Dear all!! - I have now developed and released the worlds most comprehensive FREE computer benchmarking test for Autodesk Inventor with a global online leaderboard. This test proves everything in here to be accurate. See the announcement video here th-cam.com/video/Xck3lvuMRjM/w-d-xo.html and check out the leaderboard here invmark.cadac.com/#/ PLEASE READ...!!! There is no Autodesk & Nvidia conspiracy to sell you Quadro cards! Repeating what I said in the video... Autodesk do not list Geforce cards on the Certified Hardware website because Nvidia do not provide 3D CAD bug fixes for them. If Autodesk listed my GTX 1070 on the Certified Hardware website and I found a graphical bug, I would be within my rights to demand that Autodesk resolve it, but Autodesk can't fix Nvidia driver issues. Nvidia fix Nvidia driver issues. But Nvidia won't fix it if it's an issue with a Geforce driving being used on 3D CAD, because Nvidia only support Quadro being used with 3D CAD! So Autodesk would not be able to resolve that issue for their customer due to reasons that are out of their control. So to avoid this from happening, they have no choice but to omit Geforce cards from that Certified Hardware website. I have to ask you to trust me on this one, Autodesk would list Geforce cards on there if they could, and Autodesk get absolutely nothing zero zilch from Quadro sales, why would they. Finally, this th-cam.com/video/OnOtGrX_dBk/w-d-xo.html for those who are about to tell me I'm wrong or mistaken.
And for people not believing this, if you check _any_ other CAD software it is the same deal, not just Autodesk. As much as NVIDIA's pockets are deep, they are not as deep as to buy every single CAD software company into doing this. Why would dassault accept that cash, when their products make the cash? Putting things into perspective they easily make enough cash with a single CATIA seat to allow anyone else to get 5 competent gaming rigs for lan parties. Now add Siemens, Autodesk and Creo, and you see that it is nigh impossible, even less if you add other CAD softwares. And NVIDIA does so to prevent any kind of cannibalization of their margins, it is the same deal with GPU virtualization. Check error 43 for that one. They are the only ones manufacturing Quadros, which is where the gross profit margins are.
I understand now. It's not about making money but it's about limiting their responsibility to reasonable limits, and while that sounds like a bad business practice to some extent (certainly if you were making games for the consumer market for instance) , it is also really sensible. Why would you recommend say "any graphics card made in the last 5 years" when you're then going to be responsible for providing support for 500+ possible gpus. When you could just limit that list of recommended products and then only provide tangible support for 20 GPUs and then you can guarantee to be able to deliver the service and support that people or businesses paying £2k a year would expect.
@@Nickgowans Exactly. Although Autodesk support you, if you needed a fix for a graphics related bug, Autodesk may need Nvidia's cooperation which they won't get if its a bug reported on a Geforce product. For that reason alone, Autodesk can't provide and guarantee 'support' for Geforce cards because they won't get it from Nvidia. It would 100% be in Autodesks interest to say they support Geforce cards, it makes their software more accessible or perceptibly accessible, but yep it's a liability thing. And you're right there are hundreds of variations of Geforce cards, all with different PCB layouts, VRAM manufacturers, BIOS configurations, objectively Geforce cards to trip out generally more often than Quadro and if that happened whilst using Inventor the customer will contact Autodesk... how could they possibly help if the problem is a faulty BIOS on a cheap variant of a GTX1050 from Ebay! So hopefully that makes sense, still might make a video on it though as these comments are easy for most people to miss!
While all this is a fair point... the real question is - how often does Geforce functionality bug out to the extent that it affects your ability to do work? If you're talking about once a month, go for the Quadro every time. If its once every five years, that's a harder argument to make!
Well done for having the patience to do this video. I'm a solo contractor and have Quadro, but only because if 100% of my workforce, I.e. me, cant work, that's zero money coming in! I need the food for winter and all that. Very well done mate 👍
Wow this video has cleared up soo much confusion! Thank you!! I’m so glad you mentioned the part about buying a Quadro card if you’re building a workstation for a company. I’m building computers soon for my company and was almost going to buy the nvidia 3070 cause why not....but now I see why it makes sense to buy the Quadro for that 2% chance the card glitches 👍🏼!
the problem is the test for Solidworks (and some other) varies more than this Autodesk software; I am talking about 20 FPS vs 190 FPS in some instances.
@@KyleTO7 yes, I tested many "pro" card vs "consumer" card and there are still huge difference in some tests (Catia, Solid works, this is the SpecsViewPerf benchmark).
If you were about to build your computer with the 3070 because "why not", I guess your biggest problem would not be that 2% chances of the 3070 failing honestly. If you want success in your company you need to make big decisions for a cause, and not just because "why not"
Doesn't using the same chip allow Nvidia to do a "select on test" program i.e. if some of the cores do not work, or have to be used at lower frequencies, they can still sell the chip to work on lower spec boards. This greatly improves the effective yields of the chip.
Ive worked with it support for a big architect so ive come across alot of issues over the years and theres definatley issues thats been resolved with installing diffrent certified drivers. Most Autocad and Revit applications have very broad support of cards though while software like Sketchup and 3ds Max were alot more sensitive to which drivers were used. I agree with your summary. Oh man do I dread the win 10 updates. They always manage to eff something up. Yes you are 100% on point
One of my buddy just did what you said about GeForce. Windows 10 update 20H2 Sent 120 GeForce workstations crashing. Costing the client almost $2 million dollars in loses. His business will probably be going into litigation, because he promised that it GeForce drivers are sufficient and supported for business applications. For 1K profit per machine, its not worth it! You can see forums after forums of people asking for help with autodesk, because of memory errors, and software crashes with GeForce hw, but Nvidia doesnt give a shet.
Sigh, geforce can’t go so far in doing complex cad. That what I heard and saw for myself. You need the right tools for the right jobs. Your doing business you’re better not go for cheap.
i always revisit this every upgrade and every time the geforce comes out ahead but with geforce prices lately... i just might be checking out quadros after all.
Thanks so much for this video. I bought a Quadro card a few years back and have been looking at upgrading. It's comforting to know I don't necessarily have to drop the big bucks for the Quadro...although Pandemic era RTX pricing makes the Quadros more price competitive and they're available, lol.
Ths was by far the best video providing excellent explanation in regards to Quadro cards and Geforce cards. I am so happy I came across your video. Thank you.
Good video, but you fail to mention one key difference, and that is that alot of the Quadro cards have ECC VRAM which is essential for certain workflows. Also another key difference is the form factor. The quadros are slim so you can put 4-6 of them in one workstation. You can't do that with a gaming card because of the massive coolers. Quadros are designed for workstation but also mainly rackmount servers with very high CFM.
The reason Autodesk software works well on both Geforce and Quadro is because the programs use Direct X. Most other CAD systems use OpenGL which works far better on Quadro. Siemens NX can run over 10 times faster on Quadro compared to Geforce.
The majority of regular CAD users have absolutely no idea what DirectX or OpenGL is and honestly it isn't their business to know either, if I create a video like this and the core message is centred around DX11 and OpenGL this video would only further add to the massive confusion surrounding this question. But yes Inventor is DX11 based currently and uses no hardware acceleration whatsoever, meaning the GPU is pretty much dormant throughout. The message conveyed by this video needed to be delivered without baffling regular users with terms they don't understand. Re. the other CAD systems, I've got my own thoughts and suspicions on the benchmark results that I've seen, but I'm not qualified to pass comment on them, I just hope the guys putting out the 'other' 3D CAD benchmarks were.
@@Neil3D I understand that the content needs to be made so it's easily digestible, but this is a valid concern. You did mention that you can only use Autodesk as a reference point, and that you can't speak to how other programs will react. But the above poster is 100% correct. There are entire modules and features of SolidWorks that won't even initialize because the graphics card is not capable of running OpenGL.
Parasolid uses Open GL and runs perfectly on a 1070M in my Alienware notebook. I had a Precision with a Quadro 2000, and it was 3 to 4 times slower in visualization and rendering for day to day work. If you are a CAD designer, there are no modules in Solidworks or NX that require a Quadro, you can design a part or an assembly perfectly fine on a RTX card. If you are a CAE engineer, that's a totally different story, but we are not speaking about CAE, we are speaking about CAD. Flow simulations run obviously faster on Quadro cards, but no CAE engineer runs analysis on desktop computers, they use clusters from their companies. If you work at a company, the company will buy you a system that is certified for the software cause they have to, they cannot have any fails because of non certified hardware, but this video is an advice for consumer buyers, and saying that Quadros are clearly better overall is not true. Especially at their price, which when compared to the same amount for an RTX card, makes ZERO sense, you get 3 3080 for one mid range Quadro. I work for Altair Engineering by the way.
