Developer Relationships in FFXIV vs. WoW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- A trip down memory lane to compare the relationships the devs have with their players in FFXIV vs. WoW.
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Clips from Asmongold, Preach Gaming, ZeplaHQ, Jesse Cox, Larryzaur, FFXIV Live Letter, and various WoW Dev Q&A's. Give them all a follow!
P.S. I do truly hope that WoW can turn it around. I spent 16 years there and would like to feel good about playing it again, but in good conscience I can't support Activision Blizzard until they create a better work culture, start treating their employees with respect, and start listening to their players.
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WoW Developer "Our game doesn't suck, you just suck."
FFXIV Developer "When you cried during our story, I cried too."
Our game is based on a lottery and you're not good at the lottery, or buying stuff with real cash.
yoshi p asking asmogold how his mother is doing perfectly encapsulates why I love ff14 and its developers as it shows they are capable of empathy towards players and aren't just viewing us as cash cows
@T.A even if someone were to argue that it is just good HR from Square Enix. the fact that they bothered to learn about what was happening with Asmon's mom goes to show the amount of care YoshiP and crew gave
it is true that any company running a game must make a good profit from it. but FFXIV proves this is best achieved with happy customers who are happy to keep paying subs and spending money, rather than a revolving scam door.
you can tell yoshi is authentic, i mean just look at the world and writing of each game. the world that was created is coming from the minds of the creators, their inner world, what they see, experience, feel. ffxiv and eorzea is a product out of yoshi's vision/his fantasy, it matches what's going on in his mind.
you see something like wow, the poor writing, the systems made w/ $$ in mind and it's really a world that came from the mind of frat dudes who want to party.
Wasn't there a part where Yoshi had a conversation with Ion about the state of each other's game?
Your mean... Respect?
Asmongold: Plays FFXIV for 2 months
Yoshi P: How are you holding up? Is your mother okay? I'm glad you had time to make it to the stream.
What a guy
WoW Devs when something goes wrong, after 6 months of ignoring criticism: "I'm sorry you feel that way, snowflake"
FFXIV Devs when something goes wrong, even before being criticized: "We're sorry, we will do better. Here's a full breakdown of what went wrong and a 10 step plan for how we are going to fix it, with timelines."
This is the difference between success and fall of a company.
Also here's a gift for free since it was an unexpected inconvenience
@@BBQMork or even an expected one
@@dradamov that's exactly the thing, FF14's devs have been there, they know what failure feels like cause of 1.0, and it could be argued ARR owes just as much of its success to player feedback, as well as Yoshi-P's efforts.
FFXIV does *all* of it too!
One thing that always shocks me is how there is such care to YoshiP's interactions, that he makes an effort to interact in one on one discussion (with translators) with major content creators, and just be funny with them. Like, despite the language barrier, this guy has a better rapport with his western audience than WoW does.
The translators were even laughing in some of them LOL
This video is proof alone of why FF14 got the award for "Best Community". Not only is FF14's community friendly to one another, but the developers and staff actually play the game and interact with its community and streamers. This is why they deserve that award.
They didnt win the award for "best community" but for "best community care" there is a difference.
@@Neurogenesis1251 my mistake. I didn't see they won for "Best Community Support". It's just the amount of Fortnite toxicity on Twitter on how butthurt they are on this whole debacle that I got mistake as Best community
"Proof" ? The video is just buyest at best and simply follow the current trend of " wow bad / ff14 perfect ".
I won't talk where my personal preference goes , I just want to point out that this isn't an honest video montage, just a selection of video going on the way this youtuber want.
@@DF-fv1ld yea you're right. Cause there hasn't been undeniable proof from the 14 devs that they actually care about their game and players by trying to do everything in their power to make everyone's experience in the game a good one, while the WoW devs say they listen to the players and then don't do anything the players actually want. Played WoW since the beta, and also played 14 since 1.0. there's no comparison now, and I've shelved WoW for the foreseeable future. All this vid did was show why Yoshi P is an amazing human being. Havent seen anything from the WoW devs like what Yoshi has done.
Yoshi P cares so much about his community. Asmondgold 1-2 months in and Yoshi P has been paying attention and has been listening he's just an amazing guy who care for his community and doing his best to support others. I want to be half the man he is
Did you have a seizure while writing this?
