BUSTING 5 BACKPACKING MYTHS with Tips to Maximize Comfort
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Sea to Summit Ether Light XT Pad: geni.us/EtherLightXT
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Re: PackWizard Very cool - I was on the verge of creating my own pack wizard app to compete with PackFire. Looks like somebody beat me to it.
Only nit: You can't import from PackFire, only Lighter Pack. IMO, PackFire > LIghter Pack.
This video covers the massively overlooked area of comfort, we are always told weight is most important, wrong, a good nights sleep and being comfortable around camp are what makes a trip memorable. If you do not enjoy the hike when setting up camp then you're less likely to do it again. I found this with warmth on winter hikes, I'm happier carrying a little more knowing that I'll be warm at night.
People say use spare clothes as a pillow but what spare clothes? At best in the beginning of the trip I might have underwear and socks plus a fleece or down jacket and that is not enough for a pillow. Towards the end of the trip the socks and underwear will be used and using dirty ones seems horrible. Plus if the night is colder I might want to sleep in the fleece or down jacket and then I have no pillow. So if you bring so many spare clothes to make a decent pillow you might leave those at home and bring a pillow instead. In my opinion anyway.
How your still under 100K subs is beyond me you have some of the best backpacking content on TH-cam I think
I’d think that if you have enough extra clothes to make a pillow, you’re probably a) carrying too many clothes, and b) carrying more than you would if you’d just brought a pillow.
That little 5 second pause to allow for finishing the actual video and being able to still click the imbedded video link is genius. Thank you for this, J Money Gangster. It's perfect. Hike on, brother.
If you want to increase the height of the pillow, use the clothes in the stuff sack underneath it. I am a side sleeper, use the Hikenture pillow that I absolutely love, and usually just fold up my fleece and put it between the pillow and the pad. Get the height I need with the comfort of the pillow I want.
BTW I don't take a chair but I do like to take a book (more recreation than comfort I know). Last guy who told me I was carrying too much weight with my 140g book had three cans of beer in his bag for that one night - and simply didn't get the irony lol.
Well beer consumption comes with all manner of denial.😅 My brother is getting ready for his reunion and has been working out. He is looking stronger but is ready to quit because it's not working as well on his gut. I wish I could say there's a reason they call four or five beers a night a beer gut but the denial runs too deep. Alas
@@janefreeman995I live in England where 3 beers a night is entry level national sport. We're a beer drinking nation end of story. I personally don't drink that much at all but am not averse to having a pint with some mates - that's totally different to lugging an extra kilo+ up a mountain and then mocking the guy who has a 140g book 🤣🤣
I use the Kindle reader on my phone for reading, I figure I’m carrying it anyway. It’s waterproof in its case so getting wet won’t ruin it, but far less comfortable than an actual book when sitting on the couch.
Yeh, but he can mark beer as consumable in his lighterpack, so it doesn’t count.
@@seankelleher4222 and I can use my book to light a fire or as toilet paper.... so it doesn't count either then.
Nice video. Totally agree about the pillow. I'd ditch the chair, though!
REI chair is usually on sale, I got it for $50. I carried it on the PCT and everyone scoffed but it's way worth it.
I love your style bro
I now bring a chair because camping in Scotland means NOT sitting down on the floor where its soaking wet and covered in ticks
I bring a small inflatable pillow for height, and a little fluffy pillow for comfort. As a side sleeper it makes the world of difference.
Slippers are win. Nobody wants to put on and dress a full set of boots just to get out of their tent and grab something. Especially if you have sore, swollen feet, you dont need the whole deal of yanking on your damp boots just to walk five metres to pick something up outside your tent.
I would also add that an umbrella is also a primo tool to take with you.
People laugh. People will mock you. But damn, when a shower comes and you just pop up the umbrella whilst staying cool, they all start to question their choices.
I really like your attitude mate.
