I appreciate that you bring up Boos because they literally have the same gimmick as boos in having wacky names based on "shy guy" (as boos do in the luigis mansion franchise). The difference is, shy guy variants are treated as unique species, whereas Boos are treated as unique characters of the same species. I think you're right. Shy Guys are just easy variants to make, rather than making new character designs. Need a flying enemy? shy guy with propeller. Need a pointy enemy? shy guy with spear. Need an exploding enemy? shy guy with bomb. Instead of giving us more classic mario enemys (which would have much more potential for merch capital, btw), they just recycle the same easy to draw and model guys. They also only use the mystique of what's under the shy guy masks once in a throwaway cutscene. wasted yet overused material.
I forgot the word for it, but there's a term used in writing for things that you throw in to make the plot make sense. Like if there's something in Star Wars that has a gap ITS THE FORCE, weird thing in Zelda that doesn't make much sense? TRIFORCE. I feel like Shy Guys are used in Mario RPGs to bridge the gap in plot when they don't want to make a whole new character. I know those aren't exactly the same things, but I hope I make sense. I want to like Shy Guys, but every time I see them I feel like they are taking up space for a potential new character. Hopefully Nintendo will one day be more adventurous with their characters again.
@BubbleRift A plot device, but I would liken it more to asset reuse. And yes, Nintendo has been doing this for years. Once a game they'll introduce a single new species (if we're lucky) to fill out all of the necessary roles in a game's climate, either as good or bad guys, and then just use old character designs for the rest of the roster. Think Piantas from Sunshine, or Lumas. Odyssey proves that every single world can individually have different enemies and new types of character designs and still work cohesively in a game's world. It's fine to stick with Goombas and Koopas but if it gets in the way of a gameplay purpose that warrants a new character design its just lazy. The Paper Mario games are notorious for this. I'm not even a paper mario fan and I'm intimately familiar with the fact that old paper marios would get original characters (if not necessarily original character designs) and run with fleshing out those characters, like goombella and other helpers, whereas modern ones will just give you Toad #4,935 and Luigi. Superstar Saga introduced the Bean characters which had a whole slew of different character designs and themes and it was super unique and interesting. There is something to be said for reusing classic character designs, because people grow affinities to them. DKCR and TF are consistently slammed for using new original rosters of enemies and not using the Kremlings, but the difference there is that they haven't seen Kremlings in a proper DK game a) for over 20 years and b) in anything beyond 64 bits. They've been given time for people to miss them. Shy Guys are in every single mario spinoff and it just gets old and stale.
I mean they are Super Mario characters. They are among Bowser troops as seen in Yoshi's Island, the RPG games, Paper Games, and in SM64. Some are not part of Bowser's army like how some Koopas aren't. We see this in SMB2USA and these specific Shy Guys go on to become friendly rivals to Mario in Superstar Baseball. As for Zelda, I mean Lakitus, Goombas, Wart, and Chain Chomps also have their own versions in those games too. As for the variation, there various species of Koopas. And Toads come in various shapes, sizes, and appearances.
Literal Shy Guys only appear in 2 KINDOF mainline Super Mario Games. One is more of a Yoshi game and the other was Doki Doki Panic. Chainchomps and all those other enemies (besides Wart) appear in lots of Super Mario titles
@@BubbleRift while I get the concept of mainline games, I mostly reject it since it ignores all the other games that have an affect on the Mario canon. Not to mention how people always fight and argue on what is a mainline game always trying to exclude so many games from the list, or claim if they aren't a mainline game they aren't canon.
@@Eris1987 "Super Mario" is a whole different series from those other games. Canon or not, this video is from the context of the "Super Mario" series. You wouldn't bring up Metroid Pinball when talking about "Metroid" games or Fallout: Shelter when talking "Fallout" games. Those are their own things
@@BubbleRift personally I don't know about the lore of Metroid and Fallout, so I can't speak on those personally. Saying the "Super Mario" series is too vague, and gets into the whole thing of interpretation thing of what some thinks what is. For example, if I were to say the "Super Mario" series I would consider it everything that falls under the category of being part of the Canon of Mario Tales. So from there all the games that are part of that I would regard as part of the "Super Mario" Series. But someone else might say it's all the games but Paper Mario and the RPG games. Someone might say it's all the games except for Donkey Kong or Donkey Country. Someone might say it's everything but the sports, party, and karting games. Someone might say it's everything but WarioWare or Luigi's Mansion. Someone might say it's everything but the games starring Yoshi or Peach. Someone might say it's all the 2D and 3D platformer except for Super Mario Land, Super Mario Bros the Lost Levels, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Bros 2 USA, B S Super Mario USA, Super Mario 3D Land, and Super Mario 64 DS. In addition to any combination of everything I just said.
