Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism?
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- Excerpted from Lesson 11: The Revelation of Jesus Christ to the Apostle & Evangelist John the Theologian, Rev. 12:4-6 (Series 3, Section 2), by Fr. Peter Heers
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The lack of concern of sin in Protestant and non-denominational churches led me led to Orthodoxy because I knew my sin grew stronger with denying how much they affected me. I spoke whimsical ideas and was in terrible sin. The church is equipped to destroy it, no youth pastor I have met could console me properly. It's a grave matter, and should be treated as such. Lord have mercy.
You have only gone from one apostate church and fake christianity right into another ever worse one. Repent!
The one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church - the Orthodox Church ☦
Nationalism and Christianity are not compatible.
Notice it's not the One Holy Orthodox & Apostolic Church...
@@Thomas_RolandCatholic and Orthodox are interchangeable as even a Catholic Theologian will tell you. They're synonymous. I say this as a former Melkite.
@@Tsalagi978 So could I call myself a "Roman Orthodox Christian"?
@@Thomas_Roland The word catholic literally means universal, and the word orthodox means true belief. The Church Fathers use these terms rather interchangeably. Roman Catholics do in their theology refer to their church as orthodox, and Eastern Orthodox refer to their church as catholic. Having a term used as a name to differentiate your church from another church is not proof of the truth or falsity of either.
Father,all Orthodox Priests please pray for me and celebrate this Orthodox Christian in liturgy if possible.
GOD GIVE IT!
Great! God bless you fr Peter.
Δέσποτα Θεέ, Πάτερ Παντοκράτορ, Κύριε Υιέ μονογενες, Ιησού Χριστέ,και Άγιον Πνεύμα, μία Θεοτης, μία Δύναμις,ελέησον με τον αμαρτωλόν,και οις επιστασαι κριμασι,σώσον με τον αναξιον δουλον σου,ότι ευλογητός ει,εις τους αιώνας των αιώνων.Αμην.
Greetings from Greece brothers and sisters!
well said brother Γιαννη
What really surprises me, father that in the RK catechism stands that they are the only true faith and that they must pray for the converting of the orthodox. It was mind blowing when I did read that. I hope to become a Orthodox Christian, with God's help. 🙏. Last year I was really struggling, I'm a not practicing reformed protestant. Unfortunately there is here no orthodox church so I went to a RK church. After a few months I new what I was doing was not right and prayed a lot for help. I found OE and that really opened my eyes. Thank you for that. I also ordered some books and listen every day to the online courses. I fast and pray and with God's grace I hope to move in may next year to Russia. I want to be in a orthodox community. God bless you 🙏
My understanding is Roman Catholic believe the Eastern Orthodox are valid with no need to convert to Christianity and the baptism, marriage is fully recognized in the Roman Catholic church. But they recognize they are not in unity. They also recognize baptism of most protestant as valid.
But as to non Christians, Roman Catholics do Believe the non Christians must convert and be baptized just as the Orthodox believe.
Don't go to Roman Catholic church, don't go to oriental Orthodox church and dont go back to protestants. If possible whenever you can visit an Eastern Orthodox Church do so until then study about Orthodoxy like you're doing now.
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@@christianspraying1688 The RCC acknowledges the sacraments in the Orthodox Church because their apostolic succession is unbroken, however, we consider them schismatic because they do not recognize the pope.
Roman Catholic here. Pretty much all the Orthodox church would have to do to rejoin communion is recognize the Pope. That's literally it. Y'all have valid sacraments and liturgy already from where we're standing.
Orthodoxy.
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Father thank you for you great and encouraging videos. I love listening to something good when i am driving instead of the negative things usually on the Internet
Great as always. I am considering becoming orthodox, but I won't do so now because I have to read your saints' writings first. Anyway, pray for my conversion I guess. Great video as always✝️
YES. Follow the Lord and His Saints and be a light to those around you. Following the Lord includes immersing yourself in the love and lives of the Saints -- the communion of the Saints. Read and venerate and ask the Lord, His Most Pure Mother, the Theotokos, and the Saints for help. Beg them to open the path for you to fully immerse yourself in the Grace of God in the One Body of Christ.
But don't delay. Death is at the door. And, moreover, it is later than we think.
May God guide and bless you towards the Truth.
@@OrthodoxEthos thanks
@OrthodoxEthos thank you, Father! I seem to come up against immense barriers when I reach out to start the conversion process. I appreciate your wisdom.
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This is an incredible short video. Thank you for this, Father🙏☦️
Thank God for Fr. Peter.
I’ve been orthodox for about 10 years. [Coming from a Latin background. ] 7:52 And still, after all this time, it’s still good for me to hear, read and study our faith. These videos help tremendously. The spiritual warfare never stops. Trust me. The devil will do anything to keep you from the truth, and even after you find it, you must fall in love with Christ’s church, otherwise you will go back from where you came, or even get even worse than you were before. So please, pray, study and dedicate your life to Orthodoxy. It’s the only way, but it is a martyrdom. I’m not writing this to scare anyone, but just to prepare you.
The cult of orthodoxy has nothing to do with the Bibles Christianity. It is a false manmade abomination. Repent!
Amen ..
@@forthosewitheyestosee8183Christianity came before the Bible. The Bible isn't the foundation. Christ and his Church is.
1 Timothy 3:15 - [if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.]
The Bible is part of the Church, not the other way round.
@@olubunmiolumuyiwa ,...Sorry, but you are 100% incorrect. You have everything completely backwards. The Bible is the foundation of all truth and of the church. Without the Bible (Jesus) there is no church. The church is the product of the Bible. The Bible is not a product of the church.
