Redeemed Yuthura Ban
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- After her apparent redemption on Korriban, Yuthura Ban returns to the Jedi Academy on Dantooine to give it a real chance. Her old master suggests that she could be a very wise Jedi due to her experiences with the dark side. This rings true. It's been said that to truly understand the force, you need the contrast to light.
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Light Side Revan to every Sith he runs into: "you want to go home and rethink your life"
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I wish she could have been a playable character. I would have preferred her over Juhani.
Tetradotoxin same
Actually - if you install the "Brotherhood of the Shadow Solomon" mod (which by the way is am INCREDIBLE mod! You gain a new Ally. Basically this character but she comes with a double sided lightsaber and some pretty cool force powers. I do not recall (as it has been years) if it's actually her or if it's a new character that just resembles her very strongly
I wouldn't, I prefer Juhani. Still she's also a very interesting character.
I wished I could have romanced her I would have much preferred her over juhani, she just seems far more matured.
Her arc is so much better than Juhani.
Yuthura was honestly one of my favorite characters that I wish had more time and history. Her view on the dark side was legit and understandable. Plus, she wasn't a bad person at heart.
I think she's actually very similar to Anakin, but her fall sounds more believable. The Prequels just didn't have enough time to really show a properly slow erosion of morality, it all happened in big chunks.
@@ArvelDreth movies can't take up too much time, so they do the best they can
She's definitely one of my favorite characters too
I think it'd been cool if she could have been recruited to your crew.
@@ArvelDrethROTS novel does it
Yuthura's voice actor was so good. There was so much weight behind that voice.
1:30 - "There is no passion; there is seren--"
"YUTHURA SORRY BUT THERE'S A GIANT FREAKING MANTA RAY FLYING BEHIND YOU *OH NO IT'S GETTING CLOSER!* "
I WISH THIS WAS A DIALOGUE OPTION🤣🤣
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" [...] said Dumbledore _calmly."_
KOTOR is unreal. The dialogue and writing is just unmatched. Playing this as a teenager changed me. It wasnt about the fighting or the action, but the story and choices people made. You can learn a lot by playing through the light side and trying to help others.
The dark side is easy to use, but it doesn’t define a person. Power is useful but power is not enough. Kindness and hope combined with power as well as friendship is what strength truly means.
Honestly we can all learn from this, anyone going through regret and guilt or addiction
You left out the part where she ends up dying at the hands of the very people she walked away from.
@@lawrencetalbot8346 at least she died free, no longer a slave to them
"Dark Side is not the Sith" Great, though not intended, foreshadowing of KotOR 2
"One who has fallen so far, and done so much evil, does not deserve redemption. In a way, such a turning from one's nature is cowardly, a betrayal of the self. Redemption is merely a form of spiritual collapse. A fall few recover from." -- Kreia
Yes, she said that in association with Ajunta Pall. Do you agree with her completely? Because by that logic, Vader was even less deserving of redemption. Were dark side leanings truly Yuthura's nature? Based on her history, I would say it isn't. Like many she had the best of intentions but was consumed by the dark side and thus, in a way, lost control of her actions.
I believe that Kreia despises redemption as in moving from the depths of the dark sight to the high heavens of the light side. Replacing one extreme ideology for another. If you have fallen from the light, as Yuthura has, you must have seen something wrong with the Jedi code. And now that she has been redeemed, she must have seen something wrong with the dark side as well. And she has. There's a dialogue option with her, where she states that she fell because she fought slavery with violence. And that her goal was to end slavery, but the dark side of the force corrupted her into seeking more and more power. Now she seems obsessed with redemption, forgiveness and wastes away her goal by chasing after the Jedi ideal.
Very good. You are correct. I believe as Kreia does, the Jedi are light side extremist who don't even realize that the light side controls them just like the dark side controls the sith. But Yuthura didn't only see a problem with the dark side. Within her transition back to the light, she saw a problem with the sith. Like she said: "The sith bring more misery than the slavers ever did." She even refers to your party members as slaves without batting an eye. But that was because of the dark side corruption. She could have returned to the light, but that doesn't mean returning to the institution that is the Jedi Order.
Well, of course, she hasn't yet officially rejoined the Jedi order as a padawan. But still, the sole fact that she returned to their enclave on Dantooine, meeting her old master again, and probably receiving training from them is a strong hint that she did. While she mentions that she needs "time for herself to figure stuff out", she's doing so with the guidance of the Jedi order. Let's just hope she meets and trains under Arren Kae.
