'average minimum wage' is always questionable. Average in itself can be different things, and most companies include the top brass in this calculation which really skews the perspective. Edit: To which I see you mention moments later
As a maths teacher, I feel I should point out that when calculating average salary the type of average used is important. If they are including high level management in their calculations (CEO, CFO etc) then their salaries can easily skew the mean average in a positive direction, making it appear higher. If a modal average is used, those extreme outlier type values have far less impact. The same is true of the median average. It would be interesting to have the actual figures to analyse their claims 4:05
Being owned by a private equity firm i dont expect vallejo to last beyond a few years. The general process for them is spend as little as possible make as much as possible as the company suffers then declare bankruptcy. They arent in it for the long haul just maximize profits and on to the next company to do the same.
Asset strip and make as much profit before it burns to the ground. If you want an example, look at the utter mess at hornby and contrast with gw, the difference is quite staggering really. Not to say gw is a great company.
Indeed, you are absolutely right about all the above but I'd like to add one extra detail. The main value of the company is used by the private equity firm to borrow even more money and use it to purchase the next viable business. They are truly the asshole end of capitalism
@nathanreynolds4378 dude capitism and capitalists are just 1 big arsehole that craps out both ends. LoL Capitalism is only good when social minded Liberal leaders, puts the capitalists on a tight leash and force them to give back to the community and pay their taxes so they return the support the govt gave them to allow them to grow so big.
@@nathanreynolds4378 Yup and the new factory is a hard asset that adds value and can be easily liquidated to another company (most likely already owned by the same private equity firm)
Hypothetical example: Vallejo hires nine people at 10 an hour, which is the minimum wage. Then they hire someone else at $10.10 an hour making the average wage $10.01. Vallejo corporate pr team then boasts "our average wage is above the legal minimum wage". Kinda misses the point though eh? Blanket statements that use metrics like averages to cook the books is standard corporate strategy. This statement reeks of it. It's not good enough.
I don't disagree but I find it astonishing how many people accept contracts to then complain about the rate? If you accept a role you see the remuneration before you sign, why take a role you don't want?
Well done union! I hope they stick to the agreement and the workers get a boost to their working conditions. The strike occurred just as i was looking at getting a paint set, i ended up getting a army painter set in the end as it fitted my needs better alongside not being vallejo at the time. Unfortunately there'll likely be some who will moan about the prices if they increase them after this. But I would rather pay a little more so that the workers get treated better.
Given the date sent, it was obviously compiled by the skeleton crew. The seniors are already chilling on a beach somewhere, spending the cash earned off of the backs of the real workers.
I applaud you for confronting the issue. This hobby is a community, friends painting together, playing games and enjoying models. And this extends to the workers who provide our beloved paints. We appreciate them, we need them and we want them to succeed, not be abused on behalf of profitability.
Not to throw them a bone but I’ve been involved as a union rep in 12 contracts negotiations and a lot of companies refuse to comment on public statements made by the union. It’s dishonest and sketchy but actually pretty common practice for companies to keep everything as private as possible. My guess is the only reason they even responded was because of the bad press they’ve received from the community shedding a light on it all. So good work.
Average across ALL employes, average means the outliers will skew the result, so if the ceo is making fat stonks then this statement is true because his salary is that much higher.
no company has the obligation to respond to any journalist, so its absolutly not wild that they didnt. they only have to respond to the state they are in.
If that's the case, then expect the factory to move to somewhere in Asia to cut production costs. Give it a few years and see if they will announce that the factory in Spain is closing.
@@bionicgeekgrrl that always been the case and the factory never moved, you are assuming too much and yall attacking a conpany without knowing the economic context in Spain. The salarys there are way better than the average salary.
@@bionicgeekgrrl which leads to something you miss, the picket might just do that and they will lose their jobs. You arent helping anyone by demanding better pay for already fairly paid workers. Then you will get less quality vallejo paints, maybe thats what the brits ane GW want, to trash a Spanish company.
@@bionicgeekgrrl which leads to something you miss, the picket might just do that and they will lose their jobs. You arent helping anyone by demanding better pay for already fairly paid workers. Then you will get less quality vallejo paints, maybe thats what the brits ane GW want, to trash a Spanish company.
Did the union ask for a boycott? Because if they didn’t a boycott is often counterproductive as it temporarily lowers demand and allows the company more time before the strike starts to have acute effects. A boycott isn’t always a good thing, it’s a tactical move that the union is in the best place to decide if it’s prudent or not.