@@CompagnonDeMisere25 no and I'm rather impressed the first thing commented is negative but you know what do I expect. Must be from wow
@@finagin5406 probably. Strange how we all think we a comedians when we are online.
@@adjwindu70 I really don't need to be funny I'm just putting forth a hypothesis on what game they play based on the comment.
Asmon an YP fucking destroyed the game by this.
It really saddens me how much love was required to make World of Warcraft, and how much greed and disregard was required to bring it to where it is today. I genuinely feel like I lost my home when I left Azeroth.
The signs appeared since BurningCrusade if you ask me.
For the descent did not came spontaneously.
It progressed very slowly - but the rotting never ceased to proceed.
But you are more than welcome in 14! :D
@@shoulderpyro i have been playing 14 for about 4 months now, but it's not nearly the same
@@RocoPwnage Which is only to be expected, it's a completely different game. Still, I hope in time you can see FF14 as your new home, or at least as a second home until hopefully one day, WoW realizes they are fucking up big time and return to the good days
I used to feel that way, I left at the end of cataclysm. Fortunately its been so long now and the game has gotten so far from what I loved that Eorzea is more my home now than azeroth ever was
Ion was a lawyer. I mean, that pretty much explains everything you need to know about his thought process.
That's his real name? He got a sister named electron er some shiz?
@@bannedmann4469 Yes. It's just Ian spelled with an o.
Lawyers suck. Dunno why he left. Don't lawyers make a lot of money?
@@danielwells1734 probably was a bad lawyer
@@ReffyAquaria "But your honor, if you don't declare my client innocent, you will be, in fact, killing the memes"
I like how Zepla's interview was 75% memes and jokes. Yoshi P played along so well. Love that man
I've noticed that Yoshi-P do care. I've been watching streamers complaining about how the FF14 map is a little difficult to navigate and I thought so too and in Endwalker they updated the map and teleport system. There wasn't a big announcement about it like we have listened and we delivered and give themselves a pat on the back. They just did it.
Now if only they listen about fixing up drks.
@@SyperDT they did, it's called variety of tanks :P, nah drk is getting a fix in 6.05 for sure which is jan 4th which is a Tuesday
@@SyperDT yea...drk is still screwed
How did they update it?
Gaslighting is often defined as manipulating someone else into making them question their sense of reality. A typical example is making the victim believe they are at fault when they clearly are not.
Remember when I asked a similar "what character would you hang out with" question on the forums when I played in Mists and a Blue Text made fun of the question. Meanwhile Yoshida has a real think about the question.
Major difference.
Just like Hollywood, blizzard has taken on a culture of snark and mean spirited superiority over their fans. These are not the people who made the franchise beloved.
For a non-WoW player, what's a Blue Text?
@@keybladesrus Blue text is when a blizzard employee posts on the forums. Usually a community manager.
It's simple, Yoshi-P is Human, Ion is a malfunctioning Robot attempting to mimick Human emotion. Given the huge issues at Blizzard/Activision, I'm sure he fits in perfectly.
Worse. Ion was a lawyer
My God, I miss Chris Metzen. Everytime he would be talking about WoW and the lore, he was looked like a kid in a candyshop. You could just feel the excitement. Hell, even his banter was all done in good faith.
I like to think it was when he left that things started going down the shitter for WoW. At least imo
@@canadiancanucklehead8310 He worked on WoD, though. He left after the disappointment stating the stress was just too much after so many years of pressure. Perhaps WoD turned out the way it did in part because Chris just couldn't go on like that and tried to force it. Regardless, I still miss him so much. We owe him some of our greates memories of all time.
@@LeicaFleury WoD started out amazingly, though - the story, the dungeons, the leveling experience. They were all pretty darn solid. But that was the expansion where we saw the "modern Blizzard" start to rear its head, with them abandoning systems (like garrisons) rather than iterating on them to make them better. They didn't improve the garrisons at all, they just gave us a half-assed garrisons 2.0 in the form of shipyards, then cut content every place they could in order to get Legion pushed out.
