Shannon Sharpe & Gilbert Arenas react to Isiah Thomas rekindling Michael Jordan beef | Nightcap
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- Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to Detroit Pistons great Isiah Thomas' interview on The Draymond Green Show, where he discusses his beef with Chicago Bulls legend Michael Jordan. Unc and Gil explain how Zeke is not innocent in his feud with Jordan.
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Gotta give Isiah some credit to say that directly to Draymond
Biiiiiggg facts I can’t believe he said it to him but that’s isiah he got nice smile but got that dog in him
who would be scared of a donkey?
@shaquilhoskins3078 how when Dray been said it
@@ricky__s quite a few
Isiah has always been clear. He's from Southside Chicago and he doesn't duck any one. And when asked he has no problem sitting down with MJ and talking face to face.
Like him or not, Isiah stands on what he says and believes.
Your the real GOAT when you hardly do interviews, hardly in the news but is always mentioned by everyone all the time 😂
The last dance???
@@dparks2856 u proved my point genius, how many interviews did Jordan do over the years aside from that 🤨il wait
@@jonathanharris8566
My point is MJ gonna get the smoke after he shitted on people in the last dance
@@dparks2856 its been 3 years homey, besides who did he shit on but a guy he hates, due to a rivalry?
@@tyrismaxey
Pippen Krause Zeke. His teammates from his rookie year
Having Jordan on Club Shay Shay would be even bigger than Katt Williams interview. Make it happen Shannon.
He don’t want Jordan to get that shine lol
Now what is he going to do with that introduction?when he thinks LeBron is the goat😂😂😂
Jordan don't need any shine..he still got more than anybody.
Man please.....Shannon Sharpe is paid by UnKlutch Sports to promote LeBron, and Jordan knows this. Why would he interview with Shannon? About what? Whether or not he thinks LeBron is "the Goat"? 😂
That ain’t happening because that Shannon GOAT DEBATE about LeBron will come up and Madea Jr. ain’t gonna like it!!
Mike minding his own business. And has the whole internet going crazy. 😅
Mike couldn't sit and answer tough questions. He allergic to truth.
It’s not like Isiah is bringing these things up, he’s being asked those questions
@@jayyarbrough9902 Mike doesn't give a damn
@@jayyarbrough9902Mike doesn’t care. He is living his best life without being dragged into debate show drama. He’s above it all. Like he was above the damn rim posterizing fools in the league on a nightly basis. 💯
@@shawnd4415 Above it!? Isiah only has a platform because MJ talked reckless and lied about the dream team. Come on.
Why should MJ apologize to Isiah for telling the truth about how he felt at the time?. Isiah needs to move on it's 2024
I think he has but ppl keep asking him
He was asked a question and he answered it what part you missing
Because MJ is sending some ppl behind the scenes to apologize and Isiah said “ you called me a-hole on a national tv so if you felt like you need to apologize then do it publicly or let it be what it was. Don’t call me a-hole publicly and try to apologize privately”
I totally agree Isaiah based on his skill set should have been on that team, however I understand why he wasn’t. Isaiah and the so called Bad Boys started a new league called football because that’s the only way they could win. I you old enough to have sent those games buy Isaiah and the Pistons were trying to really hurt MJ, Pippen, and Charles Barkley.
That goes both ways
Unc is trying to steer the pot! He completely ignored Gil’s point about MJ shaking hands when he lost to Isiah and wanting the same in return. That was what was disrespectful to MJ. Unc is overlooking that because he likes Isaiah.
Unc likes MJ but he likes that Isaiah hates on MJ helps his LeBron argument nobody that beat LeBron actually talk about him other than Paul Pierce lol Dirk and Duncan don't do no talking.
@@SmittyEGBingo!
I agree! I luv unc man...but when commin to Jordan..stop takein it personal. Gil made a Factual poit! Dont dodge unc lol😅😅
You nailed it!
@@SmittyEGWhy would Dirk and Duncan need to? They beat him and his team in the Finals
Michael's issue is that when Detroit beat Chicago in 1989 and 1990, Jordan and the Bulls shook hands and congratulated them - regardless of the physical beating that Detroit put on them. But when the Bulls finally beat Detroit, they chose to walk off.
Exactly. For all of Jordan's trashtalk, he valued sportsmanship above everything
No Detroit was mad that Jackson and Jordan called the Pistons undeserving champions and said they were bad for the NBA. He said that to the media. That caused the walk-off.
Yes because that what teams did back then they only time they congrats the other team in the locker room.
100% correct.. it's not sportsmanship, Jordan is a true sportsman..
Boston didn’t shake the pistons hand when they beat them!
Gill is correct about the feud with MJ and Isaiah but Sharp still looking for an excuse.😂
Gil right about KD sacrifice did hurt KD's legacy and cemented Draymond, Clay, and Steph
No he’s not, they both been fitted from it. KD is known as a two time champ, not being ringless, so how was his legacy tarnished? in fact Steph’s legacy was hurt until he won the FMVP in 2022. Y’all just be talking.
