in my opinion and experience of trying different tip sizes, 9mm is the perfect tip size. Any smaller you get unwanted throw. Any bigger and cueing over balls or off cushions gets a little trickier. In fact many pros and now now going for larger tips.
I know this is due to the cue and and other factors but I’ve notice with my 3 shaft cue, the lager shaft will throw the cue ball off more then my 8.75 one when using side
Tip size/width has nothing to do with how much spin you can impart on the cb. All that matters is how far off center the contact point is when the tip hits the ball, and how fast the cue is moving at contact. If you're getting more spin with a smaller tip, 7mm or whatever, it's simply because the tip is striking the cb lower. You probably aim it better or more accurately when striking the cb. But you could get the same action with a 14mm tip if the tip were to strike the cb in the same place as it does when you use a smaller tip.
I see where you're coming from, however if you can get lower and get more spin that's because the cue tip is, in relation to the size of the ball, able to hit the ball at that lower point whereas the larger tip isn't. Ergo, more spin can be applied with the smaller tip. Thanks for your comment though! :-)
The absolute most english ive seen applied to a cue ball was with a giant tip i wanna say larger than 14, but the old boy had shot pool with it over 40 years, ive always shot with a 13, recently bought a carbon shaft at 12 mm, i noticed right off i was putting way more english to the cue ball than i ever have with a 13, so much so if my stroke was minutely off the cueball went wild missed shot etc.therefore i do believe smaller tip more english can be obtained, but a lifetime of practicing english wirh the larger cue you can apply impressive english, its just easier to obtain with a smaller tip, so i kinda agree with your philosophy as well as his, to a point, even tho ive been at it over 40 years myself, not everyone wants to put an entire lifetime into obtaining something as such, many of the talented pool players ive met arent yet 40 years of age themselves, i really recommend like i do with firearms, use what you are comfortable and knowledgeable with
@@davidstrom597 @davidstrom597 Tip/shaft diameter makes zero difference on the amount of spin applied. It's all in where the tip contacts the cb. Here is the reason you started getting more english after changing to a smaller tip: When aiming away from center cb, we tend to judge the hit/aim on the cb through the center of the shaft/tip, but it's the edges of the tip that actually contact the cb, not the center (stay with me here, I know this obvious...lol). Anyway, when aiming a 12mm shaft to apply max english, the contact point on the cb is actually 0.5mm further away from center cb when compared to shooting the same shot with a 13mm shaft. That extra half millimeter creates more spin. If you were to switch to a 14mm shaft/tip, and aim for max english, the tip would hit the cb about 1mm closer to center when compared to using a 12mm tip. Eventually we figure out how far out to aim on the ball to get the desired english we want or need, regardless of tip size.
Hi thank you for the informative vids - Im new to pool will it then be better to start playing with a big tip and then gradualy go smaller as I progress in my games then? thnax
Well, in fairness I did find that particular cue in behind my ex missus tv cabinet after she moved out of her house. Never not one to look a gift horse in the mouth me...
I recently started playing English pool and I want to buy a cue but I don’t want to spend a lot of money. Also I don’t know where to buy from and what brand. Any suggestions?
This is literally, the first video. I’ve watched about pool and billiards since I retired from the game 25 years ago. For some reason, I got an itch to start playing again. So while looking trends in equipment, I saw this video. It’s kind of interesting to see that many good players are going to 12 mm tips. I started playing 12 mm tips when Timmy and Bill set me up with 12 mm tip when they built my first Joss way back in the 80’s. Unfortunately, that cue was lost an armed robbery outside of the bowling center where I had been playing one pocket for the previous 13 hours. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, they didn’t get any money from me because I had an off day. LMAO , but they still got my freaking cue and sucked.
Michael, is the term 'follow-through' poorly worded way of trying to describe the smooth acceleration of the cue from the apex of the back swing through to impact of the ball? I think (don't have the tools to measure) that regardless of what acceleration of the cue as soon as it impacts the ball the tip imparts that acceleration to the white and the cue infact does decelerate as the white moves away.
