What I love the Clyde says is when Jamie's character says, "Then Darby and Ames would have gone free." Clyde literally says, "But at least you would have tried. I could live with that." The fact that the DA didn't try is the main point. Clyde wanted the system to truly punish criminals and the system is broken. To many plea bargains, precedence, etc. I don't make deals with murders anymore...Jamie's character finally got it in the end. I know Clyde was villain in this, but he had very good points. As father I can understand his angry at the system.
This is what happens when a lawyer is not doing their job, they just want to close the case, they should experience to understand what the victim’s situation.
And if/when the DA fails and more killers go free because the evidence is not damning enough? The only evidence they had is Shelton's eyewitness testimony. The DNA evidence was inadmissible, so they could not present it in court. And a paralegal fresh out of class could rip Shelton to tatters on the witness stand. As soon as he admits he blacked out, they just bring in a doctor to say "Yes, memory can be unreliable in a case where you are beaten so bad that you black out." In a perfect world, Ames takes the deal and sends Darby to death row and Ames takes the lesser rap, but in a world where the prosecution refuses to offer deals to killers, when there's no plea deals or plea bargains for lesser sentences to incentivize them making the legal process faster, the courts become so quagmired and bogged down in process that nothing ever gets resolved. But, for whatever reason, Ames did not take the deal and Darby did, and their case against them was shaky *at best*. Dollars to donuts, they take Darby and Ames to trial, they both walk due to insufficient evidence and, despite his later protests to the contrary that he didn't care about revenge, Shelton finds and kills them for revenge. I don't see how anyone sees this movie and agrees with anything Shelton does after killing Darby. Sending the video to the family, killing the lawyer, the judge, his cellmate(no idea what he's in for so he may or may not have deserved it, but the distressing part is whether or not he deserved to die didn't matter to Shelton, he planned to kill his cellmate whoever they were, even if it was just tax evasion or a minor drug charge), bombing all those ADA's/AUSA's and then randomly gunning people down at a fucking funeral? Gerard Butler is a phenomenal actor and his entire crusade is carried by the fact that he oozes conviction and charisma, even though his cause is born from grief-induced madness. But he SOUNDS compelling, he acts like a man possessed with terrible purpose, so people blindly believe in his cause even when his methods are horrifying and that cause loses all coherence if you think about it for thirty seconds.
And who decides when the system has failed? Half of the mass shooters in America can argue that the system failed them... You're not seriously defending their right to shoot up schools and take innocent lives in general?
His vengeance ended when Darby was dead. The defense lawyer is where he lost me. I can understand his rage may have extended to him in some capacity, but he was completely and utterly innocent in what happened to Clint's family.
3:35 If I remember correctly, he's a prosecutor and eventually became District Attorney after the death of the former one. For anyone wondering, the Duxiana bed that he requested in prison...even a Twin-sized mattress starts at just under $6,000 and the Queen is nearly $9,000 and the King is nearly $12,000.
Excellent movie! Garbage ending though!!! Jamie Foxx complained enough about the original ending so they changed it to the one you see now! Great reaction y’all! 👍😎 Also, Law Abiding Citizen 2 is in the works!
