Never put equipment of that weight in your pockets. If your trouser rips, it could land on your feet and crush them. I always walked around with an 1000 pound anvil in my pocket and learned the hard way.
The Milwaukee definitely surprised me, wasn’t expecting it to continue to work. Funny how they’re not made in the USA, but they’re imported from Germany
the Milwaukee one is actually a relabeled/rebranded NWS and is the same as being sold under NWS, Engelbert Strauss and Berner for example... I got the Engelbert Strauss Version of some of their tools at home... damn good quality... like a lot of Knipex as well
Those expensive Milwaukee pliers are actually made in Germany. They have the "Solingen" marking on them. Solingen is a famous German steel producing town in the Ruhr valley. They are imported from Germany and sold under the Milwaukee brand in the USA. The "Milwaukee" logo appears to be only printed on them. The 1970s pliers have CRV marked on the handle, that usually means Chrome Vanadium steel, a very strong steel alloy.
When measuring correctly, the nail must always be at the same distance from the axis of the pliers. The small deviation makes the big difference in the measurement. Of course, all nails should have the same diameter and hardness. Only below these processes can one properly condemn the tools. PS: The crush test must also be carried out in the same work step, i.e. the distance between the axis of the tongs and the press cylinder must always be the same during the measurement.
@@marcschmid8677 Thank you for your comment. When testing the quality of several devices or tools, you should carry out all test parameters as similarly as possible. Then you can compare the quality more or less accurately. Best regards, Miron R.
Even funnier: Check where Knipex is located in Germany and where Solingen is. ;) Knipex is producing in Solingen as well so this "Milwaukee" pliers is actually a knipex product with milwaukee branding.
There are also a lot of unknown companies that manufacture for other brands, all about advertising and commercial business. Agreements to buy the name. ...business!
Nah the knipex is just not made for electrical use, heavier and multicomponent insulation grip would be inert for this video so he chose the simplest of each. Just that knipex has that option is indeed nostalgic in a way
The distance from the hinge to the nail significantly changes the mechanical advantage/leverage of the tool and changes the amount of force required to be applied to the handles in order to cut the nail. The distance should ideally by the same in all comparison testing.
Less the absolute distance but the relative position on the cutting blade. If the design has a mechanical advantage this should also show over just how sharp the blade is. Especially since you can just take a file and sharpen them yourself.
Just watch the video. Nobody cares about the input you have. These videos are meant to be watched, not discussed. The TH-cam comment section is for sucking up to content creators and scamming everyone else, not discussing the videos.
There is a comment that went somewhat unnoticed, in which a Polish said that "Yato" manufactures all the tools in China, and that the best from Poland is "Coval" or "Kuźnia". In good faith I believe in his words; because in the test there is a little cheating by presenting an American pliers that is actually German. Greetings from Chile.
The Milwaukee pliers are stamped "SOLINGEN". This is a German designation of origin for quality tools from the town Solingen, Germany. Looks like NWS tools pliers.
It is not only looking, it is NWS pliers! Felo also use NWS as OEM supplier of pliers. Those unique features are patented (like Vampliers unique features, that are actually made in Japan by Engineer Inc.), so companies just pay and buy branded end product.
The funny thing is, that on the Milwaukee Blade is written „Solingen“, which is a german city known for its good blades. So it‘s not an american but also a german product in fact.
Most of Milwaukee products are made in China (2/3) some in Canada, Germany, Czechia, Taiwan. This video is aiming to show USA products are best, but no. Hopefully they are made to a US specification rather than just rebadged. Current Milwaukee pliers are made in Taiwan.
True, thought the same. "NWS Tools Germany" is the real manufacturer of those. They have a variaty of qualities, from cheap to really good. I think they are competing with Knippex head on. However they always have that "little extra", for example the nut grabber in the cutting bay. I got a whole set of the VDE-Version; they are truely awesome.
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The Milwaukee is obviously a rebranded NWS Combimax that is made in Solingen, Germany. The Knipex and the NWS are both at 16 Euros here in Germany. Charging almost twice the price is incredible.
the milwaukee was also made in germany... you see the "Solingen" on the pliers... thats a city in germany, well known for factories prod. sharp knifes and good tools
It's important to measure the weight at equal distance from the pivot point since even if the downward force is the same, torque is greater when applied further away from the pivot point 💡
@@benvlootski yup! And another factor someone else mentioned is that the same thing applies to the nail. It also needs to be kept at a constant distance from the pivot!
Like the test but anyone who has used side cutters (linesman pliers) knows that putting the nail or wire etc farther back in to the cutter makes the cut easier. If the same nail is in different positions on the different tools cutter, it will effect how much force is needed to cut whatever it is your cutting.
@@tamas7555 the best way to test it is on the edge of the straight of the arms before they angle. And pressure should be made at an angle for maximum efficiency. Like a 21 degree angle. Like you put pressure on pliers if it is too strong to cut the less energy costing way, where the arms are edging and press straight down. Everyone can understand the pliers are way less effective there to cut though stuff and easely break if you put some muscle into it.
From a person who has to use side cutters every day, great video! I would just point out though that the Milwaukee pliers are a German design, and are also made in Germany.
Also I pointed out (having used linesman pliers for 20+ years) that putting a nail or wire farther back towards the pivot will decrease the force needed to cut something. A few of the tests the nail was in different positions and farther forward will increase the force needed.
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I think the lesson here is unless you have a way to apply 1,000 pounds of pressure to a pair of linesman pliers, get vintage pliers at a yard sale or swap meet for $2.
Yeah right!? Old stuffs were made to last… New stuffs just compromise quality for a lower price. Anytime I browse people’s yard sale, I always look for good old stuff. They don’t make them like that anymore! Or you need to fork out $45 for a pair of pliers!
@@ChieflauNYC yep! I have the 1970 pliers. They were mu grandpa’s. I didn’t even have to pay $2! I try to use at least one of his tools on every project I do.
They all will last forever as long as you don’t put it under a hydraulic press😂😂😂 that is why they call it hand tools🤦🏻♂️ specifically designed to be used by your hands not on a freakin press😫
@@ChieflauNYC "compromise quality"? Maybe if you're using the pliers to prop up your car, but most people use pliers with their hands, and none of these pliers would break in your hands. So I think it's worth it to compromise its lifetime under a hydraulic press to have a lower price
The "US"-brand is clearly indicated as "Solingen". And that's in Germany. The more: to have a precise measurement of the cutting force the center of the nail to the turning point og the pliers AND the distance from that pont to the hydraulic press must be THE SAME in all experiments.
For this test to be truly equal the press needs to apply pressure the same distance from the pivot point on each tool. Otherwise short handle tools will seemingly get higher numbers due to less torque at the handle. Remember Torque = Force x Distance. Or in this case, Force = Torque / Distance.
which goes some way to explain how I broke a pair of 3 foot long (approx) manual cable shears many years ago when chopping up some cables that in hindsight might actually have been a tad too much for them - no hydraulic press required!
You can’t test this way, ITS WRONG the distance from the nail to the shaft should be the same on all models and also the distance from the press to the shaft should be the same
For amateur of all amateurs I'm very happy to go with Chinese $3 dollar shop plier. No way I can apply 200KG+ force on it, looks the quality is actually better than I expected. But of course if I'm a Pro then it is a different story.
Side cutters aren’t designed to cut 4mm nails. Totally agree for ‘amateur’ / diy / infrequent use budget pliers are probably sufficient, however if you’re an electrician using them day in day out got for the best / most durable you can afford.
@@jojojo9240 If you are someone who works for a living with these tools everyday, it´s ok to spend more in quality. But if you are an office employee who just want a plier to hold a nut or cut some wire at home, the cheaper one will be enough. Just that.
Wow, the "Milwaukee" pliers is actually a German NWS Combimax just with different grips and the Milwaukee logo slapped on it. I can buy that exact same model for about 25 dollars here in Switzerland, but since Switzerland generally has higher prices than the rest of Europe, I'm sure you can buy it for even less in the European Union. That margin is ridiculous..