I am sorry but your reporting on this and understanding of the words you are reading is lacking. In business hourly and salary employees are seperated into two different groups. In this statement he is stating an hourly employee at Vallejo makes $16/hr and even the lowest pay bracket of the hourly employee's makes greater than $12/hr. So in fact you are wrong in stating that both cannot be true, not his statement. Thus you need to work on your reading comprehension. Unions and biased media companies are wrong just as much as the companies are wrong. Everyone is trying to protect their own agenda's. Why are you not putting any of the ownership no the employees/union to prove that their claims are accurate. You want the company to prove their claims are accurate but not asking the accuser to prove their claims. This is being biased by believing one persons claims with out proof but wanting another to prove their claims are correct. You are very ignorant on reporting.
If you're dealing with two sides of a dispute who are both complete strangers to you, and you blindly believe everything one side says for no reason, and blindly disbelieve everything the other says without reason, you might be right or you might be wrong, but either way you've shattered your credibility. Its no longer truth and ethics, but prejudice you follow.
All it takes is basic pattern recognition. 98% of the labor force risked their livelihoods to go on strike. It's hard to get 98% of ANY group to do ANYTHING, let alone something that requires personal courage. There is every logical reason to give benefit of the doubt to the workers in this situation.
@@HellstormWargaming Are you accidentally misunderstanding this comment, or intentionally straw manning it? The claim wasn't that they would never contact an overseas youtuber. The claim was that it would not be a high priority, thus explaining the delay.
Dude what is "explain that one liberals?" About. Are you using that in the actual meaning of what a Liberal is. Or in the way it is used by the woke/ left. I mean you portray yourself as pretty much as a liberal, left leaning, woke creator. Have you slipped down the Alt-Right extremist rabbit hole? Heck, even your coverage of this Is in a leftist pro-human, anti capitalist way.
@HellstormWargaming LoL you do not come across as a Starlinist/ Viet cong/ khamer Rouge/North Korean/ soviet. communist. Stop listening to what the Alt-Right TossPots, influencers and grifters are boxing you as. Happy holidays
@@HellstormWargaming also that seems a bit sarcastic. I am not having a dig at you. I identify as woke. Because the opposite to that is being a knuckle dragging, rapist, racist bigot, sexist, anti intellectual, reality denying religious nutcase, book burner mass shooter.
I’m all for the employees making more. Maybe it’s the American in me…I don’t understand how a Company should pay a worker €500 because they decided to have a child. Then pay you €200 for schooling for the child they decided to have. Then the company pays you more for being a single parent. I’m assuming Spain has some sort of maternity leave requirement. This seems like the company is now on the hook for the personal life decisions of their workers 🤷🏼♂️
Yes, because they get to ask for what they want to. Part of the social contract for countries that decided not to have public funding support for the essential societal function of actually continuing the human race. Are you really that stupidly short sighted?
Just the American in me, but ensuring companies provide for their employees wellbeing is 1) Biblical, and 2) fundamental to promoting the general welfare. A bit hard to work all day in the literal factory when you need to stay home to take care of a child. That's before getting into the fact that the number one reason that people delay having children is financial. A state then has the vested interest in ensuring the bringing forth of future generations. But, yeah this is just a poor company being forced by big mean government to pay for their workers personal choices. A few hundred Euros is a small price to add on to the cost of doing business in order to ensure a reasonable quality of life for the people whose labor is the source of all the profits that the company gets. This isn't about individuals or even companies, at the end of the day it is about the quality of the society that we want to live in. Does that help you understand?
@@irgilligan Ahh…apologies. I didn’t realize disagreeing opinions called for immediate insults. I foolishly looked at my paycheck and decided to live within my means.
So happy to see the Strike worked. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all the workers at Vallejo!
'average minimum wage' is always questionable. Average in itself can be different things, and most companies include the top brass in this calculation which really skews the perspective.
Edit: To which I see you mention moments later
LOL I paused the video to comment this then saw your comment then saw your edit saying he mentioned this moments later.
As a maths teacher, I feel I should point out that when calculating average salary the type of average used is important. If they are including high level management in their calculations (CEO, CFO etc) then their salaries can easily skew the mean average in a positive direction, making it appear higher. If a modal average is used, those extreme outlier type values have far less impact. The same is true of the median average. It would be interesting to have the actual figures to analyse their claims 4:05
Claims asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
This would also apply to literally everything claimed by the union which everyone took on blind faith was completely accurate.
Cheers for the update, dude!
Big up the workers!
Merry Christmas to us all!
Happy holidays!
Being owned by a private equity firm i dont expect vallejo to last beyond a few years. The general process for them is spend as little as possible make as much as possible as the company suffers then declare bankruptcy. They arent in it for the long haul just maximize profits and on to the next company to do the same.
Asset strip and make as much profit before it burns to the ground.
If you want an example, look at the utter mess at hornby and contrast with gw, the difference is quite staggering really. Not to say gw is a great company.
