Costi Hinn - What does the Bethel movement teach?
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- Jonny Ardavanis is the Lead Pastor at Stonebridge Bible Church in Franklin, TN and the President of Dial In Ministries. He formerly served as the Dean of Campus Life at The Master’s University and as a Camp Director at Hume Lake Christian Camps. Jonny’s heart is to see people understand and love the Word of God and more so, to love the God of the Word. Jonny is married to Caity Jean and they have two precious daughters.
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Is absolutely crazy to me that I have read the book “when heaven invades earth” by bill johnson and was unable to spot those things as total heresy. I thank God for His patience with me that He finally opened my eyes to see the truth
It happens to all of us.
Which parts?
(Ruth Saunders) I have just realized, days ago, that a church I gave been in for 3 yrs. is exactly like them, and that they are teaching a different Jesus and Salvation, and the other things he talks about!
I can't believe I didn't see it all earlier!
In hindsight I never heard the words sin or forgiveness much, if at all. Just heard- be in a right relationship with Jesus; he will save and heal you, set you free, (lots of that); just be in His presence, press in more to Him....
I am shocked, hurt, feel like all these people I was trusting are not honest, like I was duped. I thought they were Christian, not some New Reformation! And yes, I was giving to the church...
It talks about Jesus doing no (recorded) miracles until he was baptized in the Holy Spirit. Which means we also can do amazing things once baptized in the Holy Spirit. We had better do things Gods ways. He says those who love me will do as I command. What did Jesus command?
How is obeying Him wrong?
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“Truth without love is brutality; love without truth is hypocrisy. “
The worst thing about Bethel is well meaning Christians refuse to call out their teaching.
Costi, you kept it respectful and Christlike. Thank you.
“Healing for the soul is still more important than healing for the body.”
Then why does Psalm 103:1-3 speak of all the benefits, which includes forgiveness and healing. Amazing that Peter shared the same, 1 Peter 2:24. Notice they both are written in the same order; forgiveness, then healing, but are the "benefits".
Even John said, the condition of your body is connected to the condition of your soul, 3 John 1:2.
@@petratical apostle Paul wrote most of the New Testament and he still wasn’t completely healed. Jesus Christ also weeped over the cities in which there were no miracles because they did not believe. Perhaps it does have to do with the condition of our souls our mind faith and pride etc. idk but definitely something to question.
@@BarbaraMishkov Vara, what does Gods buffeting him to keep him from being puffed up with the revelations (2 Corinthians 12:7) Jesus gave him, (Galatians 1:12) , have to do with healing for us? No were does it say Paul was sick, as Sickness is not, and never has been, a "thorn in the flesh" that God will not remove! Paul identified physical weakness, insults, hardships, persecutions, lashings (39 times), beatings (5 times), ship wrecks (3 times), getting stoned and left for dead, as being some of the specific techniques of buffeting used against him. No, as Paul did eventually die, but not of sickness, but by the arm of Roman, spurred on by Jewish hatred of Paul’s Gospel.
Healing is for us who believe, as we can be in health, even as our soul prospers (Paul’s certainly did), as our souls prosper through the word (hearing it, studying it, 2 Timothy 2:15)
Along with your mentioning, “ the cities in which there were no miracles because they did not believe”, it corresponds with what Jesus told the blind; “Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” Matthew 9:29. As this all goes along with the old testament scripture; Malachi 4:2
“But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and you shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.”
These wings are the tassels on the robe Jesus wore, as on the four corners of such robe are tassels called Tzi Tziot. These tassels on the hem of the garment were tied in such as way as to represent the 613 commandments of the Old Testament. By desiring to touch the Tzi Tziot of Jesus garment, the woman with the” issue of blood” (Luke 8: 43,44) was saying that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, the covenant which included Psalm 103:2,3 who heals all our disease’s. Then Jesus, for all time, said what brought her healing when he said; ",,,thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace." verse 48, Thanks
@@petratical Interesting point. Thanks for taking the time to answer. To me it seems in my own experience I wasn't healed instantly several times it was a journey and I learned very much and was humbled. I was healed of Lyme disease, then severe knee pain and other things but it wasn't instant like for some...so I suppose God can use healing in different ways for many of us. But idk all the answers that's for sure.
@@BarbaraMishkov Great healing testimonies, and right, whether it is instant or a journey of time, as long as we give God glory, He is healer.
Here is a great song that I play at nursing homes, gives glory to the one deserving of all glory and praise;
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I appreciate the the fact that you can talk about that though and not disrespect them or their pastor. I see other videos where it's mocking and nothing but disrespect.
These two have the most relaxing voices in the kingdom.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow!
Sometimes God takes the disease away from you and sometimes He takes you away from the disease
God is really using people like costi hinn, Justin Peters, John McArthur to expose the truth of these false teachings. Thank you 🙏 I’m grateful to finally really learn the truth in this past few years- keep up the great work and sound biblical teachings. The truth will set you free 🙏🙏🙏🙏
One teacher exposing the other, but got some things wrong himself..
Most of these teachers don’t divide the scriptures like the apostle Paul said to Timothy, Paul said STUDY AND DIVIDE THE SCRIPTURES TO BE WORTHY OF TEACHING IT, if you don’t divide the scriptures it doesn’t make sense, there the time of the Law, there The time of the church, there the time of the seven years of tribulation, then there the millennium, and finally God will make a new earth and a new heaven.
I can’t believe you put MacArthur on your list, he covered up abuse of children in his church, the deacon who was beating his little kids got over 20 years in prison and MacAuthor knew about the whole thing. He don’t deserve to be behind a pulpit just as much as Johnson don’t.
@@lynebenoit5124 cant argue with that!
Absolutely. I was blown away after listening to them and this. So many people are not aware of what is really happening!
Their promotion of the so called Passion Translation is also very disturbing.
The Passion "Translation" is a fanfiction.
We need to spread this Truth further.
I feel so sad for these people who believe in these false teachers.
