Patrick Cleburne: Stonewall of the West | Complete Documentary
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- The life of Patrick Cleburne is full of hope and success. He made his way to the United States from Ireland, established a successful law practice, and when the country began tearing itself apart, he joined the Confederacy and became one of its greatest commanders. The American Civil War rose Cleburne's fame to heights never imagined and he will forever be known as the Stonewall of the West.
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Patrick Cleburne was was very honorable warrior and a gentleman.
Yes, he certainly was. It's so sad that he didn't live to marry his fiance and enjoy life.
I stood on the Franklin battlefield site on New Years Day, January 1, 2010, because of one primary interest - Patrick Ronayne Cleburne. His exemplary conduct, in both peace and war, reveals the character that made this country exceptional; it also reminds us of what we so desperately lack in this hour.
Much obliged!
This has been a great documentary to watch unfold.
I live in Cleburne, Texas and I can understand why the men who served under his command voted to change the name of our town after the war from camp Henderson to Cleburne in honor of him.
May he never be forgotten.
Do not even put Hood and Bragg in the same category…
I live down the road from Cleburne, TX, and have always been interested in how towns got their names. This was a very interesting presentation and history.
I was born in Cleburne!
Been a student of Cleburne for a long time. This is the most I ever learned about him in one place. Thanks.
There very few TH-cam channels that tell a UNBIASED view of the civil war. That honor BOTH sides. We all are very fortunate to have real historian among our midst. Great job as always.
Thank you so much.
@@HistoryGoneWilder No thank u I am so sick of people breaking down the civil war as a simple matter of good vs evil. Many of the divisions of our nation come from that war. Wounds that never healed. The absolute power of the federal government. In some ways it was about States rights. Not every southerner fought for slavery and not every Northerner fought to free slaves. We have to face it or we will be destroyed from within not from some foreign threat.
Yes, it's total nonsense that the Confederates get a bad rap just because they wanted to keep black people as slaves. As a white person, it's never affected me and I don't get why black people never got over it.
@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9596 I don't think people like you actually read what other people write. No one wrote that slavery was a good thing. They wrote people had different reasons for fighting. Is that too difficult for you to understand?
But it was a battle of good v evil. Let it go, slavery was absolutely what the war was about.
Cleburne was a superb tactician. His epic defense of Ringold against terrible odds is the stuff of legends. He never shirked his duty under fire. He never ordered his soldiers to do anything he was unwilling himself to do. Thus he perished in combat at Franklin, leading from the front, as always. It is a shame he did not survive the war and live to publish a book on the war as he saw and personally experienced it.
Epic defense of Ringold?fort Ringold?
Can you imagine a modern day officer leading charges like Cleburne did?
@@roela9017 Battle of Ringgold Gap: Ringold, Georgia...late 1863. After Bragg got whipped and headed south out of Tennessee.
Love your videos. Especially Cleburne and AP Hill. You are doing great work, please don't stop.
Holy Cow! Thank you so much! I don't have the words to thank you. Rest assured that I will not stop. Got many more biographies coming up.
My favorite General of the entire Civil War. I enjoyed this documentary. God Bless Sir
Your favorite? Couldn’t pick one that was on the right side of this unholy war?
@@Bigtim2you He was on the right side to some of us. My favorite also...I was born in the north.
I have been to Rhea springs at shiloh many times, where the 6th Mississippi was decimated and the vicinity where Cleburne was thrown from his horse. I have also been to Franklin Tennessee where he was killed. Patrick Cleburne is one of my favorite Confederate Generals, and it's a shame that he didn't survive the war. I'm enjoying this history of him, immensely! Thank you !
I'm so glad to hear that. Please check out my other biography series. I'm wrapping one up on George Thomas.
@@HistoryGoneWilder george thomas never lost a battle he was a southern but when the war broke out he sided with the north i heard he defeated alot of popluar confedate generals like robert e lee and stonewall jackson so i heard i do not know if thats true or not i heard that from another youtuber where was the battle where cleburne got labeled the stonewall of the west which battle its sad stonewall jackson died at chancellorsville while patrick died in the west in 1864 two years from each other
Mine too. Franklin was such a waste. Many of the killed were just a day's walk from home.
