Settling Quadro VS GeForce GPU For Autodesk 3D CAD *With NEVER SEEN BEFORE CONCLUSIVE Evidence!*
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- The Nvidia Quadro VS GeForce confusion never seems to die down! But I might have something that puts your mind at rest, context required, observe for your delectation and delight.
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0:00 Introduction
0:54 About the Channel & Setting Expectations
1:47 What is a "GPU" feat. the GP104
5:22 Why are Quadros more expensive
10:24 Why I chose GeForce
12:51 The proof that GeForce is suitable
19:12 Should you get Quadro or GeForce though?
23:40 Outro
#Tech3D #Autodesk #Nvidia #Quadro #Geforce - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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PLEASE READ...!!! There is no Autodesk & Nvidia conspiracy to sell you Quadro cards! Repeating what I said in the video... Autodesk do not list Geforce cards on the Certified Hardware website because Nvidia do not provide 3D CAD bug fixes for them. If Autodesk listed my GTX 1070 on the Certified Hardware website and I found a graphical bug, I would be within my rights to demand that Autodesk resolve it, but Autodesk can't fix Nvidia driver issues. Nvidia fix Nvidia driver issues. But Nvidia won't fix it if it's an issue with a Geforce driving being used on 3D CAD, because Nvidia only support Quadro being used with 3D CAD! So Autodesk would not be able to resolve that issue for their customer due to reasons that are out of their control. So to avoid this from happening, they have no choice but to omit Geforce cards from that Certified Hardware website. I have to ask you to trust me on this one, Autodesk would list Geforce cards on there if they could, and Autodesk get absolutely nothing zero zilch from Quadro sales, why would they.
Finally, this th-cam.com/video/OnOtGrX_dBk/w-d-xo.html for those who are about to tell me I'm wrong or mistaken.
And for people not believing this, if you check _any_ other CAD software it is the same deal, not just Autodesk. As much as NVIDIA's pockets are deep, they are not as deep as to buy every single CAD software company into doing this. Why would dassault accept that cash, when their products make the cash? Putting things into perspective they easily make enough cash with a single CATIA seat to allow anyone else to get 5 competent gaming rigs for lan parties. Now add Siemens, Autodesk and Creo, and you see that it is nigh impossible, even less if you add other CAD softwares. And NVIDIA does so to prevent any kind of cannibalization of their margins, it is the same deal with GPU virtualization. Check error 43 for that one. They are the only ones manufacturing Quadros, which is where the gross profit margins are.
I understand now.
It's not about making money but it's about limiting their responsibility to reasonable limits, and while that sounds like a bad business practice to some extent (certainly if you were making games for the consumer market for instance) , it is also really sensible.
Why would you recommend say "any graphics card made in the last 5 years" when you're then going to be responsible for providing support for 500+ possible gpus. When you could just limit that list of recommended products and then only provide tangible support for 20 GPUs and then you can guarantee to be able to deliver the service and support that people or businesses paying £2k a year would expect.
@@Nickgowans Exactly. Although Autodesk support you, if you needed a fix for a graphics related bug, Autodesk may need Nvidia's cooperation which they won't get if its a bug reported on a Geforce product. For that reason alone, Autodesk can't provide and guarantee 'support' for Geforce cards because they won't get it from Nvidia. It would 100% be in Autodesks interest to say they support Geforce cards, it makes their software more accessible or perceptibly accessible, but yep it's a liability thing. And you're right there are hundreds of variations of Geforce cards, all with different PCB layouts, VRAM manufacturers, BIOS configurations, objectively Geforce cards to trip out generally more often than Quadro and if that happened whilst using Inventor the customer will contact Autodesk... how could they possibly help if the problem is a faulty BIOS on a cheap variant of a GTX1050 from Ebay! So hopefully that makes sense, still might make a video on it though as these comments are easy for most people to miss!
While all this is a fair point... the real question is - how often does Geforce functionality bug out to the extent that it affects your ability to do work? If you're talking about once a month, go for the Quadro every time. If its once every five years, that's a harder argument to make!
But can anyone tell how frequent are the functional bugs with Nvidia Geforce that one has to consider spending extra on quadro?
Well done for having the patience to do this video. I'm a solo contractor and have Quadro, but only because if 100% of my workforce, I.e. me, cant work, that's zero money coming in! I need the food for winter and all that. Very well done mate 👍
Im building 2 work stations for new employees and this video was of extreme help. Thank you for your time and expertise.
Ths was by far the best video providing excellent explanation in regards to Quadro cards and Geforce cards. I am so happy I came across your video. Thank you.
