I went for a 3 link, really thought I’d go for the 5 link, as I already have a BB58 on the 3, but it felt too dressy and the 3 link has that tool watch vibe which I prefer. The warranty card has a NFC chip. When placed near a phone, it gives direct access to the individual Master Chronometer performance data of my watch. Have had my Monochrome for two weeks now and loving it.
Picked this up in the 3 link bracelet option this week. The AD said he should be able to order me the 5-link and rubber strap as well. Worth noting for folks that want options. Great review and a great watch that is so versatile.
By the time you buy the watch, an extra bracelet and an extra strap, you’ve spent enough money that you could have bought a decent watch to begin with.
Great to see Tudor delivering a modern looking Black Bay 41. Keep up the good work here and on Worn & Wound. Non pretentious or clickbaity content and journalism. Best watch channels out there!
Great, concise overview of the watch! Been a big fan of this, and the new size definitely feels great on the wrist. Will be curious to see how Tudor releases more modern looking black bays in the future - always thought that was Pelagos territory, but now I see the need for something modern/a bit less technical and sporty.
I think this is an excellent release by Tudor. I was honestly expecting another black/gilt model, since they did the same with the burgundy last year. It's refreshing and will help this become a modern classic. They did wonders on the case design and comfort since the prior model. I have tried both the Oyster style burgundy new model and 5-link on, including just yesterday. I was at 2 ADs within a week that either sold or transferred their BB Monochrome watches the morning before I showed up. I would go with the 5-link for sure. I'm almost stunned it's so good. It definitely does not feel too big on my 7-inch wrist. While I was hoping for an all blue model to be release, this is still a solid release. I'll just keep waiting for a blue one, or a blue Pelagos 39.
I was just thinking the same thing. The watch is very good but too close to the submariner. With the gold indexes and numbers on the bezel, it's a great watch! With a transparent back, it would be almost perfect for the price.
Great video Blake! Loved the comparison to the sub. If you were after your first Tudor would go for this one or the P39? I’m struggling picking between these two. My wrist is about 6.89 inches and worry about the thickness and L2L of the BB41. Did you find it too heavy? Cheers
While I think you could get away with the new BB41, I think it would be close. The P39 is smaller and lighter, and IMO a bit easier to wear, but that watch is a bit more tool-ish and likely wouldn't be as versatile as the BB41. That said, if have other watches to wear for more formal settings, the P39 would be my choice!
Do you think the blue will be updated to MT-5602-U just like this or red? It seems like the blue and green are the ones without the new Metas movement and thicker than the rest at 14.7 mm vs 13.6 and 22mm bracelet vs 21?
Tudor is difficult to predict on this stuff. I'm still surprised they haven't made more steel BB58 options (I'd love to see a similar monochrome approach to the 58 tbh). It would definitely make sense to see a blue or green bezel here, but given their history, I wouldn't count on it.
Definitely getting one on the jubilee cuz even Rolex doesn't offer glide lock on the jubilee and they only offer jubilee on the GMT models so really tutor is giving you a lot for a lot less money
This year, I was hoping for a blue Pelagos 39. Already own the black variant, and I want a blue one, too, especially in matte blue. Wonder if Tudor will do anything else with the Pelagos 39? I'm sure the BB58 GMT and this BB41 monochrome will make many happy; they aren't for me, though.
@TheDeepTrack In this video, the Rolex Sub almost looks bigger than the Black Bay (diameter wise, not thickness). Is that just an illusion created by the shinier ceramic bezel? Do you know the exact diameter of this Sub? I know it's officially 41mm, but then again so is the BB even though it measures a bit under 41mm. Thanks. Great review!
This is a great observation, and also why I caution folks to not go by diameter alone. There's a lot more 'meat on the bone' with this Submariner reference, and the lug span is 20mm compared to the 21mm of the BB41. Because of this the lug is much thicker and it makes the case look a bit tank-y almost, but it wears thinner and flatter (and easier, imo). Visually it looks bigger in a slightly different way, where the BB41 look thinner and longer.