Soon or later all GPUs might have the need for ECC memory error check due to the high amount of VRAM they keep adding over the years... I would resume Quadro is like a Xeon CPU, design to work 24/7 with very low error rates/stability, power consumption and improve parallel calculations if any.
Thank you so much, Neil! I'll add this to the Inventor Bible and use it as gospel as the amount of depth, research and expertise are unrivaled. This combined with your AU class and a few of your other videos completely destroys any misconceptions, corrects them, and then gives the background for explanation and context.
This was very helpful. Thank you so much. It's good to know I have someone I can take advice from when it comes to CAD when there seems to be little talk of it on TH-cam.
Was about to buy my laptop and was confused with all the information. This video was a real piece to the puzzle. I can now connect all that i have been hearing. Just thinking all this information is for free, even gets me wowed. You simply made it drinkable! Thanks much.
Like before watching. 😄 Would give more than a thumb up because you explained differences I had been looking before buying my laptop and could not find anyone explains it simply and honestly!
"Uptuning' and "Downtuning" is not the best description - they test all the cores from a silicon die, those that have no errors in manufacturing are the top end chips, those that fail have that area of the chip shut down, to a constrained set of specifications that match each step down the product chart, until that chip is able to perform in a stable and error free manner. The same is done with CPU and GPUs of all descriptions.
I work professionally as CAD/CAM Designer and I use Solidworks at my work. That being said I bought QUADRO M5000 8GB, as I started to work remotely from the office, and that was the best investment I have ever made in this COVID-19 pandemic. QUADRO works flawlessly and it is still being updated in 2021 by Nvidia. 100% recommend QUADRO for Solidworks and Rhino 3D
EDIT: Article DOES NOT mention Inventor... may not apply here! From everything I can find, benchmarks keep showing that Quadro cards out-perform GeForce cards in traditional CAD applications, such as, SolidWorks, CATIA, NX, etc. (NOT Inventor... isn't mentioned in the link below.) However, interestingly, GeForce cards seemed to push ahead in rendering applications like 3DS Max and Maya. So, it may depend highly on the program you're using as to which will produce better performance. www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3399-best-workstation-gpus-2018-for-adobe-premiere-autocad-vray-and-more You may be correct, that the feature set is similar between comparable GeForce and Quadro cards, but it seems the software companies tune their products to work with Quadro drivers and not with GeForce drivers. Or, they can take better advantage of some very-specific math at which Quadro cards are better. See the "Professional Benefits" section in this article, where they allude to this: www.engineering.com/DesignSoftware/DesignSoftwareArticles/ArticleID/18630/Whats-the-Difference-Between-GeForce-and-Quadro-Graphics-Cards.aspx Call it a conspiracy of the software and hardware companies colluding, or perhaps the Quadro features really are better-suited to some CAD applications. (And GeForce for others!) I don't know. But, the benchmarks keep telling me Quadro performs better with typical CAD tools. Also, as others mentioned, chip makers will "bin" chips. There are always flaws in chips. They test them to see how many bad transistors there are, disable some sections to avoid flaws in computations, and sell them as lower-tier chips. This is true in CPUs, GPUs, RAM, etc.
I'll edit this reply as the first take was written rushed and sounded a bit stroppy, but can I just check if you're suggesting that my conclusions are inaccurate because of something you've read on Gamers Nexus? They made no reference to Autodesk Inventor in their tests. I'll keep this brief as I've definitely covered this enough now (my Autodesk University class lecture explains this in great detail)... ...Inventor is not GPU accelerated. So Quadro cards can not possibly out perform a Geforce card. I know this as a fact. Watch this th-cam.com/video/OnOtGrX_dBk/w-d-xo.html from 3 years ago, the conclusions are still accurate. Regarding the results presented by GN for Solidworks showing disproportionately high performance on Quadro cards, I can't speak from experience on this as I don't have any knowledge or experience in those applications, but that to me looks like artificial driver throttling. That very much looks like Solidworks is artificially limiting its performance upon the detection of Geforce products.
@@Neil3D I appreciate your comment revision, and also that you have lots of experience with Autodesk Inventor and knowledge around video cards. I didn't mean to attack your video. However, you provided no benchmark data in this video for comparison, so I went digging for some benchmarks to try and see for myself if this could be true. However, you did point me to your test video, which I very-much appreciated watching for myself, and I can see what you're talking about. I ended up just digging up what I could find about Quadro vs GeForce for CAD, and that article had the most data in it to do any comparison at all. It's possible they left Inventor out because it would seem odd that results didn't change like the other programs. Clearly video cards do SOMETHING, though. So, buying a better card should produce higher FPS. In your linked video, having dual cards doubled FPS. I suspect having a better card would produce proportionally-better results, as well. So, I guess I'm confused how Inventor isn't GPU-accelerated. Can you clarify at all? Or, if that's in your AU lecture, I can look for that video to learn more about it. I should also remove Inventor from my previous comment, as that article doesn't have Inventor in the benchmarks at all. My point by sharing that post by GN was more to show that you cannot take your experience with Inventor and apply it across the board to all CAD applications. Some folks may take your conclusions on Inventor and apply them to other applications, especially within the Autodesk family of products (AutoCAD, 3DS Max, Maya, etc.), even though you state your knowledge is only on Inventor. This clearly shows that some programs run better with Quadro, and others run better with GeForce, and they shouldn't take the performance with Inventor as a clear indicator of this being the case across all applications. I don't know why that might be. It may depend on the tasks they're utilizing most, and the driver tweaks and optimizations for certain types of math being calculated. And it may not apply to Inventor at all. Lastly... if SW and NX are, indeed, artificially limiting performance on non-professional cards, that's seriously uncool... (Seriously? A 10x performance jump with Quadro on NX?! Something seems reeeeeally fishy there.)
Man, you saved me a lot of money with your video. Looking for a GPU for Revit Autodesk and Blender, Quadro card was all I had in mind. I am an architect working alone in Brazil, where US dollar is above the sky. Here, you can by almost 3 RTX 2060 for the price of 1 Quadro RTX 4000. Thank you very much!
The fuck kinda velvet you use. Audio filter abuse is all I hear with compressor turned to more than 4:1. The video is great but the audio suffers from over production.
You broke this down much more than I ever would have. I'm a cad, gps, and 3d modeler/designer for an excavation company. I came down to the exact same assertion you did. I run a P2200 and some of the large design meshes and and lidar or photogrammetry topo must be looked at in 3D and have taken that card up to 80%. I have run them in a home computer as well, the only thing I have noticed is that the gamming card tended to run about 5 degrees warmer and is louder. Performance was the same. I also decided to go with the pro card because I have 4 ports I run three screens at my workstation and I am plugged into a tv monitor in our conference room which is right outside my door. Civil 3Ds biggest killer is still the CPU and probably always will be as its mostly a single threaded program. I have this later argument with a lot of people.
Thank you. I used to be dedicated to Quadro but have been running GeForce lately. I have said that if I were NASA, etc. I would run Quadro. Mission critical means different things in different contexts. It might seem to be an "enterprise" issue...and it is to some extent...but ultimately it depends on whether lives will be at stake. Design vs engineering. Art vs safety. In my case medicine vs biomedical sciences. In medicine we deal with lives, in biomedical science we deal with data. It's a fine line really, but for the home use or independent contractor a significant cost difference.
I feel grateful, kind of like I can go and get some good sleep now! You are literally the best, following you means I could unfollow dozens of gaming channels. I knew a lot about it, but you just sorted all that data into my mind and your evidence is a great help. Thank you once again, I had joined the family.
I bought a Quadro and for people who don't know there is an application called Quadro Experience which provides support, updates, bug fixes for most 3D packages and renderers. Enjoy!
I agree with your analysis for the most part. We had Autodesk and our VAR troubleshooting Inventor and AutoCAD issues relating to crashing and slowness at my workplace and paid them a lot of money to identify issues. Autodesk and the VAR blamed our graphics cards. We were using Radeon and GeForce cards in most machines, we did have some Quadro and FirePro cards. We bit the bullet and replaced most cards with FirePro and Quadro. The issues persisted. The VAR and Autodesk both said it was because we were not using Workstation class PC's (I built the boxes). We brought in a recommended HP Xeon Workstation and the issues persisted. The issue was resolved in a later release of Autodesk products. Having paid for the expensive Quadro and FirePro cards which were no faster of any more value did not provide any use for us. We still had pay Autodesk and the VAR exorbitant fees for troubleshooting that in the end had zero results. We have moved back to GeForce/Radeon as we could not justify doubling or quadrupling the cost of a PC for a sticker on a cardboard box.