Follow through means the impact through the ball upon striking the cue ball. The further you push the cue through where the cue ball is the more spin you will impart upon the ball as you strike it.
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR That's actually a misconception. All that follow through really does is that it makes sure that you have a good contact when striking the cueball. If you don't follow through chances are that you decelerate before hitting the cueball.
Thanks, just what I was looking for. I also couldn't believe that the tip size justifies buying a cue for billiards if you already own a snooker cue. At least as an amateur like me, it's obviously not necessary. It may be that professionals will notice a difference. What a shame, these negative comments.
I think the difference comes out more on long pots, with smaller tip even lil bit of side will push the white more and make you miss. Hard to tell by close pots
Definitely for sure - this was a spin challenge to see how many revs could be gotten on the ball with each cue, and it was inconclusive mainly because of how well I delivered the stroke in each instance - and in fairness also I'm pretty good at screw shots...
4:45 this whole demonstration was anything but scientific and does not provide any data that allows for comparison. not only does every shot take another path, we can also not vouch for comparable power of the shot. once these variables are confined, data should be collected by repetition to remove outliers.
@pookievanderbilt6889 it's a 6x3 pool diner. I'm not going to recommend where I bought it from since the company were appalling, but you can buy these from places like home leisure direct amd most pool table companies. Like and subscribe! Thanks
Walk-in Billiard/Pool Parlars use the larger diameter Ques for Parlor furnished Ques stored in racks a longer the walls. Novice players usually just picks a Que from the wall rack and uses it to both “break” the racked balls and as a regular playing Que. The smaller diameter Que’s ( which I prefer) tips do not last long due to novice players using them to “break” the racked balls. Continually replacing Que tips becomes quite expensive for a Parlor Owner!
@@video4sissies somewhat insulting in fairness... Still, bearing in mind the bucket sized pockets of american 9 ball and the fact you can hit a ball halfway down a cushion and still pot it in the corner, it is doubtful that you appreciate the actual skill and precision involved in English 8 ball!
For conclusive results, try using very short strokes using just the tip before moving to full shaft strokes. For best results, gather feedback from a knowledgeable playing partner. Results may vary and dissapoint.
English 8ball pool players here in the uk play with tips as small as 6 to 6.5mm I play snooker with a 7.8mm tip and everybody sais its not possible to be a good player with a smaller tip! I made my highest break of 96 with a tip just under 8mm🙄its all down to how well you cue, how consistent your cue action is and how consistent you can keep striking the centre of the cueball to avoid whats called "throw" or "deflection" If you cue even 2mm off centre with a tip below 9.5mm its going to "throw" the cueball with transfers onto the object ball causing the player to miss the shot.
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR just gone back to a 7mm tip after spending almost two seasons with a 10mm tip. The amount of screw and side you can put on the cue ball with a smaller tip is insane. The only downside is if your not cueing dead centre with anything under 9.5 then your going to put unwanted side on a long shot and miss the pot. It's also possible to swerve the cueball by mistake on long shots too which can be a downside ofcourse. I made a few late 40's with the 7mm last night so I'm going to stick with it for the remainder of the season and see how I get on.👍🏼
Theres litererally zero difference between two tip diameters as long as theyre shaped to the same radius. They have the exact same contact size and thats ehay matters
I completely disagree with your conclusion that the size of the tip does not matter for draw. (and all english but you were demonstrating draw here). It's simple geometry that says the smaller the cue tip, the lower you can get on the cue ball, hence, the more spin you can create. There is just no way to get around that fact. Yes you took ball in hand, and hit each shot at about break speed, so yes you got cue ball action. But use less force and see what happens. In real world games a smaller tip will get lower on the cue ball and with less force generate more backspin. Larger tips you have to hit much harder to achieve the same results and that's fine for a demonstration but in a real game you should rarely to never have to hit the cue ball with that much force you will lose all control. Make the test using a real world (game) example, ie, about half (or less) the force you used for this demonstration. The smaller the tip, the lower it can get on the cue ball, the more spin it will create. (PS I've never even seen a 14 mm tip in the U.S. Everyone I know plays with from about a 11.5mm to 12.5 mm).
