Kevin and George please pray for Tommy. He is having Bible studies whilst in prison. He said he’s enjoying it. He’s a good man and would make a great Christian.
Tommy Robinson is presented as public enemy number one in UK . We recently listened to Jordan Peterson interview of Tommy Robinson from August 2024 and it’s made me think again.
So much of what you tell us on Anglican Unscripted we just don't hear in this country. Painful as it is, you have opened my eyes on more than one occasion so thank you. As for what is happening in the C of E, I have wept when praying about it. And if it breaks my heart, what does it do to God's heart? People gave their lives so that we could read the Word of God. I am blessed to be in a C of E church where the whole ministry team believes and preaches the Word and guess what... we are GROWING!
Pamela, you, as many of us, may have much to be grateful for what we have received from the Church of England in the past. I suggest that you step back and take a good look at what the Church of England has been teaching lately, especially in regard to moral conduct, e.g. marriage and homosexual conduct. Is it based on scripture? Really? Your parish may not be affected. If not, take a look at the rest of the Church of England. There is a growth of GAFCON related parishes in the U.K., e.g. Anglican Mission in England. They are solidly Anglican. The reason for their growth has much to do with what many view as an abandonment of traditional biblical moral in the Church of England. Which would you rather support? 🙂
Tommy Robinson isn't perfect - who is? - but there are number of perfectly reasonable people here in the UK who feel that his voice needs to be heard; too many people are afraid to say what they really think about Muslim immigration. It would help if our bishops put Christ first and preached on John 14:6.
It is my impression that Islam operates or thrives on fear. I suggest people to reference what Gavin Ashenden has written or said on Islam in Anglican Ink, Anglican Unscripted, or Catholic Unscripted. 🤔
English Christian here…….. I believe in the Apostles, and other Christian creeds…… and the holy catholic (small c )church. We are all supposed to be the “bride”!! Problem? There are too many heretical career “Christians” in high places….. and don’t get me started on the subject of “short sighted egotistical Politicians”. You Two are a breath of fresh air!! Please keep up the good work
About the age of consent in the UK: it's been illegal for a man to have sex with a girl under the age of 16 for the whole of my life, and I'm in my 60s. Some teenage victims said the police told their parents it was a "lifestyle choice" in the same way taking drugs was seen as a lifestyle choice, but Gordon Brown as prime minister would never have said that. What he is reported to have said is that the ethnicity of the abusers should not be publicised so as not to whip up racial hatred in the country. Still totally wrong IMO, but he would never have said that young children must be presumed to have consented - that's totally against the law.
Regardless of denomination or geographical location, a church in which clerical abuse has occurred will be concerned about legal liability. What some will do to protect themselves or to distance themselves! However, careful discernment should be exercised to separate those who may have had knowledge from those who had no knowledge of what had been occurring.
In reply to Kevin's invitation to say what the next AOC should be like- perhaps he should be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, apt to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money, must rule his own household well, keeping his children (if he has any at home) submissive with all dignity, must not be a recent convert, must be well thought of by outsiders and must not all into disgrace. Perhaps he should also be a good sound Protestant with very good theological education.😀
1Tim 3.2-7: "Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperature, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher, no drunkard, not violent but, gentle, not quarrelsome, and no lover of money. He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way; for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil; moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders, or he may fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."
@@royquick-s5n Yes. I'm not sure that "bishop" is a good translation but the exhortation of Paul no doubt applies to both priests and bishops as we know them in Anglicanism.
@@davidmorrison2739 In my Greek New Testament, verse 3.2, where Paul identifies whom he is addressing, the Greek word "episkopon" appears, which means bishop, which, as you know, others have translated overseer. 🙂
Great episode, thanks guys. You can tell that Welby's 'pious' appearance of laying his crozier on the altar was carefully crafted by the 'invisible' photographer. It is nauseating. Regarding Cottrell - you are right, he is 'thugish'. I often recall that display of his true colours at General Synod when he openly and publicly insulted a lay member (who was it?) that had questioned LLF and Cottrell told him to go away and read a certain book - 'it's called the New Testament', much to the amusement and laughter of other liberals. Regarding grooming gangs, a local conservative MP has been pushing for an enquiry into grooming gangs in a local town but is always refused by the Labour council. I feel sure it is still a problem and prevalent. Of course, the reality of the raping grooming gangs goes against all the dreams of the left and their efforts to create a diverse, multi-cultural, anti-white society. Now, Tommy Robinson is a right-wing working-class activist and gaining a lot of support from the white working class - especially in the Northern towns and cities of England where grooming gangs and high levels immigration have taken place. He is therefore hated by the left and obviously branded a Nazi - often by those people who hate Jewish people more than anyone else.
The next Archbishop of Canterbury must believe in the teaching of the Bible: "He must hold firm to the sure word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to confute those who contradict it" (Titus 1 v 9). I do not see any senior bishop in the current Church of England who meets this requirement. The Crown Nominations Commission must look to the wider Anglican Communion. The day has come when those to whom the Word was sent in past centuries come here to rescue the "mother church". Humanly speaking, the task of rescue will be too great, but with God... nothing is impossible!
The day has come when those to whom the Word was sent in past centuries has arrived to rescue the "mother church"! Before your eyes are the GAFCON related bodies, i.e. the Anglican Mission in England and the Anglican Church Network in Europe. I understand parishes are popping up throughout the realm. The Crown Nominations Commission, with its connection to the state, i.e. to government, has no say about it. Do you want to be a member of a church controlled by the government, in whatever degree? A church that shapes morality based on scripture to conform to secular law? We complain when it occurs in Communist countries, oblivious to its happening in our freedom loving countries.
Is or has the Archbishop of Canterbury been an Anglican pope? It would seem that an Archbishop of Canterbury should be representative of and responsible to the geographic boundaries of the see of Canterbury in England. Ideally the Archbishop should be elected by the bishops within the see's boundaries without any government involvement, which seems to be wishful thinking on top of it. However, any replacement of an Archbishop of Canterbury is to no avail if the archbishop and Church of England persist in the abandonment of traditional biblical moral, which has alienated the Church of England from more Anglicans worldwide than not. There is a representative of Anglicans worldwide, the chairman of GAFCON, chosen by primates. The Anglican Mission in England and the Anglican Network in Europe, arms of GAFCON, are attempting to rescue "mother church." 🙂
My ancestor's were members of the Manchester Anglican Cathedral under Canon Cecil Wray and he celebrated most of our Eucharist liturgy for our family in the 1800's.
