It all comes down to training. Well trained crews will always have the advantage. It takes a long time to train tank crews , they have to work as a team.
crew, command, reconnaissance, group interaction, logistics, communication, support that all matters. The soviet tanks at begining (for soviets) ww2 was better than Reich tanks but was vaporized by better comand tactics, comunications, air dominance in blitzkrieg. The chance Russia and Germany will wage war tends to zero. Even if Russia breaks american pet - Ukraine.
The German army has been significantly weakend over the last fifteen years. Notably by Von Der leon when she was defense minister of Germany. It is not the military power house it once was. This is why they are now going to spend twenty billion euros on beefing up their forces..
@@charlieyerrell9146 That's true. The infrastructure, technology, manpower, etc. is all there. What has been lacking is the political will, but Russia has thankfully provided that. A resurgent Bundeswehr is just a few short years away.
@@frosty6960 Seems that way, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Trying to put some context on it, the Russians built their army over the last 10 years...to fight a peer in a kinetic fight. Now they are mixing that with irregular warfare and having to work with significant civilian considerations. Historically, the Russians/Soviets send in their lower quality troops first in order to soften the enemy and define the oppositions strategy, strengths, weaknesses, etc. So I think their first rate formations are better than what we're seeing, but still below NATO quality. I think in a 1 on 1 fight similar size US formations would crush them.
@@charlieyerrell9146 yes army is kinda broken, prolly not as broken as the ruski army tho that is embarassing itself in ukraine infront of the entire world xD
Plus the effectiveness of a particular tank relies on the logistical capability of army operating it. As we've seen, the Russians fall down massively in this area. It's as if they don't really see it as a necessity.....which it probably isn't, until you become embroiled in full-on combat......
"Leopard 2 vs T-14 Armata - Which would win?". Easy answer: the one that actually exists (T-14 Armata is a prototypical concept, there are more unicorns in this world than T-14 units...)
Exactly very easy answer the leopard is not the youngest but it have a lot of updates and proof his skills one a lot battlefield. The t14 drives over the red place and when we remember us a the last parade not all of them finished the parade on their own. I think today the t14 is more a trailer queen
@@TonyMontana-vr8vv Armour on the Leopard has been contentiously updated with more advanced types (ceramic composite) and fire control, anti spall etc. Future upgrades are a 120mm higher pressure gun, possibly a 130mm gun, possibly nano ceramic Armour as used on the Puma, Active Armour. Germany (and Western Nations) put its effort in replacing its Infantry Fighting Vehicles and upgrading its tanks. There are some good ideas in Armata but those ideas are already in the Puma IFV (which has invincible Armour)
Well I'm back after two months or so ,now looks as if the T72 can be knocked out by using a child's Daisy BB gun by the looks of what's happening in Ukraine lol
There are more in this than the specifications only. A trained crew, the use of ammunition in a combat situations and tactical movement are very important too. What is a tank worth, if the crew cannot handle it to perfection. Tanks are not just up against other tanks, but infantry with RPG's, airplane attacks, artillery attacks and mines etc. as well. The combination and mix of units (tank, infantry, air-support and artillery support etc. are important - relative to the specific battlefield / assignments and logistics etc.
But this is a tank comparison video. And the T14 has some technological advantages to the Leopard that not even the best crew can equalize. Leopard is helpless against ATGMs and has a very vulnerable spot as seen in Syria
T14 looks extremely small and low profile this suggests Russia is gonna run the numbers and build these in mass like Sherman's or they have major armor they are gonna tack on to the tanks
@@WackyJackyTracky In Syria, the Turkish Leopards of the outdated A4 variant, showed their vulnerability in close-range inner-urban fighting against infantry, which is not what this variant was designed for. If we're talking long distance, head-to-head, tank-against-tank fight, as in this case, this is exactly the discipline in which Leo 2 and the Armata are supposed to shine in.
Leopard 2 definately. It hold 3 important advantages 1. It actually exists 2. It actually works 3. It is developed by a country that can actually afford it
Wrong, Wrong and Wrong, the T-14 does exist, it does work and Germany's army is an absolute disaster, it can barely scrape up enough tanks that actually work to participate in war games let alone fight in an actual war, it's not a question of money but absolutely terrible management. this is widely recognized. Also, 100 tanks for Russia is a test batch, for Germany that would be one-third of their entire tank force. The total number of Leopards 2s in the German Army is 350 and out of that only about 50-100 are in actual working condition.
@@Peregrin3 I suggest you get back to us when the T14 is spotted in any kind of successful combat operation. As for the number of operational Leopard 2 tanks in Germany, it is true that Germany has a rather small army because they since WW2 has been careful to be a more peaceful nation, but they do now have around 320 leopard 2 in the new models A6 and A7. That would in itself be more than enough to outclass everything that Russia has been able to send to Ukraine, not to mention that countless other NATO countries have large numbers of Leopard 2 as well. So be careful what you wish for. If NATO goes all in on updating Ukrane from T72 to Leopard 2, Russia are done in Ukraine, and if they send their few T14 from the red square parades to Ukraine, it will not change the outcome one bit. It will just increase the embarrasment, which is probably why they are keeping them home.
Don't forget the European tank competition were the Leopard 2 beat the Abrams and got on place number 1 actually Poland and the Danes were on place number 2 and 3 also with older Leopard versions means the Leopard 2 got place number 1, 2 and 3
T-14 is a prototype/testbed platform; there are no units currently in service. The few ones being paraded on the Red Square each year, are the only ones built so far.
I am missing the information, that the main weapon is fully stabilized at Leopard 2, that means, you can lock your target with laser, set the weapon on the target and you are able to destroy your locked target when you are driving 70 km/h to uneven terrain. And you can release for emergency use 2 additional gears and additional horsepower to speedup to 90 km/h. This shortens the lifecycle of engine and gearbox but in war, that doesn't matter. Autoloader is crap, a good gunner crew of Leopard is loading faster and can switch between different kind of munition at every loading process. The Abrams tank uses nearby the same main weapon and at Iraq war, no russian tank has a chance to win a fight against an Abrams tank. Putin reacts as Adolf Hitler, is dreaming on "Wunderwaffen" but the Ukraine War shows, the russian Armi isn't so strong as Putin thinks. But for all (russians and ukrainians) we hope, the war ends fast, not to waste more blood and lifes for Putins stupid war.
That is not really correct. Germany under Hitler had many Wunderwaffen. Most of todays weapons based on Nazi stuff. Don't be foolish about that, Nazis was ahead of time. Problem was most technology couldn't be produced at that time in big numbers.....
I Like how the video begins by stating the chances these tanks would go head to head being extremely slim, yet it is happening now. How fast the conjuncture changes!
a year ago, the t-14 was the super tank concept, recent russian performance and modern equipment have been disappointing. so nah, go with german engineering
@@riceburner6739 it is not over yet. Time is a factor. Energy of Europe is a factor. Just wait, and see the end. It will be sad. Never underestimate Russia. Many times this mistake caused huge problems so far.
@@brozjoszip6401 it is reckless to underestimate an enemy, however being too cautious could also be fatal. to find the balance between both would be crucial. but for the time being, the numbers arent on russia's favor
Indeed, it's frightening. Next stop nuclear holocaust.
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A comment and comparison by a former officer in Sweden working with tanks said there is a reason why so many have the Leopard. It is like a Mercedes, and others are not. The Russian is still a pre-production tank with a lot of design iterations and improvements to follow.
Yeah and I will tell you the reason. The reason is business. Money, money money. So I don’t want to destroy your nordic dreams about a German tank dancing under the aurora. On the other hand, we could saw leopard in action and I’m sorry, it’s not very good. You can’t save its reputation.
The russian still have not gone away from their 3 crew concept! One of the reasons they had such staggeringly high losses in WWII was that a 4 men or even 5 men crew in german tanks depending on size always did better in engagements . i am amazed they have not let go of the 3 crew concept . Well, long may it continue because it means more dead russian tank crews on the battle field right now as we speak. May Putin shit hedgehogs soon and the Armata is untried and not tested . A case of a smokes screen and propaganda and premature ejaculation
@@lglubbock7593In WWI Russia signed for a peace. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was a separate peace treaty signed on 3 March 1918 between Russia and the Central Powers that ended Russia's participation in WWI . Russians are not doing so well right now are they . You make no sense. Germany is part of NATO and the enemy is Russia . ALL NATO members are supplying Ukraine so that Putins hordes are defeated on the battle field. This time WE are ALL in it together . Did that get lost on you? Lets hope it does not escalate . You are a bit one dim witted.
I don't think you can specifically say that one is significantly better. Both are equipped with the latest technology. The Leopard has more combat experience but is very expensive. In the end, it depends on the training of the soldiers and who sees whom first. It must also be said that the Leopard always performs very well in tests against other tanks.
What actually happens when the automatic reloading fails. Technology is fragile and new. Can the Russian tank also be reloaded manually? In wars like Afghanistan, the whole thing is certainly good but what happens when the tank is fired at with real ammunition.
@@Finn-lh6yz Перезарядить орудие в ручном режиме возможно. Это не новые технологии, это доработанные технологии конца 80х,начала 90х.Испытанные и обстрелянные на полигонах. Прототипом Т14 был танк Объект 292.
@@Finn-lh6yz It is possible to reload the gun in manual mode. These are not new technologies, these are refined technologies of the late 80s, early 90s, tested and fired on at training grounds. The prototype of the T14 was the Object 292 tank.
@@Danilla229 Wars are won by quantity not quality...by logistics and financial support... "this chocolate cake was made yesterday and has come over Atlantic..." dont you remember that movie about WW2 superior german panzers with fuel consumption problem while fighting weaker Shermans that have won the war
@@skywalker791totally true. althought it's rather quality and quantity combined. but quantity is crucial no doubts. quality alone only can win against pesants not an army.
1st step is to decide which army has the better training. I remember a interview from Desert Shield/ Storm back in the day with a US Army Tanker he stated "Our tankers where just alot better trained than theirs, you could give the Iraqi's our M1 Tanks and we could've used their T-72s and the results would've still been the same.
Maybe, but the Rheinmetall gun destroys the T72 in a distance far from the possibility a T72 could defend or counterattack your M1. In the first conflict I served in the German Army and they said the M1 destroys T72 tanks in the dessert with KE ammo in a distance about 3-4 KM.