Thank you for exposing this movement. I have 14 years of study and investigation of Sozo after losing a family member to Bethel Sozo in Redding California. Sozo emphasizes fresh, current, extra-biblical revelation over the written word. They pay lip-service to the “bible” but usually only quote enough passages-usually out of context-to sway the “clients” into believing it is a biblical practice; it is not. The regressive memory therapy movement (RMT) died out in the mid to late 1990s after malpractice lawsuits and overturned convictions resulting from those accused based on false recovered memories. Then, much of the public understood the dangers, however time and events have swept this knowledge from public consciousness. The movement morphed into churches and Bethel Sozo sprang upon the scene, arising from total ignorance of the false recovered memory movement-I have documented proof of this-and now it is growing exponentially. I am in contact with victims from all over the globe who have suffered devastating tragedy and loss, and currently filming a documentary of those harmed.
As a Christian man it blows my mind how many so called Christians can distort the gospel.
It blows my mind how so called Christians are okay letting people tell them what other Christians believe.
Anyone thinking that the leaders of Bethel have "good intentions" but are just going about things in the wrong manner needs to hear testimonies of those who have escaped their false teachings. Lindsay Davis has done very eye opening interviews on their tactics.
Enduring faith is holding onto God through thick and thin. It's faith in who God is.
It seems that Bill Johnson and Bethel Church put people's focus on what God can do for them, rather than on what He has already done in the cross of Christ, and the fact that human beings owe Him honour and worship and obedience.
It's still a "man-centred gospel," rather than the God-centred Gospel.
It seems you haven't actually looked into it for yourself and just believe what you are told about them.
My family n I started to feed homeless every Saturday and we actually got their trust. They started asking us for prayer and they took us in. Recently a “Bethel” group of Christians started showing up in the park and scared all the homeless people away with their crazy beliefs. Terrible!
At least the homeless showed sound discernment.
Keep up the good work. I like the quote: "People don't care what you know until they know that you care." You're doing what Jesus talked about in Matthew 25: "For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me." That's were God's heart is at.
Many Christian leaders (from many different denominations) have been found to be abusing their power and abusing children in their care in recent years. By the same logic, that must surely mean that everyone that says they follow Christ is like that.
Both you and them have a heart for helping those that are in need. If you have strategies that are more effective, then surely it stands to reason that it would benefit everyone to work with the other group to show what you have learnt (in a loving manor). "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”"
Which crazy beliefs would those be?
I am sure thats not true homeless people don't care about in theology in general.
To preface, I would consider myself a charismatic Christian, and one who mostly agrees with Bethel teachings. I want to say, I really appreciate Costi's kindness and humility in this video. He seems very genuine, and wants people to know the true Jesus, and the true gospel. I appreciate and respect that a whole lot!
One of the core misconceptions that they addressed in the video is that Bethel teaches that Jesus lived as only man on Earth, laid down his divinity, and thereby gives us an example as believers to follow in pursuing miracles, and healing, etc.
I would say that I would totally agree with Costi, that if Jesus died as man, then there was no atonement for our sin. Jesus died as God. I believe that Bethel would agree with that, that Jesus walked this Earth fully God, and fully man. I think Bill's argument(which is founded in Phil. 2:5-11), is that Jesus willingly withheld his divine power while on this Earth, and operated in the power of the Holy Spirit while he cast out demons, healed the sick, preached the good news of the Kingdom. Jesus had access to that power anytime he wanted, he was still fully God, and I believe Bill has said that Jesus wanted to model for us what it would look like to be fully yielded to the Holy Spirit. We obviously aren't Jesus, and will never be fully yielded as Jesus was, because he is perfect. But the rest of this life for us, is learning to crucify the flesh, and learning to be yielded to the Holy Spirit, and letting Him have His way in our lives.
All 4 gospel accounts record Jesus being baptized and given the Holy Spirit, and then going into the wilderness for testing. According to scripture, Jesus didn't do any miracles until after he was baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. Maybe Jesus did do miracles before He was baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit, but Scripture doesn't mention if he does or not. I think Bill is arguing that Jesus purposely withheld Himself and his Godly power, and did the miracles as man(meaning in man's human limitation fully empowered by the Holy Spirit). In doing so, gave way for us to walk in the same power of the Holy Spirit today! This might not be the best example, but it's kind of like the tv show Undercover Boss, when the CEO comes and works as a cashier in a local store. At any moment he could use His authority as CEO to promote, demote, fire. However he chooses to be limited to his authority as a cashier.
I think Costi is right, we do need to make sure the core tenets of our faith are in line, which include a right view of Jesus. I don't think they are fully understanding Bethel and Bill Johnson's view of Jesus being both fully God and fully man. I hope this better clarifies Bethel's view on the matter.
Lastly, just again really appreciate Costi and his desire for unity amongst believers, and making sure we are aligned on who Jesus is, and the true gospel!
.......man I think your right. Very well said. Everything ✝️
The problem is we have no diect Bible verses indicating that Jesus ”laid aside” his divinity. In fact it seems the very opposite is the case with the hemorraging woman in Mark 5: 25 where it describes how Jesus perceived the power go out from him without his direct action. So already we come up against problems with Bill’s interpretation.
I’m also a charismatic and want to be fair but in this instance there are some red flags that have to be addressed.
@@JeansiByxan Great and very fair questions! Like you said, the scripture doesn't say he "laid aside" his divinity. Some translations including one of the more accurate word for word translations(NASB) says Jesus, "emptied" himself. Other translations say he gave up his divine privileges. I would say that it's totally fair to question the interpretation of that passage to mean, that he laid aside this spiritual power, and authority. It isn't super clear, what the scripture means by Jesus "emptying" Himself. I think as long as Christians can agree on Jesus being fully God and fully man, I think there is room for differing interpretations. I think my point mentioned previously, was that I think people are misunderstanding Bethel's stance because of semantics. I believe Bethel believes that Jesus was fully God and man as he walked the Earth.
However, here is why I personally agree that I think Jesus limited Himself while on the Earth, and walked in the power of the Holy Spirit.
In John 5:19 and 5:30 Jesus says, "I can do nothing of myself".
In the Mark 5:25 passage you referenced, my interpretation, is that he discerned through the Holy Spirit that power left Him.
In Acts 19:11-12, the scripture mentions that even Paul's handkerchiefs and aprons were healing people. Paul certainly isn't God, but the power of the Holy Spirit on Him was healing people.