Sounds eerily similar to their plan for Shadowlands. _If_ 10.0 is going to be a Legion-sized expansion. But somehow, I doubt that.
@@Maria_Erias I'm not sure anybody knows what to expect of 10.0 at this point. I'll probably be having my fun in Endwalker like I'm doing right now and not buy it unless I see it's going places.
@@LeicaFleury Yeah. Considering that 6.1 is due to hit at around the same time as Shadowlands' 9.2, I doubt many people except the hardcore copium-huffing fanbois are going to be paying attention to WoW until 10.0 at least gets announced. And even then, considering just how good Endwalker is, it may not make that much of a difference, given the tempo of content that Yoshi-P and his team put out compared to the horrible pace of WoW content.
I always laugh and then cry when he just right just says "Yah your spec sucks, suck it up don't care" Why blizzard is dead to me...
i mean hes not wrong, they cant cater to tinker toy builds
@@AnvilMAn603 it is unprofessional and meanspirited to talk down to your customers like that.
EDIT: also not true. There is no "good" spec. Only what the players wants to choose to play with is the good spec. They are not the developers of a MMO...but of a mmo ROLE PLAYING GAME. blizard forgot this a long time ago.
@@AnvilMAn603 This white knight attitude is the exact reason WoW fell from grace. Meanwhile, in FFXIV, we can play whatever class/role we like, knowing full well it's balanced and some tryhard isn't going to have any reason for a meltdown.
@@AnvilMAn603 Don't add something to the game if you can't balance it or make it work! Sick of seeing white knights that clear have not played the game.
When you have to reroll your spec or class because blizzard trash on it and then go "Suck it up" its the reason why wow is dead to many now.
@@EspirituOtaku I mean let's face it, if Blizzard can't balance their game after countless changes, homogenisation of the classes and 16 years worth of content... I don't know what they're doing and neither do they.
here's how i'd sum up the difference :
FFXIV : they WANT to know what you think of their work, because they WANT it to be the best
WoW : They 'know' their work is the best, they just want you to acknowledge it
And the source of this difference is FFXIV knew what a total failure look like with 1.0 and did a miracle to get the game back, I mean, how many game were a total failure at their release, got repaired but are still tainted by the launch, they know how hard is it to bring back a game from the depth and they will not be able to do it a second time
While, in the same time WoW stayed on his throne, without any MMO who can stand a real chance against but the lack of competition leaded to not try to improve the Quality of Life in game or try new things
@@vayalond7203 WoW is the Rome of mmos. Nobody managed to kill it, it killed itself.
@@vayalond7203 Another game in recent years you can point to and it is still fresh in memory is No Mans Sky. That game went from the garbage bin straight to top 5 lists. Free major updates, QoL changes and so on and so on.
Ion sees a number. Yoshi sees a person. The classic two management types.
You can feel the love in FFXIV. Haven't played WOW, but I am sure players can feel the disdain.
Almost 10 years on wow before moving to FF, and it is true.
I used to play WoW. I can tell you right now, both the devs and the community are both pretty unwelcoming.
@@HamsterPants522 I can confirm this. If it's not outright toxic, it's passive-aggressive toxic.
I absolutely could feel the disdain when I quit.
Wasn’t always like that friend.. :(
Yoshi P snorting at Zeplas question just made my day
Yoshi-P is wholesome.
"We are so lucky that you want to play the game we've made" VS "You are so lucky we bother making this game for you"
This ^
Exactly THIS. Nothing more to say.
It is an attitude issue.
YoshiP is by far the best dev the mmo community has ever seen and some people don’t even know how to react.
We're kinda giving merit to Square Enix as a company by proxy, but let's not forget the reason XIV 1.0 was a massive piece of shit was precisely because they as a company weren't that much different from ActiBlizzard today. If it wasn't for Yoshida-san, we'd still have a terrible game with no autoattack, no jump and disabled forums so we couldn't complain about it, among other, more egregious things.
Many people find off putting how much XIV players idolize Yoshida-san, but he and his team are single handedly proving the company that if you take care of the game and make it good and fun to play it's going to be much better both for the players and for the company itself, rather than throw in the highest graphic nonsense and hope for the best.
Honestly it really is just Creative Business unit III.