@@Eris1987 "Super Mario" isn't really vague outside of a few titles like Super Mario World 2 and some bizarre stuff during the NES era like Super Mario Bros Special. I get that you have your own definition of what a Super Mario game is, but your definition is not the commonly accepted one and I think I made it pretty clear where I was speaking from I feel like jumping on some small new YTer's channel to try to WELL ACTUALLY is scummy behavior.
I like the direction the video takes toward the end. A sort of "call to action" for Nintendo to be more creative or to utilize the 'guys in a better way. Very cool.
For sure. They basically are now Goomba alternatives, but I don't see Goombas being featured and loved the same way. I want shy guys to be more than Goombas 🫡
But by this same logic paragoombas ans spiked goombas are different species from regular goomba. Im pretty sure the reason a shyguy is no longer called a shy guy is thats no longer his defining trait when he carries a spear everywhere hes called spear guy. There are even versions that dont contain guy in their name such as the sniffits which are shy guys that have some sort of gun mask that lets them shoot bullets (
Regular Goombas still exist With that logic regular ol shy guys could still exist But they only do outside of the Super Mario series For whatever bizarre reason Also I was surprised to find out the "snifit" in SM64 is actually its own unique thing
Okay but Red Shy Guy is a STUD in Super Mario Baseball and nothing will take away his GOAT status
WOAH MRANDREWS I KNOW YOU
Also I got so many results for Super Mario Baseball when I googled Shy Guy lol it was big funny
I appreciate that you bring up Boos because they literally have the same gimmick as boos in having wacky names based on "shy guy" (as boos do in the luigis mansion franchise). The difference is, shy guy variants are treated as unique species, whereas Boos are treated as unique characters of the same species. I think you're right. Shy Guys are just easy variants to make, rather than making new character designs. Need a flying enemy? shy guy with propeller. Need a pointy enemy? shy guy with spear. Need an exploding enemy? shy guy with bomb.
Instead of giving us more classic mario enemys (which would have much more potential for merch capital, btw), they just recycle the same easy to draw and model guys. They also only use the mystique of what's under the shy guy masks once in a throwaway cutscene. wasted yet overused material.
I forgot the word for it, but there's a term used in writing for things that you throw in to make the plot make sense. Like if there's something in Star Wars that has a gap ITS THE FORCE, weird thing in Zelda that doesn't make much sense? TRIFORCE. I feel like Shy Guys are used in Mario RPGs to bridge the gap in plot when they don't want to make a whole new character. I know those aren't exactly the same things, but I hope I make sense.
I want to like Shy Guys, but every time I see them I feel like they are taking up space for a potential new character.
Hopefully Nintendo will one day be more adventurous with their characters again.
@BubbleRift A plot device, but I would liken it more to asset reuse. And yes, Nintendo has been doing this for years. Once a game they'll introduce a single new species (if we're lucky) to fill out all of the necessary roles in a game's climate, either as good or bad guys, and then just use old character designs for the rest of the roster. Think Piantas from Sunshine, or Lumas. Odyssey proves that every single world can individually have different enemies and new types of character designs and still work cohesively in a game's world. It's fine to stick with Goombas and Koopas but if it gets in the way of a gameplay purpose that warrants a new character design its just lazy.
The Paper Mario games are notorious for this. I'm not even a paper mario fan and I'm intimately familiar with the fact that old paper marios would get original characters (if not necessarily original character designs) and run with fleshing out those characters, like goombella and other helpers, whereas modern ones will just give you Toad #4,935 and Luigi. Superstar Saga introduced the Bean characters which had a whole slew of different character designs and themes and it was super unique and interesting.
There is something to be said for reusing classic character designs, because people grow affinities to them. DKCR and TF are consistently slammed for using new original rosters of enemies and not using the Kremlings, but the difference there is that they haven't seen Kremlings in a proper DK game a) for over 20 years and b) in anything beyond 64 bits. They've been given time for people to miss them. Shy Guys are in every single mario spinoff and it just gets old and stale.
Shy Guy: "39 buried, 0 found"
This sent me down one heck of a TH-cam search
@@BubbleRift You're welcome
wow! this guy HATES fun!!!!! but.... they have some points
YOU COULD BE HAVING FUN WITH OTHER CHARACTERS, NATOONIE >:|
you're just mad because dimentio's face looks like a jester mask, thus making him shy guy adjacent
I mean they are Super Mario characters. They are among Bowser troops as seen in Yoshi's Island, the RPG games, Paper Games, and in SM64. Some are not part of Bowser's army like how some Koopas aren't. We see this in SMB2USA and these specific Shy Guys go on to become friendly rivals to Mario in Superstar Baseball.
