Dead Or Alive 1, 2, & 3: Dead Or Alive Retrospective | The SSG
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- When people generally think of dead or alive, the first things that normally come to mind are the series female characters, breast physics, and flashy game play. Truth be known however, while that may have been part of the plan from the get go, there’s a lot more to DOA than just its eye candy. From its roots in the arcade, to its move to console exclusive, Dead or Alive tried to set itself apart, and accomplished that goal many times over.
Welcome to "Retrospective", a series where I takes a look back at the storied history of games, their evolution, and their impact on gaming as a whole.
Additional Info:
The user fightclubhubbs / @fightclubhubbs , has brought to my attention in the comments that many Tournaments, and Fight Competitions were using version 3.1 as the gold standard in their circles.
He states, "Well since the website Dead or Alive Central is no longer around, All I can give you is that myself as a TO of 15 years and several other members of the DOA community ran 3.1 at events like Winter Brawl, Summer Jam, D.I.D, and Combo Breaker. Those other TOs/players aside from myself that also ran 3.1 were Sorwah, Tom Brady, Perfect Legend, and DOA Master."
This is contrary to the research I looked at, as well as my personal experience with 3.2 being considered best. However, I am always open to new info, even on a 5 year old video. If you know of any other examples such as this conversation, don't hesitate to tag me in the comments, and highlight it for the whole community.
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Some Additional Info that was brought to my attention recently:
The user fightclubhubbs th-cam.com/channels/eOjrcme4kbnGv0rsX5cVEQ.html , has brought to my attention in the comments that many Tournaments, and Fight Competitions were using version 3.1 as the gold standard in their circles.
He states, "Well since the website Dead or Alive Central is no longer around, All I can give you is that myself as a TO of 15 years and several other members of the DOA community ran 3.1 at events like Winter Brawl, Summer Jam, D.I.D, and Combo Breaker. Those other TOs/players aside from myself that also ran 3.1 were Sorwah, Tom Brady, Perfect Legend, and DOA Master."
This is contrary to the research I looked at, as well as my personal experience with 3.2 being considered best. However, I am always open to new info, even on a 5 year old video. If you know of any other examples such as this conversation, don't hesitate to tag me in the comments, and highlight it for the whole community.
Pleeeease release part 2 to this story! Love watching the history of DOA.
We need part 2
DOA is one of my favourite series of all time. I'll always remember the first time it was released in the arcades and the big crowd around the game...I was instantly hooked.
Dead or alive one through four are now officially backwards compatible on Xbox one and series. And the best part is that on Dead or Alive three you can actually change your region to play Dead or Alive 3.1 or 3.2 you don’t even need to buy a European or Japanese copy. You can use your North American disk and it will work
100% truth. 3.1 and 3.2 are easily playable on american xbox series consoles
This is such an underrated series. I never understood why Virtua Fighter was more popular series. Doa's fighting system is much better than VF's
Another great video. Never knew DOA 1 and 2 both ran on Sega arcade hardware. Also never knew it was such a successful franchise that it saves Tecmo from bankruptcy. On top of that DOA 1 still looks amazing in motion and really deserves a less dusty existence on my shelf.
Me too.Thanks info.I subscribe channel!.)
DOA 3 will always be my favorite in the series. but the first 2 were still great
really good in depth retrospective
Don't know if you ever see this but this video made my love for DOA stronger I remember watching his long-ago
Unfortunately, since the channel went through a bit of a reboot and other projects have taken the brunt of my attention, the follow ups to this will be down the road a ways. I know a number of people have subscribed from this video, and I do apologies for a part two taking this long. Theres no sense in me pushing out a follow up though, when my hearts not it.
Appreciate the love, hope you enjoy the rest of the vids as well.
Hey there, any update on the next part or have you decided to halt production of it for now? I enjoyed this overview - I loved this series prior to DoA5. ;_;
Yes, but I had to start over with everything, since most of my footage was currupted a few days after that post. It really set the whole channel back for the last 2 months. It's in production, but I want to get the gungriffon retrospective done first.
