario, Ganondorf would have created a breach from these two realms, and thus allowing the Interlopers a way to Hyrule.
We clearly see that the Sacred Realm is barely touched, but it isn't in the best condition. We can see the Temple of Light (The "Forgotten Temple") not only has fallen down to Earth, but was catastrophically destroyed. Additionally, we should take not of each Goddess statue added, and how they specifically are in the exact location as all of the Bargainer statues in the depths. We should note that these Goddess statues were added far later in the period of time, not before -- noting that Skyward Sword (yes, this game) legitimately couldn't happen in the same realm or universe: Thus, mythos. Specifically for propaganda; The Goddess statues were then added to each location, specifically, to aid the Sheikah's end goal: Overthrow the rule of Governance and become the rulers of Hyrule...for those versed in Twilight Princess, you may recognize that the concept isn't too farfetched, that was one of the attributes Zant wanted to accomplish.
We see The Depths, that doesn't look (At all) like Twilight Princess, determining that the "future scenario where Ganondorf ruled the Twilight Realm for hundreds of years" did not occur. We see the remains of the Twilight Realm, and areas that remained dormant after a thousand years.
And then we should question:
How long is the timeline, actually? Is it 10,000 years ago? Or is it 2,000, with a large quantity of time between "The Sheikah coming to the surface" and "BOTW". With the less span of time being the death of King Rauru (Sealing of Ganondorf) and the land being terraformed back after the Great Sea? I know the attribute here is to "consider it in the real world", but it's a video game. The Great Sea could have only lasted a couple hundred years, with most of the entries after WW as something akin to beowulf; Folk Lore to be passed down after the threat was removed...for all of which to be lost in time, as peace had existed in Hyrule for that period, until the Sheikah magically surfaced.
Finally for a last note of evidence: The "last of their kind" Sheikah was always Impa from Ocarina of Time, and then much later "Impa" from Skyward Sword. Consider how nuanced this arbitration is. Is it possible that the Sheikah, in Ocarina of Time, are the appropriate sheikah -- and the mythos is the adjusted body. Wherein Impa from Ocarina of Time was apart of a family who served King Rauru & Queen Sonia, rather than a family who wanted to seize their powers?
We can proclaim the game occurred in the child timeline, but it's rather messy. The method people are going "now" in the theorists world is claiming that it's an "entirely new canon" because they don't want to accept or see entries, such as Skyward Sword, or the capcom handheld games, be considered less impactful to the overarching story...despite their entire existence, outside of skyward sword, was to be "not affiliated with the mainline games".
I don't agree with these. I view that Nintendo's Zelda developers had something important in mind. A lot of them worked on Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Breath of The Wild & Tears of The Kingdom, and a lot of them purposefully changed certain aspects of the game intentionally. I do believe that there was a direction considered in 2011 that was entirely then changed up during BOTW, and I do believe that the reception of BOTW changed the direction, in story, of the entries thereafter.
I don't believe that they are concerned with trying to become the same "gameplay" as classic entries, but I do believe they want to interconnect the stories.
Afterall. If you can sell 30 million copies of a single player game, fantastic. But if you can sell 30 million copies, that lead to an additional 10 - 20 million sales of older entries that otherwise are stagnant -- but now on the "digital" market on the platform (Or cloud subscription platform), that would be a bonus. Modern gameplay and design mechanics, with lore that requires you to dig deep into the classics is a money pit. And I see them considering this route even more now since TOTK.
13:37 - The problem with your theory is actually pretty easy: There's no reason for the Sheikah to have been banished, and their technology asked to be destroyed, if indeed they were working to "protect the kingdom". This was purposefully included in BOTW to setup the Yiga, but also clearly as contextual clues to distinguish the dark nature of the Sheikah...which explains, further, why their entire concept is devoid of reasoning. There was no "Sheikah tribe" in Ocarina of Time. it was simply Impa. there was no Sheikah tribe in Wind Waker, or Twilight Princess (Directly). In essence, people noticed the similarities between the Twilight and the Zonai; But what if we acknowledge that the similarities aren't specifically depicting the Zonai (Who we know do not have many similarities to the twilight), but the ancient Sheikah's who were the originally the twili?
Moreover, we also can note that the symbolism of music: Backward themes when hearing the depths in the trailers, or the Ganondorf introduction them when getting to the mummy Ganondorf at the start, etc; This "reverse" is quite symbolic when you factor in that the people who told everyone about Calamity Ganon were the Sheikah. And the Sheikah attributes on the spike seal; There's a lot of direct references in the design that determine that there is something sinister at play, and it isn't the zonai: It's the Sheikah.
Primarily, the sheikah of the past. The ones who created the technology that no longer exists, in it's direct form, in the present of TOTK. It's clear a lot of this was intentional.