In the beginning was the word (the Bible/Jesus).
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 KJV
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalms 119:160 KJV
Nowhere in the Bible does it state that in the beginning, was the church. You have erred because you do not understand the scriptures. Repent!
@@forthosewitheyestosee8183 Dude "The Word" isn't the Bible. It's Christ, the Logos, a divine person. That's what the actual Greek says. It says "The Logos". "Word" is a terrible translation. When you see the term "Word" with a definitive article, it's talking about Christ, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Not the Holy Scripture
The New Testament was written after the Church was established by Christ. The Bible testifies to Him, but isn't Him. We aren't Muslims with an eternal holy book in heaven with God.
Do you worship the text of the Bible as God? Do you offer sacrifice to the Bible?
"Why aren't the Orthodox more Charitable on this issue?" Is the question I see all over the RC and Protestant side.
The Orthodox were extremely Charitable from the 8th Ecumenical Council, through the 1054 split, the council of Lyons(RC Council where the Dual Hypostatic Procession of the Holy Spirit was Dogmatise), Florence(Where Orthodox Bishops were starved and beaten in order for them to sign false union), and ultimately the fall of Constantinople.
Orthodoxy throughout these events tried to maintain some sort of dialog with the West and was burned repeatedly for it. So it is understandable that now we are leery of any sort of dialog. Especially since the Romans that Departed from Orthodoxy are not the same Romans that come to us now.
what do you mean by charitable ?
Its very easy. Look at Francis. And ask yourself. "Do i really want to join myself to him?"
Its that simple. The papacy has been corrupt for 1000 years. And we see the fruits of that.
Amen. “You will know them by their fruits.”
@@Landbeorhtexcept francis as a pope can and has IRREVERSIBLY changed Roman Catholic DOGMA.
One or two rouge bishops in Orthodoxy cannot change the Church dogma.
@AmericanVagabond1776 which dogma of the catholic faith did the pope change?
@@riccardozorn1822Didnt he remove latin mass? ur own Church is splintering into rival factions.
@@riccardozorn1822he changed the Catholic position on the death penalty.
He has allowed divorced and remarried Catholics to take eucharist..
He has allowed priests to bless homosexuals, even if they are in couples, and not repentant.
He of course got rid of the Latin Mass
And he has also made unitarian prayers to try and bring them in communion with him. (Fretelli tutti)
Also he has claimed that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
We shall build on old ruins❤❤only Jesus can bring churches together 🙏❤️✝️
The Church is one. Many limbs have been pruned off of the Church, like the Roman church which gave birth to Protestantism.
Awsome Job Fr.
love this video thank you!
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GOD B L E S S YOU!
Romanian Orthodox!
Through Uncreated Energies works the Lord.
I’m so proud to be orthodox ☦️
Jesus son of David have mercy on us all sinners, may we all be united as one 1️⃣ ☦️
Thank you Father.
THANK YOU!
Roman catholic has very bloody art, as someone from Peru that scared me when I was a child lol
For protestants the catholic and orthodox churches seem so similar because our churches have become little more than bible study groups at best, and feminist social clubs at worst.
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Catholics are falling into modernity, Orthodoxy still maintains tradition.
@@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded long before they fell into modernity, as u call it, they fell into heresy.
@@agiasf7330 modernity is a heresy
Your mind will reframe if you attend an actual church instead of just getting wound up by internet idealogues. Attend a trad mass and you'll find it utterly obsessed with church politics instead of the sacred heart of Jesus and living out the scriptures. There is no "modernism" in the church outside of some punchy headlines misquoting Pope Francis on your favorite news channel.
@@bernard637Having been around RCism for many years, modernism is in every Parish I've attended.
My advice: go to a Divine Liturgy and go to a mass. You’ll know…
I used to be a faithful catholic, reader and help at the altar. But since the beginning of 2024 I have been attending the divine liturgy, and I just fell in love. It's unexplainable
Im kind of in the same position as that guy, the only thing that still confuses me surrounding this issue is that the RC church also has a lot of dead saints with incorruptible bodies, to me that seems like God’s way of showing us that there is still saving grace in both churches
There is only one Church. Sadly, the Roman church left the rest of the whole (katholikos) Church and started a new communion of its own, parallel to the one Church.
Many of those so called "incorrupt Saints" in RCism are covered in a wax likeness of the person, but not actually incorrupt.
Saving grace, so to speak, is only in the Church, in the Holy Mysteries. God can make exceptions for individuals, of course, but we can't say how often this is as we don't know.
@@LadyMariaExcuse me, if I may ask, what are the marks of the Universal Church?
@@LadyMaria But its not just wax likeness, they have literally let atheist scientists examen the bodies and they said that its a miracle and that there is no scientific explenation, and the scientist eventually converted. Or Sister Wilhelmina Lancaster who is a nun that was burried for 3 years and her cascet wasent even fully sealed and her body hasent decomposed at all. I agree the Orthodox Church seems like the 1 True Church from every perspective from what I have seen, historically, dogma, theology, tradition, filioque, Everything! But in the end of the day this one thing keeps making me unsure, there are so many saints as well, its truly a mircle by God being manifested in the RC Church
@@LadyMariaDo you have evidence that these saints are covered in a wax that keeps them incorruptible? Dont you think this wouldve been taken up by everybody if this were true? Please, do not bear false witness, especially against Saints. Please dont come up with something or make things up, no matter how logical you may think it sounds.
