The fact that this project is never ending, speaks volumes when it comes to content creation. Not to mention, for us old timers (50+ crowd) whom grew up watching DTM races.
i'm not a euro guy by any means, my only euro car was an R53 mini and that thing almost bankrupt me a couple times but for some reason the DTM era cars really speak to me. i appreciate all the updates on this car even if they are infrequent
There are a lot of great TH-cam builds and projects. But not only do you really have interesting projects but the presentation really blows everything out the water. Great stuff
That sentiment means a lot to the team - we are always striving to get better and bring everyone some entertaining but educational content. Lot more to come!!
I like that you mention some of the mistakes you made along the way! Not everyone know what every bolt, nipple and hole on an engine does the first time they see it :D
Kalau ada stabilizer depan lagi baik dan handling yg bagus untuk body roll. Tiada stabilizer bar depan, patutlah masa di litar kereta ni terangkat2 casis depan masa ambil selekoh. Upgrade boss❤
Unless you're running the driveshaft u-joint at parallel (zero angle, which isn't recommended anyways) then that's one of the contributors to your driveline vibrations, if not the root cause. CV joints turn at a Constant Velocity, while the universal joint does not. A flex disc would dampen some of the vibrations, but skipping through the earlier episodes I don't see a flex disc on the car either.
I'd look into a whiteline rear sway bar since the stock 209 one fits, will be an even better upgrade. It's really come along, bunch of very clean upgrades overall, love the heat shield and intake additions. Still mad you didn't shout me out for the Coolerworx shifter though! hahah 😂👍
Superb work! Really have enjoyed this series. I built a 540bhp W124 and getting the NVH to an acceptable level was one of the biggest hurdles 👍 interestingly it’s the splines in the outer driveshaft to hub interface that would go - they would snap like carrots. Interested that yours are coping well… (although I’m running 550ft/lbs 😬)
You need to take this car to the Nürburgring Nordschleife and let Misha Charoudin have a go in it..!! For the exhaust I would have a classic DTM tip on it..
You're onto something there, we've discussed something similar. I wonder if our friends at Schaeffler and their connection to modern DTM could help us do that...🤔
Thanks for the video. How did you get the lower ball joint to fit into the knuckle? They don’t fit in stock form (I know because I have both those exact parts). Did you have to machine the knuckle mounting point? I’ve been following this series very closely. I am currently recreating all your suspension changes on my 190.
more droop should mean more tire contact when the body rolls. Was it creating oversteer due to the rear not having as much droop creating unbalanced grip?
What a beautiful and insightful presentation! Just all around excellent. The car is to die for, goes without saying, but kudos on the great video, eager to see more projects from you guys
Glad you enjoyed it Pictoru2 , we are just glad everyone seems to like the project as much as we did haha. Lot more builds and content to come, so stay tuned!
Amazing car this. And kudos to you guys with it 👏 With the suspension, why didn't you use w201 BC Racing coilovers? They're made for the car and you wouldn't have to modify other bits for them to fit 👍🏼
What a project - one of the most interesting TH-cam builds I’ve seen, and I love the fact that(even as a BMW fan rather than Mercedes) it’s mostly still all newer parts from the same brand, rather than the usual LS/JZ swap, aftermarket off-the-shelf suspension etc. Would rather have this over any ‘new’ car build any day of the week. Great work!
Great car - but unfortunately the wrong engine. 😮 DTM was all about revs - I will never forget the sound of these high revving machines! The turbo just does not fit to the theme (still a very decent engine). Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Would you mind sharing the wheel specifications? We are building a very similar car with the same set up and we would like to know the dimensions of your wheels and also what size tires? Wheel Diameter, witdth and offset would be helpful. Also the stud size and bolt pattern.
sup fcp euro, i want to know where i can find a replacement volvo engine. i have a volvo 850 in the garage and im trying to find a good engine to swap into it so i can daily drive it😎if anyone has any info please let me know, thanks.
My 190D is now a 5 year winner in NASA/SE time trial!! It has steel flares and run 9.5X17" front and 10X17 " rear Hoosiers. the engine is a Ford 302 with a .070+bore and a .400"stroker=354". rear diff is Ford IRSwith homemade axles and Spicer joints. Weighs 3020lbs. and runs with Porsche GT3 911s at VIR!!! My Daily drvr is a C63/p31 and 517hp. license is SLVR AROW !!!
I have an 89W2012.6 as a daily driver. I keep it very clean and maintained. I would love it if you guys put together an EVO1 and or EVO2 fender/body package with 30 mm bolt on wideners. And a rack and pinion bolt on conversion… great project cars!