Well looking at the videos of Russian armor units In the Ukraine, moving down roads and fields or coming under fire, they have not been trained at all on how to use basic armor tactics. I think the Iraqi's showed better use of tactics.
Ok the conclusion is..the t14 is better ..the su-57 is the best fighter jet...s-500 the best air defence system.....hypersonic missilery and icbm are the best...to that you say what?
@@melgarezuniverse1217 They are not being used very effectively.🤔 or the war would have been over in the 3 days Putin claimed it was going to happen the day before it started, 323 days ago.😁
Which Leopard 2? Much of the Armata technology is Inc in the T90 and the new T72 variants and the T80 are also beasts and Russia has the Leopards way outgunned.
The leopard wins.Why?Why it actually exist for over 42 years!Modernisations have been implemented successfully and the leopard is the most successful tank in the world!Even USA cannot actually win here.Those Germans know how to make tanks,sorry,the best tanks,don’t they?Which Armata are we talking about here?
It’s hard to compare a tank in the active service with a prototype. Russian army initially ordered 2300 T14s and that was reduced to 100 test vehicles. They even failed to reach that goal. The core of the Russian Army is still T72.
@Kimchii92 modern tanks are only on the paper.Russian propaganda. They don’t even tell Russian citizens how many soldiers died or how much equipment is destroyed. They call it not war but intervention. Russia is poor as f**k.
@@tomaszdabkowski499 A: They admitted some casualties. Ukraine didn't tell anything about their own losses. B: Attacking is more dangerous and risky than defending.
@@mrgently3449 The Ukrainians don't mention their losses because A. Everyone knows they are going to be horrific and B. Anything less than 100% means the fight is still on they are up against the wall and they know it. Although looking at the opening salvos of the war the civilians may be a little safer now that they are being targeted given the number of hits they took when they were not.
If one compares the actual footage of both one cannot deny the T-14 drives and fires very unstable. It shakes and tilts in all directions. The Leopard on the other hand drives like an ATV and when firing looks like being mounted on a concrete floor. Specs do not tell the entire tale: the footage shows T-14 Armata has one advantage. It can run away from certain death when it runs into a Leopard or an Abrams.
Who would trust an Russian motor more than a German? I'd say, the most modern Leopard 2 versions would easily pull out more than 2000 HP in compat mode, maybe even more. While Russia has to run their engines pretty hot.
The shakes and tilts aren't that disruptive when the cannon has a gyroscope system that keeps it on target. You can see that when a tank drives over bumps and the barrel moves up and down
Ich meine so viel Info kann man nicht in ein 8min Video packen aber viele Sachen wurden vergessen. Der Leo hat eine Vollstabilisierte Kanone und eine Trefferquote von 99% bei voller Fahrt. Einmal anvisiert bist du dran. Flares/Smoke hat er ebenso. Und so einiges mehr. Den Schutz gegen Raketenwerfer hatten zum Beispiel die Leo´s am Hindukusch. Ebenso hat der Leo2 auch ein "Universelles Fahrgestell" wie der Leo1, denn die sind in der PH2000, Biber, etc wiederzufinden. Es gibt so viele Extras für den Leo, frei nach dem Motto: Kein Limit nach oben beim Preis. In der selben, wo man das Getriebe des T14 ausbaut, baut man beim Leo den ganzen Motor samt Getriebe aus. Man verzichtet sogar ganz bewusst auf den Autolader, denn eine eingespielte Crew ist weit schneller als irgendein Autolader. Ein Autolader kann ausfallen, den Crewmate musste schon umlegen dafür. Jeder Schuss ein Treffer, also komme ich auch mit wenig Munition aus. Bei knapp 12t Unterschied und fast gleicher Größe, frage ich mich wo der T-14 die 12t spart, wenn er ja mehr Technik UND Munition an Board hat........ . Ich wiederhole 12 TONNEN!!!! Die Hauptgründe sind alleine schon: Der Leo existiert zu tausenden auf der Welt und er funktioniert. Der T14 ist ein reines Prestigeobjekt was sich Russland nicht leisten kann. Und durch die Sanktionen nicht einmal in der Lage ist zu bauen. Dazu ist der Leo weitaus älter der "moderne" T-14. Viele Länder fürchten den Leopard beziehungsweise deutsche Panzer sind allgemein weltweit gefürchtet. Das im 1 Weltkrieg so, im 2 Weltkrieg, das ist heute so und wird vermutlich auch so bleiben.
Die gesamte militärische Ausrüstung kann Russland selbst bauen, das war es schon immer (Russland hat die Produktion von Chips, Wärmebildkameras und allem anderen, aber nur für militärische Zwecke). Das klingt nicht lächerlich, aber Sanktionen betreffen nur zivile Einrichtungen. Jetzt wird T-90MC in großen Mengen produziert, einfach weil es 4-mal billiger ist und die Anforderungen des Militärs vollständig deckt. Bezüglich des Gewichts: Der T-14-Turm wiegt deutlich weniger, er ist unbewohnt, die Frontprojektion ist auch kleiner.
With weapons like anti tank guided missiles it actually doesn't matter how big your tank is or how strong the armor it will be destroyed it all comes down to the training of the crew
Trained in a Leo and now upgraded to 122 got second place 1999 in world championship and we kicked ass, my shooter took down a helli doing 200 km/h 3 km a Way. Still proud 2023.
Very interesting. I can’t find any information about any tank championship in 1999 🤔 So I’m not sure but I need to warn you, PC games don’t count. On the other hand, they have tank biathlon in Russia every year and I haven’t seen leopard gaining points there. So what’s your excuse?
Some T80 and T90 apparently deployed in Ukraine. At least i have seen the ukranian army showing them off as trophies. 'Terminator' light tanks were seen on trains near Ukraine, but not yet in Ukraine afaik. Maybe they want to use those for the cities. TOS-1 have been seen deploying into Ukraine, towards Kharkiv and Kyiv. At least one TOS-1 and one TOS-1 loading vehicle i have seen abandoned and possibly captured. PS: The russian armimg program since 2008 is introducing a wide range of new systems, but only in small numbers for the top units. Descending in unit hierarchy, the material gets older and older. The troops securing Moscow, Petersburg and Kaliningrad will be the ones with most of the new stuff. The ones they could expend to send into Ukraine mostly still use soviet era equipment. Rosgvardia units are probably not going to get their hands on an Armata in the next 20 years. That is, if Rosgvardia still exists in 20 years. Currently i don't make any predictions anymore.
@@hansvanbrandwijk2803 I have not seen any mention, picture or video of one. And at least according to Wikipedia, even the test batch isn't shipped to troops yet. The first batch should have shipped in 2022 when they are done with the testing, as of before the invasion and sanctions. So it's possible that they accelerate the program, given the new geopolitical situation and the impending rearmament campaigns in Europe. Or it could be that Russia can't even afford the first batch at that point, as rating agencies just rated Russia as "imminent sovereign defau!t", meaning Russia can't pay the interests on its state debts. It's really hard to say right now, as the predictions range from "HaHa, Russia doesn't care about your puny sanctions! Europe will collapse!" to "If this goes on for 3 months, Russias economy will be a potato field and a gas station.".
@@3hawer then why is it not in use in Ukraine? How many exist? 20? The russians are dragging out old T62s from storage... why would they be doing that if they had any relevant number of T14s?
@@thomasbaagaard they've got photos of one somewhere in Ukraine.... but it's probably hiding behind the line somewhere. They wouldn't want to risk their very limited supply.
Even if the Ukrainians don't get the 2A7's, they will have a tank that can turn the Russian tanks into scrap metal. The T-14 has to be on the battlefield to be considered, and as yet, it is nowhere to be seen.
The t14 is still a prototype and in testing face If Russia and NATO went to war the leopard 2 would probably not meet the t14 It would most likely meet one of the tanks that Russia is using in Ukraine And if I had to pick between the the leopard 2 vs the tank that Russia is currently using then I will pick German
@@miriamweller812 well it's possible, anything can happen in war but this was about tank vs tank the leopard 2 vs the t14. It's difficult to put them up against each other because the t14 as far as I know is still a prototype and has not entered active service yet Russia is currently using t72, t80 and t90 again as far as I know The leopard 2 has been active for years and have seen combat and it's battle-tested The t14 as far as I know not seen combat most likely because they're still testing it learning it how to best use the tank in the future I can definitely see that it could be beneficial for crew protection that they are all in the Hall of the tank and not the turret But I would still pick the leopard 2 over the t14 because it is battle-tested and it has seen combat and has been proven to be an effective weapon
В России есть ежегодные соревнования , называются они--- танковый биатлон. Это соревнования на скорость, точность поражения мишеней, преодоление препятствий. Приезжайте танковыми экипажами, соревнуетесь с нами. Это мирные, честные военные соревнования на мастерство.
зачем им участвовать в этом позорище с изгоями, у немцев есть еще довоенные постоянные тренировки обычных солдат на танках, а не отдельных единичных клоунов которые выступают перед публикой
Приглашают в Россию, не вна Украину, только в ней правит клоун и позорище . .. А не едут, значит боятся проиграть. Ежели министр обороны баба, да ещё и гинеколог...
My money is on the Leopard.. But I do like the ability of the Armata to fire a 5km range missile.. maybe Leopard 3 might have similar and maybe some thought into moving the crew to a hull down position as well, with an autoloading turret.. but if you have jams or misfires... that could be interesting, also maybe why the West as a whole hasn't..
@@Tyr002 Read the news of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in January, on the 24th, a large number of tanks are expected to arrive, there will be 374 units in total
The biggest difference between the Leopard 2 A7+ and the T-14 is that the Leopard is built with German engineering and the T-14 is a piece of Russian junk. 🇩🇪
@@leolos5281 Haha! What?? You really think so? No. What you saw, was a virtual reality spectacle on your TV-screen, fabricated by the enemy and its propaganda machine. In reality, you don't know absolutely nothing. Your propagand machine leaves you totally clueless and ignorant. First point, why do you think, does the Russian army need so long for this invasion? After it achieved the total sky control few days after the start of the operation?
