Jinx Meets Ava (AGAIN) Will it work THIS TIME?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- In today's video, you're going to see my second attempt at getting my blue throated macaw Jinx to accept my project bird blue throated macaw Ava. Do you think I'll be successful this time? Check out what I changed to hopefully have a better outcome!
What would happen if you weren't in the room, just Dave Jinx and Ava?
I'm still hoping for you to be successful, so don't give up. Thanks for sharing.❤️👍
It may be that when you are involved he gets upset as he seems to see you as his friend, and sees others as a threat that may come and disturb your time together. When meeting Ava when you are not there he may respond differently to her or other birds.
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These are my favorite shows when you guys are interacting with your birds or just doing a day in the life. I love to see all of their different personalities and how they get along with each other and you all
Jinx is such a mommas boy😂
Don’t be so hard on yourself. You love your birds and your birds love you
I've watched many of your videos over the years and I think Jinx shows the same reaction about Ava about Dave too.
Maybe Jinx loves you more than he should maybe he thinks you're his mate. He seems not to accept anyone near your neither bird nor Dave.
Although I think a bird should have bird companions, I don't beleive that you will acheive this aim without breaking the special bond you + Jinx have.
What would happen, if Jinx would be in the same (big enough) aviare with other macaws (not your own flock) for some weeks, without you being around at all ?
Would he start to fight the other birds ? Or would he finally socialize with them ?
I think, Jinx sees you as his mate and that's the reason for his aggression - and you won't find any solution unless you break this special bond .
But is it worth it to put Jinx into this mental stress ? I don't think so.
Let Jinx be Jinx - as cute + crazy as he is - he loves you - and he is jealous - yes - but that's him .. ❤
This really comes down to what you want and what is realistic. Remember this is your flock. If I came to you as a bird owner needing help, your emotions are not involved. If you want to conquer this, your emotions need to be removed. I know easier said then done. I have worked with all sorts of animals behavior, and birds for 45 plus years. We endow our feathered furry family members our own emotions! They really have just needs and we fulfill them. Extraordinary animals with amazing abilities. Remove your emotions to see through the fog. Also as you are in Sandpoint, I hope the wind doesn't get too bad for you guys today!
Like the whip and chain of a century-past lion tamer huh? Just for food and solice. Pfft.
There is nothing wrong with love and affection. Just need to find a way beyond the jelousy. Something a bird can understand or a replacement for the specific emotion(s)
That was a bit heartbreaking. :( But it doesn't seem you did anything wrong. It does seem though that Jinx loves you so much, that there currently isn't enough space in his heart to spare attention for another bird... I have had a break watching your channel, but what Dave said by the end of this video, that he doesn't currently want to train with Jinx, and what you said, that he's been really good lately, makes you think why is it so. Maybe Ava herself isn't even the part of equation, for now at least, considering Jinx's attitude towards Cressie, and Bondai, and Dave.
Lots of love and don't ever give up, we love you!
There are 2 reasons why I only have one bird..... one is that if I got a 2nd my dad would ........ I don't even know what he would do, but it wouldn't be pleasant. The other reason is that my Coco is very bonded to me and I think that he'd be very jealous if I got any other pet. Maybe I'm underestimating him, (......because he is very sweet) but it's a moot point for us anyway. ........So if Jinx is a jealous bird, I still think that you're doing amazing with keeping that big flock and taking such good care of them and loving them all very much and giving them all lots of attention ...... and raising a beautiful wonderful daughter too. I really don't think I could successfully divide my attention the way you do, so way to go to all of you!
DAMN! Banger of an ep, brought the real bird owner down-to-earth experience with this one. We see so much constant success from you guys behaviorally that seeing you go through these (potentially permanent) struggles with a bird really hits home!
As viewers we have much more problematic birds behaviorally than you guys because you guys are pro... this one just really hit home for me that birds are HARD PETS, even for the most experienced.
Good luck with the possessive birb, it'll be a long journey but I'm sure you'll see progress in this behavior. It might not be the progress you want, but like you said, you can't put your human expectations on this one~
Jinx and his blushing though ☺️
Bondi’s cute little chirp 🫠
You might have already gone through this thought process, but maybe ask yourself "why do I want Jinx to have bird friends?"
I understand that lots of species benefit from socialisation, but Jinx might just be happier by himself. There might not be a 'need' for him to get along with other birds. I think as humans we always think other people will be happier with people around them, but some people are just happier in their own company, or with their one best friend. If he is happier without birdy friends, I don't see it as a sad thing because that's one more thing you can understand about him.