I think when men and women of God(by the Holy Spirit) put to death the flesh, we let the Holy Spirit flow through our lives. The more our flesh which is decaying and corrupting, dies, and the more yielded to the Holy Spirit we are, the more Christ will come out as we interact with the lost, with our families, coworkers. The more in times of hardship, the peace and joy of Christ will reign in our hearts and minds. The more in times of stress, His love will flow through us, when don't feel like loving. We aren't perfect, and praise God for his abundant mercy and grace. Jesus however was perfect, in being so was a perfect vessel for the Holy Spirit to flow through. I believe Jesus could've accessed His divine power at any moment, but I believe He wanted to model for us what it could look like to let the Holy Spirit fully have His way.
Except that Jesus said “believe that I am who I say I am by the miracles that I do”. John 10:38. The works testify to his divinity, not just to his access to the Holy Spirit, as a man. Not just that, Jesus Christ was completely sinless. We all have access to the same Spirit he did, but we sin. That sets us apart from Jesus; it is not just the Holy Spirit that he had as a man, but as God, that made him sinless. Therefore he did not with hold his divine power, his divine power is what made him sinless. He also knew people’s circumstances and read their minds, something humans cannot do with or without the Holy Spirit, none of the apostles for example was able to know that someone had 5 husbands (woman at the well) or what they were thinking. Jesus Christ did not just operate as a man wielding the Holy Spirit, but as God
The hope is many youth in the NAR movement will learn discernment and find reformed Christianity and not become bitter from disappointment from false teaching. Emotional times and they use it!
I met Costi's dad in 1982 in Drayton,ontario.He stayed at our house for 4 days while he preached at the pentecostal church next door to us.Costi was only a few months old so we never got to meet him.We saw his dad Henry a few years later in Edmonton and he said he didn't remember us but I saw that he did .we've never seen him since except on my computer.too bad. I would loved to have met Costi.
Costi Hinn, I am applauding you for speaking the truth. Keep speaking the truth, may you have the courage, confidence and love to spread the truth.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏽God open eyes 🔥🙌🏽
Read the Bible again and again, pray for wisdom.
A lot of wolfs in sheep clothes.
Sad.
But God is bigger.
Thank you for your thoughtful and respectful expose of Bethel. Clearly engaged in false teaching regarding our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul made it very clear that false teachers are accursed.
I would encourage you to go and watch bethel teachingS in their entirety instead of letting someone who has nothing to do with them tell you what they believe and teach.
One of the main issues with the Bethel movement is that they have as a goal the "power," as they view it, of the Spirit being manifested, so to do this, they have changed the Gospel (Jesus was just a man in right relationship with God) and they have embraced New Age and occultic practices with the excuse that "the enemy has taken those tools from us and we need to reclaim them" (literally what it says in their book of The Physics of Heaven). If you are using and encouraging occultic practices then your are practicing abominations (Deut. 18).
So good, thank you for the content
Thank God for the illuminating power of the Holy Spirit to convict every SINCERE heart searching for the truth!Once upon a time „many of us“ were also in error! Had it not been by the generous GRACE and mercy of our Lord and Savior, where would „we“ (former Pentecostals) stand theologically today?
Thank you for this somewhat challenging interview! Grace, peace and wisdom from God the Almighty be yours always! ♥️ 🙏
True! I was also once deceived. Once in this movement as well but by God’s grace He took me out of this movement and separated me from them. I am walking with God alone in my journey. Longing for true Christian family who really searches for the Truth, who searches only Christ alone. One day, the Lord will bring me to the right people and I am still praying that my friends who have been still in the same movement will someday see the truth. I pray that the Lord will open their eyes. It is indeed true, the more you see the truth, the more holiness you will see in your life, and because of that many ( those who follow error) will hate you, persecute you.. you might feel alone after getting separated from this movement but the Lord God is with you and you really never are alone.
@@jeffrheadaresDear brother/sister in Christ! Thank you for sharing your heart. May I recommend a beautiful piece of music to you for encouragement? It is actually the first song sung by „The Master‘s Chorale at Grace Community Church“. It addresses the concluding sentence of your comment: „we are never alone…“ !!! These young students sing many other heartwarming songs which you will find on TMU = The Masters University! Besides continue to pursue with all diligence the excellent teaching of John MacArthur, so that you are equipped to share the gospel with as many people as you are led to approach. I tell you a method which works for me: Before I leave the house
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I pray for the Holy Spirit to bring 3 persons my way, whom He has in mind for a Gospel talk. It works if you take the first approach.
Thank you for this. One of the most humble, edifying commentaries on Bethel. So much commentary on this topic is “us” vs “them”, which a lot of times, leads to arrogance and divisiveness. We should have space for affirmation and correction like this, with a basis on Scripture.
The Body (whichever denomination we are in) will make mistakes because we are human. But if we do not balance truth with love, and if we do not exercise humility, we let the enemy win when we’re supposed to look out for each other (Phil 2:4).
Let’s keep a close watch on ourselves and the teachings we preach and practice. So that we may save ourselves and our hearers (referencing 1 Tim 4:16). Like Paul did in warning about false doctrine, let us aim to have love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith (referencing 1 Tim 1:6), to actually want the best for each other as brothers and sisters.
So that God gets the glory. Blessings.
God himself said there is a divide, separation of the ''Sheep'' From the ''Goats''. The reality is, if you teach contradictory messages to what is in the Bible, you're lost, and have the spirit of the Anti Christ. The Bible Teaches us this. Now being filled with hate is a different story, love them but pray for them.
Titus 1:16 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
We all need to walk cautiously and reflect daily, for living in Truth and following Godliness is the path.
@@harrymurray9702 - IMO, the OP's point is that we are in our separate denominations seeing things ( Bible included ) differently. And we ALL will get things wrong. In my added opinion, the verses you cited didn't fully address the Reality that we Brothers and Sisters in Christ will NOT see eye-to-eye on lifestyles, ethics, even tastes. So, you might be averse to metaphorically "eating meat sacrificed to idols" while I am absolutely not. Or vice versa. In that regard, it is imperative that you and I do not play God as if we are Mind Readers and making ourselves out to be as God in doing inventories on each other where we see sin. It's not as easy as it sounds, for sure, because life is not meant to be static, but a Path of Salvation until we physically die. It's not all about "Truth", for without Grace, and our responsibility to be consistently humble, i.e. knowing our place not "playing God", then we are clanging cymbals. A whole lot of noise that is hard on the ears. "Godliness" encompasses far, far more than what is usually preached and pronounced in these YT Comments sections.