So basically the best paint out there Valejo, is going to drop to one of the worst Humbrol quality
Indeed, you are absolutely right about all the above but I'd like to add one extra detail. The main value of the company is used by the private equity firm to borrow even more money and use it to purchase the next viable business. They are truly the asshole end of capitalism
@nathanreynolds4378 dude capitism and capitalists are just 1 big arsehole that craps out both ends. LoL
Capitalism is only good when social minded Liberal leaders, puts the capitalists on a tight leash and force them to give back to the community and pay their taxes so they return the support the govt gave them to allow them to grow so big.
@@nathanreynolds4378 Yup and the new factory is a hard asset that adds value and can be easily liquidated to another company (most likely already owned by the same private equity firm)
Hypothetical example:
Vallejo hires nine people at 10 an hour, which is the minimum wage. Then they hire someone else at $10.10 an hour making the average wage $10.01. Vallejo corporate pr team then boasts "our average wage is above the legal minimum wage". Kinda misses the point though eh?
Blanket statements that use metrics like averages to cook the books is standard corporate strategy. This statement reeks of it. It's not good enough.
I don't disagree but I find it astonishing how many people accept contracts to then complain about the rate? If you accept a role you see the remuneration before you sign, why take a role you don't want?
Well done union! I hope they stick to the agreement and the workers get a boost to their working conditions. The strike occurred just as i was looking at getting a paint set, i ended up getting a army painter set in the end as it fitted my needs better alongside not being vallejo at the time.
Unfortunately there'll likely be some who will moan about the prices if they increase them after this. But I would rather pay a little more so that the workers get treated better.
Given the date sent, it was obviously compiled by the skeleton crew.
The seniors are already chilling on a beach somewhere, spending the cash earned off of the backs of the real workers.
Sad fact tbh.
I applaud you for confronting the issue. This hobby is a community, friends painting together, playing games and enjoying models. And this extends to the workers who provide our beloved paints. We appreciate them, we need them and we want them to succeed, not be abused on behalf of profitability.
Not to throw them a bone but I’ve been involved as a union rep in 12 contracts negotiations and a lot of companies refuse to comment on public statements made by the union. It’s dishonest and sketchy but actually pretty common practice for companies to keep everything as private as possible. My guess is the only reason they even responded was because of the bad press they’ve received from the community shedding a light on it all. So good work.
Average across ALL employes, average means the outliers will skew the result, so if the ceo is making fat stonks then this statement is true because his salary is that much higher.
This
I'm guessing that average is boosted by shift rates and overtime/bonuses.
Hey man where'd you get that awesome t-shirt?
Great video! I couldn't agree more with your video and your way of handling this strike over the weeks, congrats. Loved it and subscribed! 🤠
If I employ 99 people for minimum wage and give myself £100million a year. On average as a group we would earn £1million each
no company has the obligation to respond to any journalist, so its absolutly not wild that they didnt. they only have to respond to the state they are in.
More they responded and the next day union announced a settlement
Does this mean I need to change paints?
The answer here is to be a creator launching three Vallejo repackaged sets and constantly shamelessly promote the brand throughout
👀💀
Wow promoting products, shameless
Which creator was that?
Fair play Hellstorm. No Pasaran! Delighted to see union rights being supported.
Didn't the strike end this week?
They've signed some sort of pre-agreement as far as I can tail in favor of the employees by the looks of it.
what *intelligent individual sends a DM to Hellstorm after being called out without knowing damn well he WILL tell everyone
plus i'm pretty sure they contradicted themselves at least twice
Enteprises oay 50% in taxes in spain, lets take that into consideration.
If that's the case, then expect the factory to move to somewhere in Asia to cut production costs. Give it a few years and see if they will announce that the factory in Spain is closing.
@@bionicgeekgrrl that always been the case and the factory never moved, you are assuming too much and yall attacking a conpany without knowing the economic context in Spain. The salarys there are way better than the average salary.
@@bionicgeekgrrl which leads to something you miss, the picket might just do that and they will lose their jobs. You arent helping anyone by demanding better pay for already fairly paid workers.
Then you will get less quality vallejo paints, maybe thats what the brits ane GW want, to trash a Spanish company.
@@bionicgeekgrrl which leads to something you miss, the picket might just do that and they will lose their jobs. You arent helping anyone by demanding better pay for already fairly paid workers.
Then you will get less quality vallejo paints, maybe thats what the brits ane GW want, to trash a Spanish company.
Did the union ask for a boycott? Because if they didn’t a boycott is often counterproductive as it temporarily lowers demand and allows the company more time before the strike starts to have acute effects. A boycott isn’t always a good thing, it’s a tactical move that the union is in the best place to decide if it’s prudent or not.