Quadro cards are for surveying and real life map creation. It’s made to make calculations to multiple decimal points for real time accurate gps locating and CAD mapping of these geospatial maps. A GeForce Card would be off by so many more values than the quadro card and I’ve watched it happen. If you need precision and accuracy for customer ready 3D maps/utility drawings etc you go with the quad. If you wanna have a good render for a video instead of a dudes head being within a certain range of values get the GeForce. If you want your drawing/project to be as accurate and precise the the values and variances allowed by billion dollar companies you go with the quaddro.
@@kirbygameclips7433 Lets be clear here, the GeForce card would not be off by any value, based on hardware as it is the SAME hardware, same GPU die and same memory. All calculations performed on the GPU go through the exact same pipelines. In fact in most cases the difference is cheaper components on the Quadro boards lower spec'd VRM components and capacitors. Quadro's are clocked slower not for accuracy but to fit the thermal envelope into a 1 slot cooler to fit in badly cooled prebuilt workstations. Some marketing claims they are more efficient, but a GeForce clocked down to the same speed runs the exact same efficiency shocking. In order to reclaim the electricity costs on the efficiently based on the price difference it would take decades. Before Nvidia got crafty with locking the driver down, it only took rotating a single diode on the board to turn a GeForce into a Quadro and vice versa. If you have seen an issue in the past between the GeForce and Quadro a bad card or software issue is to blame.
The NVIDIA Quadro P5000 uses the GP104GL GPU, which is a slightly different variant of the GP104 chip used in consumer-grade cards such as the GTX 1080 Ti. The GP104GL chip has some additional features tailored for professional use, such as support for ECC memory and higher reliability standards.
Great explanation. I have to recommend a GPU to the boss for Inventor 2019. I can now go in to him and lay it out for him. Cost versus potential stability.
There's more benefits to Quadro cards than you mentioned though. Probably aren't worth it for most (home) users (of Autodesk products), but are definitely of great importance in certain cases. But you did a great job explaining!
Excuse me, iam very bad at english. i want to buy acer conceptD 7 pro it has nvidia® quadro rtx™ 5000 maxq1 is it good for architecture? Lumion and 3ds max i don't Know is the quadro 5000 like geforce rtx 2060 or it's better?
Brilliant video, clearest explaination of GeForce Vs Quadro I have seen. Do you think that the Nvidia Studio Drivers (some what) eliminate/reduce the potential driver 3D App driver issues for GeForce? And would your recommendations be the same for Rhino/Vary and SketchUp/Vray workflows? Thanks
This document (Autodesk forum response) created by one of the graphics engineers that developed Inventor specifically states how early on they transitioned to DirectX over opengl to remove the need for Autodesk to do all hardware reliability testing. Because inventor is built around DirectX, the document states that it will run just as well on any DirectX compliant discrete graphics card. It also recommends spending your money on RAM rather than expensive workstation graphics cards. forums.autodesk.com/autodesk/attachments/autodesk/78/442801/1/autodesk_inventor_opengl_to_directx_evolution_788.pdf
Hello there, Where does that Graphics Certification Tool come from? I've searched the web for something like it and cannot find a thing. Any feedback would be appreciated.
I like this man.... Where have you been in my TH-cam routine!! I'm both into gaming but also a student for engineering with a bit of graphic design too and for AAGES I got confused on if 3D CAD software can run on Geforce GTX/RTX gpu's or much preferred Quadro... You have cleared so much stuff up both simply yet in complex detail to why and how. THANK YOU!!
Iam bad at english, and iam architecture. So what did he say about it is quadro better? Iam gonna buy acer conceptd 7 pro do you think it's good dor lumion
100% agree mate - High FPS is not important on CAD Applications on Quadro GPUs, Accuracy in measurements and calculations in generating 3D model is more important.
awesome video mate. I'm very late to this party, but I've been using mostly non-Quadro cards since the 90s and I am still scratching my head as to why one would bother... Your talk about home user/contractor vs company (IT department) deployment is 100% spot on. IT department wants to be sure it will work. As a contractor, I very well know that the GForce works. I have had several opportunities to let the Quadro shine - but it never has! fwiw, I mostly run NX.
The 2080Ti in your computer costs over $2000 new and are listed at $1500 used on Amazon today Oct 2 2021. I bought a used Quadro P4000 for $600 and it's working perfectly. The 1070 is going for a bit more used. All prices USD. The GPU market is still crazy!
Honest question: arent quadros faster on the same task though? One thing is to be compatible and pass the test (as you said, is not a performance test), so, with this video it is not clear to me if one would benefit on rendering times for example, by using quadro instead of geforce
I kinda feel like my laptop with a 6GB GTX 1060 is more powerful than I thought it was. Glad I didn’t go with anything less however, some of my classmates with a 1050Ti or less. I’ve seen it multiple times that the VRAM in those cards is too little for CAD or 3D modeling applications that get seriously big. I’ve honestly never encountered much trouble and my laptop has shredded through everything I’ve thrown at it over the past 4 years. Many thanks for informing me though. Now I know that in my case I’m better off sticking to GeForce cards instead of taking a guess and getting a Quadro for my school stuff (or for later when I’m working).
This is good news for people that want to learn Inventor, but can't afford a $2000 and up cost for a machine. I would say the sweet spot for Inventor is around $1500, and the most expensive part being the processor running at at least 3GHz and above.
For me, any experienced engineer will not fret about these small details (quaddro vs geforce). We've done a lot of work computer work thru the years. We've seen how computers exponentially improve. We can work with any optimized PC that has some decent specs. The latest and most expensive hardware does not give a proportional amount of benefit compared to its cost.
This is excellent! I'm not making any money (yet...hopefully?) with my CAD and CAM computer, but it needs a real graphics card. I will start shopping for GeForce immediately!
If your running Solidworks Standard one of the best cards for the majority of the tools would be the 2080ti. If you do alot of copy and pasting dwg's into SW or parsing step files then an RTX5000 can do it in a fraction of the time. Based on several of our large steps we got an average of 6 hours on a 1060, 2 hours on a 2080ti and 5 mins on an RTX5000. Still canny get the boss to buy me one though.
I can also back this up. I am from the film industry and run a 3D department. We always used the top of the range Quadro cards. After extensive testing we switched to Titan cards with blower config years ago now. We use them extensively for GPU rendering. Nvidia told us when challenged, "Quadro gives you stable and mature drivers"... As I said, we switched to high-end mainstream cards years ago - they perform better in our experience and run our software perfectly!
Thank you. As an Architect I tend to use allot of CAD and 3D modelling software but also like to play a few games every now and then. This helped settle the issued of Quadro VS Geforce for me.
What did you wind up getting? Your comment is 11months old now. I'm in the same position. I want to future proof so I'm building a work station. I'll probably get a 3090.
Hey I just got an offer as the only drafter for a small construction firm. They gave me a budget for a PC and accessories. Im really struggling trying to figure out if I should get a Quadro or a GeForce. This vid has really helped but I still want to make sure Im making the right choice choosing the Quarto for my work PC
The difference between gaming graphic cards and professional graphic cards is: gaming cards hardware accelerate directx applications and have minimal functions for opengl acceleration. while professional graphic cards accelerate opengl applications as well as directx applications. this cards fully support opengl applications. And all modelling software use opengl. The only common thing to both is rendering - they can utilise cuda cores to accelerate rendering.
If you read this, you need to try and do Image renderings in AutoCAD with each card. One with the Quadro and one with the Geforce. I think that's where you see its worth the $$$. Also moving around in 3D with materials and textures on. That is where to see the differences.
I read this. I've done GPU rendering benchmarks on Quadro vs GeForce using CUDA and RTX based processes, there were no gains from the Quadros. And I've literally developed and released a 3D CAD benchmark program which moves around materials and textures, again, no benefits from Quadro. There may be some applications which are specifically written to excel on Quadro drivers but the hardware itself manufactured or tweaked to boost CAD.
@@Neil3D OK thank you for the reply. I also run a 1070Ti and I guess it all comes down to needing the CPU power for the rendering. I do steel work and render it as my advertising images.