As for Zelda, I mean Lakitus, Goombas, Wart, and Chain Chomps also have their own versions in those games too.
As for the variation, there various species of Koopas. And Toads come in various shapes, sizes, and appearances.
Literal Shy Guys only appear in 2 KINDOF mainline Super Mario Games. One is more of a Yoshi game and the other was Doki Doki Panic. Chainchomps and all those other enemies (besides Wart) appear in lots of Super Mario titles
@@BubbleRift while I get the concept of mainline games, I mostly reject it since it ignores all the other games that have an affect on the Mario canon. Not to mention how people always fight and argue on what is a mainline game always trying to exclude so many games from the list, or claim if they aren't a mainline game they aren't canon.
@@Eris1987 "Super Mario" is a whole different series from those other games. Canon or not, this video is from the context of the "Super Mario" series. You wouldn't bring up Metroid Pinball when talking about "Metroid" games or Fallout: Shelter when talking "Fallout" games. Those are their own things
@@BubbleRift personally I don't know about the lore of Metroid and Fallout, so I can't speak on those personally.
Saying the "Super Mario" series is too vague, and gets into the whole thing of interpretation thing of what some thinks what is.
For example, if I were to say the "Super Mario" series I would consider it everything that falls under the category of being part of the Canon of Mario Tales.
So from there all the games that are part of that I would regard as part of the "Super Mario" Series.
But someone else might say it's all the games but Paper Mario and the RPG games. Someone might say it's all the games except for Donkey Kong or Donkey Country. Someone might say it's everything but the sports, party, and karting games. Someone might say it's everything but WarioWare or Luigi's Mansion. Someone might say it's everything but the games starring Yoshi or Peach. Someone might say it's all the 2D and 3D platformer except for Super Mario Land, Super Mario Bros the Lost Levels, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Bros 2 USA, B S Super Mario USA, Super Mario 3D Land, and Super Mario 64 DS. In addition to any combination of everything I just said.
@@Eris1987 "Super Mario" isn't really vague outside of a few titles like Super Mario World 2 and some bizarre stuff during the NES era like Super Mario Bros Special.
I get that you have your own definition of what a Super Mario game is, but your definition is not the commonly accepted one and I think I made it pretty clear where I was speaking from
I feel like jumping on some small new YTer's channel to try to WELL ACTUALLY is scummy behavior.
"you messed up, flesh face"
what i needed in Paper Mario
Paper Mario handles shy guys so well. It's like the one good thing about Color Splash 🫠
We've had lots of Shy Guys, but never Outgoing Guy
Extroverted guys are clearly the bandits :) which I found out are considered a type of shy guy
@@BubbleRift Extraversion leads to crime? This says a lot about society
I like the direction the video takes toward the end. A sort of "call to action" for Nintendo to be more creative or to utilize the 'guys in a better way.
Very cool.
Thank you! I just want the funny little guys to do things. They are surprisingly empty characters
I mean, Shyguys at least make for the occasionally interesting divergence from the otherwise endless hordes of Koopas and Goombas
For sure. They basically are now Goomba alternatives, but I don't see Goombas being featured and loved the same way. I want shy guys to be more than Goombas 🫡
Well, they show up in Super Mario RPG! There's all kinds of Shy Guys in that!
If Nintendo doesn't add shy guy into the next mainline mario game i will explode
You don't want Shy Guy. NO ONE wants Shy Guy
Then you are lost
Flyguys and those ghost Snifit things are both in Super Mario 64! Argument destroyed, I’m expecting an apology video
The video addresses this. Both are not shy guys. You may beg for forgiveness
They are a type of shy guy
But like
They aren't "shy guys"
@@BubbleRift I have made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement...
@@cafe-mt5nx it's OK. We all make mistakes. Some more catastrophic than others 😩
Shy Guy is my spirit animal
But by this same logic paragoombas ans spiked goombas are different species from regular goomba. Im pretty sure the reason a shyguy is no longer called a shy guy is thats no longer his defining trait when he carries a spear everywhere hes called spear guy. There are even versions that dont contain guy in their name such as the sniffits which are shy guys that have some sort of gun mask that lets them shoot bullets (
Regular Goombas still exist
With that logic regular ol shy guys could still exist
But they only do outside of the Super Mario series
For whatever bizarre reason
Also I was surprised to find out the "snifit" in SM64 is actually its own unique thing
Shy guys are honestly really fcking weird now that you point it out
I spent 2 hours staring at all the Shy Guys wikis and I still don't get them 🙃
I think they are
Theyre in paper mario
Shy Guy's toy box goes hard
Face reveal when??? you sound like my type ngl
i cant. im a SHY GUY