Well, tastes differ, but in my opinion you have made an American replica. The way to do something similar to a DTM is to take block 2.3 16, rectify it to 2,463 and follow the steps that everyone follows to end up getting 300 hp at 8,000-8,500 rpm with high reliability. It's not much but in a 1,000 kg car it's enough. I have an original EVO2 and yes, it is not fast but it is a car born to be prepared to run according to the group A regulations. You can get close to 400 hp if you don't mind rebuilding it every weekend like they did in the DTM. Although now it is a car for idiots who pay more than 300,000 for them when a few years ago they could be bought for 10%. These are fashions added to human stupidity. In my opinion, you would have achieved the same or more and with less money mounting a K24 with a K20 head and a manual gearbox of 6 from BMW. Maybe even less weight in the front. But if you wanted it to be Mercedes, I can understand it
Now, to really wring out all potential, build an Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 with a NA 24 valve 3.0 V6 "Busso" to keep your 190E on its toes. Supposedly, a prototype did exist, but mating the Q4 system to the V6 was a production headache.
The 190 EVO was plastered on my walls growing up, I’m 41 now and I just recently found an old AMG Hammer wagon poster and I’m pretty sure it’s worth some $$
Thanks on the intake! I had a blast designing it. As someone who's recently put two dozen laps through the car at Lime Rock Park, I can assure you that the W204 brakes drop the anchor without breaking a sweat. I think if this had similar ducting to what I have on my own personal cars, it would actually over-cool the brakes for our track-pads.
Absolutely love this, specially all of-the-off the shelf pieces that fit. Definitely inspirational for my build that I'm going to start. Not too this extreme but definitely taking some stuff from you guys. Using an m111k and deciding on either the 716 or bmw zf5 speed. But definitely going back and taking notes on which parts were basically bolt on and taking part numbers to do it as well.
I'm using a bmw zf5 gearbox in my m104 turbo 190E (originally 2.5-16v). The gearbox handles with no problem ~550hp/660nm. Unfortunately the car has been sitting in the garage for 4 years but watching this video I think it's time I get it back on the road :) .
@rubenhaftvani800 is correct! It's a W208 AMG rear bar, as it fits the W201 rear subframe with only the slight bend of a sway bar bracket while also serving as a solid upgrade over stock. The part number for the 208 bar is 2023261165. Another age-old forum we used trick that pairs well with this retrofit is to replace the stock end links with the aluminum ones off of a W124 4Matic while you're in there! You'll have to cut the bushing down a bit to fit, but they pair nicely with the rear bar. You can find those by searching DEL-TC2119 on our site!
The fact that this project is never ending, speaks volumes when it comes to content creation. Not to mention, for us old timers (50+ crowd) whom grew up watching DTM races.
We just want people to know its not just for TH-cam we are out here trying to finish these cars properly!
i'm not a euro guy by any means, my only euro car was an R53 mini and that thing almost bankrupt me a couple times but for some reason the DTM era cars really speak to me. i appreciate all the updates on this car even if they are infrequent
There are a lot of great TH-cam builds and projects. But not only do you really have interesting projects but the presentation really blows everything out the water. Great stuff
That sentiment means a lot to the team - we are always striving to get better and bring everyone some entertaining but educational content. Lot more to come!!
I like that you mention some of the mistakes you made along the way! Not everyone know what every bolt, nipple and hole on an engine does the first time they see it :D
Just came across your channel and this project and I find it just so awesome. Kudos from Europe.
Thanks for watching, and glad you found us!
Oh thank god you posted teh ball joint :D I have had some W204 knuckles waiting to go on my 190D project
No never! Only 95%..Always something else to complete.
Kalau ada stabilizer depan lagi baik dan handling yg bagus untuk body roll.
Tiada stabilizer bar depan, patutlah masa di litar kereta ni terangkat2 casis depan masa ambil selekoh.
Upgrade boss❤
Unless you're running the driveshaft u-joint at parallel (zero angle, which isn't recommended anyways) then that's one of the contributors to your driveline vibrations, if not the root cause. CV joints turn at a Constant Velocity, while the universal joint does not. A flex disc would dampen some of the vibrations, but skipping through the earlier episodes I don't see a flex disc on the car either.
Love it. Nice refinements. 🤘🏼
Refine refine refine - you know the game Rob!
I'd look into a whiteline rear sway bar since the stock 209 one fits, will be an even better upgrade. It's really come along, bunch of very clean upgrades overall, love the heat shield and intake additions. Still mad you didn't shout me out for the Coolerworx shifter though! hahah 😂👍
This is very cool. Love it.
wow awesome I have a 2.6 sportline, and I would love to do some of this stuff to mine
Superb work! Really have enjoyed this series.
I built a 540bhp W124 and getting the NVH to an acceptable level was one of the biggest hurdles 👍 interestingly it’s the splines in the outer driveshaft to hub interface that would go - they would snap like carrots. Interested that yours are coping well… (although I’m running 550ft/lbs 😬)
What power unit are you using?
