bless the algorithm for showing me this, it must have been terrifying hunkering down and looking back on those straights, nothing between you and the road at 160(?) mph. kudos to you for trying this! love from the UK :D
Absolutely mortifying! I believe we were creeping into the 150s coming off the back bank onto the tri-oval section. Yet everyone says the same thing: "oh yeah but dude, you're only like 3 inches off the ground what could go wrong?" xD Cheers man, always great to hear from the UK! Honestly wasn't expecting this to get any views haha I'm actually uploading the qualifying round as I'm typing this.
@@alixvandurand I got kicked off the back of an F1 sidecar at 160mph due to a poor choice of handhold my first season as a passenger coming out of an incredibly high speed sweeper onto the main straight towards the waiving checkers at Reno-Fernley raceway, slid about 1/8th of a mile ending with a pretty impressive series of rolls at the end. My driver crossed the line in 8th, I took 8a shortly behind her. Came to a stop right across from the grandstands, stood up, bowed for the crowd, moonwalked off the track, stuck my thumb out and rode back into the pits as the third man on a Formula 2 sidecar. Unhurt, unscathed, destroyed my helmet, boots, gloves, suit were secondhand but good enough for practice and the second race the following day.
@@alixvandurand out of curiosity, how do you know when to poke your head back up after the long acceleration zones? is it just when you feel the rider start to decelerate or is it just based on “fuck this, i’m not letting this psycho go any faster”?
@@lowercase. haha I already had a good feel for the track from my earlier practices and races on the motorbike so I always knew generally where we were at any given point. But also the moment I feel he lets off, I lift my whole body and head up to assist with braking through drag of my own body, which also helps turn in because the wind resistance on me will steer us a slight bit towards the corner as well as my weight on the left tire as I'm already prepared to push out further for the actual corner.
Nicely done. Peter is an excellent pilot, I've shared the track with him. I was a F1 pro passenger for three seasons before stepping into the F1 cockpit for many years. The trick when it comes to passengering is 'less is more' and learning to lift up and 'float' in the transitions and let the vehicle move under you instead of crawling around :) Be careful, it's an addictive sport. Nothing like bending it into turn 8 at WIllow WFO in 6th and having the aero just stick all three massive slicks to the asphalt while your organic traction control system (or as I called it my R2 unit) fine tunes the chassis so it's balanced and sure-footed with the finesse of a Fantasia dancing hippo.
Peter Essaff is the one who I met at Barber during the Vintage Festival, and a week later ran into him on my way to registration at Daytona and he springs on me "you wanna take a ride?" with that cheeky lookin grin he's got. That's when he introduced me to Bill and the rest is history haha
I've ridden with him twice at Summit Point, but not in races. I'd totally do it again. I've also raced on two wheels at the IOM. Talk about having an appreciation for what it must be like doing the Mountain Course on a sidecar.
Viewer from the Uk, I love sidecars! I've been tempted so many times to do it. Being a sidecar passenger is not easy and doing it on the banking would need to be pretty damn fit, plus having balls made of titanium is recommended. For you to even attempt this, you're a legend!!!
Oh man, thank you, and cheers neighbor across the pond! The banking was pretty wild, you do have to hold yourself up a bit if resting on left else you'll slide right out of the car, hence why I started resting right then transitioning after bank coming onto tri-oval (in this video I hadn't started doing it yet thus I wasn't resting and also fighting a nasty cramp the whole time too). You gotta try it! Definitely shit-your-pants scary but totally worth it. I got pretty nice 360 footage of the races coming, would love for you to see it!
Where are you located? The group I met and who you see in this video travel all about the US and even to Europe sometimes. They constantly need a passenger when someone can't make it so I could get you in contact with someone if you're interested.
@@oGxSmokezZI know several of them live in Florida actually. I'm not sure if they got a website but they do have a Facebook group called US Sidecar Racing Association. You'll definitely find the right hook up on there!
@@gutsandglory1934 We're hitting about 150mph coming off the back bank into the tri-oval. When you're tucked in those sections, you can sort of look behind (I do this a few times in the video), but you can't do it for long because the track disappearing so fast in reverse gives you a bad bit of vertigo! And thank you!
Insta360 Go 3, it detaches from the pod where it's a tiny 1inx2in camera. I got the idea from someone on youtube who had a Scorpion helmet and he slid a magnet under the cheek pad which the camera snaps to but the way the cheek pads are in an Arai helmet that didn't work so I use the magnetic stem mount it comes with. I shaved down the stem part with an angle grinder to make it a little slimmer and I simply slid it between the cheek pad and inner shell of helmet. It fits good and snug where I don't even notice it's there and I can shake and bang my helmet about and it doesn't move a bit.