What I also wish to say is: She has betrayed herself once by falling in with the Sith, and now runs danger of betraying herself again by seeking "redemption", peace of the conscience, by following the Jedi. She has failed herself, by seeing the force and the teaching of its wielders as a tool for self improvement rather than a tool to achieve her goals. Yuthura, go and become the slaver hunter you were meant to be, not the mindless tools those two doctrines want you to be.
Who else thinks Yuthura should have replaced juhani as one of the playable characters?
Just saying Yuthura actually has an interesting background story and there is alot of possibility for character development there as she struggles for choices.
Juhani is just "I got mad and attacked my master once."
Plus picture Bastila and Yuthura having a chat.
I've said that all along. Sleheyron was even supposed to be a planet in the game but was cut.
@@PapitoQinn I know there are mods for restored content out there. You hear of anything for Yuthura by chance?
@@SpiritualJD12887 I haven't. And I think that planet was cut quite early in development.
Fun fact: the voice of Yuthura Ban is also Komari Vosa from Star Wars Bounty Hunter.
Yuthura Ban: Ah. Its a brand new day for me... Ooh look! A light show *INCINERATION*
The love interest we should've got and the thighs we should've been choked by
LMFAO that is so gay i love it.
Amen
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I wished I could have romanced her I would have much preferred her over juhani, she just seems far more matured.
What i find interesting about this is that it seems Yuthura is welcomed back to the Jedi, and that her Master recognizes that her study of the Dark side would help in her understanding of the Force. I do wonder why in consideration of say Revan that they basically mind wiped you, perhaps the Jedi are more afraid of tackling the bigger and more destructive of those who fall merely out of fear of the consequences, i feel though it is more out of a sense of looking at beings that they deem irredeemable by conventional methods and thus resort to the extreme. What could they have learned from Revan if they had trusted him from the moment they captured him and listened? They viewed it as necessary and thats my main issue as I think what would they have done with Sidious, or Exar Kun or even Darth Caedus had they actually managed to capture and keep them in place, what future would they hold if not a prisoner, sorry i just focused on the mindwiping aspect of Revan and really question if it was the Jedi's only avenue or the easiest to take, seems when it comes to the difficult decisions just as Mace Windu's decision to kill Palpatine, that they succumb to their own impatience and fear in regards to how they treat defeated Sith.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would say that someone like Sidious can be convinced by the Jedi. But even so, the Jedi often do things that make it seem like they don't have that much confidence in their teachings. Because if they think they're so right, then they should at least be open to convince people to how they see things. But instead they either kill them in battle, exile them, or mind wipe them it seems. They could have also been scared of Revan, in almost the same way they were scared of the Exile. They hate change, and those two change people. It's still odd isn't it? During KOTOR 1 the Jedi act as if they don't know you. They lie right to your face, including Bastilla.
It’s about making wise choices for the Jedi, obviously yathura never fully accepted the dark side as did revan or sidious, and on top of that they were the biggest players of the power. One started a war, the other manipulated the prophetic savior. At this point, they would have to change from within, not be forced to by their enemy, the “Jedi” . Just my two cents. I love how the kotor games shed light on the Jedi and how they aren’t always in the right. The idea is balance in my opinion. Look at nature, some nurturing some cooperation and some destruction and manipulation all coexisting in its own harmony. Just how humans can constantly spew righteous and moral ethics but if they reflected with honesty on their own lives many of those preaching do actions purely for selfish reasons. It’s all very strange.
Revamp was captured but Yuthera came of her own volition
@@meeksthessj4 there’s the thing, Revan never TRUELY “accepted” the dark side, it was a tool to achieve a means to a end, nothing more…
It’s sad to know that her descendant was killed by the Sith protagonist in The Old Republic game.
I love her smooth voice, and her redeeming personality. Definitely should've been a potential companion, especially if the player fails to save Juhani in the grove
That was my idea too.
@@PapitoQinn Also adds an interesting dynamic, in which Revan failed to redeem Juhani, but then succeeded in redeeming Yuthura. Juhani would serve as a cautionary for Revan to learn from their own mistake in how to show others redemption
I’d likely swap her for Juhani, if we were given the chance. They didn’t really give her the development she deserved, basically just some turned Jedi that folded quicker a hot bar of chocolate. Took little-to-no effort to bring her back to the enclave.
"One who have fallen so far and done so much evil does not deserve redemption.
In a way such a turning from one's nature is cowardly, a betrayal of the self.
Redemption is merely a from of spiritual collapse, a fall few recover from"
-Kreia
We can see that very quote working here, she goes back to the jedi but with her spirit broken and obliterated by ideological collapse.