@Daniel - Thought I'd least say an "Amen" to you! ( If you ever see this. LoL ) Seldom do I see what strikes me as a deeper message about Love involving not only Truth, but the vital ingredient of Humility. To me, in some ways this appears obvious, no? Being re-born requires humility in accepting our place under God. ( Wish I remembered where I read the quote ( paraphrased ) that said: "We come to Christ in humility. Then we spend the rest of our lives forgetting to be humble." I think it was some Catholic Bishop. )
My idea ( at least one notion ) of wanting the best for my Brother or Sister is to NOT be me! Simple enough, but we are not a cult, and I do not worship the Cult Leader as God. He is our Creator, amazingly powerful in His creativity, including the variety of temperament, skills, aesthetics, vision for Truth, in the human race. I cannot convince my TULIP Presbyterians out of their theology, nor can they fully persuade me to agree with them. Nor do I jive with the Prosperity Gospel, yet I align with Charismatics in other ways they see Power, Authority, Vision of / in the Spirit. And I've had this conversation with my overall more conservative Christian buddy for years how we have VASTLY different views on Entertainment ( TV/Movies/Music ), drinking, speech, work, comedy. If we were both hard-lined about our views and used Scripture to battle it out, then we wouldn't be as good of friends as we are. In Love, we disagree, but extend respect in basically respecting each other in our uniqueness under God. We challenge each other by living our lives, and "sharpening" comes through giving each other space to think for ourselves, struggle, make mistakes, while not playing Hypocrite.
Part of the problem comes when I am tempted ( by my Flesh, the Enemy, or both working in unison ) to elevate myself above my Brother and call out his sin. If we are being serious about sin, I mean truly serious, then it can show up in many facets of life / attitude / rationalization. Which is why I do roll my eyes when Conservative Christians bring up certain sins more ( usually of a sexual nature ), but leave out other sins on the level of "abomination". Liberal Christians bring up certain sins more ( usually of a lack of compassion, those of injustice ), but turn away from their own arrogance or hypocrisies. Aren't we all hypocrites in our own ways? Aren't we all working out our salvation throughout life?
My Final 2 Cents: It is very easy to point out the sin in our Brother's eye. And what I would add is that it is very tempting. As in: It can lead to sin real quick in that there is a FINE LINE between bringing up sin in another VS crossing over into pride that "we" are not in any way whatsoever guilty of that sin. Really? I lean towards: Much more often than now you and I and the Church are. If that teaching of Christ were taken to heart across the world, imagine what the Kingdom of God would look like on Earth.
Grace, Truth, Laughter, Love to Us All.
AMEN Daniel!! 🙏
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Well spoken brother
Really good video. Bethel's concerning view of Jesus is something the wider church needs to be alerted to.
The problem is that's not what they teach.
@@metalmonkee2896 Have you read Bill Johnson’s book?
@@davidwhunt which one?
Need to know more about their WIERD Grave sucking practices….
Let's say - if Bill Johnson were to watch this interview, and if he were humble enough to quietly admit to himself "yeah, Costi's right" - I'm afraid he might freeze with fear - because it would cost him everything to change... As a regular human who has built up such movement, and invested so much of his reputation, he could not walk away. He has to keep on.... It's a trap that he can't escape from. And yet - God is ready and merciful enough to accept his repentence. Let's be honest, there are so many false teachers and doctrines today - and it can be depressing - but in each one - as in this interview - there is the joy of hearing the Gospel.....
“Seek me and live; but do not seek Bethel" (Amos 5:4b-5) Taken out of context, but seems appropriate here. Bethel doesn't mind taking Scriptures out of context. What will they do with this?
The problem is it's not bethel taking things out of context. It's costi taking what bethel teaches out of context. You can watch hours of bethel teaching online and then you can make up your own mind about them.
“How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.”
1 Corinthians 14:26-31, 37-40
Thank you for your conversation around this idea.
Very clearly and loving said
I remember when our church had a worship night and Bethel was the musical guest. I had a former friend with me there who had a disease that she'd had for years and when they did the "healing" portion of the night (which I wasn't expecting, I wasn't too familiar with Bethel at the time) I got a little excited. They had all this "knowledge" about people in the audience with random aches and pains, but not once mentioned anything close to what my friend was going through (she has Lyme disease). I remember thinking it was strange, they seemed to be so "in tune" with the audience.
Derren Brown will expose their tricks for you. Once you see, you can't unsee.
@@Permissiontospk 'Healed quite genuinely and regularly'? How do you know this? It is mind manipulation techniques that are used, along with thought stopping techniques. It's what every conman does, every dictator, every narcissist or bully. Please do some research and some bible study. They are false to the bone.
@@PermissiontospkThey aren't real. All a sham. MATTHEW 7:21-23
What worries me about Bethel is possible transfere of kundaliny spirit and to much of chasing of signs and wonders.
I dont know about everybody else but I don't get caught up in the middle of the " theologocally correct/incorrect, we won't sing these songs because etc etc etc brigades" . I try to pray, read my bible and let the Holy Spirit guide and teach me.....I'm a follower of Jesus and I try to live and do all that he aks me to do.
You are being obedient. There are those like me who dig into these things and help the body to stay on track. It's just a difference of gifts.
(Ruth Saunders) Well, I have stopped listening to anything from Bethel church, or anything else in New Apostolic Reformation (Jesus Culture, Hillsong, Elevation, esp.) as soon as I found out about Bethel Church and NAR being completely off the rails.
Which Bible? They have their own Bible written by a man who got a computer chip in his brain while visiting the library of Jesus. I’m not making this gunk up. His brain was expanded? God breathed on him? I read some of this new translation. It supports what they teach. It’s a bethel commentary, not a translation.
This guy claims he saw a 22nd chapter of John that Christ is going to give him. Up, oh.
We must examine those who have taken on the role of pastor, minister, preacher, teacher as the Scripture tells us to do. We do this in order to never follow those in error.
@@Wanda4849 I agree with that, I have recently left a church for that very reason.
I watched this video because I’m so grievously concerned for a dear friend who’s a member of Bethel. He’s become more and more focused on proving the strength of his faith for things which aren’t scripture to be fulfilled, (ie.God told me I was going to have the money I need without having to secure a paying job) and now he’s in a very precarious position. Take away all the supposed misunderstandings about what the leader of Bethel believes. Is this church focusing its members on what Jesus has done for them, or are they focusing members on what THEY should do for Jesus and proving their empowerment?
“Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,”
Philippians 2:5-9 NASB1995
In the likeness of men, in appearance as a man.
This interview leaves a lot of questions unanswered.
Maybe you can list them here.
Brother Costi, I do appreciate your gracious and humble tone. As mentioned in another post I definitely have theological disagreements with Bethel but find no evidence they teach anything heretical (please see other post). I would greatly encourage you to reach out to Pastor Bill Johnson directly and ask him what he truly believes, do an interview with him so the whole body of Christ can know. I believe this would be the best place to begin. Dr Michael Brown had Bill Johnson on his show and asked him a lot of hard questions, it was very helpful to hear his responses!
Bill Johnson has proven himself publicly to be a dyed in the wool false teacher.
Thanks for your comment. No man is infallible, but I trust Dr. Michael Brown and will view that video. I'm going to reference your comment in my general comment on this topic.
praying for your son Costi in JESUS NAME.
I think the Bethel folks actually teach a “functional kenosis” not an “ontological kenosis”. A lack of theological training has resulted in unclear language, but they still affirm Jesus was God.
Jesus emptying himself of His God abilities(aka, Functional Kenosis) is taught in the New Testament. See Philippians 2:5-8, John 17:5.
But other places say that Jesus knew what was in the heart of men which shows omnipotentance. He clearly had divine abilities because he was able to command the sea to cease and even raise himself from the dead. Jesus always had all the divine abilities and attributes but He decided to cover his abilities with his human nature.
Nah, J teaches that Jesus was just a man in right relationship with God and that's why he could do what he did. If thats the case than Jesus was a sinner and needed to be saved and come into a right relationship with God. Jesus therefore would have needed to be born again. I would love to hear J explain and expound upon that.
@@tomk4984 He knew what was in men’s hearts by revelation of the Holy Spirit. The same Spirit he gives to us. For an example, See 1 Cor 14:25.
When he commanded the sea, he was clearly using divine authority, the same he extended to us. “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.”
John 14:12
Even in his resurrection he was not setting himself apart from us “But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”
Romans 8:11
In all things he was emptied and then filled with the Spirit. In all things He is our example.
Thank you for the video and thank you costi hinn for answering the question, needed to hear this today as I am slowly understanding what is true and what is the nonsense in what I learned from my past interactions with Christian.
Why ask costi what bethel believes when you could just ask someone from bethel?
@@metalmonkee2896 do you go to bethel? If you have more answer to add please share
@@zhentu5169 I don't go to bethel.
@@zhentu5169 I went to the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry.......
Great content. Great channel.
Another Jesus means another gospel, another baptism and spirit, another church and ultimately another hope and God. Ephesians 4:4,5
A quote I was sent was something along the line of "All the trials and test lead us to rest our heads on the pillow of God's Sovereignty". Just thought I would share this with you.
I will have an enduring faith that Jesus is Lord and He is coming back regardless of what miracles He gives me.
Jesus never tells us to have enduring faith in miracles but over and over to believe in Him and endure in that.
John 14:12
@@clintmartin5809 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. (John 14:12, NASB)
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." (John 6:29, NASB)
Jesus then said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. (John 6:32, NASB)
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:40, NASB)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. (Galatians 5:22-24, NASB)
@@rogerwalters6443 there you go,you just answered yourself-be blessed
@@clintmartin5809 Did I?
Tell me why did Elijah win against jezebel in chronicles.
But we find the second Elijah to have been beheaded by jezebel?
And why did not John the baptist perform many miracles so that he might not be killed?
@@rogerwalters6443 l don’t understand the John the Baptist question mate. John was the greatest prophet though..
Glad to see there's still a 2010's Christian Hipster keeping the flame alive.
Why am I laughing so hard in agreement 😂. Reminds me of a time where Urban Outfitters made clothes that looked like they were thrifted, played lots of Local Natives and Vampire Weekend, and sold vinyl players.
Am I so glad to hear this.... Christ is the God-man and that's it. Imagine me saying I'm quenching my thirst with oxygen bound to 2 hydrogens but not was water... like what ?!?
I think this also plays into the "Little God's " doctrine as well.
This is really good.
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's semi-empty bookshelf."
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's semi-empty bookshelf."
I thought I was the only one,my thought as I'm listening,is how .my books would be overflowing and semi falling out of that shelf,with notes and paper markers sticking out everywhere,lol
Really good stuff. Bethel teaches a number of concerning things, especially the two mentioned.
1. Their teaching on Christology.
2. Their teaching on God's will to heal everyone. I am glad that Bethel has backed off a bit on that 2nd belief.
I have a question about the first. If it say on their beliefs page that Jesus is "true God" and "true man", but merely acts in his personhood in the miraculous, are we still as concerned about their Gospel? Assuming it contains the other necessary Biblical elements?
thanks
Yes. Jesus would not be a worthy sacrifice for our sins if he was not completely divine.
I appreciate the gentleness with which Costi speaks of Bill and Bethel. I have been following this church for many years and as I am hearing you quote When Heaven Invades Earth, I can see how there might be confusion about their beliefs regarding the divinity of Christ. From the hundreds of hours I have spent listening to Bethel teachings, I have never been under the impression that Bill or anyone else do not believe that Jesus has always been 100% God. What Ian Bell said below I think is right on - sometimes their language is unclear which is really unfortunate. Please see Bethel's first video of the Rediscovering series at 21:40 to hear Bill affirm his belief that Jesus is always fully God.
Totally agree!! I thought this way until I myself experienced healing and his Amazing voice and Presence 🔥🔥
@@denetrodriguez5432 Did you have to be physically healed and "feel" things, in order to believe in Jesus??
When you said you heard God's "voice," were you talking about the WORD of God (per: The Bible)??
You've just scratched the surface. There are their beliefs and there are the practices which are manifested through the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry (BSSM). It's a mixture of truth and error in theology and in practice. One of Bill Johnson's defining statements is "I was born for revival". He says he has studied revival throughout history and believes he knows why revival is short lived. He believes that he can bring about a revival that can be sustained indefinitely. That's the purpose of BSSM, Bethel music and the books he writes. It's his venue for creating and sustaining revival and it has worldwide influence. So, he has taken God out of the equation and put the responsibility on himself, his organization, and whoever he can influence. That, I believe, is the catalyst that has led him into error. Unfortunately, it has led many other people around the world into error also.