The cue ball does not know or care if it is spinning backward because of being struck by a broomstick or a needle. The cue ball responds with reverse rounds per minute caused by the speed of the cue stick.
@@dougrichards3649 LOL, OK, try that with a Kamui super soft tip on a low deflection shaft like an i3 shaft compared to a broomstick and see how that works for you... My main (and completely correct) argument is one of geometric physics. I'll explain it like this: If you hit middle ball the cue ball does not reverse rotate obviously, correct? If you hit half way between middle ball and table it reverse rotates a very small amount, correct? We all know the geometric physics of the lower you strike the cue ball, the more reverse rotation it will have. I think any and all agree on that. So, obviously, the thinner the shaft, the lower one can get on the cue ball. An 11mm i3 shaft can physically get a lower hit than say a 14 mm shaft. There is zero way to argue that fact. Therefore, all things being completely equal, ie, same type of shaft, same type of tip, simply getting lower on the cue ball will create more reverse spin. This is an inarguable point.
Simple fact I've noticed is that when I use the smaller tip in different games I get more revolutions on the ball, therefore more spin is imparted. This is my experience and thank you everyone for contributing to the debate! :-)
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR Yes you are correct. (As am I lol). This is what 100% of pool players understand, at least after they've played enough to gain some knowledge.
@@MikeM275 A 14mm will achieve more purchase than a 11 mm. Either striking a cue ball with tip 1mm above the cloth will scoop the ball. Go to 2mm, 3mm, 4mm … , I think the first to achieve a legal hit will be the tip with the best grip on the cue ball, speed of cue constant. Has a camera recorded any shaft height measurements? Is a level cue more or less efficient than one that is raised, a degree or few? I consider tip composition with its inherent qualities, driven by speed, to dictate the outcome, the performance of the cue ball.
The tip radius has lot to do with correct Cue Ball contact. Too small of a Radius, can create more throw & Squirt. The object ball & cue ball impact each other, each with a 1.125" Radius, in American Pool..., that doesn't cause Throw or Squirt, when the Cue Ball is rolling, but when spin is added, induced spin will alter the object ball's path, after impact......
02:28 What did you use to shape those tips? A steak knife?
Some of them have never been retipped. I've got used to the 7mm now so happy with it!
in my opinion and experience of trying different tip sizes, 9mm is the perfect tip size. Any smaller you get unwanted throw. Any bigger and cueing over balls or off cushions gets a little trickier.
In fact many pros and now now going for larger tips.
I know this is due to the cue and and other factors but I’ve notice with my 3 shaft cue, the lager shaft will throw the cue ball off more then my 8.75 one when using side
I think because ironically enough with the larger tip you actually make a little less contact with the ball when applying side!
Tip size/width has nothing to do with how much spin you can impart on the cb. All that matters is how far off center the contact point is when the tip hits the ball, and how fast the cue is moving at contact.
If you're getting more spin with a smaller tip, 7mm or whatever, it's simply because the tip is striking the cb lower. You probably aim it better or more accurately when striking the cb. But you could get the same action with a 14mm tip if the tip were to strike the cb in the same place as it does when you use a smaller tip.
I see where you're coming from, however if you can get lower and get more spin that's because the cue tip is, in relation to the size of the ball, able to hit the ball at that lower point whereas the larger tip isn't. Ergo, more spin can be applied with the smaller tip. Thanks for your comment though! :-)
The absolute most english ive seen applied to a cue ball was with a giant tip i wanna say larger than 14, but the old boy had shot pool with it over 40 years, ive always shot with a 13, recently bought a carbon shaft at 12 mm, i noticed right off i was putting way more english to the cue ball than i ever have with a 13, so much so if my stroke was minutely off the cueball went wild missed shot etc.therefore i do believe smaller tip more english can be obtained, but a lifetime of practicing english wirh the larger cue you can apply impressive english, its just easier to obtain with a smaller tip, so i kinda agree with your philosophy as well as his, to a point, even tho ive been at it over 40 years myself, not everyone wants to put an entire lifetime into obtaining something as such, many of the talented pool players ive met arent yet 40 years of age themselves, i really recommend like i do with firearms, use what you are comfortable and knowledgeable with
@@davidstrom597 @davidstrom597 Tip/shaft diameter makes zero difference on the amount of spin applied. It's all in where the tip contacts the cb.
