The Art And Science Of Time Trialling With David Millar
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- We learn more about the 'race of truth' with ex-professional time trialling expert David Millar. Millar's new film Time Trial premieres today and he discusses this and lots more with Si whilst cruising the lanes of Girona.
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What's your top tip for time trialling? 👇
Alliteration
Make sure you can actually ride on your TT bike, the first TT I did with mine my muscles seized up and I went slower than I was on a road bike. Epo helps too.
It's OK to slow down and go easy at times then I'm not struggling to be authoritative through the finish.
Ride
Try and hone in a real sense of focus, zero distractions and just a fixation on the task at hand. Also reminding yourself to stay present and above all listen to the feedback from your body - can i go faster?
Simon is remarkably smooth and steady on the bike.
I was thinking the same thing! I was about to comment how much I like just watching Simon ride. Knees straight up and down, upper body still, physical geometry juuust right. Bike fit perfect.
It's almost as if he was very recently a professional cyclist or something.
Compared to freewheelin', swervin' and more recent pro DM it's worth mention.
Yah many ex pros ride perfect. They get setup and hold the position...... they also probably stayed very flixble and etc which carried over to the civilian life
I presume you aren’t going to buy this film Si, but will wait until you can get it cheap in a charity shop instead...
Honestly one of the best GCN videos i've seen for a long time- good work guys! and thank you
Thanks Dylan 👍
Agreed
Certainly it's still behind '10 ways to lean against your bike' tho...
Saw Time Trial a few days ago followed by a Q&A David Millar and the films Producer. The movie is excellent! I would say more 'art-house' than documentary in style, but a totally fantastic watch for any cycling fan (or movie maker). David is the best pundit / commentator out there, consistently adding detail to what just happened or is about to happen in a race that other's just don't seem to mention. Yes, he made mistakes, yes he doped, he also served his time and is building the sport. So thank you David and GCN for an excellent video.
Had the privilege of watching David time trial in person during the 2014 commonwealth games. Literally just down my street. Those are some strava segments I won't get near.
Can we please get a bike check of David's Factor cause it's gorgeous!
This is probably the best segment gcn has ever done. I like this format.
Glad you enjoyed it Kevin
Really great video! Probably my favorite GCN video so far. This mentality applies to so much in life and competition. Thank you!
I’ve just started Time Trialling and his methodology into how to cope psychologically is brilliant!! I’ll try it out next week at my Club 10! Thanks guys, as usual a brilliant video.
Always good to hear advice from David!!
David Millar is just so knowledgeable and interesting he is an absolute must read/listen/watch for me. Can’t get enough of his honest insight into all aspects of Cycling He is without doubt the best pundit out there. Thank you David and thank you GCN.
Glad you found the video interesting Jimbojet
Fantastic video - huge thanks to David and love the look of Factor bikes. Great stuff!
I have to say, one of maybe ‘The’ best GCN vids ever, and I have enjoyed everyone!
Awesome!
great advice from an ex-pro. Forget about the other stuff, it's history for DM. He's got one of the best insights into the pro-scene and shares it all in brilliant detail.
Absolutely loved this interview! Great insight and tips from David.
Thanks Niels
Good god, David miller talks and makes so much sense. My commute may just get faster. Thanks David. Will definitely catch the film.
Absolutely fantastic film 🎥 so honest and what a fantastic bloke . Nice work Simon. Best GCN I’ve seen
Thanks Richard, glad you enjoyed it
Another great video. Si's 'science' videos are great. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it Anna
I always enjoy David Millar. A very articulate, thoughtful, and intelligent person.
...really good interview Si and great insight into David Millar's mindset, thanks - great video
David nailed it in my eyes.... Having a picture in your head (of what/who is around you) and pedal up, recover down. 👍 👍 👍
I love david millar. His humility and intelligence after a doping ban is awesome. Such a great guy to talk to and really passionate.
Production value just keeps going up!
