Why I Don't Use DISHWASHER PACKS in My Dishwasher!!! (THE TRUTH) | Andrea Jean
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- Why I Don't Use DISHWASHER PACKS in My Dishwasher!!! (THE TRUTH) | Andrea Jean
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The blue liquid is to help with hard water it is a acid base cleaner to help break down the calcium build up that happens with time. The spots or streaks is just the left over minerals that are usually in hard water. So the liquid rinse aid help a little at a time to break all the mineral build up.
I have to use finish tabs and I have to use the quantum along with lemishine rinse aide because we are on well water and have very hard water also high in iron . When I use those 2 products I definitely get sparkling clean dishes. I do not get good results w/cascade. I have also used finish rinse aide but I prefer lemishine
@1:07 I never use the prewash side,. And only fill halfway with liquid soap in the main compartment,. But that's because I prewash them myself only since they sit in the sink until I can get to them since I'm usually at work from 9-9 and i use the dishwasher more as a sanitizer than a actual wash since I use a nasty dishwand,.seems like a good place for bacteria to grow
I have used my dishwasher with and without the drying liquid several times and can’t see a difference at all.
HI Andrea, can you please tell me what dishwasher you have and model #. Ty
I didn't grow up with a dishwasher so when I first got married I didn't know there was a difference between liquid detergent and dish soap. I had the cleanest floor I've ever had in our 17 years of marriage. I could have eaten off of the tile! 😅
Adventures in housekeeping!😊
Haha!
Need to watch out for this issue with the newer HE washers as well. If you don't use HE detergent you get a lot more suds then they will rinse off your clothing.
Same thing when I moved into my first apartment that actually had a dishwasher. I had dish soap so figured it was the same thing. Came home after leaving the dishwasher on and found the little kitchen area full of foam. Live and learn I guess? lol
Same thing happened to me! Lol
I use the Cascade pods. A repairman, who was not in my house for the dishwasher, saw that I was using the pods. He told me to put them in the utensil basket, rather than the detergent drawer. This way, they start getting wet right away and the outer seal melts by the time the wash cycle starts. If it goes in the drawer, they are not release until the wash cycle starts and by the time the outer seal melts, half the wash cycle is over with, so you're not getting detergent in the wash cycle for the full time. Since this advice, I've been putting the pods in the basket and I noticed that my dishes and glasses were cleaner and better rinse than when I was putting the pods in the draw.
I will definitely be trying this!
Very interesting 🤔
Our Bosch has a pre-rinse cycle that drains before the machine re-fills for the wash cycle (when the detergent drawer pops open). Any detergent you put in the basket only sticks around for the pre-rinse and gets drained away before the wash cycle. What I do is put a chlorine bleach tablet in the basket and the detergent in the drawer. That way, the dishes get a bleach pre-rinse and then the usual detergent wash. They have come out better this way.
Dishwasher detergents used to ALWAYS contain chlorine bleach, but I never see it in detergents anymore. I don't know why they stopped using it. I like the deodorizing and disinfecting I get from the bleach, and the washer tub smells so much better.
I’ll try this starting tomorrow!!
Actually, the opposite happens. The pods will melt during the rinse cycle, which is MUCH shorter than the wash cycle, and then the detergent will be drained with rinse water. Your washer will spend the entire wash cycle without detergent. Go lookup how a dishwasher actually works.
I have to tell you, I’m up at 2 am watching this! I have just pulled my dishwasher apart. I never new there was a thingy in your dishwasher that needs to be cleaned! You are so inspirational!
😁 So insperational!
@Amy- I didn't know that either! I'm usually up around 2am doing stuff too lol
News to me and I’m middle aged! Haha 😂
Read manuals for maximum inspiration and enlightenment!!!