I have a project geometry tutorial th-cam.com/video/LFgue2aZyWY/w-d-xo.html but I don't think I cover all the different types, just the regular project geometry.
i don't know if they intentionally disable functions of the die...as i unstand it's got something to do with yield rate. so a perfect die would make a 1080 and one that had some things go wrong becomes a 1060...
Awesome video. So just a question. I use Autocad Arch. 2014 for drawing up Architectural plans, elevations etc. I only draw in 2 dimension. I import a lot of pdf and jpeg images to trace. I currently use an Nvidia Quadro K2000 that has 2 GB of ram (recommended by autodesk at the time of purchase going on 10 years ago. When zooming in and out of a floor plan image the imagery is jerky and very slow. I am sourcing parts for a new workstation build for my home office work. In my situation, would you still recommend the Geforce over the Nvidia? You've got a new subscriber. Thanks
for cad works and learning Inventor and revit. Is it worth it? 1. used 5 yr old Xeon 1276M + Quadro P1000 for $500 2. used 2 yr old i5 10300h + 1650ti for $500 3. new i5 1235u + 3050ti for $750
I'm doing full 3D particle collision systems, water simulations and 3Ds Max/vray rendering on a Titan xP 11gb with a i9 10c/20t processor. Yes, I would love to have me a RTX 8000 Quadro card, but my last name isn't Bezos. Its the greatest scan from Nvidia in the history of the universe.
Amazing video!! What about the AMD video cards? Do we absolutely need AMD Radeon Pro Series for Autodesk products or Can I run everything with the AMD RX 6800 XT i am about to buy?
I know this is well below you expertise but is there a recommendation for video card to use i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor, while using CAD in 2D and 3D. The models usually have 50-100 parts I need to spin around and view in cad. CAD CAM. Viewing with 2 monitors in 1080. With a budget of 350 US dollars . Thanks I would also like a recommendation for video card for the AMD 7700X with dual 1080 monitors . While using CAD3D while viewing mulitple PDFs. I didnt see this one listed on your site when I checked.
Thanks very much for your video! I was building PCs for my Architecture Office and the last one had an issue where the PC completely froze with a GTX 1650. Will buy Quadros in the future just to not be in the situation you mentioned - also if it means paying about €500 more per workstation than for a GTX-Build.
I'm working on setting up a CAD station, I was always going to choose Nvidia as I'm interested in gaming. I really want an RTX card for the ray tracing. Watching to see why the hell you have 2 cards though :p.
great vids sir. Very informative as always. If you don't mind the questions.. why are you using SLI? What are the benefits with Autodesk software I use AutoCAD (2D) and Revit in my home office (no solid works nor Lumion) .. would a 2080ti or even 2080ti in SLI be beneficial to me?
If you have cards with NVlink. Usually a Quadro only tech would be what you are looking for. Sli is trash. NVlink actually will give you the 200% not the maybe 150% Though there are more differences in the two cards.
Would you recommend quadro just for charting applications or any other gaming gpu? I found a gtx 1060 3gb for 60$ but a quadro m2000 cost me twice. I want to run up to 4 screens of charts, market scanners and market data.
Also don’t forget ECC memory within the VRAM! And the biggest benefit of going Quadro is certified drivers and guaranteed software compatibility. The programs like solid works (Full disclosure I recently found this out) certain features won’t even run on a GeForce card of greater power versus a Quadro because of the software and driver differences.
Had my P5000 for 4 years now, works fine for gaming and more professional stuff but i am not getting 120 fps in Star citizen but then my 5k monitor is only 60hz either way :)
Don't know about inventor, but I have the feeling, that there is a GPU-accelerated feature in Fusion360. The CAM-Simulation with Stock enabled. Can you confirm this? Doesn't have to do anything with GeForce vs. Quadro, but may be important to decide how powerfull a card you should buy.
Hey TFI great vid as usual! Specially for engineers nor gamers, would you say similar could apply to laptops? Though mobile GPU gets more complicated with soo many maxQ, super, etc.
what are the news? it has be done for nvidia since long time ago, 15 year ago you can take a gamers video card, remove a couple of transistors and make a quadro for your self.
FIY for anybody wondering, qaudro's in generally do work better with Solidworks and it is a massive improvement over running a normal gaming card, we tried a few gaming cards and just moved to quadro's plus the price of them these days u dont have to sell a body part.
I recall something about their RealView or something like that needing Quadro drivers... which... given what I've just shown here, you'd hope that they have some really good reasons for doing that and locking out Geforce cards from working!
@@Neil3D Yes u are correct its more to do with their real view gimmick , Solidworks main thing has always been to get the best performance and the less bugs is to just use dell workstations and qaudro's cards for some silly reason even contacting their support they will spew that same line, but even with qaudro cards it is still a mission to open an assembly with give or take 2000 parts, their performance has trully gone down the drain
We have a Quadro p600 laptop has better performance than GeForce 1050 laptop in solidworks and Catia v5. 1050 laptop has better CPU though. I wish i could use GeForce graphics card with solidworks same performance as inventor.
I'm in a office of a big big big company. I work with inventor with laptop and desktop. On one hand I have a RTX5000 128gb ram ... on the other a hp z fury with a rtx a2000 with 4gb and 32gb ram... More or less there's no differences. At home I have a dell for my stuff of 2018 with 16gb ram and gtx 1060 ... more or less.... I can do the same things. All marketing i guess. what do u think? maybe the processor can change? i always worked with xeon.. never try a i lines.
Hey Neil, I’m getting ready to build a PC for my small, home-based business, focusing on optimal Solidworks performance. After watching your video and trying to pay careful attention, I can’t help but to be reluctant on choosing the GeForce architecture given that it seems as though any windows update has the potential to completely HALT my solidworks work flow… Am I coming away with the correct interpretation of the information presented in your video? Have prices deflated for Quadro cards since this video was made? As a potential GeForce customer, should I just come to terms with the possible risk of my machine not being usable?
I used Autocad R15 with K4000 quadro at home. The render does not use the GPU, therefore should I keep the K4000 and upgrade the CPU or upgrade the GPU and find a way of rendering with the GPU.
Dear all!! - I have now developed and released the worlds most comprehensive FREE computer benchmarking test for Autodesk Inventor with a global online leaderboard. This test proves everything in here to be accurate. See the announcement video here th-cam.com/video/Xck3lvuMRjM/w-d-xo.html and check out the leaderboard here invmark.cadac.com/#/
PLEASE READ...!!! There is no Autodesk & Nvidia conspiracy to sell you Quadro cards! Repeating what I said in the video... Autodesk do not list Geforce cards on the Certified Hardware website because Nvidia do not provide 3D CAD bug fixes for them. If Autodesk listed my GTX 1070 on the Certified Hardware website and I found a graphical bug, I would be within my rights to demand that Autodesk resolve it, but Autodesk can't fix Nvidia driver issues. Nvidia fix Nvidia driver issues. But Nvidia won't fix it if it's an issue with a Geforce driving being used on 3D CAD, because Nvidia only support Quadro being used with 3D CAD! So Autodesk would not be able to resolve that issue for their customer due to reasons that are out of their control. So to avoid this from happening, they have no choice but to omit Geforce cards from that Certified Hardware website. I have to ask you to trust me on this one, Autodesk would list Geforce cards on there if they could, and Autodesk get absolutely nothing zero zilch from Quadro sales, why would they.
Finally, this th-cam.com/video/OnOtGrX_dBk/w-d-xo.html for those who are about to tell me I'm wrong or mistaken.
And for people not believing this, if you check _any_ other CAD software it is the same deal, not just Autodesk. As much as NVIDIA's pockets are deep, they are not as deep as to buy every single CAD software company into doing this. Why would dassault accept that cash, when their products make the cash? Putting things into perspective they easily make enough cash with a single CATIA seat to allow anyone else to get 5 competent gaming rigs for lan parties. Now add Siemens, Autodesk and Creo, and you see that it is nigh impossible, even less if you add other CAD softwares. And NVIDIA does so to prevent any kind of cannibalization of their margins, it is the same deal with GPU virtualization. Check error 43 for that one. They are the only ones manufacturing Quadros, which is where the gross profit margins are.
I understand now.
It's not about making money but it's about limiting their responsibility to reasonable limits, and while that sounds like a bad business practice to some extent (certainly if you were making games for the consumer market for instance) , it is also really sensible.