@@skipbayless4375but every time they mention KD and his rings they immediately bring up how his move to GS was weak. The media was literally saying his rings have an asterisk. I think it’s dumb but the media runs the narrative and they still tear KD down about it to this day. KD does not get the respect he deserves to this day because of that move. They never mention how the warriors were 73-9 and blew a 3-1 lead before he got there
The Warriors were a stacked team before KD got there. If KD would have stayed, they could have won maybe 2 more rings. KD is a great player, but you Don join a stacked team and get praises for it. Just saying.
Well kd should do something outside of gsw to add to his because curry won 2 mvp and finals mvp without him, draymond won defensive player of year without him klay scored 70 without him iggy won finals mvp without him. They beat the team that swept him in the first round
@@leatherhoopbut everybody will be upset if LeBron James join Boston Celtics the team that beat him this should be the same thing about Kevin Durant cuz he came to a team that beat him he was up 3-1 he should not get a pass because that legacy tarnished himself already for joining that team it would be different if you join a different team and get his revenge to the team that sent him home in the finals just speaking facts
Which story is bigger? Isiah Thomas crying about MJ or public PED accusations about Lebron? Why haven't you touched that story yet?
Because accusations are just that! If he's guilty Balco should be able to provide proof right? With records and such. I don't think fans really want to go down that road because I'm almost certain some of their favorite players across all sports would be implicated
@@michaelkelly4314which is exactly why they should.
@@Kiernanglynn20 Yeah but it will turn sports on it's head. More importantly the integrity would be questioned. And most importantly the leagues would lose money because of the scandals
@@michaelkelly4314 bingo the last sentence is exactly why they won’t
@@michaelkelly4314Bull. MeToo allegations get discussed without proof. Try again.
Gil perspective spot on….talking about petty, men are petty, at this point Isiah go to sleep at night, sometimes you have to let it go…MJ standing on bidness like Gil said
MJ doesn’t even think about Isiah! You’ll get an apology when hell freezes over
Yeah. Doesn’t think about him but put a hour and half segment dedicated to Isaiah on his documentary the last dance. Please. Jordan will never stop thinking about zeke.
I like how quiet Shannon got when gil says mj shook Isiah hand but didn't to mj nah that's not wrong lol I guess lebron told shay shay to be quiet on that
@@Chefdemas33 The Bad Boys were a large part of story regarding the Bulls Dynasty. You can't leave them out. Being able to rise above all that dirty play is what made him the Goat.
@@daveclark8337 I agree Jordan was the goat. But people keep acting like MJ forgot about Zeke! He will never forget. Isaiah Thomas. Thee only 6”0 finals mvp in the modern era.
@@Chefdemas33 MJ can't forget about Isiah. Turn on NBATV and there's zeke working away to make ends meet.
When Gilbert Explained that Isaih didn't shake Jordan's hand personally after Jordan shook his... I understood exactly what the beef was about. As a result, Isaih wasn't in the Dream Team.
Still wrong about the Dream Team. Isaiah was dislike by many players on the team.
That is what led to him being left off the team. Not Jordan.
@@gregorylagrangebut Jordan was the only player to say, "if he's there I'm not playing" isiah deserved to be on that team
@@b9479 No he wasn't.
@@b9479 Pippen and Magic said it to and Magic said he was the reason Zeke wasn't on the dream team
@@gregorylagrangeExactly! It was Magic Johnson who made the call. He said it himself and he even said the frequency would have been off if Zeke was on the team.
Shannon got so much hate for Jordan
But has all Jordan's shoes. Sharpe is the biggest hypocrites.
Shannon is not a Jordan hater smh
@@jamalscott3706nah Lebrons just his crush
Fashion and player ain’t the same lil bro
@@adrianknight1406 preach.
That was a fantastic interview,
Thanks for the info,🏀🏀😎🤙
LeShannon mentions "the media" like hes not one of them 🤣
That not Kool dude
They always do that talking about no self awareness
Michael Jordan is not trying to talk to Isaiah Thomas
neither is isiah
@@leonardoyi3183 So he needs to shut up. Michael hasn’t said anything
Yeah,he needs to shut up
@@normajeaneason6983it wasn't isiah idea to talk about that...he was just answering draymond question....i guess you should pay attention to what happened before talking stupid things...
Or Shannon
MJ said he's lost all respect for Isaiah, personally, after he ducked his way out of Chicago FINALLY overcoming their biggest obstacle. MJ shook their hands and Boston's every year since his rookie year, and, of all players, Isaiah handled it like a [Insert Too $hort sample].😂
WHAT'S MY FAVORITE WORD?!?! 😂😂😂
So when the pistons finally beat the Celtics, bird and his boys didn't shake the pistons' hands. But people just brush that under the rug because it was bird.
BADBOYS OWNED JORDAN FOR YEARS.
@@ktillman2002 that's a pink person team vs a black one. Isaiah did that to another black team which seems worse.