@@leolos5281 PS: the latest and game changing Russian innovation works perfectly: the hypersonic missile Kinzhal, that demonstrated its effictivity and destroyed some Ukrainian targets perfectly from huge distances. No NATO country does have hypersonic missiles in service. Russian has already two types. Kinzhal can't be shoot down by any Western air defense system, by the way, while Russian systems are learning it, there have already been successful tests.
@@istoria2111 If Russia does not intend to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, then the use of hypersonic missiles is at best a waste of money, since these weapons are extremely expensive but with conventional warheads no greater effect than conventional cruise missiles. And since Russia, due to its crappy economy, is no longer able to produce such expensive weapon systems as Hypersonic missiles or the T-14, it is irrelevant whether, although I very much doubt it, Russian technology is better than Western technology or not.
It's not hard - in the long run the Leopard 2 wins. Why? Well, first of all they gotta build some T-14s. Maybe the T-14 will be better for the first 5 years, but then the maintenance of the Leopard 2 will be so much better. Also the training of the crew is better. Finally, when and if some T-14s are built they might be up against the Leopard 3.
Okay internet military expert. The maintenance of the Russian tanks are way cheaper and the engine of the tank can be replaced within 30 min in battle as he explained in the video. Serial production already started and the tank 2x cheaper
My money is on the t-14. A single one is probably better in all aspects than the leopard, but having two of them for the price of one leopard... leaves the cat in the dust.
Recent information suggests that either tank can be taken out from the air or on the ground. Without good combined arms capability tanks are just large expensive targets on the modern battle field.
The T-14 is *thee* GREATEST tank ever designed! It cannot be destroyed by any other tank, not even at point-blank-range. It is armed with a 16-inch naval gun that is accurate to 24 miles. It can drive along the ocean floor at close to 50 knots. It can fly! It can shoot down fighter jets, satellites, you name it! And it is equipped with the PIONEER FH-X830BHS Double Din Stereo system. It even has an ice cream maker! ... *(JUST DON'T TAKE IT TO A PARADE.)*
I don't think so. German tanks are very good, but France took over most of the design of that new tank. And to be honest, I don't really trust French designs.
@@vova_ermak Wrong. The Panzer VT1 in casemate design was a study (VT= Versuchsträger) for a successor to the Leopard 1 and was developed between 1972 and 1985. It has absolutely nothing to do with the development of the Leopard 2 successor MGCS (Main Ground Combat System).
Comparing a tank based on a concept from 1970 (updated sveral times), with a prototype tank from 2018? Meh... And by the way a Leopard produced in Russia would cost less than the Armata. EU workers are paid more than 4 times higher than Russians. Let's see next generation of Nato tanks.
Big question. How many of each can be produced during a conflict? It doesn’t matter how good your tank is if you’re outnumbered 20 to 1. That’s how shermans beat tigers.
If you mean the film sequence here on TH-cam, in which 3 Shermans fight against a tiger: According to experts, the tiger would have won quite easily, it was only cinematically implemented so that the film is not over at that point.
Der Benzinmangel und die dadurch eingeschränkte Bewegungsfreiheit hat doch wohl eher die Deutsche Panzerwaffe in die Knie gezwungen als die Shermans...
@@timholtermann9586 As in aviation, there is a shortage of personnel and a fallen quality of equipment. The tanks' real problems with fuel began in the Ardennes operation!
Yesterday and the day before yesterday, news appeared about the first Leopard 2s destroyed in this conflict. At the same time, there is no data on the lined Armata. Apparently, Armata, which exists only on paper, is capable of destroying real Leopards ...
Yes. Compared to more than 2000 in the end of the cold war, the 200 now are a joke. They should have stored them just like the Russians, and sold new ones instead.
Remember though, if the situation ever arose (a war) where Germany would need to deploy it's tanks, then over 30 other NATO member nations would also be deploying their military assets too.....
Thanks, we will.👍 And I have good news for you as well: You can have Kosovo, and there will be a new peacekeeping alliance in the balkans, with all ex-yugoslavian nations, Albania, Bulgaria, the EU and Germany.
Top trumps with tanks ? The Leopard ii is so far a much more proven and reliable platform than the highly conceptual T-14 Armata which is more of a wish-list than a tank.
It’s tested not combat proven. These stats are all real and he even provided video of all the systems inside the tank. You are only saying this because t-14 is better. Its the only 4th generation tank in the world
The Leopard 2 will win, because there are more than 8 of them and they actually work. It hardly matters how good a broken down T14 is or how good its armour is when it is attacked from all sides.
I love that you mentioned s number of times that production of the T14 hasn’t started yet. The Russians have been trying for many years to get the kinks worked out of this piece of garbage with no luck.
one tank is main battle tank in several countries, second one is created specially for 9th may parades as a prototype, and was not noticed in any warfare
0:07:55 The Leopard was not yet on the battlefield against other tanks but against paramilitary forces in Syria through Turkey. It was a merciless disaster for the tank, although it must be noted that the tanks were operated by Turkish soldiers.
@NAME Среди стран НАТО - бесспорно, вот только Россию отказываются пустить на эти соревнования даже на Т-90 или Т-72Б3, а на танковый биатлон, проводимый в России, в котором участвую десятки стран со всего мира, уже отказываются приезжать страны НАТО.
@@tujup10 No. Russia, explicit the leaders of Russia, always refused to give there tanks into the hands of a nato state. Most of the Tank biathlon are discharged between Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan-China. Germany wasnt even invited and most of the nato and eu states likewise.
@@luzifershadres Российский танковый биатлон - это ОТКРЫТОЕ мероприятие, участие в нем может принять любая страна мира. Повторюсь, из всех стран НАТО заинтересованность проявляла только Италия, но её колесный танк не подходил по регламенту, а использовать танки производства других государств НАТО ей запретили уже в самом НАТО.
that have old Leopard A4 tanks from the 1980s...great difference to the A7V nowadays...crew and unit training very important....are turkish good at this?
Leopard is older generation tank. And i wouldnt rely much on german tech since they lost World war to the Russians,since then they are 3d world contyr without WMD and their own Space program
It would seem that tank on tank combat is fast becoming a non issue these days. Without proper support, tanks are very vulnerable to lethal hand held anti tank weapons.
It's never been the primary issue, so people keep saying it's going away, but it's not. They just think it used to be more important than it ever really was. However, it still is an important issue - what happens when an area is important enough that two forces want their tanks there? PS, even the Germans in WW2 knew about the strengths and more importantly weaknesses of tanks, as they wrote "attacks against tanks with close combat weapons by a sufficiently determined man will basically always succeed." Of course, their anti-tank weapons had enough punch to even take out a Tiger II from the front, which can hardly be said for most if not all of the allied AT weapons, but still.
@@headhunter1945 Good points! A quick story from WW2. My father was in the Heavy British Royal Artillery and was using a 7.2 Howitzer during the Battle of the Bulge. He was on one side of a valley and had his gun ranged on the other side. They were ordered to let go at anything that appeared over the crest! At some point a rumbling was detected as three German tanks appeared. With a round already loaded the gun was fired and you could say it was a lucky shot but the shell had a direct hit on the centre tank which disintegrated. A 7.2 shell was effectively a 6 inch navel cruiser armament so that was one very unlucky Panzer crew.
Even before watching this, we already know which system is superior as many of the Leopard 2 tanks have been destroyed by the T-14 Armata in Ukraine recently. I will watch this anyway.
A tank is a tool which is operated by crew. Seeing how capable Russian crew`s are, I believe the winner would be the nearby farmer with a towing truck :D
Idk if you heard but Russia has upped their production of equipment. Just recently they are producing the armatas finally. With the news of tanks being sent to Ukraine I'm sure we will see the armatas for sure. Just saw a video of Russians training in a t-14 Armata.
In light of the Russian army's latest...operation...I'm thinking the Germans would ace an encounter. You also must remember Russia's quality control. Also, one good hit to the turret of the Armata, will scramble the crap out of electronics.
Leopard 2 has been on the market for a long time and therefore the crew has many years of experience and knows exactly what it can do and how much it can be pushed. The T-14 is new and not many have used it in war or have experience with it. Experience and routines in pressure situations are very important to get the best out of the tank you operate
is also worth noting that the T14 are all networked for guidance. And they all have a drone with a cable connection and can therefore be used indefinitely with everything such as day/night vision, IR, exhaust gas sensors, distance and target guidance functions. That means it is enough if one drone sees the target and everyone can shoot blindly to.
On the paper the Armata has impressive stats. Your comparison highlights a few weaknesses with the Leo2 in comparison, especially the cost. I believe crew training, intelligence, skill, and discipline will make the main difference in a battle. This and how fast they can be deployed including construction, and training. Currently it looks like the Leo2 will mostly face older models as opponents. Here sufficient numbers and coordination also with other weapons will make the difference.
I think Russia has to prove that they are able to build a working prototype. The t14 was testet in Syria. We don’t know the test result but after the tests Russia canceled its order.
Considering that Russia is massing possibly 600’000 troops with T80s, T90s and the T14 with overwhelming artillery with their obviously armoured infantry and engineers and air assets. Who do you think is going to be the old steam roller?. 14 Challenger 2s..one Sqn worth, the Leopard2A6 from Germany the same amount, U.S M1A2s won’t arrive till the late summer when this will be nearly all over, as for what Poland is sending the original Leopard 2 with also their what looks like their own versions of what are based on older Russian kit? Are British-and German crews going to crew the Tanks?. It takes a ew months to learn everything about the D&M, Gunnery, radios, let alone to command and to really know how to maintain a work with each wagon. So we have the spares, the fuel and POL, Ammo..main armaments and machine guns ammo, Tanks, infantry, engineers, artillery work in Battle groups together. And this takes time. I can see who is going to in this and it was those who lifted and flew the Red Banner in Berlin. Looks like March for the big push.
@@aluimmumitat The T-14 has yet to go through a peaceful parade on its own power. Only Russian logic would put something like that in battle. But then again, more meat for the grinder. How can the Russian people stand up for this crap? Durak!
@@jamesglass4842 I also believe Russia will make a push before the modern tanks are fielded. I doubt Ukraine will be able to deploy a sufficient number of the modern tanks including skilled men and material. Probably not early enough to prepare against the early push. If Ukraine can withstand that, they will have a chance to push back. I believe this war may take longer. So far Ukraine has been defending admirably.