It's called a "trap"
As a highly experienced Appliance Tech Andrea almost gives you everything you need to know about dishwashers except for the most important thing I'm about to tell you now NEVER use gel soap which Andrea uses on a regular basis gel soap out of those green bottles that she uses will spell a quick death to any dishwasher within two to three years I always recommend pods but more than likely if you're trying to save money use powdered detergent. Gel soap almost never completely dissolve in a dishwasher gel soap will leave lots of soap scum in the tub and worse it will with regular use clog your filter screens and eventually clog your sensors and sump/motor assembly. She is correct which is something I tell all my customers always turn on the hot water before you turn on the dishwasher which will help dissolve the detergent and always wins your dishes the dishwasher is not a garbage disposal
omg lol had my wool pool for 11 years i bought the green bottle stuff and the circulation pump went out and now i bought a new one holy crap lol so glad i read this im throwing that crap out
You are so right. I used them for over a year. I saw my glasses getting milky. My dishwasher looked milky. My kids were worried. I switched to Cascade Powerball Pods and overnight I saw a difference. I’m never going back.
Sorry it’s finish Powerball
We live in an area with hard water. The rinse aid definitely helps rinse the dishes well, especially glassware. 2 tablespoons baking soda helps detergent work better, and helps to deodorize the DW. I leave the empty DW door slightly open to air dry. This drying process cuts down on funky odors in the DW. Lemon juice or vinegar cleaning the interior of the DW once a month helps remove odors and film on the interior of the DW.
Add salt and that helps with hard water
@@ravensunn add it to soap or rinse dispenser?
@@Mandy_39 You don't add regular salt. You add dishwasher salt to the reservoir in the bottom of your dishwasher.
@@ravensunn Dishwasher salt, not table salt.
If you have hard water, you should be using dishwasher salt in your salt reservoir, not rinse aid. Rinse aid is wholly unnecessary except for drying your dishes faster. It coats your dishes in chemicals.
I was a service tech for 43 yrs. This is my advice. Never use anything pre measured. In your dishwasher or washer. The problem is every load is different. It could be too much or too little depending on the load and hardness of your water. I also found these things don't dissolve, clogging your dishwasher. This is what I suggest. Add detergent to the small cup, and lemi shine to your large cup. Fill your rinse aid reservoir with blue jet dry only because you can see when it's empty. Now, if you have soft water, you'll only need a teaspoon maybe a half of teaspoon of detergant in your small cup. And yes your rinse aid does help your dishes remove spots and dry. Always get water hot before you start your diswasher.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. That's very helpful!
I was also told by a repair guy never put a pod in the dispenser cup just toss a pod in the bottom of your dishwasher cause the pod coverings will gunk up the dispenser causing it to become stuck and not open up and it's expensive to fix issue.
Add detergent to the small cup? Which detergent? Liquid dishwasher detergent?
@@CHEECHMUN Yeah, which one?
@@rynfornow3411
Powder or liquid.
Those two.
Also you can measure by the load more if heavily soiled less for small loads or if less dirty. Basically you can just throw it on the door because it uses it on the first pre rinse. That helps breakdown grease & soil. That's why her pre wash department has slits in the detergent lid on the right so to get water in there for the first pre wash.
And it drains in the tub while spraying in the slit holes .
That is a well manged system that's all.
I use all 3 types. Liquid for prewashing it dissolves faster. And I use a Finish pod for the main wash for heavily soiled and super dirty dishes.
Andrea thank you for all the tests you try and practice in order to help us save money , time , and thinking of the safety of procedures. I have a helpful hint that most people don't know. And that is a lot of food is easier to clean off dishes in cold water. First thing is eggs. If you use hot water to try and clean off eggs , even warm water cooks the eggs harder to the surface. Using cold water the eggs come off so easily and with cold water the grease is in a more solid form which helps it run through drains better. When you use hot water with grease it cools as it goes down drain and sticks to more solidified grease in drains. If it is already in a solid form it runs through. These are my opinions from practices I have always used. They work for me. Another thing that can help if you have clogged drains. This was shown to me by a plumber. Was to put a very very large pot on stove. On high till it's at a rolling boil. This can be dangerous if you are not strong enough to lift and pour the pot. But pouring it down a clogged drain will most times clear the mass. You don't have to worry about caustic chemicals eating up your pipes. As I said. My opinion. Hope this is helpful to you.