Why would you recommend say "any graphics card made in the last 5 years" when you're then going to be responsible for providing support for 500+ possible gpus. When you could just limit that list of recommended products and then only provide tangible support for 20 GPUs and then you can guarantee to be able to deliver the service and support that people or businesses paying £2k a year would expect.
@@Nickgowans Exactly. Although Autodesk support you, if you needed a fix for a graphics related bug, Autodesk may need Nvidia's cooperation which they won't get if its a bug reported on a Geforce product. For that reason alone, Autodesk can't provide and guarantee 'support' for Geforce cards because they won't get it from Nvidia. It would 100% be in Autodesks interest to say they support Geforce cards, it makes their software more accessible or perceptibly accessible, but yep it's a liability thing. And you're right there are hundreds of variations of Geforce cards, all with different PCB layouts, VRAM manufacturers, BIOS configurations, objectively Geforce cards to trip out generally more often than Quadro and if that happened whilst using Inventor the customer will contact Autodesk... how could they possibly help if the problem is a faulty BIOS on a cheap variant of a GTX1050 from Ebay! So hopefully that makes sense, still might make a video on it though as these comments are easy for most people to miss!
While all this is a fair point... the real question is - how often does Geforce functionality bug out to the extent that it affects your ability to do work? If you're talking about once a month, go for the Quadro every time. If its once every five years, that's a harder argument to make!
But can anyone tell how frequent are the functional bugs with Nvidia Geforce that one has to consider spending extra on quadro?
19:12 million dollar answer. I've searched far and wide for this answer. Thank you.
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but wait.. if there's a GPU issue because of Windows update, you can always revert to older version until stable drivers are realsed?
Well done for having the patience to do this video. I'm a solo contractor and have Quadro, but only because if 100% of my workforce, I.e. me, cant work, that's zero money coming in! I need the food for winter and all that. Very well done mate 👍
Im building 2 work stations for new employees and this video was of extreme help. Thank you for your time and expertise.
Wow this video has cleared up soo much confusion! Thank you!! I’m so glad you mentioned the part about buying a Quadro card if you’re building a workstation for a company. I’m building computers soon for my company and was almost going to buy the nvidia 3070 cause why not....but now I see why it makes sense to buy the Quadro for that 2% chance the card glitches 👍🏼!
the problem is the test for Solidworks (and some other) varies more than this Autodesk software; I am talking about 20 FPS vs 190 FPS in some instances.
@@hunglukenguyen so the RTX gives you 20 fps?
@@KyleTO7 yes, I tested many "pro" card vs "consumer" card and there are still huge difference in some tests (Catia, Solid works, this is the SpecsViewPerf benchmark).
If you were about to build your computer with the 3070 because "why not", I guess your biggest problem would not be that 2% chances of the 3070 failing honestly. If you want success in your company you need to make big decisions for a cause, and not just because "why not"
Doesn't using the same chip allow Nvidia to do a "select on test" program i.e. if some of the cores do not work, or have to be used at lower frequencies, they can still sell the chip to work on lower spec boards. This greatly improves the effective yields of the chip.
Nvidia does bin their chips.
Ive worked with it support for a big architect so ive come across alot of issues over the years and theres definatley issues thats been resolved with installing diffrent certified drivers. Most Autocad and Revit applications have very broad support of cards though while software like Sketchup and 3ds Max were alot more sensitive to which drivers were used. I agree with your summary. Oh man do I dread the win 10 updates. They always manage to eff something up. Yes you are 100% on point
One of my buddy just did what you said about GeForce. Windows 10 update 20H2 Sent 120 GeForce workstations crashing. Costing the client almost $2 million dollars in loses. His business will probably be going into litigation, because he promised that it GeForce drivers are sufficient and supported for business applications. For 1K profit per machine, its not worth it! You can see forums after forums of people asking for help with autodesk, because of memory errors, and software crashes with GeForce hw, but Nvidia doesnt give a shet.
Are use a P 400 QuadroWorks perfectly fine and power mill 2022
He literally said near the end of the video that businesses should buy the professional cards for employees doing mission-critical tasks.
AutoCAD at work crashes all the time for dumb reasons on a machine running a Quadro
Sigh, geforce can’t go so far in doing complex cad. That what I heard and saw for myself. You need the right tools for the right jobs. Your doing business you’re better not go for cheap.
@@kevinlow69420you autocad and quadro just got divorced yesterday
i always revisit this every upgrade and every time the geforce comes out ahead but with geforce prices lately... i just might be checking out quadros after all.
Thanks so much for this video. I bought a Quadro card a few years back and have been looking at upgrading. It's comforting to know I don't necessarily have to drop the big bucks for the Quadro...although Pandemic era RTX pricing makes the Quadros more price competitive and they're available, lol.
Ths was by far the best video providing excellent explanation in regards to Quadro cards and Geforce cards. I am so happy I came across your video. Thank you.
Intel’s integrated graphics pass the test and run inventor just fine…. Figured that out while waiting months for a GPU
Good video, but you fail to mention one key difference, and that is that alot of the Quadro cards have ECC VRAM which is essential for certain workflows. Also another key difference is the form factor. The quadros are slim so you can put 4-6 of them in one workstation. You can't do that with a gaming card because of the massive coolers. Quadros are designed for workstation but also mainly rackmount servers with very high CFM.
Yeah this hasn’t been relevant for 10 years.
The reason Autodesk software works well on both Geforce and Quadro is because the programs use Direct X. Most other CAD systems use OpenGL which works far better on Quadro. Siemens NX can run over 10 times faster on Quadro compared to Geforce.
The majority of regular CAD users have absolutely no idea what DirectX or OpenGL is and honestly it isn't their business to know either, if I create a video like this and the core message is centred around DX11 and OpenGL this video would only further add to the massive confusion surrounding this question. But yes Inventor is DX11 based currently and uses no hardware acceleration whatsoever, meaning the GPU is pretty much dormant throughout. The message conveyed by this video needed to be delivered without baffling regular users with terms they don't understand.
Re. the other CAD systems, I've got my own thoughts and suspicions on the benchmark results that I've seen, but I'm not qualified to pass comment on them, I just hope the guys putting out the 'other' 3D CAD benchmarks were.
@@Neil3D I understand that the content needs to be made so it's easily digestible, but this is a valid concern.
You did mention that you can only use Autodesk as a reference point, and that you can't speak to how other programs will react.
But the above poster is 100% correct. There are entire modules and features of SolidWorks that won't even initialize because the graphics card is not capable of running OpenGL.
Parasolid uses Open GL and runs perfectly on a 1070M in my Alienware notebook.
I had a Precision with a Quadro 2000, and it was 3 to 4 times slower in visualization and rendering for day to day work.
If you are a CAD designer, there are no modules in Solidworks or NX that require a Quadro, you can design a part or an assembly perfectly fine on a RTX card.
If you are a CAE engineer, that's a totally different story, but we are not speaking about CAE, we are speaking about CAD.
Flow simulations run obviously faster on Quadro cards, but no CAE engineer runs analysis on desktop computers, they use clusters from their companies.
If you work at a company, the company will buy you a system that is certified for the software cause they have to, they cannot have any fails because of non certified hardware, but this video is an advice for consumer buyers, and saying that Quadros are clearly better overall is not true.
Especially at their price, which when compared to the same amount for an RTX card, makes ZERO sense, you get 3 3080 for one mid range Quadro.
I work for Altair Engineering by the way.
Why does a 1070m perform faster than a Quadro card for visualization/rendering but a quadro runs better for flow simulations?
@@Liamsvids thank you for that information.
Soon or later all GPUs might have the need for ECC memory error check due to the high amount of VRAM they keep adding over the years...
I would resume Quadro is like a Xeon CPU, design to work 24/7 with very low error rates/stability, power consumption and improve parallel calculations if any.
Thank you so much, Neil! I'll add this to the Inventor Bible and use it as gospel as the amount of depth, research and expertise are unrivaled. This combined with your AU class and a few of your other videos completely destroys any misconceptions, corrects them, and then gives the background for explanation and context.
This was very helpful. Thank you so much. It's good to know I have someone I can take advice from when it comes to CAD when there seems to be little talk of it on TH-cam.
Just discovered this channel. Been looking for this kind of info for ages. Thanks for the vid.
Was about to buy my laptop and was confused with all the information. This video was a real piece to the puzzle. I can now connect all that i have been hearing. Just thinking all this information is for free, even gets me wowed. You simply made it drinkable! Thanks much.
Thank you for thoroughly explaining this one. I couldn't figure out what they offered considering the price.
