Thank you very much for that interesting topic. I would suggest including Arabic subtitles, because I would like to share your wonderful work with Arabic speaking friends.
What an amazing interview. Prof El Guabli thank you so much for the wonderful work and for these thorough, well articulated, well explained nuances of the Amazigh people, and the Amazigh question. I will purchase your wonderful book and learn more. Good bless you all
About the language: 1. Tamazight and darija form what is called a sprachbund, which is a situation where languages from different ancestries evolve together in a very intimate coexistence, making them share many structural features. So it is not like "darija is amazigh spoken with different words", it is "darja and tamzigh use different qords but similar strictures": there is no paternity, there is sisterhood. 2. Tamazight is not a semitic language, but its level or relationship with coptic or Ethipian languages is the same as its level of relationship with Arabic: they all belong to what is called "the AfroAsiatic" language family. Semetic laguages being a subfamily, tamazight languages being another subfamily.
Very informative podcast! Absolutely loved the questions and answers. I had always wondered if the Moroccan jews left due to oppression. Thanks for clarifying that. I look forward to buying your book.
For the deal, for whatever reasons, he omitted to mention : Between 1961 and 1964, Operation Yachin saw Mossad and HIAS strike a clandestine agreement with King Hassan II to covertly facilitate the migration of Moroccan Jews to Israel. During this three-year span, Moroccan Jewish immigration to Israel reached its zenith, with 97,000 individuals departing for Israel via both air and sea routes from Casablanca and Tangier, transiting through France and Italy. As part of this migration, Morocco received "indemnities" in compensation for the loss of its Jewish population. By 1967, approximately 250,000 Jews had left Morocco, with some seeking refuge in Europe and the United States, while a significant portion chose to immigrate to Israel. All in all, 274,180 individuals are recorded to have emigrated from Morocco to Israel between the establishment of the state in 1948 and 2016. Moroccan Jewish immigrants in Israel faced numerous challenges related to cross-cultural adaptation and integration, which eventually became defining aspects of this immigration wave. The cultural barriers and discrimination they encountered prompted protests (such as the Wadi Salib riots) and, over time, contributed to a gradual transformation in the Israeli political landscape.
Totally disagree with the guest. French is a language a lot of imazighen despice. Also morocco is more and more leaving french behind, and is turning towards English. The guest with all due respect needs to decolonize from the french language and influences. French is not North-African, this guest maybe has a inferiority complex towards the French. He quotes Amazigh Nationalists like Katib Yasin and those guys definitely were influenced by the French. So it explains his attachement to French. Down with French, up with Tamazight and Arabic. True Amazigh only speak Tamazight and Arabic as their native languages. This guy is an Amazigh nationalist. I am pro Amazigh culture but this guy quotes Amazigh Nationalists who had close connections with the French. They are a very small minority, the normal Amazigh is just an Amazigh with love for their religion as muslims. But i agree with his vision of a plural Morocco, it always has been a plural region.
@@paulthomas281 attached is the wrong word. It is now part of our history, the arab presence now spans more than 1300 years, thats a long time, they have integrated and assimilated in the Maghreb region, they have had their influence through islam and are a part of our regional history.
Would it be possible to get a list of the authors he mentions at the end as well as in the rest of the episode? I really want to check them out but as a non-native Arab speaker I’m having a hard time understanding their names.
He's a follow-up Daftar piece with all of El Guabli's recommended reading. Hope this helps! www.afikra.com/daftarjournal/north-african-history-through-an-amazigh-lens-resources-recommended-by-brahim-el-guabli
Mr professor you are right the way that ouropians transilated is wrong but the word barbar roots back to horn of africa which means different colours historically the barbar were divided into two groups the barbar of north africa and those on east africa but amazigh as well as tuareg retained their culture and language.
Correction: Imazighen do not identify themselves only through language, this is not true. Imazighen identify themselves also by ethnicity, a riffi is a riffi, a soussi is a soussi, also identify from what lands your ancestors come from, culture and of course language
Agree with him: he is not linguist. Amazigh is a semitic language, like the ethiopian. The amazigh sttler came in north africa before the jews and arabs. The amazigh are asian people.
if genetic and nurture play their parts in the individuals, we are both of Tamazight and Arabic descent. The guest looks more as a Moroccan Arab then Amazigh.