Not dissing side cars but it looks like more fun to be in the sidecar vs driving. He barely looks like he is moving. It looks very uncomfortable for both people.
I wish so bad I put the racebox on for the races but there was no time, for sure will in the future. The G's are so intense, it's way worse than it looks lol And it's very uncomfortable. I was fighting cramps the whole time and my hands and left shoulder were getting absolutely battered from holding on and braking. My butt was sore too from sitting on the edge on left turns. It's utterly insane, especially at Daytona. We were hitting speeds of about 150mph on the banks and tri-oval. The one I was riding was a ZX-10R engine so the thing was a monster.
As far as comfort - As the Driver - On the Becker, ART, LCR, style F1 chassis the carbon/kevlar cockpits are fit to the bodyshell and tailored to the dimensions of the driver (arm, torso, leg length) the knee runners are padded, the chest rest is padded (used as a brace for braking), there are places to rest your forearms inside the cockpit so you can stay light on the controls even at maximum braking. You don't get beat up or cramp up in a fitted cockpit. I 'passengered' for 3 seasons, it takes about six full race weekends and a couple trackdays to figure out the magic technique and 'flow' on the back of a F1 chassis. If you're climbing all over it and exerting yourself, coming back to the pits beat to crap covered in bruises and exhausted it means you're fighting the chassis, less is more. The trick is to let your mass and linear momentum 'float' you where you need to be by carefully timing your movements to be as smooth as butter. It's Tai Chi, on the outside of a moving vehicle, on a race track, at triple digit speeds, with no safety net... and it's the coolest feeling in the world when you get it just right. Nobody figures it out their first day, let alone in one session. Driving is the really fun part - With a good teammate on board who can really hold it down for you an F1 sidecar will accelerate like you've been shot out of a cannon, they will hold a drift on the power to the left and to the right at angle that would make a Drift Masters Champion blush, they can pull lateral G's that some open wheel cars wish they could, the brakes are just insane, you can carry brake markers so deep into a corner, brake so hard, and then turn in at such a high rate of speed and stick thanks to the contact patches, aero, and an actively tuned chassis that all it makes you want to do is keep trying to go around the corner that much more faster, because there doesn't feel like there's a limit. Took me a season to wrap my head around the speed. You can cut corners when you learn to fly the chair. As in you can literally pop the sidecar off the ground, drive the chassis on two wheels on the inside curbs of a corner to take a faster line flying the chair/wheel and passenger over the grass/dirt to gain an advantage. It's so hard to describe, I've raced motorcycles and these are just in a whole different universe of speed and ability. I own a FD Pro/AM Comp drift car now, and I still think my F1 sidecar racing years were more fun.
Ok I have like 3 things to say/ask...First of all, Isle of Man footage is the only other place I've ever seen sidecars race, and somehow I never noticed how wide and flat the rear tire is until just now. 2...People always give you shit about your heart rate but I'd have been at redline waiting to get on track, so...kudos? 3...the only other place I've seen a cheekpiece cam that wasn't absolute potato quality is F1, so spill
I thought the same thing until I saw the Sidecars race with AHRMA at the Barber Vintage Festival in Alabama. They've raced with AMA and MotoAmerica in the past, but no longer due to them stealing too much of the limelight apparently, attention is diverted when these things show up xD But they go all over America and UK, but it's a small group of people so they're just trying to bring more fans and get new riders/passengers interested in it to keep it alive. As for heartrate, I've accepted that I'm part hummingbird. MotoGP did a study with different riders, there was a huge difference in average/peak rates. Like 130 for the lowest to well over 200 so I think it's more just person by person. Some people have higher rates and it's normal for them. Every time I've had bloodwork done, they've always told me my heart is healthy so idk? I feel great after I ride, like I just did a typical workout. Lastly, my helmet cam is an Insta360 Go 3. Amazing little thing, but the battery life is only good for about 30-35 minutes when separated from its pod.
bless the algorithm for showing me this, it must have been terrifying hunkering down and looking back on those straights, nothing between you and the road at 160(?) mph. kudos to you for trying this! love from the UK :D
Absolutely mortifying! I believe we were creeping into the 150s coming off the back bank onto the tri-oval section. Yet everyone says the same thing: "oh yeah but dude, you're only like 3 inches off the ground what could go wrong?" xD Cheers man, always great to hear from the UK! Honestly wasn't expecting this to get any views haha I'm actually uploading the qualifying round as I'm typing this.