Looking at Russian tanks in Ukraine I'd say the Armata is the same as the others Russian tanks and a part of the Russian equipment: Only really good on paper.
German engineering of all its AFVs is, once again, way ahead of its time. Question is would NATO be able to hold off a full scale Russian armoured onslaught?
NATO has more tanks now than the Russians have. And half the Russian tanks are obsolete. Look what happened to the Russian Tanks used by the Iraqis in the Gulf War. It was a slaughter!👍
@@northernninjafoto3230 das stimmt zwar zum Teil aber man kann das russische Militär im ganzen ja nicht mit der der Iraker vergleichen. Man kann so was gar nicht vergleichen da der armata noch nicht ausgereift ist und noch gar nicht in Serienproduktion ist... Was nützen den Deutschen die neuen Pumas wenn der ganze Elektronik Schrott nicht belastbar eingesetzt werden kann.. .zum Vergleich...
@@northernninjafoto3230 Nato doesn not have more tanks than Russia. Maybe more aircrafts but tanks no way. US tanks at the momment are operative about 57%. So dont be so sure about it. 😉
Just by acknowleding that there are only a few T-14 even built right now and not many soldiers got to train on them i would give the Leopard 2 a small advantage right now, as soldiers have been training on it for quite a while and know all its quirks. T-14 might be superior on paper, but in a real battle what makes the biggest difference all other factors being equal is the experience of the crew that operates it.
But all other factors are not equal. T14 has technological advantages that not the best Leopard crew could equalize, like a hardkill system against ATGMs. Also as we have seen in Syria the Leopard has a design flaw with the ammunition rack next to the driver that when hit let the whole tank explode. Id clearly prefer sitting in a T14 than Leopard, it is much safer for the crew
@@alpearson9158 I am not talking about winning a war, just comparing tech specs. 14 tanks wont make a change, just lkke 14 Challenger 2s is just nonesense. Actually even 200 Leopards cant cope with russians thousands of tanks still in depo. Only the US sending thousand Abrams tanks could make a difference
I know this is silly, but having seen how horrendous Russia's attempt at building a decent car have been, it is hard for me to imagine them building a complex tank that did not have serious issues, particularly in the early stages of serial production.
Tank battle scenarios a la Kursk are rare in modern combat. So even the T14 superiority in reach (with laser-guided rounds) and rate of fire due to automatic loading might favor it in a duel, that has limited practical relevance. isolated or unsupported tanks are easy and favorite targets and have short survival time in modern combat.. But other than this is a fair and useful comparison, e.g. if you need to buy tanks. Thank you.
Russia is supporting their tanks, is not isolated. Nato on the other hand will be unsupported and quite isolated seeing they have lots of different types of wapens mixed in with there own older weapon systems, limited training unless they will use more nato troops than they currently are.
Interesting video, but in general it is difficult to compare a purpose-built tank like the Leopard 2A7+ with a prototype like the T-14 Armata. For example one could either compare the Leopard 2A7+ with the currently deployed Russian tank, or the prototype of the planned T-14 Armata, with the planned and new tank Leopard 3 (Franco-German project), about which, however, almost no information is known.
@@illyrian0695 Non les français ont des optroniques bien meilleurs. Et des chargeurs auto depuis des décennies. L idée est de faire la tourelle d un leclerc sur une caisse de leopard. le tout modernisé. Les allemands ont trop de retard dans ces domaines. Par contre pour les avion du futur la France n a pas besoin de l Allemagne. Les derniers Rafales sont justes exceptionnels. Un peu de modestie.
@@illyrian0695 Французы и Немцы имеют очень короткую память, они уже целовали сапоги Русского солдата в париже и берлине. На этот раз пожалеть вас не получится, после даже одной ракеты " сатана" которая имеет 10 головок по 10 килотонн, способна уничтожить 10 франций или 10 германий. История глупцов не учит, значит готовьтесь удобрять своими телами землю, может на месте евросоюза поселятся лет через ......, когда земля очистится, заселят более умные племена, чем старогерманцы, страдающие нацизмим.
I dont have to listen to this to know they will be biased against the Russsian tank ..even though Russians know more about tank warfare than anybody else
It all comes down to training. Well trained crews will always have the advantage. It takes a long time to train tank crews , they have to work as a team.
crew, command, reconnaissance, group interaction, logistics, communication, support that all matters. The soviet tanks at begining (for soviets) ww2 was better than Reich tanks but was vaporized by better comand tactics, comunications, air dominance in blitzkrieg. The chance Russia and Germany will wage war
tends to zero. Even if Russia breaks american pet - Ukraine.
Training is not all, also tallent is important. Just imagine a good and a bad truck driver. Some have years of experience and they still suck.
In Israhell Merkava IV. it takes 4 years to make well trained survaiveable crew.
Of course. You don't give the best weapon of one army to go in battlefield without training or experience.
Very true I know that from computer games even with medium tank I was able to be victorias most of the times due to skills and tactics.
Leopard actually exists in significant numbers, so this is pretty easy to figure out. The Russians have some nice prototypes, but thats about it.
The German army has been significantly weakend over the last fifteen years. Notably by Von Der leon when she was defense minister of Germany. It is not the military power house it once was. This is why they are now going to spend twenty billion euros on beefing up their forces..
@@charlieyerrell9146 That's true. The infrastructure, technology, manpower, etc. is all there. What has been lacking is the political will, but Russia has thankfully provided that. A resurgent Bundeswehr is just a few short years away.
Watching this week of conflict. I realize i have overestimated the russian tech hugely.
Shockingly shitty quality.
@@frosty6960 Seems that way, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Trying to put some context on it, the Russians built their army over the last 10 years...to fight a peer in a kinetic fight. Now they are mixing that with irregular warfare and having to work with significant civilian considerations. Historically, the Russians/Soviets send in their lower quality troops first in order to soften the enemy and define the oppositions strategy, strengths, weaknesses, etc.
So I think their first rate formations are better than what we're seeing, but still below NATO quality. I think in a 1 on 1 fight similar size US formations would crush them.
@@charlieyerrell9146 yes army is kinda broken, prolly not as broken as the ruski army tho that is embarassing itself in ukraine infront of the entire world xD
In both cases, it's about the soldiers and how well they are trained.
Plus the effectiveness of a particular tank relies on the logistical capability of army operating it. As we've seen, the Russians fall down massively in this area. It's as if they don't really see it as a necessity.....which it probably isn't, until you become embroiled in full-on combat......
@@Brian-om2hh keep watching cnn
@@Brian-om2hh you say logistics how Ukraine react when most of eastern from train tracks, road, and bridge already blow by both Ukraine and Russia
@@willl7780Exactly. Critical thinking ability - not found.
"Leopard 2 vs T-14 Armata - Which would win?". Easy answer: the one that actually exists (T-14 Armata is a prototypical concept, there are more unicorns in this world than T-14 units...)
Well said
Genau so sieht es aus!
Exactly very easy answer the leopard is not the youngest but it have a lot of updates and proof his skills one a lot battlefield. The t14 drives over the red place and when we remember us a the last parade not all of them finished the parade on their own. I think today the t14 is more a trailer queen
😂
@@TonyMontana-vr8vv Armour on the Leopard has been contentiously updated with more advanced types (ceramic composite) and fire control, anti spall etc. Future upgrades are a 120mm higher pressure gun, possibly a 130mm gun, possibly nano ceramic Armour as used on the Puma, Active Armour. Germany (and Western Nations) put its effort in replacing its Infantry Fighting Vehicles and upgrading its tanks. There are some good ideas in Armata but those ideas are already in the Puma IFV (which has invincible Armour)
Whatever one gets hit first is most likely out of commission, I believe the Armata was built primarily to include crew protection
Well, that is certainly a first, for Russia! 😆
I believe the Armata was built primarily to be cheap and it is still unobtanium.
It's main purpose is to steal money from military fundings
Well I'm back after two months or so ,now looks as if the T72 can be knocked out by using a child's Daisy BB gun by the looks of what's happening in Ukraine lol
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 IIRC it's supposedly a simplified refresh of an already simplified test bed of an ambitious late soviet design.
"The likelihood of russian and germany tanks fighting in some future war in europe is extremely slim." Really? How slim exactly?
3 months slim apparently
Not all that slim as we see right now in Ukraine.
Extremely slim to the extent that any two modern tanks won't face each other without combined arms support.
Seems a bit more likely recently.
Hindsight is a bich.
The tank with the best trained crew wins
Whose air force rules the skies should win.
No, the tanks that has the best support to spot the other tanks first.
Leopard 2 - the crew is sober ...
Judging by the Russian tank crews getting flanked and abandoning wagons in Ukraine, a good crew would beat a T14 using a Volvo 740😂
T-14 wasn’t used but still Russia is as far from Kyiv as I am from my neighbors house.
@@mra4486 That is simply because that is how far their border is from Kyiv.
Well said
Judging by how weak and effeminate Westerns became Russia and China will rule the world pretty soon.
Yes dreaming is good just by looking you get that wow . So smart
There are more in this than the specifications only. A trained crew, the use of ammunition in a combat situations and tactical movement are very important too. What is a tank worth, if the crew cannot handle it to perfection. Tanks are not just up against other tanks, but infantry with RPG's, airplane attacks, artillery attacks and mines etc. as well. The combination and mix of units (tank, infantry, air-support and artillery support etc. are important - relative to the specific battlefield / assignments and logistics etc.
But this is a tank comparison video. And the T14 has some technological advantages to the Leopard that not even the best crew can equalize. Leopard is helpless against ATGMs and has a very vulnerable spot as seen in Syria
T14 looks extremely small and low profile this suggests Russia is gonna run the numbers and build these in mass like Sherman's or they have major armor they are gonna tack on to the tanks
"There are more aspects*/variables* in this than specifications ..." or "There is* more in this than ..."
@@WackyJackyTracky In Syria, the Turkish Leopards of the outdated A4 variant, showed their vulnerability in close-range inner-urban fighting against infantry, which is not what this variant was designed for. If we're talking long distance, head-to-head, tank-against-tank fight, as in this case, this is exactly the discipline in which Leo 2 and the Armata are supposed to shine in.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 No not all desastrous Lepard2 explosions were from inside the city, there where some longrange ATGM hits by Konkurs or TOW
Leopard 2 definately. It hold 3 important advantages
1. It actually exists
2. It actually works
3. It is developed by a country that can actually afford it
You got it right three times
Exactly. The Russians appear to be capable of issuing specifications for a tank better than the Leopard 2. Building it is another story.