First of all, I am Amazigh too. Second, the claim that the ethnic dimension does not matter is but a fool's claim. Third, with respect to the arabisation policies in the 60s, 70s, etc. ought to be understood in their context as a countermeasure for the Francofonisation policies that the main colonial power, France, imposed on the country and from which we continue to suffer to this day. Finally, the author ought to read more history about the great migratory waves that settled North Africa and which suggests that the main waves of migration did indeed come from the Middle-East, with a mixing that occured with waves from Subsaharan Africa. There is an "extremist" interpretation of the Amazigh as en ethnic group which suggests that they appeared out of nowhere to populate North Africa!
With respect you ought to update your knowledge about history , archaeology and genetics of the region. There have never been invasions from the East. Arab Omeyyad armies were defeated during the Great Amazigh revolt initiated by Maysara Medghri ~741-742. Ibn Khaldun created the myth of the Beni Hillel. Genetically, the people of North Africa are overwhelming Amazigh by their haplogroups and mtDNA. Anthropologically, culturally etc…it’s also the case
What makes me hopping mad with countries like Egypt Morocco Algerian and its people Most think their ARAB, their NORTH africian Each country different In some ways this feeling of speading of islam, fave people a falce identity??????
It isnt one size fits all. There was a lot of mixing in Andulsia and Phoenicians (Semitic blood) were in the area. In the end, all these things are minor. The history is complex and for those who never mix of course they are only Amazigh but there are 55% mixing rate. For example the Palestinian,syrian and Lebanon area is a different type of Arab then in the gulf. Another fact is arab is not defined as gulf arab. The origins of arabs in present day Jordan Palestine Syria Lebanon is found in ancient times. In the end, All these countries have shared history, share food and culture. It is silly to focus on differences. I will say this French and Italy are stated as Amazigh identities; why doesn’t bring anger . The truth is every region has its unique background.
A Muslim has an Islamic culture. The Arab culture doesn’t own the Islamic culture. You are silly and obviously has a hatred towards arabs. But if you are Muslim remember Islam is a culture. By the way even the gulf arabs have different ancestry. In the end, Islamic culture is Islamic culture it isn’t being Arab.
@@Shook1917🤣🤣🤣 55% mixing rate????? Could you give me the reference where you got such number? I need a serious well recognized peer-reviewed study backing such claim. This is nonsense. Even the linguistics studies, the genetic analysis and anthropology and archeology extensive works deny all this. And on top of that you make this funny illogical leap where you claim that the Arabs are not to be restricted with the Gulf region!!! And you keep adding to it that the Levant and Cresent population is ALL of Arab origin, so and so to say that in old times they all came from the gulf! Can you cite a serious academic study that makes such conclusion??? Seriously, if you lack the knowledge, at least have the decency of not spreading inaccuracies. That's the least you can do!
Greetings from the irelsnd, what makes me completely confused is Morocco people spoke a different language before Islam arrived, eg egyotain spoke coptic in Egypt, all Morocco Egyptian etc are North Africans, not Arab, so all Morocco, which islam came, arabic became dominant language, we too lost alot of the irish language in ireland But now it makeing a comeback Morocco are North Africains like Algerians Egyptian, NOT ARABS, they only spoek arabic Rember Morocco first All Morocco are indigenous to ye country, same in algerian, Egypt All individual countries who sppek Arabic and most practise islam
Amazigh is dielect spoken in North Africa our ancestor embrace Islam and learn Arabic and become Arabised our ancestors extended Islam to Europe. All amazigh people of north africa are muslims.
Tamazight is not a dialect, Tamazight is the language of knowledge and civilization. Because of the Arab's invasion, they deprived Amazigh people to use Tamazight by threatening them with religion to be Muslim by force. Their goal is to promote Arabic and to steal the land.
@brahimsiali2602 I don't know what you mean by "all Amazigh people are Muslims". Not all Amazigh people believe that the Qur'an is the word of god. In fact, a lot of Amazigh, as you know, don't believe that the Qur'an is the word of god or that god "spoke to Muhammad". Sure, they might be "Muslim" according to some dry population census, but that doesn't really amount to much.
If you keep saying you are Muslim, you're not going to help Tamazight to be free under arabs colonization to promote Arabic. Because islam it self is against languages, if you forgot that.
Betrayal of the Palestinians by Moroccan government is disgusting. What a shock and embarrassing! 100,000Moroccan jews massacred and stole land from Palestinian.