Rome is the Latin Rite, just as there are the Greek Rite, Byzantine Rite, etc. Big, big names in orthodoxy have stated clearly, that it is naive to Believe Christ did not set up Peter as the Holy See in Rome, over all the other apostles. Please study into this, and Rome IS in communion eith eastern orthodoxy through the other eastern catholic churches, such as the Byzantine church. Do not be deceive, the Church is one and always has been one, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church
Can you please explain the difference in Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy? I know it has to do with the nature of Christ , can you explain it in a layperson way? Thank you.
Not Orthodox or Oriental so take what i say with a grain of salt.
But iirc it something like EO say Christ has two natures, human and divine.
Whereas OO say he has one nature that is both divine and human.
OO believe that Christ is one person with ONE nature, and this nature is a perfect balance of human and divine (monophysitism), while Chalcedon (EO) accepted dyophystism, which states that Christ is one person with TWO natures, a human nature and a divine, these are distinct but exist together in a hypostatic union.
@@arturmonteiro8541Orientals are Miaphysites. They believe that Christ has one nature both God and man however neither can be mingled nor separated. They confuse nature and Person but won't budge.
My understanding is that Divine and a human natures of Christ are separable in EO & NOT separable in OO.
@@brankabrnica1914 No the natures are not separable or it wouldn't be Christ. They are also not mingled. In Orientalism they believe in one nature, God and man, that cannot be mingled.
Thank you Father ,you have given me that kick i needed ,most of my life I've been in and around the Catholic Church, but never really felt at home or fully committed, but i never lost my love for the holy trinity, i also think having a love for history , didn't help learning parts of Catholic history just didn't sit well with me ,don't get me wrong Father world history made me hate what man does and the evil one who controls all countries in our world i understand why humanity is so divided,which bring me to the orthodox Faith which i have read alot about and still much to learn ,anyway lockdown changed that and i started to get more deeply into orthodoxy...I thank you ,all the orther Father's who have opened my mind for more learning and Bishop Mari i never miss his masses im hooked ..Any way Father bless you it was your words, i need to see,hear ,smell, taste and feel the orthodox church it's spiritual family and take the next step on the orthodox journey ..I hav found a Greek orthodox church near me and i will going next sunday ..Peace be with you and world family...
The fact is, you have only gone from one ungodly deception right into another one. Both Godless cults of catholicism and orthodoxy have nothing to do with the Bibles Christianity. You are steeped in darkness and deception. Repent!
@@forthosewitheyestosee8183The Orthodox Church's inspired authors and prophets wrote and compiled the Bible (as the Ekklesia was the Second Temple before the New Testament, and so on). It's the only "Biblical" Faith.
@@LadyMaria ,...Wrong! Neither the cults of orthodoxy nor catholicism had anything to do with the writing of the Bible. The Bible was written by God. Neither of these manmade abominations have anything whatsoever to do with the Christianity of the Bible.
Just as in the old testament God used ungodly nations to do his will, so too God used these Godless, false, churches to accomplish his will and put together the Bible for him as it was these who had the resources at the time to do this. This in no way whatsoever means that these phony evil, corrupt, godless churches have anything to do with the Bibles Christianity.
You are all completely steeped in deception and are just the followers of Godless men, the blind following the blind. Repent!
Caths try to convert me, pray for them!☦️☦️☦️
The Roman Catholics are the fathers of Protestantism , they are "Western Christians" but Jesus and the Apostles were not Westerns at all ! #KeepOrthodox #KeepEastern
As a Catholic I don't agree with you saying they are the fathers of Protestantism just because it has the Roman rite. Orthodoxy itself is divided between the Eastern and Oriental churches, and then further along nationalistic lines. EO doesn't recognize the Syriac, Alexandrian and Armenian rites, while OO doesn't recognize the Byzantine rite. Only the Catholic Church recognizes all of them as equally valid. Just because it is "Western" makes it no less valid than the others, they share all the same sacraments dating back to the Apostles. Protestantism has no continuous priesthood or apostolic succession or valid sacraments unlike the CC, EO, OO and Assyrian churches.
@@gunshotlagoon922Holy Orthodoxy is not divided between those two. Two different things completely. BTW, the Orientals left Rome as much as the Orthodox Catholic Church, as Rome was a church therein. They departed in AD 451. They only started using "Orthodox" in modern times.
The Roman Catholic church doesn't care about anything but fealty to the Pope. Contradicting beliefs between the 7 Rites is no problem if they kneel to the Pope. And that's the reality and one reason why I left RCIA.
In the Orthodox Catholic Church, we've always purged the heresies and contradictions.
The Roman Catholic church birthed the English and Western Reformations, which is Protestantism, their offspring.
@@LadyMaria The Orientals didn't "leave Rome" they broke off from everyone else because of their belief in miaphysitism. People say Catholics must accept the Papacy, but Eastern Orthodoxy is nothing but Byzantine supremacy and exclusivity. You are unaccepting of anyone who is not of the Byzantine Rite. You even believe that the churches of Lebanon, Armenia, Ethiopia and India are heretics, not just Rome. When the Apostles and their successors spread the Gospel they were preaching to many different lands, peoples, cultures, mentalities who had a variety of understandings of dogma over the centuries. Under the care and protection of the Papacy all these rites and churches maintain their traditions and autonomy but all share the same common matters of the Christian faith which unites them in holy communion. It truly lives up to catholicity, which means "universal". Catholics under the Holy See are the only ones who have been healing and reuniting the broken fragments of Christ's Church after hundreds of years of schism. Orthodoxy isn't interested in doing this, they just call everyone else heretics even though they practice the same valid sacraments. To be Orthodox you must submit to Byzantium and that is hardly universal.