@@bernardwarr4187 OM606 - there is an overview on my channel that’s quite fun 👍
You need to take this car to the Nürburgring Nordschleife and let Misha Charoudin have a go in it..!!
For the exhaust I would have a classic DTM tip on it..
You're onto something there, we've discussed something similar. I wonder if our friends at Schaeffler and their connection to modern DTM could help us do that...🤔
Thanks for the video. How did you get the lower ball joint to fit into the knuckle? They don’t fit in stock form (I know because I have both those exact parts). Did you have to machine the knuckle mounting point?
I’ve been following this series very closely. I am currently recreating all your suspension changes on my 190.
Circling back to this. Would love to hear more details on how you joined the W204 knuckle to the new ball joint.
Damn. This is what's holding me up here, too. Im assuming they must have drilled the knuckle. I want to replicate this setup on my w201 as well.
Awesome car fellas 👌🏼
Thanks Adam!
Always wanted a street build of this car. Thanks for doing this build its awesome
more droop should mean more tire contact when the body rolls. Was it creating oversteer due to the rear not having as much droop creating unbalanced grip?
What a beautiful and insightful presentation! Just all around excellent. The car is to die for, goes without saying, but kudos on the great video, eager to see more projects from you guys
Glad you enjoyed it Pictoru2 , we are just glad everyone seems to like the project as much as we did haha. Lot more builds and content to come, so stay tuned!
If you haven't seen it in person you should. It's such a joy to watch. Thanks so much for bringing it out to gridlife events buddies
We appreciate you guys giving us a fun sandbox to come play with this thing in. Excited to share it with more people at Circuit Legends!
for me, the best project car from YT ever until now.
SENSACIONAL, i'm Portuguese speaker, i need express it in my language hahaha
💙
Should make a parts kit for sale
Amazing car this. And kudos to you guys with it 👏 With the suspension, why didn't you use w201 BC Racing coilovers? They're made for the car and you wouldn't have to modify other bits for them to fit 👍🏼
Bc racing aren't even in the same ballpark of quality and performance as Bilstein coilovers
Great up date and great development of your project.
Glad you enjoyed the update Bernard!
What a project - one of the most interesting TH-cam builds I’ve seen, and I love the fact that(even as a BMW fan rather than Mercedes) it’s mostly still all newer parts from the same brand, rather than the usual LS/JZ swap, aftermarket off-the-shelf suspension etc. Would rather have this over any ‘new’ car build any day of the week. Great work!
The fact that Andy Samberg is so technically astute and a great driver to boot blows my mind. He’s come so far since the Lonely Island days 🙏🏻
this is a great build, love it, any details on the front sway bar? haven’t seen it on the car in the front, only the rear, whats the deal there?
Thank you for following along! Currently no bar on the front as Nate has not made it part of his current setup with the car!
@@fcpeuro gotcha, thank you, keep us posted if you gonna put one in the front to
Cool build. Subscribed
Proportionate to the depth of pockets and pocketbook.
No Never! It's always 95% complete. There is always something else to fix.
We agree 😅
I love the 190E. It was my first car when I went away to college! I regret selling it. Great job guys!
Pretty rad first car though!
Hi guys do you have the link for the company you got the Evo 2 body kit in the Netherlands please 🇬🇧🏁🇬🇧
Great car - but unfortunately the wrong engine. 😮 DTM was all about revs - I will never forget the sound of these high revving machines! The turbo just does not fit to the theme (still a very decent engine).
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Would you mind sharing the wheel specifications? We are building a very similar car with the same set up and we would like to know the dimensions of your wheels and also what size tires? Wheel Diameter, witdth and offset would be helpful. Also the stud size and bolt pattern.
Can you guys revisit the 850 tribute to make it a more serious track weapon!!???
sup fcp euro, i want to know where i can find a replacement volvo engine. i have a volvo 850 in the garage and im trying to find a good engine to swap into it so i can daily drive it😎if anyone has any info please let me know, thanks.
The answer to your question is no, ive had my van 5yrs & its still not finished ✌
Still missing the bottom element of the rear spoiler, though... 😢
we have it in the shop somewhere 🤔
Should’ve just turbo’d the m103 boys
I guess the new e63 has a longitudinally mounted i4🤔
I would've done a c63 engine for the sound and power lol
My 190D is now a 5 year winner in NASA/SE time trial!! It has steel flares and run 9.5X17" front and 10X17 " rear Hoosiers. the engine is a Ford 302 with a .070+bore and a .400"stroker=354". rear diff is Ford IRSwith homemade axles and Spicer joints. Weighs 3020lbs. and runs with Porsche GT3 911s at VIR!!! My Daily drvr is a C63/p31 and 517hp. license is SLVR AROW !!!