John Porfumo humbled himself by cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall before moving on to raising money for them, for which he was exceptionally well-suited and in which role he was very successful. It'd be great to see the same redemption in Justin Welby, but I don't expect it.
Where in Holy Scriptures is it stated that kings should have any input into who should be a bishop? It is my understanding in the early Church bishops were first elected by laity and clergy to position.
You asked what my view is for the next Archbishop of Canterbury. First I think the C of E has got to move out of control by the State, Parliament & The Crown., it should be based solely as a Christian Church to promote Christian belief & to educate the population in the love of Our Lord. It should be led by truly dedicated & devout Priests who conform to the law of Holy Scripture. It’s Bishops should be selected from those Priests who will be male as required by Holy Scripture & from their number the Archbishops are appointed by election by those Bishops & Learned Priests to take in such Divine responsibility. As for its leadership in the wider Anglican Communion that should be by joint decision of all the Union not just the C of E. It should be the World Anglican Communion. I have the privilege of spending my time both in England and also in Sarawak Borneo in East Malaysia where I attend the Cathedral in Kuching. I know the Bishop there well and know of his totally devout belief in the Christian Community beyond the shores of his Diocese. If Christianity is to mean anything to the people of the World it must demonstrate Faith & Belief in the love of Our Blessed Lord no matter where we live or what the colour of our skin is or how rich or poor we are. We must be together & demonstrate the truth of our faith in all we do. That can’t be the prerogative of anyone other than the ordained Apostolic earthly representative of the Risen Lord. We must get back to the roots of our faith & thank God for our being.🙏🙏🙏
Where is it required by Holy Scripture that priests be male to the exclusion of women? It may be assumed that candidates would be men at the time, but to read in exclusion of women would be an interpolation. We know that women as well as men were deacons. Some independent research purports to show an isolated case or two where women filled the role of "elder." 🤔
@@royquick-s5n In the New Testament there are 20 named apostles - the 12 and 8 others, all men: Mattias; Paul; Apollos; Epaphroditus; James, the Lord’s brother; Barnabas; Titus; Timothy. Several women had significant, notable roles in the NT Church as deaconesses, prophetesses, benefactors, and hostesses, and Paul valued women highly as co-workers - but when qualifications for pastors/presbyters are given in the NT, they are always for men. When writing specifically about leading orderly worship, St Paul stated that he would “not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man” (1 Tim 2:12). He grounded his prohibition in the Order of Creation, suggesting it had universal application: “Adam was formed first, then Eve” to be his ‘helper’ (1 Tim 2:13; cf. Gen 2:18). The apostle then considered the Fall: ‘Adam was not deceived, the woman was deceived and became a transgressor’ (1 Tim 2:14). That is, the woman was deceived into taking the lead role, contravening the God-given order. We should take care to avoid violating the God-given order, and repent where we already have.
Happy New Year Kevin and George, thank you for all your diligent work. The LORD Bless you. I Live in Scotland so the Episcopal Church has been long gone, I am a homeless Anglican. Tommy Robinson has been made a patsy by the woke Government/Police/Judiciary in the United Kingdom, check out his two interviews with Jordan Peterson and watch his movie "Silenced."
That's not true about Gaza. There has been consistent support for Hamas - about two thirds to one third - who support Hamas, whether it was when they were democratically elected years ago or the support for Hamas over Oct 7.
I pray that the next ABC is a Christian in more than name, if he is, then whether he leads the Anglican Communion or the Province of Canterbury or even just the Diocese of Canterbury, then there will be hope that God will restore the Church, if he is only a nominal, politically correct Christian, God have mercy on us all.
Does the restoration of which you speak include restoration of traditional biblical moral applying to marriage and to homosexual conduct? If not, any replacement of an Archbishop of Canterbury, it would seem, will change little with the larger number of Anglicans worldwide. 🤔
...well maybe not that far eh? How about the Oxford Movement & not so much the Articles. The Church of Ireland had an interesting take of them becoming "...historical documents".
@@marmeemarch7080 Ah yes! International cricket matches are called "Tests" and a series of matches between Australia and India has just concluded in Australia. Matches are allocated five days and sometimes take that long. Watching the cricket, in person or live on television, especially in our summer between Boxing Day and early into the New Year (two matches), is almost as important as apple pie is reputed to be for Americans. George and Kevin come a close second in viewing pleasure.
@davidmorrison2739 "Mom, the flag, and apple pie" is how the saying goes. Thank you! It sounds pretty important for Aussies! I'd love to someday see a cricket match, but only with a delightful picnic and beautiful weather and entertaining company.
Andrew Graystone is recommending Revd. Martin Gordon, Bishop of Goma, as next AoC {source BBC 'Sunday' programme Jan5th discussion from about 37mins on)
The next Archbishop cannot be the supremo of world Anglicanism. He should be someone who will stick to the Bible and be able to pastor the CofE through this disaster.
@@marcokite It is the old who came first chicken or the egg argument. The biblical canon is set by tradition, but the revelation of God, the word of God, contained within it comes from God. Tradition, in that case, may be viewed as recognition of that revelation, which, as you know, has not been uniform, i.e. the Septuagint versus the Masoretic Text.