Here is the reason you started getting more english after changing to a smaller tip:
When aiming away from center cb, we tend to judge the hit/aim on the cb through the center of the shaft/tip, but it's the edges of the tip that actually contact the cb, not the center (stay with me here, I know this obvious...lol). Anyway, when aiming a 12mm shaft to apply max english, the contact point on the cb is actually 0.5mm further away from center cb when compared to shooting the same shot with a 13mm shaft. That extra half millimeter creates more spin.
If you were to switch to a 14mm shaft/tip, and aim for max english, the tip would hit the cb about 1mm closer to center when compared to using a 12mm tip.
Eventually we figure out how far out to aim on the ball to get the desired english we want or need, regardless of tip size.
the difference would show much better on a snooker table probably
Hi thank you for the informative vids - Im new to pool will it then be better to start playing with a big tip and then gradualy go smaller as I progress in my games then? thnax
@@pieterherbst6954 go with what you're most comfortable with my good man!
14mm never heard of it before, 13mm was common until about 10 years ago now most cues are 12.75 or even in 11’s for pool.
Well, in fairness I did find that particular cue in behind my ex missus tv cabinet after she moved out of her house. Never not one to look a gift horse in the mouth me...
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR Yea I think long ago like 1930’s pool cues were bigger in 14mm but that’s huge for today.
I bought a Players jump/break cue last year with a 14mm tip. It’s also 28oz and makes quite a crack
maybe for american pool, english pool players would mostly use 8.5-9.5mm
You left your clothing hanging on the left 01:16 😂
I recently started playing English pool and I want to buy a cue but I don’t want to spend a lot of money. Also I don’t know where to buy from and what brand. Any suggestions?
This is literally, the first video. I’ve watched about pool and billiards since I retired from the game 25 years ago. For some reason, I got an itch to start playing again. So while looking trends in equipment, I saw this video. It’s kind of interesting to see that many good players are going to 12 mm tips.
I started playing 12 mm tips when Timmy and Bill set me up with 12 mm tip when they built my first Joss way back in the 80’s.
Unfortunately, that cue was lost an armed robbery outside of the bowling center where I had been playing one pocket for the previous 13 hours. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, they didn’t get any money from me because I had an off day. LMAO , but they still got my freaking cue and sucked.
Michael, is the term 'follow-through' poorly worded way of trying to describe the smooth acceleration of the cue from the apex of the back swing through to impact of the ball?
I think (don't have the tools to measure) that regardless of what acceleration of the cue as soon as it impacts the ball the tip imparts that acceleration to the white and the cue infact does decelerate as the white moves away.
Follow through means the impact through the ball upon striking the cue ball. The further you push the cue through where the cue ball is the more spin you will impart upon the ball as you strike it.
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR That's actually a misconception. All that follow through really does is that it makes sure that you have a good contact when striking the cueball.
If you don't follow through chances are that you decelerate before hitting the cueball.
Thanks, just what I was looking for.
I also couldn't believe that the tip size justifies buying a cue for billiards if you already own a snooker cue.
At least as an amateur like me, it's obviously not necessary. It may be that professionals will notice a difference.
What a shame, these negative comments.
I think the difference comes out more on long pots, with smaller tip even lil bit of side will push the white more and make you miss. Hard to tell by close pots
Definitely for sure - this was a spin challenge to see how many revs could be gotten on the ball with each cue, and it was inconclusive mainly because of how well I delivered the stroke in each instance - and in fairness also I'm pretty good at screw shots...
Then again it’s easier to hit dead center on the cue ball the smaller diameter the tip is.
@@davids11131113 all depends on how straight your cueing is!
