There's a reason this exists Frosty Returns was made because CBS (and the distributor Classic Media [formerly Golden Books Entertainment]) doesn't own the rights to Frosty's Winter Wonderland (the real sequel to Frosty The Snowman) as Rankin/Bass's catalog was split between 2 companies Classic Media (now DreamWorks Classics) owns the early half of the Rankin/Bass catalog (including Frosty, Ruldoph, the Jackson Five cartoon, Tales of The Wizard of Oz and various others) Warner Bros. owns the Tomorrow Entertainment era of Rankin/Bass including The Stingiest Man in Town, Rudolph's Shiny New Year, Rudolph and Frosty's Christmas in July and yes, Frosty's Winter Wonderland with one exception, as of now, Lionsgate owns Mad Monster Party those like The Adventures of Pinnochio and Willie McBean and His Magic Machine are an enigma as we have no clue who owns it Rankin/Bass had no involvement in Frosty Returns as they are a minor shell company at that point - in fact before both Arthur Rankin Jr and Jules Bass passed away - many years apart i might add, They made one more special in 1999 called "Santa Baby!" - that only aired once on the same year as the cult classic "Olive, The Other Reindeer" on FOX.. after that Rankin/Bass was no more and now we're stuck with this complex web of who owns what in terms of the Rankin/Bass library CBS commissioned Melendez to make this special to make up for the fact they can't air the special as WB gave Fox Family (now Freeform) the rights to air it
Is everyone going to ignore that Frosty looks like a Snowman version of Garfield? The animators did Garfield too. Also, speaking of “Legend of Frosty the Snowman”, the only thing holding it back was that Karen from the original story is no longer the main focus as she was in the original. You would think there should be some more interaction between her and Frosty, given how in the original she was just there to help him get to the North Pole and end up being sick in the cold for too long. Why can’t the Tinkerton subplot be more about how the Mother (if Karen had the role) was holding back her memories of being a happy kid that loves seeing Frosty; or that the kid who was Mr. Tinkleton in the sequel that later became the father and mayor, was not only the son of Professor Hinkle Tinkerton, but also the husband of Karen, which in turn makes Professor Hinkle be Karen’s father-in-law. This would’ve improved on the narrative for me, and would’ve been a great continuation on the two people that had been in Frosty’s life; especially when you want to make the Principal character be even MORE of a jerk for taking away the most important friend that Karen had, and that the Principal hated Frosty for being popular. BTW, Media Momentos likes Cricket on the Hearth? Boy, Phelous is gonna have a field day with that comment.
Just some corrections on your statement man: 1. Jules Bass is still very much alive and well. 2. Santa Baby! Was made in 2001 as a reattempted comeback but flopped. 3. AMC now has the television rights to the Tomorrow Entertainment Era/WB owned Rankin Bass specials.
I, along with others, respect all of your opinions on "Frosty Returns." I grew up watching this special when we've watched it, after the first Frosty, on DVD at school. I enjoyed the songs, the narrations, and/or the narrator, Holly and Charles, Mr. Twitchell, the way Ms. Carbunkle referenced MTV, Mark Mothersbaugh's music for this spin-off cartoon, everything that it had to offer. Plus, I enjoy watching it on CBS, and this spin-off cartoon, in my opinion, was magnificent. Sure, it had nothing to do with neither Rankin/Bass' original Frosty or Frosty's Winter Wonderland, nor is it even Christmas-related, but I even as kid, I still love this special, and that's my opinion on it, and it even taught an important lesson about snow, as well.
I remember hearing from an old 107 Facts video that Frosty the Snowman was animated by a Japanese studio, meaning that in some definition of it, Frosty the Snowman is an anime. You can kinda tell through the character designs and how they're animated throughout the film. The stop-motion Rankin-Bass Christmas films were animated in Japan as well, actually.
Actually I was wrong. Legend actually acknowledges Van Winkle in that special. Speaking of Legend... Yeah sorry I actually really don't like that one. It has an incredibly generic story and inconsistent character designs (Like every human in the present has this early 2000's look, yet in the flashback there's Rankin Bass styled characters?).
“He wants to become the king of the town!” Huh, I didn’t realize Frosty the Snowman took place in the same universe as Homestar Runner. Joking aside, I think I saw this one a few years back and…yeah, it wasn’t all that memorable.
I remember back in like fourth grade or something on the day before winter break the teacher said "we’re gonna watch Frosty the Snowman" but instead popped in a DVD for this special instead lmao
Yayyyy! Someone finally found The Legend of Frosty the snowman! I found it randomly on Netflix and watched it and really enjoyed it and should probably find it again.