The Southern Sega Gentleman ah that's unfortunate, but I look forward to whenever it's ready :)
SteadiestShark it is, but I should be putting something out for DOA to ward the first or second week of August. In the meantime check out some of my other vids if you haven't already. Really glad to hear you enjoyed it man!
Doa is still my favorite fighting game series, I thought it always looked better than other fighting games and the speed was just perfect
Dead or Alive 3, 2 Ultimate, and 4 are now available to download from Xbox Live, and the games are now backwards compatible with the Xbox One and Series X. I strongly recommend downloading either the European or Japanese versions of Dead or Alive 3 from Xbox Live since they offer better gameplay, more content, and more attacks for characters. To download them, purchase the game first, then change the region in the Xbox settings to either United Kingdom or Japan before downloading. Also, the physical versions are compatible with the American Xbox One and Series X.
Fantastic overview! I loved the DOA series so much! It was by far my favorite 3D fighting game series! And especially those Itagaki days were so memorable, with this series pushing graphical and gameplay boundaries like nothing else. I remember going to the arcade in 1999 and seeing the graphics for DOA2 (some time after buying DOA1 for Saturn) and just thinking, "We have truly reached the next level." And then I played it and it was a dream to play. So smooth, easy to pick up yet complex, and enjoyable!
The series is still easily one of, if not my favorite, fighting franchise. I'm hoping to completely restart this retrospective series once my channel goes back active, and cover each entry of the franchise in a lot more detail.
@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman That would be amazing! I subscribed after watching this video, so I'll be here when they eventually come out!
Phenomenal games, 4 as well. I didn't actually play DoA 1 until the 'Ultimate' port for the original Xbox. After Itagaki left, the series has gone downhill, imo, but I appreciate that MS and Koei Tecmo heard fan feedback and made the classics backwards compatible. It's awesome having them all on the Series X.
Great video! One of my favourite fighting series ever
Great video man, I dig what you're putting out. I've watched this and your Panzer Dragoon Orta review so far. Looking forward to your future output.
Master Cast TV brought me this way, btw!
Glad you're enjoying it man!
+Master-Cast TV is an awesome friend of the channel, and a huge help so far in it's development.
the way you say kumite is glorious
I've never been into fighting games at all, probably one of the reasons I'm one of the few people on the planet that doesn't enjoy any Super Smash Bros. game... and I do remember casually playing DoA on a Playstation at someone's house, but for me, really, it was "just another fighting game". That changed when I got my original XBox, which was the DoA Ultimate pack, and, as you do, you try out the games that come with it. The moment I heard that fantastic music by Aerosmith in the opening video for DoA2, that was it, I was hooked to the game!! I wanted to know more about the story, but even so, DoA3 didn't catch me on the same. And now, whenever I see footage of Kasumi in a DoA game, whichever it may be, I can't help but hum "Dream on"
DOA is the series that made me fall in love with 3D fighters! I very much want to return to this retrospective series in the future, and after I get my hands on DOA6.
I got DOA3 on Xbox on release...still my favorite fighting game of all time. Super fluid - easy to pick up but challenging to master. Really enjoying DOA+DOA2 as an adult. Little chunkier but just as good.
Awesome video! Just started playing this franchise and this was a great watch for newbie like me. Great stuff and I'll be watching more.
Very interesting video. Learnt some things about the series I didn't previously know. Nice work :)
Tomleecee thanks mate!
I can't wait to see the next video to hear what you think about DOA4! I love the whole DOA series, and I consider DOA4 as my favorite game of all time. But you make it feel like you don't like the games after 3.
I do in fact enjoy the entire franchise, minus a few complaints with the extreme series, and DOA5's first release. It will be a little down the road until part 2 of this video series, wanna make sure I show the games the love and attention they deserve. Most importantly, glad you enjoyed it, and hope you stick around for other videos in the works.
Sega Lord X plugged your channel, I'm just here checking it out. Great stuff. Cheers!
Now that I look back, DOA not only uses the game engine & moves of VF2, but also Fighting Vipers stage damage, instead of the ring out....
That transition came with DOA2 and the series move to a more cinematic approach. DOA was not exclusive in this move, but it was much different than other franchises where you were simply placed in a box.