@@Shook1917 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Again little mind, give us a proof to back up your dumb claims??? Morocco, although being the farthest country from Palestine, has done more to the cause than ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY. Morocco to this very day finances the Palestinian presence in Jerusalem. We have countries, like Algeria for instance, who have done NOTHING but barking and selling lies. It's your ignorance, in 2024 where we have all this knowledge vlat our fingertips, that is beyond disgusting!
This is not true at all. Berber is an exonym for one and two there's numerous different groups of Amazigh all across north and west africa, who speak various amazigh languages
1. Most north Africans are not white. 2. According to historians, there was never any migration from Europe to North Africa. The migrations were from Ethiopia and ancient Levant. There were many other migrations as well but not as important. So bringing Europeans is simply a wish but it's not what the studies of people show.
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Unity in diversity.. such powerful words , thanks for interviewing Prof. Guabli
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you very much for that interesting topic. I would suggest including Arabic subtitles, because I would like to share your wonderful work with Arabic speaking friends.
What an amazing interview. Prof El Guabli thank you so much for the wonderful work and for these thorough, well articulated, well explained nuances of the Amazigh people, and the Amazigh question. I will purchase your wonderful book and learn more. Good bless you all
About the language:
1. Tamazight and darija form what is called a sprachbund, which is a situation where languages from different ancestries evolve together in a very intimate coexistence, making them share many structural features. So it is not like "darija is amazigh spoken with different words", it is "darja and tamzigh use different qords but similar strictures": there is no paternity, there is sisterhood.
2. Tamazight is not a semitic language, but its level or relationship with coptic or Ethipian languages is the same as its level of relationship with Arabic: they all belong to what is called "the AfroAsiatic" language family. Semetic laguages being a subfamily, tamazight languages being another subfamily.
Very informative podcast! Absolutely loved the questions and answers. I had always wondered if the Moroccan jews left due to oppression. Thanks for clarifying that. I look forward to buying your book.
This is a very wonderful video, I really appreciate the effort and the topic. Thank you for this amazing and interesting video❤️.
Epic interview, thank you both 🙏🏽
Glad you found it informative!
Great historical exposition . Thanks for this video❤❤
Glad you found it useful!
For the deal, for whatever reasons, he omitted to mention :
Between 1961 and 1964, Operation Yachin saw Mossad and HIAS strike a clandestine agreement with King Hassan II to covertly facilitate the migration of Moroccan Jews to Israel. During this three-year span, Moroccan Jewish immigration to Israel reached its zenith, with 97,000 individuals departing for Israel via both air and sea routes from Casablanca and Tangier, transiting through France and Italy. As part of this migration, Morocco received "indemnities" in compensation for the loss of its Jewish population.
By 1967, approximately 250,000 Jews had left Morocco, with some seeking refuge in Europe and the United States, while a significant portion chose to immigrate to Israel. All in all, 274,180 individuals are recorded to have emigrated from Morocco to Israel between the establishment of the state in 1948 and 2016. Moroccan Jewish immigrants in Israel faced numerous challenges related to cross-cultural adaptation and integration, which eventually became defining aspects of this immigration wave. The cultural barriers and discrimination they encountered prompted protests (such as the Wadi Salib riots) and, over time, contributed to a gradual transformation in the Israeli political landscape.
Irrelevant.
Totally disagree with the guest. French is a language a lot of imazighen despice. Also morocco is more and more leaving french behind, and is turning towards English. The guest with all due respect needs to decolonize from the french language and influences. French is not North-African, this guest maybe has a inferiority complex towards the French. He quotes Amazigh Nationalists like Katib Yasin and those guys definitely were influenced by the French. So it explains his attachement to French. Down with French, up with Tamazight and Arabic. True Amazigh only speak Tamazight and Arabic as their native languages. This guy is an Amazigh nationalist. I am pro Amazigh culture but this guy quotes Amazigh Nationalists who had close connections with the French. They are a very small minority, the normal Amazigh is just an Amazigh with love for their religion as muslims. But i agree with his vision of a plural Morocco, it always has been a plural region.
@dpireader32
Why are you so attached to Arabic then?
@@paulthomas281 attached is the wrong word. It is now part of our history, the arab presence now spans more than 1300 years, thats a long time, they have integrated and assimilated in the Maghreb region, they have had their influence through islam and are a part of our regional history.