I really like this release by Tudor. It hits the quality - precision - style balance that makes for a classic IMO. It doesn’t have the bling or flash of others at the price, but I’m not a fan of showpieces.
One of the best reviews I’ve seen on this watch, great work from another fellow smaller channel creator! Well presented and you got my sub as well. 😊 looking forward to your future videos! Also great that you brought in a sub for reference too 😮
@@maitrehg Woah woah woah, calm down 😅. All I’m saying, is that when people mention this watch, they make it seem as though this is the only non-vintage looking Black Bay watch.
You say it's half the price of a Sub, but thats only for the fortunate few who can buy a Sub at retail. For the rest of us the BB is more like a quater or less of the price, it's the real world alternative for those that can't afford to get on a wait list.
Looking at other modern Tudor divers, it seems a safe bet that a small amount of depreciation will take place with this one, but should stabilize over time not too far from it's MSRP. Will largely depend on the volume entering the market, however, which remains to be seen.
Personally I’d say the 5 link and aluminum bezel compliment each other nicely, but it works well on either bracelet. The personally shifts considerably between the two!
Just don't understand why pick this over the Pelagos 39mm. You get no ceramic bezel, fake rivets and I think (in my opinion) the 5 link looks terrible on this model just like I think it looks terrible on the Sub.
I looked at the 39 and the new bb41, the grade 2 titanium puts me off the Pelagos 39, it scratches too easy and is hard to re finish. Also the look of the 39 is way more toolish than the BB41, so they are different watches not competing ones. If the 39 was stainless steel i would probably go with it, also the clasp on the 39 is too long because of the stupid diver extension!!
It’s a nice enough watch but it’s missing the wow factor for me. The jubilee bracelet is better than the faux rivet but the whole vintage inspired design concept is very bland to me. I’d like to see them try something vastly different. I feel like Tudor could be doing a lot more but are restricted by their ties to the past. Intended or not it’s holding them back from being amazing.
Why is social media hyping this boring Rolex clone this hard? Is Rolex hedging their current scarcity for the masses play by pushing this Tudor Submariner homage? As for this boring watch, needs a ceramic bezel for a beater. And for $5k which is kind of insane because my first Rolex Submariner cost that much (soft early 2000s market). But that watch can appreciate in value unlike these Tudors. I don't know Rolex have jumped the shark with these prices, it's pretty much iced out first time mechanical Swiss watch buyers in their 20s who don't have disposable income the way I had when I was in my 20s fresh out of college. That pricing is very short sighted in an Apple Watch reality. I guess it's Tudor or bust for Gen Z targeting.
Buy the Tudor in another year and it will be $1000 cheaper and it will maintain its value. The Tudor is a better looking watch than the sub. Not at all boring, especially on the rubber strap.
@@scottd1342 hard for me to justify even $3500 for a not really inhouse movement from a brand with no real inhouse heritage. METAS would be great on a more complicated movement but for a basic 3 hander with no date COSC vs METAS is just a couple of seconds best case when both are properly regulated. I just can't get over how brands with no inhouse heritage or inhouse manufacturing are getting the public to go along with these prices.
@scottd1342 even a grand cheaper its still $3500 for a basic 3 hand movement and no ceramic bezel. That's literally a Seiko Presage but without Seiko's 100 years of 100% inhouse heritage. Hype train aside, Is an extra 3 seconds really worth that in today's inflation economy? Of course not. You can cut that premium in half with a COSC Longines also with 100 years of inhouse heritage and actual complication and not just a base movement. Neither Tudor nor Rolex even make a grand complication. This is wild to me that people fall in line with these marketing strategies
Compared to a Squale, this looks very expensive. Both offer high quality Rolex homages. That's all this is. A few tweaks, ( the logo and snowflake) like good homages do, rather than being a clone, but still a homage. I guess they are hoping people who can't afford a sub feel this is an acceptable homage because of shared Trust ownership, and it returns Tudor to its origins, an affordable version of a Rolex with a cheaper movement. And don't say Rolex aren't available, they make up nearly half of the second hand market on Chrono, Watchfinder etc. without huge markups nowadays. So if you have 9k that gets you the sub, or 4.5k gets you the homage. Better yet, drop a quarter of that price for one of the many homage brands out there, some with a longer history, many using bought swiss movements etc for a quality product. Tudor is only in-house because they bought the movement supplier. Or just buy the 14060m. It has a robust modern movement, 40mm case and the recognised brand. Why are Tudor doing this now? Probably because they lost market share last year and fell behind Hermes in watch sales to no.17. I’m not sure highlighting how much of a homage they are helps Tudor develop its own position, and the design team must have taken all of 3 minutes to change the snowflake and logo…then moved on the innovate a GMT homage that’s not a coke.