We are warned in scripture about this kind of thing. There would be false apostles, false prophets and false teachers among us (2Co. 11:13) (2Pet. 2:1) (1Jn. 4:1) (Mt. 7:15-20). So, how do we know who the genuine apostles, prophets and teachers are today. By the fruit they produce. There will be no error in what they say and do. They won't be building their own kingdom or promoting themselves. They will be strong promoters of Jesus and the kingdom of God. They will do no harm to the people of God, only what's useful for building up the body of Christ.
We will know who the false teachers are by the discernment given to us by the Holy Spirit.
I kept believing until the day mum died and I was okay with it but I am never ever going to judge anyone who does not believe that they are going to get a miracle if believing that they are going to get a miracle causes more pain for them.
Thank you for upholding the real Jesus the Son of God! Continue speaking the Truth about Jesus and only the Truth for Truth is His Name! Let no one mess with Jesus the Son of God! I love Him passionately! Let us believe, honour, revere and fear Jesus showcasing Him to the world as He really is!
He is Lord
I think they want to jump to the end of the story in being like Jesus. They want to perform the miracles. They forget the first step. He lived a perfectly sinless life for 30 years first.
Nicely put mate
Truth matters! Jesus is the truth. Thank you brothers.
So basically a “Man” wrote a book and now you follow it…God Help us
Jeremiah 17:5
Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord.
Costi rather than condemn showed correction. Rather than judgement and divisive commments showed truth in love. Great to see.
So what do we do with 2 Corinthians 5? He said to be Ambassadors. What does should that mean to us? Preach and heal.
Heal and preach. Why do we only preach and not offer to pray for healing?
Great video, loved the grace he had on Bethel.
17:30
Amen.
Thank Almighty God for both of you.. I'm struggling with Bethel believers, pick & mix 'christians' who believe bits of the bible and loads of other deviations.. it seems as if true bible believers are becoming a lost minority and pretty much irrelevant in today's world.. but thank Almighty God He knows, loves and will sustain us to the end.. Praise be to the only one true God of the Bible... Amen
I've met allot of people who have gone through bethel and I can safely say none of them are what these types would have you believe.
@@metalmonkee2896 Bethel believes in grave sucking and the 7 Mountain Mandate...They believe that "Christians" can read peoples's fortunes by "prophesying" and using "Christian cards" that are a lot like tarot cards...They are told to go and "prophesy" over everybody and if they don't know what to say "Just make something up."
@@caroleimani9754 you know what, the last one is sorta true but not what you think, none of the other stuff is practiced or taught. You need to look inti those other claims a little deeper. I suggest going to the source rather than believing what people tell you about bethel.
I’m trying to understand why Costi seems hesitant to call Bill Johnson out as a false teacher? He is very carefully stepping around using that phrasing and I was just curious why? Did I just miss him saying it?
Maybe he wants listeners to find out on their own by delving into the scriptures and into prayer? Just a thought 🤔
He very much is emphasizing his gentleness in this interview.
He exemplified beautiful humility
@@jessicazimmerman9627 - except that he calls out the false doctrine being taught. It doesn’t make sense to me to do that, but hesitate at calling the one pushing that doctrine a false teacher. Especially in these last days where we know apostasy is rampant. This can and should be still be done in love, pleading with this teacher to return to sound doctrine, but we shouldn’t be afraid to call out false teachers for what they are.
@@bt8208 - I agree, and actually really appreciate the carefulness with which he chooses his words, but isn’t it important for the sake of the church, and for the hopeful restoration of the false teacher, to call out the truth in love?
If he has this gift , why is he not healing all of the children in the hospitals that are dying of cancer ? If it’s God’s will to heal everyone , why are children dying? Oh- the parents don’t have faith. That’s mental and mind manipulation !!! They’re disgusting. What a way to keep their narrative. It’s not that they can’t heal, the issue it’s because so and so doesn’t have enough faith. 🙄🙄🙄
Also, how about Hebrews 4:15? He was able to EMPATHIZE with us, as a man, bc He gave up His Divinity - for a time
Someone comes up to me or anyone and says: 1) believe in Jesus-specifically that he died for your sins. 2) repent 3) get baptized. 4) read the word and go to church. If some one does this and does not understand all of the technicalities e.g., was he man, the son of man, Lord in the flesh and all of the theological stuff etc….. are they saved? Isn’t a child like understanding all it takes to be saved?
Why was Christ called the last Adam in scripture? Would love to here an explanation on this…
Costi could you please explain Acts 2:22 in what Bill teaches and you teach.
Costi Hinn, waiving the banner of truth high, for all to see. Rebuking false doctrines of NAR.
yes but unfortunately he misquotes Bill Johnson at the beginning of this video... Johnson says that while Jesus is 100% God he is saying effectively he chose to leave his power behind...
"WHILE HE IS 100 PERCENT GOD, He chose to live with the same limitations that man would face once he was redeemed.
He made that point over and over again. Jesus became the model for all who would embrace the invitation to invade the impossible in His name.
He performed miracles, wonders, and signs as a man in right relationship to God…not as God." (When Heaven invades Earth - kindle ch2 p4)
But the NAR is false, it was formerly known as latter rain or manifest sons of God.. they have all gone beyond scripture to get more power, just have a look at Bethels book The Physics of Heaven, that is truly the icing on the crumbling cake !!! and it is taught at their bible school which means they are infecting the whole world with their new age teaching..
I think they are going to massively lend to the end times apostasy... NAR being outside of church structures and any church can come under them. There are a couple of Vineyard churches in the UK who have been taken over by them...
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“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”
Mark 16:15-18
I dont understand, are you using these scriptures that you've commented to argue for Bethel or against.
@@freejoeles I posted for a reminder, God's words speak for itself.
So go drink some poison then. No? Perhaps not? Perhaps this power was for the foundation of the church, the apostolic age? We clearly see this power in the apostles, we simply do not see it after the end of the apostolic age.