Like before watching. 😄
Would give more than a thumb up because you explained differences I had been looking before buying my laptop and could not find anyone explains it simply and honestly!
"Uptuning' and "Downtuning" is not the best description - they test all the cores from a silicon die, those that have no errors in manufacturing are the top end chips, those that fail have that area of the chip shut down, to a constrained set of specifications that match each step down the product chart, until that chip is able to perform in a stable and error free manner.
The same is done with CPU and GPUs of all descriptions.
I work professionally as CAD/CAM Designer and I use Solidworks at my work. That being said I bought QUADRO M5000 8GB, as I started to work remotely from the office, and that was the best investment I have ever made in this COVID-19 pandemic. QUADRO works flawlessly and it is still being updated in 2021 by Nvidia.
100% recommend QUADRO for Solidworks and Rhino 3D
EDIT: Article DOES NOT mention Inventor... may not apply here!
From everything I can find, benchmarks keep showing that Quadro cards out-perform GeForce cards in traditional CAD applications, such as, SolidWorks, CATIA, NX, etc. (NOT Inventor... isn't mentioned in the link below.) However, interestingly, GeForce cards seemed to push ahead in rendering applications like 3DS Max and Maya. So, it may depend highly on the program you're using as to which will produce better performance.
www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3399-best-workstation-gpus-2018-for-adobe-premiere-autocad-vray-and-more
You may be correct, that the feature set is similar between comparable GeForce and Quadro cards, but it seems the software companies tune their products to work with Quadro drivers and not with GeForce drivers. Or, they can take better advantage of some very-specific math at which Quadro cards are better.
See the "Professional Benefits" section in this article, where they allude to this:
www.engineering.com/DesignSoftware/DesignSoftwareArticles/ArticleID/18630/Whats-the-Difference-Between-GeForce-and-Quadro-Graphics-Cards.aspx
Call it a conspiracy of the software and hardware companies colluding, or perhaps the Quadro features really are better-suited to some CAD applications. (And GeForce for others!) I don't know. But, the benchmarks keep telling me Quadro performs better with typical CAD tools.
Also, as others mentioned, chip makers will "bin" chips. There are always flaws in chips. They test them to see how many bad transistors there are, disable some sections to avoid flaws in computations, and sell them as lower-tier chips. This is true in CPUs, GPUs, RAM, etc.
I'll edit this reply as the first take was written rushed and sounded a bit stroppy, but can I just check if you're suggesting that my conclusions are inaccurate because of something you've read on Gamers Nexus? They made no reference to Autodesk Inventor in their tests.
I'll keep this brief as I've definitely covered this enough now (my Autodesk University class lecture explains this in great detail)...
...Inventor is not GPU accelerated.
So Quadro cards can not possibly out perform a Geforce card. I know this as a fact. Watch this th-cam.com/video/OnOtGrX_dBk/w-d-xo.html from 3 years ago, the conclusions are still accurate.
Regarding the results presented by GN for Solidworks showing disproportionately high performance on Quadro cards, I can't speak from experience on this as I don't have any knowledge or experience in those applications, but that to me looks like artificial driver throttling. That very much looks like Solidworks is artificially limiting its performance upon the detection of Geforce products.
@@Neil3D I appreciate your comment revision, and also that you have lots of experience with Autodesk Inventor and knowledge around video cards. I didn't mean to attack your video. However, you provided no benchmark data in this video for comparison, so I went digging for some benchmarks to try and see for myself if this could be true. However, you did point me to your test video, which I very-much appreciated watching for myself, and I can see what you're talking about. I ended up just digging up what I could find about Quadro vs GeForce for CAD, and that article had the most data in it to do any comparison at all. It's possible they left Inventor out because it would seem odd that results didn't change like the other programs.
Clearly video cards do SOMETHING, though. So, buying a better card should produce higher FPS. In your linked video, having dual cards doubled FPS. I suspect having a better card would produce proportionally-better results, as well. So, I guess I'm confused how Inventor isn't GPU-accelerated. Can you clarify at all? Or, if that's in your AU lecture, I can look for that video to learn more about it.
I should also remove Inventor from my previous comment, as that article doesn't have Inventor in the benchmarks at all.
My point by sharing that post by GN was more to show that you cannot take your experience with Inventor and apply it across the board to all CAD applications. Some folks may take your conclusions on Inventor and apply them to other applications, especially within the Autodesk family of products (AutoCAD, 3DS Max, Maya, etc.), even though you state your knowledge is only on Inventor. This clearly shows that some programs run better with Quadro, and others run better with GeForce, and they shouldn't take the performance with Inventor as a clear indicator of this being the case across all applications. I don't know why that might be. It may depend on the tasks they're utilizing most, and the driver tweaks and optimizations for certain types of math being calculated. And it may not apply to Inventor at all.
Lastly... if SW and NX are, indeed, artificially limiting performance on non-professional cards, that's seriously uncool... (Seriously? A 10x performance jump with Quadro on NX?! Something seems reeeeeally fishy there.)
Man, you saved me a lot of money with your video. Looking for a GPU for Revit Autodesk and Blender, Quadro card was all I had in mind. I am an architect working alone in Brazil, where US dollar is above the sky. Here, you can by almost 3 RTX 2060 for the price of 1 Quadro RTX 4000. Thank you very much!
Thank you ! It helps me go with the GeForce. I am a contractor working from home doing SolidWorks assemblies and some rendering for fun.
I am student i plan to come when doing master to france renne my cousin live there to get a structural engineer do you recommend
I have almost zero interest in 3D CAD, but I watched this whole video because I never wanted to stop hearing your red velvet voice.
The fuck kinda velvet you use. Audio filter abuse is all I hear with compressor turned to more than 4:1. The video is great but the audio suffers from over production.
You broke this down much more than I ever would have. I'm a cad, gps, and 3d modeler/designer for an excavation company. I came down to the exact same assertion you did. I run a P2200 and some of the large design meshes and and lidar or photogrammetry topo must be looked at in 3D and have taken that card up to 80%. I have run them in a home computer as well, the only thing I have noticed is that the gamming card tended to run about 5 degrees warmer and is louder. Performance was the same. I also decided to go with the pro card because I have 4 ports I run three screens at my workstation and I am plugged into a tv monitor in our conference room which is right outside my door. Civil 3Ds biggest killer is still the CPU and probably always will be as its mostly a single threaded program. I have this later argument with a lot of people.
Thank you. I used to be dedicated to Quadro but have been running GeForce lately. I have said that if I were NASA, etc. I would run Quadro. Mission critical means different things in different contexts. It might seem to be an "enterprise" issue...and it is to some extent...but ultimately it depends on whether lives will be at stake. Design vs engineering. Art vs safety. In my case medicine vs biomedical sciences. In medicine we deal with lives, in biomedical science we deal with data. It's a fine line really, but for the home use or independent contractor a significant cost difference.
I feel grateful, kind of like I can go and get some good sleep now!
You are literally the best, following you means I could unfollow dozens of gaming channels.
I knew a lot about it, but you just sorted all that data into my mind and your evidence is a great help.
Thank you once again, I had joined the family.
I bought a Quadro and for people who don't know there is an application called Quadro Experience which provides support, updates, bug fixes for most 3D packages and renderers. Enjoy!
I agree with your analysis for the most part. We had Autodesk and our VAR troubleshooting Inventor and AutoCAD issues relating to crashing and slowness at my workplace and paid them a lot of money to identify issues. Autodesk and the VAR blamed our graphics cards. We were using Radeon and GeForce cards in most machines, we did have some Quadro and FirePro cards. We bit the bullet and replaced most cards with FirePro and Quadro. The issues persisted. The VAR and Autodesk both said it was because we were not using Workstation class PC's (I built the boxes). We brought in a recommended HP Xeon Workstation and the issues persisted. The issue was resolved in a later release of Autodesk products. Having paid for the expensive Quadro and FirePro cards which were no faster of any more value did not provide any use for us. We still had pay Autodesk and the VAR exorbitant fees for troubleshooting that in the end had zero results. We have moved back to GeForce/Radeon as we could not justify doubling or quadrupling the cost of a PC for a sticker on a cardboard box.
Quadro cards are for surveying and real life map creation. It’s made to make calculations to multiple decimal points for real time accurate gps locating and CAD mapping of these geospatial maps. A GeForce Card would be off by so many more values than the quadro card and I’ve watched it happen. If you need precision and accuracy for customer ready 3D maps/utility drawings etc you go with the quad. If you wanna have a good render for a video instead of a dudes head being within a certain range of values get the GeForce. If you want your drawing/project to be as accurate and precise the the values and variances allowed by billion dollar companies you go with the quaddro.