He could've easily went up to MJ and they both could've squashed their respective beefs
Go look up Jordan on the Arsenio Hall before he beat the Pistons. He was talking mad shit about the Pistons, calling them undeserving champions etc. I wouldn't shake his hand either, except I would own it instead of making excuses or pointing fingers for it like them
I hate how NO ONE SEEMS TO REMEMBER LEBRON LEAVING CLEVELAND TO GO TO MIAMI BEFORE KD LEFT FOR GSW
And only went two for four with 4 HOF on it shits crazy how that’s a awful look for Farback Hairline
They wanted Jordan, and he wouldn't play with Thomas. This isn't rocket science - if the cost of getting MJ is not taking IT, everyone makes that deal. And Thomas, afaik, is the only person from that Pistons team that still complains about not being liked because he was on that Pistons team. They were heels and it won them a lot of games, but everything has a cost.
Shannon, it's called sportsmanship. You know all too well about that. If I beat you and you walk up to me and shake my hand, you're telling me congratulations. I was the better man today (nothing personal). When I lose and I walk past you after years of beating you, and you finally beat me, and I don't shake your hand, it's giving personal animosity.
Not after you call us undeserving champs ... Isaiah beat Bird Magic Jordan
Respect.... please
calling a team underserving champs aint sportsmanship from jordan...the pistons were simply better than the bulls..
First off, yes, you can if a team carries themselves like bush league players, they were called the bad boys for a reason.
Y'all need to make sense or just admit you don't know what y'all talking about. You should do your research and prioritize facts over feelings. The league didn't appreciate their antics, and other teams didn't either.
@@leonardoyi3183So clotheslining somebody is being better than them? And doing hip checks?
Idk why people are so confident that the Warriors would be done without KD. Like they beat the Cavs the previous year and were up 3-1. Why is it a stretch to assume they wouldn't beat them the following year?
They struggled and k. Love and kyrie was injured that’s why
@@dionnemosley6065you need to remember after Draymond got suspended for game 5 Iggy and Bogut got hurt. The league wanted to stretch the series for Lebron. That suspension was bull💩 The warriors would’ve had a gentleman sweep against the cavs💯😎
Well they beat a Cavs team without Love and Kyrie in 2015. Lbj singlehandedly carries that series to 6 games.
@@akhenaton1979 And bogut and Iggy got hurt the game 5 and when both were kinda equal, the warriors were 3-1 despite Harrison Barnes having an historically bad series at the SF position. An upgrade from that and the warriors were gonna get to the finals again literally like they did with Wiggins..
Bogus knees were targeted by JR Smith. Watch the series when he finally after maybe 3 times aiming for his knees. It was what they needed to guarantee beating the Warriors.
Bro like Bron didn't leave Cleveland twice and Miami.
Oh well Cleveland blew it. Cleveland blew it their first time with LeBron when they drafted him Cleveland blew it when LeBron came back… the Warriors added Kevin Durant. Cleveland had enough money to add another superstar to their roster, and they chose not to…. Cleveland allowed Kyrie to be traded to Boston then you left Lebron with a bunch of role players in 2018… hell yeah ima leave 🫡
Name a player equivalent to steph,russ,harden,klay,dray on lebron cavs first stint and last stint
@@kel4749he didn’t. That doesn’t prove anything because a few players don’t win a championship, a team does. Superstar teams aren’t specifically needed to win. Good players are needed. Detroit proved that in 2004. The Nuggets aren’t a collective of superstar players, but they’re a great team. The Raptors had Kawhi, a useful supporting cast and a good run. Besides, Lebron could’ve stayed and I’m sure they could’ve got another big player at some point. Either way, the point isn’t relevant as a necessary reason to leave.
@@kel4749kevin love
KG left Minnesota
Shaq left Orlando
Ray left Seattle
Thank you Gil for saying what it really is. Idc what others do to you GIVE ME THE RESPECT I GIVE YOU
Why doesn't Steph get any hate for flying to NY during the off-season and begging KD to come to Golden State? He deserves just as much hate, it was a weak move on his part too
Somebody knows something
Begging ? Stop it
Because they pick and choose who they love! They will just say KD could have said no. They like Steph and hate the others so they will spin a narrative anyway they want to.
@@AlfredLondon-wg8zwtruth hurts
@@AlfredLondon-wg8zwwhat u mean stop
IMHO, Gil is spot on with his assessment on the friendship (Zeke and Mike) of why Jordan didn't like the fact that Zeke walked off. Great convo
Hey man it wasn't a problem when Boston did it to the pistol so why was it a big deal when the pistol did it to the Chicago 😂
No he’s not. He’s a known Bullshitter that doesn’t know anything but acts like he knows.
Only Jordan knows why he has a problem with Isiah.
@@leeharris8258So if someone drops off a cliff you’re going to do it?