She believes in helping slaves, because she was one. But she needed to find for herself how she believes slaves should be helped. Here she believes that the Jedi might have the answer, but she was already with the Jedi before, and she ended up with the sith. Another extreme that didn't have the answers. Both probably have parts of the answer she's looking for. But I'm guessing she died in the attack on the academy, so her question will go unanswered.
@@PapitoQinn True, i really wanted to see her futher expansion of character and how would she eventually end up. But In this very clip you can see from the way she talks that she is an ideological shell that she is broken and she need just to try to rebuild herself.
Sadly I know from personal experience that people that turn their ideological structure 180 degrees are usually torn apart by the radical change and usually take a lot of time or never recover from such turning, it is a sign of strength to not hate yourself for the past mistakes if you'll get enlightened by how wrong you were.
@@user-eo2hk2it5i I wanted to see her be an alternate companion for Juhani.
@@user-eo2hk2it5i The problem is that the solution seemed binary. Join the Jedi to fight the slavers. When that didn't worked, she thought the opposite answer would be the correct one, when perhaps neither were truly capable. The Sith seek self-determination but it's a lie and the Jedi discourage self-determination as a means of detachment.
@@Edax_Royeaux Pardon me for digging up a three year old post but I just had to reply. Both to the original and that last post you made.
First of all, while Kriea has no small amount of wisdom, she is also ... bitter and cynical. That comes through here and poisons her judgment. In order to be redeemed, you must first fall. You must have first already betrayed your self. The redemption is the realization of that, and working to return to your self. This is especially true in Star Wars, as that's exactly what the central figure of the franchise, Anakin, goes through. Facing that betrayal of one's self is the most difficult thing a being can go through. It's why Anakin didn't do it for Ashoka, and almost didn't do it for Luke. Taking time to recover from that isn't at all like what Kreia describes here.
As for the appearent binary, its not that Yuthura did believed the Jedi didn't have the answer, it's that she nurtured her hurt, grew it into hate. The Jedi wanted her to let go and she refused. She turned to the Sith not she believed they had the answer, but because they encouraged her. Embrace the pain, embrace the hate. All Revan does is get her to see the Sith aren't actually helping her. "I hadn't thought of it in years." The reason she returns to the Jedi is because she did it. She let go. She still wants to help slaves, and *maybe* the Jedi can help with that. But that's not why she returns. It's because she seeks the peace she always denied herself.
Your trial with juhani is the game, the jedi, teaching you no dark jedi is beyond saving. The game urges you to show compassion to your enemy, and you find even when you think you're just playing the part, being friendly to sith to gain their trust, that youre finding some light left buried within them yearning to be freed.
I like to think if you save her after the bombardment she'd make her way to the slavers disband them, and eventually get picked up by the new order.
The Dark Side of the Force is the path to destruction and suffering.
In an extreme case, yes. To only focus on the light side is to limit yourself.
And the light side would be a path to complacency and stagnation, suffering of another sort?
797ation the light is weak and foolish but dark is too far i like netural grey
Once you start down the path of the dark side of the Force... forever will it dominate your destiny...
@@PapitoQinn Limit to what? To be evil? That sounds good to me.
What magnificent care and thought they put into making this game.
Spoiler....
if you go to the training room you will also find Kel if you redeemed him also on korrban
Does it he have a lot to say?
Yuthura Ban VA also does Komari Vosa In Star wars Bounty Hunter.
Your recent videos are great! Nice way of reviving interest in these games. Anyway, may I ask what recording software you use?
My videos are getting progressively better as I learn new tricks and editing techniques. I use OBS to record.
I might well have uploaded many of these videos myself considering the void there's been in recent years, but you've definitely got that covered now! Keep up the good work.
So if Korriban isn't the last planet I guess Manaan logically is
I'm so bummed because I just found one too many star maps and now I'll never see Yuthura on Dantooine even if I redeem her
I really think both the Jedi and the Sith are completely wrong. And it's not that the truth is some balance between them; it's that the truth lies in a different direction entirely. The Jedi eschew all emotion and attachment as evils, and the Sith equally discard everything but out of selfishness. The Jedi are right that we need to find peace even in loss, but trying to avoid any sense of loss by never forming attachments is just as bad. The reality is that attachments are part of what gives us purpose and hope. It is true that we cannot be so attached to something that we are unwilling to let it go at any cost; that's just a different kind of selfishness. But the kinds of deep relationships that we can have with others guide us towards real selflessness, where giving up something to make someone else happy brings us joy rather than pain. So we should form attachments, but we must find the courage and strength to endure the loss and be at peace in spite of it that eventually comes from them, rather than be driven to selfishness.
Qui-Gon knew the score
Atton says in the second game that the rest of the galaxy doesn't see jedi and sith. They just see really powerful religious nutjobs that lay waste to planets when they have a disagreement.