The Tudor has a better movement than the Rolex 32xx ones, tons of problems with it. And better than the 14060m with an AR coated crystal instead of the 14060m riduculously reflective crystal, slightly bigger so more modern, and a better, easily adjustable bracelet.
Tudor is slowly turning this watch into a 30 year old Rolex,all Tudor needs to do is make it thinner and add a Mercedes hr hand. Rolex current submariner has gone on a different path, it’s so square looking,with a big price tag now. Like a seiko turtle 🐢 look. The ink black dial is great 👍 the movement is Meta certified and the jubilee bracelet is the way to go, similar to a Rolex Pepsi. Those rivets are terrible on the original bracelet 😞 and the crown is closer to the case. This is a great upgrade . But it’s not a Rolex, and never will be a Rolex 😮
These are nice watches but after spending £5k (or whatever) you’ll still be wearing a poor mans Rolex …. Which is what Rolex intended it to be (not what I am calling it)
I do not agree to this view on the BB. Maybe you are even smarter if you prefer this watch over the Submariner. You save about half of the price but you will not get a watch that is less good. Of course Rolex guys will consider the BB a poor man‘s watch.
Or who dont see the value in paying 9k for a watch that isnt really any better. I see it as a smarter purchase for people who dont care about the image that Rolex has created. Also you dont get anyone looking at your Tudor thinking its a fake, but you do with every Rolex!!
Fantastic review, Blake. Thanks for costing me $4500.
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I went for a 3 link, really thought I’d go for the 5 link, as I already have a BB58 on the 3, but it felt too dressy and the 3 link has that tool watch vibe which I prefer. The warranty card has a NFC chip. When placed near a phone, it gives direct access to the individual Master Chronometer performance data of my watch. Have had my Monochrome for two weeks now and loving it.
Picked this up in the 3 link bracelet option this week. The AD said he should be able to order me the 5-link and rubber strap as well. Worth noting for folks that want options. Great review and a great watch that is so versatile.
By the time you buy the watch, an extra bracelet and an extra strap, you’ve spent enough money that you could have bought a decent watch to begin with.
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@@whereRbearsTeethwhat is a decent watch according to you?
I love mine on 3 link only issue I have is it $700 to purchase rubber strap...
Extremely thoughtful review. And especially helpful to see the comparison to the submariner. Thank you for that.
Great to see Tudor delivering a modern looking Black Bay 41.
Keep up the good work here and on Worn & Wound. Non pretentious or clickbaity content and journalism. Best watch channels out there!
Great, concise overview of the watch! Been a big fan of this, and the new size definitely feels great on the wrist.
Will be curious to see how Tudor releases more modern looking black bays in the future - always thought that was Pelagos territory, but now I see the need for something modern/a bit less technical and sporty.
I think this is an excellent release by Tudor. I was honestly expecting another black/gilt model, since they did the same with the burgundy last year. It's refreshing and will help this become a modern classic. They did wonders on the case design and comfort since the prior model. I have tried both the Oyster style burgundy new model and 5-link on, including just yesterday. I was at 2 ADs within a week that either sold or transferred their BB Monochrome watches the morning before I showed up. I would go with the 5-link for sure. I'm almost stunned it's so good. It definitely does not feel too big on my 7-inch wrist. While I was hoping for an all blue model to be release, this is still a solid release. I'll just keep waiting for a blue one, or a blue Pelagos 39.
Blue P39 would be a welcome release!