@@alixvandurand I got kicked off the back of an F1 sidecar at 160mph due to a poor choice of handhold my first season as a passenger coming out of an incredibly high speed sweeper onto the main straight towards the waiving checkers at Reno-Fernley raceway, slid about 1/8th of a mile ending with a pretty impressive series of rolls at the end. My driver crossed the line in 8th, I took 8a shortly behind her. Came to a stop right across from the grandstands, stood up, bowed for the crowd, moonwalked off the track, stuck my thumb out and rode back into the pits as the third man on a Formula 2 sidecar. Unhurt, unscathed, destroyed my helmet, boots, gloves, suit were secondhand but good enough for practice and the second race the following day.
@@alixvandurand out of curiosity, how do you know when to poke your head back up after the long acceleration zones? is it just when you feel the rider start to decelerate or is it just based on “fuck this, i’m not letting this psycho go any faster”?
@@lowercase. haha I already had a good feel for the track from my earlier practices and races on the motorbike so I always knew generally where we were at any given point. But also the moment I feel he lets off, I lift my whole body and head up to assist with braking through drag of my own body, which also helps turn in because the wind resistance on me will steer us a slight bit towards the corner as well as my weight on the left tire as I'm already prepared to push out further for the actual corner.
Nicely done. Peter is an excellent pilot, I've shared the track with him. I was a F1 pro passenger for three seasons before stepping into the F1 cockpit for many years. The trick when it comes to passengering is 'less is more' and learning to lift up and 'float' in the transitions and let the vehicle move under you instead of crawling around :) Be careful, it's an addictive sport. Nothing like bending it into turn 8 at WIllow WFO in 6th and having the aero just stick all three massive slicks to the asphalt while your organic traction control system (or as I called it my R2 unit) fine tunes the chassis so it's balanced and sure-footed with the finesse of a Fantasia dancing hippo.
Peter Essaff is the one who I met at Barber during the Vintage Festival, and a week later ran into him on my way to registration at Daytona and he springs on me "you wanna take a ride?" with that cheeky lookin grin he's got. That's when he introduced me to Bill and the rest is history haha
I've ridden with him twice at Summit Point, but not in races. I'd totally do it again. I've also raced on two wheels at the IOM. Talk about having an appreciation for what it must be like doing the Mountain Course on a sidecar.
Those cones had better watch out when Bill is around lol. That looks like so much fun from here on my couch
Dude he hit like ten cones coming on/off the track. I was beginning to worry at some point xD
Viewer from the Uk, I love sidecars! I've been tempted so many times to do it. Being a sidecar passenger is not easy and doing it on the banking would need to be pretty damn fit, plus having balls made of titanium is recommended.
For you to even attempt this, you're a legend!!!
Oh man, thank you, and cheers neighbor across the pond! The banking was pretty wild, you do have to hold yourself up a bit if resting on left else you'll slide right out of the car, hence why I started resting right then transitioning after bank coming onto tri-oval (in this video I hadn't started doing it yet thus I wasn't resting and also fighting a nasty cramp the whole time too). You gotta try it! Definitely shit-your-pants scary but totally worth it. I got pretty nice 360 footage of the races coming, would love for you to see it!
@alixvandurand I would love to see the 360 video!!! Keep it up!
soo sic! well done! 🤩
Man i wish you had taken your racebox with you!
So awesome!
That looks so fun how do I get into that!
Where are you located? The group I met and who you see in this video travel all about the US and even to Europe sometimes. They constantly need a passenger when someone can't make it so I could get you in contact with someone if you're interested.
@@alixvandurand I live about 2 hours from Daytona. They got a website?
@@oGxSmokezZI know several of them live in Florida actually. I'm not sure if they got a website but they do have a Facebook group called US Sidecar Racing Association. You'll definitely find the right hook up on there!
balls of steel, whats the top speed bro ? awesome vid !
@@gutsandglory1934 We're hitting about 150mph coming off the back bank into the tri-oval. When you're tucked in those sections, you can sort of look behind (I do this a few times in the video), but you can't do it for long because the track disappearing so fast in reverse gives you a bad bit of vertigo! And thank you!
Fun isn't it? You did well
What camera did you use for this and can you show the placement of it?