Is the Archbishop of Canterbury chief spokesman for Anglicans worldwide today? It would seem his past position has been usurped by the Chairman of GAFCON, with which more Anglicans in the world are aligned than not. It may be asked how any occupant of the See of Canterbury may prioritize the Bible when he (or she) is beholden to the agency of the "state" that has placed him (or her) in that position. 🤔
How is it that the Archbishop of Canterbury gets "enthroned" and lives in a palace? Luke 9:58: And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”
Also, Heather, an archbishop is a bishop by ordination. No one is ordained an archbishop. No one is ordained a pope, for that matter. Archbishop, metropolitan, patriarch, and pope are ecclesiastical, administrative, titles. However, during the Middle Ages some bishops acquired the status of nobility. Some were, in fact, nobility. English bishops are in the House of Lords. Outside of the U.K., Anglican bishops tend to follow the N.T. model of a bishop and are elected by the laity and clergy of a diocese as they first were in the early Church. Archbishops are primus inter pares, first among equals. But in the long run, they should be measured by Jesus' words, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise leadership over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you; rather let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves." (Lk 22.25-26) 🙂
Bishops and priests are NOT the Son of God and have...a different ministry. Bishops have for 2,000 years lived in homes. Many of course suffered violence and death for the Faith. They didn't all have it cushy. There is nothing in Scripture or Tradition that says bishops have to be homeless. Enthronement is not meant to indicate earthly pomp or power but the Spiritual importance of the office.
@@marcokite Who is saying bishops have to be homeless? Some have said, as your Orthodox affiliation, that bishops need to be celibate, which has not always been the case nor found in scripture. Some bishops have lived in plush quarters in comparison to the mass of laity and clergy. Some have been nobility through time. Nowhere, though, will you find in the N.T. bishops sitting in a House of Lords nor being "enthroned." It brings to mind, when commenting on John the Baptist, Jesus' saying, "Why then did you go out? To see a man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, those who wear soft raiment are in kings' houses," Mt 11.8, and Jesus' telling the Apostles, " You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. It shall not be so among you; but whoever would be first among you must be your servant . . .," Mt 20.25-26. 🤔
Kevin the US have the colony of Puerto Rico. Nigeria did go to far, they decided to drive on the right after independence. Yaxley-Lennon was rightly jailed for egregious and continued contempt of court not for speech crime.
Was not the contempt of court refusal to desist in speaking out in regard to his exposure of and opposition to egregious Muslim activities? If it were, it would seem the actions of the courts might be perceived as attempts to silence Yaxley-Lennon. Too, how would you explain his transfer to Olney prison?🤔
@@royquick-s5n It was specifically to do with continually repeating the libel in the case that he lost. There was a clear injunction on him not to do so and he admitted in court that he had 10 times. He was jailed for deliberate breaches of said court order nothing to do with political speech.
@@lancersharpeWhat was the repeated libel? Nothing to do with political speech? It would seem a court in agreement with a prevailing political party platform would not be entirely removed from what that party considers libelous. Too, what was written may not have been immoral although illegal. On one occasion Robinson claimed that he had been duped. How many times do people act on misinformation? Rbinson may have believed what the court treated to be libelous to be still true. Let what let the repeated libel be evaluated by a moral criteria. 🤔
@@lancersharpe What was the repeated libel? "Nothing to do with political speech"? A court may not be entirely removed from what a prevailing political party considers to be libelous. An accused may still believe what other people, including a court, assert not to be the truth to be the truth. Does a court decide what is truth morally? On one occasion Robinson admitted that he had been duped. How many times do people act on misinformation? The Robinson issue may be examined by moral criteria as well as legal.
It may refer to one of two things or both. One is that Brits voted upon themselves a Labour government similar to Yanks having voted in a Democratic administration, abruptly ended in a recent election. Another is the moral decline of the Episcopal Church, countered by the rise of the Anglican Church in North America and similar bodies in other denominations suffering the same malady as the Episcopal Church.
There is the Chairman of GAFCON, if you look hard enough. It would seem that an Archbishop of Canterbury should be elected , at least, by the bishops of the province that he represents, not by the pope, not by the government. I suppose that it may be argued that in less pluralistic times the government represented the laity and clergy, but those days seem to have disappeared. 🤔
Unrelated, but I have an ACNA question: I was chatting to a friend who is a priest from the global south, and he told me that currently, in the ACNA, diocese can licence women, but there is an active moratorium on ordaining women as priests. Is that true?
Your stuff on UK and what the Archbishop Rowan Williams needs you to consult Jonathan Chaplin's book Faith in Democracy Framing a Politics of Deep Diversity SCM Press· 2021. At this point four years on, it must be rather frustrating and disappointing for Jonathan that his suggestions have not been seriously considered particularly by his fellow Anglicans?
Next Archbishop needs to be God fearing, who not only believes in Scripture but will uphold Scripture. And will not be willing to jump onto the latest bandwagon / fad. Joshua said "For me and my house will serve the Lord"
@@marcokite You are repeating yourself here. Again, marcokite, biblical canon may be established by tradition, but scripture contains what God has revealed of himself. Tradition may be viewed, in that case, recognition of that revelation. Perhaps you should identify your church affiliation. Not an Orthodox trying to proselytize Anglicans? (The last time that I asked, you did not reply to which one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches you belong. There are some denominations with "Orthodox" in their title in the World Almanac which have dubious connection to the historic Eastern Orthodox Churches.) 🙂
You certainly do not want to be voicing support for Tommy Robinson, and there is not the remotest prospect of him achieving political power. (George’s question in that regard shows a lack of feel for UK politics , which I’m afraid runs through much of your political comment regarding Britain.) Apart from a small group who have more in common with football hooligans than anything else, he has no support. And politicians of the right, including those well aware of societal problems relating to immigration and Islam, are careful to distance themselves from him. Also, he is not a free-speech martyr: he was imprisoned for contempt of court (deliberate disobedience to court orders) - something that other people who speak out on these issues would not and do not do.
It would not have anything to do with having been ordered by the court not to speak out, would it? I am hearing reports of free speech being silenced and penalized in England.
@ Maybe you are, but I suspect they’re as skewed as those of Kevin and George. Mr Robinson was not ordered “not to speak out”. He was subject of an injunction made on longstanding and well-established principles. Mr Robinson made public defamatory allegations about a Syrian refugee. The man, who was attacked as a result of what Mr Robinson was publishing, sued for defamation. Mr Robinson defended the claim on the grounds that the allegations were true (one of a number of available defences). At trial it was found that the allegations were false. Mr Robinson was ordered not to repeat the allegations. This is the way the law in England has always worked. (I don’t know if the law of defamation elsewhere is different.) It has nothing to do with some insidious erosion of free speech. Mr Robinson then deliberately and repeatedly disobeyed the injunction by repeating the allegations. He admitted contempt of court and was very properly punished for it. The rule of law cannot operate if people pick and choose which court orders to obey. There are indeed some problems in the UK (for example, proposals to criminalise “Islamophobia”). But Mr Robinson is just a rabble-rouser.