Sure, the ending was always a little disappointing. But Clyde didn't actually lose - he got what he wanted. He changed Nick's mind and attitude (and made Nick someone who has more influence on how that system works). So some 'reformation' of the system. :D
True. However the congress people are the power not Jamie’s Character so it doesn’t mean squat in the long run if he really did change. You have to cut the head of the snake to get actual results which is what Clyde was doing then Jamie was like Nooooo we can’t have that ending. If you think enough about it Evil still won at the end not Good which sucks! Love Clyde’s line “I’m going to bring the whole corrupt disease temple down on your head…it’s going to be Biblical.” Couldn’t have said it better. Appreciate your feedback by the way! 👍😎
the biggest plot twist of the movie: everything Clyde did was calculated/planned/intentional/with-a-purpose, "chester", so, the mysterious internet helper of that blond girl prosecutor-assistant of Nick's that got blown up, is Clyde himself, who else would have all of that property information of Clyde's that was hidden in the other country, other than Clyde himself? Clyde intentionally sent his own property information to Nick's blond female prosecutor-assistant via the online alias of "chester", to get himself caught of his crimes, as he too must receive the punishments for his crimes of all of the innocent ones that got killed as collateral damage, as he teaches/changes Nick into the prosecutor that all prosecutors are suppose to be like, as well as, giving Nick the power needed to do so, becoming the DA (district attorney) of the entire state, whatever state it is within the US, never payed attention to where they were, lol (as that old guy, that was Nick's "mentor", he was the DA of whatever the state that they were in, and so, when Clyde killed him, Nick got to become his replacement, as the new DA) -------------------- Nick commits the EXACT same "vigilante murder/justice/revenge" against Clyde, as Clyde did to Darby, Ames, and the other guilty members of Nick's team (but also some collateral damage to the more innocent ones too), when Nick put Clyde's bomb in his cell, intentional and knowingly and maliciously, of the consequences/results in so doing so, it does not matter that Clyde pressed the button, Nick still committed the EXACT same "vigilante murder/justice/revenge" against Clyde, as Clyde did to those guilty (and also less guilty/more-innocent) with the murder (and "R") of his wife and daughter, and the subsequent LACK of justice for them, by Nick's team -------------- ~ "Justice, there's no word more loved by the people, and it does have a nice ring to it... , but, without ever exercising your own strength, you seek the death of others, at the hands of someone else, well, the justice you refer to, smells pretty rotten to me, the stench of a blood bath..." Balalaika to Rock in Black Lagoon: th-cam.com/video/Joxbfm11WAc/w-d-xo.html
Nick failed Clyde. Plain & simple. The downside is that Clyde had some serious skills and resources to carry out his own version of justice and the justice system underestimated him. He wasn’t crazy, he just had nothing to lose.
The idea of the mattress and food in prison is to get the other inmates to hate him. Once he murders his cellmate, they can't put him in a different cell as the other inmates will want to hurt him as well. So Butler's character is doing his best to get place in solitary confinement cells.
It never occurred to them to put a camera in his cell because he was in solitary confinement in prison. In their opinion, he was contained. That is where the theory of an accomplice came from. Both of you were trying to figure out who it was, just like the authorities in the movie.
I love that you picked up on the fact that he has been working that job regularly lol. He had the schedule and alias....so when he shows up the people know him as the janitor lol.
The ending is literally a statement from the author that solidifies one statement "you cannot put justice in your own hands" EVEN with a twisted, malfunctioning, crooked law JUSTICE system we have . He may have won but he lost everything around him, and Clyde will be with his family.
"You think your wife and daughter would feel good about you killing in their name?" "My wife and daughter can't feel anything. They're dead." I fully condemn vigilantism. Fun Fact: In real life, Gerard Butler studied law and was close to being a lawyer before becoming an actor. Cameos Cameos Fact: In the scene where the Mayor (Viola Davis) is swearing in Nick (Jamie Foxx) as the new District Attorney, the man holding the bible is Michael A. Nutter, the actual mayor of Philadelphia at the time of filming. The detective who hands Garza the evidence bag after the execution scene is director F. Gary Gray. MPAA Hacks Fact: Gerard Butler stated in an interview that a scene where a character is murdered by being repeatedly stabbed with a steak bone was so gory that the MPAA gave the film's initial cut an NC-17 rating solely on that basis. When an edited version with much less blood (though still graphically violent) was submitted, the film was immediately granted an R rating. Casting Notes Fact: While Gerard Butler was originally signed and announced to play the role of Nick Rice, there are different stories about how Jamie Foxx took on that role and Butler was re-cast as Cylde Shelton. In one version, Foxx called the producers and asked if Butler would like to play Clyde Shelton instead, as he liked the role of Nick. When the producers approached Butler about playing Clyde, he thought about it for a second and enthusiastically approved. However, Butler also said in an interview that HE suggested the role switch between himself and Foxx via his role as a producer on the film. Butler also said that he initially regretted that this idea was implemented by the other producers, but added that the entire process worked out well for the project.