@@LadyMariathe roman Catholic who has what cares? It's a body made up of people, not a disembodied institution. Step outside of the internet idealogues and speak to actual Catholic people living the parish life daily.
@@gunshotlagoon922So another words, in summary, Truth doesn't matter, only kneeling to the Papacy does.
The Byzantine Rite is customizable without losing anything. That's why the Slavic Divine Liturgies differ from the Greek, and so on.
If Orientals weren't Miaphysites (who separated of their own will in AD 451 when Rome was in communion with the Church) and embraced other heresies then they'd be welcome back and their Liturgies too. The Coptics are close.
The fact is that the Western Rite just doesn't have enough people who want to embrace it. Many come from the heavily watered down Novus Ordo or from the stifled TLM, see the Divine Liturgy of the Byzantine Rite and come home. I'm one of them.
Christ's Body can't be broken. When people leave or are cut off, they are no longer part of the Body.
I'll add that up until last century the RCC stifled the other 6 Rites that were not Latin, forcing them to have Latin in their Liturgies and to follow the TLM until V II happened. By then the churches of those rites had to slowly bring back their native rites. Many are still Latinized or hybrids. Sad history. They even tried to force the Orthodox to become Uniates (which, again, were Latinized) by threat of torture or death.
The correct term should just be Catholicism. All Roman Catholics are Catholic, but not all Catholics are Roman. The Roman church is only ONE church that makes up the universal Catholic Church, there are 23 churches from the East across 5 other liturgical rites it is in communion with who aren't Roman.
And the fact is, all of them are 100% apostate from God and from the Bibles Christianity. Repent!
We say Roman because you are all under the Roman Papacy. So, technically all are Roman. And if we really look at it the East was called the Eastern Roman Empire. We could say Papal Catholic.
Anyway, Orthodox are Catholic, but not Papal. That's why we can't just say Catholicism for you all. We are the Orthodox Catholic Church.
@@LadyMaria I understand what you mean, but the Church under the Papacy is simply Catholic for the sole purpose of it actually being universal, not just because it happens to be headquartered in Rome. Eastern Orthodoxy claims to be universal in its supposed catholicity, but it isn't. It is exclusively Byzantine and they do not accept anyone of the Latin, Armenian, Antiochian, Chaldean and Alexandrian rites. You are not in communion with any of the historical churches of Ethiopia, Lebanon, Syria, Armenia, Iraq, Egypt or India, all of whom you consider heretics and choose to remain in schism with simply because they are not Byzantine.
@@gunshotlagoon922 Catholicity means wholeness and the Roman Catholic church doesn't have that.
It doesn't matter what rites we have or don't have (we have Byzantine and Western, fyi) as the former adapted to those around it. The Greek version looks different from the Slavic and so on. We didn't compromise Truth just to be able to say "we have sooo many rites!" No, Truth matters. So until there's repentance from the Oriental churches and even Rome, we won't be in communion with either. Rome isn't in communion with the Orientals either. Instead, they created Uniates to replace them just as they did with the Church. Before last century and even in last century they were all Latinized and had to serve the Latin/Roman Rite. Yes they could hold their unique beliefs but not their liturgical rites then. And many of their beliefs are not compatible with the Latin Rite's beliefs. So now the only point of communion is the Pope. Not true Faith, just a man.
And we're not in communion with the Orientals because of heresies they hold like Miaphysitism. We're not in communion with Rome for the same reason. So excuse us if we're trying to keep the Faith once handed down without compromise. That's what we're supposed to do. Next time you're going to libel our Faith on our forum, please turn around and walk away. Best for all.
@@LadyMaria Hardly. Rome didn't create those churches. The followers from those churches chose to remain in communion with the Holy See but were cut off due to the schisms and other historical events. Only in the last several centuries have they been slowly reunifying as the Church has de-Latinized. I say this as someone who is with the Russian Greek Catholic Church, there is nothing Latin about us. Different liturgical traditions exist because the Apostles preached to many different cultures, but all shared the same common Christian beliefs, the same sacraments and apostolic succession which are valid. That is the Truth that matters. Miaphysitism is a different understanding but still arrives at the same conclusion of Christ being wholly human and divine. The Filioque was primarily a linguistic difference between the Greek and Latin languages. We recognize these differences and they are not enough to break Christ's original Church into many over centuries-old semantics, traditions and cultural technicalities. "Western Rite Orthodoxy" was invented by some German guy in the 19th century and it's still under Byzantine supremacist rule.
The simple fact that Roman Church encompasses a good number of Eastern Orthodox rites but the Orthodox Church itself is splintered into many often warring factional sub-churches is all one needs to know as to who the true mother church is😊
The RCC has 6 Eastern Rites in 22 sui iuris churches that do not agree with one another on doctrines or dogmas. Fealty to the Pope is the only unity they have. They sweep these things under the rug. Don't forget Protestantism, the biggest sect of schisms.
The Orthodox Church isn't splintered into many factional sub churches. We all have one set of doctrines and dogmas; one Faith, one baptism, one Lord and God of all. Eucharistic unity of Christ is our unity, not some guy.
The Roman church was just one church of many in the whole Church. It split off from the rest of the Church. It would be silly to say an entire Church split from a local autocephalos church when that one church protested the rest of the Church because of its innovations. So, the Orthodox Catholic Church is the Mother Church.
@@LadyMariaSure thing, one set of doctrines and dogmas, indeed!