@@RB-tc3tw What may be defamatory allegations by civil law, especially under leftist administration, may not be defamatory under conservative administration. Also, what may be illegal may be moral, and what may be immoral may be legal. The "state" does not define my morals, especially morals based on scripture. I have been reading and hearing of suppression of popular protests against Islamic activity under a Labour government in the U.K. in Anglican Unscripted and Catholic Unscripted, religious sources which I have no reason to doubt. I have reason to doubt anyone who may support the Labour government. However, I am not making any armchair conclusions about the Robinson case but being careful how to receive reports of it. 🙂
Rob-tc3tw, I am flabbergasted at your comment about Tommy. I am a 65 yo Black British and fully support Tommy. I attended his last demonstration and that was attended by about 100,000 people of all colours and races. Tommy does not want any political power but he is immensely influential amongst the British working class. We love Tommy because he’s honest, he’s got integrity and he’s not a coward. He wants Britain to be ruled by British law and not by Islamic principles.
Too much bemoaning what Welby did. Yes, thought ought to be directed to what happens post-Welby. I do not think any church over which a government has decisive power in choice of bishops should have leadership over Anglicans worldwide. It seems GAFCON provides viable alternative--primates choosing from among them who should lead, and note, for a term. I think people are distracted by the historic role of the See of Canterbury in times past. And, really, what has counted has been the occupant of that see, not the see itself. 🤔
@@marcokite What is to be done about it? The real truth is Welby is not alone. It is as though he were being made a scapegoat, a distraction, for the collective abandonment of traditional biblical moral. Is there a collective admission that the abandonment has been in error? What is to be done about that? 🤔
It depends on the interpretation that you are giving to first, if you are referring to primus inter pares. For example, in the ACNA, the bishops choose an archbishop, and for a limited term. In GAFCON, the primates choose a chairman. If you are referring to the office of bishop, consider that bishop is not just an administrative position. A bishop has a sacramental role, i.e. ordination and, among Anglicans, confirmation. The offices (or ministries) of deacon, priest (presbyter), and bishop are mentioned in Holy Scripture. Church Fathers treated bishops as successors of the apostles. They would draw lines of connection to the apostles to establish orthodoxy or distinction from the heretical. 🤔
@royquick-s5n I'm definitely in favor of Bishops, I think my issue is with a worldwide leader of Bishops, that's pretty close to Papacy. I also don't think the Royal Family should be involved, anymore, for a worldwide Communion. Those weren't ridiculous ideas hundreds of years ago, but they're antiquated now, especially as the Church grows in non-Commonwealth countries.
Jimmy Carter carried out a campaign promise to respect human rights. He may have upset the Washington establishment, especially Republicans, e.g. Ronald Reagan, for emphasing human rights in foreign policy. I wonder how many Catholics would concur with your assertion that Carter was "anti-Catholic." Carter was awarded the Nobel Peace prize in 2002.
@royquick-s5n I voted for him. He definitely had a public image as you relate. He was very critical of Catholic positions on life and women in the ministry. I eventually wrote him off as just another progressive.
Technically correct but he was disproportionately and unfairly sentenced. He is a political prisoner whose life is in danger from the Islamic gangs running the wings there.
Kevin and George please pray for Tommy. He is having Bible studies whilst in prison. He said he’s enjoying it. He’s a good man and would make a great Christian.
He is Jewish as of now.
There is wilful naivety in the UK about Islam.
I AM A CATHOLIC FROM FLORIDA WHO WATCHES YOUR PROGRAM AS WELL AS GAVIN 'D CATHOLIC UNSCRIPTED. GOOD PROGRAMS.
Tommy Robinson is presented as public enemy number one in UK . We recently listened to Jordan Peterson interview of Tommy Robinson from August 2024 and it’s made me think again.
Not anglican here, but live in UK. Next archbishop of canterbury should simply be a holy man.
That does not fit in with the agenda to self-sabotage the C of E, so that people leave.
Suffering AU withdrawal symptoms. Happy New Year to Kevin, George and listeners
Happy Epiphany Nick
Thank you, be the light of Messiah
Thank you for your piece on Islamic atrocities in Britain. The de-colonisation of this country needs to be put into reverse.
The rest of the world needs to wake up to the extent of what 'Islamic' means. Chris x
So much of what you tell us on Anglican Unscripted we just don't hear in this country. Painful as it is, you have opened my eyes on more than one occasion so thank you. As for what is happening in the C of E, I have wept when praying about it. And if it breaks my heart, what does it do to God's heart? People gave their lives so that we could read the Word of God. I am blessed to be in a C of E church where the whole ministry team believes and preaches the Word and guess what... we are GROWING!
Pamela, you, as many of us, may have much to be grateful for what we have received from the Church of England in the past. I suggest that you step back and take a good look at what the Church of England has been teaching lately, especially in regard to moral conduct, e.g. marriage and homosexual conduct. Is it based on scripture? Really? Your parish may not be affected. If not, take a look at the rest of the Church of England. There is a growth of GAFCON related parishes in the U.K., e.g. Anglican Mission in England. They are solidly Anglican. The reason for their growth has much to do with what many view as an abandonment of traditional biblical moral in the Church of England. Which would you rather support? 🙂
Tommy Robinson isn't perfect - who is? - but there are number of perfectly reasonable people here in the UK who feel that his voice needs to be heard; too many people are afraid to say what they really think about Muslim immigration. It would help if our bishops put Christ first and preached on John 14:6.
It is my impression that Islam operates or thrives on fear. I suggest people to reference what Gavin Ashenden has written or said on Islam in Anglican Ink, Anglican Unscripted, or Catholic Unscripted. 🤔
Thanks for sharing about the Muslim and tensions about the things done to young girls. UK is in serious trouble spiritually.