@@FetchTheSled the confederate solders and generals fought like wildcats back during the american civil war yet the federal army was fightning the confederate ary with one arm tryed behind their backs
@@FetchTheSled I just bought the book 5 tragic hours the battle of Franklin. I'm reading it next after I finish McDonoughs book on stones river.
This was epic to listen to, outstanding job, learned a ton. Thank you!
Thank you so much for watching and the kind words.
Franklin was the battlefield that I could feel the greatest loss at and I've been to nearly all the major battle sites. It was as if the spirits of the dead still remained to sanctify that ground. Cleburne doesn't receive nearly enough credit and it pains me that we live in a time where even the teaching about the history of such men isn't even allowed in public schools. These were Americans.
Yeah they had some great men of war but like the Nazi their ego's clashed and didn't take in consideration they had the pressure on their capabilities being out gunned out manned with no end in sight and how many men played both side's when they were close to shooting their own General's as Hitler said about Stalin he said he wasn't worried about Stalin being more dangerous than his troops they pushed east and maybe changed uniforms to fool the sight of the residents who in snow only saw the regalia. Nazi was a Druid men of high intelligence but no patience with the odds turning them to use his last card the joker walked through demoralized population who probably thought having a king wasn't as bad. It's brutes who get men to push the action to see who flentches Hitler probably heard a dumb Ox in Stalin and Trotsky would have worried him I bet.
The Franklin battlefield could have been preserved but it's mostly suburbs now, a few sites still surviving. I grew up in that area and as a child walked the fields over which Claiborne's Division charged, all nearly pristine and open. One of the most important battlefields in TN and unfortunately lost.
@@unbreakable7633 Grew up in Franklin, TN from 3 years old and live less than half mile (if-that) from Cleburne Street, Adams Street, Gist Street, etc. I have to be honest, I think there has been a hell of an effort compared to other historical Confederate states to conserve the Franklin battlefield overall. I know most don't appreciate the South's role in the war these days, but people need to keep in mind that the vast majority of soldiers fighting didn't own slaves, as they were very expensive and only rich plantation owners could afford them. These young Southern kids were fighting because they felt like they were defending their homeland. They got completely used up to fight a rich man's war for financial reasons and died in the thousands doing so.
I should add that the vast majority of German soldiers in WW2 weren't fighting for Jewish genocide. The SS probably, but the Wehrmacht I doubt. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say
@@buddyacesmxbc1055what on earth are you even talking about?
Brilliant, thanks for everything you put into each video a must watch for all civil war enthusiast. Cheers
@@AndyTaylor-m7w thank you so much for watching. I greatly appreciate it.
Thank you for your historical commentary on the 1800's. You do an excellent job of presenting our Country's history.
Patrick was the epitome of a true southern gentleman. I named my son after him.
Patrick Cleburne Baker.
Great documentary. Thanks for a thorough job, your work is always spectacular.
Thank you so much for watching! Are you enjoying the Longstreet series?
I just found your channel the other day and really enjoy your presentations. I majored in history at LSU and had the opportunity to take classes on the civil war and on American military history from professor T. Harry Williams.
That is incredible. I used William's works in my dissertation. Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel.
@@HistoryGoneWilder The civil war class was about 200 students half of which were grad. students. He concluded the last class with Lee's surrender. He got a standing ovation from all his students! Never seen anything like that in collage or law school.
@@mikemcmanus116 I would have loved to be in that class.
@@mikemcmanus116 I've read the book too. I used it for research on Longstreet in East Tennessee.
@@HistoryGoneWilder Longstreet's East TN campaign is a curious episode in the Civil War. I lived in Knoxville for years and years, metal detected the remaining parts of the battlefield there. I also metal detected the battlefield at Bean Station, where Longstreet turned his First Corps around and gave the pursuing Yanks a well-deserved thrashing.