Isiah ain't take it personal, Mike did. The truth is, The Last Dance was all about how Mike take things personal aka being extra sensitive.😅
Gilbert Arenas is known bullshitter. Guy says anything to sound cool but doesn’t know anything
I give Jordan credit for staying quiet though this
Ironic thing bout Unc. He hates on MJ but he wears Jordans. 😅
That's weird, i never liked Jordan as a person and never supported his brand
It's called hypnosis
because he's a goofy
They’re just shoes
mrkymyrk
When has Shannon ever said he hates Jordan?
Yall Jordan fanboys get in your feelings when he states facts.
No wonder 90s was so soft.
Grown men fearing another man is so cute.😂
Shannon, why you mad bro? 😂
Only one mad are the Steph fan's,look at em go in da comments for the Top comment LOL
@@duffman1876 How do dudes be mad over other dudes??? 🤔 😂
I've never seen another professional athlete fanboy for another athlete like Shannon does. Shannon acts the same way with LeBron as Skip does with Tom Brady. I don't get it.
@@PoppaCYSShanon is far worse than skip. I don’t think skip would ever want to fight a whole team bcos of his boo thang LeBron
@@Sandalwood11 Well, I don't think Skip would fight anyone for any reason, so I don't think it's a fair comparison, but I understand your point.
Shannon "Shay-Shay" Sharpe,stop with the Jordan hatin' already😂😂😂
Where’s the hate?
Where the hate at? I must have missed it 😂
Pay attention
That’s ALL he does. Is he on Bron Bron’s payroll? He’s not objective. Lebron is the GOAT of participation and longevity awards. He’s like Emmitt Smith. He’s not better than Barry Sanders. He just stayed around longer 🤷🏽♂️
@@dwaynedwyer5847the hate is comparing a 6 time Finals loser, who could be a 8 time loser if not for Bosh/Ray & Kyrie & Draymond. Let’s not talk about Dallas and 5’10” JJ Barea defending Queen James and has him shooting 18’ fadeaways while also avoiding guarding Dirk after proclaiming to be able to guard all 5 positions. Tell the truth
The sports world needs MJ. Dude is the only sports personality that gets spoken about at least once a week (if not daily), without dropping an interview, tweet or post. I don't even know how this can be considered a beef. MJ said what he said and left the building. Dude has been living rent-free in Zeke's head since that Olympic snub. And let's be reasonable, MJ gave the USAB an ultimatum, they could have chosen to go with Zeke and MJ would have been cool with that, because he wasn't really keen on playing in the Olympics. The USAB and NBA didn't take no for an answer because he was the most marketable star they had. In the end, it all came down to business.
At this point it’s daily so that platforms like this can get views.
Its about Having the best team but chemistry is a factor too
Mike lives in Isaiah's head. 😂
In a penthouse suite with full service and all amenities. Lol
It’s called speaking your truth!!! Mike was a hater FR
But is he lying. Prove him false.
Jordan worshiper love to say Isiah hating every time he bring up he has a winning record against Jordan...Call it hate, but it is true
@@ashez45ifyFaxxx Jordan fake AF
@@CharlieXFBAhe ain’t no hater he just don’t give a f bout you or your kids 😂
I’m going to say this and I can believe this since the KD moved I always thought that the Warriors were always try to upgrade over Harrison Barnes because he had a historically bad finals and if they could upgrade that position to like an all NBA level dude they would win more rings, but they upgraded to another superstar so that he was always gonna be unbeatable
Brooklyn, OKC and now Phoenix. Just putting together a lot of talent doesn’t guarantee a title. You still have to play like champs to win!
@@howarddickersonjr.6994 we’re talking about the Warriors that were already a championship team that needed an upgrade at that position and they upgraded to a superstar
Exactly. Kudos to Lebron/Kyrie for walking them down, but people want to do this revisionist shit to enhance Lebron and diminish that warriors team. If they got the Wiggins we saw in 2022 on that warriors team either in that finals or any other rematch vs the Cavs/Toronto, warriors win every time. Not to mention all the shit that happened to their starting Center, Iguodala and Green suspension. Again, no sense in discussing spoiled milk, but let’s keep that same mentality when bringing up KD/warriors vs Cavs. Bunch of oh it’s because KD is there…imagine your argument is basically “omg you guys were better than us and if we removed your best player we would have won” The KD warriors hate is basically because they suffered from success. Had the story gone more like it did for Wade/Bosh/Lebron combo, his time in gsw would be remembered more fondly (lose the first title run and then come back to win B2B)
Finally some one said it!!! Harrison Barnes was the reason the warriors lost the series the guy was piss poor
That sacrificing one legacy to boost 3 take from Gil was spot on
Thank you for saying it zeek!
Shannon say they would've never beat the Cavs again. Bru, they had them down 3-1!! They should've never lost that one. I'm falling out of love with sports because of stuff like this. Smh😔. Can't trust it no more.
He's biased as fuck!
@@tyrismaxey Most people also believed that. And that was why Golden state had to pursue KD. The cavs later on in that series figured out how to beat GS. That’s post season basketball. That’s why you have a 7 game series, to have the opportunity to adjust and turn things around.