English Christian here…….. I believe in the Apostles, and other Christian creeds…… and the holy catholic (small c )church. We are all supposed to be the “bride”!! Problem? There are too many heretical career “Christians” in high places….. and don’t get me started on the subject of “short sighted egotistical Politicians”. You Two are a breath of fresh air!! Please keep up the good work
About the age of consent in the UK: it's been illegal for a man to have sex with a girl under the age of 16 for the whole of my life, and I'm in my 60s. Some teenage victims said the police told their parents it was a "lifestyle choice" in the same way taking drugs was seen as a lifestyle choice, but Gordon Brown as prime minister would never have said that. What he is reported to have said is that the ethnicity of the abusers should not be publicised so as not to whip up racial hatred in the country. Still totally wrong IMO, but he would never have said that young children must be presumed to have consented - that's totally against the law.
Fr. George, for a second, I thought you meant ending up in *Lake* Okeechobee! 😅
Another great show. Guys, things were different when most people - whether in England or in the USA or here in Australia - were in church on Sunday.
Church of England does not care and will do NOTHING for the abuse victims.
The leadership and the establishment do not care. I think many at congregational level do.
Regardless of denomination or geographical location, a church in which clerical abuse has occurred will be concerned about legal liability. What some will do to protect themselves or to distance themselves! However, careful discernment should be exercised to separate those who may have had knowledge from those who had no knowledge of what had been occurring.
In reply to Kevin's invitation to say what the next AOC should be like- perhaps he should be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, apt to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money, must rule his own household well, keeping his children (if he has any at home) submissive with all dignity, must not be a recent convert, must be well thought of by outsiders and must not all into disgrace. Perhaps he should also be a good sound Protestant with very good theological education.😀
1Tim 3.2-7: "Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperature, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher, no drunkard, not violent but, gentle, not quarrelsome, and no lover of money. He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way; for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil; moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders, or he may fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."
@@royquick-s5n Yes. I'm not sure that "bishop" is a good translation but the exhortation of Paul no doubt applies to both priests and bishops as we know them in Anglicanism.
@@davidmorrison2739 In my Greek New Testament, verse 3.2, where Paul identifies whom he is addressing, the Greek word "episkopon" appears, which means bishop, which, as you know, others have translated overseer. 🙂
Great episode, thanks guys. You can tell that Welby's 'pious' appearance of laying his crozier on the altar was carefully crafted by the 'invisible' photographer. It is nauseating. Regarding Cottrell - you are right, he is 'thugish'. I often recall that display of his true colours at General Synod when he openly and publicly insulted a lay member (who was it?) that had questioned LLF and Cottrell told him to go away and read a certain book - 'it's called the New Testament', much to the amusement and laughter of other liberals. Regarding grooming gangs, a local conservative MP has been pushing for an enquiry into grooming gangs in a local town but is always refused by the Labour council. I feel sure it is still a problem and prevalent. Of course, the reality of the raping grooming gangs goes against all the dreams of the left and their efforts to create a diverse, multi-cultural, anti-white society. Now, Tommy Robinson is a right-wing working-class activist and gaining a lot of support from the white working class - especially in the Northern towns and cities of England where grooming gangs and high levels immigration have taken place. He is therefore hated by the left and obviously branded a Nazi - often by those people who hate Jewish people more than anyone else.
The next Archbishop of Canterbury must believe in the teaching of the Bible: "He must hold firm to the sure word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to confute those who contradict it" (Titus 1 v 9). I do not see any senior bishop in the current Church of England who meets this requirement. The Crown Nominations Commission must look to the wider Anglican Communion. The day has come when those to whom the Word was sent in past centuries come here to rescue the "mother church". Humanly speaking, the task of rescue will be too great, but with God... nothing is impossible!
The day has come when those to whom the Word was sent in past centuries has arrived to rescue the "mother church"! Before your eyes are the GAFCON related bodies, i.e. the Anglican Mission in England and the Anglican Church Network in Europe. I understand parishes are popping up throughout the realm. The Crown Nominations Commission, with its connection to the state, i.e. to government, has no say about it. Do you want to be a member of a church controlled by the government, in whatever degree? A church that shapes morality based on scripture to conform to secular law? We complain when it occurs in Communist countries, oblivious to its happening in our freedom loving countries.
Is or has the Archbishop of Canterbury been an Anglican pope? It would seem that an Archbishop of Canterbury should be representative of and responsible to the geographic boundaries of the see of Canterbury in England. Ideally the Archbishop should be elected by the bishops within the see's boundaries without any government involvement, which seems to be wishful thinking on top of it. However, any replacement of an Archbishop of Canterbury is to no avail if the archbishop and Church of England persist in the abandonment of traditional biblical moral, which has alienated the Church of England from more Anglicans worldwide than not. There is a representative of Anglicans worldwide, the chairman of GAFCON, chosen by primates. The Anglican Mission in England and the Anglican Network in Europe, arms of GAFCON, are attempting to rescue "mother church." 🙂
Parliament just voted against holding an enquiry into the grooming gangs 😱😭
I was born and raised in SoMD, now living and pastoring right outside Annapolis. Happy shoveling! 😅
Speak the truth and shame the devil! Thank you for speaking the truth. God send us holy and tough leaders to heal our nations of the Western world.
Praying for Holy and Wise Leaders in the Anglican and Catholic Church.
We already have them in the Orthodox Church ☦☦☦
Thanks gentlemen. I keep coming back to over the years.
My ancestor's were members of the Manchester Anglican Cathedral under Canon Cecil Wray and he celebrated most of our Eucharist liturgy for our family in the 1800's.
We like it when you speak about us across the pond. You’re generally spot on! We live in the famous Potteries in central England.
God bless you.
Spot on BW.
John Porfumo humbled himself by cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall before moving on to raising money for them, for which he was exceptionally well-suited and in which role he was very successful. It'd be great to see the same redemption in Justin Welby, but I don't expect it.
John Profumo towards the end of his life was invited by Queen Elizabeth the Second to sit beside her at a civic reception in the City of London.
The King has final input into who the AofC will be.and that presses the questions about what his theological depth is.
Where in Holy Scriptures is it stated that kings should have any input into who should be a bishop? It is my understanding in the early Church bishops were first elected by laity and clergy to position.
what's next for holding Welby accountable?????? and why isn't Britain calling him out?
I met Jimmy Carter in 1976. I doubt if either of the two gentlemen here met him. I know him to be a good Christian.