Yes the Milwaukee is Made in Germany you can get it for 17 Doller. The German from Knipex is the 12 Doller and the cheapest Knipex you can get. The NWS is 17 Doller. Prices in Germany
If he had used expensive Polish tools and cheap German tools, the result would have been completely different. The German tool should work six times better to be profitable, but it's not.
Felt sorry for the 70s pliers-they’d managed to survive for that long and were qualitative enough to put a nice competition with the other ones. Nice vid though!
I have a couple pairs of the anonymous 1970 pliers that I picked up at a boot sale 30 years ago. They're identical to Elliot-Lucas pliers I used to have that were made in the 60s and 70s. Every bit as hard-wearing, too. Quite pleased to see them beat the pants off the modern versions.
As an electrician i cringed when the first subject to be cut was a freaking nail for 2 reasons: -wire cutters are made to cut COPPER WIRES. Yeah some can cut nails too, but you'll notice a reduction in effective wire cutting quite quickly if you do decide to use it for things it wasn't intended to do. -there are so many better tools to deal with nails in whatever situation. It is like using a regular pair of scissors to cut down a tree. You shouldn't and you might get through a tree eventually, but both you and the scissors are worse off.
As an asshole in concrete, they do a lot more than tie up junction boxes. They'll cut steel wire, steel mesh, tie wire, remove nails, and a many more fun and games.
Why does that matter? This is already a pointless video because no one is gonna accidentally break their pliers by applying 200 kg force on the handles.
Not sure if this was an accurate test because 1) the nail didn’t look like it was put in the same place in each pliers and 2) the distance between the center of the jaw pin to the center of the press shaft looked different for each pliers. The distance between the end of a lever and where the fulcrum is can make a huge difference in the amount of force required to move the lever.
Just another test that is inaccurate, well to a degree. As for sake the best tool was the 1970 model. You are right but the quality of the alloy and thicknesses (amount) of metal used plays a role as well.
Ofcourse it's not accurate I'm sure a 2 dollar china to a 45 dollar "USA" isn't the same. It should at least be the same price if not country. It's not accurate at all to compare them.
Interesting test. But in my opinion if all the pliers are at different price points, it would be mildly inappropriate to specify which countries they were from. And the fact that you didn't put the nail in the same position for each test just renders the outcome of the tests flat out worthless. Milwaukee one is from Germany as well btw.
Best American-Made lineman's pliers are Klein J-2000, but they weren't tested. And I think those Milwaukees are made in Germany, at least that's what the stock number shows
Milwaukee. Is a US brand. but the pliers shown in the video were produced in Solingen, a city in Germany. It even says on the tongs. Its name is the only city in the world to be protected as a trademark. A novelty that Solingen owes to its cutlery industry: more than 600 years of blade and metal craftsmanship characterize the cityscape. So it is not a US pliers. But a Solingen on which Milwaukee printed its name. Nice greetings from Germany. And thank you for liking our tool. I myself like US trucks better than German cars😁.
Milwaukee ... stamped "Solingen". The tool maker town of Germany. Btw. some damage on the cutting edge are resulting of the plier tongues snapping close against each other after cutting the nail. You don't want the snapping counter force down your wrist. 4 mm steel is needing a dedicated heavy wire cutter. The costs of injuring your hand/wrist is higher than buying the proper tool.
No matter which country is the tool produced in, one thing is always true: high price=high quality. Vice versa. Countries like China also have excellent tools, it just depends on whether you are willing to pay more.
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Incrível como os grãos do aço, bem ali na ruptura, do alicate da década de 70, são quase imperceptíveis. Isso demonstra a qualidade no tratamento que foi dado bem como indica que as discordâncias na estrutura cristalina foram minimizadas: "se as discordâncias não se moverem, a deformação plástica não ocorre!"
Creo más bien que no observaste bien el área transversal de la parte que se vence y rompe. El grosor en esa parte que se corta es muy muy pequeño en comparación a las otras pinzas, sí se llega a notar el grano pero hay que poner mucha atención. Velo en cámara lenta. Es aún más sorprendente ver que una pequeña área transversal soporta lo mismo que otras con mayor área transversal.
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I would have liked to see more consistency in the placement of the nail. Just 1 mm forwards or backwards will have a huge impact on the force needed to cut the nail
i used to have these Finnish made pliers somewhere from the early 1900s and I swear i could cut 6 mm nails no problem hand forged by a skillful blacksmith in the ages of peak tool making
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Nice discussion here, sometimes in addition about the impact of the position of the press intender on the handle. But if you compare the results of the destroiying test, the question is. What value do we get with a load difference between 282 to 453 kg, a load which nobody can intend with the hand on the grippers. Even by extending the grippers with two tubes of apr. 20 - 25 cm it is not possible to get such load into the pliers. The only reasonable test is the cutting test, but as mentioned, with such a big nail and a load of minimum 120 kg, this is also not realistic because no one can bring up this force with the hand. Such plier cutters are limted to smaler steel wire maybe up to 2 mm and copper wire. Important for the quality is the cutter sharpness and even more the durability by a correct heat treatment.
There are a couple of people in the world that can generate 120 kg++ of pinching force with 1 hand. I bet if they extend the grippers that they can get something similar to those numbers.
the "american" product called "Milwaukee" does not come from the USA. It also comes from Germany, from Solingen to be precise, and has the ISO standard 5746, which was also developed in Germany.
All about moments of force, the comparison should have been made with hydraulics resting on the levers of all pliers with same distance from the fulcrum. Same goes with the nail used as load. I think the data is not that accurate as it looks.. but intersting video nonetheless ☺️👍
Las pinzas de los años 70's, si se fijan bien, en la parte que se vence y rompe, es mucho más delgado (el área transversal de corte) que todas las demás pinzas. En otras palabras: con menos grosor proporcionaba la resistencia suficiente para ser funcional. Increible!
I'm not sure whether these pliers are from USSR, but they are very similar to those ones. Actually all tools and instruments were of high quality because they were made not for marketing purposes but to be used by ordinary people in everyday life. And they were very cheap.
WoW it says Milwaukee USA for 45$ but is actually a German one. It says on it Solingen and a ISO number. Solingen is a small German town known For His knifes Greetings From Germany
I have a pair of heavy duty Klein side cutters from the 90's and as much hell as I've put them through cutting random things that needed to be cut, they've outshined any cutters i have. Still sharp, still in perfect condition. They're about $40 at Home Depot for a pair of the same side cutters.
@TH-cam Commenter Good point. Poor quality has always been around. Though I´m not sure overall. There were no home depot shops with chinese trash offers back in the 70ies. It was more normal to repair something and not just dump and rebuy things. Maybe mantality was more quality friendly. And people asked a pro to do the job.
@@冯先生-t4e Yes, I personally find tools made in the Republic of China (Taiwan) to be of very high quality. However, in my branch of precision engineering, tools made in Switzerland are the actual standard... high-quality products require the best tools and materials without compromise...
the thing about tools is this: How many times have you been in a jam or had a major problem, and something as mundane as a hand tool, rescued you? I love 'em and collect them whenever i can.
I have those side cutter pliers in my tool box. They are SOLID!! Use them all the time and now realize I'll have a hard time replacing them if I ever need to
I’m 72 and the last compression test I did I scored 35 kilos..so I’ll be good with my 40 year old Klein until I can’t squeeze no more. I always love watching tests like this.
@@yvesnerona13 I guess they haven't read my comment properly, it shouldn't be cutting the whole wire just the plastic. Saying this after working in construction sites for years.
Please choose the same price each country... USA made vs China but the price difference is almost 10 times, If the same price the china made should be 10 times stronger..
Fun video to watch but I don't see the point of comparing a $45 name brand with $2 handy man tools, everyone knows you get what you pay for, but if I only need a tool to loose a few bolts and a 2 dollar made in China cheappo gets the jobs done then it's good enough tool for me 😁.