Some dishwashers, Bosch for example, don't have a pre-wash place to put detergent so what i do is put a pod in the main wash container and then sprinkle a tablespoon of powder detergent right into the tub as my pre-wash. I of course make sure that i do have hot water already running via the faucet to ensure that power does get dissolved for that initial pre-wash. As for the powered detergent, i use the Walmart brand which is pretty inexpensive .
The Walmart powder has always worked very well for me by itself. It does depend on your water, sometimes. I've used Walmart for years because many other products contain excessive perfume, and it's hard to find ones that don't.
I use dishwasher detergent pods from Costco. They do an extremely amazing job of cleaning and removing stains. Dishes come out spotless. Also I use Finish Jet Dry in the rinse dispenser and always keep it full continuously. Also I run the hot water in the sink for about 1-2 minutes before starting the dishwasher.
Good advice. We built a house four years ago and we got all new appliances. We ordered our own appliances from a local appliance store. I got such an education on all the items we purchased. He was the one to tell me to “prime the pump” by running the hot water for a full minute before starting the dishwasher. We have extremely hard water. After having mixed results with using the manufacturer recommended dish tab (the one with the red ball in the middle), he suggested trying a plain dish tab without the additives and using rinse aid. Wow, what a difference and significantly cheaper. I swear by the Costco brand of dish tabs which are roughly 9 cents each and I use generic rinse aid. My cost went from around 40 - 50 cents per load to around 13 cents a load. The liquid and powder dishwasher detergent are very hard to find as the dish tabs seem to have cornered the market. A huge portion of the laundry aisle now is the laundry tabs. The liquid and powder detergent are much cheaper to use per load than the pods.
I will have to try the Costco brand, thanks! I do use the powdered Tide from Costco for my laundry, I hate the scum that liquid detergent leaves, I think it gums up the washer.
Janet Richardson Running hot water for a minute? What a ridiculous waste. I can only assume you're American with typical US junk appliances. Why would you waste as much water as a European dishwasher uses in an entire cycle? Why don't US dishwashers heat their own water like a European one does? Every time you run a tap for a minute you're wasting ten to twenty litres of water- water that was at one time heated but has presumably gone cold sitting in your pipes. So you flush it away, leaving your pipes sitting full of yet more lovely hot water that just goes cold again. Next time, buy a European style dishwasher. It will do a better job, use less water, less energy, less detergent and be significantly quieter too in all likelihood.
Spencer Wilton I agree but my dishwasher is a Bosch. This is recommended by the manufacturer. In many parts of the US we are required to have tankless water heaters in new homes so the hot water is not instantly available. There is no tank of hot water being reheated constantly. So this is supposed to be more energy efficient and the tankless water heater lasts longer than traditional water heaters. Even with adding a booster to recirculate hot water, it still isn’t hot enough to wash the dishes immediately. I moved from an older home in another county and we had hot water almost instantly but in the new home in a different county, the standard is a tankless water.
@@janetrichardson2644 I also run the water to get it hot before running the dishwasher and I have a Bosch dishwasher (German company, made in the USA). I am going to look into getting a recirculating pump to get immediate hot water. Ignore that grumpy dude!
@@patriciaoswalt6464 , if your dishwasher is not near the hot water heater it takes longer to get hot. Example, when I lived with my parents the hot water heater is right next to my bathroom. My parents bedroom and kitchen is farthest away on the other side of the house. I get hot water almost instantly. While my parents would have to let the water run in order for it to get warm enough to shower. Yes all dishwashers recommend running the water in the sink until it’s hot before starting the dishwasher.
I also forget to add the rinse agent.
Here in the UK all dishwashers are cold water fill with integrated water heater. They did the same with washing machines quite a few years back which used to have hot and cold supply, but now only cold!
I have a Kenwood £180 dishwasher and use Tesco lemon tablets. I do not use rinse aid. (Soft water)
Run it on a 30 minute fast wash every time and it's fine.