Really good review. Thanks. Strongly considering this watch. Tudor are doing great things.
Great watch. Personally I'd like to see this in the 58 case.
I was just thinking the same thing. The watch is very good but too close to the submariner. With the gold indexes and numbers on the bezel, it's a great watch! With a transparent back, it would be almost perfect for the price.
For me the best Tudor since the North Flag. They are slowly moving into the right direction.
I tend to scratch aluminium bezels so a no go for me. Need that ceramic goodness😊
Great video Blake! Loved the comparison to the sub. If you were after your first Tudor would go for this one or the P39? I’m struggling picking between these two. My wrist is about 6.89 inches and worry about the thickness and L2L of the BB41. Did you find it too heavy?
Cheers
While I think you could get away with the new BB41, I think it would be close. The P39 is smaller and lighter, and IMO a bit easier to wear, but that watch is a bit more tool-ish and likely wouldn't be as versatile as the BB41. That said, if have other watches to wear for more formal settings, the P39 would be my choice!
@@TheDeepTrack thanks for the answer Blake! The P39 has been certainly recommend a lot! We are spoiled for choices now!
Do you think the blue will be updated to MT-5602-U just like this or red? It seems like the blue and green are the ones without the new Metas movement and thicker than the rest at 14.7 mm vs 13.6 and 22mm bracelet vs 21?
Tudor is difficult to predict on this stuff. I'm still surprised they haven't made more steel BB58 options (I'd love to see a similar monochrome approach to the 58 tbh). It would definitely make sense to see a blue or green bezel here, but given their history, I wouldn't count on it.
It's great. Like a vintage sub but better. Movement, bracelet, bezel. Snowflake! Well done Tudor! Make mine a 5 link
I wonder if the Ranger bracelet fits the endlinks ? Buy on rubber and purchase the Ranger bracelet separately perhaps.🤔
Nice idea! Though the Ranger has a 20mm lug span if I'm not mistaken. That bracelet would look great on this.
Ngl, this is probably a must-buy for me (on 5 link, but worn on Nato & sailcloth)
Definitely getting one on the jubilee cuz even Rolex doesn't offer glide lock on the jubilee and they only offer jubilee on the GMT models so really tutor is giving you a lot for a lot less money
Nice Blake, subscribed!
This year, I was hoping for a blue Pelagos 39. Already own the black variant, and I want a blue one, too, especially in matte blue. Wonder if Tudor will do anything else with the Pelagos 39? I'm sure the BB58 GMT and this BB41 monochrome will make many happy; they aren't for me, though.
Would love to see a blue P39!
@TheDeepTrack In this video, the Rolex Sub almost looks bigger than the Black Bay (diameter wise, not thickness). Is that just an illusion created by the shinier ceramic bezel? Do you know the exact diameter of this Sub? I know it's officially 41mm, but then again so is the BB even though it measures a bit under 41mm. Thanks. Great review!
This is a great observation, and also why I caution folks to not go by diameter alone. There's a lot more 'meat on the bone' with this Submariner reference, and the lug span is 20mm compared to the 21mm of the BB41. Because of this the lug is much thicker and it makes the case look a bit tank-y almost, but it wears thinner and flatter (and easier, imo). Visually it looks bigger in a slightly different way, where the BB41 look thinner and longer.
As for the Tudor black bay 41. Is there any difference than the last year model? Cause I really like the red bezel.
Only difference is the colorway! Last year had the burgundy bezel with gilt dial, and this year it uses black and white throughout.
Nice video thanks for sharing. I picked up the 5 link one 2 weeks ago. If you don’t mind me asking. What brand nato is that one? Thanks in advance 👊🏽
Nice, congrats! The nato is a matte supreme from Crown & Buckle, they do an amazing job with these.
@@TheDeepTrack thank you and ty. I’ll definitely check them out.
Brother. Last question. What’s your wrist size?
@@tommyhenriquezkayakangler8465 My wrist is 7.25 inches 👍
@@TheDeepTrack ty
I really like this release by Tudor. It hits the quality - precision - style balance that makes for a classic IMO. It doesn’t have the bling or flash of others at the price, but I’m not a fan of showpieces.