Excellent. First time I've listened to this channel. I enjoy the in depth analysis delivered in a palletable manor. Well done
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Thank you for sharing your research
Great job! Keep it coming
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I’ve been waiting for this compilation! Great work, brother. As always you’re bringing top end work here.
Ringold
?? Was this guy at Fort Ringold I don't know what there refering to when Ringold is metioned
You did an awesome job on this sir. I have always thought that Cleburne even though not given the chance would have been a much better choice then Hood or Bragg. Just my opinion. Anyway great job on this series. GREAT content. I have just watched your start on Thomas. Looking forward to more.
Tickle me Elmo would have been a better choice than Bragg.
Bragg was so bad, he would of been one of the worse Union generals, if he fought for the North
@@gilbertkohl6991 I actually rank Bragg as one of the better Union generals, just as McClellan was effectively a good Confederate general!
A superb job informing on an even more superb Gentleman, Officer, MAN, for whom, I hold as one half of the two finest fighting men of that and any war known, along with Gen Forrest, the Wizard of he Saddle and by the grace of God a gift to the art of war, if there must be any atall, I say.
My great Uncle was cut down at Chickamauga on day 2, Lt Ben Pickett 1st Ga. Cav. later at his home place in New Hope Ga. the good Pat Cleburne was OIC over my peoples place, and Bens place more particular, at the Battle of Picketts Mill, which Cleburne led to a victory for our good Johnnies.
Pride is the only notion i can muster in that association of mine to his fine self and if this is showing my bad side in bragging, then so be it, he was and is worth it.
Thank you for this broadcast and let it be heard amongst the ears yet deafened still to the righteous narrative and for whom its serves to be heard as such.
Thank you Sir!
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I am a history junkie and love reading up and assessing commanders operational performance. This man has been almost criminally neglected.
Thank you so much for the work you put into your channel.
Thank you so much for watching.
superb content. thankyou for your service.
Great channel, the best.🎉🎉🎉
Excellent. Thank you
Thank you for watching!
"there were some very fine people on both sides." - A man who cannot help, but tell it like it is.
Excellent job! Thank you very much.
You are very welcome!
Excellent biography and very well narrated.
Thank you so much. I have many more on the channel and many more to come.
Thanks! Huge fan of Cleburne .
I agree that this very balance and fair view of Patrick Cleburne
Beautiful detailed video. The General was a true American leader.
This series is very very well done. Excellent scholarship!
Thank you so much. Please check out my other videos.
I yuck it up a bit in my comments but the truth is I love your channel. I hope your channel gets as big as the others like 'History Traveler' 'BOFT'. I've never learned a whole lot about the 'western theater' as your people from the south and the north call it. We in Colorado know where the real western theater is lol. I sure as heck never learned anything about Cleburne and Franklin. This series has been pure gold to me and I'll probably watch this a couple times so I can commit things to memory. Thank you sir.
Thank you so much for the kind words. I'm so happy that you enjoyed the series. Next week, I debut the next series
Sooooo well done. Thank you.
You're welcome.
Great job on this one!
Thank you so much!
Really enjoy your videos here. Keep up the great work and I appreciate it and your devotion to history.
Thank you so much. I've got great content that comes out every Tuesday and Friday.
The telling of Cleburne's story, with its moral ambiguity,
is a sort of mirror to the one you previously assembled and told of Hancock,
who also displayed similar contradictory attitudes, to what freedom and equality meant then.
(and now)
One, Cleburne, had been on the receiving end of prejudice, but fought for enslavement;
the other, Hancock, had not, and fought for the abolishment of slavery, even if that had not been
his primary reason for that decision. Hancock's prejudice would be on full display in his later postings to the western division.
Still, Dr Wilder, please continue with your efforts to elucidate and educate!
In these times, we need it.
Thanks for the indepth history of a great leader. With a sense of honor and duty.who led by example.
You are very welcome! Please check out my other biographies and animated battle maps.
Your content is amazing.