I rinse off excess food with cold water before washing.
Soak baked on stuff in cold water before washing.
Make sure not to block the spray direction with poorly placed dishes or pans.
Tall cutlery or large trays can stop the tab dispenser from opening if they impede it !!!
This can also result in poor wash and undissolved tabs or partially dissolved ones.
When 30 minute cycle is finished I remove all plastics and cutlery tray as they dry better out.
Leave the rest until morning with the door ajar when they're all dry.
What's the mad rush about wanting your dishes washed and dried in a couple of hours! Just buy some more plates, which works out cheaper than running long washes with drying cycles.
We have an 18 place setting and a 12 place setting! Table seats 10 when grandchildren visit.
Remove filters etc once a month and soak in bleach solution.
Scrub with large nail brush ( quicker than small toothbrush)
Wipe out inside dishwasher and don't forget to remove all old water and gunk from filter hole.
Grandad's role, granny not allowed near the dishwasher!
You’re going to kill your dishwasher
Wait. I’m confused. I just bought a GE stainless tub dishwasher 2/22. It has a heating element and uses cold water supply. That’s not standard? ;Live in NY state, not Europe)
Correction. I just checked my water supply. It is hot water!! 😆
Iv got a hisense £300 slimline dishwasher because it accepts hot and cold feed i use the nornal 3 hour program for my pots for tablet to fully disolve
I have been very sick since 2016. I clean but even though I knew about the filter in the dishwasher, I did not clean it. This week I purchased from Amazon Finish’s dishwasher cleaner for grease and lime. I ran it yesterday. Tonight after watching your video, I took that filter out. It is clean as a whistle. Apparently Finish’s $3 and change product works well. I’m very pleased.
Dishwashers haven’t changed much since 1886! 😂😂😂 I know what you meant. It just surprised me that nobody else caught that!😂. Great video by the way!👍🏼
Oh geeze!!!! I’ve never cleaned the trap to my dishwasher and it’s probably at least 10 years old.
I never knew!! Now I’m very afraid lol. Thank you the lesson!! And what’s really bad is that I clean houses. But, I do not clean out the dishwashers. You have given me many useful easy and new tips!!
I was this way with my a/c unit as well until I was blessed with meeting the caretaker for the property of a wealthy local. He came by and showed me what I’d been missing for many years in several areas of the home exterior, especially the proper way to clean the central a/c unit 2x/yr. only if you like to keep your a/c running well, that is. What a blessing!
I've had mine for 14 years and never knew either. I always rinse the food off because I only run it once a week. I believe I will switch to the liquid though. The pods have really increased in price recently. Might have to buy rince agent though.
@Teela Tequila I never use full amount of soap for washing clothes either. I had to have a repair done to my old washer and the repair guy said it’s unnecessary and only a way to make you use more than you need.
Ahhhh... marketing.
The biggest problem with any appliance is that no one reads their instruction manual. It’s not packed in the box as a cushion, it contains valuable information. Older GE dishwashers had a small disposal in them that ground up any debris left on 5he dishes so their wasn’t a filter to clean. They added to the noise level so they stopped them..Almost all have filters that need periodic cleaning.
On vacation last year the condo had the Great Value brand of dishwasher tabs. They worked just fine in that older model dishwasher so that's what I started using when we got back home. They work just as well in my dishwasher as the name brand. I also use the Great Value rinse aid. It's the same thing just less expensive.
Absolutely 💯 true, most off brands are owned by the same company. It's all marketing. Anyone can make the same product. we can't use the high end name.
My repair man said those pod plastic coverings don’t dissolve enough and can plug your machine so I no longer use.
This may be my issue
I will NEVER use ANY pod in ANY machine.
I used Snuggle scent pods in my clothes washing machine (I know this is about dishwashers). I had partially undissolved pod all over my towels and I wash in hot water.
I also run the hot water in the utility sink so my front loader fills with hot water.
