@@kaiserkreuz2110 I don't think they did, but they're pretty sure that we can beat it mostly because the game deliberately gives you many powerful tools in the progress They are well aware of how broken it is and expect you to rely on that more than beating those shits traditionally. Which, not what I preferred, but at least its doable. They really just gave us this and say "damn bro nj here's your key item to flex" damn..
@@YurificationTrademark LMAO yeah, I can see that. I was wondering if they really just didn't intend us to use Stratecheese and stuff like that. Kinda sucks, but oh well...
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Yeah, for your sanity, I don't recommend beating these lv 999 fights without cheesing, since Masakado is also one of the worst superboss in the whole series
Holy cow... that's unexpected, somehow, Satan wasn't that troublesome huh (yup, True Masakado's Rush was something else due to how BS is Impaler's Revenge and Masakado himself from the get-go), the Fiends and Demi-Fiend were like the warm-up overall, but yeah... I doubt they playtested this as I could see them think "nobody on their sane mind would attempt to do these fights on challenge Lv.999 mode", well, next time, the SMT staff SHOULD KNOW BETTER that there are people that aren't on their right mind (if we look to this from that potential quote I wrote there POV) and WILL dare to do these stupid challenges... this kinda reminds me of the tale of how the staff of DOOM 2016 failed to do a single full run on Ultra Nightmare difficulty (you know, THAT one that plays with the Nightmare difficulty balances... BUT a single fatal mistake sends you back to square one, something that it's sequel and other games started to implement with different words like Gears of War 4 with the Ironman modifier or Wolfenstein's "Mein Leben" difficutly to mention a few) but at least they DID attempt to playtest it before giving up themselves and leaving that difficulty for those who want to give it a try, interesting they give the Conqueror's Emblem for doing that BS task. That aside, in my current (1st) run of the game, I'm doing it on Canon of Vengeance and like I said on your Masakado's Rush stream, is kinda difficult to keep a neutral aligment, I started in a Law side, but after doing some quests like the one involving Lillim vs Principality I have managed to become chaotic enough to reach neutral for now, so... not only are the story choices, but ALSO some sub-quests can draw you to either law or chaos (like the one I mentioned already or much earlier in the game that one with Asparsas and that other demon I forgot her name, siding with Asparsas makes you go Law while the other choice makes you go Chaos).
Thanks! Well, they did expect some players to go through with it, otherwise the Emblem wouldn't exist. That's wild to me how they thought at least one person would get it. These are not fun fights. Satan was okay but I definitely almost died lol. Too much RNG involved.
Its been a while since I played any smt, but these specific superbosses all at LV999?! Why atlus always give us the sensation of not playtesting some of the superbosses lol For curiosity, how much time/attempts did each of these beasts take you to get your first win against each of them (demi fiend/satan/masakado)??
Yeah, we were all thinking the same thing in chat. There's no way they actually did it themselves, yet they give those who manage it a pat on the back, like "okay?" It confused me a lot ngl. DF took me around 8-10 attempts iirc (the most in terms of raw amount.) Masakado took me around 6 tries to get right (but the most time consuming as each boss rush prior to him lasted at least 15 minutes.) Satan was the "easiest" with 3 attempts (that's why it was done off-stream, I didn't expect to win lol. Shiva and Samael take a lot of time though...)
@kaiserkreuz2110 Thats impressive, very well done! Another question: considering that I remember some of the previous games superbosses having an (often heavy) rng element in their fight, how "constantly" you think these new guys can be beaten with a plan in mind? I remember my old dear DDS demi fiend to be a big learning curve, but he could still end your attempt in some occasion even if your strat was correctly executed because of bad RNG.
@@SimCon02 they can all be learned pretty easily. Satan might be the hardest, and Masakado the most boring by far. Satan has the most RNG, Demi-Fiend can be trolled with, and Masakado has no RNG whatsoever (except the Impaler's Revenge proc from Challenge mode.)
Congrats on beating all 3 EVT battles, now you don't have to play them anymore.. unless you want to try without using strategize (good luck if you do decide to go through that pain). Would've been nice if they gave you something useful afterwards though
I haven't checked what the Conqueror's Emblem does, I just turned off the console. Hopefully... *inhales copium* Thank you! And I might be cooking something for Masakado :3
That’s it… a useless ass key item?! Come on Atlus! Give us a Full 999 Stat Demi Fiend that can be registered! something actually rewarding! Unbelievable :/
Mastema has the same build as in my build video, and Arahabaki has a support tank build (both Endures, weakness coverage and a support move to help with Charge effects.)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Ah, I was wondering about that actually since Mastema survives 2 hits, which means he's got both Endure and Enduring Soul, so I was wondering which skill you killed.