Up until he threw in his lot with the lgbt revisionists. Then he left the theology of Christianity.
love you two guys1
I am hoping for honesty, service and loyalty to people and consistency.
You should watch Jordan Petersen's two interviews with Tommy Robinson if you want an in depth understanding of the man.
Excellent interviews
Do read my piece on Welby in Anglican Ink if you have not already.
One thing that Jimmy Carter did well was deregulating transportation, especially the railroads. This act saved them.
Thank you , God bless you.
In Britain it is illegal to have sex with a minor ie someone under the age of 16
You asked what my view is for the next Archbishop of Canterbury. First I think the C of E has got to move out of control by the State, Parliament & The Crown., it should be based solely as a Christian Church to promote Christian belief & to educate the population in the love of Our Lord. It should be led by truly dedicated & devout Priests who conform to the law of Holy Scripture. It’s Bishops should be selected from those Priests who will be male as required by Holy Scripture & from their number the Archbishops are appointed by election by those Bishops & Learned Priests to take in such Divine responsibility. As for its leadership in the wider Anglican Communion that should be by joint decision of all the Union not just the C of E. It should be the World Anglican Communion. I have the privilege of spending my time both in England and also in Sarawak Borneo in East Malaysia where I attend the Cathedral in Kuching. I know the Bishop there well and know of his totally devout belief in the Christian Community beyond the shores of his Diocese. If Christianity is to mean anything to the people of the World it must demonstrate Faith & Belief in the love of Our Blessed Lord no matter where we live or what the colour of our skin is or how rich or poor we are. We must be together & demonstrate the truth of our faith in all we do. That can’t be the prerogative of anyone other than the ordained Apostolic earthly representative of the Risen Lord. We must get back to the roots of our faith & thank God for our being.🙏🙏🙏
Well stated
Where is it required by Holy Scripture that priests be male to the exclusion of women? It may be assumed that candidates would be men at the time, but to read in exclusion of women would be an interpolation. We know that women as well as men were deacons. Some independent research purports to show an isolated case or two where women filled the role of "elder." 🤔
@@royquick-s5n In the New Testament there are 20 named apostles - the 12 and 8 others, all men: Mattias; Paul; Apollos; Epaphroditus; James, the Lord’s brother; Barnabas; Titus; Timothy. Several women had significant, notable roles in the NT Church as deaconesses, prophetesses, benefactors, and hostesses, and Paul valued women highly as co-workers - but when qualifications for pastors/presbyters are given in the NT, they are always for men.
When writing specifically about leading orderly worship, St Paul stated that he would “not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man” (1 Tim 2:12). He grounded his prohibition in the Order of Creation, suggesting it had universal application: “Adam was formed first, then Eve” to be his ‘helper’ (1 Tim 2:13; cf. Gen 2:18). The apostle then considered the Fall: ‘Adam was not deceived, the woman was deceived and became a transgressor’ (1 Tim 2:14). That is, the woman was deceived into taking the lead role, contravening the God-given order. We should take care to avoid violating the God-given order, and repent where we already have.
Happy New Year Kevin and George, thank you for all your diligent work. The LORD Bless you.
I Live in Scotland so the Episcopal Church has been long gone, I am a homeless Anglican.
Tommy Robinson has been made a patsy by the woke Government/Police/Judiciary in the United Kingdom, check out his two interviews with Jordan Peterson and watch his movie "Silenced."
That's not true about Gaza. There has been consistent support for Hamas - about two thirds to one third - who support Hamas, whether it was when they were democratically elected years ago or the support for Hamas over Oct 7.
Regarding Tommy Robinson, the vast majority of Brits believe the BBC. This probably explains the position Farage takes on him.
Is it too much to ask that the next ABC be a Christian?
I pray that the next ABC is a Christian in more than name, if he is, then whether he leads the Anglican Communion or the Province of Canterbury or even just the Diocese of Canterbury, then there will be hope that God will restore the Church, if he is only a nominal, politically correct Christian, God have mercy on us all.
Does the restoration of which you speak include restoration of traditional biblical moral applying to marriage and to homosexual conduct? If not, any replacement of an Archbishop of Canterbury, it would seem, will change little with the larger number of Anglicans worldwide. 🤔
Ah yes, whence shall we go, we olde time Anglo-Catholics?
Back to 1662 and the 39 Articles and then on from there.
...well maybe not that far eh? How about the Oxford Movement & not so much the Articles. The Church of Ireland had an interesting take of them becoming "...historical documents".
@@brjimbo1 They are historical documents. No argument there. So are the books in the OT and NT.
I believe the position of the C of I was the relevance of the Articles in the 21st century was as a museum piece.
@@brjimbo1 I realised that but I try not to get floored too easily!
Now that the Test cricket is over in Australia the gap can be filled by K and G.
Translation for the Americans, or at least this Midwestern one?
@@marmeemarch7080 Ah yes! International cricket matches are called "Tests" and a series of matches between Australia and India has just concluded in Australia. Matches are allocated five days and sometimes take that long. Watching the cricket, in person or live on television, especially in our summer between Boxing Day and early into the New Year (two matches), is almost as important as apple pie is reputed to be for Americans. George and Kevin come a close second in viewing pleasure.
@davidmorrison2739 "Mom, the flag, and apple pie" is how the saying goes. Thank you! It sounds pretty important for Aussies! I'd love to someday see a cricket match, but only with a delightful picnic and beautiful weather and entertaining company.
It was Justin’s birthday too, so one event could have been a party!lol
Andrew Graystone is recommending Revd. Martin Gordon, Bishop of Goma, as next AoC {source BBC 'Sunday' programme Jan5th discussion from about 37mins on)
The next Archbishop cannot be the supremo of world Anglicanism. He should be someone who will stick to the Bible and be able to pastor the CofE through this disaster.
You talk about the Bible but NOT Tradition, the Bible is PART of Tradition.
@@marcokite You could say that, but my belief is that the Bible is above tradition.
@@marcokite It is the old who came first chicken or the egg argument. The biblical canon is set by tradition, but the revelation of God, the word of God, contained within it comes from God. Tradition, in that case, may be viewed as recognition of that revelation, which, as you know, has not been uniform, i.e. the Septuagint versus the Masoretic Text.