Wrong, Wrong and Wrong, the T-14 does exist, it does work and Germany's army is an absolute disaster, it can barely scrape up enough tanks that actually work to participate in war games let alone fight in an actual war, it's not a question of money but absolutely terrible management. this is widely recognized. Also, 100 tanks for Russia is a test batch, for Germany that would be one-third of their entire tank force. The total number of Leopards 2s in the German Army is 350 and out of that only about 50-100 are in actual working condition.
@@Peregrin3 I suggest you get back to us when the T14 is spotted in any kind of successful combat operation.
As for the number of operational Leopard 2 tanks in Germany, it is true that Germany has a rather small army because they since WW2 has been careful to be a more peaceful nation, but they do now have around 320 leopard 2 in the new models A6 and A7. That would in itself be more than enough to outclass everything that Russia has been able to send to Ukraine, not to mention that countless other NATO countries have large numbers of Leopard 2 as well.
So be careful what you wish for. If NATO goes all in on updating Ukrane from T72 to Leopard 2, Russia are done in Ukraine, and if they send their few T14 from the red square parades to Ukraine, it will not change the outcome one bit. It will just increase the embarrasment, which is probably why they are keeping them home.
@@Peregrin3 ah yes, I've seen T-14 in my dreams, they must be real :))) gtfo
"The chance of German and Russian tanks confronting eachother on European soil is extremely slim" -2023: Hold my beer
The narrator needs a better crystal ball……and possibly timing hahahaha
Ein Panzer ist immer nur so gut wie seine Besatzung!
Grüsse aus dem Leopardenland!
Da ist jemand Weise
Gilt auch für das Kochgeschirr, lol.
Das beste Wort ist nur von Wert wenn es verstanden wird.
So why Hitler becames your president?
@@jmjmjm05
what does one have to do with the other?
The most advenced version of the Leopard 2 is either the Leopdard 2A7V or the Leopard 2A7A1
we need tiger 3
And we want Panther 3 and Mouse 2 .
Still all leopards are slow. Best tank is t14. Light. Super fast. Auto loader. Best defense. And. Missiles available
@@Ptolemy38 the T-14 is not light and has less power than the Leo2
@@nagmashot is only. 37 tones. And horsepower reach 2000. 55 miles per hour. The Porsche. Tank call it
Leoprad 2: exists
Armata: cartoon
Any tank is vulnerable. If you take the "motor" (the crew) out of the machine, it becomes only a piece of steel.
old warfare
If the Abrams would kill it then the leopard would kill it even harder
The leopard was made as an MBT killer.
Don't forget the European tank competition were the Leopard 2 beat the Abrams and got on place number 1 actually Poland and the Danes were on place number 2 and 3 also with older Leopard versions means the Leopard 2 got place number 1, 2 and 3
T-14 is a prototype/testbed platform; there are no units currently in service. The few ones being paraded on the Red Square each year, are the only ones built so far.
I am missing the information, that the main weapon is fully stabilized at Leopard 2, that means, you can lock your target with laser, set the weapon on the target and you are able to destroy your locked target when you are driving 70 km/h to uneven terrain. And you can release for emergency use 2 additional gears and additional horsepower to speedup to 90 km/h.
This shortens the lifecycle of engine and gearbox but in war, that doesn't matter.
Autoloader is crap, a good gunner crew of Leopard is loading faster and can switch between different kind of munition at every loading process. The Abrams tank uses nearby the same main weapon and at Iraq war, no russian tank has a chance to win a fight against an Abrams tank.
Putin reacts as Adolf Hitler, is dreaming on "Wunderwaffen" but the Ukraine War shows, the russian Armi isn't so strong as Putin thinks.
But for all (russians and ukrainians) we hope, the war ends fast, not to waste more blood and lifes for Putins stupid war.
That is not really correct. Germany under Hitler had many Wunderwaffen. Most of todays weapons based on Nazi stuff. Don't be foolish about that, Nazis was ahead of time. Problem was most technology couldn't be produced at that time in big numbers.....
I Like how the video begins by stating the chances these tanks would go head to head being extremely slim, yet it is happening now. How fast the conjuncture changes!
good observation. everything we were told proves to be wrong. meaning we should change as well.
a year ago, the t-14 was the super tank concept, recent russian performance and modern equipment have been disappointing. so nah, go with german engineering
@@riceburner6739 it is not over yet. Time is a factor. Energy of Europe is a factor. Just wait, and see the end. It will be sad. Never underestimate Russia. Many times this mistake caused huge problems so far.
@@brozjoszip6401 it is reckless to underestimate an enemy, however being too cautious could also be fatal. to find the balance between both would be crucial. but for the time being, the numbers arent on russia's favor
Indeed, it's frightening. Next stop nuclear holocaust.
A comment and comparison by a former officer in Sweden working with tanks said there is a reason why so many have the Leopard. It is like a Mercedes, and others are not. The Russian is still a pre-production tank with a lot of design iterations and improvements to follow.
Yeah and I will tell you the reason. The reason is business. Money, money money. So I don’t want to destroy your nordic dreams about a German tank dancing under the aurora. On the other hand, we could saw leopard in action and I’m sorry, it’s not very good. You can’t save its reputation.
With these new tanks, they are so similar that I think in a combat situation it would come down to; which crew is better and who see the other first.
like tank battles ever happen nowdays. It's artillery vs tank usually
since tank is a tool of charging, both sides taking offense simultaneously died like a century ago
As recent events have proven, it is not so much the specifications of your tank but the training of the crews that counts.
The russian still have not gone away from their 3 crew concept! One of the reasons they had such staggeringly high losses in WWII was that a 4 men or even 5 men crew in german tanks depending on size always did better in engagements . i am amazed they have not let go of the 3 crew concept . Well, long may it continue because it means more dead russian tank crews on the battle field right now as we speak. May Putin shit hedgehogs soon and the Armata is untried and not tested . A case of a smokes screen and propaganda and premature ejaculation
@@robertmanfredthurrigl9424 you krauts still lost ww2 like ww1 and next one
@@lglubbock7593In WWI Russia signed for a peace. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was a separate peace treaty signed on 3 March 1918 between Russia and the Central Powers that ended Russia's participation in WWI . Russians are not doing so well right now are they . You make no sense. Germany is part of NATO and the enemy is Russia . ALL NATO members are supplying Ukraine so that Putins hordes are defeated on the battle field. This time WE are ALL in it together . Did that get lost on you? Lets hope it does not escalate . You are a bit one dim witted.
@@robertmanfredthurrigl9424 lol u still deep throating that US propaganda Ukraine's getting murdered along with their shitty NATO equipment.
The crew training and experience are most important.
Seeing as the leopard two actually is in service and the T14 appears to only be a prototype this question is stupid.
I don't think you can specifically say that one is significantly better. Both are equipped with the latest technology. The Leopard has more combat experience but is very expensive. In the end, it depends on the training of the soldiers and who sees whom first. It must also be said that the Leopard always performs very well in tests against other tanks.
What actually happens when the automatic reloading fails. Technology is fragile and new. Can the Russian tank also be reloaded manually? In wars like Afghanistan, the whole thing is certainly good but what happens when the tank is fired at with real ammunition.
@@Finn-lh6yz Перезарядить орудие в ручном режиме возможно. Это не новые технологии, это доработанные технологии конца 80х,начала 90х.Испытанные и обстрелянные на полигонах. Прототипом Т14 был танк Объект 292.
@@Finn-lh6yz Russian tanks have had automatic reloading for like 350 years now. New technology? Really?! Where have you been my friend)))
@@Finn-lh6yz It is possible to reload the gun in manual mode. These are not new technologies, these are refined technologies of the late 80s, early 90s, tested and fired on at training grounds. The prototype of the T14 was the Object 292 tank.
@@Finn-lh6yz russian tech may be crude but it never fails.
Soon, we are going to find out which one is better, aren't we?
tanks are not really designed to fight tanks. worst tanks enemy is artillery.
@@Danilla229 Wars are won by quantity not quality...by logistics and financial support... "this chocolate cake was made yesterday and has come over Atlantic..." dont you remember that movie about WW2 superior german panzers with fuel consumption problem while fighting weaker Shermans that have won the war
@@skywalker791totally true. althought it's rather quality and quantity combined. but quantity is crucial no doubts. quality alone only can win against pesants not an army.
@@skywalker791 Шерманы выиграли войну? 😂А не Т-34? Посмотрим статистику, какая страна уничтожила больше Тигров и Пантер?
Well, a hundred+ Leopard 2 against zero Armata. My bet is on the Leopards. And yours?
Russia cannot mass-produce Armata. The prototype tank "Armata" broke down on Red Square in Moscow during the parade.
Not really, the driver didnt release the tanks version of a handbrake :P
Russia is full of crap 😆
everything has a beginning, but dont worry, thats not an issue anymore
@So Woke ur very woke, thats why ur so smart
Fake
1st step is to decide which army has the better training. I remember a interview from Desert Shield/ Storm back in the day with a US Army Tanker he stated "Our tankers where just alot better trained than theirs, you could give the Iraqi's our M1 Tanks and we could've used their T-72s and the results would've still been the same.
Maybe, but the Rheinmetall gun destroys the T72 in a distance far from the possibility a T72 could defend or counterattack your M1. In the first conflict I served in the German Army and they said the M1 destroys T72 tanks in the dessert with KE ammo in a distance about 3-4 KM.
Well looking at the videos of Russian armor units In the Ukraine, moving down roads and fields or coming under fire, they have not been trained at all on how to use basic armor tactics. I think the Iraqi's showed better use of tactics.
@@Botulismustoxin And.... do you believe it ?
Ok the conclusion is..the t14 is better ..the su-57 is the best fighter jet...s-500 the best air defence system.....hypersonic missilery and icbm are the best...to that you say what?
@@melgarezuniverse1217 They are not being used very effectively.🤔 or the war would have been over in the 3 days Putin claimed it was going to happen the day before it started, 323 days ago.😁
The Leopard 2's biggest advantage over the Armata is that it actually EXISTS!
how interesting i saw her in you no but my great grandpa saw leopards 1 and but in Russia there are tanks T-72 and T-80 read on wiki.