Would that such a fantasy were true!
Maybe try getting the 'unified' Orthodox Church leaders to sit down in one room without fisticuffs breaking out, that would be a great start!
@@mandatumnovum7127Try getting your Pope to sit down in council for the RCC and end clown masses and other displays of irreverent activity via the spirit of Vatican II and to punish the "Bishops/Priests" of your religion who go against God and who bless same sex unions and other evil things. It won't happen.
At least we preserve our Faith and being decentralized can nip things in the bud. Sure we have our major issues, but none of them are as bad as what Rome has. That's one reason why I'm not with the RCC anymore in RCIA.
Either one is better than Protestantism.
Let talk about moral teaching in the Orthodox Church, which Church have the true moral teaching which lead to Eternal Life, Orthodox Church of to day have different moral teaching with the Orthodox Church of the XIXth century. Otherwise, in Catholic Church there have been the same moral since the begening. Eg. Divorce and re.mariage, contraception, ... on all those topics, Catholic Church is more Orthodox than the so called Orthodox Church how can you explain that ? How can you be the Church if even your moral teaching are not the same in different Orthodox Churches ?
Look up the 920 Council in Constantinople at which divorce is discussed and the canon law given was accepted in Rome.
There is no second marriage in Orthodoxy, for the ceremony is penitential and not at all the same as the Mystery of Marriage.
@@OrthodoxEthos but still exist a second mariage. Even if it's with penitential rite. And it's recongnize by you as a mariage. I'm sorry but that's not the view of mariage which have been given to us by apostoles. By the way just to every person who will come here to know there is not in Orthodox Church clear teaching about contraception for example...
Is God going to put Catholics through an academic test because they did not have the time or discernment to see Orthodoxy is correct? The reason we trust Priests and church leaders is because we’re not qualified on our own.
It very sad that when Rome was Orthodox then they went their own way and started changing...............with the Schism of 1054 and took the name Roman Catholic and continued the heresies the roman inventions and some time falsehoods......🥲🥲🥲
Father,i ask your blessing.Could you perhaps,explain the difference between ethos and ethics?
i am an orthodox romanian. what i dont understand is what is meant when somebody says ''eastern orthodox church''. does it include the coptic orthodox church? the ethiopian orthodox? the armenian orthodox? what exactly is meant when ''eastern orthodox church'' is said, because when i hear it and in pretty much every context its just rocor, russian orthodox church, romanian orthodox church and maybe the greek orthodox church sometimes. we often make fun of protestants for having so many branches and denominations that we often forget how even our church has its cracks. God bless
I suggest looking at what eastern orthodox is and oriental orthodox/ non chalecedonians. 👍 God be with you☦️
It's pretty easy. We're taught this in Orthodox inquirer classes. Church history.
Coptics, Armenians, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Syriac, and Malankara all split from the Church in AD 451 over the council of Chalcedon. They did so over Monophysitism, now Miaphysitism.
The Orthodox Catholic Church (what some say is the Eastern Orthodox Church) is the churches of Constantinople/Greece, Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, OCA (Orthodox Church in America), Romania, Czech and Slovak Lands, Antiochian, etc. These aren't divisions or factures or denominations.. These are all part of the same Church with the same Faith.
The Bible speaks about churches in different areas, but all belonging to the same Church with one Faith, one baptism and one Lord of all. Well, this is that Church. The churches of Corinth, Colossae, Thessalonica, Ephesus, Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria from the Bible still exist in our Church.
Being Orthodox, you should know all of this. There's nothing similar to Protestantism.
@@LadyMaria Dear friend, I am also a Romanian orthodox. "Being Orthodox, you should know all of this." This is true BUT you have to understand that Romania is an orthodox country. Many people here don`t need to find the this kind of answers and just practice the faith. Being orthodox here is a given. Especially if you are in the east part that was not under the Hungarian Empire. I personally know many people that would not be able to answer most theological questions but are Orthodox Christians far beyond me who am attracted to this theological side and do study it as much as I can. But I see them and I realize that all my answers are nothing compared to their way of living the faith.
No, copts are OO.
thank you everybody for clarifying. God bless
I was in prison and a sinner. I started reading something other than a King James. I made parole and started having real visions of myself in third person. Some people killed me, and I came back to life. They killed me, my dad, stepbrother, uncle, and best friend. I saw myself sinning. I told someone that Black Lives Matter would happen many years before it did. I had something called emerods and Jesus healed them when I started being obedient and studying the King James Bible 1611. The visions made me incredibly anxious due to guilt and stress. I puked up everything in my belly until bile came up, then blood, then some stones. Black on grey on white rocks. like something you would find in a river. Then I stopped wanting to sin. I'm not joking people. Oh ya and all the people who i mentioned that died, died in the order that I saw them.
They put methamphetamine in my food that they made me for making parole.
It's not uncommon for people who are under a curse/demonized to puke up weird items when they are delivered, usually black. Referred to as witch's bolus.
Thanks for the useful, feedback.@@liia9736
I'm born in France but my mother is Russian but i'm complitely divided myself because my french culture is really connected with catholicism but i' also can choose the rissian side and so orthodoxy.Also my parents are respectively catholic and orthodox and if i choose a side i feel like i leave the other parent and i love them "less" , they're also other issues that i can't really explain but if you have an idea what to do i would be welcome to have help ❤
Consider also the words of our Lord:
Matt. 10 Verses 34 to 39
[37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."