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Excellent Work :-)) The Milwaukee are made by NWS of Germany, just like some of their screwdrivers are made by Witte of Germany, Good quality and on par with Whia, Wera, Felo and Gedore/Stahlwille :-))
I would self declare CHINA to be the winner. Since it is the very much value for money. Moreover, practically, we apply very less pressure on the plier(within limit of proportionality)
considering the time the old one is produced and beating many other products of today is a great story. Loved it. we dont have milwakee toos in Turkey. we use mostly german tools in our company.
The experiment is a bit off, because the hydraulic press is not located at the same distance away from the pivot point in each test. This changes the amount of force needed, because the pliers is essentially a lever. A longer lever needs less force input
That's part of the design of the pliers though, which is what is ultimately being tested. As long as each test is a reasonable simulation of how that pair of pliers might be used.
Pretty sure the $3 pliers would be fine for 99% of use cases. While you might be able to get up to 112 Kg if you squeeze with both hands, I doubt you'll get up to 234 kg.
yeah, most of chinese said that. No one can make 234kg handpower so cheapest is best. So that's why chinese can't make masterpiece😂 they never tried original top. They just change top's meaning like lie, scam, cheat🤮
The majority of adult men could not lift 112kg using all of the muscles of their arms and legs, so I doubt that more than a tiny percentage could squeeze 112kg with their hands.
@@trei222 The Chinese are where the Japanese were 50 years ago - making cheap low quality stuff mostly copying Western ideas. Look at the Japanese now - making the best quality stuff.
On the Milwaukee Plier is on the side with the Productcode 4932464572 clearly written "Made in Germany". You are trying to hide it in the video by cutting it exactly under the Code but one can see it at 12:10. So you knew exactly that this is a German and not US plier, the question is why you are trying to lie about that fact? Not everyone knows that Solingen is a city famous for the Steel, but "Made in Germany" is pretty obvious....
The guy chose the chepeast as Chinese and the most expensive as American, extremely bias. He should have compared cheap and expensive ones in two different categories.
I see a problem with a nail posotion - regarding the arm of the force applied over the lever. this should be an unified parameter over the testing cases.
Quality Asian makers (Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysian, Japan...) always give you the best value for the money. The only exception is China who always churns out the crappiest products at low cost.
I spent many years welding pipe and you cut alot of tig wire doing that. 316L 5/32" stainless tig wire will let you know if your side cutters are any good. The best pair I ever had as far as cutting with less hand applied pressure were a pair of Heavy Duty Craftsman. They lasted about 6 years until one of the jaws broke off and by then Craftsman no longer made them the same. What they called their new heavy duty side cutters were trash and I went back to my old Klein J-2000s, which is what the majority of tig welders use.
Não sei se ele converteu a inflação, (acho q nao) por isso talvez pareça essa diferença Grande de custoxbeneficio pelo que vi na internet daria 15 dólares e uns centavos. Aí o valor começa a fazer mais sentido.
И еще один момент , это советские плоскогубцы . И новыми они стоили меньше , чем стоят сейчас . Если привязаться к доллару , то новые были 1.5 $примерно .
Thank you. What a shame the strength of my hands are limited. Are the milwaukee pliers made in Solingen ? Is that Solingen the knifemaker city in germany or US ? Solingen and google ... a lot (nearly all) german premium tool brands are produced in the area Solingen and Remscheid.
Only reason why you don't see everyone in the comments going "cHiNa pRoDuCt cHeAp n wOrThlEss" Couldn't confirm their bias on this one hahahahhahaahahhaa
Well we live in a world where people should really stop using throw away products that dont last long. Also the price could also be cheap not just because of low quality material but also what the people who make them get.
@@smarty265 the dollar goes further in many other countries. you can get better standard of living on a lower budget in China than the US. with the amount of automation throughout the supply chain the human cost is less and less relevant, it's just that China has built massive factory cities with massive economy of scale, many are not easily replicated in other nations which is why so many factories are still in China even with China being antagonized and higher labor cost than the other SE Asian nations. the US used to have factory cities back in the day when they were producing for the world, but they are now a part of the rust belt. not easy to mobilize a work force of hundreds of thousands, build an entire city ecosystem revolved around manufacturing, the bureaucracy alone is difficult for many nations. China has structured itself to reduce red tape for massive mega projects and adapted to it for decades now. way too simple to just say China products suck and cheap because cheap labor, trade would have never established there if better competitors exist. cheaper labor has not been an advantage of China for a long time now
Interesting video. As an Australian, I would have to say that, while most of the brands tested are available here, they are not the most common. I suspect that the Chinese offerings are sold here by major hardware and automotive accessories chains under their own brand names. The best known Australian brand is Sidchrome, I have two of their 160mm combination pliers. One from the 1970s with handles dipped in PVC as insulation, one from the 1980s with fancy moulded grips and chrome plating. The earlier model is much thicker and made of harder steel. Unfortunately, many Sidchrome tools are now made in China. I would love to see a comparison with an Australian made Sidchrome, Swedish Bahco and a quality Japanese brand such as Hozan. I would expect the Bahco to be at least as good as Knipex. Unfortunately, I don't have a massive hydraulic press in my garage, so I'll have to be content with speculation.
As an electrician, these are commonly referred to as Kliens, like you used to xerox something. I would love to know how the actual kliens did in this test.
electrician NOT use this type pliers newer, i has be elektrician factory and civil house and not has need this style pliers ewerythink last 40 year. peel have own pliers and no newer need this pliers anywere.
I am also an electrician and used my Klein side cutters yesterday. I agree I would like to see how they stack up. Although I wonder if the "70's" version was a set of old lineman's
El alicate es una herramienta manual, así que salvo que la use el "Increíble Hulk"... no creo que haciendo un uso racional se rompa cualquiera de ellas. Así que cada cual que elija... No siempre lo mejor es lo más caro.
Estoy de acuerdo pero también se puede deducir que la alemana necesita menos fuerza para cortar... En relación precio/durabilidad/fuerza de corte me parece la mejor opción... Solo mi humilde opinión, saludos desde Argentina, se las llama pinzas, alicate es solo para cortar
well, technically, the closer the nail is to the center pivot, the lower the force required to snap it. The nail was not positioned equal distances, with the old tool it was almost in the worst spot.
i have at home SIX, yes 6, of those pliers from 1970 :)). they were bought sometime between 1983 and 1985 but anyway, its exactly that like in the video. and they still resist, they are awesome
I would love to see some pry bars, including the Milwaukee pry bars because they claim the I beam design won't bend, so when they do reach that failure point are they going to snap(which seems like the worst thing a pry bar could do when failing)
U should compared the cheapest pliers from each country...and the most expensive one you find Not fair comparing $2 against $45 So $45 should be X22 stronger than $2
Uh how about no.. For users like me, i would want comparison between those brand available on the market .. Not gonna buy those no brand from who knows who made it
@Hurley Cape town Comparing a ferrari and A toyota is absolutely normal... take a supra and compare it to a portofino But when u compare a laferrari to a corolla, then thats just insane Back to speed, well pliers have only two things to compare...cut and grap...where by comparing cars u have luxury interior...wheels...engine...paint...etc And by the way...a ferrari does have more STUFF in it than toyota have, which can be multiplied with the price, i dont know why you just want to add the speed in that formula where there are lots of things to consider!!! I hope you get the point now
@Crispy Cheese In the end you spent $45 on a plier which cost $2..and yes all of them broke eventually. No normal man can apply a 200kg of force to a tiny pliers by hand in order to break! Even if it break you still can buy 22 more pliers with the same money
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@@xatriox7 But this is a test of pliers, not companies just importing branded junk from China. Try Juco or Kuźnia pliers. They manufacture good stuff 100% in Poland.