Thanks Ari
Good video. Really interesting to hear the ideas of someone who has quite clearly thought very carefully about the process.
Glad you enjoyed it
I have been waiting for a decent Time Trialling video from GCN for a while. as it is a subject that they seem to have only slightly touched on. This was great. I started taking Time Trialling 'seriously' this year and am looking for all the good advice I can find. This was excellent useful advice. Too many of these comments are about what he did once. Yes that is a shame. He regrets it as well. However, if we only focus on those people who are always perfect, have never made a mistake, (or seem so) and never listen to all the good advice they also have, then there would be no-one to listen to at all. He has applied talent. It is how he thought about things and applied them that we can take away from this. (Including how he now things about what he once did with the drugs). I also like David Millar's insights into the cycling tactics on TV. He seems to be able to articulate the tactical thinking that is going on, very clearly, that others are vague about. Please GCN, do more on Time Trialling techniques of racing (not just the kit). Especially with David M. PS Am looking forward to seeing the film as well. Thanks.
One of the better GCN pieces. I like these on the road interviews. Maybe make them longer. I'm sure theres more great info. We do have the attention span.
Thanks Sully for the suggestion
Looking forward to David's tour de France commentary, he is the best.
This new series of insights are brilliant, is good to get all these insight an it gives you a new focus on how to improve if you choose to. Great job Si!
Glad you enjoyed it rrobotman
Global Cycling Network I certainly did and I am looking forward to the next one! 👍
Incredible tips thanks David
I love listening to David Millar, speaks so well. A real cool cat.
Maybe he can do more frequent guest appearances
Thank you David Millar.!!
Amazing roads and Si's Trek 😍
Thanks to David and Si for this good video.
Great Q&A in the Edinburgh Film Festival!
Awesome video. Fascinating.
Thanks Noah
Just watched the video and enjoyed it but then read the comments. It's nice to see how many people in their live's must have been perfect and never made a mistake. People after an edge is something that's gone on for all time and is present in all walk's of life you just have to look and you'll find it.
that tire clearance though! Oooo baby!
Am I the only one who thought this title was "The art and science of time traveling"? I'll be honest, I was VERY disappointed when I realised I was wrong.
For what it's worth, there's a 'bike mechanic' everyone knows in my city who LEGIT believes he time travels. And talks to aliens on the regular. Laces up the greatest wheels though.
Simons a really good rider and David's mid section doesn't move in comparison pretty incredible the level of second nature mastery 🏆😮
Yep great vid folks, he’s a decent fella too and always enjoy his commentary on the telly, looking forward to seeing the movie 👍
Glad you enjoyed the video, we are looking forward to it too!
great conversation!
Lovely stuff, really like the the ride and chat format. The doping comments below are quite lovely too, heaven forbid anybody rehabilitate themselves and move forward with their life ey, the cheek of it!?
GCN should make a documentary. With all these cool panning shots
Thanks!
Nice GCN Club socks David! cool....
Nice vid. Good to hear DM
Glad you liked the video Gary
Great video. Thanks
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it
I love listening to DM speak. He doesn't have any particular accent left anymore and looks to be putting an effort to ensure that his speech is very very clear.
You should ask him to join you guys for a couple of episodes and perhaps pair up with Emma to do race reports. :)
Great Video !
Thanks
Very Nice to hear a pro. have trained like I prefer :)
Yesss (before watching)
Great video.Si appeared to be hanging onto every word.
Great vid 👍👍👍
lad you enjoyed it
People who had to epo are victims as much as anything. They had to work hard to get to pro level. They had a dedication and love of achievement and obviously talent. They then learn that or isn't enough at the very top. To really compete they have to do what the other guys are doing, to make one more sacrifice. So they do it. It's that or you're probably out.
I never was in that spot so I won't judge.