Nice work!!!
So cool!!
I have an 89W2012.6 as a daily driver. I keep it very clean and maintained. I would love it if you guys put together an EVO1 and or EVO2 fender/body package with 30 mm bolt on wideners. And a rack and pinion bolt on conversion… great project cars!
Well, tastes differ, but in my opinion you have made an American replica. The way to do something similar to a DTM is to take block 2.3 16, rectify it to 2,463 and follow the steps that everyone follows to end up getting 300 hp at 8,000-8,500 rpm with high reliability. It's not much but in a 1,000 kg car it's enough.
I have an original EVO2 and yes, it is not fast but it is a car born to be prepared to run according to the group A regulations. You can get close to 400 hp if you don't mind rebuilding it every weekend like they did in the DTM.
Although now it is a car for idiots who pay more than 300,000 for them when a few years ago they could be bought for 10%.
These are fashions added to human stupidity.
In my opinion, you would have achieved the same or more and with less money mounting a K24 with a K20 head and a manual gearbox of 6 from BMW. Maybe even less weight in the front. But if you wanted it to be Mercedes, I can understand it
Now, to really wring out all potential, build an Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 with a NA 24 valve 3.0 V6 "Busso" to keep your 190E on its toes. Supposedly, a prototype did exist, but mating the Q4 system to the V6 was a production headache.
How much spent so far? that's important on any project, man hours included ;)
affraid to add it up hahaa
Another good one guys. Love to see this car and how it's progressing.
they even use wood on the 2023 f1cars. so yes wood are parts of racing cars
💯
No front sway bar?
Where is the front sway bar?
I've never heard of hard-mounting a transmission. Isn't that a bad idea? I know racecars are supposed to be hardcore, but that seems punishing.
It was a little punishing.
@@fcpeuro Hahaha Glad you changed it up. I really like your engine choice - whole build, honestly. Touring cars kickass
Should make a road going version for this 190e. Next project also make a clk gtr out of cl55 amg lol
hmmmm not a bad idea
@@fcpeuro yeah mann nicee
What is the song at 16:25 please ?
The 190 EVO was plastered on my walls growing up, I’m 41 now and I just recently found an old AMG Hammer wagon poster and I’m pretty sure it’s worth some $$
Send it our way so we can frame it and put it in the shop 🙂
🙌 Love it!! awesome work guys.
Good job on the intake but there's no ducting to the brakes now. A revised pipe with an attachment for brake cooling hose would be nice.
Thanks on the intake! I had a blast designing it. As someone who's recently put two dozen laps through the car at Lime Rock Park, I can assure you that the W204 brakes drop the anchor without breaking a sweat. I think if this had similar ducting to what I have on my own personal cars, it would actually over-cool the brakes for our track-pads.
This is amazing 🤩
This is so insane
very cool
Alex is absolutely brilliant.
Awesome!
Really nice car
Well done boys
When is cayman video dropping?
its brewin up in the background :-) we may drop Ep 1 soon if we decide to not release the entire series together in Q4
Absolutely love this, specially all of-the-off the shelf pieces that fit. Definitely inspirational for my build that I'm going to start. Not too this extreme but definitely taking some stuff from you guys. Using an m111k and deciding on either the 716 or bmw zf5 speed.
But definitely going back and taking notes on which parts were basically bolt on and taking part numbers to do it as well.
I'm using a bmw zf5 gearbox in my m104 turbo 190E (originally 2.5-16v). The gearbox handles with no problem ~550hp/660nm. Unfortunately the car has been sitting in the garage for 4 years but watching this video I think it's time I get it back on the road :) .
@@joretoGT1 did you need an adapter plate? Where did you get it from if so? What car did it come out of?
@@Frankie_Freedom I did it the dumb way since I had a broken getrag from the 16v. I cut the bellhousing and welded it on to the zf.
@@joretoGT1 how would you have done it?
@@Frankie_Freedom In my opinion its best with an adapter plate, maybe custom made as I don't know of a company that make one.
Why the crappy music all the time. Even when people speaking. I just don’t get it?
Nice car. Enginesound: CRAP!
what year was the clk 55 98-04 model? any chance of a part number for my own 190 🤪
Most likely the W208, they made some changes to the W209 rear suspension which might make it incompatible.
@rubenhaftvani800 is correct! It's a W208 AMG rear bar, as it fits the W201 rear subframe with only the slight bend of a sway bar bracket while also serving as a solid upgrade over stock. The part number for the 208 bar is 2023261165.
Another age-old forum we used trick that pairs well with this retrofit is to replace the stock end links with the aluminum ones off of a W124 4Matic while you're in there! You'll have to cut the bushing down a bit to fit, but they pair nicely with the rear bar. You can find those by searching DEL-TC2119 on our site!