Cool. Had no idea about the updated regional versions of DOA3.
It was insane the differences between the US and PAL release when I put my hands on both back to back. The whole "feel" of the game was shifted.
Oooh, if you want a completed version of the DOA 2 story, they pretty much give you one in Dead or Alive: Dimensions on 3DS. It's basically the entire DOA 1-4 storyline in one go.
I haven’t played any of the classic DOA games so this was quite the lesson! Good video.
Thank you sir, glad I could lay some info on ya!
Good and accurate information. Keep up the good work.
The goraud shading on PSX DOA was brilliant-looking. Sega had a similar effect going in Fighter's Megamix and that game came out GORGEOUS as a result. If I ever get an OG Saturn it will literally just be for that game. (and probably Burning Rangers. And Panzer Dragon Saga. Damn.)
I enjoyed your Resident Evil 2 Saturn Port video and noticed you had a Dead or Alive video as well. I've come to really enjoy the series, but only got into it from DoA 4 onwards, so it'll be interesting to see this retrospective on the titles I've not experienced.
0:24 - I've never seen those 2D character select icons before and they look pretty cool. A shame no other entry has used them; I remember DoA Dimensions having some spectacular art on it's manual and wishing the game itself included such art somewhere.
2:05 - A shame the Saturn port never arrived overseas, as it does manage to look noticeably better than the PlayStation version later shown off. Also, Kasumi's bunny outfit in that first game is certainly different than what we get nowadays... wish they would add that in DoA 6.
6:12 - The jump of games like Dead or Alive and Soul Blade to their Dreamcast sequels is absolutely stunning. I do own a Dreamcast and would gladly pick up DoA 2 in stores if I ever saw it, but no luck so far. Oh, an great job explaining the Stun mechanics. Typically folks only bother explaining the Strike-Hold-Grab system when talking Dead or Alive, so it was nice to see some commentary on plenty of other mechanics.
8:08 - Revisions per region? I would have actually liked to hear you talk about that further in depth, or even throw some specific examples on screen but I understand keeping the nice length of this video.
11:30 - Gosh, now I really wish to pick up a classic Xbox and Dead or Alive 3, knowing that I (as someone from the UK) could get the best version of it. It also has my main, Hitomi, in it so it'd probably be easier to transition to than other entries. Oh, and this game still looks amazing! It's hard to believe it is a Gen 6 game with how good it looks.
Fantastic coverage; concise yet detailed! I'd love to see your thoughts on the other DoA games in future!
When I get back home from this current job out of town, this is one of the topics I plan on restarting from the ground up, seeing as I left it so long ago. Hopefully I can give more coverage to each entry individually. And thankyou for all the compliments and suggestions.
I love this game so much. Waiting for DOA 7. They better do us right.
Excellent article, how about a follow up, the rise and fall of battle arena toshinden..
Between that or Fighting Vipers! Don't worry, there's more in store for fighting fans down the line.
im interested in the story of style over substance. BAT is why VF remix got made, people were dazzled by the texture shaded polygons and detailed arenas and VF flat look drew criticism tor looking antiquated. The thing is BAT was dire, really dire. But I'll leave further discussion for when you cover it :)
Never in my entire TH-cam adventure have I ever thought I’d find found myself on such an extreme darkside of TH-cam that I would find a Japanese fighting game history / review voiced by a perfectly preserved civil war accent and then subscribe
Appreciate it man 😂
Great video!
Appreciate that!
nice video sam! love this series
me too, love the bouncy b.....I meant it's fighting game style!
Nice Video DOA timeline.
Lei Fang is my favorite D.O.A. girl.
I'm pretty partial to Ayane myself.
Hitomi for me
I appreciate your education and knowledge in this video! Thank you!
keep it up this was good
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Loved Doa3 on the Xbox back in the day. Recently got a Dreamcast so need to pick up Doa2 at some point
It's an absolute must own for the Dreamcast man!
Just bought Doa2 for the Dreamcast just got to wait for it to be delivered
He “always wanted his hardware on the best hardware available,” and then he conveniently remembered money, just like every other dev, after losing that much twice.
doa 2 for ps2 was my best game!