@KolaAlade-li5db Most people huh? You took a poll? C'mon bro don't come on here with your opinion and add "most ppl". That's your opinion.
What are you talking about?The cavs came back even better the year after they almost swept the entire eastern conference playoffs
To be fair they shouldn't have beaten the Cavs in 2015 Bron was up 2-1 before injuries set in and Kerr put iggy on him KD shifted the power so dramatically probably won't see a move like that In the nba again
Shannon is missing the point of someone being a competitor and going to join such an over stacked team that has already won. It shows that player's mentality
Yeah, the 3 time SB champion and HOFer doesn't understand being a competitor 😂
@@remywhite4377FACTS! These dudes in the comments live off envy fantasies of these athletes because there own lives suck. So they love to sound important in the comments
It also shows Steph Klay and Draymonds mentality because They called KD to join them. Gotta be fair in your critique
Question. People always say that KG stayed too long in MN and Lillard stayed too long in Portland. They say that because they their GMs didn't put enough around them. LeBron was in Cleveland for 6 years and played out his contract. Would it make you feel better if he stayed there another 4-5 years hoping for their GM to do something he hadn't done the previous 6?
@@wth718 In my opinion, it always looks weak when the ringless superstar in his prime moves cities to join a superstar with a ring. It seems like taking a shortcut even if it's not necessarily in all cases.
+Nightcap Bulls first 3peat wasn't a super team
That was never a superteam because outside of Jordan and Pippen nobody else could average 20
Shannon is talking about when teams drafted and developed their players, traded for players/signed players in free agency when the former team didn’t want to resign them as apposed to players joining/creating super teams and demanding trades while still under contract
Gil was on point with the Warriors' legacy argument! 👏
He wasn't on anything. He just defends KD on every critical situation
@@jamesball8519he was right tho bru he wasn't really defending KD
Well everyone but steph
Gil be on point with some of his takes. Objective at times but we are all human. I appreciate him though.
@@qdamusiq5006I like how neither Shannon nor Gil mention the warriors still WON another championship W OUT KD, while KD still been going from team to team trying to do the same. He needed warriors more than they needed him
See Gilbert Arenas explained why Jordan was upset the fact that he shook Isaiah hand every time they lost, but once Isaiah lost, he walked off the court without shaking Jordan hand and Shannon Sharp ignored it because he didn’t want to hear that because he’s a LeBron guy and he wants to blame Jordan every chance he can
I wonder how Shannon feels about Lebron and D Wade mocking Dirk being sick during the NBA Finals
Obviously you're not listening. The Celtics did that to the Pistons as well. In the Eastern Conference Finals. So the Pistons did it to the Bulls when it was their time.
@@ftrevino4493 I don’t care what the Celtics did to the Pistons. Jordan shook Isaiah hand every time they beat them so Jordan expected Isaiah to shake his hand once Jordan swept him
@@puncho8799Not only it was tradition but Jordan shouldn't expect nothing. You guys act like Jordan was innocent. He said publicly they didn't deserve to be champions.
@@ftrevino4493 I don’t care about tradition. He shook Isaiah‘s hand, so Isaiah should have shaken his hand.👌🏽
It's completely flawed thinking to say "Warriors weren't gonna beat the Cavs again."
- They lost in game 7 by 4 points
- Across the entire series GSW only lost by 4 points(703 - 699)
- They lost their backup center to injury
- Draymond was suspended for a game
In addition, the 5 years before these finals(2015-16), we had already seen 2 teams lose in devastating fashion, then return to win in the following year.
- 2011 Heat vs. Mavs (Lebron 'Frozen One') --> 2012 Heat vs. OKC
- 2013 Spurs vs. Heat (Ray Allen buzzer beater) --> 2014 Spurs vs. Heat (Largest avg. margin of victory in Finals history)
I am by no means saying Golden state would definitely win, but to say it is impossible is intellectually dishonest and a hypothesis passed off as fact to support these 2 narratives:
1. KD was not a reason the Warriors won 2 championships, he was THE reason. Despite the fact that the Warriors have now won before and after KD.
2. Lebron is so great because he would have had more championships otherwise. This is ultimately the narrative which Lebron pundits want to saturate in the public sphere.
Lebron is good enough to be judged by what he has done, not by what he theoretically could have done.
- Could Lebron have won more if KD hadn't gone to the Warriors? Possibly.
- Could Jordan have won more if he hadn't played baseball? Possibly.
- Could the Warriors have won if Draymond hadn't been suspended? Possibly.
To say 'the Warriors definitely weren't winning' is a weak assumption not supported by historical evidence nor by the series data itself; ultimately designed to push narratives which are self-serving.
I don't get why him amd pippen are so mad about mj .... he said he was a ass... and selfish in those situations, and they really were ... mj never said isaiah is a asshole or pip is selfish , but in those situations they were
Gilbert won't mention how Jordan and Pippen trashed the pistons calling them undeserving champions to the media before the series was complete.