@@sspicer549 Didn't Paul teach to desire spiritual gifts to church leaders and believers in Corinth? He taught them how to conduct themselves in church settings regarding the Gifts of the Spirit, he also told them to covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.
What is not in the Bible.. is Paul saying that only the apostle have these abilities, in fact, what we see in the book of Acts is almost every believer receiving one or more gifts, when they are filled with the Holy Spirit.
@@sspicer549 1 Corinthians 14
1.Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts..
26 Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you.
27 No more than two or three should speak in tongues. They must speak one at a time, and someone must interpret what they say. 28 But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately.
29 Let two or three people prophesy, and let the others evaluate what is said. 30 But if someone is prophesying and another person receives a revelation from the Lord, the one who is speaking must stop. 31 In this way, all who prophesy will have a turn to speak, one after the other, so that everyone will learn and be encouraged. 32 Remember that people who prophesy are in control of their spirit and can take turns. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace, as in all the meetings of God’s holy people.
39 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues]
Is Costi saying he doesn't believe there's any sort of tongues? Why would Paul give instructions on how to properly pray in tongues then? (With an Interpreter)
Great video. When we try to alter Jesus from who he really was, the implications are far reaching and destroy sound doctrine.
I am a foreigner，Could your videos have cc English subtitles？
Read the John MacArthur Study Bible. Jesus is with you.
You can turn on subtitles in English.
Bethel has a Dominionism theology that in itself says so much.
Amen and that is a good thing
You're too kind towards the Rediscover Bethel series. They never admit doing or teaching anything wrong. No apologies or repentance. All they do is speak double-tongued. When Bill walked back his statement "not as God" he did not admit changing his beliefs. He outright said he believes what he wrote in When Heaven Invades Earth, even though he won't say it any longer.
Let me preface this by saying I have many issues with Bethel but I believe we need to sharpen our arguments against them and that the “Not as God” arguments is not a valid complaint against them.
At my work I am both a developer and a manager and I have developer privileges and manager privileges to perform certain actions.
When training a new developer, I will let them watch how I work as a developer. Even though I can use my manager overrides to perform actions differently, I show them how to work as a developer and I limit my capabilities for their sake. At all times I am both fully a developer and a manager and never have I given up being a manager or stopped having that authority.
This is all I believe Bill Johnson was saying in that statement and this belief would not be classified as heresy.
I would love to hear a thought out rebuttal though if you have one.
@@GradoniusTheWise you didn't acknowledge my point. To further explain the problem, Bethel theology leads to:
Different Christ - laid his divinity aside, was born again, gave us his anointing
Different Father - who is dependent on us to release His will on earth
Different Holy Spirit - appears as a cloud of gold dust, looks like a blue djinni, causes people to act like animals and crazy laughter
Different gospel - adding perfect health, abundance of wealth, and power to perform miracles on demand
Different atonement - Christ died for spiritual, physical, financial, emotional healing....and oh yeh forgiveness of sins
Different source of authority - Bible plus modern day Apostles
Different practices - file tunnels, grave soaking, decreeing, not praying "according to your will God", everything at BSSM
DIfferent ways of hearing from God - prophets, dreams, words of knowledge, and a new prophetic Bible version "The Passion Translation"
It's a cult, an apostate church, a heretical church. Just as far off as Catholics, JWs, Mormons, Moonies. If it doesn't mislead people to hell, it certainly stunts their ability to know and worship God in spirit and truth.
Dear family, please read," the inescapable love of God" by Thomas Talbot
Berean Literal Bible
In this, love has been perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment that, just as He is, also are we in this world.
-1 John 4:17
Resurrected - in the day of judgment
The way I understood it about healing other people now, as disciples of Jesus is from this Scripture:
1 Corinthians 12:5-12: There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
Jesus could do all these because He was and is Jesus, but we each have a calling. I don't have a calling for healing, personally, but that doesn't mean I'm not a disciple. But I think some people have a calling - that's their Egypt that God rescued them from, and now is using to rescue others from as well.
I do know there is this Scripture:
John 14:12-14: “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
I guess this is where the Jesus 2.0 would come from. I haven't done greater works than these though and I haven't felt called to, personally.
I think this was a great video! It's my first time seeing both of you and hearing about the Bethel movement - I really loved it! I loved the love and respect you guys showed! Thank you so much for making this video! God bless you both, abundantly!! :) :) :)
This the overarching problem with the Reformed theology- idk if its a lack of faith, or just they perhaps may be indoctrinated, or human philosophical thought( in another word mans interpretation ) has gone between them and the Bible. i agree with this video, but i feel like they overlook 1 Corinthians 12:5-13
@@christianperez7025 I agree. I have noticed the same thing, once I looked into more videos like this one. I think it also could be studying the Word of God, but not applying it practically. The more I do what Jesus says, the more I understand everything better and am able to keep His Commandments more by the Power of the Holy Spirit. 😀
@@totalemotionalfreedom Encounter Ministries TH-cam page. (Mark Hemans)
The crux of the Bethel movement is swapping places with God.
I command the healing and he does it, I speak words into existence, I’m just like Jesus because I have the Holy Spirit just like him.
Actually, God does the healing and we command it.
@@57andstillkicking so you command God?
@@ashdivakaran9664
No, we command the sickness.
"Jesus is God, eternally God, and never stopped being God. But He was also man, completely man." Bill Johnson - 2012.
Look at that, Him and Costi agree.
No, this means johnson contradicts himself. A so called apostle would not do that. Johnson wants it both ways. He is very slick in doing this.
Actually this would be johnson agreeing with the bible
@@Mariana-nc6ky Yep. Did you watch the video? Just wondering why you're missing my point.
Johnson always says A something deemed herectical and B something contradicting that meets christian teaching afterwards… famous damage control. He clearly wrote on his book.. Jesus did his miracles as a man, not as God. And that’s only one of the multiple issues with Bethel.
It is always Gods will to heal everyone!
“I left Trophimus sick at Miletus….”
Then Christians would always be healed and that is untrue.
And they will say... When God heals, does not always mean they are out of disease. It can be healed spiritually, when we have peace with it. Or even death, we are healed from our worldly pain.
Please pray for riverlife baptist church in qld to help them on Bethel.
Thank you to those who will pray for this church. Its a mega church!
I attended Riverlife Baptist for many years in my youth - back when it was Kenmore Baptist church. I would love to see them set free from Bethel. Praying for them. Do you attend or have friends/family that go?