Americans like German quality :-) Milwaukee made in Solingen Germany. At least one thing to be proud of in Germany. Great tool quality, but the politicians embarrass us worldwide xD
"Do not repeat at home"...Me, slowly stuffing my 4 ton hydraulic press back into my pocket
Yeah, I whipped out 7 of them only to have to put them away, bloody time waste.
U now u are able to stuff it in ur pocket, when you are a boy
Never put equipment of that weight in your pockets. If your trouser rips, it could land on your feet and crush them. I always walked around with an 1000 pound anvil in my pocket and learned the hard way.
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Next Video: Hydraulic Press vs Water...
The Milwaukee definitely surprised me, wasn’t expecting it to continue to work. Funny how they’re not made in the USA, but they’re imported from Germany
It's Germany or Germany in the end XD
the Milwaukee one is actually a relabeled/rebranded NWS and is the same as being sold under NWS, Engelbert Strauss and Berner for example... I got the Engelbert Strauss Version of some of their tools at home... damn good quality... like a lot of Knipex as well
@@orctrihar Solingen.
@@derKarl_stp Irwin has NWS rebranded pliers too
Made in Solingen-a label for quality.
Those expensive Milwaukee pliers are actually made in Germany. They have the "Solingen" marking on them. Solingen is a famous German steel producing town in the Ruhr valley. They are imported from Germany and sold under the Milwaukee brand in the USA. The "Milwaukee" logo appears to be only printed on them. The 1970s pliers have CRV marked on the handle, that usually means Chrome Vanadium steel, a very strong steel alloy.
Yep, made by NWS
Thank you Miranda
I want to see a Grenade crushed. 👍🏻
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I just deleted my post cause i noticed your reply about that Solingen brand (that is a city also), where i'm been visiting that company XD !!!
When measuring correctly, the nail must always be at the same distance from the axis of the pliers. The small deviation makes the big difference in the measurement. Of course, all nails should have the same diameter and hardness. Only below these processes can one properly condemn the tools. PS: The crush test must also be carried out in the same work step, i.e. the distance between the axis of the tongs and the press cylinder must always be the same during the measurement.
Correct. And don't forget the sharpness of the pliers cutting features (don't know the correct word).
@@marcschmid8677 Thank you for your comment. When testing the quality of several devices or tools, you should carry out all test parameters as similarly as possible. Then you can compare the quality more or less accurately. Best regards, Miron R.
I love how your "US" tool is actually from Germany "Solingen" (known for their knifes).
My country (Argentina) used to buy blades for sabres from Solingen in the 1800 and 1900 i think.
Even funnier:
Check where Knipex is located in Germany and where Solingen is. ;)
Knipex is producing in Solingen as well so this "Milwaukee" pliers is actually a knipex product with milwaukee branding.
There are also a lot of unknown companies that manufacture for other brands, all about advertising and commercial business. Agreements to buy the name. ...business!
@@rPaul_werner_1967 It's actually not Knipex, it's nws
@@rPaul_werner_1967 Hab mich als solinger auch gerade drüber geärgert. Gilt das eigentlich schon als kulturelle Aneignung?^^
I like how the german ones come in the least flashy packaging, have the most humble insulation and a general vibe of old timey quality. Love them.
Deutsche Qualität
Nah the knipex is just not made for electrical use, heavier and multicomponent insulation grip would be inert for this video so he chose the simplest of each. Just that knipex has that option is indeed nostalgic in a way
Deutsche Handwerkskunst
@@ichnichdu123yuki6 knipex. the nazi brand. they make weird stuff. not for me. i had a few of their stuff back in the day. its unamerican.
As a professional auto tech I only use Knipex. The quality, feel, and longevity are the best I've used.
The distance from the hinge to the nail significantly changes the mechanical advantage/leverage of the tool and changes the amount of force required to be applied to the handles in order to cut the nail. The distance should ideally by the same in all comparison testing.
Less the absolute distance but the relative position on the cutting blade. If the design has a mechanical advantage this should also show over just how sharp the blade is. Especially since you can just take a file and sharpen them yourself.
Just watch the video. Nobody cares about the input you have. These videos are meant to be watched, not discussed. The TH-cam comment section is for sucking up to content creators and scamming everyone else, not discussing the videos.
technically it makes sense
@@looksirdroids9134 Troll much ?
YEP. i was thinking about this too. the basic "law of the lever"
There is a comment that went somewhat unnoticed, in which a Polish said that "Yato" manufactures all the tools in China, and that the best from Poland is "Coval" or "Kuźnia". In good faith I believe in his words; because in the test there is a little cheating by presenting an American pliers that is actually German. Greetings from Chile.
Actually, yato is from JAPAN. I use alot of yato tools
The Milwaukee pliers are stamped "SOLINGEN". This is a German designation of origin for quality tools from the town Solingen, Germany. Looks like NWS tools pliers.
It is not only looking, it is NWS pliers! Felo also use NWS as OEM supplier of pliers. Those unique features are patented (like Vampliers unique features, that are actually made in Japan by Engineer Inc.), so companies just pay and buy branded end product.
Haha lol
looks like Milwaukee knows where quality is coming from :D
Ja deutsche Wertarbeit
Milwaukee owner: Techtronic Industries, a Hong Kong-based company, with brands which include: Milwaukee Tools, AEG (under a license from Electrolux AB) Ryobi (under a license from Ryobi limited) Homelite , Empire Level , Imperial Blade, Stiletto, Hart, Hoover, Oreck, Vax, Dirt Devil. TTI's brand portfolio includes Milwaukee Electric Tool , AEG , Ryobi , Homelite , Empire, Stiletto, Hoover US, Hart, Oreck , Vax , and Dirt Devil. 🖐😎
The funny thing is, that on the Milwaukee Blade is written „Solingen“, which is a german city known for its good blades. So it‘s not an american but also a german product in fact.
They are manufactured by NWS, who do produce a lot for companies who print their Name on Products.
Finally, thanks!
its an imported product xD
Most of Milwaukee products are made in China (2/3) some in Canada, Germany, Czechia, Taiwan. This video is aiming to show USA products are best, but no. Hopefully they are made to a US specification rather than just rebadged. Current Milwaukee pliers are made in Taiwan.
@@jonwragg3822 the one in the video was in fact german and is a common model thats sold here...^^ just rebranded. the origin is inked on
I love how he tried not to show the "Made in Germany" on the Milwaukee Pliers. Solingen by the way is known for its tradition in knife and toolmaking.
True, thought the same. "NWS Tools Germany" is the real manufacturer of those. They have a variaty of qualities, from cheap to really good. I think they are competing with Knippex head on. However they always have that "little extra", for example the nut grabber in the cutting bay. I got a whole set of the VDE-Version; they are truely awesome.
And Yato is a Chinese company bought by tool trading company from Poland
this video was stolen from a Russian author, here is the link, you are being deceived th-cam.com/video/Ch6Mid1Da3Q/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=crazyrussianexperiments
@@onursenturk5375 they talkinganout the Milwaukee tool
@@onursenturk5375 Just stop at 10:42 you can ez see the "Solingen" on the "US" Knife
I'm very happy to have, and use, my dad's old pliers - he had those as a mechanic for as long as I can remember.
Still very useful!
Solingen costs the same as the other german pliers at $25 each, but it became $45 because of the “Milwaukee” ink slapped on it.
Just like Harley Davidson.
Knipex is also a known brand but both are from Germany
The Milwaukee is obviously a rebranded NWS Combimax that is made in Solingen, Germany. The Knipex and the NWS are both at 16 Euros here in Germany. Charging almost twice the price is incredible.
That's always been my problem with Milwaukee. Nice tools but ridiculous price on their name alone.
American just love to pay extra for a show.....
the milwaukee was also made in germany... you see the "Solingen" on the pliers... thats a city in germany, well known for factories prod. sharp knifes and good tools
This is NWS (Germany)
Solingen ist also in wuppertal. I live there😅
It's important to measure the weight at equal distance from the pivot point since even if the downward force is the same, torque is greater when applied further away from the pivot point 💡
Got there first this is really important as it could change the results by a massive amount
@@benvlootski yup! And another factor someone else mentioned is that the same thing applies to the nail. It also needs to be kept at a constant distance from the pivot!