Follow the Lord and be a light to those around you, including your parent who is enmeshed in Catholicism. Following the Lord includes immersing yourself in the love and lives of the Saints -- the communion of the Saints. Read and venerate and ask the Lord, His Most Pure Mother, the Theotokos, and the Saints for help. Beg them to open the path for you to fully immerse yourself in the Grace of God in the One Body of Christ.
Ones agreement or disagreement on a belief doesn't change their love. I'm a musician. Because one of my children loves music more than the other doesn't mean I love them more. These differences leave plenty of room for growth and love. Sometimes MORE of a reason to cling to the love despite and because of the differences. May God bless and guide you into Truth!
Western Rite Orthodoxy might at least be a good cultural compromise for both of them.
@@eldermillennial8330 they're separated
@@mikemolaro4198 thank you father
The fact that the Orthodox church is utterly obsessed with the Catholic church is actually one of my biggest convictions on why the Roman Catholic church is the one. Protestants and Orthodox are reactionary movements against the Catholic church. However, the Catholic church stands in its own right as the original and rarely discusses the other two in a negative context.
Because the Catholic Church is and has been full of controversy and non-Biblical actions. That’s why people are not ok with it.
@@thejectorproject The church is full of sinners, has been and always will be. We trust that the Holy Spirit will guide the apostolic bishops and the Church forward even in dismal times. May both of us draw closer to the full truth of the Gospel wherever the Holy Spirit leads.
Roman Catholics are obsessed with us, always coming into our forums to troll even if their religion isn't the topic of conversation.
The Roman Catholic Church has persecuted the orthodox church for centuries. Read the council of florence where orthodox bishops were beaten and starved because they didn't accept the papacy and the filloque. Read the sack of constantinople where Roman Catholics killed priests, slaughtered nuns, stole the relics of saints, installed their own parallel patriarch of Constantinople. Read abou the persecution of orthodox Christians in croatia. The Roman Catholics are the first protestants. Despite this persecution orthodoxy has stayed alive and is growing, while other Christian denominations are shrinking.
@@bernard637 all the Roman Catholic apologists constantly talk about Orthodoxy as well. This logic also doesn't compute, just because someone talks about something a lot does not somehow make that position true because it's talked about a lot? Is Arianism true because St. Athanasius focused on it a lot?
I am literally confused which is original but all i know is Jesus Christ is Lord who will come again to Judge The Living and The Dead and No One Goes To The Father Except Through His Beloved Son Jesus Christ.Amen
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7:40 Faith. Fr. is spot-on with all of this here. (Protestant here). 8:30 Now, Fr. loses me haha.
I must be a flaming Protestant: Salvation message in Eastern, Coptic, Roman, and Protestant communities.
One has to - indeed! - experience the love and communion in the Orthodox Church. May it be so for you, dear soul!
That's what my Catholic friends tell me about Rome. Absolute confusion. Makes me more certain to remain Protestant, alas. @@OrthodoxEthos
@@jeffthechristian3010Or, become an Orthodox Christian.
As one that loves the spirituality of the East this video leaves so much lacking. Mystery is so important but not as an excuse to try to understand as much as we can. Vatican II is an easy escape. Read the documents and you will see that much of it was an attempt to unite east and west while maintaining the deep mystical tradition of the Church. Pray for the West in its journey now but it has snot slipped from the teachings that we find in the Didache to this day.
Rocket science, quantum physics and string theory combined are simpler to understand than the history of abrahamic religions
Anyone knows the name of the chant at the end of the video?
Does anyone know the truth of the Bible? Certainly not anyone snared into the Godless cult of orthodoxy.
@@forthosewitheyestosee8183 godless cult? Orthodoxy is all about God,
@@6958921 ,...The truth is, orthodoxy has nothing whatsoever to do with the God of the Bible. It is a 100% false manmade cult that is 100% outside of the kingdom of God. It is everything the Bible repeatedly warns us not to be deceived by.
Again, does anyone know the truth of the Bible? The answer is no! Everything known as the church is all 100% apostate from God and from the truth and the Christianity of the Bible. The Bibles Christianity is 100% separated from everything known as the church.
@@forthosewitheyestosee8183 Protestant nonsense.
@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx
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@DKjellby ,...Your ignorant comment is just what we can expect from an orthodox/catholic. However lost and apostate the protestant church is, it is millions of times less lost and apostate than are the Godless abominations of orthodoxy and catholicism.
Your false manmade religion is the religion of the accursed of God, of the spiritually dead and blind, of the Biblically illiterate, the willingly ignorant, and of the brute beasts made only to be destroyed. Repent!
Admittedly, I am Roman Catholic. But in wanting to know more about Orthodoxy, I watched this video. Now I find myself less curious about Orthodoxy. I find nothing edifying or imitative of Jesus’s love in this discussion, but just empty assertions of night and day.
What of the Raskolniks, however?
They separated in two groups themselves, some denouncing the priesthood and some keeping it. You will find some more "traditional" raskolniks under the name of "lipoveni" in South-East Romania( the antic Scythia Minor). I know some of them. Most of whom I know are came back to orthodoxy but keep the name of "lipoveni" not as a religion but as a genealogy. I also know some that have kept their religion but they are very few and how they do it is that will baptize both in their church and in the ortodox church their kids (this does not seem right to me). There might be some that only attend their thing, but I do not personally know any.
Why does it have to be one or the other ?