I'm actually not seeing a whole lot of that, when people talk about the success of ffxiv, they specifically state yoshi-p or "the developers" and not square enix
@@Darksaviour some of the other divison are trying to show that ideal of Yoshida but he was moved from another division from dragon quest 10 back when they were split into 12 divisions
Ion: we could fix these inconviniences that have the risk of piling up, however, do you want us to kill memes?
nice priorities Ion, no wonder the game is in the state that's in right now
Thus the game became a shitty meme quite ironic
Ion is the epitome of being promoted way above his own competence. If Ion goes WoW might actually get better. You can tell Ion has absolutely zero creative thought process and just cares about numbers, hence the state of WoW right now.
@@CurtalA
Can’t remember the exact name, but there’s an overarching theory that in the corporate world, more incompetent people are promoted more quickly. This is because the people at the top (in this specific case Kotick and his board) can better control incompetent workers because people actually good at the job would threaten the status quo.
it's funny when you realize the biggest meme of their biggest competitor is a literal sales-pitch
@@J-manli It's called Peter Principle! It's basically "being good at your position, getting promoted at a new position that has totally different skills and then getting career stuck in that role because you're not good anymore, but had a history of being good so you're not getting kicked"
My goodness.. when WoW players complained about lack of communication and overall poor content, I was assuming they were exaggerating just a bit..
I wish we were...but I have found new life in Eorzea, Reaper is looking quite stylish
Cherry picking.
@@CybersteelEx I wish that was the case.
@@CybersteelEx To an extent but WoW devs are really just that bad at communicating so there are a lot of clips to choose from...
@@deroestheknight7853 I started reaper 2 days ago simply because my home city is Uldah. I didn't realize I would have so much fun with it. My machinist will remain my main though
Love your FFXIV vs WoW videos, I also love that I don't have to worry about profanity with my kids around in your videos. Thanks for the great content!
Be careful, there are a few out there that have some profanity in them. I mostly try to keep it out of the videos and podcasts though, but sometimes it slips in there because the clip is too good not to include. I am trying to keep as much of it out of the videos though for that very reason. Glad you’re enjoying the videos! Thanks for watching friend!
One game's lead developer is concerned with making a game the players enjoy and the other one is only concerned with making the game he wants personally and with his own ego. It shows greatly in the quality of the 2 games.
I'm sorry... Did I just hear a *Lead Game Designer* say "sorry, your class & playstyle are not viable, deal with it"?!
One's a gamer, happy to make a game for other gamers. The other's an egocentric asshole happy to make Pavlovian FOMO grindfests to artificially fluff MAUs for investors.
Ion was a lawyer before he became a game dev. That pretty much explains it all.
Yoshi p is like our fun uncle that makes us feel good about ourselves while blizzard is like a abusive dad that makes fun of you when you do something wrong lol
It's amazing how different they are. No wonder the games are currently getting different results. One loves to interact with people and even cares for them. While the other seems to want to slack off and do something else while still getting pay or give you the middle finger while shouting I'm right your wrong. over and over again, if not acting like robots who fail to understand how to human.
Just caught myself smiling with all the interactions YoshiP had with the streamers, and noticed my total mood turnaround anytime Ion opened his mouth :X
If my student ask me, what a sinusoidal graph. Its what i feel watching this
Hahahaha! That's a +1 intelligence joke right there!
Yoshi P cares about building a world and a community. Ion cares about building e-sports and elitism. Good video. Please don't stop rubbing their failure in Actiblizzard's face.
Ion is also there to defend their stupid ideas with his boolshit
Ion is a lawyer, he's only there to hide the fucked up shit ActiBlizz is doing. He isn't good at making WoW an e-sports either. He and his team have failed at every aspect of the game. Gearing sucks, story sucks, systems suck, deep dungeons suck, PvP sucks, RP sucks, current raid sucks, forced grind sucks. I can't find a single good thing about 9.1 or 9.1.5. Only players left are the ones who are buying boosts with real life money(WoW tokens) or the ones selling the boosts.
agreed, except minus the e-sports. blizzard clearly does not care about their e-sports, it too is a $$$$ cow to them. look how dead overwatch league is, the moment it started dropping (cuz of the lack of dev in the game)
theres no trace of 'blizzard' in its whole form anymore, my name for them is Actiblission. Not as catchy, but accurate
One feels like a friend, the other feels like a teacher who is mad that I asked a question... I'll let you decide which is which.