Which Leopard 2? Much of the Armata technology is Inc in the T90 and the new T72 variants and the T80 are also beasts and Russia has the Leopards way outgunned.
Ya lo veremos como trofeo 🤭
The leopard wins.Why?Why it actually exist for over 42 years!Modernisations have been implemented successfully and the leopard is the most successful tank in the world!Even USA cannot actually win here.Those Germans know how to make tanks,sorry,the best tanks,don’t they?Which Armata are we talking about here?
@@mariolavidas2592 then in 1943, Germany said that they had the best tanks, but they lost ..
It’s hard to compare a tank in the active service with a prototype. Russian army initially ordered 2300 T14s and that was reduced to 100 test vehicles. They even failed to reach that goal. The core of the Russian Army is still T72.
@@Temuttaja22 which the Leopard was designed to kill.
@Kimchii92 we all see what attacks Ukraine. Scrap metal.
@Kimchii92 modern tanks are only on the paper.Russian propaganda. They don’t even tell Russian citizens how many soldiers died or how much equipment is destroyed. They call it not war but intervention. Russia is poor as f**k.
@@tomaszdabkowski499 A: They admitted some casualties. Ukraine didn't tell anything about their own losses. B: Attacking is more dangerous and risky than defending.
@@mrgently3449 The Ukrainians don't mention their losses because A. Everyone knows they are going to be horrific and B. Anything less than 100% means the fight is still on they are up against the wall and they know it. Although looking at the opening salvos of the war the civilians may be a little safer now that they are being targeted given the number of hits they took when they were not.
If one compares the actual footage of both one cannot deny the T-14 drives and fires very unstable. It shakes and tilts in all directions.
The Leopard on the other hand drives like an ATV and when firing looks like being mounted on a concrete floor.
Specs do not tell the entire tale: the footage shows T-14 Armata has one advantage. It can run away from certain death when it runs into a Leopard or an Abrams.
Who would trust an Russian motor more than a German? I'd say, the most modern Leopard 2 versions would easily pull out more than 2000 HP in compat mode, maybe even more. While Russia has to run their engines pretty hot.
The shakes and tilts aren't that disruptive when the cannon has a gyroscope system that keeps it on target. You can see that when a tank drives over bumps and the barrel moves up and down
ruskie tanks ran into berlin hurts dont it
Ich meine so viel Info kann man nicht in ein 8min Video packen aber viele Sachen wurden vergessen. Der Leo hat eine Vollstabilisierte Kanone und eine Trefferquote von 99% bei voller Fahrt. Einmal anvisiert bist du dran. Flares/Smoke hat er ebenso. Und so einiges mehr. Den Schutz gegen Raketenwerfer hatten zum Beispiel die Leo´s am Hindukusch. Ebenso hat der Leo2 auch ein "Universelles Fahrgestell" wie der Leo1, denn die sind in der PH2000, Biber, etc wiederzufinden.
Es gibt so viele Extras für den Leo, frei nach dem Motto: Kein Limit nach oben beim Preis.
In der selben, wo man das Getriebe des T14 ausbaut, baut man beim Leo den ganzen Motor samt Getriebe aus.
Man verzichtet sogar ganz bewusst auf den Autolader, denn eine eingespielte Crew ist weit schneller als irgendein Autolader. Ein Autolader kann ausfallen, den Crewmate musste schon umlegen dafür. Jeder Schuss ein Treffer, also komme ich auch mit wenig Munition aus.
Bei knapp 12t Unterschied und fast gleicher Größe, frage ich mich wo der T-14 die 12t spart, wenn er ja mehr Technik UND Munition an Board hat........ . Ich wiederhole 12 TONNEN!!!!
Die Hauptgründe sind alleine schon: Der Leo existiert zu tausenden auf der Welt und er funktioniert. Der T14 ist ein reines Prestigeobjekt was sich Russland nicht leisten kann. Und durch die Sanktionen nicht einmal in der Lage ist zu bauen. Dazu ist der Leo weitaus älter der "moderne" T-14.
Viele Länder fürchten den Leopard beziehungsweise deutsche Panzer sind allgemein weltweit gefürchtet. Das im 1 Weltkrieg so, im 2 Weltkrieg, das ist heute so und wird vermutlich auch so bleiben.
Die gesamte militärische Ausrüstung kann Russland selbst bauen, das war es schon immer (Russland hat die Produktion von Chips, Wärmebildkameras und allem anderen, aber nur für militärische Zwecke). Das klingt nicht lächerlich, aber Sanktionen betreffen nur zivile Einrichtungen. Jetzt wird T-90MC in großen Mengen produziert, einfach weil es 4-mal billiger ist und die Anforderungen des Militärs vollständig deckt. Bezüglich des Gewichts: Der T-14-Turm wiegt deutlich weniger, er ist unbewohnt, die Frontprojektion ist auch kleiner.
Latest version is Leopard 2a7V*
Armata's high profile will put it at a disadvantage presuming they finally build a few .
With weapons like anti tank guided missiles it actually doesn't matter how big your tank is or how strong the armor it will be destroyed it all comes down to the training of the crew
Trained in a Leo and now upgraded to 122 got second place 1999 in world championship and we kicked ass, my shooter took down a helli doing 200 km/h 3 km a Way. Still proud 2023.
Very interesting. I can’t find any information about any tank championship in 1999 🤔
So I’m not sure but I need to warn you, PC games don’t count. On the other hand, they have tank biathlon in Russia every year and I haven’t seen leopard gaining points there. So what’s your excuse?
In war I have never seen the latest version of a Russian battle tank deployed. They only perform well on promotional material.
Some T80 and T90 apparently deployed in Ukraine. At least i have seen the ukranian army showing them off as trophies. 'Terminator' light tanks were seen on trains near Ukraine, but not yet in Ukraine afaik. Maybe they want to use those for the cities. TOS-1 have been seen deploying into Ukraine, towards Kharkiv and Kyiv. At least one TOS-1 and one TOS-1 loading vehicle i have seen abandoned and possibly captured.
PS: The russian armimg program since 2008 is introducing a wide range of new systems, but only in small numbers for the top units. Descending in unit hierarchy, the material gets older and older. The troops securing Moscow, Petersburg and Kaliningrad will be the ones with most of the new stuff. The ones they could expend to send into Ukraine mostly still use soviet era equipment. Rosgvardia units are probably not going to get their hands on an Armata in the next 20 years. That is, if Rosgvardia still exists in 20 years. Currently i don't make any predictions anymore.
@@tomitiustritus6672 And the (des)armata?
@@hansvanbrandwijk2803 I have not seen any mention, picture or video of one. And at least according to Wikipedia, even the test batch isn't shipped to troops yet. The first batch should have shipped in 2022 when they are done with the testing, as of before the invasion and sanctions.
So it's possible that they accelerate the program, given the new geopolitical situation and the impending rearmament campaigns in Europe. Or it could be that Russia can't even afford the first batch at that point, as rating agencies just rated Russia as "imminent sovereign defau!t", meaning Russia can't pay the interests on its state debts. It's really hard to say right now, as the predictions range from "HaHa, Russia doesn't care about your puny sanctions! Europe will collapse!" to "If this goes on for 3 months, Russias economy will be a potato field and a gas station.".
@@tomitiustritus6672 Thanks!
Leopard 2, no doubt about that !
nah i go for T14
It's impossible to win in a duel against a non-existing rival
The T-14 Armata has long been tested and is already in service. For your information.
@@3hawer then why is it not in use in Ukraine?
How many exist? 20?
The russians are dragging out old T62s from storage... why would they be doing that if they had any relevant number of T14s?
@@thomasbaagaard they've got photos of one somewhere in Ukraine.... but it's probably hiding behind the line somewhere. They wouldn't want to risk their very limited supply.
My money is on the Leopard series, seen them when in the Canadian Army, such beautiful beasts
Even if the Ukrainians don't get the 2A7's, they will have a tank that can turn the Russian tanks into scrap metal.
The T-14 has to be on the battlefield to be considered, and as yet, it is nowhere to be seen.
The Leopard 2 will win because the T-14 Armata hasn't left the factory.
The t14 is still a prototype and in testing face
If Russia and NATO went to war the leopard 2 would probably not meet the t14
It would most likely meet one of the tanks that Russia is using in Ukraine
And if I had to pick between the the leopard 2 vs the tank that Russia is currently using then I will pick German
Which would simply get destroyed by artillery and alike long before seeing any russian tank.
@@miriamweller812 well it's possible, anything can happen in war but this was about tank vs tank the leopard 2 vs the t14. It's difficult to put them up against each other because the t14 as far as I know is still a prototype and has not entered active service yet
Russia is currently using t72, t80 and t90 again as far as I know
The leopard 2 has been active for years and have seen combat and it's battle-tested
The t14 as far as I know not seen combat most likely because they're still testing it learning it how to best use the tank in the future
I can definitely see that it could be beneficial for crew protection that they are all in the Hall of the tank and not the turret
But I would still pick the leopard 2 over the t14 because it is battle-tested and it has seen combat and has been proven to be an effective weapon
@@miriamweller812 You must be a nazi russian.
В России есть ежегодные соревнования , называются они--- танковый биатлон.
Это соревнования на скорость, точность поражения мишеней, преодоление препятствий. Приезжайте танковыми экипажами, соревнуетесь с нами.
Это мирные, честные военные соревнования на мастерство.
зачем им участвовать в этом позорище с изгоями, у немцев есть еще довоенные постоянные тренировки обычных солдат на танках, а не отдельных единичных клоунов которые выступают перед публикой
После того, как у нас даже краповый берет начали покупать, я уже не знаю, где и что еще осталось честного.
Да они обосрутся сразу по этому и неедут чтобы непозорится
Приглашают в Россию, не вна Украину, только в ней правит клоун и позорище . ..
А не едут, значит боятся проиграть.
Ежели министр обороны баба, да ещё и гинеколог...
В НАТО есть свои соревнования Strong Europe Tank Challenge
T14 the best😘👍💪💪💪
I drove the Leopard 1 in 1973 -74 43 Tank Bat , Aesk , for the Dutch army in Germany.