Beautiful timepiece
One of the best reviews I’ve seen on this watch, great work from another fellow smaller channel creator! Well presented and you got my sub as well. 😊 looking forward to your future videos! Also great that you brought in a sub for reference too 😮
Is it just me, or has everyone forgotten that the 79030B exists?
Agreed. Everyone acting like tudor is all gilt all the time
Dude it's blue. We wanted a black one without gilt.
@@maitrehg Woah woah woah, calm down 😅. All I’m saying, is that when people mention this watch, they make it seem as though this is the only non-vintage looking Black Bay watch.
And the 79230B. People have tiny attention spans and the marketing machine is intensely powerful. So yes, absolutely.
Sharp Black Bay. Still prefer the Pelagos 42.
You say it's half the price of a Sub, but thats only for the fortunate few who can buy a Sub at retail. For the rest of us the BB is more like a quater or less of the price, it's the real world alternative for those that can't afford to get on a wait list.
Will this watch hold its value?
Looking at other modern Tudor divers, it seems a safe bet that a small amount of depreciation will take place with this one, but should stabilize over time not too far from it's MSRP. Will largely depend on the volume entering the market, however, which remains to be seen.
Do you find the matt aluminium bezel pair better with the rugged looking 3link bracelet instead of the 5 links?
Personally I’d say the 5 link and aluminum bezel compliment each other nicely, but it works well on either bracelet. The personally shifts considerably between the two!
Great vid. Love the watch but was really really wanting gilt on the face. Such a shame. This lacks a lot of pop.
Just don't understand why pick this over the Pelagos 39mm. You get no ceramic bezel, fake rivets and I think (in my opinion) the 5 link looks terrible on this model just like I think it looks terrible on the Sub.
Probably the Sizing. I think this hits the sweetspot in terms of diemnsions for a lot of people
Pretty obvious. You pick this over the P39 if you prefer a steel watch over titanium.
I looked at the 39 and the new bb41, the grade 2 titanium puts me off the Pelagos 39, it scratches too easy and is hard to re finish. Also the look of the 39 is way more toolish than the BB41, so they are different watches not competing ones. If the 39 was stainless steel i would probably go with it, also the clasp on the 39 is too long because of the stupid diver extension!!
Congrats 🥂 that will be my one day 😀
Why wear a Samsung, or an Apple Watch when you can wear a gorgeous watch like this.
If you have the money, go for the Sub!
Everyone. Literally everyone has been asking for this watch.
I need 39mm version
This would be perfect with Mercedes hand set 🔥
I’d feel guilty wearing this with no gilt. 😏
😊😊😊nice Watch 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Rolex Sub 300 m WR 12.4 mm thin
Tudor bb58 200 m WR 11.9 mm thin
Tudor bb41 200 m WR 13.6 mm thick
Why, oh, why Tudor?
Thanks for the vid, man.
It’s a nice enough watch but it’s missing the wow factor for me. The jubilee bracelet is better than the faux rivet but the whole vintage inspired design concept is very bland to me. I’d like to see them try something vastly different. I feel like Tudor could be doing a lot more but are restricted by their ties to the past. Intended or not it’s holding them back from being amazing.
The watch still looks big - IMO
It wears real small but then I wear the SD43.
Why is social media hyping this boring Rolex clone this hard? Is Rolex hedging their current scarcity for the masses play by pushing this Tudor Submariner homage?
As for this boring watch, needs a ceramic bezel for a beater. And for $5k which is kind of insane because my first Rolex Submariner cost that much (soft early 2000s market). But that watch can appreciate in value unlike these Tudors. I don't know Rolex have jumped the shark with these prices, it's pretty much iced out first time mechanical Swiss watch buyers in their 20s who don't have disposable income the way I had when I was in my 20s fresh out of college. That pricing is very short sighted in an Apple Watch reality. I guess it's Tudor or bust for Gen Z targeting.
Buy the Tudor in another year and it will be $1000 cheaper and it will maintain its value. The Tudor is a better looking watch than the sub. Not at all boring, especially on the rubber strap.