With regards to ecumenism how does the Orthodox Church interpret Mark 9:38-41
I can respond to you with my own experience. You can choose to believe me or not...Most people I talk to about this issues don`t, that`s fine I guess, I will however respond the way I know. The first exorcism I went to( To Sihastria Monastery in Neamt/ Romania), at the end, the poor old lady passed out but the devil screamed to the priests that it will have it`s revenge through ecumenism (I refuse to write the exact words of the devil so this will have to do, even tho I will never be able to forget the exact words and the voice). So this is it. For me it`s all I need to know about ecumenism but I get it that not anyone will believe this.
@@neyneynanamo2071 could it be that the demons were exploiting your worst fear. It does not necessarily follow that ecumenism is wicked. I am most interested in the churches interpretation of the passage above.
@@zachpatterson434 I was in a room with over 15 people and a few priests so no, it was clearly directed to the priests....at that moment I did not even knew what ecumenism was. This was in 2004 or 2005..sometime in that winter.
Edit: this was earlier in 2004, not winter. The second I was to was in early 2005 winter.
@@zachpatterson434ecumenism is a heresy for it deludes the teaching of Christ and makes Truth meaningless. Because "all faiths are the same" and "dogma doesn't matter"
It's a trick of the Evil One.
Eastern Orthodox church are not orthodox in their teaching nor catholic in their practice.
I like both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholic. I am assuming God loves both followers as well. I pray that the two sects of Christianity will reconcile. Pride will have to fall. Both groups as missing the treasures each group has the offer the non Christian world.
im Roman Catholic. we all just different flavors. God Bless!
According to all of our saints, so-called Roman Catholicism is outside of the Church and does not have the Holy Spirit. They were removed from the Church in the 11th century for their heresies.
The Church doesn't have different "flavours" it is ONE. Once you leave that body, you're no longer part of it
@@OrthodoxEthos that for why on the filioque it has beentold to you to not profess it but not it's a heresie ? Why you don't teach your People that Vatican I the text on the infaillibility of the Pope is from the act of the council of Ephesus where all Bishops accept without discussio when the infaillibility and the juridictionnal authority of the pope were proclam ?
How can you explain tha there is not Holy Spirit in Roman Catholic Church when the apostolic succession have been since the begining ? If the Bishop of Rome is primus inter pares and there not Holy Spirit in His Church it's the same also for the other pares. You just have biased regard on the history of the Church being St doesn't not give you the certitude of the True even for the Church fathers, so you can call all St hou want there is always more evidence the juridictionnal authority of the Pope the Orthodox rejected than non evidence. The Papal authority is plausible even in the Bible with the story of the Jews and Jesus but not the autocephalus Churches. So I'm sorry but you can't spread lies like that. Sometimes some Orthodoxes act the same as Protestant.
@@OrthodoxEthos which heresies ? Because if it's the filioque since the 6th century it was already said by the occidental Church and still, the East was on communion with Rome but because of politicals and juridictionals opinions in the East, on the 12 Century, desorder have been put where every early Church Father were agreeing on the Supremacy of the Church of Rome... with whom all others have be in the mater of faith agreeing because it's there where is the purest confession of the Faith. This kind of paraphrase of one of many Church Fathers. Papacy is more traditionnal than everything EO can said about autocephalus Church
Are any of you at the very least aware that the Eastern Orthdox Church has been an offshoot from the See of Rome, which confirms that your Bishops are obedient to the Roman Pontiff? No matter which justification Orthodoxy wishes to claim from to preserve its Christian heritage, the essential history of Orthodoxy does NOT occupy an Apostolic seat. Therefore, it cannot bind and loose without being in communion with the Bishop of Rome. This is why Eastern Orthodoxy has been strictly focused on practicing Christianity 'from its earliest stages' as it has no other choice but to stick to this tenet for its own existence
The Roman church was one church of many in the whole Church. There were multiple Sees. The original Seat of St. Peter was Antioch, Alexandria and Rome together with Rome having primacy of honor (not supremacy) being the Seat of the Emperor of the Ecumene too at the time.
The particular church of Rome was cut off from the rest of the Church, severing its Apostolic Succession, and then Rome created a new communion of churches which is what schismatics do.
We stick to the Faith once handed down. That's what we're supposed to do.
All Bishops descend from St. Peter in authority. That has nothing to do with Rome. The other Sees of Antioch, Alexandria, Ephesus, etc. existed before Rome in the 1st century.
The Second Ecumenical Council was held and accepted without Rome in communion with the Church. When it came back decades later, it accepted the council for its jurisdiction.
Question@@LadyMaria, could you describe this alleged process or occurrence by which the See of Rome 'lost' its line of Apostolic Succession in light of this 'severance' from the Church? Are you aware of the multiple writings and pronouncements made by the Church Fathers strictly aligning all other churches to the See of Rome for the proclamation of Church doctrine? (Constantinople wasn't even mentioned by any Church Father nonetheless)
Furthermore, since the Eastern Churches claim to inherit Apostolic doctrine passed down from Antiquity, could you refer me to an historically accepted, credible site or source proving to me the correct bishopric lineage Orthodoxy has enjoyed from the ordination of an apostle, to the current bishop?
Finally, when did Rome 'return' to this church, as you said they severed ties then returned. Which century did they leave and then returned?
You definitely projected something onto this question that almost certainly wasn't there. This wasn't a guy saying he couldn't see any difference between RC & EO Christianity. He does see them and is trying to adjudicate which of the 2 competing claims is more plausible. You jumping up and down saying, "Were really, really different" likely didn't help him make that determination. C'mon Father, listen.
Only the exists of pope is enough to disagree rc
Neither.
Why not the Orthodox Church?
The Orthodox just plain don’t like us!
The RCs don't like us going by the comments they leave on our forums and what they say in their groups.