@@itsJoshWashington Your 1-3 pionts is incorrect, the fallen hero timeline happen when Link is defeated by Ganondorf in Ganon´s tower and gets the full Tri force, the Child timeline happens when the sages can´t kill Ganondorf and banishes him to the Twilight realm he don´t go there willingly, the adult timeline Ganondorf is not sealed in the Twilight realm he is sealed underground, the Temple of light is not the Forgotten temple, the Forgotten temple was build to look like the Sealed ground and was never raised, Skyward sword has happen in every timeline this is a fact, the end goal of the Sheikah has always been to protect Hylia and SS Zelda descendants, the Depths are not the Twilight realm, the timeline is most likely millions of years across, the Sheikah came to be before Thousand of years before Skyward sword, king Rauru sealed Ganondorf after all games except Botw and Totk And just because we only see one Sheikah in Skyward sword and Oot does not mean that they are the last of there kind.
The timeline is off.
The ancient sheikah havent split from the Hylians yet in Sonia and Rauru's Hyrule
It goes All previous Zelda games. ---------------> Sonia and Rauru found a new Hyrule. ----------> Calamity Ganon 1st appearance, Ancient Sheikah. ------ (10,000 years) ---> BOTW ---> TOTK
So there are no ancient sheikah yet. They wont come about for some time, until the Calamity years and years after Sonia and Rauru
seems like a pretty legit theory
My mind is blown
Song?
I used a handful of game tracks in this one. Can you timestamp?
we altered history and didnt even notice!
Then explain the Yiga if the Sheikah didn't exist...
i think its an alternative universe
The developers really screwed up the lore.
How do you get so many views on your videos? Any tips?
Hey, feel free to shoot me an e-mail and we can chat - although I may not be the best resource, I can share what I’ve seen at least.
This seems mostly plausible but mineru definitely didn't talk to impa, that would make impa over 10,000 y/o...😅 but great video
We also dont see the kokiri/korok
That is true! I think there’s less about the Korok than the Sheikah, but it’s worth wondering where they are
I still think it's hilarious that the sages promised to have kids or whatever the heck the gorons do to reproduce.
Zelda: please have se×
Sages: k
Honestly I don’t think they cared about previous Zelda lore, they just wanted to make a game about the sky again and a boy and his hand, the zonai thing kinda throws it off for me they’re basically a redress of the sheikahs with all the tech that didn’t exist in any other Zelda title. Also the boss fight was fun to watch but no challenge at all while playing it. And ganondorf didn’t even know who link was 😂 so much for lore. It’s a reboot clearly and just focuses on the same silly shrines instead of immersive temples or palaces to explore 😂
Nah it does relate to lore. Like in most fiction one eras humans are next eras gods. And maybe because of cycles ganondorf doesn't recognize link because they aren't all the same one. Like ganondorf demise Gannon use rule of demons. Hylia incarnates into next Zelda and is related to self and hero has spirit of hero so if anything is off or they don't recognize person, it's not like they can track souls or ancestry of link and if hero has spirit of hero, can't that one soul hop bodies. And yet the real first hero who's spirit it is also can't chill where goddesses go. Also if you play ss you'll notice they tell link how terrible he is and in later games they respect him despite fact it's always a diff link. So again why would ganondorf, the most mortal of the demon forms recognize link all the time. Also demise was over confident, you think he cares on all details of links life? Why should ganondorf, unless he'd use it for battle strategy but he never accounted for everything was the point
So, it's a bootstrap paradox?
Yes! The BotW/TotK timeline (if viewed in isolation) exist on a bootstrap paradox. I.e. Zelda seeing the murals before she goes back in time and causes the murals to be made
@@hchatnation glorious.
Sheikah are just Hylians, not a seperate race according to totk. How the monks serve Julia there connection to zonai symbology and others is the real question
i found out in totk the 3 elemental dragons are all female and also i think they where zoni's
tho as a dagidid i also hav the benafit fo being aball to make thers into dagidid to by way fo blodrigth or as it can be put to blodbony hav a nices day
Great video, small channel... bout to blow up if you ask me
The ancient Shiekah must not have been that ancient. Only half ancient. The "ain't Shiekah". Bum bum buuummmmm.
Jokes aside, it is obvious the "ain't Shiekah" took heavy inspiration for everything from the Zonai. Of course the most obvious being the eye and tear symbol. But also, I believe the shrines themselves are modeled after the Zonai shrines, and their magical technology seems real similar to the Zonai magic tech. So we can be certain the Shiekah came after and were greatly inspired by the Zonai, taking motifs and tech into a newer age. But that's the problem. When would they have met? If the Zonai are all already gone, save for the 2, and we haven't seen a single Shiekah, when could they possibly have met? Were the Shiekah originally from wherever the Zonai left too? Or did the Zonai come back? Or DiD tHeY aCtUaLlY nEvEr LeAvE???