The only thing I'm not sure of is if it's actually causing a problem, where situations arise frequently with Jinx being aggressive etc around other birds. In that case, I don't know if you'd have to go through a more extreme training measure where you try and detach yourself from him a bit - but then that might damage your relationship with him, and the whole idea might not be worth it.
I think for me it boils down to, is it a problem that needs to be fixed? Is it affecting you that much, or can you let it go?
Random thoughts from a non bird owner, but long time fan of your videos! You have a bird that really loves you, and watching both of you in videos is special to watch!
Those were actually very good thoughts! Just as lots of cats enjoy having a companion, while others do quite nicely in a solo role.
The whole point is to have a flock that can perform together. So yes its a problem if one is a bully
Maybe Dave or someone else should try to have them in the same room without you present. Maybe he feels jealous when he sees other birds by you.
I dunno. I think you could be 100 percent correct. But I also think that birds are individuals and they become more so in captivity (thus allowing them to choose a human "mate" over a bird mate). I think even if you tried this experiment with ten more birds, each with months of time dedicated, that would still not be enough data to prove your theory. That would be (or I should say could be) like your mother bringing ten guys for you to meet, you rolling your eyes at her each time, and her then deducing that you just don't want a relationship. Until he can speak and tell us we won't know for sure. But I volunteer at Foster Parrots in Rhode Island. We have at any given time around 350 birds, most of which are not in our adoption program because they have behaviors that result in failed adoption attempts repeatedly. But then every once in a while a bird that has been in a shelter for decades will suddenly find their person, or ....maybe not a person....a bird partner. I think you theory is right, it's just that Jinx prefers you as his mate--but I think he could still fall for the right bird. That and, things could change as he gets older. Interesting. Sorry so long and thanks as always for the thought provoking and informative content! ♥🙂
I think you're right it's any bird That jinks is not gonna get along with if your giving them attention and apart of your flock. This has to be sad for you wanting jinks to have a companion but I think you've reached that realization and Jinx is just himself and that's okay. I don't think that it's anything that you have done it's just A part of his personality. He's simply adorable just the way he is happy, grumpy, jealous😂
Oh I really felt for you,especially that ending 😢 don’t be hard on yourself ❤ he loves his momma so much and you have such an incredible bond between you. Jinx reminds me of my sun conure he’s such a momma’s boy too and he screams if I leave him on his tree with my moms sun conure and then go spend time with my parrotlets who have a room of their own. I wonder if some birds are more jealous than others 🤔 but either way I hope things get better for you and please don’t be hard on yourself ❤
Absolutely stunning birds!!
Hey Jamie, like you observed, that just may be a overall Jinx thing that he's pissy with anyone else he sees with you. I don't think it would hurt to have sessions like you recorded here to try to hopefully dial down the reactive side of him - encourage the 'coexist' parts. Here's a question - what advice would you give a client? 😄
The real question is does he portray the same signs when Dave is affectionate with Jamie? Because he seems to like Dave and completes requests for him greatly or is he just using Dave for food then? Or is it just the pecking order of things and where he fits inline??
And if he is jelous of Dave too. Then is he jelous of Capri also?
I would recommend you to make more videos about sun conures, that would be awesome,,,,,,, ohh and more step by step training(for sun conures if possible)
I have been struggling with this very issue! My caique has bonded with me, he loves me. I bought him from a pet shop when he was a baby, and he had already recently been separated from his two sisters because they were bullying him. His whole life, he's been aggressive towards other birds, and also towards my dogs 😂 he is now a needy bird. I want to get him a companion to keep him company and to reduce the neediness but im terrified of introducing him to another caique as he's been so aggressive in the past. I just want him to be happy but i cant spend 24/7 with him 😭 i currently spend between 4-8 hours a day with him and i am very run down as he screams for me the moment i get up from the couch 😢
Im so glad you keep on working with jinx and ava! Dont let yourself down. You did everything possibly good for your bird. Maybe his behaviour could be the result of your actions, but its on you to work around as you always do. As long as you dont give up, im sure you will find a way. Also thank you deeply for showing that even for you well known trainers there are hard times.
I dont know too much about you and Jinx. I think you said you got him as tiny baby bird. I dont know if he was hand raised, maybe he sees you as his mating partner although you tried to prevent hormonal behaviour.
In my country there is a place specialized on parrots which offer mating hotels. They have big aviaries with a ton of other birds of same species, from which ones bird could freely choose. If there is something likely in your area, it could be an option for Jinx to go there on holiday for a few weeks. He could learn to be with other birds and loose his obsession with you.