I've lost 10 runs to Satan just summoning one of the female demons then plundering them on the same turn for a guaranteed full heal. Is there a way around this or do u have to cheese/rng? Stuck at lv400.
The way plunder works is he has to use it every 3 turns. Just make sure there's at least one demon at all times and that it's not Hariti or Sarasvati. It already happened to me and I understand your pain.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 ah I heavily relied on masakado and beelzebub for my set ups so i forgot that adversary triggers when u inflict an ailment xD Took me 40 mins just to kill Satan in hard... i cant even imagine how long the virtual battle gauntlet will take me xD
Depending on how you play, it can take from a few minutes (if RNG aligns well) to an hour and a half, I'd say. I don't have that kind of patience, so I used Stratecheese xD
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You know something is up when Shiva is boss 2
Right after Mara of all things
Oh wow I’m actually impressed they gave you a key item considering they don’t give you anything for the regular trainer
I'm flabbergasted by the fact they expected us to beat these bullshit gauntlets. Did they really playtest these? =w="
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I don't think they did, but they're pretty sure that we can beat it mostly because the game deliberately gives you many powerful tools in the progress
They are well aware of how broken it is and expect you to rely on that more than beating those shits traditionally. Which, not what I preferred, but at least its doable.
They really just gave us this and say "damn bro nj here's your key item to flex"
damn..
@@YurificationTrademark LMAO yeah, I can see that. I was wondering if they really just didn't intend us to use Stratecheese and stuff like that. Kinda sucks, but oh well...
Nooo, I was so excited for the stream... oh well, congrats nontheless. I can't wait to get here myself.
Thanks! Yeah, sorry about that. I just wanted to do a single attempt and it paid off lmao, but you'll see how clutch it was.
thats a very weird backhanded way to say they approve of the strategize bullshit...
"If it ain't broke, why fix it?" - ATLUS... probably
the goat completes the virtual trio.
Yeah, although this run was scuffed as hell haha.
I'll stream tomorrow to cook some stuff.
Congratulations, you beat the update, shame that it's near impossible to beat without cheesing like Strategize spam
No way in hell did Atlus play test this stuff lol I give up trying
Masakado should be doable without, but not without any kind of cheese, at least.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Yeah, for your sanity, I don't recommend beating these lv 999 fights without cheesing, since Masakado is also one of the worst superboss in the whole series
@@blastmole299 Yeah. I'm just gonna cook something a bit less cheesy, but still a bit on the cheap side.
Holy cow... that's unexpected, somehow, Satan wasn't that troublesome huh (yup, True Masakado's Rush was something else due to how BS is Impaler's Revenge and Masakado himself from the get-go), the Fiends and Demi-Fiend were like the warm-up overall, but yeah... I doubt they playtested this as I could see them think "nobody on their sane mind would attempt to do these fights on challenge Lv.999 mode", well, next time, the SMT staff SHOULD KNOW BETTER that there are people that aren't on their right mind (if we look to this from that potential quote I wrote there POV) and WILL dare to do these stupid challenges... this kinda reminds me of the tale of how the staff of DOOM 2016 failed to do a single full run on Ultra Nightmare difficulty (you know, THAT one that plays with the Nightmare difficulty balances... BUT a single fatal mistake sends you back to square one, something that it's sequel and other games started to implement with different words like Gears of War 4 with the Ironman modifier or Wolfenstein's "Mein Leben" difficutly to mention a few) but at least they DID attempt to playtest it before giving up themselves and leaving that difficulty for those who want to give it a try, interesting they give the Conqueror's Emblem for doing that BS task.
That aside, in my current (1st) run of the game, I'm doing it on Canon of Vengeance and like I said on your Masakado's Rush stream, is kinda difficult to keep a neutral aligment, I started in a Law side, but after doing some quests like the one involving Lillim vs Principality I have managed to become chaotic enough to reach neutral for now, so... not only are the story choices, but ALSO some sub-quests can draw you to either law or chaos (like the one I mentioned already or much earlier in the game that one with Asparsas and that other demon I forgot her name, siding with Asparsas makes you go Law while the other choice makes you go Chaos).
Thanks! Well, they did expect some players to go through with it, otherwise the Emblem wouldn't exist. That's wild to me how they thought at least one person would get it. These are not fun fights.