I really like this channel and the narrarter way of telling history
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This video is totally awesome! My Great Great Grandfather fought under Patrick Cleburne but was captured at the battle of Spring Hill.
Then was transferred to Camp Douglas in Chicago. After the war he joined the Indian War . Thank you for this great history .
Semper Fi
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Being from Barbourville KY it was nice to hear that C was there. Always been one of my favorite Generals but never knew he had been there.
Yep. I'm not too far from Barbourville. It saw thousands of soldiers pass by, many of the more prominent Western Confederate Generals.
I studied history at Union College. Of course my concentration was on Civil War particularly Stonewall Jackson's Valley campaign and Jeb Stuart. Unfortunately I only taught high school social studies for about 10 years before moving on to being a social worker and comparative lit professor. I'm retired now since 2017 and the discovery of your channel has been a true gift..so Thank You
Bless Patrick Cleburne +
How are you not getting Demonetized? Godspeed keep up the good work
But most good old boys say, “The civil war was not about slavery.”
And the uninformed but nonetheless biased will say it was all about slavery
I mean it was. But it was also against Federalist government aswell. For example 1st inaguration speech by Abraham Lincoln says he has no intention on getting rid of slavery. And there is som suss info that he may have introduced the Corwin Amendment but this is not talked about that much, just saying if you are anti slavery you would try to avoid that, but it may be federalist way of introducing it. While slavery being abolished is a good thing. One could argue that Lincoln was mostly a Northern expantionist over that.
@@shibawarrior17the traitors wanted primarly to expand slavery, for they knew it was a paracite that had to fest on fresh blood in order to mantain itself
Reason why, they rejected Lincoln's addmenment, for it limited slavery to the states that had it legal. And that was the main reason why Lincoln was elected, for he wanted to prevent the expantion of slavery
Good presentation but you were in error stating there was no food in Ireland. The British refused to close the ports in Ireland. They allowed the wealthy landowners, Catholic & Protestants alike, to ship the crops grown in Ireland to the markets instead of feeding the starving populace. Only the potato was affected by the blight. There was ample food in Ireland just no potatoes.
Also wrong in the number of Irish people that died from the famine. It was not thousands of thousands. It was 4 Million that died directly as a result of the famine and 2 Million emigrated.
I've been through the Cumberland Gap several times on I-75, and I bet that back in THOSE days....hauling all that Military Supplies, cannon, etc, was HELL on those poor horses!! If they weren't getting shot out from under folks in battle, they were being made to climb mountains with tons of steel hooked to their butts!!! You gotta KNOW that if one were to know that he'd be the new Steed for Nathan Bedford Forrest, he'd cut a line, the HELL outta there, before letting THAT dude mount his back!!!
That's why mules were preferred.
1:27:07 - 1:33:39 if you ever need to dispute what the confederacy was fighting the war for,
there it is encapsulated.
Well Done Sir.
This was phenomenal. A shame he fought on the wrong side of the war. But I have to admire his courage and loyalty to his friends.
Wasn't the wrong side except to Yanks. The causes of the Civil War are complex and not the simple "slavery slavery slavery" that is now taught. Many Southerners, like Claiborne, owned no slaves and fought to defend their homes and families, to preserve limited federal constitutional government. There are a few good books on this, one being the Kennedys' THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT and another Jeffery Hummel's EMANCIPATING SLAVES, ENSLAVING FREE MEN, and I can't omit Dowdey's THE LAND THEY FOUGHT FOR. It's not the black and white picture PC historians paint.
@@unbreakable7633 Omfg not PC historians, just historians. Confederate soldiers in their own words, even those who didn't own slaves, fought for it's preservation. The entire preamble to the civil war was about the spread of the slavery, in every constitution, and every letter of secession from slave owning states, the institution of slavery was brought up as THE primary motive for secession. You can find books about anything. I don't have time for lies and propaganda. Go watch the Checkmate Lincolnites series by Atun Shei Films. Or listen to Gary Gallagher.