Justin… bro, this might be the best quick and dirty get it n done video. Bro, this was great! ❤
I have a little 3-legged folding stool that clips to the shoulder harness of my camera caddy. I can carry that thing all day and not notice it. And it's COMFORTABLE.
You really get to the point quickly. Thanks.
That new chair looks tempting! Time to hold off even longer getting a lighter one. I've been using an Amazon knockoff heavier chair that works great and just no reason to spend $$ just because of the weight.
same here i have one I found it only weighs 600 grams came with the material base and is a clone of like the Helinox ones and cost me a fifth of the price I bought it from the Aldi super market
Out here in SE Asia we get heavy rains from late April to early October, day temp hovering at 30°C or above, & the humidity steadily over 80%, we pray for a dry cool night. 25°C is all the comfort we need. But that's work related camp most of the time, at least in my case. November to March is when we go for leisure camping.
I carry two pillows and do not consider it a luxury item.
Funny thing I have tried a bunch too. The trek is my go to head pillow and the exped is my body pillow to help keep my arm from going to sleep.
Also, 100% agree on the rei pad. My fav pad from a comfort to weight pov.
One of the best backpacking videos I have seen. Why - I am always uncomfortable at camp namely due to neck and back issues. This video has at least given me some alternative options to my current set up. Thank you. Great work.
A pillow makes ALLLLL the difference in my sleep!! I grew up stuffing clothes into a sack, and I will never do it again!
The Nemo chair looks really cool! I love having adjustable options, especially on UL items. I know you also have the TAR Trekker chair, and I love mine! I got to try the Get Out Gear Trek Chair this summer, and I LOVE the high back on it. I’m not sure if I can go back to a low back!
I bring a chair kit from Thermarest or Exped on my hikes, turns my sleeping pad into a chair (folded) or lounger (non-folded). I can put it on my 3mm EVA sit pad to use it outside of the tent but the BEST thing is that I can use it inside my tent when cooking breakfast in the vestibule etc (I camp among lots of mosquitoes haha, so I usually hang in the tent at night too)
I agree if you're not comfortable you're not having fun. If you're not having fun why do it. I started backpacking in 1979 and we had few options in equipment. Today if you are suffering while hiking it's your fault. Cheers
So glad I took your advice several months ago and bought the Helix during a big sale. I am definitely sleeping better now! The one thing I don't like is that it bottoms out when I sit up. But that's a fair trade for a decent night's sleep!
I can only agree finding a good comfy pillow and pad, makes such a difference to rest and recovery after some long hard days in the wilderness. A bad pillow has really ruined my night's sleep, resulting in fewer hours and left me with neck pain the next day. A pad that is too firm has done just the same, so those dimples spreading pressure out really help, though it is personal preference. Camp sandals suck and only really make sense if you're doing water crossings, otherwise they're cold and cut your feet fast. A chair is amazing....but it's on the luxury list due to the weight penalty. For those like me with hip issues since birth, it's become a must, but even a Helinox at 600g is a price to pay + $$$. I can't imagine anyone making fun of Justin for his gear choices though! This guy knows his stuff!!!
For the kind of backpacking I do, I love to have a chair, my pillow, and a comfortable sleeping pad. I've also started taking the small air pump with me too, to avoid having to manually inflate my sleeping pad. I only get to backpack a few times a year and I tend not to spend all day on trail but a decent amount of time in camp. Being comfortable makes the overall experience more fun! Which is why I'm out there! I've been considering fast packing for years but I'm not there yet with my running endurance -- for that, I will consider going lighter with my gear! I love seeing other people's packs and fully respect that other folks have different needs, interests, comfort levels, and budgets than mine! I recently saw a group on trail that had managed to pull off an overnight at a lake with a huge inflatable raft by strapping car camping gear to regular backpacks and physically carrying stuff in their hands! Whatever gets you on trail!!!
The MEC slippers are awesome for camping, I find them so much more comfortable than sandals, and to me are an underappreciated gem for camp comfort.