4:45 this whole demonstration was anything but scientific and does not provide any data that allows for comparison. not only does every shot take another path, we can also not vouch for comparable power of the shot. once these variables are confined, data should be collected by repetition to remove outliers.
Thanks for your comments. Like and subscribe!
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR no
@@tigerchills2079 ok thanks Sheldon
What size, brand, and model is this pool table? I want one!!
@pookievanderbilt6889 it's a 6x3 pool diner. I'm not going to recommend where I bought it from since the company were appalling, but you can buy these from places like home leisure direct amd most pool table companies. Like and subscribe! Thanks
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR thank you so much!! And done and done my friend!
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR also how much was it roughly? Thanks if you respond
@@pookievanderbilt6889 including the benches and table top, about 3k
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR thanks my man!
I've used my 9.5mm snooker cue for the past 20y never had any issues and deep screw is do easy on pool table
Curious what the dimensions of that table are ... Seems smaller than a 7 foot american "bar box"
It barely looks even six foot that table.
This is a UK holiday Resort table for the children.
I noticed that your table is much smaller in comparison to tournament tables, is that a personal choice or you just want a table that fits your room
@@oussama8693 merely just because I couldn't fit a larger table! Thanks! Do like and subscribe 😀
Walk-in Billiard/Pool Parlars use the larger diameter Ques for Parlor furnished Ques stored in racks a longer the walls. Novice players usually just picks a Que from the wall rack and uses it to both “break” the racked balls and as a regular playing Que. The smaller diameter Que’s ( which I prefer) tips do not last long due to novice players using them to “break” the racked balls. Continually replacing Que tips becomes quite expensive for a Parlor Owner!
I imagine it could do! Perhaps they ought to mark up which are the cues that you use for breaking and which ones are for general play!
Never knew british 8 ball was so small and child sized. Reminds me of those little peg billiard boards.
@@video4sissies somewhat insulting in fairness... Still, bearing in mind the bucket sized pockets of american 9 ball and the fact you can hit a ball halfway down a cushion and still pot it in the corner, it is doubtful that you appreciate the actual skill and precision involved in English 8 ball!
break cue is 13.25 playing cue shafts are 13, 12.75,12.5 and 11.75 my snooker cue is 9. I'm in Canada.
Nice and cold out there at the moment. A good reason to stay in and play some pool!
8:12 - 8:15 i completely agree, told my gf that too but she didn’t believe me.. thanks for the video though
Low english ,high english, and the break results from the cue moving at the greatest speed , will give the most positive result.
For conclusive results, try using very short strokes using just the tip before moving to full shaft strokes. For best results, gather feedback from a knowledgeable playing partner. Results may vary and dissapoint.
svb would love to prove its not the size with corner to corner draw on 9ft
Always very much the technique I'd say!
Always very much the technique I would say!
English 8ball pool players here in the uk play with tips as small as 6 to 6.5mm
I play snooker with a 7.8mm tip and everybody sais its not possible to be a good player with a smaller tip! I made my highest break of 96 with a tip just under 8mm🙄its all down to how well you cue, how consistent your cue action is and how consistent you can keep striking the centre of the cueball to avoid whats called "throw" or "deflection"
If you cue even 2mm off centre with a tip below 9.5mm its going to "throw" the cueball with transfers onto the object ball causing the player to miss the shot.
Without a doubt - it is totally down to developing a consistent cue action! Thanks for watching, like and subscribe! :-)
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR just gone back to a 7mm tip after spending almost two seasons with a 10mm tip. The amount of screw and side you can put on the cue ball with a smaller tip is insane. The only downside is if your not cueing dead centre with anything under 9.5 then your going to put unwanted side on a long shot and miss the pot. It's also possible to swerve the cueball by mistake on long shots too which can be a downside ofcourse.
I made a few late 40's with the 7mm last night so I'm going to stick with it for the remainder of the season and see how I get on.👍🏼
table & ball dimensions please
English pool table 6x3 playing area with 2 inch balls and 1 7/8 cue ball... how comes?
is that a white bra near the floor, lol
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when your mrs uses your pool room to hang the washing!