However, the Union soldiers didn't fight to end slavery, and only felt that was their motive after seeing the terrible conditions of the slaves first hand. But even after the war, there wasn't a meaningful end to slavery. The north fought to preserve the Union. Whatever drivel people want to push about how terrible carpet baggers were, or how evil reconstruction was is dogwater. White southerners did not want to be equal to black Americans, and it's still in our politics to this day.
@@elevencharlie9549 Read the books. And they are PC historians, not real historians with objective minds and fair assessment of the evidence. I've studied the Civil War most of my reading life and I've read numerous dairies and memoirs of soldiers on both sides. Many Yank common soldiers said they weren't fighting about slavery but to save the union. Even Lincoln said at the beginning of the war it was about saving the union. I've seen Atun Shei and think he's full of PC crap. I've read several of Gary Gallagher's books. You're lecturing somebody who's read hundreds of books on the war. And your PC mind is closed tighter than a virgin's hole. Adios. Read the books. Or close your mind.
@@unbreakable7633it was 100% to keep the slaves enslaved
You can't argue against it while you gave Cleburne's proposal to arm slaves right in front of you
What's the song that plays around hour 2 minute 8?
awesome I commend the quality of your work
Thank you so much.
Well Done
Thank you so much. Please check out my other videos.
Thank you for these in depth videos about the lives of these leaders during the civil war. I was reading up on Cleburne and discovered his fiance Susan Tarleton's best friend was Sallie Lightfoot. My mom is going to check and see if this is the same Sallie Lightfoot that is a relative of ours from the 1800s. I just love history and the human connection!
It becomes even more real when you find these personal connections. Thank you so much for watching.
Thousands of thousands of Irish died from the Irish famine? Major error. It was 4 Million that died directly from the famine and 2 Million emigrated.
Finally someone recognizes one of the top five generals in American history.
I'm covering many more of them. Please check them out.
Indeed ! And one that in my mind has never truly been recognized for his true worth and talent !
I am a history junkie and love reading up and assesing commanders operational performance. This man has been almost criminally neglected.
I had never heard of this man ♂️ until today.
I hope you enjoyed it.
@@HistoryGoneWilder Oh I will.
I would love to be able to share with you things about the Camden Expedition. I had a grandparent die in the battle of Jenkins ferry
Soy español y conozco a cleburne siempre duro,patricio no está infravalorado al menos los que conocemos a generales y batallas tengo siempre conmigo mi libro grandes batallas de la american civil war,con el prólogo de jhon keegan,lo he leído cien veces,la roja emblema del valor,películas,documentales,y el que no conozca a cleburne no creo que sepa mucho del acontecimiento porque este hombre estuvo comandando en grandes batallas
well done
I'm most interested in the Confederate invasion of Kentucky in the Fall of 1862. I know Cleburne was part of that. This was underestimated by historians as it was deemed largely unsuccessful (Perryville etc). However it did throw a scare into the Yank's plans & showed the world that the Confederacy could take the offensive.
Also, the Invasion of Kentucky was part of a larger coordinated Confederate incursion into the border states as Lee was invaded Maryland at the same time. The hope of course was to deprive the Union of key border states and the CSA also hoped that Britain and France would see these invasions as a sign that the CSA needed to be formerly recognized. Of course both invasions failed and Lincoln used the military and political leverage to put forth the Emancipation Proclamation. Britain and France wold never recognize the Confederacy. In this sense, the Fall of 1862 is really the moment the South lost. However, it could be said that the Election of 1864 offered the South hope of a deal if McClellan had beat Lincoln but as we know, Atlanta fell, Sheridan beat back the Jubal Early’s Confederates in the Shenandoah and that was the true end…the last months of the war were merely the inevitable bloody grind towards its forgone conclusion.
Found out not to long ago my great 4X grandfather served under him with the 33rd Alabama. O7
Man that was good
I'm glad you like it. I've got many more biographies on the channel.