I can’t imagine anything more comfortable than a Big Agnes Rapide SL wide with a Them-a-Rest Compressible Pillow and a quilt. Unless Becker is on to something with that second pillow… Might have to get a second pillow 😔
I really like the Big Agnes Mica Basin camp chair. It weighs a bit more than the Helinox, but it's a little bigger and doesn't pinch my hips as much. Also, you set it up but threading one pole through the other; it doesn't have bulky joint hubs. So it packs a little easier than similar chairs.
Always a great day when a Justin is uploaded. Also love the Packwizard helped me determine my weight and focus on necessary tweaks
Nice pillow hack w the sit pad!
Great guidance, I agree with all your points. My Nemo Tensor failed after three uses despite ground sheet and being extra careful. Very comfortable but really expensive and poor quality. I've seen a lot of other comments about Tensor's failing - I would avoid. I'm going to look out a Rei Helix thanks.
With shoes, Im so happy with the Altra Lone Peak 7. It's the zero drop and wide box toes that work
Yet another brisk, thorough, honest set of tips. Well done.
Oh man, that new Nemo chair looks amazing!
Cold weather running 2 pads foam then semirigid inflate toasty and comfortable
I've been following for a while...invaluable, honest information as usual.
8:12 who was that awesome guy in the back?
I see you keep recommending the S2S Ether XT. I like everything about that sleeping pad, but have they fixed the welds leaking on it? Read to many reviews where the pad gets multiple leaks where the air coil is welded to the pad top or bottom. Just wondering if you have run into this problem? Very much do not like waking up in the middle of the night to a deflated pad! Love your videos, keep them coming! Thanks
Storage bags! Those bags that your sleeping bag, tent, air mattress, chair, tools and everything else comes in? BAG 'EM! They're dead weight, you don't need. I just stuff my sleeping bag into the bottom compartment and my tent inside, along with whatever else came in a nylon bag into my pack. I don't waste time stuffing it all twice and unless you're car-camping and want it organized, you're never gonna wish you had them. For what? Fair question. Also, cut the excess length off your straps and melt the ends with a lighter, so they don't fray apart. Once you've set your lengths, you really don't need that extra 12-20" of strap. It just hangs there, gets in the way and you're carrying it for no valid reason. Great video, keep up the good work. 👍
i'm pretty UL, under 8lbs typically, and i would never leave my trekology pillow at home. bought it years ago on your recommendation, and have turned so many people onto it since then. some things are just worth the weight.
Never thought I'd be so excited for a chair, but I am.😂
I would love to be able to walk into the store and try on shoes to get the best fit, but no one stocks 14s anymore. So I just order 2 pairs online from REI, keep the one I want, and return the other in store.
Sleeping pad is a must.
It was revolution to be able to sleep normally without pain and fall a sleep without a problem.
They are very small and light weight and take maybe additional several minutes.
I got exactly dimple pattern that spreads pressure evenly so you comfy, but not scared to blew up it.
I hope that Nemo chair is light! Nemo makes great gear, but it does tend to be both heavy and pricey. My current backpacking chair (which will hopefully get a lot of use soon!) is a Get Out Gear chair... so Nemo's will need to be quite a bit lighter to entice me on board :)
I dont get the padstrap love, but my sleeping bag liners always have a hood. I secure my pillow in the hood so I can move my pillow at the angles I like as I roll, and it can't run away.
I'm surprised you haven't reviewed the Trekology UL80 yet and the other stuff they have.
What is the weight of the Nemo moonlight elite with and without the groundsheet?
Does a rectangular sleeping pad vs mummy shaped make much difference in terms of comfort?
What are your thoughts about using two stacked air pads for side sleepers? I have the Nemo tensor but it feels like sleeping on a rock for me, and deflating it enough to be comfortable means my hip hits the ground even with the Nemo switchback foam pad underneath. I bought the sleeingo pad on Amazon so I can try a double air pad system and I’m hoping it will work or else I may need to switch back to my hammock system (but I prefer being in a tent).