You forget how the Pistons beat the brakes off Jordan and he still went to shake his hand after losing. Isiah should've shook his hand when the Bull beat them.
They were. They were on the court trying to injure people.
@_M.... I remember Kurt Rambis getting speared by Kevin McHale and no one has a problem with it but God forbid the Pistons play a little rough
@@elbowgang9715those Pistons, Celtics, and Knicks teams were rough. Even other players like John Stockton for example (I'm not going to list everyone) were slick in the way they did things.
They literally had. “Jordan Rules” and they did not win fairly
Where is the segment about lebron and Balco?
They will never touch that…. Especially since Shannon clearly got put on to the same “doctor” in the past few years lmao
But do you really want to go down that road? If so I'm almost certain if one were to dig, a lot of people's favorite players from across all sports would be implicated. Honestly do you think LeBron would be the only big name on there?
@@michaelkelly4314 no doubt. Like all the baseball players said, steroids didn’t give you an unfair advantage… they leveled the playing field. But if we are being honest, LeBron definitely on some serious new juice. During his time in Miami and going back to Cleveland he was on some serious gear. Now he seems like he is cruising at a more sustainable level
The media won't bring it up because then they'll have to start questioning how Tom "Shady" Brady was able to play 23 years in the violent NFL. BALCO
@@focuz4899 what proof do yall actually have about this "balco" stuff? Yall swear these athletes are on performance enhancers but unless you got proof you're just crying wolf.
Anyone notice how they didn't say that MJ had all these top 75 players or great teammates...just shows how special and great MJ was to win like he did with not as much talent as all these other players.
Going back to the no handshake thing with pistons I was a kid watching that series and game I remember something before in media bulls trash talked them and hometown or something so it was animosity over that
Isaiah needs to let that shit go, lol
Jordan said what he said...🤷🏾♂️
Mike has no fcks to give! Billionaire GOAT! The lion doesn’t concern himself with the opinions of the sheep!
100% FACTS! 😂🤣😂
@DraGanix33 lol u really think Jordan gave any fcks abt that bubble ring or 4th ring whatever u wanna call it lol u LeBron fans r sad
Why he wanted to come out with the last dance the moment Lebron came back from 3-1 ? And the whole series he was trash talking opponents and his own teammates.😂 and gm
Great point Gil...
Let me just say. This interview was a very thoughtful and well paces conversation.
I don't think it's rekindling any beef, but it's defining what was.
IT energy says he is at peace ✌️
KD’s legacy was tainted???? He is now known as a champion instead of being ringless. Meanwhile Steph was being ridiculed until he won in 2022. All I know is Steph has won without KD, and not the other.
and won it twice, without Steph KD is a ringless star but no hall of famer. Steph without KD and those two rings is still a hall of famer. Their are levels to greatness, Steph is in a different class , KD can only wish.
Gilbert is ringless also
@@Project_N89What?? KD is definitely a HOFer, with or without the rings. Probably the best scorer in NBA history.
@@Project_N89 Knicks fan here this bs Bro without curry is ringless? dude he was the FMVP twice and was not even close, curry was not better thn KD in those finals
@@Mad_Intalect from Monte Carlo here: not lebron not curry! Kevin Durant will make both Naismith Memorial and FIBA Hall of Fames when it's all said and done. omg if he won 1 more ring with fiba he brook al the fiba record noone did before.
Rekindling? LOL! Zeke, as he's been doing for years now, is talking to himself. Jordan won't ever respond to him, and that's what burns him up.
Jordan did respond in the last dance. And Jordan was CAPPIN HARD
Lord Isaiah Thomas honoured MJ came in on the Last Dance wearing a full suit and spoke well...only to finally get called an ASShole .
That's not right
Tell me of anyone who spokes well of MJ as a human being
@@muzidube6927 Exactly 💯... B*tch move by Mike
When has Jordan ever responded to anything
@@CharlieXFBAThat wasn't a response to Zeke, aside from what Zeke said in the documentary. It was his recalling of events. All of these little podcast interviews are beneath him. Get it right.
I love how we recognize what doesn't exist anymore in terms of the game, when we compare era's but forget what did exist back then when we do the same.
90s Bulls were not a Superteam, lbj legacy is jumpshipping legacy
But warriors won in 22 finals.
That’s 2 rings as opposed to 4
@@aubhreypender3091right and one of those rings came against Cleveland with no Kyrie and Kevin Love
@@elbowgang9715you know how this works bro that’s nba basketball, you could say the same with raptors vs golden state. Stop acting like it wasn’t prime bron taking on a young warriors team who never been there before.
People forgot the details as to why GS lost a 3-1 lead. The NBA helped Cleveland win that championship. They suspended Draymond Green for Game 5, fouled out Curry in Game 6 and 3 of GS players were playing hurt.