Wanted to comment the same issue. If you try again with the 1970 plier with a longer distance, you will prob find same values Like for the Knipey
Who cuts nails with a pliers?
Who has a 200 Newton grip?? Brock Lesnar?
I have a 40 year old knipex plier which my late father brought it from Saudi Arabia in the 80s and still to this day,it never disappointed me.
Like the test but anyone who has used side cutters (linesman pliers) knows that putting the nail or wire etc farther back in to the cutter makes the cut easier. If the same nail is in different positions on the different tools cutter, it will effect how much force is needed to cut whatever it is your cutting.
Wanted to write the same, but it's already here. As well lever arms were different. Thanks man.
That's absolutely true. However it makes no difference if the cutting part of the plier gets damaged or not, just on the lever
The lever arms must be facored in to come to a fair comparison. Basic maths actually. Force*distance so you dont need to redo the test.
@@tamas7555 It basic physics, not maths.
@@tamas7555 the best way to test it is on the edge of the straight of the arms before they angle. And pressure should be made at an angle for maximum efficiency. Like a 21 degree angle. Like you put pressure on pliers if it is too strong to cut the less energy costing way, where the arms are edging and press straight down. Everyone can understand the pliers are way less effective there to cut though stuff and easely break if you put some muscle into it.
From a person who has to use side cutters every day, great video! I would just point out though that the Milwaukee pliers are a German design, and are also made in Germany.
Also I pointed out (having used linesman pliers for 20+ years) that putting a nail or wire farther back towards the pivot will decrease the force needed to cut something.
A few of the tests the nail was in different positions and farther forward will increase the force needed.
@@rickjeffjeff Not really, no! I'm not a car man to be honest, I'm more of a pliers type of guy!
Solingen.
@@rickjeffjeff BMW stands for Boston Motor Works 🏴 of course, or so I have been told! USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 … 🤪 Nahhh… Bayerische Motoren Werke from Bavaria 🏴
@@rickjeffjeff Is it Nestlé ?
I think the lesson here is unless you have a way to apply 1,000 pounds of pressure to a pair of linesman pliers, get vintage pliers at a yard sale or swap meet for $2.
Yeah right!? Old stuffs were made to last… New stuffs just compromise quality for a lower price. Anytime I browse people’s yard sale, I always look for good old stuff. They don’t make them like that anymore! Or you need to fork out $45 for a pair of pliers!
@@ChieflauNYC yep! I have the 1970 pliers. They were mu grandpa’s. I didn’t even have to pay $2! I try to use at least one of his tools on every project I do.
I have a blacksmiths anvil in working order from 1790. It's still close to 56 rockwell hardness after 230 years of service.
They all will last forever as long as you don’t put it under a hydraulic press😂😂😂 that is why they call it hand tools🤦🏻♂️ specifically designed to be used by your hands not on a freakin press😫
@@ChieflauNYC "compromise quality"? Maybe if you're using the pliers to prop up your car, but most people use pliers with their hands, and none of these pliers would break in your hands. So I think it's worth it to compromise its lifetime under a hydraulic press to have a lower price
The "US"-brand is clearly indicated as "Solingen". And that's in Germany.
The more: to have a precise measurement of the cutting force the center of the nail to the turning point og the pliers AND the distance from that pont to the hydraulic press must be THE SAME in all experiments.
NWS makes the pliers. Obviously very smart of Milwaukee to use them as a supplier of some of their tools .
For this test to be truly equal the press needs to apply pressure the same distance from the pivot point on each tool. Otherwise short handle tools will seemingly get higher numbers due to less torque at the handle. Remember Torque = Force x Distance. Or in this case, Force = Torque / Distance.
yes, but ig they were nearly same distance, also torque = r X F, its cross multiplication so
i was gonna say
@@eugene9661 leverage can alter results. And they never go above and order some matco or snap on stuff..
which goes some way to explain how I broke a pair of 3 foot long (approx) manual cable shears many years ago when chopping up some cables that in hindsight might actually have been a tad too much for them - no hydraulic press required!
@@oksowhat There is only on direction of applied force so it would simplify to what the OP said.
You can’t test this way, ITS WRONG
the distance from the nail to the shaft should be the same on all models and also the distance from the press to the shaft should be the same
basic physics
For amateur of all amateurs I'm very happy to go with Chinese $3 dollar shop plier. No way I can apply 200KG+ force on it, looks the quality is actually better than I expected. But of course if I'm a Pro then it is a different story.
Why is it a different story then?
Side cutters aren’t designed to cut 4mm nails. Totally agree for ‘amateur’ / diy / infrequent use budget pliers are probably sufficient, however if you’re an electrician using them day in day out got for the best / most durable you can afford.
@@jojojo9240
Maybe company pays
@rigamortice I am sure this will help make Britain great again.
@@jojojo9240 If you are someone who works for a living with these tools everyday, it´s ok to spend more in quality. But if you are an office employee who just want a plier to hold a nut or cut some wire at home, the cheaper one will be enough. Just that.
I have the 1960-70's one, except it has two adjustment sizes. Better that anything I've ever had really.
Wow, the "Milwaukee" pliers is actually a German NWS Combimax just with different grips and the Milwaukee logo slapped on it. I can buy that exact same model for about 25 dollars here in Switzerland, but since Switzerland generally has higher prices than the rest of Europe, I'm sure you can buy it for even less in the European Union. That margin is ridiculous..
You see on the "Milwaukee" the Name Solingen thats a region of Germany this one is Made in Germany too
In germany about 17 Dollar
@@DrFeger There is only one Milwaukee tool in the video so the OP is obviously talking about the same one.
@@krashd you dont get it, he said that the milwaukee has a made in solingen on it and thats a city in germany
Yes the Milwaukee is Made in Germany you can get it for 17 Doller. The German from Knipex is the 12 Doller and the cheapest Knipex you can get.
The NWS is 17 Doller.
Prices in Germany
The lever arms were different for each test. So it wasn't scientifically accurate. Nevertheless, German quality tools are in a class of their own.
Exactly no comparable tests
If he had used expensive Polish tools and cheap German tools, the result would have been completely different. The German tool should work six times better to be profitable, but it's not.
中国没有同样价格的
AKCHOOWALLY
Agreed, fundamental to load required for failure.
Felt sorry for the 70s pliers-they’d managed to survive for that long and were qualitative enough to put a nice competition with the other ones. Nice vid though!
Yes how these old pliers should have been preserved instead of destroying them
@@mannnnuuu C'mon, it's not like they're from 1770...
@@MrT3odor 52 years anyway
I feel sad. It looks like my father's pliers
i know... i felt that way too. like he destroyed a part of history.......
I have a couple pairs of the anonymous 1970 pliers that I picked up at a boot sale 30 years ago. They're identical to Elliot-Lucas pliers I used to have that were made in the 60s and 70s. Every bit as hard-wearing, too.
Quite pleased to see them beat the pants off the modern versions.
As an electrician i cringed when the first subject to be cut was a freaking nail for 2 reasons:
-wire cutters are made to cut COPPER WIRES. Yeah some can cut nails too, but you'll notice a reduction in effective wire cutting quite quickly if you do decide to use it for things it wasn't intended to do.
-there are so many better tools to deal with nails in whatever situation.
It is like using a regular pair of scissors to cut down a tree. You shouldn't and you might get through a tree eventually, but both you and the scissors are worse off.
I bet youre real fun at parties.
@@mcal9320 its not a party here...
As an asshole in concrete, they do a lot more than tie up junction boxes. They'll cut steel wire, steel mesh, tie wire, remove nails, and a many more fun and games.
im more concerned with the direct view of sharp nail side that could 100% penetrate your eye/cam or other parts.
Why does that matter? This is already a pointless video because no one is gonna accidentally break their pliers by applying 200 kg force on the handles.