@epiccollision I've had the plastic from washing machine pods get stuck on one of my shirts before. Doesn't seem that far fetched to me.
I can’t say anything about the laundry pods as I’ve never used those (make my own laundry powder). However, I do use the dishwasher pods to clean my stainless steel coffee carafe once a month. They completely dissolve in hot water every time. Been doing this for years. It leaves the carafe so clean! Looks brand new.
I've never taken the trap out of mine,I didn't realize that it sat so far down in there. Thanks
I used to use rinse aid in my machine until the repair man told me not to and that this was the reason my glasses were going milky looking. I stopped using it and noticed no difference except clearer glasses. I live in the UK with very hard water. Keep up the great work Andrea Jean.
10:28 that actually is from Cascade and Generic detergent products. As the owner/technician of an appliance repair company, Finish tabs/pods don't cause this. Use LemiShine also to clean out the internals of dishwasher. Not a scam actually works amazing!
Yes, rinse agent does work. It removes streaks that occurs on my glasses when I take them out of the dishwasher. Dont know about drying faster, but I definitely see a difference with permanent spots and streaks on my clear dishes.
Tammy using distilled vinegar is natural and makes a great rinse agent
@@angies6475
It can also etch your glasses…
@@Lucinda_Jackson which does
Me - almost 28 years old:
"THERE ARE LIQUID SOAPS FOR DISHWASHERS?!?!?!"
lol
My thoughts exactly. You can't get it in the UK.
…Millennials
Not liquid, it is gel.
DO NOT use gel soaps! Powdered soaps such as pods dissolve best
I use the Cascade pods. Love them. I always do Express wash and I lightly rinse any "chunky" stuff from my dishes as I run the tap to make sure the water is hot before I start the cycle. I don't use Finish.
My appliance dealer and service man recommend using powder detergent because it dissolves better and washes/rinses away far better than the pods or liquid. One video said the pucks don't dissolves well and the plastic layer can gum up your dishwasher. I've tried them all but stick with powder.
You’re going to love me after you read my comment/advise. I always put dishwasher powder/liquid not just inside the sealed lockable compartment, but most importantly also outside of it. Logically answer yourself this question, when is the detergent required the most, when the dishes are the dirtiest at the beginning of cycle or halfway through when they are already partially rinsed by just pure water? The answer is Off course when very dirty at the beginning. So I always split my dishwasher powder between sealed compartment and outside, effectively it gives your dishes a prewash. Most dishwasher actually have designated space for this reason, sometimes uncovered, sometimes under the the main flap slotted section. Frankly my “half “ of powder outside is alway bigger then locked “half”. It also has another benefit apart from cleaning your dishes better, it keeps your dishwasher’s drainage pipes clean, that’s because all this greasy stuff from initial wash is dissolved by the powder you’ve put outside of locked compartment and does not stick to the drainage. For this reason I have never ever used any of those heavily advertised “dishwasher cleaners”. You will notice it yourself when cleaning the filter (still have do it regularly, it’s compulsory), it won’t have this whitish gluey coat that is hard to remove. After 20 years of service I have replaced my old dishwasher with new one and guess what? The drainage pipe was so clean that I have not changed, just reconnected it to new machine.
Another tip, when you’re installing your dishwasher, connect it to hot water supply pipe instead of cold.
Don’t bother with all in one tablets or pods, always use dedicated powder/liquid and separate rinse aid. By the way rinse aid really makes the difference ton achieve spotless dry dishes.
P.S. obviously I am a dishwasher freak.
Me to, always have
The dishwasher installer said to put the pod pouch in the bottom left corner of your washer floor. Then run ‘glisten’ through a cycle once a month as preventive cleaning.
Many higher end dishwasher manufacturers recommend using a rinse aid. The really expensive models include information telling you why (explained by some of the other comments more scientifically below) If you have hard water you def want to use a rinse aid.
Also, most of the upper end dishwashers do not have two detergent cups like your older Kenmore. Cleaning out the filter is very important and most don’t even know they have one. Thank you for your video.