It isnt that he identifies himself as an alpha human or Jamie as a queen bird. He just hasnt been taught its a forbidden culture.
What is your country?
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Jinx, no bird girl can stand up to your amazing mom. But man you missed your chance with Ava she's the sweetest. 😘 Lucky Claude loves her so much and it was such a highlight to get to meet her. You too Bubs I think your taste in girls is just fine!!💙💛
I think the wisest and most loving thing we can do for our animals is;
- Meet them where they are
- Have no expectations
- Accept them for who they are
Only then can we move forward in a truly respectful and mutually loving relationship.
It works for all animals. Including humans.
Yes, this is the part where they teach us to be better animals.
Love this kind of stuff. Nice job guys
From all I have seen of you innate attunement to all things avian, follow your intuition of what's best for Jinx. You got this. 😁👍
My blue throat and my red fronted macaw have grown up together from babies, but in different cages. It’s taken 2 years but they sort of like each other now- or at least they’ll dance at each other. It’s just a slow process- blue throats usually prefer their people over other birds
Yes, I agree your little birdie only wants you Jamie and he’s jealous of every other bird you are lucky that your sweet bird is not jealous of Dave.
I think he is actually. He has tried to bite Dave before and Dave says in the video that he don't trust Jinx.
Seems like a resource guarding issue... I wonder if graduated counterconditioning would work for him, as it does for dogs?
Yep I have the sweetest African Grey & she seems to want to kill any of the other flock if they come to close. I wonder if pet parrots are like cats that some like only cats, some like only people, some like both??? Or maybe they need a really long time to get to know each other like Mickey & Mia??? Staying tuned to see what you ( the professionals) figure out.
I have two jealous conures, can’t keep them in the same cage, but they can hang out together as long as I’m not giving too much attention to one specific. I give them lots of foot toys when they are together so they are somewhat good at sharing. It’s been a long process and there are steps backwards sometimes. You clearly know what your are doing ❤
I remember when you said you were getting Ava, I had a feeling we would see this play out. It's like you've told numerous other people about getting adding another bird to the flock: they are individuals with personalities and just like people they won't always get along.
Don't get discouraged. You guys are awesome. Hope everyone is doing well. Have a nice day!!
A question: Does Jinx behave the same way towards the other birds when you are not around Jamie? I.e are you the valuable resource that Jinx want to keep for himself and not share with the other birds?
Maybe if you were training him while the other bird was being trained by someone else he would have something else to focus on and slowly habituate? I have two birds that hate each other when they’re competing for my attention, but when they’re by themselves they’re fine. And if I’m in the room with them but focusing on something else they’re both content flying around together and hanging out on the same play tree
Seems like a resource guarding issue... I wonder if graduated counterconditioning would work for him, as it does for dogs? May be worth reading "Mine" by Jean Donaldson.
Hmmm interesting. I didnt think he was using Jamie for food. I believe it is affection. Will be interesting what some simple testing reveals
I think my AG Coco just called me Coco in Jinx's voice when I got in the door today. ("Hi Coco!!!") (He usually talks either in a little boy's voice or my voice). .... but this is not the first time he has imitated Jinx's voice. :)
Could it be the time of year making it extra difficult? Hormones?
Maybe they really need some time with new people sitting in different corners in cages in same room… Just to get through common experience, maybe
Probably always gonna happen if he is that bonded to you. What would happen if you distanced from him if possible? Maybe over a length of time? I know it would suck, Im not scared to admit hes my favourite lol
He didn't act this way with Morgan.. he was a gentleman then.
Amazon parrot vs African grey parrot
Do mccaws not get a long in general or these mccaws get especially jealous of each other?
Wow so hard
Dogs when they get territorial and hierarchical when reintroduced in a neutral place (like on a walk) and re conditioned to socialise have had success
My bird Petey is a cockatiel and is fully flighted and always tries to bite us he is two years old. Any tips on how to tame him again.
What does it mean? When he is opening his beak?
I wonder if changing how much you interact with Jinx would help. Since he seems very attached to you and jealous of other birds. Does he respond the same way if he sees you interacting with another animal or other people? My families blue and gold Bella has decided that my partner is her mate. So he cannot interact with anything while she can see him without her getting mad. Whether that's him petting the dog or sitting next to me. She gets really angry and jealous. She behaves the same with my mother in law, in that she gets really jealous and angry if my father in law interacts with "mom" around her. However if neither of her people are around she's significantly calmer. But that only works if she hasn't seen or heard either of them. If she does she will spend all of her energy calling for and trying to find them.