@@302ecnba had nothing to do wit any of that stop hatin
This legacy thing is starting to get annoying 😂 kd is one of the greatest to ever touch a damn ball
6yrs now and they still kd/warriors talkng
I've yet to see an interviewer directly ask Zeke: "Why do you think MJ hates you?", or "Why do you think MJ didn't want you on the Dream Team?" His response would be very telling..
Great point Gil!
Well said Gil I paid u respect pay me my respect
Isaiah Thomas full of poo… he been publicly talking crazy about Jordan for years and Jordan didn’t say much until The Last Dance
Right before game 4 Gilbert.Before Chicago swept Detroit in 1991 Eastern Finals.Jordan stated the way the Pistons who those 2 Championships was a bad brand of basketball the style the Pistons played. That is why Isiah felt disrespected and didn't wanna congratulate or shake the Bull players hand
Thomas needs to get over it...MJ not even responding to him. Thomas /Pippen is having these one-sided beefs is hilarious...lol
Jordan is not even think about that man
Without those rings. KD would be TMAC with longevity. Carmelo, but on better teams.
KD been to a finals as the leader of a team and many conference finals
KD is 10mln times better thn tmac. tmac never played second round playoffs. tmac dont have fiba MVP tmac dont have 4 times scoring champs tmac dont have league MVP so stop the hate and im knicks fan
i watched that game live, it wasnt only that thomas didnt shake mj's hand,he and his other cronies left the court(and walked by the bulls' bench) with time remaining in the game. an obvious snub. they made their way past bulls' bench,made no eye contact,hugged the owner,and went to the locker room. Salley,dumars,edwards were some notable pistons that shook hands when the buzzer sounded
Great take by BOTH UNK + GIL
Isiah did NOT rekindle the beef. Draymond rekindled it, with the question to Isiah! Isiah just answered Draymond's question. But expecting an apology from Jordan is delirious. Jordan, for whatever reason I won't get into, will NEVER EVER apologize.
Isiah is not expecting an apology from Jordan. He is good with whatever happens. He said if jordan expected the relationship to be repaired then he expected the apology, if not he is good with that, he don't care about jordan.
@@leonardoyi3183 I like your take... I don't care about Jordan either. I see him as another idol for the people who worship ball-players. I was defensive, as I first thought this was another Isiah-bashing article! Zeke was 1 of the hearts and souls of Detroit!
@@twhite3850yes, IT was great. Extremely underrated pg in my view...
people forget about the The 2003-04 super team with the Lakers that included Gary Payton at point guard, Kobe Bryant at shooting guard, Devean George at small forward, Karl Malone at power forward and Shaquille O'Neal at center AND Phil Jackson as head coach. Why? Because they couldn win, and shaq and kobe were in their prime. That was the best super team ever assembled
They had two older superstars. If they were both 5 years younger it would be outrage
Those two older superstars are still better than half of todays players in the nba but with a young kobe, and a prime shaq and good players on the bench with the best nba coach should have won championships. @@konah7555
You mean Gary Payton passed his prime and Karl Malone passed his prime?
Isiah embarrassed himself when he didn't shake the Bulls's hands
Yall whole superteam argument solidifies the argument that competition was tough back in the day. There were more COMPLETE teams built then. As opposed to today where its usually a one or 2 man show.
*How can Isiah say that when they lost to the Bulls in the playoffs and didn't show Jordan or his teammates no respect an didn't shake their hands & Tech fouls never got called at all during the series the Pistons lost to the Bulls*
Shannon hates KD!! He’s Lebron’s 3rd son
Shannon hates Jordan. Hates KD. Has all the smoke for everyone else except his boy being swept 2X in the Finals.
draymond. Shannon. Nick wright. Now JJ Reddick. Bron & Rich P has a big family of lots of sons.
John Havilicek coming off of the bench is wild.
I didn't know that.
If more people looked at his stats, he'd be in the top ten argument.
Zeke is still mad his nephew and his own family loved Jordan more than him !!!!
The 90s never done being petty with their grudges. We need GOAT intervention show, Unc!
That would be 🔥 📛 🔥. MJ, I.T, SCOTYY, ALL THE GOAT ON ONE PODCAST..😊
Shannon is low key trying to downplay MJ to build LeBron’s pitiful GOAT case….he’s not slick! Jordan wasn’t the only one who didn’t want Zeke on that team, Even Magic Johnson didn’t want him on there
And you know this how? Provide sources or it's just conjecture
@@michaelkelly4314The players said they didn’t want Isiah on the team but it was Jordan’s final say
@@michaelkelly4314 go on TH-cam and watch Scottie say it himself….him and other players DIDN’T want Zeke on the team
They all still had to show up and play.
But that extra Sniper and a little Defense to.
All those teams were organically put together by owners and GMs Lebalco James started the players empowerment/entitlement movement followed by KD.
Unc, that laker year when kareem got traded (which the bucks wanted and not kareems decision) wasnt a super team. Magic was still a rookie and kareem even missed crucial games on that finals.