Excelent vid, mate...thanks! Goes nicely with your other previous hardware-focused videos...
This was very helpful. Thank you so much. It's good to know I have someone I can take advice from when it comes to CAD when there seems to be little talk of it on TH-cam.
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Would give more than a thumb up because you explained differences I had been looking before buying my laptop and could not find anyone explains it simply and honestly!
Thank you so much, Neil! I'll add this to the Inventor Bible and use it as gospel as the amount of depth, research and expertise are unrivaled. This combined with your AU class and a few of your other videos completely destroys any misconceptions, corrects them, and then gives the background for explanation and context.
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but wait.. if there's a GPU issue because of Windows update, you can always revert to older version until stable drivers are realsed?
I feel grateful, kind of like I can go and get some good sleep now!
You are literally the best, following you means I could unfollow dozens of gaming channels.
I knew a lot about it, but you just sorted all that data into my mind and your evidence is a great help.
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Was about to buy my laptop and was confused with all the information. This video was a real piece to the puzzle. I can now connect all that i have been hearing. Just thinking all this information is for free, even gets me wowed. You simply made it drinkable! Thanks much.
Just discovered this channel. Been looking for this kind of info for ages. Thanks for the vid.
Thank you for thoroughly explaining this one. I couldn't figure out what they offered considering the price.
Looking for this answer for a very very long time and finally found it. Thanks for your time and explanation.
Ive worked with it support for a big architect so ive come across alot of issues over the years and theres definatley issues thats been resolved with installing diffrent certified drivers. Most Autocad and Revit applications have very broad support of cards though while software like Sketchup and 3ds Max were alot more sensitive to which drivers were used. I agree with your summary. Oh man do I dread the win 10 updates. They always manage to eff something up. Yes you are 100% on point
Wow this video has cleared up soo much confusion! Thank you!! I’m so glad you mentioned the part about buying a Quadro card if you’re building a workstation for a company. I’m building computers soon for my company and was almost going to buy the nvidia 3070 cause why not....but now I see why it makes sense to buy the Quadro for that 2% chance the card glitches 👍🏼!
the problem is the test for Solidworks (and some other) varies more than this Autodesk software; I am talking about 20 FPS vs 190 FPS in some instances.
@@hunglukenguyen so the RTX gives you 20 fps?
@@KyleTO7 yes, I tested many "pro" card vs "consumer" card and there are still huge difference in some tests (Catia, Solid works, this is the SpecsViewPerf benchmark).
If you were about to build your computer with the 3070 because "why not", I guess your biggest problem would not be that 2% chances of the 3070 failing honestly. If you want success in your company you need to make big decisions for a cause, and not just because "why not"
Thanks so much, you’ve made it a lot clearer for me now💯
Thanks so much for this video. I bought a Quadro card a few years back and have been looking at upgrading. It's comforting to know I don't necessarily have to drop the big bucks for the Quadro...although Pandemic era RTX pricing makes the Quadros more price competitive and they're available, lol.
Thank you ! It helps me go with the GeForce. I am a contractor working from home doing SolidWorks assemblies and some rendering for fun.
I like this man.... Where have you been in my TH-cam routine!! I'm both into gaming but also a student for engineering with a bit of graphic design too and for AAGES I got confused on if 3D CAD software can run on Geforce GTX/RTX gpu's or much preferred Quadro...
You have cleared so much stuff up both simply yet in complex detail to why and how. THANK YOU!!
Iam bad at english, and iam architecture. So what did he say about it is quadro better? Iam gonna buy acer conceptd 7 pro do you think it's good dor lumion
awesome video mate. I'm very late to this party, but I've been using mostly non-Quadro cards since the 90s and I am still scratching my head as to why one would bother...
Your talk about home user/contractor vs company (IT department) deployment is 100% spot on. IT department wants to be sure it will work. As a contractor, I very well know that the GForce works. I have had several opportunities to let the Quadro shine - but it never has!
fwiw, I mostly run NX.
Great video mate. Everything is clear now. :)
Brilliant video, clearest explaination of GeForce Vs Quadro I have seen. Do you think that the Nvidia Studio Drivers (some what) eliminate/reduce the potential driver 3D App driver issues for GeForce?
And would your recommendations be the same for Rhino/Vary and SketchUp/Vray workflows?
Thanks
Thanks a lot for this great video! Priceless info!
Man, you saved me a lot of money with your video. Looking for a GPU for Revit Autodesk and Blender, Quadro card was all I had in mind. I am an architect working alone in Brazil, where US dollar is above the sky. Here, you can by almost 3 RTX 2060 for the price of 1 Quadro RTX 4000. Thank you very much!