Here are my thoughts on your question....... Because Coco was abused before we got him, (and I'm a first time parrot parent) it took a long long time and many many bites (more than I could ever count) before I could begin to trust him enough to have him out of the cage for long periods of time (and not worry for my safety...... I don't mean my fingers..... I mean the first time he was on my shoulder when I first knew him, he bit my ear [out of curiosity, he'd never seen ears before I think] and I was worried that I was going to have an unwanted body modification, so we don't do shoulders because I was worried about my eyes), so in that long time that it took us to get to this point of trusting each other, I discovered that Coco and I both trust each other more when there are bars between us. .......Understandable, because I can always pull away and so I'm less worried, and he senses my fear when I am worried and that makes him more worried and more likely to bite.
So here's my idea...........
Say you have a metal cage (any size) near by and you get yourselves to the point where you can get Jinx to do a trick for you and then go in the cage and receive the reward from Dave ...... and eventually when the rewards only ever come from Dave, maybe you can adjust your 20:80 to a 50:50. If Dave is still uncomfortable with treat administration even through the bars (and I understand that too), then I suggest a tool I found online that's called a spoon, but it's trough shaped so you can administer through the bars without getting your fingers near the bird's beak. Maybe you'd need a bigger one for almonds ...... maybe you could make one from a PVC pipe. I guess it wouldn't need to be a certain shape, just like a giant PVC straw that would allow Dave to drop the treat into a dish for Jinx.
So that was my idea for a step one.
I saw your video this morning and I've had a busy day and wasn't able to reply until now and I don't remember if I had any further idea(s) for a step 2.
it might just take more time. i understand what you are saying, but something could change over time. i wouldnt push it, but i wouldnt give up.
I believe you said you adopted Ava, but now you say she's a project bird. Did you decide not to adopt her?
could he be territorial? like you said this is my human why are you holding another bird and not me.
Can you not counter condition for a different emotional response? Might not ever be buddies with another bird but can atleast be out in a room supervised with other birds and not become agitated
If you're worried with both birds in the room, jinx might construe her to be a threat to you.
Do you mean it has developed into a situation where Jamie is giving off signs of demeanor(exhaustion) and constituting a further enragement?
I was thinking he might have appointed himself guard-bird.
Why doesnt Dave trust him? You can see hes nervous and doesnt want to be around him which is sad, did Jinx hurt him? Or is it just the way he behaves around him?
It sounds to me like Jinx is an overbonded bird. He has an unhealthy attachment to you which isn't great. It's hard to realise that because we want what's best for our birds
You seem to be rewarding his bad behaviour. When he acts like that, if he was my bird, he would be back in his cage for a time out while I talked to my other birds. My Quaker was like that. He loves me to bits and would love to be my only bird. But with all his time outs, he has learned. Now he will only body check one of my moustaches to be front and center. When he does that, I go get the one he bumped and have one on one time. And he seems to have changed what he’s doing, instead of body checking, he just threatens with a beak motion. And we are at the point with him and my female brown head; if they aren’t on the perch in their door, I ask “are you in a bad mood” and the bird usually moves further away. Ok. Message received.
Too many birds make him feel jealous and unhappy. He may be happier in a one bird family where he is the star attraction. It really has nothing to do with you.
Alpha males arent generated....
Its seems Jinx very content being with you at home and every person or bird that disrupts his personal time, he gets "upset". Again we humans are humanizing animal behavior and trying to humanize a flock into a humans world. Aniamls are still animals and have instictual behavior, the way jinx sees you in his flock brings out instinctual behavior. can we as humans truely wrap our minds around the animal insticts without humanizing it?
Watch more bird trick videos from start to finish without distractions.
I think you will argue with yourself pretty quickly
As a last resort you could let him watch you and Dave make love in hopes he accepts who your mate really is. But then the question ia will it shatter his ego totally or will he look for other intimacy. They say never never scratch a dog behind its ears because it will fall in love with its owner. Is this true of birds too? Or perhabs a similar location.
Aslong as your willing to start all over from a new starting point and relearn a totally new bird personality and utterly forget all past experience for new. Then I dont see it as a risk not worth it. But it can not be built off what you think you know already works or is a known trait with him.
Wow Jinxie is very jealous, it seems his bond with you is unmatched 🥹 maybe it would be a time thing but I know with birds it’s very complicated.