Edit: if draconofication was such a hugely important bit of history for the Zonai, so much so that they basically tattoo their faces to always remember this sacred act, then how come Rauru has no idea about it? That part cannot be the case. Why tattoo some super sacred thing on your face, if you have never even heard of it?
as for the sheika ther tex is base on zoni tex thos y both zoni and sheika ken usis it as ther not that far removedid to put it this way to ther simler hav a nices day
yes i do think miaru moavedid the sheika to blid thos things in braeh fo the wiled hav a nices day
what is bro waffleing about 💀
I’m kinda new to the Zelda franchise but I was thinking in my own head canon that the Hyrule we find ourselves in is a alternate reality/dimension and doesn’t fall under the same timeline as the other games. We already know different realms exist so it’s not a stretch that it could be possible. The Zonai are more like inter-dimensional beings who can travel between them all and settled in this one, hence why we find artefacts and races from all timelines within this one. For all we know there could be more Zonai out there in other realms. Also I think the original Zonai weren’t good and enslaved the people forcing them to work the mines and fight in gladiator style combat in the ancient Colosseums. That is where the ancient barbarian armour comes from. Maybe Raru was Sympathetic with the early hylians and helped them lead a revolt which is why we don’t see other Zonai in this founding of Hyrule. Maybe the mines just ran dry for the Zonai’s needs and they just left? I don’t claim to know nearly enough about the legend of Zelda as other people but this kinda made sense to me as I was playing tears of the kingdom and trying to understand the history and setting.
I believe Zelda’s travel to the past changed the timeline completely. The geroglypys, shrines and sky islands just “appeared” because they were “always there”, just that prior to the time stone jump none of that happened in the way we saw.
That cannot be as we _know_ that the events of Breath of the Wild happened as a _direct_ result of future Zelda travelling to the times of New Hyrule's foundation to meet Rauru and Sonia and eventually fight Ganondorf leading to the creation of "Calamity Ganon" and the events of Breath of the Wild. The entire story of the Era of the Wild hinges on the idea of a "time loop" where the past, present and future had already been _predetermined_ and nothing that happens within the loop could ever *change* so that every event would happen. If Zelda's arrival to the past changed the timeline that means Calamity Ganon was NOT created by her involvement in the Imprisioning War which would be impossible given what we learn in the story.
@@javiervasquez625 That is partially true, but there are several pieces of dialogue in game that clearly state the the Zonai shrines, sky islands, and geoglyphs just appeared "almost as if overnight"(almost direct quote from one of the research team) when the Upheaval occurred. So the game is really using a closed loop like you mentioned when we talk about Ganondorf but Zelda going back in time definitely changed the present as well.
@@phantomleaves The reason the sky islands appeared "almost as if overnight" is because the _Cloud Barrier_ which was *HIDING* them from view was dispelled by Rauru so that Link's new Quest to stop the reawakaned Ganondorf may begin. ¿Ever noticed that in Breath of the Wild all 3 dragons _dissapear_ in the sky after passing through a "cloud gate"? That's the invisible Cloud Barrier which is hiding both the islands and the Light Dragon from view as Ganondorf's imprisonment has yet been broken and there's no reason for Link to see them yet.
As i stated above: a time loop means that ALL EVENTS within said loop MUST remain unchanged for the loop to work. Any changes to said loop breaks it appart in turn making it impossible for it to happen.
@@javiervasquez625 Yeah I do remember that in BotW, but there is plenty of sunlight and clear skies in BotW as well. You say an invisible cloud barrier, or (to phrase it differently) an illusory sky, sure that wouldn't be the craziest thing in these games and I could buy that. Especially given that a hole opens in the clouds in TotK allowing Link to dive to the surface. But how would you explain the geoglyphs and zonai shrines appearing overnight?
Also, I dont think it was Rauru, the Light Dragon is the one who parts the clouds for Link after Rauru has already said farewell.
@@phantomleaves The geoglyphs were magically carved by the people of Ancient Hyrule so that they would magically reappear by the time the Hero would start his new Quest to reclaim the Master Sword from within the Light Dragons's head and the Zonai Shrines were themselves hidden by Mineru and the Hylians of the past for the very purpose of strenghtening Link's spirit with Light as stated by one of the Zonai research members (can't remember who).
Rauru never departs Link's company until the very end of the game as his _spirit_ still remained within what was left of his arm after it fused to Link's in order to purify his body of Ganondorf's Gloom. He simply doesn't bother talking and interacting with Link over the course of the game choosing to remain hidden until it's time for him to pass on into the Afterlife (similar to king Rhoam and the 4 Champions).
I thought the shekiah were appointed by Hylia herself? Unless that got retconned by totk?
So this was definitely a question I had during my research. Idk about retcon , but this definitely falls under the “these are legends and new information can change the established lore” caveat given in HH. If Hylia was Zonai, both can be true
@@hchatnation There is no evidence that points to Hylia being a Zonai.
Hylia isn't a zonai. If you play ss it talks of first demon war. Established fact because girahim wants to wake demise. He uses word resurrect so apparently demise was defeated not killed. Summoning demons, common horror genre trope. But then I wonder if ss is closed time loop because impa and fi are sent by goddess but then ss Zelda has to go beyond time. Plus if hero spirit is same spirit then there had to be a first hero but ss was first link unless link and zelda were in same time loop.also far as I know sheikah are appointed by hylia
Also we get pics of hylia as not zonai. And Sonia married a zonai I thought, so humans have been around forever
Zonai and sheikah both have white hair
Good observation!