I will use the 3$ one. Cheap and functional. I don't care about the cutter sharpness.
clearly you don't need it often
Would i be cutting thick nails with a pair of pliers? No of course not! ok for cutting thin nails or wire
Not sure if this was an accurate test because 1) the nail didn’t look like it was put in the same place in each pliers and 2) the distance between the center of the jaw pin to the center of the press shaft looked different for each pliers. The distance between the end of a lever and where the fulcrum is can make a huge difference in the amount of force required to move the lever.
Just another test that is inaccurate, well to a degree. As for sake the best tool was the 1970 model. You are right but the quality of the alloy and thicknesses (amount) of metal used plays a role as well.
Moral of the story-
China products are cheap and uses low quality material with no guarantee.
Boycott China!! 💀🙏
-Voice from Taiwan
Ofcourse it's not accurate I'm sure a 2 dollar china to a 45 dollar "USA" isn't the same.
It should at least be the same price if not country.
It's not accurate at all to compare them.
I'd like to see some Sheffield steel (English) ones for comparison. Either modern or vintage (pre-1980s) would have been interesting.
I have always found Sheffield steel to be the finest quality, have kitchen utensil that are more than 50 years old still going strong. British quality
The cutting test would make sense if you placed the nail as far back at possible. Every mm off on the side cutter can make tens of kg's of difference
Interesting test. But in my opinion if all the pliers are at different price points, it would be mildly inappropriate to specify which countries they were from. And the fact that you didn't put the nail in the same position for each test just renders the outcome of the tests flat out worthless. Milwaukee one is from Germany as well btw.
Boom line is that anything made in China is worthless
Milwaukee parent company is TTI, a Chinese company based in Hong Kong... responsible of the design
huh
@@guillemot380 I am pretty sure the engraved "Solingen" is everything one needs to know
@@guillemot380 they're maneufactured in germany tho
Best American-Made lineman's pliers are Klein J-2000, but they weren't tested.
And I think those Milwaukees are made in Germany, at least that's what the stock number shows
Solingen is a Town in Germany! It is better known for Knifes! "Die Messerstadt Solingen"
Soligen -The city of Blades
Klein is founded by a German immigrant, so the design is based on German-made models
Milwaukee. Is a US brand. but the pliers shown in the video were produced in Solingen, a city in Germany. It even says on the tongs. Its name is the only city in the world to be protected as a trademark. A novelty that Solingen owes to its cutlery industry: more than 600 years of blade and metal craftsmanship characterize the cityscape. So it is not a US pliers. But a Solingen on which Milwaukee printed its name.
Nice greetings from Germany. And thank you for liking our tool. I myself like US trucks better than German cars😁.
It's true. Also Apple is a US brand but you'd be shocked to learn where iphones are actually made.
Milwaukee ... stamped "Solingen". The tool maker town of Germany.
Btw. some damage on the cutting edge are resulting of the plier tongues snapping close against each other after cutting the nail. You don't want the snapping counter force down your wrist. 4 mm steel is needing a dedicated heavy wire cutter. The costs of injuring your hand/wrist is higher than buying the proper tool.
No matter which country is the tool produced in, one thing is always true: high price=high quality. Vice versa. Countries like China also have excellent tools, it just depends on whether you are willing to pay more.
It's very true. I don't like China but the test must be equal.
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@@tundratiger9473 I don't see China invade other countries!
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Incrível como os grãos do aço, bem ali na ruptura, do alicate da década de 70, são quase imperceptíveis. Isso demonstra a qualidade no tratamento que foi dado bem como indica que as discordâncias na estrutura cristalina foram minimizadas: "se as discordâncias não se moverem, a deformação plástica não ocorre!"
Eu n estava botando muita fé nele
Antes o aço era mais puro ferramentas antigas neste quesito são melhores
Cara realmente não esperava alguém com conhecimento de resistência dos materiais, eu tava pensando na falha e no limite de escoamento.kkkkkkkk
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Creo más bien que no observaste bien el área transversal de la parte que se vence y rompe. El grosor en esa parte que se corta es muy muy pequeño en comparación a las otras pinzas, sí se llega a notar el grano pero hay que poner mucha atención. Velo en cámara lenta. Es aún más sorprendente ver que una pequeña área transversal soporta lo mismo que otras con mayor área transversal.
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I would have liked to see more consistency in the placement of the nail. Just 1 mm forwards or backwards will have a huge impact on the force needed to cut the nail
N*m 라 거리가 길이가 조금만 바뀌어도 토크값이 증가할테니 모든 공구의 거리를 같게 해서 측정해야지 이런 방식으로는 납득할 수 없습니다.
That would be more useful
Was thinking exactly the same.
i used to have these Finnish made pliers somewhere from the early 1900s
and I swear i could cut 6 mm nails no problem
hand forged by a skillful blacksmith in the ages of peak tool making
Next time, it would be interesting to do a test of products made in different countries with similar cost
Exactly. 50 dollar chinese made pliers are way better than the one shown in the video
@@paniniman6524 Yes of course its better then, it would be sad if not XD The point is, If ALL would have cost 50 dollar.
@Shiang Yu Yang Huawei is worth every dollor, XiaoMi electronics, DaJiang Drones, BYD Electric Buses 70% of global market share, times have changed and is continuing to change, you get the point.
@Shiang Yu Yangi think his point was that everything is made in china, we all agree the brands arent chinese
@Shiang Yu Yang 😂clown knows nothing about China
On the Milwaukee you see the name SOLINGEN. A town in Germany famous for scissors and knifes. So Milwaukee is obviously made in Germany.
Nice discussion here, sometimes in addition about the impact of the position of the press intender on the handle. But if you compare the results of the destroiying test, the question is. What value do we get with a load difference between 282 to 453 kg, a load which nobody can intend with the hand on the grippers. Even by extending the grippers with two tubes of apr. 20 - 25 cm it is not possible to get such load into the pliers.
The only reasonable test is the cutting test, but as mentioned, with such a big nail and a load of minimum 120 kg, this is also not realistic because no one can bring up this force with the hand. Such plier cutters are limted to smaler steel wire maybe up to 2 mm and copper wire.
Important for the quality is the cutter sharpness and even more the durability by a correct heat treatment.
There are a couple of people in the world that can generate 120 kg++ of pinching force with 1 hand. I bet if they extend the grippers that they can get something similar to those numbers.
You are right, but uhhh... This is iust some experiment pal, does not have write that essay
@@Timo-Epis ur m0mm can do it with me. Hahaha
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Stfu 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 USA for the win!!!
Great test! Thank you for your video stressing all of them! Just a complement, Milwaukee is a rebrand of NWS, a German company and made in Germany.
the "american" product called "Milwaukee" does not come from the USA. It also comes from Germany, from Solingen to be precise, and has the ISO standard 5746, which was also developed in Germany.
Came to watch a video on tools and ended up having to watch an advert on how to make my hair smell nice. Clever placement.
Please, no more side cutter tests with steel nails! Those cutters are intended to be used on copper wires or small steel wires but not on nails!
I mean I don't think anybody has the strength of a hydraulic press anyway.
Why it's just an test right?
Why not? We will definitely figure out which cutters have the toughest Jaws
Nobody wants to see something they know it can cut lol that's partially the point
The "test" ist nonsense. But everyone who is watching these videos wants to see stuff crushing 😄
All about moments of force, the comparison should have been made with hydraulics resting on the levers of all pliers with same distance from the fulcrum. Same goes with the nail used as load. I think the data is not that accurate as it looks.. but intersting video nonetheless ☺️👍
Yeah, not at all accurate! And the Milwaukee being servicable afterwards? Maybe as a garden tongs, certainly not as pliers.
Moral of the story-
China products are cheap and uses low quality material with no guarantee.
Boycott China!! 💀🙏
-Voice from Taiwan
Las pinzas de los años 70's, si se fijan bien, en la parte que se vence y rompe, es mucho más delgado (el área transversal de corte) que todas las demás pinzas. En otras palabras: con menos grosor proporcionaba la resistencia suficiente para ser funcional. Increible!