I couldnt have said it better people Who never done the sacrifiation shouldnt talk about it
Narrow bars. Good vid 👍
Well, I'm a David Millar fan, and I enjoyed this. I miss his time in the peloton, and I wish I could hear him and Ned Boulting do commentary on the races. I am not, however, going to take any of his advice, because all I can "visualize" when I contemplate a time trail is deep, lingering pain.
Excellent video. My top time trialing tip: Watch this video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I see David has changed his mind about disc brakes. Excellent video, Si. Perhaps copping the most heat since nutrition eisode a while back.
Just like any pro/former pro riding discs, he's doing it for money.
Glad you enjoyed the video Michael
Global Cycling Network course I did!
Great video! David is so knowledgeable about all things cycling especially contre la montre.
To those that keep bringing up his doping, I suggest you read his book (2nd hand copy of course! ;) ) People change. He did a lot of anti-doping work after turning clean.
On a side note, I know he moved around a lot as a child, I can't remember reading it, but did he spend any time in the west country as his accent has a whiff off it!?
Glad you enjoyed the video
Thanks David. Do you get a lot of cycling fans visiting there to ride the roads and hope to catch some of the pros out? Thanks for the ride along.
Great vid with DM. TT isn't my thing, but he'd be fascinating just talking about tyre pressures. Interesting he uses discs. Plus that café, those roads...*jealous*
Yes Girona is stunning! Thanks Sam
More publicity and money for David Millar. It was clearly worth it, well done.
On Millar‘s pacing technique based on speed: There’s a reason for it to be a good technique. Basically, it’s the nature of air drag. The air drag force increases to the power of two with increasing speed. Other drag forces are not speed depending (approximately). The Energy that you need to overcome the drag forces for a given distance is the the integral of drag force times differential distance, so basically the summ of all the distance peaces times the particular drag force on this part for the whole distance.
If there wouldn’t bee air drag, or if all the drag forces would be speed independent, then the needed energy for a given track would bee the average drag force times the distance. Then one could pace his ride as he wishes without needing more energy for a given average drag force. (Here I‘m considering that energy losses due to braking are always the same. By the way: acceleration drag is energy conservative, therefore, in absence of air drag and elevation gain, a heavy rider with a heavy bike would need the same amount of energy).
Because of the nature of air drag with its squared law velocity dependency, the needed energy for a given distance and a given time (i. e. average speed) is pacing depending and at its minimum for constant speed. So, every time one rides faster than the average speed, he loses energy unnecessarily, just like unnecessary braking. Every time one rides slower than the average speed, he lowers the average speed and therefore makes the faster parts inefficient. For a time trail, pacing is quite strait foreword: 1) Divide the distance by your target time and get the needed average speed. 2) Hold your speed as close as you can to this average speed, and you‘ll need the least amount of energy. If there is any energy left at the end, than lower your target time and try again.
The speed should be considered as relative to air velocity. In fact, for best efficiency time trailists should measure the „air speed“, not the „road speed“. If there is a head wind at one section then one should go slower, if there is a tail wind then one should go faster accordingly, maintaining the same „air speed“. If there is cross wind, then it depends heavily on the particular aerodynamic package of rider plus bike plus wheels, whether one should go faster or slower for best energy efficiency.
What Millar describes as becoming his second nature is the fact that he has found the most energy efficient time-trail pacing intuitively.
I did some tts in st albans in the late 90s 10 milers weekly and i was a climber ,i got my best results by absolutely going for speed records of the descent 90kph.instead of 70 and keep it on the flat..
You have to use the momentum of speed.
A climber mindset will not do well u HAVE to cane the descents for that momentum.
I used to do them on a road bike no tt bars ver very hard work
Honestly do not neglect the high speed sections if yoiu have 70kph carried into a hill you will maintain much better speed up that hill,momentum is everything.
Climbers cannot tt because they try and go 30kph up the climb and catch breath on the down hill.