In hard water locations (Great Lakes Area, etc.), the Rinse Aid helps a lot on glasses and shiny dishes.
We live in Northwest PA and have very hard water.
I moved in to a house that my bfs step mom used to live in, & she was just terrible at cleaning. She used to tell me “I’d rather live in filth than smell cleaning chemicals” excuses excuses.
So as you imagine, her house which is now mine is disgusting. She was using a washer with a broken drum (clothes would simply sit in soapy water essentially and then drain) for FIVE YEARS. I complained about the broken washer/dryer and they thankfully replaced it. (They as in the landlord of the house not the step mom lmao)
Anyways... The AC filters, tile grout, staircase, microwave grease filters, everything was so gross. As you might imagine, I always hand wash dishes because I was scared of even OPENING her dishwasher. Well I grew tired of constantly washing by hand so I finally opened it. It of course had that bad smell of moisture. I decided to pop open the filter and other components and give it a clean. When i put on gloves and kneeled down to look for the filter.... I was SHOCKED. I mean I’d seen nastiness already in this house, but this crossed the line. There was GREEN mold all over. It was so bad, I had to put in so much force to actually get the filter out. When I did, I was so disgusted. I wish I could’ve attached a picture to my comment. I cleaned the nastiest dishwasher ever using bleach, and dawn, you name it. I threw everything I used to clean it away and bleached the entire sink afterwards. I took off one screw with a philips only to reveal more mold, inside and outside the hose that carries the water to and from the dishwasher.. that’s when I concluded that even if I do clean this (which I did in the end) that there was no possible way that there wasn’t even more mold at places I can’t see or reach.... it was so bad. I ran a super hot cycle with vinegar over and over after cleaning it and still, it smells disgusting, even though it’s not as intense as it was. After seeing that mold, I can’t bring myself to use this dishwasher, and I can’t believe this woman fed me with dishes that came out of that moldy dishwasher before I moved in..... smhhh
Wow with mold where water cleaning the dishes you eat off in…nope I’d have just replaced it for my own peace of mind. Kudos to you for trying.
@@karenmckillip8685 I moved to another house because the owner refused to replace it actually, and luckily I have brand new appliances now :)
The Jet Dry for hard water is superb! Indiana deals with hard water. I had recently purchased it - not intentionally. I happened to see it when replacing my previous Jet Dry. I have gone back to Cascade (Platinum). I was using Sam’s Club brand but they never cleaned like squeaky clean. So I’m sold on the Cascade Platinum pods and Finish Jet Dry for Hard Water.
In Chicago. Same.
Many years ago, my mother was frustrated after doing a late-night dishwasher loadup and discovered we had just run out of dry detergent (after a long workday who wouldn't be?). Not wanting to go the store, she put in a very small amount of dishsoap, start up the dishwasher.
I have never in my life heard such hysterical laughter as my mother's when a mountain of suds started spewing out the front of the machine. This was also a good lifelong deterrent to not use complex cleaning solutions outside of their stated usage instructions.
I called the Maytag repairman because my dishwasher wasn’t drying my dishes and the service call was $100 just for him to advise me that I needed to use a rinse aid for the dishwasher to dry the dishes. Since then, always use rinse aid and always get dry dishes.
Tide Pods come with a childproof container to store their pods. You could keep one of your empty tide pod boxes and fill it with your Cascade or Finish pods to make them childproof, too.
if you have recycling bins check there for empty tide pods or put it on your facebook group that you are looking for one. I needed plastic pails with lids for chicken feed and found what I needed in the recycling bins - cat litter pails (empty of course). And for foamy hand soap I asked around for an empty bottle and it is still going strong three years later and I put two tablespoons of dish soap the rest warm water, so the soap mixes well and my cost for each refill is two cents.
Andrea, a trick I learned from a repair man. To clean the dishwasher when it is empty, fill the soap dispenser with Tang drink mix and run it through a wash cycle. It scrubs the walls of the tub and cleans the spray arms and the sprayer holes. It works very well. Try it and let us know what you think.
so citric acid...great, gonna try it
Thank you for the tip, Craig.