Is the Archbishop of Canterbury chief spokesman for Anglicans worldwide today? It would seem his past position has been usurped by the Chairman of GAFCON, with which more Anglicans in the world are aligned than not. It may be asked how any occupant of the See of Canterbury may prioritize the Bible when he (or she) is beholden to the agency of the "state" that has placed him (or her) in that position. 🤔
How is it that the Archbishop of Canterbury gets "enthroned" and lives in a palace? Luke 9:58: And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”
Also, Heather, an archbishop is a bishop by ordination. No one is ordained an archbishop. No one is ordained a pope, for that matter. Archbishop, metropolitan, patriarch, and pope are ecclesiastical, administrative, titles. However, during the Middle Ages some bishops acquired the status of nobility. Some were, in fact, nobility. English bishops are in the House of Lords. Outside of the U.K., Anglican bishops tend to follow the N.T. model of a bishop and are elected by the laity and clergy of a diocese as they first were in the early Church. Archbishops are primus inter pares, first among equals. But in the long run, they should be measured by Jesus' words, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise leadership over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you; rather let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves." (Lk 22.25-26) 🙂
Bishops and priests are NOT the Son of God and have...a different ministry. Bishops have for 2,000 years lived in homes. Many of course suffered violence and death for the Faith. They didn't all have it cushy.
There is nothing in Scripture or Tradition that says bishops have to be homeless. Enthronement is not meant to indicate earthly pomp or power but the Spiritual importance of the office.
@@marcokite Who is saying bishops have to be homeless? Some have said, as your Orthodox affiliation, that bishops need to be celibate, which has not always been the case nor found in scripture. Some bishops have lived in plush quarters in comparison to the mass of laity and clergy. Some have been nobility through time. Nowhere, though, will you find in the N.T. bishops sitting in a House of Lords nor being "enthroned." It brings to mind, when commenting on John the Baptist, Jesus' saying, "Why then did you go out? To see a man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, those who wear soft raiment are in kings' houses," Mt 11.8, and Jesus' telling the Apostles, " You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. It shall not be so among you; but whoever would be first among you must be your servant . . .," Mt 20.25-26. 🤔
There can be a difference between public persona and private persona.
Elon Musk is a morally and sexually awful family man
Have you covered Enoch Burke yet? A Calvinist teaching in an Anglican school in Ireland who has been imprisoned several times by the Irish state.
Yes, several times
Kevin the US have the colony of Puerto Rico. Nigeria did go to far, they decided to drive on the right after independence. Yaxley-Lennon was rightly jailed for egregious and continued contempt of court not for speech crime.
Was not the contempt of court refusal to desist in speaking out in regard to his exposure of and opposition to egregious Muslim activities? If it were, it would seem the actions of the courts might be perceived as attempts to silence Yaxley-Lennon. Too, how would you explain his transfer to Olney prison?🤔
@@royquick-s5n It was specifically to do with continually repeating the libel in the case that he lost. There was a clear injunction on him not to do so and he admitted in court that he had 10 times.
He was jailed for deliberate breaches of said court order nothing to do with political speech.
@@lancersharpeWhat was the repeated libel? Nothing to do with political speech? It would seem a court in agreement with a prevailing political party platform would not be entirely removed from what that party considers libelous. Too, what was written may not have been immoral although illegal. On one occasion Robinson claimed that he had been duped. How many times do people act on misinformation? Rbinson may have believed what the court treated to be libelous to be still true. Let what let the repeated libel be evaluated by a moral criteria. 🤔
@@lancersharpe What was the repeated libel? "Nothing to do with political speech"? A court may not be entirely removed from what a prevailing political party considers to be libelous. An accused may still believe what other people, including a court, assert not to be the truth to be the truth. Does a court decide what is truth morally? On one occasion Robinson admitted that he had been duped. How many times do people act on misinformation? The Robinson issue may be examined by moral criteria as well as legal.
@@royquick-s5n Research it yourself. It takes about 5 minutes to read the background.
Could you please tell me what you are referring to when you mention America having almost “gone down that path” the way we in Britain have?
It may refer to one of two things or both. One is that Brits voted upon themselves a Labour government similar to Yanks having voted in a Democratic administration, abruptly ended in a recent election. Another is the moral decline of the Episcopal Church, countered by the rise of the Anglican Church in North America and similar bodies in other denominations suffering the same malady as the Episcopal Church.
Wd like to see Archbishop from overseas
There is the Chairman of GAFCON, if you look hard enough. It would seem that an Archbishop of Canterbury should be elected , at least, by the bishops of the province that he represents, not by the pope, not by the government. I suppose that it may be argued that in less pluralistic times the government represented the laity and clergy, but those days seem to have disappeared. 🤔
Unrelated, but I have an ACNA question: I was chatting to a friend who is a priest from the global south, and he told me that currently, in the ACNA, diocese can licence women, but there is an active moratorium on ordaining women as priests. Is that true?
No. No women bishops. The decision on priests is up to each diocese
@@georgeconger2850 However, there are two or three women bishops in GAFCON, of which the ACNA is a part.
Your stuff on UK and what the Archbishop Rowan Williams needs you to consult Jonathan Chaplin's book
Faith in Democracy Framing a Politics of Deep Diversity SCM Press· 2021. At this point four years on, it must be rather frustrating and disappointing for Jonathan that his suggestions have not been seriously considered particularly by his fellow Anglicans?
OK...lay off my former Archbishop from Wales. Or was it Rowan Atkison?
Archbishop Bean?
Sure thing. Maybe Black Adder? John Cleese might do also. Not much of a cheese shop is it?
Next Archbishop needs to be God fearing, who not only believes in Scripture but will uphold Scripture. And will not be willing to jump onto the latest bandwagon / fad. Joshua said "For me and my house will serve the Lord"
You talk about Scripture but NOT Tradition, Scripture is PART of Tradition.