As far as I’ve heard, yes they did as for a boycott.
In my last video I showed the union asking For a boycott.
The heck is valeo? You should respect the letters in a word. VA - LLE - JO
There’s no Jo
Unions, awesome...
I am sorry but your reporting on this and understanding of the words you are reading is lacking. In business hourly and salary employees are seperated into two different groups. In this statement he is stating an hourly employee at Vallejo makes $16/hr and even the lowest pay bracket of the hourly employee's makes greater than $12/hr. So in fact you are wrong in stating that both cannot be true, not his statement. Thus you need to work on your reading comprehension.
Unions and biased media companies are wrong just as much as the companies are wrong. Everyone is trying to protect their own agenda's.
Why are you not putting any of the ownership no the employees/union to prove that their claims are accurate. You want the company to prove their claims are accurate but not asking the accuser to prove their claims. This is being biased by believing one persons claims with out proof but wanting another to prove their claims are correct.
You are very ignorant on reporting.
If you're dealing with two sides of a dispute who are both complete strangers to you, and you blindly believe everything one side says for no reason, and blindly disbelieve everything the other says without reason, you might be right or you might be wrong, but either way you've shattered your credibility. Its no longer truth and ethics, but prejudice you follow.
All it takes is basic pattern recognition. 98% of the labor force risked their livelihoods to go on strike. It's hard to get 98% of ANY group to do ANYTHING, let alone something that requires personal courage. There is every logical reason to give benefit of the doubt to the workers in this situation.
Yeah sorry I support workers and collective action over corporate mouth pieces
@@GoobertownHobbiesBased 😎
They took 26 days to respond in any official capacity. Any NORMAL person would have that response:
Merry Christmas x
Unions are for the birds
They probably just had bigger concerns than emailing an overseas youtuber.
Clearly that’s why they contacted an overseas TH-camr 🤓
They also ignored all of traditional press like I said in the video
@HellstormWargaming eventually... like I said they probably had more important things to do until now.
@@HellstormWargaming Are you accidentally misunderstanding this comment, or intentionally straw manning it?
The claim wasn't that they would never contact an overseas youtuber. The claim was that it would not be a high priority, thus explaining the delay.
first and only
Beast mode
#bigboardgang
Dude what is "explain that one liberals?" About.
Are you using that in the actual meaning of what a Liberal is.
Or in the way it is used by the woke/ left.
I mean you portray yourself as pretty much as a liberal, left leaning, woke creator.
Have you slipped down the Alt-Right extremist rabbit hole?
Heck, even your coverage of this
Is in a leftist pro-human, anti capitalist way.
I used sarcasm like the alt left extremist that I am
@HellstormWargaming LoL you do not come across as a Starlinist/ Viet cong/ khamer Rouge/North Korean/ soviet. communist.
Stop listening to what the Alt-Right TossPots, influencers and grifters are boxing you as.
Happy holidays
@@HellstormWargaming also that seems a bit sarcastic.
I am not having a dig at you. I identify as woke. Because the opposite to that is being a knuckle dragging, rapist, racist bigot, sexist, anti intellectual, reality denying religious nutcase, book burner mass shooter.
I’m all for the employees making more. Maybe it’s the American in me…I don’t understand how a Company should pay a worker €500 because they decided to have a child. Then pay you €200 for schooling for the child they decided to have. Then the company pays you more for being a single parent.
I’m assuming Spain has some sort of maternity leave requirement. This seems like the company is now on the hook for the personal life decisions of their workers 🤷🏼♂️
Yes, because they get to ask for what they want to. Part of the social contract for countries that decided not to have public funding support for the essential societal function of actually continuing the human race. Are you really that stupidly short sighted?
Just the American in me, but ensuring companies provide for their employees wellbeing is 1) Biblical, and 2) fundamental to promoting the general welfare. A bit hard to work all day in the literal factory when you need to stay home to take care of a child.
That's before getting into the fact that the number one reason that people delay having children is financial. A state then has the vested interest in ensuring the bringing forth of future generations. But, yeah this is just a poor company being forced by big mean government to pay for their workers personal choices. A few hundred Euros is a small price to add on to the cost of doing business in order to ensure a reasonable quality of life for the people whose labor is the source of all the profits that the company gets. This isn't about individuals or even companies, at the end of the day it is about the quality of the society that we want to live in. Does that help you understand?
As an American this was beyond depressing to read lol.
@@irgilligan Ahh…apologies. I didn’t realize disagreeing opinions called for immediate insults. I foolishly looked at my paycheck and decided to live within my means.
@@meticulouschaos looked to me like they were just asking questions. *shrugs*