Love the video ! If you somehow see this would you recommend getting doa ultimate for the og xbox ? Asking cuz I know a place selling it for pretty cheap and I was thinking about picking it up
DOA Ultimate is a fine port of the originals. While DOA 1 is only and upressed port of the Saturn release for the most part, DOA 2 utilizes the move set and graphical engine of DOA 3. I highly recommend picking it up.
Am I missing something or did part 2 to this series come out already? Or are you waiting for DOA 6 to be released?
Once DOA6 was announced, I decided to hold off on the follow up which would have covered everything up until 5:LR, minus the extreme series. Since then though, the channel has gone through a reboot of sorts. I still plan on covering the rest of the series, but it will definitely be around or after 6's release now.
Gotcha. Looking forward to it :)
When are we going to get that video about the other DOA games?
The best version of DOA 2 is DOA 2 Ultimate for the XBOX.
Kasumi was the face of the game but Helena was the most important character in the game.
I owned DOA on Saturn and DOA2 on DC. These were great. I didnt buy any subsequent console releases for some reason.
If you enjoyed DOA and DOA2, then I have to recommend picking up 3. It takes the speed aspect up tremendously, and looks absolutely gorgeous even today on a 360.
Btw, appreciate all the comments man. You've already hit up a number a videos it looks like.
@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman thanks, and you can thank Sega Lord X, I was not aware of your content until today. I used to have a site called Necessary 2D which I focused on Sega Saturn 2D games a lot... back around 1999.
Just picked up DOA 1 for Saturn £10
Where are the videos for the other games
Refinements And "easy to pick up and play" gameplay? Gotta be dimensions man.... SUPER easy to get into and has all the best elements...
5 was the real departure
I don't get why they removed the Arcade endings from the console versions for DOA1
A number of aspects were sacrificed in the console ports, but if I had to choose between them, I would still stick with the Saturn or DOA Extreme port.
@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman Yep DOA 1 Saturn was closest to the Arcade however DOA2 bought forward the core gameplay and built upon it. It was a massive improvement over the original and one I still prefer to play today
Totally agree! For me though, 3 was the best overall we've seen. It was just easy enough to bring in new fans, but it also refined the core mechanics to perfection in my eyes.
I didnt even know there were any!
Why does DOA remind me of Hudson Soft Bloody Roar and man I wish it was on the Saturn.
They're similar in being 3D fighters, but their mechanics are vastly different.
These games are the reason iv stuck with xbox
doa4 counts as old doa, it's by itagaki.
Doa 4,5,6?
DOA 3.1 is the preferred version in tournaments. Not 3.2.
Not the tournaments that I was aware of, or the ones I researched at the time of putting this video out. If you have any sources showing to the contrary, then I'll gladly add them to the pinned post of this video and it's description.
Well since the website Dead or Alive Central is no longer around, All I can give you is that myself as a TO of 15 years and several other members of the DOA community ran 3.1 at events like Winter Brawl, Summer Jam, D.I.D, and Combo Breaker. Those other TOs/players aside from myself that also ran 3.1 were Sorwah, Tom Brady, Perfect Legend, and DOA Master.
@@fightclubhubbs what name did you go by? I can at least add this info as an addendum to the description. It'll read as a secondary source, but it'll still be treated as first hand knowledge.
Like I said, the info I found and what I knew of personally playing back then pointed to 3.2 being the preferred version for comp and TO play. But I have no issue with accounting for the experience of others.
I also went by FightClubHubbs back then. Or maybe HuBBsDoctor. I can't remember when I switched between names. Sometime around 2006/07 maybe or when DOA4 released. lol
@@fightclubhubbs no worries man 🤣 I appreciate you bringing your own knowledge of the subject to the vid, and I'll be sure to add this info once I'm back at my PC. Feel free to tag me here in the future if you ever find anything else in regards to this matter.
Were is part 2?
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After 4...they lost Itagaki vision for the game...T_T
yeah man
It was kept in 3ds dimensions which was the best game IMO.... other then the story changes dimensions was the best of all 4 games
12:37 What song is that?