@@paulthomas281Arabic is the coolest language in the world
Would it be possible to get a list of the authors he mentions at the end as well as in the rest of the episode? I really want to check them out but as a non-native Arab speaker I’m having a hard time understanding their names.
He's a follow-up Daftar piece with all of El Guabli's recommended reading. Hope this helps! www.afikra.com/daftarjournal/north-african-history-through-an-amazigh-lens-resources-recommended-by-brahim-el-guabli
@@afikra thanks so much!
Absolutely love this episode! Thank you !
We're happy to hear!
Azul iy Imazighen meṛṛa seg Tizi Wezzu ♓
that is an informative and illuminative conversation, thanks
We're glad you enjoyed it!
Very good explanation
watch from Morocco, amazigh ❤
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Mr professor you are right the way that ouropians transilated is wrong but the word barbar roots back to horn of africa which means different colours historically the barbar were divided into two groups the barbar of north africa and those on east africa but amazigh as well as tuareg retained their culture and language.
Allah's sharia is the only way, never forget that fact
Amazigh is one nation under one mother language Tamazight in Tamazgha land.
Correction: Imazighen do not identify themselves only through language, this is not true. Imazighen identify themselves also by ethnicity, a riffi is a riffi, a soussi is a soussi, also identify from what lands your ancestors come from, culture and of course language
Agree with him: he is not linguist. Amazigh is a semitic language, like the ethiopian. The amazigh sttler came in north africa before the jews and arabs. The amazigh are asian people.
if genetic and nurture play their parts in the individuals, we are both of Tamazight and Arabic descent. The guest looks more as a Moroccan Arab then Amazigh.
Genetic studies confirm there’s no Arab component in the population DNA. Iberian, subsaharian haplogroups are however present in smal proportions.
North Africans are essentially Amazigh that speak darija and no they arent arabs
First of all, I am Amazigh too. Second, the claim that the ethnic dimension does not matter is but a fool's claim. Third, with respect to the arabisation policies in the 60s, 70s, etc. ought to be understood in their context as a countermeasure for the Francofonisation policies that the main colonial power, France, imposed on the country and from which we continue to suffer to this day. Finally, the author ought to read more history about the great migratory waves that settled North Africa and which suggests that the main waves of migration did indeed come from the Middle-East, with a mixing that occured with waves from Subsaharan Africa. There is an "extremist" interpretation of the Amazigh as en ethnic group which suggests that they appeared out of nowhere to populate North Africa!
With respect you ought to update your knowledge about history , archaeology and genetics of the region. There have never been invasions from the East. Arab Omeyyad armies were defeated during the Great Amazigh revolt initiated by Maysara Medghri ~741-742. Ibn Khaldun created the myth of the Beni Hillel.
Genetically, the people of North Africa are overwhelming Amazigh by their haplogroups and mtDNA. Anthropologically, culturally etc…it’s also the case
Semitic, Tamazigh, Tygriña, Coptic and other Ethiopic languages all belong to the Afro-Asiatic language family.
What makes me hopping mad with countries like Egypt Morocco Algerian and its people
Most think their ARAB, their NORTH africian
Each country different
In some ways this feeling of speading of islam, fave people a falce identity??????
It isnt one size fits all. There was a lot of mixing in Andulsia and Phoenicians (Semitic blood) were in the area. In the end, all these things are minor. The history is complex and for those who never mix of course they are only Amazigh but there are 55% mixing rate. For example the Palestinian,syrian and Lebanon area is a different type of Arab then in the gulf. Another fact is arab is not defined as gulf arab. The origins of arabs in present day Jordan Palestine Syria Lebanon is found in ancient times. In the end, All these countries have shared history, share food and culture. It is silly to focus on differences. I will say this French and Italy are stated as Amazigh identities; why doesn’t bring anger . The truth is every region has its unique background.
A Muslim has an Islamic culture. The Arab culture doesn’t own the Islamic culture. You are silly and obviously has a hatred towards arabs. But if you are Muslim remember Islam is a culture. By the way even the gulf arabs have different ancestry. In the end, Islamic culture is Islamic culture it isn’t being Arab.
@@Shook1917🤣🤣🤣 55% mixing rate?????
Could you give me the reference where you got such number?
I need a serious well recognized peer-reviewed study backing such claim.
This is nonsense. Even the linguistics studies, the genetic analysis and anthropology and archeology extensive works deny all this.