I loved the Rankin/Bass Frosty the Snowman cartoon. I wasn't too crazy about Frosty Returns. It's like you said, the style and tone are different than the first one.
Frosty Returns (which I agree is very bad) has a weird backstory regarding its airing I’d love to figure out. It was copyrighted in 1992 (which is its production date on IMDb), but apparently didn’t get a video release until 1993 and didn’t get aired by CBS until 1995, even though CBS produced it. I’d love to know why that happened. Another odd things about the special is that it was produced by, of all people, Lorne Michaels, which may be why Jan Hooks was one of the voices. Also, the main little girl was voiced by 10-year-old Elisabeth Moss.
I remember hearing on the Bugs Bunny Video Guide website that CBS cancelled the airing of Bugs Bunny’s Lunar Tunes (as well as other new CBS primetime specials, causing another proposed Looney Tunes special, Bugs Bunny’s Cinemaniacs, previously titled Bugs Bunny’s Secrets of Filmmaking to be scrapped, and the already-finished It’s Spring Training Charlie Brown to be released direct-to-video in 1996 and aired on Nickelodeon in 1998) due to low ratings of previous specials such as Bugs Bunny’s Creature Features. So that probably explains why you never actually got to see this special in 1992.
Based on the scene with the saw and what I remember from the special, the brother and sister's dynamic reminds me of Linus and Lucy except that the sister doesn't have Lucy's personality (instead she's more like the original Frosty girl but is also interested in potentially-dangerous magic tricks).
I never got that they were brother and sister, but friends given Sally calls him a "friend" instead of her brother. Plus, he had snow just sitting around in a freezer for an experiment, yet Sally couldn't fit Frosty into her fridge.
IIRC, the villain just wanted to use his spray to clear the roads of snow, which in real life would prevent a lot of accidents and deaths. All Frosty had to do was move a little further away from the road and he would have been fine.
Jonathan _Winters_ as the narrator to a Frosty movie. Again like certain other cases, some casting director has to be laughing at his cleverness somewhere!
My favorite part was when the main antagonist briefly broke the fourth wall. First he tells his limo driver to stop the car and then looks at the screen and tells the editors to stop the music. I caught that faster than you.
There are a lot of weird sequels to many of the Rankin Bass specials. Like The Miser Bros Christmas from 2008. I fondly remember that one more than the original.
It blows my mind that the voice actors of The Lecture Lady from Elmo’s World, The Flying Dutchman from SpongeBob and Sully from Monsters Inc is in this great movie sequel. Oh yeah. The composer of the SMW TV show composed the music of this movie.
If you want a real frosty sequel I recommend frosty's winter wonderland. It's made by Rankin bass and honestly is pretty great. Also to mention, I would honestly count winter wonderland, cause despite what this guy is saying, frosty returns and legend of frosty honestly have nothing to do with christmas. So I see no reason in his exclusion of winter wonderland. Pretty disappointed he threw it under the rug
I remember watching Frosty amd being excited because the sequel was on after it and no one ever played the sequel. My dad wanted to change it and I insisted that I liked the sequel. "Frosty Returns" started and I was just confused and had to explain that this was not the sequel I liked and maybe it's the thrird one or something. My dad said those were the only 2, but "The Legend of Frosty the Snowman" was the sequel I had remembered.
Yeah. I have the same thoughts about Frosty the Snowman as you. In a way it’s pretty long with filler. Same way I felt with the PowerPuff Girls Christmas special.
OK So I actually liked and still like this one! Watched it every holiday season on VHS. With the original frosty (which I think is my fave Rankin-bass special). Their was just a strangeness to it that I have always liked. I have also seen "The Legend of", and I will also agree it's good too. Thought I haven't seen it in a while, I should get tot that. But anyway, I still liked your video very fun.
'Frosty Returns' wasn't nearly as good as the original, or the Rankin/Bass produced follow ups before that. Bill Melendez is good at emulating the 'Peanuts' art style, but he just couldn't emulate the Rankin/Bass art style. It also feels like a 'Peanuts' special, and not the fondly remembered ones. 'The Legend Of Frosty' look like a huge step up from 'Frosty Returns'. The animation looks decent, and Frosty is more 'on model' here than in 'Returns'.
Oh also I know you did a video talking about Rugrats all grown up ages ago, and how you mentioned you weren’t a big fan of Rugrats at the start of it, but do you still plan to talk about your thoughts in regards to the original at all? You should at least definitely look at my favourite episode acorn nuts and diapey butts, which my main profile is actually from funnily enough.