Theres litererally zero difference between two tip diameters as long as theyre shaped to the same radius. They have the exact same contact size and thats ehay matters
In fairness, some cues have a much flatter tip - certainly my american pool cue is as flat as a shrove tuesday pancake!
I completely disagree with your conclusion that the size of the tip does not matter for draw. (and all english but you were demonstrating draw here). It's simple geometry that says the smaller the cue tip, the lower you can get on the cue ball, hence, the more spin you can create. There is just no way to get around that fact. Yes you took ball in hand, and hit each shot at about break speed, so yes you got cue ball action. But use less force and see what happens. In real world games a smaller tip will get lower on the cue ball and with less force generate more backspin. Larger tips you have to hit much harder to achieve the same results and that's fine for a demonstration but in a real game you should rarely to never have to hit the cue ball with that much force you will lose all control. Make the test using a real world (game) example, ie, about half (or less) the force you used for this demonstration. The smaller the tip, the lower it can get on the cue ball, the more spin it will create. (PS I've never even seen a 14 mm tip in the U.S. Everyone I know plays with from about a 11.5mm to 12.5 mm).
The cue ball does not know or care if it is spinning backward because of being struck by a broomstick or a needle. The cue ball responds with reverse rounds per minute caused by the speed of the cue stick.
@@dougrichards3649
LOL, OK, try that with a Kamui super soft tip on a low deflection shaft like an i3 shaft compared to a broomstick and see how that works for you...
My main (and completely correct) argument is one of geometric physics. I'll explain it like this: If you hit middle ball the cue ball does not reverse rotate obviously, correct? If you hit half way between middle ball and table it reverse rotates a very small amount, correct? We all know the geometric physics of the lower you strike the cue ball, the more reverse rotation it will have. I think any and all agree on that. So, obviously, the thinner the shaft, the lower one can get on the cue ball. An 11mm i3 shaft can physically get a lower hit than say a 14 mm shaft. There is zero way to argue that fact. Therefore, all things being completely equal, ie, same type of shaft, same type of tip, simply getting lower on the cue ball will create more reverse spin. This is an inarguable point.
Simple fact I've noticed is that when I use the smaller tip in different games I get more revolutions on the ball, therefore more spin is imparted. This is my experience and thank you everyone for contributing to the debate! :-)
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR Yes you are correct. (As am I lol). This is what 100% of pool players understand, at least after they've played enough to gain some knowledge.
@@MikeM275 A 14mm will achieve more purchase than a 11 mm. Either striking a cue ball with tip 1mm above the cloth will scoop the ball. Go to 2mm, 3mm, 4mm … , I think the first to achieve a legal hit will be the tip with the best grip on the cue ball, speed of cue constant. Has a camera recorded any shaft height measurements? Is a level cue more or less efficient than one that is raised, a degree or few? I consider tip composition with its inherent qualities, driven by speed, to dictate the outcome, the performance of the cue ball.
Jesus so many negative comments
People like to hate for some reason - it's easier than liking for liking!
the bra finished drying half way through the video
It did indeed!
Good to know!
very informative cheers!
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Yep, all these tips are Amateur Selections...
The tip radius has lot to do with correct Cue Ball contact. Too small of a Radius, can create more throw & Squirt. The object ball & cue ball impact each other, each with a 1.125" Radius, in American Pool..., that doesn't cause Throw or Squirt, when the Cue Ball is rolling, but when spin is added, induced spin will alter the object ball's path, after impact......
There ya go mate.
I see you took the bra off the drying rack between shots.
; )
All i see is inconsistent strokes...
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Can’t hit where he wants to on the cue ball. Inconsistent
@@TheKeswani nope not really, just the different size tips on a 1 and 1 8th inch ball all have a different effect
OK
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Tables slow
Nah, it's actually relatively quick. I play on a number of tables and the home one has got a pretty fast cloth in comparison to the league ones
I play American pool so this doesn't show me anything
Thank you for watching either way!
Then be on your way! Reminds me of Ricky Gervais’ guitar lessons skit
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