A common man with common beliefs. That was both good and bad. He was a good officer, but could be very provincial in temperament. But the Irish often see things in black and white
Cleburne in my opinion was one of the south finest commanders and a superior man , however though Cleburne was superior to even those who commanded above him there was still indeed a hierarchy of the war to west , West Point , and various military academy , Cleburne had none of that and though he was more fair , and of intelligent mind he was still not promoted to where he should have been as a full Commander of the Army of the West ! Which he should have been ! Though Cleburne came here to find total equality he was still till the end nit given the glory snd the rank he should have had ! He was to me one our finest and most glorious leaders ! In short ! I love Cleburne !
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My Dad ( rest his soul ) , was a big fan of A.P.Hill, how cool is it to hear his story. Thank you again Historian, I cannot tell you enough how much I enjoy and look forward to your videos.
I just finished that video a few days ago. Talk about a steely knight of the Confederacy. Seems like nothing but continual pain was his lot.
A.P. Hill’s health was suffering tremendously in the last months of the war but he insisted on pushing on and commanding (often from the front when as a Corps Commander). He was the epitome of a fighting general.
Are there commercials in this?
There are ads but none of that is factored into the run time.
I still question the “ lead from the front” mentality they had. Officers committing suicide doesn’t help the men all that much. Yes yes I know the thinking and reason for it but I just think it was counterproductive if you want to win a war
It depended on the situation but many division commanders stayed close to the front but not themselves leading charges. Of course there are a multitude of examples where they did, but it was brigade commanders who got exposed the most to danger as generals in my opinion.
Serving under Bragg must've been difficult enough.
If the South should lose this war then the story of our heroic struggle will be told by the enemy Our children will be taught by Northern school teachers their version of the war They will learn of it through Northern textbooks and will come to regard our honored dead as traitors and our gallant wounded as fit subjects for derision Whats worse everyone will think this conflict was all over Slavery instead of against Big government
General Patrick Cleburne
Confederate Army
They already teach that in universities now. It's permeated the popular culture. There is a great deal of re-education to be done to rectify this horrible wrong.
@@davidcollins2648 what they teach are lies and propoganda
I think the North cant comprehend that the South was fighting for its independence the same way the 13 colonies fought against Britain. Although history labels the conflict the American Civil War it was a War of Independence from the southern point of view. The vast majority of the south and the Confederate soldiers did not own slaves as this was the luxury of the big plantation owners. The slavery issue has been overplayed. Abraham Lincoln the so called champion of freeing the slaves famously stated he would not free one slave if it meant the Union staying together.
Amen brother
The Confederacy’s failure to consider using slaves as soldiers and giving them their freedom as Cleburne urged reflects that the Lost Cause myth is truly a myth.
Hmm. seems Cleburne proved the South was fighting for slavery after all
Proves that things were more complicated and nuanced than the usual "black/white narrative" so beloved by those who seek to make ideological points ..
@@dendradwar9464it 100% proves that the traitors cared only about slavery
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I don’t think you can call Clebourne an abolitionist at all. It’s easy retrospectively, to try and separate him from the Slave Owners he ‘hobnobbed’ with, because he didn’t have the money needed to own slaves in the first place. He seems to have accepted it as ‘THE ’ southern way of life and left it at that. He was deeply ambitious and hitched his wagon to whomever could help raise his fortunes and position in society the best. I doubt he gave any thought to slavery at all, he minded his own business as an immigrant and went about his business quietly and efficiently. He joined the military and rightly rose to prominence there, but his ideas regarding arming slaves to fight for the South, in return for their freedom and that of their families, was the response of an Officer who saw the desperate need for troops but held no understanding of what slavery actually meant to the South at all. He obviously didn’t understand that southerners feared reprisals from armed freed slaves because of their treatment, or their contempt for black people, seeing them as unequal to themselves and more like cattle they also owned. He couldn’t understand why the South wouldn’t forego slavery in order to keep the South its own Country, that’s what he appeared to be fighting for. This doesn’t make him an abolitionist, just an Irish immigrant made good, who didn’t understand slavery in the context of the South. He seems like a decent man, an excellent, reliable friend, who stood alongside his troops and got the job done to the best of his ability, regardless of his own safety. He wasn’t afraid to speak out against inadequate leadership and to make suggestions that made him highly unpopular in the upper echelons of the military and likely hindered his career. But I still believe that his suggestions came not from an aversion to slavery but from a lack of understanding of the subject. It’s sad to see that he died so violently and suddenly in the end, before having the chance to marry and make a family of his own. But he was brave to the end, dying alongside his troops - not behind them, in the midst of a battle that couldn’t be won…..