@@kirbygameclips7433 Lets be clear here, the GeForce card would not be off by any value, based on hardware as it is the SAME hardware, same GPU die and same memory. All calculations performed on the GPU go through the exact same pipelines. In fact in most cases the difference is cheaper components on the Quadro boards lower spec'd VRM components and capacitors. Quadro's are clocked slower not for accuracy but to fit the thermal envelope into a 1 slot cooler to fit in badly cooled prebuilt workstations. Some marketing claims they are more efficient, but a GeForce clocked down to the same speed runs the exact same efficiency shocking. In order to reclaim the electricity costs on the efficiently based on the price difference it would take decades. Before Nvidia got crafty with locking the driver down, it only took rotating a single diode on the board to turn a GeForce into a Quadro and vice versa. If you have seen an issue in the past between the GeForce and Quadro a bad card or software issue is to blame.
The NVIDIA Quadro P5000 uses the GP104GL GPU, which is a slightly different variant of the GP104 chip used in consumer-grade cards such as the GTX 1080 Ti. The GP104GL chip has some additional features tailored for professional use, such as support for ECC memory and higher reliability standards.
Great explanation. I have to recommend a GPU to the boss for Inventor 2019. I can now go in to him and lay it out for him. Cost versus potential stability.
Great explanation, thanks! I use a Geforce GTX 1070 and was wondering what was the next step for upgrading the CAD system.
The best video about this topic i have ever seen. Thanks 👊
Much appreciated man thanks
There's more benefits to Quadro cards than you mentioned though. Probably aren't worth it for most (home) users (of Autodesk products), but are definitely of great importance in certain cases.
But you did a great job explaining!
Excuse me, iam very bad at english. i want to buy acer conceptD 7 pro it has nvidia® quadro rtx™ 5000 maxq1 is it good for architecture? Lumion and 3ds max i don't Know is the quadro 5000 like geforce rtx 2060 or it's better?
Looking for this answer for a very very long time and finally found it. Thanks for your time and explanation.
Brilliant video, clearest explaination of GeForce Vs Quadro I have seen. Do you think that the Nvidia Studio Drivers (some what) eliminate/reduce the potential driver 3D App driver issues for GeForce?
And would your recommendations be the same for Rhino/Vary and SketchUp/Vray workflows?
Thanks
Great info, being a CAD sw developer I bought a quadro because my office machine has one , and I wanted to practise at home on the same as well.
very informative video neil, well done mate. I have a 2080Ti in my workstation, works a treat and is also good for gaming
It's a double bonus! Our working from home PCs can double up as mental gaming rigs!
This document (Autodesk forum response) created by one of the graphics engineers that developed Inventor specifically states how early on they transitioned to DirectX over opengl to remove the need for Autodesk to do all hardware reliability testing. Because inventor is built around DirectX, the document states that it will run just as well on any DirectX compliant discrete graphics card. It also recommends spending your money on RAM rather than expensive workstation graphics cards. forums.autodesk.com/autodesk/attachments/autodesk/78/442801/1/autodesk_inventor_opengl_to_directx_evolution_788.pdf
Hello there, Where does that Graphics Certification Tool come from? I've searched the web for something like it and cannot find a thing. Any feedback would be appreciated.
I like this man.... Where have you been in my TH-cam routine!! I'm both into gaming but also a student for engineering with a bit of graphic design too and for AAGES I got confused on if 3D CAD software can run on Geforce GTX/RTX gpu's or much preferred Quadro...
You have cleared so much stuff up both simply yet in complex detail to why and how. THANK YOU!!
Iam bad at english, and iam architecture. So what did he say about it is quadro better? Iam gonna buy acer conceptd 7 pro do you think it's good dor lumion
100% agree mate - High FPS is not important on CAD Applications on Quadro GPUs, Accuracy in measurements and calculations in generating 3D model is more important.
Excelent vid, mate...thanks! Goes nicely with your other previous hardware-focused videos...
awesome video mate. I'm very late to this party, but I've been using mostly non-Quadro cards since the 90s and I am still scratching my head as to why one would bother...
Your talk about home user/contractor vs company (IT department) deployment is 100% spot on. IT department wants to be sure it will work. As a contractor, I very well know that the GForce works. I have had several opportunities to let the Quadro shine - but it never has!
fwiw, I mostly run NX.
The 2080Ti in your computer costs over $2000 new and are listed at $1500 used on Amazon today Oct 2 2021. I bought a used Quadro P4000 for $600 and it's working perfectly. The 1070 is going for a bit more used. All prices USD. The GPU market is still crazy!
Honest question: arent quadros faster on the same task though? One thing is to be compatible and pass the test (as you said, is not a performance test), so, with this video it is not clear to me if one would benefit on rendering times for example, by using quadro instead of geforce
OK, you just saved me money. Just about to buy a laptop to start my mechanical design freelance career. Thanks
What are your qualifications?
Well, thanks for you explanation. That makes sence now why those Quadro cards are crucial for professianal use. 👍
I kinda feel like my laptop with a 6GB GTX 1060 is more powerful than I thought it was. Glad I didn’t go with anything less however, some of my classmates with a 1050Ti or less. I’ve seen it multiple times that the VRAM in those cards is too little for CAD or 3D modeling applications that get seriously big. I’ve honestly never encountered much trouble and my laptop has shredded through everything I’ve thrown at it over the past 4 years. Many thanks for informing me though. Now I know that in my case I’m better off sticking to GeForce cards instead of taking a guess and getting a Quadro for my school stuff (or for later when I’m working).
I don’t mess around here. Quadro for me For zero downtime. Great video sir.
This is good news for people that want to learn Inventor, but can't afford a $2000 and up cost for a machine. I would say the sweet spot for Inventor is around $1500, and the most expensive part being the processor running at at least 3GHz and above.
Well done! I don't care about the length of the video as long as they are informative. Yours are very informative. I like it!
For me, any experienced engineer will not fret about these small details (quaddro vs geforce). We've done a lot of work computer work thru the years. We've seen how computers exponentially improve. We can work with any optimized PC that has some decent specs. The latest and most expensive hardware does not give a proportional amount of benefit compared to its cost.
The right information at just the perfect time!
This is excellent! I'm not making any money (yet...hopefully?) with my CAD and CAM computer, but it needs a real graphics card. I will start shopping for GeForce immediately!
If your running Solidworks Standard one of the best cards for the majority of the tools would be the 2080ti. If you do alot of copy and pasting dwg's into SW or parsing step files then an RTX5000 can do it in a fraction of the time. Based on several of our large steps we got an average of 6 hours on a 1060, 2 hours on a 2080ti and 5 mins on an RTX5000. Still canny get the boss to buy me one though.
I can also back this up. I am from the film industry and run a 3D department. We always used the top of the range Quadro cards. After extensive testing we switched to Titan cards with blower config years ago now. We use them extensively for GPU rendering. Nvidia told us when challenged, "Quadro gives you stable and mature drivers"... As I said, we switched to high-end mainstream cards years ago - they perform better in our experience and run our software perfectly!
Which video card do you recommend for architect build 3d model and rendering? Thanks
@@islandersean2213 rtx A2000
Inventor uses DirectX hence why gaming cards should work well. Solidworks uses OpenGL, it favours quadro drivers performance wise
Thank you. As an Architect I tend to use allot of CAD and 3D modelling software but also like to play a few games every now and then. This helped settle the issued of Quadro VS Geforce for me.
What did you wind up getting? Your comment is 11months old now. I'm in the same position. I want to future proof so I'm building a work station. I'll probably get a 3090.
@@RickyBobby_USA 3090. it got me what I needed while also allowing me to do other things that Quadro my not be the best for.
@@dk988-y Which CADD are you using?
@@RickyBobby_USA Revit and Autocad.
Great video and explanation of Quadro vs Geforce for Autodesk 3D CAD Software.
Hey I just got an offer as the only drafter for a small construction firm. They gave me a budget for a PC and accessories. Im really struggling trying to figure out if I should get a Quadro or a GeForce. This vid has really helped but I still want to make sure Im making the right choice choosing the Quarto for my work PC
The difference between gaming graphic cards and professional graphic cards is: gaming cards hardware accelerate directx applications and have minimal functions for opengl acceleration. while professional graphic cards accelerate opengl applications as well as directx applications. this cards fully support opengl applications. And all modelling software use opengl. The only common thing to both is rendering - they can utilise cuda cores to accelerate rendering.