Insta360 Go 3, it detaches from the pod where it's a tiny 1inx2in camera. I got the idea from someone on youtube who had a Scorpion helmet and he slid a magnet under the cheek pad which the camera snaps to but the way the cheek pads are in an Arai helmet that didn't work so I use the magnetic stem mount it comes with. I shaved down the stem part with an angle grinder to make it a little slimmer and I simply slid it between the cheek pad and inner shell of helmet. It fits good and snug where I don't even notice it's there and I can shake and bang my helmet about and it doesn't move a bit.
Not dissing side cars but it looks like more fun to be in the sidecar vs driving. He barely looks like he is moving. It looks very uncomfortable for both people.
I wish so bad I put the racebox on for the races but there was no time, for sure will in the future. The G's are so intense, it's way worse than it looks lol And it's very uncomfortable. I was fighting cramps the whole time and my hands and left shoulder were getting absolutely battered from holding on and braking. My butt was sore too from sitting on the edge on left turns. It's utterly insane, especially at Daytona. We were hitting speeds of about 150mph on the banks and tri-oval. The one I was riding was a ZX-10R engine so the thing was a monster.
@@alixvandurand ur crazy dude!!
As far as comfort - As the Driver - On the Becker, ART, LCR, style F1 chassis the carbon/kevlar cockpits are fit to the bodyshell and tailored to the dimensions of the driver (arm, torso, leg length) the knee runners are padded, the chest rest is padded (used as a brace for braking), there are places to rest your forearms inside the cockpit so you can stay light on the controls even at maximum braking. You don't get beat up or cramp up in a fitted cockpit.
I 'passengered' for 3 seasons, it takes about six full race weekends and a couple trackdays to figure out the magic technique and 'flow' on the back of a F1 chassis. If you're climbing all over it and exerting yourself, coming back to the pits beat to crap covered in bruises and exhausted it means you're fighting the chassis, less is more. The trick is to let your mass and linear momentum 'float' you where you need to be by carefully timing your movements to be as smooth as butter. It's Tai Chi, on the outside of a moving vehicle, on a race track, at triple digit speeds, with no safety net... and it's the coolest feeling in the world when you get it just right.
Nobody figures it out their first day, let alone in one session.
Driving is the really fun part - With a good teammate on board who can really hold it down for you an F1 sidecar will accelerate like you've been shot out of a cannon, they will hold a drift on the power to the left and to the right at angle that would make a Drift Masters Champion blush, they can pull lateral G's that some open wheel cars wish they could, the brakes are just insane, you can carry brake markers so deep into a corner, brake so hard, and then turn in at such a high rate of speed and stick thanks to the contact patches, aero, and an actively tuned chassis that all it makes you want to do is keep trying to go around the corner that much more faster, because there doesn't feel like there's a limit. Took me a season to wrap my head around the speed. You can cut corners when you learn to fly the chair. As in you can literally pop the sidecar off the ground, drive the chassis on two wheels on the inside curbs of a corner to take a faster line flying the chair/wheel and passenger over the grass/dirt to gain an advantage. It's so hard to describe, I've raced motorcycles and these are just in a whole different universe of speed and ability. I own a FD Pro/AM Comp drift car now, and I still think my F1 sidecar racing years were more fun.
Ok I have like 3 things to say/ask...First of all, Isle of Man footage is the only other place I've ever seen sidecars race, and somehow I never noticed how wide and flat the rear tire is until just now. 2...People always give you shit about your heart rate but I'd have been at redline waiting to get on track, so...kudos? 3...the only other place I've seen a cheekpiece cam that wasn't absolute potato quality is F1, so spill
I thought the same thing until I saw the Sidecars race with AHRMA at the Barber Vintage Festival in Alabama. They've raced with AMA and MotoAmerica in the past, but no longer due to them stealing too much of the limelight apparently, attention is diverted when these things show up xD But they go all over America and UK, but it's a small group of people so they're just trying to bring more fans and get new riders/passengers interested in it to keep it alive. As for heartrate, I've accepted that I'm part hummingbird. MotoGP did a study with different riders, there was a huge difference in average/peak rates. Like 130 for the lowest to well over 200 so I think it's more just person by person. Some people have higher rates and it's normal for them. Every time I've had bloodwork done, they've always told me my heart is healthy so idk? I feel great after I ride, like I just did a typical workout. Lastly, my helmet cam is an Insta360 Go 3. Amazing little thing, but the battery life is only good for about 30-35 minutes when separated from its pod.
Appreciate 🌎 Time with you guyz .Hopefully i get a chance.
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If your heart rate was really that high then that could be dangerous