Too bad other idiots hated him for his views on slavery. Legit based guy in my view
Hood got him killed at franklin.
But his men didn't frag him
Yall tired of winning yet?
Hood was so bad as an army commander. He needlessly cost many many lives. Decent as a leader at lower command. Horrible leading an army.
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Cleborborne was obviously morally confused…. He fled England because he was not treated right by society and not treated fairly and yet he turned around and fought for a bogus government that tried to do even worse to people less than the Irish in England… Obviously this man was morally confused
your giving him 21st century morals you must not make that mistake i am an amateur historian myself american civil period especially i am from the exact same place he was born and raised cork county in ireland and everyone thought just like that unfortunately the irish are a celtic tribe and like the scots and welsh like to fight for the under dogs but cleburne was not treated badly he was anglo irish and had it better than the catholic irish but let me say this little has changed but the color of the flag in the republic of ireland the anglo influence is still as strong if not stronger
You seem confused. So MANY looked to the Civil War as their Rights to fight for their side of the Country. Had the South won their freedom, the first thing to be done away with would have been Slavery. It wasn't the reason for the War. You must be a Northerner. You just don't know the truth. 99% of the people that fought for the South didn't and never had owned slaves. The percentage us actually higher than that. You had to be Rich to own enough land, to far the Cotton on, and also to buy the Slaves with. The only people that owned Slaves, usually were the higher ups in the Government, or the same in the Military. The numbers were 1 in 438, or close to it..in the Confederate Army, owned Slaves. And Patrick wasn't one of them. Most people fighting for the South, did so because they're were told the South qas about to be overun by the Yankees, and they were gonna take everything they owned. I'm from Eastern Tennessee, and it was full-blown Union Supporting here. There's no plantations in the Mountains, and that's all that's here. Whites and Blacks lived side by side, traded goods, moonshine, and even intermarried. When a large contingency if the Tennessee "Home Guard", came to Chattanooga around a year before everything blew up in Chattanooga, and Chickamauga, everyone of them were shot up and one was left alive to tell them not to be sticking their noses where it didn't belong, or they'd be cut off. That's why Tennessee has 3 different Stars on its flag. It's literally like 3 different States, depending on where you are. Cleburne LOVED the South, and in the rime he lived here, definitely determined it was worth dying for. And Slavery wasn't a part of what he loved. If you didn't live out right close to HUGE Cotton Plantations, you didn't ever see it. South West Georgia is a whole different area, and another story. My wife is from there, and it's amazing what I found out there.
learn more. you sound ignorant and confused. worse, judgmental and sanctimonious.
@@williamsteele1409 what do you mean the Anglo influence is stronger now?
Always a tool in the shed
*southern accent* "Patrick Cleburne was discriminated against because he was Irish Catholic." - Cleburne learned nothing and then went to the one place he could discriminate more towards a people society deemed lesser than even Irish Catholics, and fought to defend chattle slavery.
Great general, killed at Franklin. Too bad he joined the traitors.
You're all traitors to the British Crown
As guilty of treason as George Washington
@@doublepoet7852 Washington and the patriots threw off oppressive British rule. A nascent nation rising from the hubris and tyranny of an established one. Cleburne and his fellow traitors wanted to protect and extend slavery. They turned on their own country. Nice try, pal.
Not traitors to their states
Traitors to whom? They served their country and state with distinction and honor, you seem to forget the nation of Confederacy
Traitor
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