Amazing video!
Isn't easy find information about it
If you read this, you need to try and do Image renderings in AutoCAD with each card. One with the Quadro and one with the Geforce. I think that's where you see its worth the $$$. Also moving around in 3D with materials and textures on. That is where to see the differences.
I read this. I've done GPU rendering benchmarks on Quadro vs GeForce using CUDA and RTX based processes, there were no gains from the Quadros. And I've literally developed and released a 3D CAD benchmark program which moves around materials and textures, again, no benefits from Quadro. There may be some applications which are specifically written to excel on Quadro drivers but the hardware itself manufactured or tweaked to boost CAD.
@@Neil3D OK thank you for the reply. I also run a 1070Ti and I guess it all comes down to needing the CPU power for the rendering. I do steel work and render it as my advertising images.
Thanks so much Neil all your videos have helped me so much. Wondering if you have a video on project geometry what would you use each item for?
I have a project geometry tutorial th-cam.com/video/LFgue2aZyWY/w-d-xo.html but I don't think I cover all the different types, just the regular project geometry.
Boils down to 3 things:
Do you need ECC?
Do you need support?
Can you pay for those two?
I use Siemens NX and Tecnomatix - GeForce is absolute rubbish for NX/TX so I have to use Quadro even at home.
@@MegaMarcusred even when chip and memory are the same?
i don't know if they intentionally disable functions of the die...as i unstand it's got something to do with yield rate. so a perfect die would make a 1080 and one that had some things go wrong becomes a 1060...
Awesome video. So just a question. I use Autocad Arch. 2014 for drawing up Architectural plans, elevations etc. I only draw in 2 dimension. I import a lot of pdf and jpeg images to trace. I currently use an Nvidia Quadro K2000 that has 2 GB of ram (recommended by autodesk at the time of purchase going on 10 years ago. When zooming in and out of a floor plan image the imagery is jerky and very slow. I am sourcing parts for a new workstation build for my home office work. In my situation, would you still recommend the Geforce over the Nvidia? You've got a new subscriber. Thanks
for cad works and learning Inventor and revit. Is it worth it?
1. used 5 yr old Xeon 1276M + Quadro P1000 for $500
2. used 2 yr old i5 10300h + 1650ti for $500
3. new i5 1235u + 3050ti for $750
There are lot of factor responsible for good resolution we cannot excatly says that Quadro images are best ,than the GTX
I'm doing full 3D particle collision systems, water simulations and 3Ds Max/vray rendering on a Titan xP 11gb with a i9 10c/20t processor. Yes, I would love to have me a RTX 8000 Quadro card, but my last name isn't Bezos. Its the greatest scan from Nvidia in the history of the universe.
Amazing video!! What about the AMD video cards? Do we absolutely need AMD Radeon Pro Series for Autodesk products or Can I run everything with the AMD RX 6800 XT i am about to buy?
Can't find this tool on the internet, can someone help me out with the executable?
I know this is well below you expertise but is there a recommendation for video card to use i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor, while using CAD in 2D and 3D. The models usually have 50-100 parts I need to spin around and view in cad. CAD CAM. Viewing with 2 monitors in 1080. With a budget of 350 US dollars . Thanks
I would also like a recommendation for video card for the AMD 7700X with dual 1080 monitors . While using CAD3D while viewing mulitple PDFs. I didnt see this one listed on your site when I checked.
Wheather it will be a Quadro or a GTX when you play game picture quality varies time to time it's never constant,for a little time it will be constant
Thanks for the insightful investigation.
Quadro is expensive GPU, it consume very minimum electricity but graphic output is very good looking the brightness and colour is very impresive
Thanks very much for your video! I was building PCs for my Architecture Office and the last one had an issue where the PC completely froze with a GTX 1650. Will buy Quadros in the future just to not be in the situation you mentioned - also if it means paying about €500 more per workstation than for a GTX-Build.
I'm working on setting up a CAD station, I was always going to choose Nvidia as I'm interested in gaming. I really want an RTX card for the ray tracing.
Watching to see why the hell you have 2 cards though :p.
WOW. Finnaly workstation videos on there graphic cards.
great vids sir.
Very informative as always.
If you don't mind the questions..
why are you using SLI?
What are the benefits with Autodesk software
I use AutoCAD (2D) and Revit in my home office (no solid works nor Lumion) .. would a 2080ti or even 2080ti in SLI be beneficial to me?
If you have cards with NVlink. Usually a Quadro only tech would be what you are looking for. Sli is trash. NVlink actually will give you the 200% not the maybe 150%
Though there are more differences in the two cards.
Thanks so much, you’ve made it a lot clearer for me now💯
Would you recommend quadro just for charting applications or any other gaming gpu? I found a gtx 1060 3gb for 60$ but a quadro m2000 cost me twice. I want to run up to 4 screens of charts, market scanners and market data.
Hi. Do you know if the NVIDIA RTX A1000 is a good option for 3D modeling and rendering? If not, which would you recommend? I appreciate your insight!
The best benefit so far seems like greatly expanded VRAM capacity compared to GeForce cards.
Also don’t forget ECC memory within the VRAM! And the biggest benefit of going Quadro is certified drivers and guaranteed software compatibility. The programs like solid works (Full disclosure I recently found this out) certain features won’t even run on a GeForce card of greater power versus a Quadro because of the software and driver differences.
Had my P5000 for 4 years now, works fine for gaming and more professional stuff but i am not getting 120 fps in Star citizen but then my 5k monitor is only 60hz either way :)
Where is the Inventor Graphics Certification Tool? I cant find it!
Please test in Revit 2020 and BIm360.
Don't know about inventor, but I have the feeling, that there is a GPU-accelerated feature in Fusion360. The CAM-Simulation with Stock enabled. Can you confirm this? Doesn't have to do anything with GeForce vs. Quadro, but may be important to decide how powerfull a card you should buy.
Hey TFI great vid as usual! Specially for engineers nor gamers, would you say similar could apply to laptops? Though mobile GPU gets more complicated with soo many maxQ, super, etc.
Dear Neil, it's possible to get somewhere the Graphics Certification Tool?
what are the news? it has be done for nvidia since long time ago, 15 year ago you can take a gamers video card, remove a couple of transistors and make a quadro for your self.
FIY for anybody wondering, qaudro's in generally do work better with Solidworks and it is a massive improvement over running a normal gaming card, we tried a few gaming cards and just moved to quadro's plus the price of them these days u dont have to sell a body part.
I recall something about their RealView or something like that needing Quadro drivers... which... given what I've just shown here, you'd hope that they have some really good reasons for doing that and locking out Geforce cards from working!
@@Neil3D Yes u are correct its more to do with their real view gimmick , Solidworks main thing has always been to get the best performance and the less bugs is to just use dell workstations and qaudro's cards for some silly reason even contacting their support they will spew that same line, but even with qaudro cards it is still a mission to open an assembly with give or take 2000 parts, their performance has trully gone down the drain
We have a Quadro p600 laptop has better performance than GeForce 1050 laptop in solidworks and Catia v5.
1050 laptop has better CPU though.
I wish i could use GeForce graphics card with solidworks same performance as inventor.
Thanks a lot for this great video! Priceless info!
I'm in a office of a big big big company. I work with inventor with laptop and desktop. On one hand I have a RTX5000 128gb ram ... on the other a hp z fury with a rtx a2000 with 4gb and 32gb ram... More or less there's no differences. At home I have a dell for my stuff of 2018 with 16gb ram and gtx 1060 ... more or less.... I can do the same things. All marketing i guess. what do u think? maybe the processor can change? i always worked with xeon.. never try a i lines.
Hey Neil,
I’m getting ready to build a PC for my small, home-based business, focusing on optimal Solidworks performance.
After watching your video and trying to pay careful attention, I can’t help but to be reluctant on choosing the GeForce architecture given that it seems as though any windows update has the potential to completely HALT my solidworks work flow… Am I coming away with the correct interpretation of the information presented in your video?
Have prices deflated for Quadro cards since this video was made?
As a potential GeForce customer, should I just come to terms with the possible risk of my machine not being usable?
I used Autocad R15 with K4000 quadro at home. The render does not use the GPU, therefore should I keep the K4000 and upgrade the CPU or upgrade the GPU and find a way of rendering with the GPU.