Butler character should have been released...the systems failed him and his family.... this was a great movie... terrible ending... screwed foxx character...
The only reason why he should have lived is if they planned on making a sequel.. he went past justice and became a bad guy by targeting innocent people.
@@K.dot9 Innocent? I don't know. Have prosecutors ever imprisoned someone who was innocent? Have judges sentenced innocent people to life without parole in the US prison system? Nobody is innocent. Not one.
Such a great movie however I hate the fact that Jamie Foxx's character lived. The whole point of the movie was to show him that he fcked up but yet at the end, he personally just goes on with his life, with that same shitty attitude, even though a lot of his colleagues were murdered, when he should have died in that cell too.
I didn't know you guys also had a movie channel, You should pin the top comment on every video to advertise the other channel! Also she was on top of everything with her guessing about the system, and wanted to move to solitary nice job :D
Love this film but one thing that didn't make sense about it was the ending how the hell they got back to the Cell before Clyde? I don't have problem with Clyde dying like some people do because he did deserve to die he started killing innocent people to prove a point. but they should have done it in a different way.
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Now the really scary version, the U.S. military and intelligence groups have many people just like Clyde. You could be standing right next to one of them and you would never know.
This movie was NOT ruined by the ending AT ALL!!! (People in the comments don’t know what they’re talking about.) Even though he died, he died thinking of his sweet daughter. And he really didn’t have anything to live for anyway. GREAT MOVIE FROM START TO FINISH!! End of discussion.
I agree. It didn’t ruin the movie for me. Both sides won and loss. Clyde got his revenge on the men who took his family from him while simultaneously teaching Nick a valuable lesson about true justice. It’s not about padding numbers and being politically correct. It’s about doing the right thing even if that means taking a loss. Nick lost many friends and colleagues. Yes, he ultimately foiled Clyde’s plan in the end and some may see that as “winning” but is it? He will never be the same. He will spend more time with his family and most importantly he will no longer make deals with murderers. I would have liked to see an alternate ending but I’m mostly fine with the ending we got 🤷♂️
Nah the ending was crap, and sent the same ol tired message...the justice system is broken and fails the innocent every day, while it protects criminal scum like darby.
What I love the Clyde says is when Jamie's character says, "Then Darby and Ames would have gone free." Clyde literally says, "But at least you would have tried. I could live with that." The fact that the DA didn't try is the main point. Clyde wanted the system to truly punish criminals and the system is broken. To many plea bargains, precedence, etc. I don't make deals with murders anymore...Jamie's character finally got it in the end. I know Clyde was villain in this, but he had very good points. As father I can understand his angry at the system.
This is what happens when a lawyer is not doing their job, they just want to close the case, they should experience to understand what the victim’s situation.
And if/when the DA fails and more killers go free because the evidence is not damning enough?
The only evidence they had is Shelton's eyewitness testimony. The DNA evidence was inadmissible, so they could not present it in court.
And a paralegal fresh out of class could rip Shelton to tatters on the witness stand. As soon as he admits he blacked out, they just bring in a doctor to say "Yes, memory can be unreliable in a case where you are beaten so bad that you black out."
In a perfect world, Ames takes the deal and sends Darby to death row and Ames takes the lesser rap, but in a world where the prosecution refuses to offer deals to killers, when there's no plea deals or plea bargains for lesser sentences to incentivize them making the legal process faster, the courts become so quagmired and bogged down in process that nothing ever gets resolved.
But, for whatever reason, Ames did not take the deal and Darby did, and their case against them was shaky *at best*.
Dollars to donuts, they take Darby and Ames to trial, they both walk due to insufficient evidence and, despite his later protests to the contrary that he didn't care about revenge, Shelton finds and kills them for revenge.