Great video and explanation of Quadro vs Geforce for Autodesk 3D CAD Software.
very informative video neil, well done mate. I have a 2080Ti in my workstation, works a treat and is also good for gaming
It's a double bonus! Our working from home PCs can double up as mental gaming rigs!
Very useful explanation, informative, great content, subscribed.
Well done! I don't care about the length of the video as long as they are informative. Yours are very informative. I like it!
Great info, being a CAD sw developer I bought a quadro because my office machine has one , and I wanted to practise at home on the same as well.
Hey TFI great vid as usual! Specially for engineers nor gamers, would you say similar could apply to laptops? Though mobile GPU gets more complicated with soo many maxQ, super, etc.
Well, thanks for you explanation. That makes sence now why those Quadro cards are crucial for professianal use. 👍
Great explanation, thanks! I use a Geforce GTX 1070 and was wondering what was the next step for upgrading the CAD system.
i always revisit this every upgrade and every time the geforce comes out ahead but with geforce prices lately... i just might be checking out quadros after all.
Thanks very much for your video! I was building PCs for my Architecture Office and the last one had an issue where the PC completely froze with a GTX 1650. Will buy Quadros in the future just to not be in the situation you mentioned - also if it means paying about €500 more per workstation than for a GTX-Build.
WOW. Finnaly workstation videos on there graphic cards.
The right information at just the perfect time!
Thanks for the insightful investigation.
Thanks a lot very satisfying explanation.i got enlighted :'D
Thanks so much Neil all your videos have helped me so much. Wondering if you have a video on project geometry what would you use each item for?
I have a project geometry tutorial th-cam.com/video/LFgue2aZyWY/w-d-xo.html but I don't think I cover all the different types, just the regular project geometry.
The best video about this topic i have ever seen. Thanks 👊
Much appreciated man thanks
You broke this down much more than I ever would have. I'm a cad, gps, and 3d modeler/designer for an excavation company. I came down to the exact same assertion you did. I run a P2200 and some of the large design meshes and and lidar or photogrammetry topo must be looked at in 3D and have taken that card up to 80%. I have run them in a home computer as well, the only thing I have noticed is that the gamming card tended to run about 5 degrees warmer and is louder. Performance was the same. I also decided to go with the pro card because I have 4 ports I run three screens at my workstation and I am plugged into a tv monitor in our conference room which is right outside my door. Civil 3Ds biggest killer is still the CPU and probably always will be as its mostly a single threaded program. I have this later argument with a lot of people.
Amazing info and excellent video.
Thank you so much for this content!
Thanks man, you just help me to decide
GOD Bless you....
You saved me time and money... Thankyou...
One of my buddy just did what you said about GeForce. Windows 10 update 20H2 Sent 120 GeForce workstations crashing. Costing the client almost $2 million dollars in loses. His business will probably be going into litigation, because he promised that it GeForce drivers are sufficient and supported for business applications. For 1K profit per machine, its not worth it! You can see forums after forums of people asking for help with autodesk, because of memory errors, and software crashes with GeForce hw, but Nvidia doesnt give a shet.
Are use a P 400 QuadroWorks perfectly fine and power mill 2022
He literally said near the end of the video that businesses should buy the professional cards for employees doing mission-critical tasks.
AutoCAD at work crashes all the time for dumb reasons on a machine running a Quadro
Great video ! Thank you !
Soon or later all GPUs might have the need for ECC memory error check due to the high amount of VRAM they keep adding over the years...
I would resume Quadro is like a Xeon CPU, design to work 24/7 with very low error rates/stability, power consumption and improve parallel calculations if any.
Absolutely the most helpful for in me choosing a card, Thank you, you cleared it up for me when you said home VS office and Geforce processors vs Quad.can you advise between the 10 or16 series GTX cards ? Thank you AGAIN !!
Hello there, Where does that Graphics Certification Tool come from? I've searched the web for something like it and cannot find a thing. Any feedback would be appreciated.
Great explanation. I have to recommend a GPU to the boss for Inventor 2019. I can now go in to him and lay it out for him. Cost versus potential stability.
Thankyou for this TOP video. I agree with you!
Very informative video, shout outs from México
Thanks for your video.. very very accurate!
Great information on this topic
Awesome video. So just a question. I use Autocad Arch. 2014 for drawing up Architectural plans, elevations etc. I only draw in 2 dimension. I import a lot of pdf and jpeg images to trace. I currently use an Nvidia Quadro K2000 that has 2 GB of ram (recommended by autodesk at the time of purchase going on 10 years ago. When zooming in and out of a floor plan image the imagery is jerky and very slow. I am sourcing parts for a new workstation build for my home office work. In my situation, would you still recommend the Geforce over the Nvidia? You've got a new subscriber. Thanks
This is excellent! I'm not making any money (yet...hopefully?) with my CAD and CAM computer, but it needs a real graphics card. I will start shopping for GeForce immediately!