Leopard 2 is battle tested with advanced training techniques firmly established...
My money is on the Leopard.. But I do like the ability of the Armata to fire a 5km range missile.. maybe Leopard 3 might have similar and maybe some thought into moving the crew to a hull down position as well, with an autoloading turret.. but if you have jams or misfires... that could be interesting, also maybe why the West as a whole hasn't..
But t14 is a true next generation tank
@@AlexanderSmith764 The T-14 is not built! That will have its reasons ;-)
@@Tyr002
Read the news of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in January, on the 24th, a large number of tanks are expected to arrive, there will be 374 units in total
@@Biboran. In Russia is always "a lot" expected! Let's wait for the confirmation ;-)
T-14: why u think u better?
Leopard: i am produced, i can drive
T-14: "failed engine noises"
The biggest difference between the Leopard 2 A7+ and the T-14 is that the Leopard is built with German engineering and the T-14 is a piece of Russian junk. 🇩🇪
You are living in a pink fantazy world, full of naive Western stereotypes.
@@istoria2111 Oh yes? Then take a look at the war in Ukraine, there you can see how well Russian technology works
@@leolos5281 Haha! What?? You really think so? No. What you saw, was a virtual reality spectacle on your TV-screen, fabricated by the enemy and its propaganda machine.
In reality, you don't know absolutely nothing. Your propagand machine leaves you totally clueless and ignorant.
First point, why do you think, does the Russian army need so long for this invasion? After it achieved the total sky control few days after the start of the operation?
@@leolos5281 PS: the latest and game changing Russian innovation works perfectly: the hypersonic missile Kinzhal, that demonstrated its effictivity and destroyed some Ukrainian targets perfectly from huge distances. No NATO country does have hypersonic missiles in service. Russian has already two types. Kinzhal can't be shoot down by any Western air defense system, by the way, while Russian systems are learning it, there have already been successful tests.
@@istoria2111 If Russia does not intend to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, then the use of hypersonic missiles is at best a waste of money, since these weapons are extremely expensive but with conventional warheads no greater effect than conventional cruise missiles. And since Russia, due to its crappy economy, is no longer able to produce such expensive weapon systems as Hypersonic missiles or the T-14, it is irrelevant whether, although I very much doubt it, Russian technology is better than Western technology or not.
It's not hard - in the long run the Leopard 2 wins. Why? Well, first of all they gotta build some T-14s. Maybe the T-14 will be better for the first 5 years, but then the maintenance of the Leopard 2 will be so much better. Also the training of the crew is better. Finally, when and if some T-14s are built they might be up against the Leopard 3.
Okay internet military expert. The maintenance of the Russian tanks are way cheaper and the engine of the tank can be replaced within 30 min in battle as he explained in the video. Serial production already started and the tank 2x cheaper
@@brutal_slav4257 uh not without western electronics appaRENTLY
My money is on the t-14. A single one is probably better in all aspects than the leopard, but having two of them for the price of one leopard... leaves the cat in the dust.
Lol
Recent information suggests that either tank can be taken out from the air or on the ground. Without good combined arms capability tanks are just large expensive targets on the modern battle field.
That's been true since the battle of Flers though. Combined arms has always been part and parcel of tank doctrine.
Absolutely right. Blow a track off with a mine, dead in the water. or mud.
The T-14 is *thee* GREATEST tank ever designed! It cannot be destroyed by any other tank, not even at point-blank-range. It is armed with a 16-inch naval gun that is accurate to 24 miles. It can drive along the ocean floor at close to 50 knots. It can fly! It can shoot down fighter jets, satellites, you name it! And it is equipped with the PIONEER FH-X830BHS Double Din Stereo system. It even has an ice cream maker! ... *(JUST DON'T TAKE IT TO A PARADE.)*
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Great vehicle. Does a tow truck belong to accessories?
And winner is the nearby farmer with his traktor🤣🤣
The 2 BEST Tanks in the World.
German Tank Leopard 2
and the new Leopard 3 will be the best Tank in the Wold
I don't think so. German tanks are very good, but France took over most of the design of that new tank. And to be honest, I don't really trust French designs.
Lol))
Leopard 3 (VT-1-2) already was buided he has 2 cannobs 120mm, don't have tower
It's was unlucky try of germans:))
@@vova_ermak Wrong. The Panzer VT1 in casemate design was a study (VT= Versuchsträger) for a successor to the Leopard 1 and was developed between 1972 and 1985. It has absolutely nothing to do with the development of the Leopard 2 successor MGCS (Main Ground Combat System).
@@kilik407 him name was "Leopard 3". Because you need wait Leopard 4, because 3 not good
@@vova_ermak Unfortunately, your words put together do not make any sense. 😂
Now you can try to compare the T-14 Armata with the KF51 Panther ... that would be interesting ...
Ich war 4 Jahre Kommandant auf dem leopard 2 a4. Ein sehr wirkungsvoll Waffe seiner Zeit.
Comparing a tank based on a concept from 1970 (updated sveral times), with a prototype tank from 2018? Meh... And by the way a Leopard produced in Russia would cost less than the Armata. EU workers are paid more than 4 times higher than Russians. Let's see next generation of Nato tanks.
Russian tech is trash and their military...
if you think the Leopard is a 1970's type your way out to lunch
Big question. How many of each can be produced during a conflict? It doesn’t matter how good your tank is if you’re outnumbered 20 to 1. That’s how shermans beat tigers.
If you mean the film sequence here on TH-cam, in which 3 Shermans fight against a tiger:
According to experts, the tiger would have won quite easily, it was only cinematically implemented so that the film is not over at that point.
Or T-72 against Leo)))
Bullshit, Sherman you say ha ha..my son, T 34 won the war...it was easy to come 1944 in Europe with Sherman when Tiger no more left ha ha
Der Benzinmangel und die dadurch eingeschränkte Bewegungsfreiheit hat doch wohl eher die Deutsche Panzerwaffe in die Knie gezwungen als die Shermans...
@@timholtermann9586 As in aviation, there is a shortage of personnel and a fallen quality of equipment. The tanks' real problems with fuel began in the Ardennes operation!
Yesterday and the day before yesterday, news appeared about the first Leopard 2s destroyed in this conflict. At the same time, there is no data on the lined Armata. Apparently, Armata, which exists only on paper, is capable of destroying real Leopards ...
Forbes article -
“Germany has only 236 tanks in its inventory as of 2022.”
Many countries around the world have bought used Leopard 2
Yes. Compared to more than 2000 in the end of the cold war, the 200 now are a joke. They should have stored them just like the Russians, and sold new ones instead.
Remember though, if the situation ever arose (a war) where Germany would need to deploy it's tanks, then over 30 other NATO member nations would also be deploying their military assets too.....
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No matter how cool a tank is, skill always decides
T-14 Armata would win every tank
Make the germany big again 😉😉. Greetings to germany from albania
Thanks, we will.👍
And I have good news for you as well: You can have Kosovo, and there will be a new peacekeeping alliance in the balkans, with all ex-yugoslavian nations, Albania, Bulgaria, the EU and Germany.
Shut up shiptar...
@@igormerdzanovski7465 🖕🖕🖕😅
Top trumps with tanks ? The Leopard ii is so far a much more proven and reliable platform than the highly conceptual T-14 Armata which is more of a wish-list than a tank.
It’s tested not combat proven. These stats are all real and he even provided video of all the systems inside the tank. You are only saying this because t-14 is better. Its the only 4th generation tank in the world
@@brutal_slav4257 then where is it? Last time i checked not even t90's are being used in ukraine its just been t72s and t80's
@@brutal_slav4257 uh if like any of the other Russian platforms demonstrated of late then it is simply a paper tiger
@@brutal_slav4257 real theory 🤣 it can't be better if if dosent exist
The Leopard 2 will win, because there are more than 8 of them and they actually work. It hardly matters how good a broken down T14 is or how good its armour is when it is attacked from all sides.
I love that you mentioned s number of times that production of the T14 hasn’t started yet. The Russians have been trying for many years to get the kinks worked out of this piece of garbage with no luck.
FYI at 9/6/2023, 2 leopard just got disabled by standart land mine.. in ukraine-rusia war.. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
The thing is the T-14 engine is based on the King Tigers 😂
one tank is main battle tank in several countries, second one is created specially for 9th may parades as a prototype, and was not noticed in any warfare
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The Leopard was not yet on the battlefield against other tanks but against paramilitary forces in Syria through Turkey. It was a merciless disaster for the tank, although it must be noted that the tanks were operated by Turkish soldiers.
@Eagle Same story with all made in Germany tools and machines.
@NAME Среди стран НАТО - бесспорно, вот только Россию отказываются пустить на эти соревнования даже на Т-90 или Т-72Б3, а на танковый биатлон, проводимый в России, в котором участвую десятки стран со всего мира, уже отказываются приезжать страны НАТО.
@@tujup10 No. Russia, explicit the leaders of Russia, always refused to give there tanks into the hands of a nato state. Most of the Tank biathlon are discharged between Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan-China. Germany wasnt even invited and most of the nato and eu states likewise.
@@luzifershadres Российский танковый биатлон - это ОТКРЫТОЕ мероприятие, участие в нем может принять любая страна мира. Повторюсь, из всех стран НАТО заинтересованность проявляла только Италия, но её колесный танк не подходил по регламенту, а использовать танки производства других государств НАТО ей запретили уже в самом НАТО.
that have old Leopard A4 tanks from the 1980s...great difference to the A7V nowadays...crew and unit training very important....are turkish good at this?
You forgot to say; the Russian T-14 has also toilet inside, and Leopard doesn't!
lol
Leopard 2's produced - 3,600+
T-14's produced - 20-25
Discussion ends.
The difference is, the Leopard is actually existing
Leopard is older generation tank. And i wouldnt rely much on german tech since they lost World war to the Russians,since then they are 3d world contyr without WMD and their own Space program
It would seem that tank on tank combat is fast becoming a non issue these days. Without proper support, tanks are very vulnerable to lethal hand held anti tank weapons.
It's never been the primary issue, so people keep saying it's going away, but it's not. They just think it used to be more important than it ever really was. However, it still is an important issue - what happens when an area is important enough that two forces want their tanks there?