Not true. We love you.
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@@OrthodoxEthos I lean towards an Orthodox view of the papacy, but I also believe that if we removed the filioque and were open to reinterpreting the papacy, we wouldn't get a single letter from the Orthodox. I don't see any evidence that the Orthodox desire reunion in principle, and if nobody desires it, it won't happen.
Esoteric christianity have the advantage of attracting people with integrity to experience, think and interpret for themselves without fearing to step outside a pre determined faith prison. The greatest mystics in all traditions navigated the circumstances elegantly, but the vast majority of priests and bishops certainly did - and continue to do - serious harm. Fear of standing in spiritual integrity have killed authentic faith for many.
Without submission to Christ as HE ORDERED one is still willful and full of pride which is pretest or spiritual delusion.
How did He direct us to submit to Him, to come into communion with Him?
To become members of His Body through His Apostles, in and through the Mysteries of the Church.
This "scandal of the particular" is what the "esoteric", so-called, "Christians" cannot accept. But unless you crucify your intellect on THIS CROSS you will have no part with the One Who was Pierced and is and will forever be marked by the print of the nails.
@Mika-El "Esoteric Christianity"?
@@OrthodoxEthos
The point I made in my comment is valid.I dare you to question your innermost motifs and rationale and see if and where your faith is based in fear and if your obedience to tradition is rooted in ego weakness and self-will.
Ofcourse the intellect should be crucified and the will of God reign supreme. This, according to mystics from several traditions, is a process so deep eventually, that very very few have even come closely. The soul must give up everything for God, every single foothold that still serves the ego. Here is where traditions may no longer serve the wanderer as it may have did earlier.
I have no illusions that you will agree or that orthodox christians, or any other religious group, christian or non christian (exactly as convinced and non-yielding as you) would officially adopt the kind of deeply humble mindset and examine every attitude, dogma, image and habit and without any defenses and pre determined stances ask - with a child like mind - the Holy Spirit what is true in the deepest sense and then silently wait for a personal communication. I am sure that you, as anyone else, would find 'stuff' that just isn't true.
I dare anyone to do that continually and it goes without saying that I include myself. Then it would be a mighty ground to communicate these things with each other - nous to nous - and also a truly fertile ground for Christ to be invited.
Submission without or before such inner inventory is at best a begunning, at worst phony.
@@DunsQuintus-sb7zo Yes, gnosis. The teachings Christ referred to when he said he couldn't teach the apostles everything but would send the Holy Spirit to complete the teaching. Or the "meat" St Paul referred to.
Needless to say, I have mostly only been able to digest the milk so far in my life.
@@M-i-k-a-e-lso you're a gnostic....
Sorry. But we don't try to reach gnosis, but Theosis.
Fr. I disagree. The Othodox are not that far from the Roman church. Pope John Paul ll and Pope Benedict Xl made that clear, get over yourself.
Quotes?
Not much difference when it comes down to revelation and salvation.
Huge difference.
This comment could not be made by an informed Orthodox Christian, nor by anyone who is familiar with the Saints of the Church and their writings.
You know nothing.
Not exhibitionists? You haven't seen the new converts in my neighbourhood!
And if there is a huge chasm between EO & RC, the chasm between EO & protestants is even worse.
sorry???
@@OrthodoxEthos
4:45
Lot's of Protestants are converting to EO, I'm one of them.
Not at all. Tons of Protestants are converting to Orthodoxy. It’s actually much easier for Protestants to convert to Orthodoxy than it is Roman Catholicism because they don’t have to bow down to a “Pope”.
@@countryboyred
These were the exhibitionists I referred to in my original post.
Islam ftw
No.
Orthodoxy mimics the one true Apostolic faith: Catholicism. The Iconic style existed before the heresy of the schism. Look at the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church Cathedral in Byzantine Style in Westminster- all iconography is in the Greek fashion of mosaic aand stylised postures.
We are Catholic ("of the whole") just not Papal. We mimic nothing.
Too polemical.
Roman Jesus looks like this 🏳️🌈💁🏼
Orthodox Jesus looks like this 🗿
I don't believe in neither, but I would choose Orthodox Christianity 100% over Catholicism.
Swing and a miss
You mean the Jesus Christ that Michaelangelo sculpted in the Pieta in the arms of the Theotokos?
Let's not speak of our Lord that way.
Neither. You’re literally choosing between the modern day Pharisees and Sadducees respectively.
protestant nonsense
The comment is animated by great degree of ignorance, and ad homonym
@@pah9730 Born and raised Roman Catholic and was recently confirmed in the Orthodox Church. After experiencing both, I realize both are actually the same.
@@LNR65then you haven't actually experienced Orthodoxy
Least braindead protestard.
Holy fire and Jasenovac.Two reasons im not catholic.
Same here!
If that faith has been maintained then why did you NOT maintain the old calendar?? Fair question
The calendar, not the paschal date, is not a part of the immovable deposit of faith.
And in any case, most Orthodox, the vast majority, still use the old calendar.
It’s my understanding that the miracle of holy fire in Jerusalem is a primary reason for this
The calendar has nothing to do with dogma or theology. in fact, the new calendar is more accurate
@@nikofedkin1752The old calendar is better liturgically, as the fasts aren't shortened and everything is maintained in proper order as it was designed to be. The whole accuracy thing is a worldly argument.
It would have been better to keep the old calendar, but it’s not something to schism over as it isn’t dogma
@DKjellby : AXIOS ☦️ ‼️
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Neither.
Why not the Orthodox Church?