That is really really eye opening 👍👍👍👍👍
I watched a video that benchmarked cards on specview perf - which seems to test cards based on the requirements of programs like Autodesk Maya and solidworks and even a Quadro P2000 was on par with the most expensive geforce and consumer grade AMD cards. Are quadro cards specifically tailored at performing the tasks associated with 3d rendering?
Thank mate! I know it is not your area but would you have an idea if an engineer like myself using inventor alongside Ansys would benefit from a quadro?
Excellent intro... what is the difference between the autocad, solidwork etc to me they are different brands of 3D modelling / rendering software?
Great content here...yeah I wish this video was existed few years ago.
My experience with Soliworks is quite similar and yes if you know how to set a few things on your cad and card software, you are good to go with other video cards
Honest question: arent quadros faster on the same task though? One thing is to be compatible and pass the test (as you said, is not a performance test), so, with this video it is not clear to me if one would benefit on rendering times for example, by using quadro instead of geforce
Thank you mate! This is brilliant!!
Appreciated!
Hello Neil, I am looking for a decent laptop at work to run Inventor, Nastran and Revit mainly. What would be an ideal spec please? I appreciate if you could put me in the right direction. Thanks.
Superb explanation thanx
Doesn't using the same chip allow Nvidia to do a "select on test" program i.e. if some of the cores do not work, or have to be used at lower frequencies, they can still sell the chip to work on lower spec boards. This greatly improves the effective yields of the chip.
Nvidia does bin their chips.
HI
Thank you for the video.
Where can I get the Graphics tool?
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Great explanation :) I have been using both cards for 15 years - Quadro blowers are an inferior cooling solution in workstation scenarios. The theory behind them sounds good... but they just don't work lol, and their temps are horrendous compared to higher powered GeForce cards. Blowers are better for multi-GPU racks or SFF scenarios, but this is not most workstation users, and I think its lame that premium cards don't have an option for either blower or open air cooling.
The triple fan cooler on my Asus ROG Strix Vega 64 absolutely outperforms the reference blower cooler on my Vega 56, with lower noise levels!
Hi Mate, thanks for this video it really helps. Can I ask your opinion, do you think a RTX 3080ti is overkill for CAD and Revit? I just bought a 1600.00 Tuf Ampere 3080ti and I'm thinking a 3070 would have been fine at half the price. Thanks Mate.
Very good!!! Thank you
The NVIDIA Quadro P5000 uses the GP104GL GPU, which is a slightly different variant of the GP104 chip used in consumer-grade cards such as the GTX 1080 Ti. The GP104GL chip has some additional features tailored for professional use, such as support for ECC memory and higher reliability standards.
Thank you for this video. As a person building his first PC and looking at possibly needing it as a Revit workstation this information is great. I couldn’t find it elsewhere. I have one question. Does it make a difference that the Revit information states DirectX 11 is needed or recommended and the graphics cards have DirectX 12 compatibility? My understanding is that 12 isn’t backwards compatible. I
What specifications you recommend for architect who build 3d model and rendering? Thanks
Where is the Inventor Graphics Certification Tool? I cant find it!
There's more benefits to Quadro cards than you mentioned though. Probably aren't worth it for most (home) users (of Autodesk products), but are definitely of great importance in certain cases.
But you did a great job explaining!
Excuse me, iam very bad at english. i want to buy acer conceptD 7 pro it has nvidia® quadro rtx™ 5000 maxq1 is it good for architecture? Lumion and 3ds max i don't Know is the quadro 5000 like geforce rtx 2060 or it's better?
Great advice, thanks.
Thanks for the insight.
Very well presented .
If your running Solidworks Standard one of the best cards for the majority of the tools would be the 2080ti. If you do alot of copy and pasting dwg's into SW or parsing step files then an RTX5000 can do it in a fraction of the time. Based on several of our large steps we got an average of 6 hours on a 1060, 2 hours on a 2080ti and 5 mins on an RTX5000. Still canny get the boss to buy me one though.
If you run Specviewperf benchmark on the Quadro and the 1070 are the results the same? Or does the Quadro leave the 1070 in the dust?