@@alexandriahemming8599 yes many!!!! Family, friends, most i know go! Surprise to see someone been there how to email you to talk?? They won't back down once they have started down that road. Its too popular and riverlife is now a massive church. Hardly any biblical church in this land. Its need pastor like john macarthur to come here.
@@alexandriahemming8599 let me know if i can email you???
@@Sherlock245 I’ll keep an eye on all my email folders and will also come back to this page in a couple days to follow up if we still can’t get connected
We confess the sins of our nation
And Lord we are guilty of a prayerless life
We've turned away our hearts from your laws
And have taken for granted your unchanging grace
Turn away this curse from our country
We say that we've robbed you and our storehouses are bare
Open wide the floodgates of heaven
Rebuke the devourer so we may not be destroyed
You said that if we'd humble ourselves and begin to pray
You would heal our barren land, and cleanse us with your rain
Don't pass us by, let this be the generation Lord
That lifts up your name to all the world
Save us oh God
Save a people for yourself oh Lord
Let the fear of the Lord be their standard
Save us oh God
Cleanse us from our unfaithfulness
Let the place where we live be called a house of prayer.
Thanks for the video. Curious where you get the idea that Jesus absorbed God’s wrath from?
Romans 3:25 for one propitiation is a legal term ; Christ satisfied God’s wrath for those whom will believe
Donna Fischer have you looked into the Greek for Romans 3:25? Propitiation is translated from hilasterion, the mercy seat. It does seem to be a bad and biased translation.
From church history..
Caz Lim care to elaborate?
Hi, is this a true trinitarian statement that suggests that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is one of the same, manifest in different forms - one of which was human (Jesus), or a fudge?
"Finally, we are Trinitarian, worshiping God our Father as revealed in His Son Jesus Christ who is revealed and made known to us in our experience by the Holy Spirit, with a destiny to become like Jesus and to be with God."
It reads like three different people to me, not one of the same in all three. Do you think that is so too?
In my Name....
If Jesus was just a man how can He raise Himself from Dead? How can He save another man? How can He be the one to give us Eternal Life that you cannot lose? If Jesus was not God how could His blood save you from sin? How could He be sinless? Everyone has sinned and come short of God's glory, was it a man saying that or a God, because He is not inclusive in that statement? You don't know that Jesus Christ was God? All other prophets had in trace of sin record to them but they had their testimony that they pleased God by Faith. Jesus wasn't a prophet and He never sinned. What do you make of that?
And Bill Johnson’s wife just died of cancer. So devastating, but I hope it tears down their false theology.
Good evening
I say him and Bill Johnson need to talk
Bill Johnson won't listen. He calls any criticism the " religious spirit. "
If we are in the APOSTASY WHAT MAKES THE CHURCH PART OF APOSTASY?? MAYBE LOVING GOD AND MONEY IN MIGHTY BUCKLAND?? YOU CAN'T LOVE GOD AND MAMMON EITHER YOU'LL LOVE ONE AND HATE THE OTHER OR LOVE NEITHER
Costi, what was happening when you were “speaking in tongues”? Do you believe that it was powered by The Holy Spirit or something that was just a human attempt at what you were taught? thx!
i ve had several contacts with Bethel people over the years. I was part of a local house churches movement in the Bay Area that had connections with Redding. I believe BJ is a gifted Pastor and teacher. i experienced some serious issues from those that graduated from the "supernatural school ". They were con artists and misrepresented the genuine article, in my opinion .i wont go into detail but i heard from a Bethel brother who was healed by a 10 year old of stage 3 cancer in the Redding prayer rooms, that this couple were fakes. Bill johnson s testimony is a heart for revival. alla PentacostaL It doesn't reflect on him. much confusion in the midst especially when you bring in the NAR movement etc.
Love the brothers always and speak the truth...
To me he went from one extreme to another.
Bethel doesn't believe Jesus was just a man. I know many people in Bethel and others in leadership they believe Jesus's is God and that he's Lord. Never heard anything different.
They teach He emptied himself of His deity while on earth
@@dfischer5878 I have never heard that taught also most people I know who are from Bethel don't believe that. Even if itbos taught don't think that's a main teaching. All I have everheard from my friends who go to Bethel is that they believe Jesus is God and Lord amd just wamt the world to know him. In Redding Bethel is the most avtive church in Evangelizing and homeless ministry. The just want to point people to Jesus, that being said I totally disagree with some of there theology which is why I don't go, but for the most part people who attend love Jesus want others to know him
That’s not what h is saying. Bill wrote Jesus was doing miracles just as a man, not as God.
Maybe read his book. It is written there! Page 29
No, as you said, Suffering trials and persecutions is not the same as afflictions (sickness), “They that live Godly shall suffer such persecutions" per scripture 2 Timothy 3:12, yet afflictions are separate, as in “many are the afflictions of the righteous yet God deliverers us from them all” Psalm 34:19. Again, “Do not forget all his benefits …who heals us” Psalms 103:2,3. So, even though these healing s are for us today, and his will is to heal, “healing all who were oppressed of the devil” Acts 10:38, it still requires faith; “According to your faith, be it unto you” Matthew 9:29.
Sure, if they (Bethel) teach that Jesus was not God, then that’s wrong, but you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water (so to speak), by you then saying; they got healing wrong too. No, for adding that we can not do the same, thats heresy too! Jesus himself said; “Truly I say unto you, He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” John 14:12
His going to the Father initiated the giving, (Pouring out) the Holy Spirit, as the same Spirit Christ received , we have !
No way, living in sin is not Gods will, nor is living in sickness, according to 1 Peter 2:24, Psalm 103:2,3.
Not sure why people have to tiptoe around calling these heretics what they are. Costi is doing a great work in this area, though
wake up church you can know the truth, and still get mixed up- read the word to know the truth.
Now I'm going to the Bethel page to see what Costi Hinn teaches.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Why not just ask someone from bethel to come on and talk about what they believe.
@@metalmonkee2896 Thanks for getting me, MM>
Jesus healed all brought to him. He never said that the person has to learn humility and dependence on God, and so go home. So what changed now that he does not want to heal everyone? There are many reasons people are not healed, just like there are many reasons people are not saved, but what does God want, what is his will?