Cry some more
@@masterpain7742 bro they are so fragile lolllllll
@@g2n1337 Man you guys are mad lol.
@@omegaxtrigun Seems they're the ones crying, we're just over here vibing 💅
Also good choice in anime :)
@@masterpain7742 Hearing news about WoW while playing FF14 feels just like watching news about North Korea while making myself a steak.
When asmons mom died, there was a vigil held at Hauchenfaunts grave in ff14. Did wow do anything like that? Serious question. If they did, do they have a video of it?
I know that a group of WoW players (the same the called him a traitor for playing ffxiv, obiusly) mocked him... They are clearly full of hate and sh*t
Many players hate asmongold aswell as blizzard itself hates him.
There have been in game funerals for players in the past. There's a rather infamous one from many years ago that was held on the players home server which happened to be a PvP server and a guild decided to crash the party
There's been loads of community-led stuff like that for WoW over the years.
Also I remember they did this for Kentaro Miura, the creator of Berserk, a little bit before I started playing. That one was really touching cause you could see everyone changed to Dark Knight for it to give their respects to Guts.
YoshiP is the best director ever and I wish to defend this man till the end of days
Hi! Wow Dev here, we just like to force you to change what class you play every patch so that you have to waste more time in our abuse simulator. We value you as a payer, not player.
(Satire, not actually a wow dev.)
Calling ut satire is what a wow dev would say, Im on to you
Ion - "Now it's Demonology's turn to be the worst spec." What on earth? They really just don't care and aren't embarrassed about it. What a shame.
Because balance is hard. So they intentionally don't make things balanced and have certain things better than others for X amount of time, because that's "fun". And that is what is called balance to these people. I am not joking.
This one sparks joy: Yoshi P
This one does not spark joy: Ion
FFXIV: How is your mom doing?
Also XIV: OMG you were so funny doing that content! And when you were crying I was crying.
WoW: We removed stuff for no apparent reason. We explained that. Moving on.
Also WoW: Your speck sucks? Deal with it.
I wish wow player will have those love they deserved soon! in the mean time just hang out with us in XIV! and back when things getting better ;)
People like you are the reason I love the ff14 community.
The thumbnail depicts perfectly how satisfied Ion is with himself.
His talks shows how narcissist he is and how he is not taking the community seriously as he sees the playerbase as stupid kids living in the basement of their parents... He just doesn't care to listen
Is he? I see a bloated ego, not a strong one.
Honestly, how does someone not like YoshiP lol. The guy is a gem. He is so great with the community.
developers who actually play their game vs developers who see profit as there number 1 goal
To be fair, Ion is a raider aswell and some other guys at devteam aswell. But i mean Ions guild is called "Elitist Jerks" so what can you epxect from him
@@semiramisubw4864 So is Yoshi and lots of the ff14 team.
YoshiP speaking to Asmongold with all that empathy 💛
Imagine if every expac a Job was unusable in high level play. "Sorry, it's Machinist's turn to be the worst DPS job." Lmao, can't believe that's intended design in WoW
Hey, it is refreshing that Yoshi and the devs address every issue and communicates with the players. Refreshing that they are not afraid to apologize and explain the problems so we can know what is going on. Refreshing that they respect the players. That the game has a story that is worth to fight your way through. That the early and mid-gameplay is as fun as the endgame content and thats all without the soulless grind.
WoW Devs are on a high horse, full of themselves for no reason anymore. The game became a grindfest. The story... let's... let's not even talk about WoW story anymore. They are systematically retconning the lore into a nonsensical mess just to fit the new bullsh*t in. And when the players rise their voices to show how unhappy we are with the direction this is going to.... we are just treated with more bullsh*t.
Sometimes it feels like WoW is getting torn to shreds on purpose. It is painful. Even when the entire community is yelling at them to change things because it will be a disaster on the long run, they just ignore it and run headfirst into the stonewall what everyone tried to warn them about.
The stock price at the end is *chef kiss*
the clip of Ion starting at 4:10 is actually very insightful.