David Millar always seems he's got massive information to get out to the world yet is pained to get it there...great info.video that couldve got longer ;)
I have a question, just came back from 100 miles (in more civilised units 160km) And I'd love to know how to prevent myself from cuting my own legs off beacuse of the pain.
Observe Rule #5.
We will see, but tomorrowm I'm not sure if I'm able to crawl to my bed.
What a great video. Well done. I am glad GCN got somebody who can talk well and has something interesting to say. Other pro cyclists aren't great talkers.
I noticed that presenters must pedal when they are talking while riding so the freehub doesn't disturb.
The movie sounds like it would be really good! Frustrating that it isn't available in the US yet though.
Loved the insights but did you film this from a Massey Ferguson?
Is that the Emonda or Domane that Si is riding? Looks great in that colour.
Cheers Dave.
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Millimole !! ? Great word
SI, nice bike. Can you do a video on it? And Emma too on her light blue bike. Thanks
Got a question: Which outer rim width would be more aero or recommended to fit 25mm tires, 25mm or 27mm? #TorqueBack
More of David Millar please any other high ex-pros please ( Robert Millar's story where Indurain reeled in his possible stage win on the TdF, which was completely unnecessary what are his thoughts today?
I did enjoy the video, but I hope that Si only pays a charity to watch the film ( a la his rules with charity shops and former dopers books)
Tom Cycles Yes that is a very good point, I’d not thought of that. I bought David’s books too.
@@simonrichardson5259 give them to a charity shop and buy them back so that you can redeem yourself.
Is it possible to watch or buy the film in Canada?
Simon, did I spot you and the Mrs in Southmead Hospital on Wednesday afternoon!?
This video could have been 30 seconds long . "To get good at time trailing do time trails" . Brilliant video thou
Excellent post! What’s the name of the David Miller movie/ film?
Time Trial
When is the film available in the USA?
TAMPICO TAM!!!!
Only when any options were unavailable, Millar finally admitting taking banned performance-enhancing drugs. L'Équipe, France, 29 July 2007. "David Millar, chronique d'un retour annoncé". Cyclismag.com. 28 January 2006. Archived from the original on 19 October 2014. Retrieved 15 March 2016.
Of course you had high recovery and high lactate tolerance. "If someone is looking for an edge?"-Simon LOL great question
How do you recon? Good video subject.
Si, given your oft stated position about buying some former cyclist books, I'm quite surprised to see you doing this interview and telling people to go see his movie. Several times, you commented about "having this conversation 20 years ago". Given his history, it might have been a different conversation and some of his recommendations might not be applicable today. All that said, it was an interesting discussion, I'm just surprised that you agreed to do it.
is David wearing the GCN CC socks??
He is indeed
Should get the 58kg fish packer to show us his secrets 😂
No interested in the politics. David has released some interesting information, here and in other videos on TH-cam. Take the info and worry less about the doping etc, because they are/were all on it. The info and advice is what it is....useful.
looks like you're both rockin' some pretty wide rubber! we gonna get a bike check on that badboy?
Oh and btw Si, what are those glasse? They look amazing!
They are Roka 👍
Great video guys. Really enjoyed hearing from David and hearing a little more on how he approached things and it is quite refreshing that you can still go super fast without always looking at you power⚡ . Really good advise on how you just need to prepare and know what your facing in a course.📚 Top stuff Si and David... Would love to see an Ask GCN with David/Emma/Dan... Just Garmin Cervelo tales galore😉
Thanks John, glad you enjoyed it
Good film, although the sound was a bit brash. How fast are David and Simon going? I'm new to cycling.
Thanks guys! TIME TRIAL is screening in UK cinemas now, find a screening near you: www.timetrialfilm.com/uk
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Nice Valegro :)
Anyone know what glasses David is wearing?
Read this as 'The Art and Science of Time Travelling With David Millar'
If only!
Technically, the more you approach the speed of light, the slower time will be going for you
David has narrow, well padded handlebars. Good aero and comfy ?