@@mediamementosofficial ahh nice trust me. On the surface it really doesn’t seem like much but a show about babies is probably the most brilliant concept ever!
@@mediamementosofficial yeah fair enough then. At one point I didn’t like it that much in my early teen years. I still think it’s miles better than family guy. It honestly sucks nowadays! Ever since 2010-2011 it’s been nothing but painful and cringeworthy to the very end with only a few good redeeming qualities. Even the Simpsons is still better by today’s standards. You know what I mean? Family guy is too far gone now!
Man, Bill Melendez didn't know what the 1969 Frosty the Snowman was, did he? From the story alone, this special just looks boring, uninteresting, forgettable, and bland.
My brother had the legend of frosty on constantly. I thought it was decent, and as you'd expect, my parents were very offended after the first time we watched it.
There's a reason this exists
Frosty Returns was made because CBS (and the distributor Classic Media [formerly Golden Books Entertainment]) doesn't own the rights to Frosty's Winter Wonderland (the real sequel to Frosty The Snowman)
as Rankin/Bass's catalog was split between 2 companies
Classic Media (now DreamWorks Classics) owns the early half of the Rankin/Bass catalog (including Frosty, Ruldoph, the Jackson Five cartoon, Tales of The Wizard of Oz and various others)
Warner Bros. owns the Tomorrow Entertainment era of Rankin/Bass including The Stingiest Man in Town, Rudolph's Shiny New Year, Rudolph and Frosty's Christmas in July and yes, Frosty's Winter Wonderland
with one exception, as of now, Lionsgate owns Mad Monster Party
those like The Adventures of Pinnochio and Willie McBean and His Magic Machine are an enigma as we have no clue who owns it
Rankin/Bass had no involvement in Frosty Returns as they are a minor shell company at that point - in fact before both Arthur Rankin Jr and Jules Bass passed away - many years apart i might add, They made one more special in 1999 called "Santa Baby!" - that only aired once on the same year as the cult classic "Olive, The Other Reindeer" on FOX.. after that Rankin/Bass was no more and now we're stuck with this complex web of who owns what in terms of the Rankin/Bass library
CBS commissioned Melendez to make this special to make up for the fact they can't air the special as WB gave Fox Family (now Freeform) the rights to air it
I feel like Willie Mcbean, Pinocchio and That one smokey bear special are in the public domain
Is everyone going to ignore that Frosty looks like a Snowman version of Garfield? The animators did Garfield too.
Also, speaking of “Legend of Frosty the Snowman”, the only thing holding it back was that Karen from the original story is no longer the main focus as she was in the original. You would think there should be some more interaction between her and Frosty, given how in the original she was just there to help him get to the North Pole and end up being sick in the cold for too long. Why can’t the Tinkerton subplot be more about how the Mother (if Karen had the role) was holding back her memories of being a happy kid that loves seeing Frosty; or that the kid who was Mr. Tinkleton in the sequel that later became the father and mayor, was not only the son of Professor Hinkle Tinkerton, but also the husband of Karen, which in turn makes Professor Hinkle be Karen’s father-in-law. This would’ve improved on the narrative for me, and would’ve been a great continuation on the two people that had been in Frosty’s life; especially when you want to make the Principal character be even MORE of a jerk for taking away the most important friend that Karen had, and that the Principal hated Frosty for being popular.
BTW, Media Momentos likes Cricket on the Hearth? Boy, Phelous is gonna have a field day with that comment.
@@robbiewalker2831 i also liked Cricket on the Hearth, it has that guilty pleasure feel
@@Montythegold It’s called The Ballad Of Smokey The Bear and it premiered in 1966.
Just some corrections on your statement man:
1. Jules Bass is still very much alive and well.
2. Santa Baby! Was made in 2001 as a reattempted comeback but flopped.
3. AMC now has the television rights to the Tomorrow Entertainment Era/WB owned Rankin Bass specials.
From Frosty the Snowman to Robot Santa, John Goodman is just excellent at playing holiday characters
I, along with others, respect all of your opinions on "Frosty Returns." I grew up watching this special when we've watched it, after the first Frosty, on DVD at school. I enjoyed the songs, the narrations, and/or the narrator, Holly and Charles, Mr. Twitchell, the way Ms. Carbunkle referenced MTV, Mark Mothersbaugh's music for this spin-off cartoon, everything that it had to offer. Plus, I enjoy watching it on CBS, and this spin-off cartoon, in my opinion, was magnificent. Sure, it had nothing to do with neither Rankin/Bass' original Frosty or Frosty's Winter Wonderland, nor is it even Christmas-related, but I even as kid, I still love this special, and that's my opinion on it, and it even taught an important lesson about snow, as well.