Real fans arent mad when the team who won a championship was BUILT ORGANICALLY EITHER THRU DRAFT OR TRADED BY THE MANAGEMENT AND NOT ORCHESTRATED BY THE SUPERSTARS THEMSELVES TO JOIN EACH OTHER. That 2011 Heat was a superteam with a stacked bench players and the following year they got Ray Allen. Even NBA former and current NBA players said that what Lebron did was a weak move. What KD did was a residue on what lebron did. KD would have not done that if Lebron did not started that superteam.
Real basketball fans praises a team who wins even if thats not the team they are rooting for...BECAUSE THAT TEAM NEVER CHEATED THE GAME.
BOTH LEBRON AND KD RING CHASED...BASKETBALL HOF's SAID THIS. WHY THE 2007 CELTICS ISNT REALLY A SUPERTEAM? BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE 3 PLAYERS WHERE AT THEIR 30+s AGE WHEN THEY JOINED TOGETHER AND THEY ONLY WON ONCE.
FUN FACT: Lebron never won a single championship without "ATLEAST" Two Superstar/Allstar on his team and yes a stacked role players of his choosing. #FACTS
Revisionist history. They make anything to say and actually lie about the dynamics of the history, as if we didnt see what what we actually saw.
Warriors might’ve lost to Houston too without KD
So what about 2019 when KD went down and the Warriors still beat the Rockets?
Here's the thing about Zeke and that 92 Dream Team stuff. Shannon sits up there and says Isiah Thomas was better than Stockton at that time (as well as other fans outside of him) in 92 but tells the world he was finished by the 1991 ECF because of whatever injury it was. So how was he finished in 91 but better than Stockton in 92?
Joe Dumars and John Sally congratulated Jordan after the game, so Arenas is correct, it had nothing to do with team protocol. It was personal.
The warriors fans punching the air right now
Trust me we aren’t. We had 4 parades we cool
We don’t care in the slightest lol
We definitely not. They didn’t play the whole conversation where Dray addressed IT.
NOT..We won 2015(b4 Durant) & 2022, after Durant left...TRUST & BELIEVE...WE NOT MAD👑We just waiting to see what team Durant helps win a championship without the Warriors🤔
Guys Ocho doesn’t watch basketball. Gil knows his hoops and understands todays game and the history. Salute Gil! 🔥🔥
Kevin McHale big upped, dapped up, and every other up you can give Isaiah Thomas on the court when the Pistons beat the Celtics to go to the Finals for the first time. No one walks off the court before the game is over, the Pistons did that to the Bulls...look these two moments up.
Draymond should've asked Isiah did u go in the locker room & congratulate the bulls since the protocol was to go in the locker room and congratulate them after the loss
KD didn’t go there and ride their coattails, bro went and won Finals MVP.
....on an already loaded team that just cooked his former team the previous year.
paper champ.
Finals MVP or no?
@@mj23allday247 sure but you joined the team that stopped you from getting a true valued championship. he should have recruited one more player to okc instead of joining the warriors.
@@mj23allday247 when you're the best player on your team you dont go to another team to get a title you reinforce the team you're already on. he took the weakest route possible.
Man KD was riding the bus😂 Durant know that's gonna be over his head for a very long time
You & Gil are the wrong ones to talk about MJs issues.
Gil is seemingly often talking out the side of his neck but he occasionally gets things right and he’s spot on with the handshake thing.
I used to think Isiah had a point because the Bulls talked greasy about them b4 they swept them but if they were friends, then Zeke should have at least shook Jordan’s hand and he could have still bypassed the others
Unc is 💯 right. Isiah should have been on the ‘92 Olympic Team. And I think what people get wrong here, is that Isiah doesn’t want or need an apology from Jordan. He’s not asking for one. He’s saying it hypothetically, that if you called me a$$h-- on international television, then don’t apologize privately. Do it publicly if you didn’t mean it. if you meant it, let it stay as it is.
ZEKE IS DEFINITELY TELLING THE #TRUTH!
💯
Dude yall know the difference between super team and teams that are good. No one decided to go to a team with great players in free agency. Now a owner doing it is way different
You know the reason why Shannon has to push that narrative
Yall can kill this topic, Bron, Wade and Bosh started the Super team era when they got together them self and formed, not a GM or draft putting them together, like all the teams before them. Unc just Very Very Very BIAS when it comes to Bron and that's FACTS!
Regarding the Dream Team: I agree that Isiah was the second best point guard behind Magic Johnson. But the Dream Team is not the "Dream Team" without Michael Jordan. It was still the Dream Team without Isiah Thomas. Sometimes your actions have consequences and Isiah was left off the team because of his own actions.
Isiah was just jealous MJ took over his hometown
It started there but people not from the Go ain't gon understand that.
Facts
KD would of been viewed the same as Dame. Nah Unc!
Melo with a mvp
What y'all don't realize is those teams were built the right way. To sit up and seek other super stars to win a chip is totally different.
I'm still waiting on the nightcapnwhere they address the #newjuice Allegations...& Chael Sonnen & Victor Conte interviews.