PS, even the Germans in WW2 knew about the strengths and more importantly weaknesses of tanks, as they wrote "attacks against tanks with close combat weapons by a sufficiently determined man will basically always succeed." Of course, their anti-tank weapons had enough punch to even take out a Tiger II from the front, which can hardly be said for most if not all of the allied AT weapons, but still.
@@headhunter1945 Good points! A quick story from WW2. My father was in the Heavy British Royal Artillery and was using a 7.2 Howitzer during the Battle of the Bulge. He was on one side of a valley and had his gun ranged on the other side. They were ordered to let go at anything that appeared over the crest! At some point a rumbling was detected as three German tanks appeared. With a round already loaded the gun was fired and you could say it was a lucky shot but the shell had a direct hit on the centre tank which disintegrated. A 7.2 shell was effectively a 6 inch navel cruiser armament so that was one very unlucky Panzer crew.
@@johnnyhollis9977 haha, that is fantastic. I was meaning the hand held AT weapons, but if it works it works 😁
Leopard is a Beast ^^
Even before watching this, we already know which system is superior as many of the Leopard 2 tanks have been destroyed by the T-14 Armata in Ukraine recently. I will watch this anyway.
When the T-14 really gets in use Germany will provide the Leopard 3 beforehand ^^
A tank is a tool which is operated by crew. Seeing how capable Russian crew`s are, I believe the winner would be the nearby farmer with a towing truck :D
Tank crew doesn't mean much if you have no infantry and air defenses. Anyone can sneak up on a tank..
Aaaahahahahaha Comment of the day ! Love it.
Brainwashed
leopard 2 wins because there is no active T-14 Armata in active service and not likely to be any made of the production line any time soon
Idk if you heard but Russia has upped their production of equipment. Just recently they are producing the armatas finally. With the news of tanks being sent to Ukraine I'm sure we will see the armatas for sure. Just saw a video of Russians training in a t-14 Armata.
Dude, don't watch russian propaganda. T14 does not exist and never will.
BMW vs Lada 😄
Леопард 2/7существует в количестве 10 штук, а предыдущие версии этого танка - по боеспособностям на уровне т-72, т-90. Так, что за Арматой будушее!
The Leopard 2 would win simply because it would actually be maintained, have fuel and ammo and other combat/logistical support.
I heard the Russian Armata tank was used in Syria and did not fare well. Russia pulled them out because of being destroyed.
In light of the Russian army's latest...operation...I'm thinking the Germans would ace an encounter. You also must remember Russia's quality control. Also, one good hit to the turret of the Armata, will scramble the crap out of electronics.
Leopard 2 has been on the market for a long time and therefore the crew has many years of experience and knows exactly what it can do and how much it can be pushed.
The T-14 is new and not many have used it in war or have experience with it.
Experience and routines in pressure situations are very important to get the best out of the tank you operate
To people commenting on Leopard's cannon size: it was cold when it was filmed, alright? It's how they use it, what's really important.
is also worth noting that the T14 are all networked for guidance. And they all have a drone with a cable connection and can therefore be used indefinitely with everything such as day/night vision, IR, exhaust gas sensors, distance and target guidance functions. That means it is enough if one drone sees the target and everyone can shoot blindly to.
On the paper the Armata has impressive stats. Your comparison highlights a few weaknesses with the Leo2 in comparison, especially the cost. I believe crew training, intelligence, skill, and discipline will make the main difference in a battle. This and how fast they can be deployed including construction, and training.
Currently it looks like the Leo2 will mostly face older models as opponents. Here sufficient numbers and coordination also with other weapons will make the difference.
I think Russia has to prove that they are able to build a working prototype. The t14 was testet in Syria. We don’t know the test result but after the tests Russia canceled its order.
Considering that Russia is massing possibly 600’000 troops with T80s, T90s and the T14 with overwhelming artillery with their obviously armoured infantry and engineers and air assets. Who do you think is going to be the old steam roller?. 14 Challenger 2s..one Sqn worth, the Leopard2A6 from Germany the same amount, U.S M1A2s won’t arrive till the late summer when this will be nearly all over, as for what Poland is sending the original Leopard 2 with also their what looks like their own versions of what are based on older Russian kit? Are British-and German crews going to crew the Tanks?. It takes a ew months to learn everything about the D&M, Gunnery, radios, let alone to command and to really know how to maintain a work with each wagon. So we have the spares, the fuel and POL, Ammo..main armaments and machine guns ammo, Tanks, infantry, engineers, artillery work in Battle groups together. And this takes time. I can see who is going to in this and it was those who lifted and flew the Red Banner in Berlin. Looks like March for the big push.
@@aluimmumitat The T-14 has yet to go through a peaceful parade on its own power. Only Russian logic would put something like that in battle. But then again, more meat for the grinder.
How can the Russian people stand up for this crap? Durak!
@@jamesglass4842 I also believe Russia will make a push before the modern tanks are fielded. I doubt Ukraine will be able to deploy a sufficient number of the modern tanks including skilled men and material. Probably not early enough to prepare against the early push. If Ukraine can withstand that, they will have a chance to push back. I believe this war may take longer. So far Ukraine has been defending admirably.
@@jamesglass4842 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡
Looking at Russian tanks in Ukraine I'd say the Armata is the same as the others Russian tanks and a part of the Russian equipment:
Only really good on paper.
some russian tanks are really good, especially soviet era ones. the crew does make a difference
Well who knows maybe here in a couple weeks we’ll find out in the real world.
German engineering of all its AFVs is, once again, way ahead of its time. Question is would NATO be able to hold off a full scale Russian armoured onslaught?
NATO has more tanks now than the Russians have. And half the Russian tanks are obsolete. Look what happened to the Russian Tanks used by the Iraqis in the Gulf War. It was a slaughter!👍
@@northernninjafoto3230 das stimmt zwar zum Teil aber man kann das russische Militär im ganzen ja nicht mit der der Iraker vergleichen.
Man kann so was gar nicht vergleichen da der armata noch nicht ausgereift ist und noch gar nicht in Serienproduktion ist...
Was nützen den Deutschen die neuen Pumas wenn der ganze Elektronik Schrott nicht belastbar eingesetzt werden kann.. .zum Vergleich...
@@northernninjafoto3230 Nato doesn not have more tanks than Russia. Maybe more aircrafts but tanks no way. US tanks at the momment are operative about 57%. So dont be so sure about it. 😉
Current evidence says yes, given how easily Russian tanks are knocked out by Javelins, for which they lack any effective countermeasures.
@@klausgramm9176 Da hört dir in Moskau wohl keiner zu, egal ob du Krieg willst oder nicht.
Just by acknowleding that there are only a few T-14 even built right now and not many soldiers got to train on them i would give the Leopard 2 a small advantage right now, as soldiers have been training on it for quite a while and know all its quirks. T-14 might be superior on paper, but in a real battle what makes the biggest difference all other factors being equal is the experience of the crew that operates it.
But all other factors are not equal. T14 has technological advantages that not the best Leopard crew could equalize, like a hardkill system against ATGMs. Also as we have seen in Syria the Leopard has a design flaw with the ammunition rack next to the driver that when hit let the whole tank explode. Id clearly prefer sitting in a T14 than Leopard, it is much safer for the crew
@@WackyJackyTracky Sure the 14 that exist can win a war??!!
@@alpearson9158 I am not talking about winning a war, just comparing tech specs.
14 tanks wont make a change, just lkke 14 Challenger 2s is just nonesense. Actually even 200 Leopards cant cope with russians thousands of tanks still in depo. Only the US sending thousand Abrams tanks could make a difference
I know this is silly, but having seen how horrendous Russia's attempt at building a decent car have been, it is hard for me to imagine them building a complex tank that did not have serious issues, particularly in the early stages of serial production.
Not fair comparison, T 90S vs Leopard 2.
T-90M
Tank battle scenarios a la Kursk are rare in modern combat. So even the T14 superiority in reach (with laser-guided rounds) and rate of fire due to automatic loading might favor it in a duel, that has limited practical relevance. isolated or unsupported tanks are easy and favorite targets and have short survival time in modern combat.. But other than this is a fair and useful comparison, e.g. if you need to buy tanks.
Thank you.
Russia is supporting their tanks, is not isolated. Nato on the other hand will be unsupported and quite isolated seeing they have lots of different types of wapens mixed in with there own older weapon systems, limited training unless they will use more nato troops than they currently are.
If Russia could buy the Leopard 2, the Abrams or Challenger, they would. But they can't. That is all that is needed to say.
*LEOPARD 2 would win cause it's actually being produced* 🤣
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Interesting video, but in general it is difficult to compare a purpose-built tank like the Leopard 2A7+ with a prototype like the T-14 Armata.
For example one could either compare the Leopard 2A7+ with the currently deployed Russian tank, or the prototype of the planned T-14 Armata, with the planned and new tank Leopard 3 (Franco-German project), about which, however, almost no information is known.
Wieso mit den Franzosen? Das kann Deutschland besser alleine ..!
@@illyrian0695 es ist ohnehin falsch, Franzose zu sein.
Sprach einst der große Philosoph Al Bundy.
@@illyrian0695 Non les français ont des optroniques bien meilleurs. Et des chargeurs auto depuis des décennies. L idée est de faire la tourelle d un leclerc sur une caisse de leopard. le tout modernisé. Les allemands ont trop de retard dans ces domaines. Par contre pour les avion du futur la France n a pas besoin de l Allemagne. Les derniers Rafales sont justes exceptionnels. Un peu de modestie.
YOUR DAD IS A PROTOTYPE U IDIOT, ARMATA SHOWN HOW IT EASILY CRASHES UKRAINIAN TECHS ON BATTLEFIELD, WAKE UP FROM COMA MORAN
@@illyrian0695 Французы и Немцы имеют очень короткую память, они уже целовали сапоги Русского солдата в париже и берлине. На этот раз пожалеть вас не получится, после даже одной ракеты " сатана" которая имеет 10 головок по 10 килотонн, способна уничтожить 10 франций или 10 германий. История глупцов не учит, значит готовьтесь удобрять своими телами землю, может на месте евросоюза поселятся лет через ......, когда земля очистится, заселят более умные племена, чем старогерманцы, страдающие нацизмим.
I dont have to listen to this to know they will be biased against the Russsian tank ..even though Russians know more about tank warfare than anybody else