I have struggled to understand the decision making around the WoW game design for many years but I now that I know that it is supposed to be a joke it makes absolute sense.
I never knew I need a pouting Yoshi-P as an emote
The end with the graphic, the music and the lalafell dancing had me roflmao
That market summary is an insane trend. If this keeps up, I can't imagine Activision being willing to keep Blizzard. They are likely to be left out in the cold...
This isn't just because of Blizzard at this point. This is Bobby Kotick's BS and the missing breast milk piling on and forcing it lower. At this point, Square-Enix should buy ABK out from under Bobby and force everyone who was part of the problems out and replacing them.
@@MrRavenBlackwing Do that and we might get consistent lore again.
@@MrRavenBlackwing Or just do what Nordic did.
So what Nordic did to THQ IPs. Wait until the company goes under and the IPs go on sale separately from the company. That way, they can get some IPs on the cheap without paying absurd prices for a bundle that has Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo, and Overwatch. Like lLost Vikings.
Then sit on those IPs for a coupoe of years. Nostalgia baiting is a great marketing tool.
@@janematthews9087 the difference between THQ and Activision, though, is that Activision is too big to go under, or at least it would take many, many years (of just bad PR and poor sales) for Activision to go under.
Don't forget, Activision owns one of the largest gaming IPs in the industry - Call of Duty. They also own KING, which makes Candy Crush games - scoff at it as much as you want, but it earns them a ton of money.
Even with language barrier, Yoshi feels much closer...
While not mentioned in a dev video, I'm reminded of WoW's removed emotes during Zepla's emote question here
For me logging in to wow feels like going back to the school i went to years ago, i don't see my friends, the teachers are different, the classes look different and even though you know it's the same place... It just doesn't feel good to be there, it's like a foreign place to be in. That's how i feel logging in to wow.
FF14 devs spend a lot of time learning and speaking in a differnt language to communicate with international fans.
I don't see anyone from blizzard learning Chinese.
Why would they? They dont even talk to the people who speak the same language as them.
Preach's "wtf face" at 0:38 is hilarious lol.
All the Devs and Yoshi P are the reason why I have played Final Fantasy since part 1! The love an affection that is put into their passion for their stories are unbelieveable. They truly love the industry and their fan base equally. Thank you Squaresoft/Enix for the many years of entertainment. You truly are family.
That translator Yoshi-P has is the true hero here, holy crap, that is a next level translator
Aimi is amazing - you can tell she *also* is a big fan of that game, she doesn't just parrot and interpret Yoshi-P's answers but has a life of her own. Normally you want the translator to be as invisible as possible, but Aimi is considered just as important to the live letters as Yoshi-P as his other presenters, such as Toshio Murouchi! She has put in a lot of work to give as faithful translation between English and Japanese as possible.
One game literally cannot hold all the players that want to play the game 24/7 since expac launch and the other can't get a patch worth of content out the door
It's so nice seeing the genuine interest that Yoshi P shows towards the streamers that interview him. 😊
I would love to see a comparison video of FF14 and GW2. I've never played WoW because I've heard it's toxic, but these other two have amazing communities. The developers of GW2 are also super passionate about the game. It really shows how the people the make the game, determine the atmosphere of the game and its community.
Hindsight is such a bitch, can’t believe I used to just ACCEPT the way WoW devs spoke down to us.
Currently going through Stormblood and still forever grateful I made the switch
the wow devs are rude and condesending!
When you look at it from the other side.. it's really eye-opening.
@@Professor_Popo I disagree
@@masterpain7742 Aren't you the same guy who said "who cares about some bich" when Blizzard drove a woman to suicide? 🤡
@@DawnAfternoon He goes on to various FF14 videos and talk crap.
@@DawnAfternoon he doesn't seem to have anything better to do than making more enemies of his own. just let em be
What blows my mind is that WoW devs are stuck in 1998 thinking that the average joe video game player is completely incapable of understanding the finer concepts of game design, like no bro it's been 20 years you no longer need a degree to point out the game is trash, and we've become wise to abusive design tactics. I'm so sick of the WoW dev team egotistically destroying their expansions because they think they know better than the playerbase.