СССР
I'm not sure whether these pliers are from USSR, but they are very similar to those ones. Actually all tools and instruments were of high quality because they were made not for marketing purposes but to be used by ordinary people in everyday life. And they were very cheap.
@@romanson87 no la veo en el mapa que paso? 🤣
La risa sin razon es un signo de locura!
No es del 70 es herramienta de enfierrador los venden en la actualidad y no es para uso doméstico especialmente
WoW it says Milwaukee USA for 45$ but is actually a German one. It says on it Solingen and a ISO number. Solingen is a small German town known For His knifes
Greetings From Germany
I have a pair of heavy duty Klein side cutters from the 90's and as much hell as I've put them through cutting random things that needed to be cut, they've outshined any cutters i have. Still sharp, still in perfect condition. They're about $40 at Home Depot for a pair of the same side cutters.
You can tell from the break point which metal grain indicates the highest quality. In 1970, quality was even more important than quantity.
@TH-cam Commenter Good point. Poor quality has always been around. Though I´m not sure overall. There were no home depot shops with chinese trash offers back in the 70ies. It was more normal to repair something and not just dump and rebuy things. Maybe mantality was more quality friendly. And people asked a pro to do the job.
If you use the same price to buy the same tools, China is still the most cost-effective!
@@冯先生-t4e Yes, I personally find tools made in the Republic of China (Taiwan) to be of very high quality. However, in my branch of precision engineering, tools made in Switzerland are the actual standard... high-quality products require the best tools and materials without compromise...
Cheap ones also do the job, depending on the purpose
I was most impressed by the tight grain structure of the 1970's pliers.
They seemed to have the best grain structure of all. I was very impressed as well.
They were marked CRV on the handle, that's Chrome Vanadium steel, a very strong steel alloy.
@@mirandahotspring4019 True. But most of these pliers are tho.
I’m not gonna lie, seeing that vintage pair of pliers being mutilated like that, brought a tear to my eye!
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As an old tool collector, I thought the same thing.
the thing about tools is this: How many times have you been in a jam or had a major problem, and something as mundane as a hand tool, rescued you? I love 'em and collect them whenever i can.
>>>DITTO
I have those side cutter pliers in my tool box. They are SOLID!!
Use them all the time and now realize I'll have a hard time replacing them if I ever need to
The Germans always make good quality Way to go Germany you won 👏👍🙌🏻🇩🇪
Thats why i always buy american brands! They take the german quality and make it better
I’m 72 and the last compression test I did I scored 35 kilos..so I’ll be good with my 40 year old Klein until I can’t squeeze no more. I always love watching tests like this.
The best thing is that the one from the USA actually also comes from Germany. There is Solingen written on it. Solingen is a german city.
The "side cutters" aren't necessity for sharpness. If it's too sharp it will snip the cable along the peel.
That's why they call them cutters
@@stickysimon0379 what do you mean?
@@shady8273 Its means they are made for cutting lol
@@yvesnerona13 I guess they haven't read my comment properly, it shouldn't be cutting the whole wire just the plastic. Saying this after working in construction sites for years.
@@shady8273 then use a proper tool. 🤡
Please choose the same price each country... USA made vs China but the price difference is almost 10 times,
If the same price the china made should be 10 times stronger..
There is no USA made product in this video.
@@Nikioko lol
Germany made tools is absolutely good for the price 👍🏼
45 $ Milwaukee tool is made in Germany too, Solingen on the back side is a german city, front side with the print is interestingly never shown
I think even the cheaper ones would still suffice given average grip strength
Fun video to watch but I don't see the point of comparing a $45 name brand with $2 handy man tools, everyone knows you get what you pay for, but if I only need a tool to loose a few bolts and a 2 dollar made in China cheappo gets the jobs done then it's good enough tool for me 😁.
А вы выставляли одинаковое расстояние от центра сгиба пассатижей до центра пресса? Мне показалось что инструмент стоял по разному. Это сильно влияет на результат.
Пиши нормальною мовою, тебе не зрозуміло
@@lynx2970 , когда лидеры бывшего СССР собираются , они не на украинском разговаривают, а на русском!!
@@9239045 Не розумію болгарську. Do you speak English? Russia is an occupant under sanctions
@@lynx2970 , ничего страшного))) скоро мы вас научим понимать русский язык)))
@@9239045 скоро)) Як там, за 3 дня Києва дійшли?
The distance to pushing point from the axis should be same in the all test. Did you consider effect of “moment” or “leverage”?
Excellent Work :-)) The Milwaukee are made by NWS of Germany, just like some of their screwdrivers are made by Witte of Germany, Good quality and on par with Whia, Wera, Felo and Gedore/Stahlwille :-))
exactly
What do we learned today: German pliers are the best
What have we learned from comments: there’s no such thing as US pliers
@@erynn9968 "Milwaukee" pliers not being made in the US apparently means that no pliers are made in the US...
@@vibaj16 heard about humour? Irony?
@@erynn9968 Asking if I've heard of irony is pretty ironic, given my comment
@@erynn9968 its not humour
I would self declare CHINA to be the winner.
Since it is the very much value for money.
Moreover, practically, we apply very less pressure on the plier(within limit of proportionality)
considering the time the old one is produced and beating many other products of today is a great story. Loved it. we dont have milwakee toos in Turkey. we use mostly german tools in our company.
The experiment is a bit off, because the hydraulic press is not located at the same distance away from the pivot point in each test. This changes the amount of force needed, because the pliers is essentially a lever. A longer lever needs less force input
I use pliers to cut stuff alot........... Anyone done this knows that you place the nails as close to the grip as possible :( This is a shitty test :(
Also, needing more force does not mean it's better. It means the steel has more flex to it. Which makes it is infact a softer product
That's part of the design of the pliers though, which is what is ultimately being tested. As long as each test is a reasonable simulation of how that pair of pliers might be used.
Спасибо ! Теперь я знаю, что NWSами больше 400 кг руками лучше не выжимать.)))
Смотря в каком месте
Pretty sure the $3 pliers would be fine for 99% of use cases. While you might be able to get up to 112 Kg if you squeeze with both hands, I doubt you'll get up to 234 kg.
yeah, most of chinese said that. No one can make 234kg handpower so cheapest is best.
So that's why chinese can't make masterpiece😂 they never tried original top. They just change top's meaning like lie, scam, cheat🤮
The majority of adult men could not lift 112kg using all of the muscles of their arms and legs, so I doubt that more than a tiny percentage could squeeze 112kg with their hands.
@@trei222 The Chinese are where the Japanese were 50 years ago - making cheap low quality stuff mostly copying Western ideas. Look at the Japanese now - making the best quality stuff.
On the Milwaukee Plier is on the side with the Productcode 4932464572 clearly written "Made in Germany". You are trying to hide it in the video by cutting it exactly under the Code but one can see it at 12:10. So you knew exactly that this is a German and not US plier, the question is why you are trying to lie about that fact? Not everyone knows that Solingen is a city famous for the Steel, but "Made in Germany" is pretty obvious....
As a german I feel honored! I Hope we can continue to satisfy people with our products all over the world! Have a Nice day :)
The guy chose the chepeast as Chinese and the most expensive as American, extremely bias. He should have compared cheap and expensive ones in two different categories.
@@containternet9290 And the "American" is actually also made in Germany, not in the US.
green energy and developed industry are not compatible. and without Russian resources you will not be able to please anyone))
@@mrSanders. :(
Just expensive
The Milwaukee cutter is made in Solingen Germany...
How did you know?
@@TheCrankshaftRotator
Solingen is written on the pliers. Solingen in Germany.
@@NIIKO899 Thanks
I see a problem with a nail posotion - regarding the arm of the force applied over the lever.
this should be an unified parameter over the testing cases.