This was recommended to my uncle who’s dishwasher was stained reddish from the iron in the water. It came out completely clean!
Citric acid is the same for coffee makers, hot pots, etc. also for washing machine cleaning!
@@chanchan5349 Also, works for toilet rings better than anything else. Sprinkle on wet bowl, let it sit while you do the rest of the bathroom, then scrub it off. Putting wet paper towels over the citric acid will help it stay wet but be sure not to flush them.
When I was a kid The dishwasher repair man told us do NOT fill both cavities with washing liquid - that it was bad for the dishwasher; so we stopped filling both & have never done it since 😆
When you were a kid, the machines were nowhere near as efficient as they are now. Neither was the detergent. The older machines did not heat the water, they just ran off your hot water temperature. Newer machines will heat the water up as it loads the lines. They use a fraction of the detergent. If you fill a newer machine to the recommended levels, you are still using a fraction of the detergent that the older machines requested. The older detergents suds up a lot more and were a lot more difficult to rinse out of the tub after, so those machines used a lot more water. That is part of what made them less reliable. You shouldn't be concerned about this with a modern dishwasher.
@@ronlaverdiere hmmm cool to know, though I remember the detergent holder being the same size & when I say a kid I mean 16-17, though that was still a while ago... especially in today’s world with how quickly the technology advances
I can attest that Finish does work for drying & avoiding spots. So when I have a large amount of glasses on the washer, I will use Finish to ensure they'll be dried and spot free. I maintain the dishwasher very clean throughout, but as to cleaning the filter & drain, I must confess I never thought of having it done. Will do it tomorrow. Thanks, I have learned a lot through your video posts.
I agree. It makes glasses sparkle without water spots. So I give FINISH a 👍
Agreed. The pods are hype but the bottle of Finish or other rinse agent makes a difference. Powder in the prewash and wash slots to me are better than the pods(which skip the prewash).
Vinegar works very well to replace Jet Dry…..no spots on anything!
Are glasses the only thing that usually get a film or hard water spots? Just got my 1st dishwasher & our water is unfortunately super hard.
@@Mandy_39 You may need to install a water softener otherwise all your appliances that run water will suffer
I used cascade tablets, and they are the best. And I use a rinse. My dishes come out spotless. Turn your hot water on first to bring it up to the sink.
yes you must have heard water
I can tell when I need to add the rinse aid, my dishes are still wet. So yes it works. Lol
Me, too! I agree.
I agree as well 😃
Exactly, me too.
I also used the dry then the wet types before trying pods and always had residue running down inside of door or goop inside little pop open door area. And yes, I run hot water before I turn on dishwasher so why does that happen?
Vinegar works just the same
@@nevisscot7697 nope it doesn't. Stop spreading false information. Vinegar will react with stainless steel and produce nickel, which is way worse than the little, insignificant, residue rinse aid will leave on the dishes. Plus you can damage the rinse aid dispenser by using vinegar, since it can go bad and produce mildew
I have never taken that thing out of my dishwasher. I’ve had the machine for two years. I also didn’t know about the one hour cycle. Thanks so much!
The pods just work better for me. I've tried everything but always go back to Cascade packs. I also use the liquid rinse. I barely eve have to fill the spot. It lasts a while.
Me too
Likewise, for me. However, I may be willing to try an advanced Cascade liquid once more to see if the formulation has evolved over the years.
Same here. I used Cascade Complete liquid and it did not clean my dishes. I switched to the packs and my dishes are clean now
I love my cascade pods. My dishes get clean every time.
I agree. I used the costco powder tabs and they would only half dissolve. I also used a rinse aid and did not see any improvement. However I tried the pods and my glasses look so beautiful. Like brand new and sparkling. What a difference. I personally think worth the price for such gleam.