LOL.. most of the FFXIV questions are not about the game system ... clearly means players aren't having problems with the game..
mean while in WoW, people asking about questionable systems in the game and devs just laugh it off and saying your wrong.
my two biggest complains with ff14 have NOTHING to do with its core systems, and are fairly nitpicky, one has to do with the lack of graphical and model updates (super pixely outfits kinda take me out of otherwise amazing scenes) and the fact viera and Hrothgar still dont feel like finished races with lack of hairstyles and customization options. (hrothgar cant change hair without a fantasia)
If I myself were to take any of the MSQ characters to a fancy dinner, it'd be both Urianger and Yshtola.
Team FFXIV laid back & having fun. Team WoW condescending attitude. I’m so glad I’ve never, ever played WoW. I don’t care how good was or is. Being treated like shit by the game devs should have happen.
It wasn't like this back in the days when WoW was good, As an FF and WoW player(since the days of FFXI, and WoW vanilla launch) WoW used to have a dev team like XIV, full of love for the lore the game and their playerbase. It slowly stagnated to what it is now, mainly under Ion's watch.
The whole "It's just demo's turn to be the worst spec" line sums up how bad they are at balance management and how much they don't give a crap about it. FFXIV is so superior for this reason...and so many other reasons.
i wish a demo warlock clone was in 14, i miss that class so much
@@aagh8714 You and all my friends feel the same way! It stinks. Its so fun to play.
Chad yoshida vs virgin ion
This show huge different between a dev who cares your playerbase, play the game itself. And dev who force try force his point of view.
That's why i dont play wow anymore
Ion saying "ebb and flow of specs" is not even a joke, wow players have a fucking spreadsheet how some specs have been constantly real good for several years while others are just soo trash that you should not bother with them.
Like, I have to admire the guy. I could never get soo much out of touch with reality, dude must be injecting psyhodelic musrooms each hour.
I find it amazing that Ion is still in charge of WoW.
I honestly can't understand why Hazzikostas wasn't fired from Blizzard yet... the game that he is "leading" is in the worst state ever, he lacks communication skills, he doesn't care about the game community... in another words, I think he SUCK at his work, so it's difficult to understand why he doesn't get fired.
Simply put, Ion’s ego (and possible insecurity) makes him very easy to be controlled by the higher ups at Acti-Blizz. A lot of executive level workers intentionally put incompetent people into the higher managerial positions just so that the poor fools can’t disrupt the status quo that the executives directly profit from.
so Ion just straight up disregarding the negative feedback so that the community can meme the shit out of it to death? even if the memes are essentially the negative feedback? that's a new low of lack of self-awareness.
also i want to know what background music you use for the WoW dev log section. i heard it in almost of your comparison videos.
Neath Dark Waters - Masayoshi Soken. I would look it up on Spotify or Apple Music to avoid spoilers if you’re not through the end of Shadowbringers 5.0. Thanks for watching friend!
@@Professor_Popo no i mean the one used on the WoW section. the one with the clown music...
Honestly, I wish you showed the questions asked and played more of the videos from Ion. Seems a little miss leading because I remember some of the clips you played. I love Yoshi P. Even if your upset with WOW, you still need to give them credit where it’s due.
The sad thins is the Blizzard did have their own Yoshida…
Chris Metzen was EXTREMELY passionate about his series. I noticed that blizzard became shit during the years he and other OG developers left…
Ion is the embodiment of "I don't give a fuck" 😂
This stuff is invaluable for when shit does go wrong for FFXIV, as inevitably it will for any game in development. There's no way the final Ultimate content being pushed back and delayed by over a year, effectively cancelling the second big tippy-top end tier fight for the previous expac should've been as accepted with the minimal blowback it did without that sort of respect and trust they've earned.
Especially the section of the community that looks forward the most to that type of content because they can be some of the most... let's say "vocal" about their grievances.
or other smaller stuff like the state of Viera or Hrothgar as playable races, like the state hrothgar are in is not accceptable. however even as i complain about it i understand that the only reason it has been fixed is because it might be genuinely difficult to fix, and not just because the devs are lazy or dont care
People calling y'shtola mommy is just next level chad
I want somewhat to force you to change your spec by nerfing it to the ground
Reminds me of my ele shaman during cata
those bitter days
And Demonology Warlock during WoD.