Quality Asian makers (Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysian, Japan...) always give you the best value for the money. The only exception is China who always churns out the crappiest products at low cost.
I spent many years welding pipe and you cut alot of tig wire doing that. 316L 5/32" stainless tig wire will let you know if your side cutters are any good. The best pair I ever had as far as cutting with less hand applied pressure were a pair of Heavy Duty Craftsman. They lasted about 6 years until one of the jaws broke off and by then Craftsman no longer made them the same. What they called their new heavy duty side cutters were trash and I went back to my old Klein J-2000s, which is what the majority of tig welders use.
Nice test for fun. Cutters should be sharp, okay.
For the rest: those forces will never be applied, so no way I am going to pay the extra money.
O melhor na minha opinião foi o alicate 1970, pois além de ser o mais velho e o mais barato ainda aguentou muita coisa 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Não sei se ele converteu a inflação, (acho q nao) por isso talvez pareça essa diferença Grande de custoxbeneficio pelo que vi na internet daria 15 dólares e uns centavos. Aí o valor começa a fazer mais sentido.
@@TheSandroLive pode ser que seja comprado usado, tipo 1 dólar hoje....
И еще один момент , это советские плоскогубцы .
И новыми они стоили меньше , чем стоят сейчас . Если привязаться к доллару , то новые были 1.5 $примерно .
Thank you.
What a shame
the strength of my hands are limited.
Are the milwaukee pliers made in Solingen ?
Is that Solingen the knifemaker city in germany or US ?
Solingen and google ... a lot (nearly all) german premium tool brands are produced in the area Solingen and Remscheid.
The moral of the Story:
Dont Put any Tools under a hydraulic Press.
Absolutely right.. what a stupid test🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️👍
The Other Moral...only buy tools made in Germany.....also the company Milwauke do it as you can see they buy in Solingen Germany LOL
...And don't cut nails with your good pliers.
The price to performance of the Chinese one was so ridiculous that everyone else seems like they were so overpriced.
Only reason why you don't see everyone in the comments going "cHiNa pRoDuCt cHeAp n wOrThlEss"
Couldn't confirm their bias on this one hahahahhahaahahhaa
Also why they are all arguing accuracy of the test now. Totally predictable. So petty. Hahaha.
Well we live in a world where people should really stop using throw away products that dont last long. Also the price could also be cheap not just because of low quality material but also what the people who make them get.
A.K.A western junk. Premium pricetag for thin air. 😎
@@smarty265 the dollar goes further in many other countries. you can get better standard of living on a lower budget in China than the US. with the amount of automation throughout the supply chain the human cost is less and less relevant, it's just that China has built massive factory cities with massive economy of scale, many are not easily replicated in other nations which is why so many factories are still in China even with China being antagonized and higher labor cost than the other SE Asian nations. the US used to have factory cities back in the day when they were producing for the world, but they are now a part of the rust belt. not easy to mobilize a work force of hundreds of thousands, build an entire city ecosystem revolved around manufacturing, the bureaucracy alone is difficult for many nations. China has structured itself to reduce red tape for massive mega projects and adapted to it for decades now. way too simple to just say China products suck and cheap because cheap labor, trade would have never established there if better competitors exist. cheaper labor has not been an advantage of China for a long time now
Interesting video. As an Australian, I would have to say that, while most of the brands tested are available here, they are not the most common. I suspect that the Chinese offerings are sold here by major hardware and automotive accessories chains under their own brand names. The best known Australian brand is Sidchrome, I have two of their 160mm combination pliers. One from the 1970s with handles dipped in PVC as insulation, one from the 1980s with fancy moulded grips and chrome plating. The earlier model is much thicker and made of harder steel. Unfortunately, many Sidchrome tools are now made in China. I would love to see a comparison with an Australian made Sidchrome, Swedish Bahco and a quality Japanese brand such as Hozan. I would expect the Bahco to be at least as good as Knipex. Unfortunately, I don't have a massive hydraulic press in my garage, so I'll have to be content with speculation.
As an electrician, these are commonly referred to as Kliens, like you used to xerox something. I would love to know how the actual kliens did in this test.
electrician NOT use this type pliers newer, i has be elektrician factory and civil house and not has need this style pliers ewerythink last 40 year. peel have own pliers and no newer need this pliers anywere.
I am also an electrician and used my Klein side cutters yesterday. I agree I would like to see how they stack up. Although I wonder if the "70's" version was a set of old lineman's
El alicate es una herramienta manual, así que salvo que la use el "Increíble Hulk"... no creo que haciendo un uso racional se rompa cualquiera de ellas. Así que cada cual que elija... No siempre lo mejor es lo más caro.
De acuerdo totalmente, acá en mx les decimos pinzas, salu2
Estoy de acuerdo pero también se puede deducir que la alemana necesita menos fuerza para cortar... En relación precio/durabilidad/fuerza de corte me parece la mejor opción... Solo mi humilde opinión, saludos desde Argentina, se las llama pinzas, alicate es solo para cortar
well, technically, the closer the nail is to the center pivot, the lower the force required to snap it. The nail was not positioned equal distances, with the old tool it was almost in the worst spot.
They didn’t want to break the vintage thing.
i have at home SIX, yes 6, of those pliers from 1970 :)). they were bought sometime between 1983 and 1985 but anyway, its exactly that like in the video. and they still resist, they are awesome
I would love to see some pry bars, including the Milwaukee pry bars because they claim the I beam design won't bend, so when they do reach that failure point are they going to snap(which seems like the worst thing a pry bar could do when failing)
U should compared the cheapest pliers from each country...and the most expensive one you find
Not fair comparing $2 against $45
So $45 should be X22 stronger than $2
Uh how about no.. For users like me, i would want comparison between those brand available on the market .. Not gonna buy those no brand from who knows who made it
Thats like saying the top Speed of a Ferrari must be 20x faster than a Toyota,doesnt really work that way.
@Hurley Cape town
Comparing a ferrari and A toyota is absolutely normal... take a supra and compare it to a portofino
But when u compare a laferrari to a corolla, then thats just insane
Back to speed, well pliers have only two things to compare...cut and grap...where by comparing cars u have luxury interior...wheels...engine...paint...etc
And by the way...a ferrari does have more STUFF in it than toyota have, which can be multiplied with the price, i dont know why you just want to add the speed in that formula where there are lots of things to consider!!!
I hope you get the point now
@Crispy Cheese
In the end you spent $45 on a plier which cost $2..and yes all of them broke eventually. No normal man can apply a 200kg of force to a tiny pliers by hand in order to break! Even if it break you still can buy 22 more pliers with the same money
oh boy, can't wait to buy a hydraulic press to test this at home
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It’s a law requirement for such references to be in the content.
Same with "don’t stop the chainsaw with your genitals" - but you can try. 😆😆
The one from the US is actually from Germany, it can be worth mentioning considering its quality.
It stamped “solingen” in the metal.
Dude, Yato is from China, not from Poland. In Poland we have Coval or Kuźnia, these are one of the best tools you will ever get.
What are you talking about? Yato founded in Wroclaw so it's from Poland.
@@xatriox7 Yato is only a brand, not a factory. All their stuff is made in China
@@PiotrJOchwal
which doesn't change the fact that it is a Polish company.
@@xatriox7 But this is a test of pliers, not companies just importing branded junk from China. Try Juco or Kuźnia pliers. They manufacture good stuff 100% in Poland.
@@PiotrJOchwal When you think Chinese products are rubbish, it means you are poor
Americans like German quality :-) Milwaukee made in Solingen Germany. At least one thing to be proud of in Germany. Great tool quality, but the politicians embarrass us worldwide xD
Great to see that the Milwaukee plier has a writing with „Solingen“ in it 😂 By the way the german Capital City for knife production
That 1970 goves me a feeling of pride, mixed with the guilt of modern manufacturing.
Yo creo que la Alemana fue la mejor corto el clavo usando menos fuerza y aguanto mucho en la prueba de destrucción comparando calidad destacó en todo.