I remember hearing from an old 107 Facts video that Frosty the Snowman was animated by a Japanese studio, meaning that in some definition of it, Frosty the Snowman is an anime. You can kinda tell through the character designs and how they're animated throughout the film. The stop-motion Rankin-Bass Christmas films were animated in Japan as well, actually.
Rankin-Bass outsourced all their stuff to Japan as it is a lot cheaper than actually making them in-house
yes!! technically speaking Thunder Cats (also made by Rankin Bass and my icon) is an anime for that reason as well!!
I love the fact that all three continuations of Frosty don't even acknowledge the cast from the original special.
Actually I was wrong. Legend actually acknowledges Van Winkle in that special. Speaking of Legend... Yeah sorry I actually really don't like that one. It has an incredibly generic story and inconsistent character designs (Like every human in the present has this early 2000's look, yet in the flashback there's Rankin Bass styled characters?).
@@austinmarks4088 The fact that Karen has no mention in The Legend of Frosty is pretty messed up though
@@austinmarks4088In design only, his last name is Tinkerton there.
Frosty The Snowman is Frankenstein, but its Christmas flavored
But it’s the Twilight Zone.
“He wants to become the king of the town!”
Huh, I didn’t realize Frosty the Snowman took place in the same universe as Homestar Runner.
Joking aside, I think I saw this one a few years back and…yeah, it wasn’t all that memorable.
I remember back in like fourth grade or something on the day before winter break the teacher said "we’re gonna watch Frosty the Snowman" but instead popped in a DVD for this special instead lmao
Yayyyy! Someone finally found The Legend of Frosty the snowman!
I found it randomly on Netflix and watched it and really enjoyed it and should probably find it again.
More like an Earth Day Winter special than a Christmas Special.
The music in Frosty Returns reminds me of Rugrats
Because its the same composer: Mark Mothersbaugh
@@michaelmcjunkin1372and he did the wacky adventures of Ronald McDonald
I loved the Rankin/Bass Frosty the Snowman cartoon. I wasn't too crazy about Frosty Returns. It's like you said, the style and tone are different than the first one.
To be honest I love frosty and I don’t know what I will do without it
I love John Goodman! Great actor! Couldn’t agree more about the flintstones. Perfect casting.
Still, I'll personally take this over something like ''The Legend of Frosty the Snowman''. Brrr...
Frosty Returns (which I agree is very bad) has a weird backstory regarding its airing I’d love to figure out. It was copyrighted in 1992 (which is its production date on IMDb), but apparently didn’t get a video release until 1993 and didn’t get aired by CBS until 1995, even though CBS produced it. I’d love to know why that happened. Another odd things about the special is that it was produced by, of all people, Lorne Michaels, which may be why Jan Hooks was one of the voices. Also, the main little girl was voiced by 10-year-old Elisabeth Moss.
I remember hearing on the Bugs Bunny Video Guide website that CBS cancelled the airing of Bugs Bunny’s Lunar Tunes (as well as other new CBS primetime specials, causing another proposed Looney Tunes special, Bugs Bunny’s Cinemaniacs, previously titled Bugs Bunny’s Secrets of Filmmaking to be scrapped, and the already-finished It’s Spring Training Charlie Brown to be released direct-to-video in 1996 and aired on Nickelodeon in 1998) due to low ratings of previous specials such as Bugs Bunny’s Creature Features. So that probably explains why you never actually got to see this special in 1992.
Based on the scene with the saw and what I remember from the special, the brother and sister's dynamic reminds me of Linus and Lucy except that the sister doesn't have Lucy's personality (instead she's more like the original Frosty girl but is also interested in potentially-dangerous magic tricks).
I never got that they were brother and sister, but friends given Sally calls him a "friend" instead of her brother. Plus, he had snow just sitting around in a freezer for an experiment, yet Sally couldn't fit Frosty into her fridge.
IIRC, the villain just wanted to use his spray to clear the roads of snow, which in real life would prevent a lot of accidents and deaths. All Frosty had to do was move a little further away from the road and he would have been fine.
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Yeah, looking at Charles, (and hearing his name), automatically gives you Peanuts vibes, doesn't it
Jonathan _Winters_ as the narrator to a Frosty movie. Again like certain other cases, some casting director has to be laughing at his cleverness somewhere!
You're right. Why does John Goodman's Frosty sound so good?
Frosty really did get some pretty odd follow ups after the original.
John Goodman’s Frosty sounds like John Candy’s Uncle Buck.
My favorite part was when the main antagonist briefly broke the fourth wall.