@@scottd1342 hard for me to justify even $3500 for a not really inhouse movement from a brand with no real inhouse heritage. METAS would be great on a more complicated movement but for a basic 3 hander with no date COSC vs METAS is just a couple of seconds best case when both are properly regulated. I just can't get over how brands with no inhouse heritage or inhouse manufacturing are getting the public to go along with these prices.
@scottd1342 even a grand cheaper its still $3500 for a basic 3 hand movement and no ceramic bezel. That's literally a Seiko Presage but without Seiko's 100 years of 100% inhouse heritage. Hype train aside, Is an extra 3 seconds really worth that in today's inflation economy? Of course not. You can cut that premium in half with a COSC Longines also with 100 years of inhouse heritage and actual complication and not just a base movement. Neither Tudor nor Rolex even make a grand complication. This is wild to me that people fall in line with these marketing strategies
Never buy this watch as a Sub replacement. Every man has a Rolex shaped hole in his heart.
Compared to a Squale, this looks very expensive. Both offer high quality Rolex homages. That's all this is. A few tweaks, ( the logo and snowflake) like good homages do, rather than being a clone, but still a homage. I guess they are hoping people who can't afford a sub feel this is an acceptable homage because of shared Trust ownership, and it returns Tudor to its origins, an affordable version of a Rolex with a cheaper movement. And don't say Rolex aren't available, they make up nearly half of the second hand market on Chrono, Watchfinder etc. without huge markups nowadays. So if you have 9k that gets you the sub, or 4.5k gets you the homage. Better yet, drop a quarter of that price for one of the many homage brands out there, some with a longer history, many using bought swiss movements etc for a quality product. Tudor is only in-house because they bought the movement supplier. Or just buy the 14060m. It has a robust modern movement, 40mm case and the recognised brand. Why are Tudor doing this now? Probably because they lost market share last year and fell behind Hermes in watch sales to no.17. I’m not sure highlighting how much of a homage they are helps Tudor develop its own position, and the design team must have taken all of 3 minutes to change the snowflake and logo…then moved on the innovate a GMT homage that’s not a coke.
The Tudor has a better movement than the Rolex 32xx ones, tons of problems with it. And better than the 14060m with an AR coated crystal instead of the 14060m riduculously reflective crystal, slightly bigger so more modern, and a better, easily adjustable bracelet.
But it's just a different colour.
If it had a ceramic bezel it would be perfect
It's a fantastic looking watch completely ruined by the awful ugly square hands. Plus it's worth 2.5k max.
Tudor is slowly turning this watch into a 30 year old Rolex,all Tudor needs to do is make it thinner and add a Mercedes hr hand. Rolex current submariner has gone on a different path, it’s so square looking,with a big price tag now. Like a seiko turtle 🐢 look. The ink black dial is great 👍 the movement is Meta certified and the jubilee bracelet is the way to go, similar to a Rolex Pepsi. Those rivets are terrible on the original bracelet 😞 and the crown is closer to the case. This is a great upgrade . But it’s not a Rolex, and never will be a Rolex 😮
This is not a black bay 41
These are nice watches but after spending £5k (or whatever) you’ll still be wearing a poor mans Rolex …. Which is what Rolex intended it to be (not what I am calling it)
I do not agree to this view on the BB. Maybe you are even smarter if you prefer this watch over the Submariner. You save about half of the price but you will not get a watch that is less good. Of course Rolex guys will consider the BB a poor man‘s watch.
@@uwe7445 I don’t consider it a poor mans Rolex - it is what Rolex themselves branded Tudor as.
It’s literally just a sub no date for people who can’t afford Rolex.
Or who dont see the value in paying 9k for a watch that isnt really any better. I see it as a smarter purchase for people who dont care about the image that Rolex has created. Also you dont get anyone looking at your Tudor thinking its a fake, but you do with every Rolex!!
The black bay has the stupids bracelet ever
Why buy this Rolex copy with uglier hands and bracelet when you can get a Seiko or doxa for £1k