I have the flexlite but don’t like using it anymore because the feet always sink into the ground. Would love the Nemo chair with the ground cloth, or for REI to make a groundcloth!
I use the Big Agnes Rapide SL wide pad. I'm about 90kg and don't go anywhere near bottoming out on it, even on my side. It's awesome
The best chanell ...
great vids brotha. would love to see a review of the Big Agnes Rapide SL. have you tested one? thoughts? thx.
There is an updated version coming out in 2024. I should be getting my hands on it to test out shortly!
I love your videos and reviews. Any chance you have an affiliate link for GGG that I can use to give you a little kick back on my coming order?
Thanks! Appreciate it! Here is a link: geni.us/GarageGrownGear
Any thoughts anyone on bringing a second pair of shoes? Last week I saw some 18 year olds who all had an extra pair of shoes dangling under their backpacks and I think that's just about the worst way of carrying around an extra pair. However, I can't see myself putting them inside the backpack either. It would be nice though to have an extra pair when the main pair has become wet.
Justin have you ever heard of the brand Skinners? I love them as camp shoes. They are socks with a little layer of gravel on the sole so they also protect against broken glass. The upper does let through water. But they pack very small and are super comfortable. You can add warmth by wearing socks in them.
They sound good. I made my own pair of lightweight roll-up flip flops
@@bob_the_bomb4508 that sounds awesome as well! How did you go about making them?
I personally use a gear doctor pillow which looks almost exactly like the trekology one
Hi Justin, love your videos. Might I suggest a camp chair alternative that is lighter and more comfortable? Coming in at 8 ounces is the Hummingbird single hammock. Would love a video or any feedback here. Only drawback is placement. But reading and relaxing are superior to a chair...
I like to go as light as possible, but I also take items such as this to be comfortable because I don't want a miserable backcountry experience.
You sure that Exped pillow is 25" wide? Can only find them 20.9" wide. Great reviews though, very helpful!
I wonder the eight limit on new Nemo chair.
Nemo chair seems to be everywhere now, from REI, LLBean and Moosejaw. Heavier than my Chair Zero so no go for me.
This version isn't for sale until 2024.
@@JustinOutdoors So is the new version difference just a lighter version of the currently available Nemo Moonlite? P.S. Great video! Really informative tips on sleeping pads!
@@JustinOutdoorsI look foreword to hearing more about it.
Well Justin.. I love your pillow videos! ❤️😊👍🏻
Any thoughts about:
Therm-A-Rest Air Head Lite?
Thanks for the Super Thanks!!!!!! I tried out the Air Head Lite and wasn't the biggest fan. I didn't find it supportive, hated the valve, and didn't like that it had no way to attach to the pad.
appreciate your honesty
I love packwizard its been so helpful
Hoka’s are great. Until the outsole falls off after 100 miles! Happened to me on 3 pairs in a row.
I bring my Trekology 2.0 pillow on every backpacking trip but it always ends up between my knees, and my clothes bag under my head
I will say with three blown discs the Nemo Fillow vs my Cocoon pillow is worth the extra weight. Also I’m a dude but the woman’s long Disco is nice with the extra 8oz of fill. Eno just needs to make a lighter version of the lounger chair and I’ll be set.
Hoka's are also dual-use as snow-shoes. Footprint is huge. Chairs and air-mats are way too heavy to carry more than a few miles.
@@dustyoldhat - I just did.
@@dustyoldhat - A) Jupiter carried no air-pad for years. B) Never had an air-pad that didn't leak within a week. And have had at least eight. Then one is carrying dead-weight, which is definitely too heavy. Smaller people can carry them if they like. This author says they are too finicky and too heavy. Try without to find you get used to it and your back will thank you.
Love the comfort of my setup, don't love the weight
Justin is adorable!