@@marcokite You are repeating yourself here. Again, marcokite, biblical canon may be established by tradition, but scripture contains what God has revealed of himself. Tradition may be viewed, in that case, recognition of that revelation. Perhaps you should identify your church affiliation. Not an Orthodox trying to proselytize Anglicans? (The last time that I asked, you did not reply to which one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches you belong. There are some denominations with "Orthodox" in their title in the World Almanac which have dubious connection to the historic Eastern Orthodox Churches.) 🙂
Welby doesn’t drink as far as I know because of his father. I think I recal him saying
Thank you for another excellent episode, the first in 2025. I like your opinions. I will pray for you.
I just wish you could balance out your reporting with some positive stories and examples of good clergy leadership.
Point us to such stories
jonathansmith336 Your comment might be used as an excuse for ignoring what has been going on, which some have been doing all along.
@georgeconger2850 maybe the still-new archbishop of the ACNA, Steve Wood? I'd love to hear what you guys think of his leadership so far.
You certainly do not want to be voicing support for Tommy Robinson, and there is not the remotest prospect of him achieving political power. (George’s question in that regard shows a lack of feel for UK politics , which I’m afraid runs through much of your political comment regarding Britain.) Apart from a small group who have more in common with football hooligans than anything else, he has no support. And politicians of the right, including those well aware of societal problems relating to immigration and Islam, are careful to distance themselves from him. Also, he is not a free-speech martyr: he was imprisoned for contempt of court (deliberate disobedience to court orders) - something that other people who speak out on these issues would not and do not do.
It would not have anything to do with having been ordered by the court not to speak out, would it? I am hearing reports of free speech being silenced and penalized in England.
@royquick-s5n that was my question. Was the contempt of court against an Order silencing him?
@ Maybe you are, but I suspect they’re as skewed as those of Kevin and George.
Mr Robinson was not ordered “not to speak out”. He was subject of an injunction made on longstanding and well-established principles. Mr Robinson made public defamatory allegations about a Syrian refugee. The man, who was attacked as a result of what Mr Robinson was publishing, sued for defamation. Mr Robinson defended the claim on the grounds that the allegations were true (one of a number of available defences). At trial it was found that the allegations were false. Mr Robinson was ordered not to repeat the allegations. This is the way the law in England has always worked. (I don’t know if the law of defamation elsewhere is different.) It has nothing to do with some insidious erosion of free speech. Mr Robinson then deliberately and repeatedly disobeyed the injunction by repeating the allegations. He admitted contempt of court and was very properly punished for it. The rule of law cannot operate if people pick and choose which court orders to obey.
There are indeed some problems in the UK (for example, proposals to criminalise “Islamophobia”). But Mr Robinson is just a rabble-rouser.
@@RB-tc3tw What may be defamatory allegations by civil law, especially under leftist administration, may not be defamatory under conservative administration. Also, what may be illegal may be moral, and what may be immoral may be legal. The "state" does not define my morals, especially morals based on scripture. I have been reading and hearing of suppression of popular protests against Islamic activity under a Labour government in the U.K. in Anglican Unscripted and Catholic Unscripted, religious sources which I have no reason to doubt. I have reason to doubt anyone who may support the Labour government. However, I am not making any armchair conclusions about the Robinson case but being careful how to receive reports of it. 🙂
Rob-tc3tw, I am flabbergasted at your comment about Tommy. I am a 65 yo Black British and fully support Tommy. I attended his last demonstration and that was attended by about 100,000 people of all colours and races. Tommy does not want any political power but he is immensely influential amongst the British working class. We love Tommy because he’s honest, he’s got integrity and he’s not a coward. He wants Britain to be ruled by British law and not by Islamic principles.
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Too much bemoaning what Welby did. Yes, thought ought to be directed to what happens post-Welby. I do not think any church over which a government has decisive power in choice of bishops should have leadership over Anglicans worldwide. It seems GAFCON provides viable alternative--primates choosing from among them who should lead, and note, for a term. I think people are distracted by the historic role of the See of Canterbury in times past. And, really, what has counted has been the occupant of that see, not the see itself. 🤔
Not enough bemoaning what Welby did!
@@marcokite What is to be done about it? The real truth is Welby is not alone. It is as though he were being made a scapegoat, a distraction, for the collective abandonment of traditional biblical moral. Is there a collective admission that the abandonment has been in error? What is to be done about that? 🤔
I really think the Office of The See is unnecessary and weird. No first among equals, just equals!
It depends on the interpretation that you are giving to first, if you are referring to primus inter pares. For example, in the ACNA, the bishops choose an archbishop, and for a limited term. In GAFCON, the primates choose a chairman. If you are referring to the office of bishop, consider that bishop is not just an administrative position. A bishop has a sacramental role, i.e. ordination and, among Anglicans, confirmation. The offices (or ministries) of deacon, priest (presbyter), and bishop are mentioned in Holy Scripture. Church Fathers treated bishops as successors of the apostles. They would draw lines of connection to the apostles to establish orthodoxy or distinction from the heretical. 🤔
@royquick-s5n I'm definitely in favor of Bishops, I think my issue is with a worldwide leader of Bishops, that's pretty close to Papacy. I also don't think the Royal Family should be involved, anymore, for a worldwide Communion. Those weren't ridiculous ideas hundreds of years ago, but they're antiquated now, especially as the Church grows in non-Commonwealth countries.
First among equals is simply common sense and goes back around 1,800 years.
"the whole...kaboodle". 😂. Was hoping for the whole 9 yards. Jimmy Carter was anti-Catholic, basically. Nothing new under the sun.
Jimmy Carter carried out a campaign promise to respect human rights. He may have upset the Washington establishment, especially Republicans, e.g. Ronald Reagan, for emphasing human rights in foreign policy. I wonder how many Catholics would concur with your assertion that Carter was "anti-Catholic." Carter was awarded the Nobel Peace prize in 2002.
@royquick-s5n I voted for him. He definitely had a public image as you relate. He was very critical of Catholic positions on life and women in the ministry. I eventually wrote him off as just another progressive.
T Robinson not in prison for free speech but for contempt of court!
id hold any british court in contempt. ;)
Technically correct but he was disproportionately and unfairly sentenced. He is a political prisoner whose life is in danger from the Islamic gangs running the wings there.
I’m puzzled why TR is in a high security prison rather than an open prison which I understand is the norm for civil offences.
@@peternicholson4898 Political Punishment
For own safety