I don't see how anyone sees this movie and agrees with anything Shelton does after killing Darby. Sending the video to the family, killing the lawyer, the judge, his cellmate(no idea what he's in for so he may or may not have deserved it, but the distressing part is whether or not he deserved to die didn't matter to Shelton, he planned to kill his cellmate whoever they were, even if it was just tax evasion or a minor drug charge), bombing all those ADA's/AUSA's and then randomly gunning people down at a fucking funeral?
Gerard Butler is a phenomenal actor and his entire crusade is carried by the fact that he oozes conviction and charisma, even though his cause is born from grief-induced madness. But he SOUNDS compelling, he acts like a man possessed with terrible purpose, so people blindly believe in his cause even when his methods are horrifying and that cause loses all coherence if you think about it for thirty seconds.
Awesome movie except for the ending Clyde should have won.
Couldn’t Agree More!!! 👍😎
He did I'll explain it you ask me how
@@flash980there was a cut version of the ending where he won, I think it was the uncut version on the dvd I believe
true
Jamie foxx threatens to leave the cast if his character didn’t win, his fault tbh shoulda been Clyde, coulda just had him escape and be it
Cameras in Cells have a Magical way of not working here in the U.S. haven't you heard?
I 100% agree with you. Vengeance is justified when the system fails you
And who decides when the system has failed? Half of the mass shooters in America can argue that the system failed them... You're not seriously defending their right to shoot up schools and take innocent lives in general?
His vengeance ended when Darby was dead.
The defense lawyer is where he lost me. I can understand his rage may have extended to him in some capacity, but he was completely and utterly innocent in what happened to Clint's family.
3:35 If I remember correctly, he's a prosecutor and eventually became District Attorney after the death of the former one.
For anyone wondering, the Duxiana bed that he requested in prison...even a Twin-sized mattress starts at just under $6,000 and the Queen is nearly $9,000 and the King is nearly $12,000.
Excellent movie! Garbage ending though!!! Jamie Foxx complained enough about the original ending so they changed it to the one you see now! Great reaction y’all! 👍😎
Also, Law Abiding Citizen 2 is in the works!
Sure, the ending was always a little disappointing. But Clyde didn't actually lose - he got what he wanted. He changed Nick's mind and attitude (and made Nick someone who has more influence on how that system works). So some 'reformation' of the system. :D
True. However the congress people are the power not Jamie’s Character so it doesn’t mean squat in the long run if he really did change. You have to cut the head of the snake to get actual results which is what Clyde was doing then Jamie was like Nooooo we can’t have that ending. If you think enough about it Evil still won at the end not Good which sucks! Love Clyde’s line “I’m going to bring the whole corrupt disease temple down on your head…it’s going to be Biblical.” Couldn’t have said it better. Appreciate your feedback by the way! 👍😎
That’s not true. It was debunked.
why do people think the ending is bad i never understood that
@@ViciousJangowhy do people insist on telling this lie
the biggest plot twist of the movie:
everything Clyde did was calculated/planned/intentional/with-a-purpose, "chester", so, the mysterious internet helper of that blond girl prosecutor-assistant of Nick's that got blown up, is Clyde himself, who else would have all of that property information of Clyde's that was hidden in the other country, other than Clyde himself? Clyde intentionally sent his own property information to Nick's blond female prosecutor-assistant via the online alias of "chester", to get himself caught of his crimes, as he too must receive the punishments for his crimes of all of the innocent ones that got killed as collateral damage, as he teaches/changes Nick into the prosecutor that all prosecutors are suppose to be like, as well as, giving Nick the power needed to do so, becoming the DA (district attorney) of the entire state, whatever state it is within the US, never payed attention to where they were, lol (as that old guy, that was Nick's "mentor", he was the DA of whatever the state that they were in, and so, when Clyde killed him, Nick got to become his replacement, as the new DA)
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Nick commits the EXACT same "vigilante murder/justice/revenge" against Clyde, as Clyde did to Darby, Ames, and the other guilty members of Nick's team (but also some collateral damage to the more innocent ones too), when Nick put Clyde's bomb in his cell, intentional and knowingly and maliciously, of the consequences/results in so doing so, it does not matter that Clyde pressed the button, Nick still committed the EXACT same "vigilante murder/justice/revenge" against Clyde, as Clyde did to those guilty (and also less guilty/more-innocent) with the murder (and "R") of his wife and daughter, and the subsequent LACK of justice for them, by Nick's team
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~ "Justice, there's no word more loved by the people, and it does have a nice ring to it... , but, without ever exercising your own strength, you seek the death of others, at the hands of someone else, well, the justice you refer to, smells pretty rotten to me, the stench of a blood bath..."