Thanks for these videos. However… would you consider adding CAD to your prices? I know these can fluctuate with the dollar, but as someone from your neck of the woods I think it adds a lot of context to prices. Also curious as to whether you don’t bother with MEC for lower cost items (as opposed to REI) because you don’t like their product or if you’re primarily looking to appeal to American viewers? I know their ventures into the UL territory are still pretty rudimentary. (Not doubting your canadianess of course, since you haven’t foresaken toque for “beanie”.)
I was just about to comment on wanting more MEC stuff too! It is a bit funny that a Canadian channel keeps only mentioning a store we don't have here and not one we do!
A beanie has a propellor on top LOL. And don’t get me going on the southerners who call it a “toboggan.” You wear a long wooden sled on your head? Toque/tuque (pronounced “tsook” in the heavily French-Canadian Maine city I grew up in) or, if you have to be different, a watch cap.
Only 15% of my audience is Canadian. I default to USD because it's probably the most widely understood currency for my overall audience.
Pretty great advice here must admit
Do you think people who can't carry quite as much on their back should use a duffel bag in addition to balance out the weight? What are your thoughts on that?
I don't find a chair appealing, but a self inflating mattress & pillow are worthy comforts.
Sorry. Im an older woman and the thought of adding a pound to my back may as well be a ton. Im usually just making my dinner and ready to crawl in and go to sleep at the end of the day. Im very happy to sit on natures trail furniture with a sit pad. Men, especially young men or and women can add that kind of weight and think nothing of it. Just my preference and i have hiked long distance thru hikes. However i have a high back chair for van camping but more likely to be hanging out. I do have a friend who has added the helionox chair to her traveling kit. She enjoys walks during the day and can sit and enjoy a park whereever.
@dustyoldhat 😊 True, not sorry ... .
I'm way to cheap for alot of this gear. Usually I just sleep on my backpack with my thermarest, but it's definitely not enough for snow shoeing.
Camp slippers… 🤔
How much does the chair weigh?
Um...just bring an extra tshirt....slide that over your pad then stuff your pillow in that...won't move at all.
@@dustyoldhat you definitely can put your hand underneath.
Allowed to disagree as adding over 4 to 5 pounds to the backpack is almost unbearable 😅
💝😇💖🌠💖❤️❣️⭐💗♥️
Embrace the suck😂
*me with size 15 feet shopping for good hiking shoes and camp sandals/slippers* 😢
Steal my chair??? Hilarious…
Step one, don't be an ultralight guy
Your dimples theory is flawed. They are all connected to the same air volume. So when you press down one dimple, all others will get harder and less springy. So it's just personal preference. I hated the large dimples on my Etherlight as they poke into my tummy.
I'm sorry. I can't help it. Losing control of my better... Manners? Think, just thy clothes. Layering of puffer, pants too? Ghost Whisperer, Mountain Hardware? Hollow fill Polyester? Not even cold or wet? I'm sorry. But... Did you make that yourself? Ultrex? Cordura? Etc.. Seattle Fabrics has all that. Merry Christmas ladies... Got your Man covered? Poncho? One piece snow boarding style! Remember... No Tent, Sleeping Bag... Ultra Light.
i never realised sitting on the floor was considered so uncomfortable. might be a cultural thing.
Buy more stuff and all your problems will be solved. I consume therefore I am. Yeah, right...
But the right stuff once.
You lost me at bring a chair. No real backpacker brings a chair, end of story. I guess if your doing a small loop with friends or doing small miles ending you day early I suppose lugging an extra pound works for some. I have actually only see one person carry a chair and I have down thousands of miles. The chairs must be a West Coast thing, I just never see anyone carrying them or using them. All these pads are what I would call super heavy. Some pack for the trail and others pack for camp, it’s all good.
Some people are so brainwashed by the gram-weenie cult that they’ll pass up on comfort to avoid carrying a pound they’d never notice on their back.
I guess I'm not a real backpacker 🤣
Mostly BS