Hello sir. I'm building a workstation PC mainly for Autodesk Revit, AutoCAD and Lumion. I decided to go for Ryzen 3900X, 64GB RAM but I can't decide what graphics card to get, see I wanted to get an RTX 2070S, but I've seen how well the Quadro RTX 4000 works on AutoCAD but I don't know if it's better than the RTX 2070s or how much better it is. And also the 2080Ti isn't that much more expensive than the 4000 but I also don't know which card is better for AutoCAD 3D. So what do I get RTX 2070S, RTX 4000, or 2080 Ti?
How about CST Studio Suite? I have to build a PC for my PhD and I will be doing a lot of work on antennas designing. As I checked in CST documentation for GPU computing, it only mentions Quadro or Tesla cards. Can I use the Geforce card instead of Quadro?
my dear friend is true. You did geat job i believe exact the same .
Were you using the GeForce Game Ready Driver or Studio driver with your 2080ti SLI setup?
great information thanks...one question I have is that I have heard that Quadro cards support floating math. GeForce doesn't and this is why you would want a Quadro for doing Autocad work.
Watching your video while working on a project with AutoCAD and 3dsMAX on the Easter weekend is a double Autodesk experience. Working with a P4000 since three years I was able to get a P5000 yesterday and now I´m very interested in the difference in my workstation. Do you know the good old SPEA Graphiti FGA with the TIGA chip and the intel i860 calculating unit? When you know also how long I work with AutoDESK products. At first my office bought these professional cards, later, since about 1997 we bought always consumer cards. My P5000 i got with a very fair price I couln´t resist. It has 16 GB memory on board. The good old SPEA Graffiti had 3 MB of VRAM and DRAM !!!!! Thank you for you clear verdict on this matter of dispute!
great vids sir.
Very informative as always.
If you don't mind the questions..
why are you using SLI?
What are the benefits with Autodesk software
I use AutoCAD (2D) and Revit in my home office (no solid works nor Lumion) .. would a 2080ti or even 2080ti in SLI be beneficial to me?
If you have cards with NVlink. Usually a Quadro only tech would be what you are looking for. Sli is trash. NVlink actually will give you the 200% not the maybe 150%
Though there are more differences in the two cards.
Would you recommend quadro just for charting applications or any other gaming gpu? I found a gtx 1060 3gb for 60$ but a quadro m2000 cost me twice. I want to run up to 4 screens of charts, market scanners and market data.
I'm working on setting up a CAD station, I was always going to choose Nvidia as I'm interested in gaming. I really want an RTX card for the ray tracing.
Watching to see why the hell you have 2 cards though :p.
Amazing video!! What about the AMD video cards? Do we absolutely need AMD Radeon Pro Series for Autodesk products or Can I run everything with the AMD RX 6800 XT i am about to buy?
I know this is well below you expertise but is there a recommendation for video card to use i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor, while using CAD in 2D and 3D. The models usually have 50-100 parts I need to spin around and view in cad. CAD CAM. Viewing with 2 monitors in 1080. With a budget of 350 US dollars . Thanks
I would also like a recommendation for video card for the AMD 7700X with dual 1080 monitors . While using CAD3D while viewing mulitple PDFs. I didnt see this one listed on your site when I checked.
Good day, I was wondering if you can help me decide what laptop to buy. I am a upcoming mechanical engineering student and we use Solidworks for modeling and simulations. I was looking at a laptop with a NVIDIA Geforce rtx 3070 GPU and I was wondering if it can run solidworks 2020?
Thank you for you answers
Where to find a list contain graphics cards options for autodesk products different versions?
Thanks
Don't know about inventor, but I have the feeling, that there is a GPU-accelerated feature in Fusion360. The CAM-Simulation with Stock enabled. Can you confirm this? Doesn't have to do anything with GeForce vs. Quadro, but may be important to decide how powerfull a card you should buy.
what about for video editing and visual effects, graphics design or any non-3d application?
I kinda feel like my laptop with a 6GB GTX 1060 is more powerful than I thought it was. Glad I didn’t go with anything less however, some of my classmates with a 1050Ti or less. I’ve seen it multiple times that the VRAM in those cards is too little for CAD or 3D modeling applications that get seriously big. I’ve honestly never encountered much trouble and my laptop has shredded through everything I’ve thrown at it over the past 4 years. Many thanks for informing me though. Now I know that in my case I’m better off sticking to GeForce cards instead of taking a guess and getting a Quadro for my school stuff (or for later when I’m working).
Dear Neil, it's possible to get somewhere the Graphics Certification Tool?
what gpu and cpu should i get to run visi which is a cad/cam software
im going absolutely balls to the wall and i have no budget
should i go for single core performance or multi core
it is for a CNC machining company