And on top of that you make this funny illogical leap where you claim that the Arabs are not to be restricted with the Gulf region!!! And you keep adding to it that the Levant and Cresent population is ALL of Arab origin, so and so to say that in old times they all came from the gulf!
Can you cite a serious academic study that makes such conclusion???
Seriously, if you lack the knowledge, at least have the decency of not spreading inaccuracies. That's the least you can do!
@Shook1917 DNA science says that majority of North African are Amazigh
This “historian” is as knowledgable as my hair dresser
Zenata imazighen
Akbar imjahden
Tarik ibn Zaid
Maghrawaden
Emiraat Nekor
Ziriden(ziri ibn menad)
Meriniden
Wattasiden
Jaish d'Ahl Al-Rif
Abdelkarim khattabi
Omar mohtar
Mohamed amezian
Abd al-Kader
Barbary pirates
Ibn khaldun
Ibn battuta
Greetings from the irelsnd, what makes me completely confused is
Morocco people spoke a different language before Islam arrived, eg egyotain spoke coptic in Egypt, all Morocco Egyptian etc are North Africans, not Arab, so all Morocco, which islam came, arabic became dominant language, we too lost alot of the irish language in ireland
But now it makeing a comeback
Morocco are North Africains like Algerians Egyptian, NOT ARABS, they only spoek arabic
Rember Morocco first
All Morocco are indigenous to ye country, same in algerian, Egypt
All individual countries who sppek Arabic and most practise islam
Moroccans did not speak different languages .
Language evolve which cause it to seem different ,,all tamazights stemed from the same mother language.
Hhhhh sir allah ye3tik del..do u call what u wrote english...hhhhh
@user-jt8vj1vm6y get your américan mindset out of africa
Amazigh is dielect spoken in North Africa our ancestor embrace Islam and learn Arabic and become Arabised our ancestors extended Islam to Europe. All amazigh people of north africa are muslims.
Not all Amazigh are Muslims.
Islam is invasion to Tamazgha to promote Arabic language on the name of religion, to take over the land of Imazighen.
Tamazight is not a dialect, Tamazight is the language of knowledge and civilization. Because of the Arab's invasion, they deprived Amazigh people to use Tamazight by threatening them with religion to be Muslim by force. Their goal is to promote Arabic and to steal the land.
@brahimsiali2602
I don't know what you mean by "all Amazigh people are Muslims". Not all Amazigh people believe that the Qur'an is the word of god. In fact, a lot of Amazigh, as you know, don't believe that the Qur'an is the word of god or that god "spoke to Muhammad". Sure, they might be "Muslim" according to some dry population census, but that doesn't really amount to much.
If you keep saying you are Muslim, you're not going to help Tamazight to be free under arabs colonization to promote Arabic. Because islam it self is against languages, if you forgot that.
Islam its against languages.hhhh whata donkey comment.
Where did you learn that Islam was against languages? What an awkward and ignorant statement.
How is islam against languages, what an absurd statement
Betrayal of the Palestinians by Moroccan government is disgusting. What a shock and embarrassing! 100,000Moroccan jews massacred and stole land from Palestinian.
@@Shook1917 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Again little mind, give us a proof to back up your dumb claims???
Morocco, although being the farthest country from Palestine, has done more to the cause than ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY.
Morocco to this very day finances the Palestinian presence in Jerusalem. We have countries, like Algeria for instance, who have done NOTHING but barking and selling lies.
It's your ignorance, in 2024 where we have all this knowledge vlat our fingertips, that is beyond disgusting!
Rubbish! Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and the Arab peninsula next door to Palestine and you blame Morocco.
What Palestinians think of Amazigh and their land Tamazgha?
Spanish is also a Moroccan language.
😂😂
Anyone who is not white is not Amazigh, Berbers were white people who lived between NAfrica and EU mostly on Islands.
This is not true at all. Berber is an exonym for one and two there's numerous different groups of Amazigh all across north and west africa, who speak various amazigh languages
@@annhilator55 Exonym YES but todays almost all Berbers are white people.
simply wrong. look at the tuareg people.
@@youneselachkar They aren’t Amazighs they are mix.
1. Most north Africans are not white.
2. According to historians, there was never any migration from Europe to North Africa. The migrations were from Ethiopia and ancient Levant. There were many other migrations as well but not as important. So bringing Europeans is simply a wish but it's not what the studies of people show.