OMG I just realized everyone you redeem on koribann dies when they destroy the enclave
Not everyone.
@@sark581 it’s been a minute so I can’t remember exactly
@@thepriorstone4064 Vrook and Vandar survive.
@@sark581 Dorak survives too right because he's mentioned in kotor 2 and killed by nihilus
@@cryoeclipse, He does? I didn't know that.
Everyone deserves a chance for redemption no matter how far they have fallen. If you must know I'm originally from sleheyron too.
including palpatine or that austrian painter guy?
I can't believe she actually went back to dantooine is this the original or mods?
No mods. All you have to do is go to Korriban early. I think Bioware really squandered some opportunities with this character. Ideas that Obsidian ended up incorporating in KOTOR 2. If you want to know more about what I mean, I wrote this article about it. So in case you're interested: tay.kinja.com/kotors-yuthura-ban-as-an-anti-hero-party-member-1792907592
People are still discussing this game? What a wonderful surprise... I'm playing it again after so long, I'm happy to see it's still cherished. :)
Indeed, Jim. These games are timeless. Stay tuned and join in on the conversations. KOTOR 2 is particularly ripe for discussion.
there's actually a mod for recruiting her, after redemtion
If I'm not mistaken this is the original
Wow this is heart warming. I always killed her and uthar. I wanted to rule.......but i end up slaughtering everyone. I dident kno she could be redeemed
I tried to redeem her, but it didn’t work out so well…
My persuasion was too low to redeeem her
Kotor - Best game ever. And Witcher 3 of course
All that work to redeem her, only for her to die on Dantooine with the rest by the very people she walked away from. Had she just stayed a Sith and let Revan leave in peace, she would’ve still been alive and in charge of the academy on Korriban. Just proves that in the end, it isn’t worth being good.
She would have died in that scenario too. In KoTOR 2 we find the place in ruins. The Sith turn on each other no matter what.
She likely survives. She has a descendant in SWTOR
It's like Dragon's Dogma where if you side with the tenants over the landlord to keep their land, that land eventually collapses into the MacGuffin sinkhole and they die. Had you helped the landlord and evicted them, they would live.
One question: Do you have to find the Map on Korriban first afther the one on Dantooine to trigger that? I tried it in my gameplay and Korriban was my second planet i visited and after that i ran promptly into the Leviathan
That's odd. The Leviathan should only show up before the last planet. So at most you can only find one other Star Map, other than the Dantooine one, before finding the one on Korriban. So making it your second planet should have been just fine. Which planet was your first?
@@PapitoQinn Ok, that could explain it. I forgot, that i only had Manaan left. So this makes sense and i hoped to trigger Juhanis Sidequest with more Level because her Story is one of the hardest to trigger without cheats
@@Anthyrion Keep talking to them. Before going to a new planet, go an one you've been to before and talk to them again. Keep doing that until they really are completely empty until a new Star Map is found.
@@PapitoQinn I know, i played the game when it released. But i didn't know, you could meet Yuthura after the Sith Academy. Mostly because Korriban is the last planet i go to
"wait what is that bright light in the sky? money money money AHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH'" - Yuthura Ban
Are you kidding me? This entire time you could meet yuthura on Dantooine after you redeem her?
Indubitably
the jedi and the sith each have a flawed understanding of the force in my opinion. the precurser to the jedi order, the je'daii order, used the force as a whole, ashla and bogan, light and dark, in perfect balance. they understood that light cannot exist without darkness. thats the biggest mistake that sith and jedi make, they dont look at the force in its entirety. thats why revan was so powerful, he was able to go beyond the teachings of the sith and the jedi, as a result, his usage of the force was balanced, light and dark.
She’s only able to join the light side because they hadn’t destroyed the planet yet, come to think of it she dies either way after the planet gets destroyed by the sith
She have a trgaic backstory but When I go dark side in KOtOR 1, I decide to kill her, well she will do a poor master, and teh previous one was fully cappble of maintening his authority, + he recognise me as Darth Revan Dark Lord of the sith. So I immagine that maybe Korriban excation will be lasting a little bit longer. + I think that Revan was taxing the excation.
Only the weak give up the true gifts of the Dark Side!
The brutal part is she would die when Darth Malak attacked Dantooene (did I spell that right lol?)
*Dantooine - But meh, close enough.
But the real question is does she deserve that? After everything she has done, does she deserve redemption? I don't think so and for that the only way out for her is retribution.
Can she earned it?
YUTHURA SOLDAT JEDI GARDIEN
Kotor 1 was just as philosophical as Kotor 2 amazing.
Let's not get crazy.