Satan was okay but I definitely almost died lol. Too much RNG involved.
i need hop back into smtv
Its been a while since I played any smt, but these specific superbosses all at LV999?! Why atlus always give us the sensation of not playtesting some of the superbosses lol
For curiosity, how much time/attempts did each of these beasts take you to get your first win against each of them (demi fiend/satan/masakado)??
Yeah, we were all thinking the same thing in chat. There's no way they actually did it themselves, yet they give those who manage it a pat on the back, like "okay?" It confused me a lot ngl.
DF took me around 8-10 attempts iirc (the most in terms of raw amount.)
Masakado took me around 6 tries to get right (but the most time consuming as each boss rush prior to him lasted at least 15 minutes.)
Satan was the "easiest" with 3 attempts (that's why it was done off-stream, I didn't expect to win lol. Shiva and Samael take a lot of time though...)
@kaiserkreuz2110 Thats impressive, very well done!
Another question: considering that I remember some of the previous games superbosses having an (often heavy) rng element in their fight, how "constantly" you think these new guys can be beaten with a plan in mind?
I remember my old dear DDS demi fiend to be a big learning curve, but he could still end your attempt in some occasion even if your strat was correctly executed because of bad RNG.
@@SimCon02 they can all be learned pretty easily. Satan might be the hardest, and Masakado the most boring by far.
Satan has the most RNG, Demi-Fiend can be trolled with, and Masakado has no RNG whatsoever (except the Impaler's Revenge proc from Challenge mode.)
Good shit again, curious what that item does but I doubt it does anything sadly lol
We'll see that in tonight's stream. Istg if it unlocks a NG+ mode where every enemy is level 999 it'd be based *huffs copium*
Congrats on beating all 3 EVT battles, now you don't have to play them anymore.. unless you want to try without using strategize (good luck if you do decide to go through that pain). Would've been nice if they gave you something useful afterwards though
I haven't checked what the Conqueror's Emblem does, I just turned off the console. Hopefully... *inhales copium*
Thank you! And I might be cooking something for Masakado :3
That’s it… a useless ass key item?! Come on Atlus! Give us a Full 999 Stat Demi Fiend that can be registered! something actually rewarding! Unbelievable :/
Maybe the item does something. I was too tired to check NPCs and I turned off the console, so I'll see later today *huffs copium*
What skills do you have on your Mastema and Arahabaki? Thanks!
Mastema has the same build as in my build video, and Arahabaki has a support tank build (both Endures, weakness coverage and a support move to help with Charge effects.)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Ah, I was wondering about that actually since Mastema survives 2 hits, which means he's got both Endure and Enduring Soul, so I was wondering which skill you killed.
@@9Final I think it's Great Lament, Freikugel, Almighty Pleromas, Critical Zealot, both Endures and I forgot the last one.
I got throught the first trainer due to making my Sakuya immune to everything. I had no clue theres ones for the superbosses 😔
They're not fun to go through. The bragging rights I'm having right now are insane though lol
How long does it take to farm to Max stats for a full team without using dlc? I’m curious if it’s doable without wasting dozens of hours.
Without DLC, it's doable if you go on Safety and repeatedly do Army of Chaos at level 999. It's even more boring than Mitama farming though...
Trust me its doable but its going to take a very long time the mitama method is trillions times faster
500-600 hours if not less without mitamas to comfortly play, so yeah, not anyone have pation for that.
I've lost 10 runs to Satan just summoning one of the female demons then plundering them on the same turn for a guaranteed full heal. Is there a way around this or do u have to cheese/rng? Stuck at lv400.
The way plunder works is he has to use it every 3 turns. Just make sure there's at least one demon at all times and that it's not Hariti or Sarasvati. It already happened to me and I understand your pain.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Thanks lmao I was gonna go insane. BTW is there still no non-cheese run of the 999 version?
@@electricboogaloo11 Haven't done that yet but I would likely do that like I did with Masakado'
Hold on, did satan have the skill adversary in his og battle? I dont remember that
Always. You trigger it by inflicting an ailment on him (or trying to.) That's part of the reason he's being cheesed by Japanese players lol.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 ah
I heavily relied on masakado and beelzebub for my set ups so i forgot that adversary triggers when u inflict an ailment xD
Took me 40 mins just to kill Satan in hard... i cant even imagine how long the virtual battle gauntlet will take me xD
Depending on how you play, it can take from a few minutes (if RNG aligns well) to an hour and a half, I'd say. I don't have that kind of patience, so I used Stratecheese xD