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Nick failed Clyde. Plain & simple. The downside is that Clyde had some serious skills and resources to carry out his own version of justice and the justice system underestimated him. He wasn’t crazy, he just had nothing to lose.
You like revenge? The Counte of Monte Cristo
The idea of the mattress and food in prison is to get the other inmates to hate him. Once he murders his cellmate, they can't put him in a different cell as the other inmates will want to hurt him as well. So Butler's character is doing his best to get place in solitary confinement cells.
He was the hero that we need but don't deserve.
It never occurred to them to put a camera in his cell because he was in solitary confinement in prison. In their opinion, he was contained. That is where the theory of an accomplice came from. Both of you were trying to figure out who it was, just like the authorities in the movie.
Clyde would have fixed the camera if there was one in the cell.
I love that you picked up on the fact that he has been working that job regularly lol. He had the schedule and alias....so when he shows up the people know him as the janitor lol.
It’s hard to feel sorry for lawyers.
Lets just hope Nick wearing the self-choking kevlar necktie 😂
That would have been perfect ending.
The ending is literally a statement from the author that solidifies one statement "you cannot put justice in your own hands" EVEN with a twisted, malfunctioning, crooked law JUSTICE system we have . He may have won but he lost everything around him, and Clyde will be with his family.
"You think your wife and daughter would feel good about you killing in their name?"
"My wife and daughter can't feel anything. They're dead."
I fully condemn vigilantism.
Fun Fact: In real life, Gerard Butler studied law and was close to being a lawyer before becoming an actor.
Cameos Cameos Fact: In the scene where the Mayor (Viola Davis) is swearing in Nick (Jamie Foxx) as the new District Attorney, the man holding the bible is Michael A. Nutter, the actual mayor of Philadelphia at the time of filming. The detective who hands Garza the evidence bag after the execution scene is director F. Gary Gray.
MPAA Hacks Fact: Gerard Butler stated in an interview that a scene where a character is murdered by being repeatedly stabbed with a steak bone was so gory that the MPAA gave the film's initial cut an NC-17 rating solely on that basis. When an edited version with much less blood (though still graphically violent) was submitted, the film was immediately granted an R rating.
Casting Notes Fact: While Gerard Butler was originally signed and announced to play the role of Nick Rice, there are different stories about how Jamie Foxx took on that role and Butler was re-cast as Cylde Shelton. In one version, Foxx called the producers and asked if Butler would like to play Clyde Shelton instead, as he liked the role of Nick. When the producers approached Butler about playing Clyde, he thought about it for a second and enthusiastically approved. However, Butler also said in an interview that HE suggested the role switch between himself and Foxx via his role as a producer on the film. Butler also said that he initially regretted that this idea was implemented by the other producers, but added that the entire process worked out well for the project.
Butler character should have been released...the systems failed him and his family.... this was a great movie... terrible ending... screwed foxx character...
Bruh he killed the entire DA's office and half of them was not there when Darby went to court. Being released is not it lol.
3:39 This was originally going to be directed by Frank Darabont, the director of The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile.
They ruined this movie with the ending.