First he tells his limo driver to stop the car and then looks at the screen and tells the editors to stop the music.
I caught that faster than you.
There are a lot of weird sequels to many of the Rankin Bass specials. Like The Miser Bros Christmas from 2008. I fondly remember that one more than the original.
It blows my mind that the voice actors of The Lecture Lady from Elmo’s World, The Flying Dutchman from SpongeBob and Sully from Monsters Inc is in this great movie sequel. Oh yeah. The composer of the SMW TV show composed the music of this movie.
Actually, the guy who composed the music to Rugrats composed the music to this special.
I watched Frosty Returns once when I was a kid, and I remember not caring for it. As an adult, my opinion has not changed.
If you want a real frosty sequel I recommend frosty's winter wonderland. It's made by Rankin bass and honestly is pretty great. Also to mention, I would honestly count winter wonderland, cause despite what this guy is saying, frosty returns and legend of frosty honestly have nothing to do with christmas. So I see no reason in his exclusion of winter wonderland. Pretty disappointed he threw it under the rug
I watch it every year with my family. ⛄
I remember watching Frosty amd being excited because the sequel was on after it and no one ever played the sequel.
My dad wanted to change it and I insisted that I liked the sequel.
"Frosty Returns" started and I was just confused and had to explain that this was not the sequel I liked and maybe it's the thrird one or something.
My dad said those were the only 2, but "The Legend of Frosty the Snowman" was the sequel I had remembered.
I thought this was the weird 2000s sequel with the zombie daydream sequence.
I also liked the John Goodman "Flintstones" movie.
Yeah. I have the same thoughts about Frosty the Snowman as you. In a way it’s pretty long with filler.
Same way I felt with the PowerPuff Girls Christmas special.
OK So I actually liked and still like this one! Watched it every holiday season on VHS. With the original frosty (which I think is my fave Rankin-bass special). Their was just a strangeness to it that I have always liked. I have also seen "The Legend of", and I will also agree it's good too. Thought I haven't seen it in a while, I should get tot that. But anyway, I still liked your video very fun.
Rankin/Bass, The Studebaker of animation.
5:13 Also think the Flinstones movie isn't that bad either
"Let's design a cartoon character who is a snowman"
**NOSE ISNT A CARROT**
The song literally says he has a button nose, buddy.
Wasn’t there a Frosty special where he got married?
Frosty’s Winter Wonderland, from the mid-70s.
@@markintexas3030 The only one aside from the Rudolph crossover that was made by Rankin/Bass.
Ya know, Frosty *kinda* sounds like George Carlin😅
Thomas is a tank engine who lives at a big station on the Island of Sodor.
'Frosty Returns' wasn't nearly as good as the original, or the Rankin/Bass produced follow ups before that. Bill Melendez is good at emulating the 'Peanuts' art style, but he just couldn't emulate the Rankin/Bass art style. It also feels like a 'Peanuts' special, and not the fondly remembered ones. 'The Legend Of Frosty' look like a huge step up from 'Frosty Returns'. The animation looks decent, and Frosty is more 'on model' here than in 'Returns'.
Love your voice
First!
(I'm a big fan of your work. Your Emoji Movie review made me crack up so hard)
What do you mean frosty,s winter wonderland is 2d
Oh also I know you did a video talking about Rugrats all grown up ages ago, and how you mentioned you weren’t a big fan of Rugrats at the start of it, but do you still plan to talk about your thoughts in regards to the original at all? You should at least definitely look at my favourite episode acorn nuts and diapey butts, which my main profile is actually from funnily enough.
It’s on the Patreon raffle list.
@@mediamementosofficial ahh nice trust me. On the surface it really doesn’t seem like much but a show about babies is probably the most brilliant concept ever!
My opinion on the show is not going to change just so you know. It’s not a bad show, it’s just not for me.
@@mediamementosofficial yeah fair enough then. At one point I didn’t like it that much in my early teen years. I still think it’s miles better than family guy. It honestly sucks nowadays! Ever since 2010-2011 it’s been nothing but painful and cringeworthy to the very end with only a few good redeeming qualities. Even the Simpsons is still better by today’s standards. You know what I mean? Family guy is too far gone now!
I love frosty!!!!
Look how they massacred my boy.
Man, Bill Melendez didn't know what the 1969 Frosty the Snowman was, did he? From the story alone, this special just looks boring, uninteresting, forgettable, and bland.
It was very weird and kind of terrible, but It's definitely at least decent, mainly because of the voice acting.
My brother had the legend of frosty on constantly. I thought it was decent, and as you'd expect, my parents were very offended after the first time we watched it.