Doesn't Ion look like a movie's supervillain? Not that it's far from reality anyway..
Its a funny feeling. These videos makes me shake my head while smiling wide.
Wow died when Metzen left imo. Yoshi P just gives his all to this game and it shows in ffxiv
How does a Japanese game developer who don't even speak English communicates better (even with a translator) with CCs, while devs who does speak English have trouble making clear sense?
I think a big reason why FFXIV community is so great and welcoming is because the game production team IS welcoming and joyful, so even the usually "toxic players" in other games have their moment of kindness and are respectful on FFXIV.
I came to the comment section expecting WoW players to be hating on ff14 but found some of the most sweet 14 players giving all the love to yoshi p and his team. Best comment section that included WoW I have ever seen!
When dev makes their game for human in mind, the humans will treat, the dev like human beings, its called humanity.
This is so heartwarming, I love final fantasy.
Ffxiv developers talking to players is always so wholesome I find myself smiling all the time
Even IF a PR team told Yoshi-P to comment on Asmon's mother, or even IF a PR team told Yoshi-P to do research on the creators to seem more empathetic, it still shows that they care to address those things. To watch and learn, to give their condolences or appreciation. No PR team is forcing them to cry on stream about delaying the game. As we all know as well, the "correct" way of responding to errors and faults is to apologize and give a vague estimation of how things will be fixed. The FFXIV team instead gives detail into their process and massive free game time gifts to compensate for lost time. Ruthless execs and PR people wouldn't dare give such promises and lost money to anyone. But the FFXIV team does, because they know what it's like to be a player. I mean they literally play their game which you would think is a low bar to pass but you'd be surprised that it's not.
Love ya Yoshi-P and the team behind FFXIV.
You know as someone who has played wow for 15 years but hasn't played retail since the first month of shadowlands and has played up to part of shadowbringers but has taken an extended break but does own endwalker, this video has reaffirmed my hatred for ion hazzikostas and my love for yoshi-p.
Yoshi-P:
Your question is interesting, give me a few to think on that.
Activision:
Your question is dumb and a waste of our time. Next!
this is even hitting the difference harder when after weeks asmongold mother pass away, sadly ... fuck world of warcraft team.
Basically... WoW represents the core American Values.... And FFXIV represents humanity's kindness and care.
Meh. Keep projecting.
It certainly reflects West Coast American culture. Which is a far cry from American values. That's a big part of the problem.
Talk about patriotic cope in those responses above
I don't know what they're teaching you kids in school these days but corporate America does not represent "American Values". You make it sound like overseas companies can do no wrong, but look at how Konami treats their employees... Again, corporations don't represent the values we share as a people, they're only in it for the money. As an American and a big fan of FFXIV, I have a lot of respect for Yoshi-P and the devs. You don't see that kindness and care much in the video games industry these days...
@@aethon0563 Keep inhaling that copium. It might not last for long.
Yoshi P took a broken POS game and turned it into something really special. Ion took a really special game and turned it into a broken POS.
6:17 oh, I remember that day 😂
He acknowledged people saying Mommy about yshtola, and joked along. He's here for the fans
It's strange though there are so many FFXIV creators who have been in this for such a long time who've been part of the community but instead they focus on the WoW creators moved FFXIV
Well asmongold overall diddnt played that long when he got invited to the interview but he is the biggest MMO streamer on the platform and also gave the game a honest try even tho many never saw that coming.
If you actually see the world tour, most of them who's invited are actually FFXIV long time creator. I think the reason they choose asmon and rich because they're new to the game and being a big streamer, it's a new perspective on interview in fact for new player experience on it.
@@semiramisubw4864 Honestly i never really even heard of Asmo Until he jumped into FFXIV and even now i try to figure out why people enjoy him so much XD.
@@bball6584 well you dont know him dont chance the fact that He is the biggest name on mmo and He brings a lot of ppl for 14 as well
@@arthurnikiforck7954 again ok? doesn't change that i dont get why people idolize him so much. I mean if it was Oxhorn i could see it becasue he did things that were entertaining before he just went into lets plays.
Yoshi P is amazing