The only reason why he should have lived is if they planned on making a sequel.. he went past justice and became a bad guy by targeting innocent people.
@@K.dot9 Innocent? I don't know. Have prosecutors ever imprisoned someone who was innocent? Have judges sentenced innocent people to life without parole in the US prison system? Nobody is innocent. Not one.
@@K.dot9 I wouldn't call the people he murdered "innocent"
@@davidhutchinson5233prosecutors don’t imprison anyone learn how the justice system works lol wtf
Yes cause youre so smart wtf lol@Jiff321
Such a great movie however I hate the fact that Jamie Foxx's character lived. The whole point of the movie was to show him that he fcked up but yet at the end, he personally just goes on with his life, with that same shitty attitude, even though a lot of his colleagues were murdered, when he should have died in that cell too.
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I'll never forget seeing this in theatres.
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One of my favorite films great reaction guys 🤙🤙
Nick is the District Attorney of Philadelphia.
Great movie! Nice reaction. :)
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Also she was on top of everything with her guessing about the system, and wanted to move to solitary nice job :D
She knew it was gerald butler as the cop in the car well before you. Quicker vision
Yep, she recognizes faces much better. I think girls in general do it better than men
Yoo that red tiger sweatshirt is sick did you get it online bro?
Loved the ending
Hated that Clyde died in the end. The only part I didn't like
at the beginning i was on Clydes side, but when he involved innocents it was over with sympathy
Love this film but one thing that didn't make sense about it was the ending how the hell they got back to the Cell before Clyde?
I don't have problem with Clyde dying like some people do because he did deserve to die he started killing innocent people to prove a point. but they should have done it in a different way.
They are still murders them selves at the end, because Clyde wasn’t the only prisoner in solitary so all them other died as well in the explosion 🤯
Tonight we dine in cell!
“Remember this day boys, for today is the day you DIE” -Meet the Spartans
Before you embark on a journey of revenge,dig two graves-Confucius
Revenge is delicious whenever served and Confucius' pithy words mean nothing.
8:22 🙏🏾 Amen
Revenge is a dish best served cold as they say.
Great reaction to an interesting movie 🤔
Hostel movie is great as well guys ! 👍
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Revenge is best SERVED Cold
Awesome reaction/ can you please watch a movie called ANY GIVEN SUNDAY.
I didn't like the ending, it was such a cop-out and forgettable.
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Now murder is trolling?
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Excellent movie!!! As a brother it was very emotional! Highly recommend! 👍😎
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Great movie terrible ending
Great movie, lousy ending.
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u can't put a camera in someones cell. that would be like putting a camera in a bathroom. yes u my be able to see crimes but u violate privacy issues
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Now the really scary version, the U.S. military and intelligence groups have many people just like Clyde. You could be standing right next to one of them and you would never know.
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This movie was NOT ruined by the ending AT ALL!!! (People in the comments don’t know what they’re talking about.) Even though he died, he died thinking of his sweet daughter. And he really didn’t have anything to live for anyway. GREAT MOVIE FROM START TO FINISH!! End of discussion.
Nah... The ending was shite.
Saying 'End of discussion' doesn't actually end a discussion.
I do wonder what the sequel will be like.
I agree. It didn’t ruin the movie for me. Both sides won and loss. Clyde got his revenge on the men who took his family from him while simultaneously teaching Nick a valuable lesson about true justice. It’s not about padding numbers and being politically correct. It’s about doing the right thing even if that means taking a loss. Nick lost many friends and colleagues. Yes, he ultimately foiled Clyde’s plan in the end and some may see that as “winning” but is it? He will never be the same. He will spend more time with his family and most importantly he will no longer make deals with murderers. I would have liked to see an alternate ending but I’m mostly fine with the ending we got 🤷♂️
Nah the ending was crap, and sent the same ol tired message...the justice system is broken and fails the innocent every day, while it protects criminal scum like darby.
I guess I'm weird but this Movie is one of the worst movies I've ever had the Misfortune of watching