I use the drying agent and I can tell when it’s out of liquid just by how dry my dishes are. Yes I absolutely believe that it works.
the Target powder (the exact same brand as yours, but in powder) I'm using is under $4 for 72 oz box, which is well over 120 loads worth of powder; unlike pods I have powder to use as pre wash also. that's literally just a few pennies a load. It cleans just fine in my frigidaire gallery dishwasher. I even use the 30 minute quick wash for most loads because they typically aren't caked with food and they all come out perfect. If the load is extra soiled I will choose heavy wash, and a little extra powder.
The expensive pods DO work very well but are not needed in most cases, I used to use them exclusively back when I rented an apartment and had a cheap landlord-special dishwasher, so I needed something more powerful.
Rinse aid is just a surfactant, that allows water to slide off the dishes easier- which is not required if you use a heated dry cycle, or have a dishwasher that dries very well.
Rinse aid does not linger until the end if it's included in the pod- so that's worthless. Some of the expensive pods feature liquid AND powder detergent. Since liquid is best for dissolving oils, and powder is best for its scrub action for caked on foods since it has particulate matter like toothpaste- so you get the best of both.
I use the same target box powder, and you're right, it's the most cost-effective one there is. I have a brand new GE profile dishwasher and I use very little powder, it goes a long way. I don't even need rinse aid. My old GE finally broke after 14 years, and that one needed the rinse aid. We stood with GE because we figured the last one lasted so long. On occasion I would use white vinegar in the rinse aid compartment on the old machine. To me it worked the same
I don’t know why but this feels therapeutic.
Hi, i have a two years old dishwasher, so the cycles are different. But i discover if i put just 1 spoon of powder soap and clean the dishes of food as much as possible, i can use less soap.
I use white vinegar in my rinse aid. Still makes my dishes sparkling 😁
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I will definitely try this. Better and much cheaper than chemicals in commercial rinse aids.
I make a citric acid and water rinse aid
Isn’t vinegar corrosive on dishwasher lines and silicone gaskets? My plumber said not to use vinegar in the toilet tank because it would dissolve the gasket over time. And that it would be hard on dishwasher lines.
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From what I understand, that is a wives tail.... Lemon is an acid as well, and almost all dishwasher soaps contain it.
Also, when you run your heavy duty machine care cycle, the manufacturers say to use vinegar.
I donated my old 13 year old dishwasher to a family member when I got a new one, and it’s still running great..... I use vinegar for anything and everything. 🥰
Whether I use one of the solid blocks or one of the pods, I always put them in the utensil basket and never the little dispenser. If I'm using a hard block, I break up the block. Makes a huge difference, especially for a shorter cycle.
Sorry, what you do is incorrect. There are usually two dispensers one for prewash and one for mainwash. The mainwash dispensor only opens when the machine has reached the mainwash (2nd) cycle. Detergent in the prewash dispenser is used immediately during prewash cycle. If you put your blocks or pods in the utensil basket or into the filter area, then the blocks or pods are all used up during the prewash cycle only and no detergent is left for the mainwash cycle.
Best of both worlds would be to put your blocks or pods in the mainwash dispensor and then still add some powder or gel in the prewash dispenser (or the recess in the dispenser lid for some machines).
Another down side of the packs, is that the are only released in the wash cycle.
Meaning nothing going into the prewash dish that allows it to clean half the stuff off before the full wash.
I think most times people saying "my dishwasher doesn't really work anymore" or never did. That prewash cup makes the whole thing work.
People have done videos with side of dishwasher replaced with plastic and not using the prewash cup filled did only half the work.
I live in a rural village with hard water. Despite having a new water softener, I still need to use rinse agent or my glasses come out spotty. I use 2 detergent pods, and I run the hot water before I start her up...I find it makes a big difference, especially with an older machine. Tip: I place the pre-wash pod in the bottom of the machine, not in the cup, to be certain that it's gets to where it needs to go to dissolve properly.
Ya when I do my moms dishes I go overboard and squeeze two packs in holder and one on the bottom and she doesn’t believe me when I say they look a hundred times better when you throw one in on the bottom after putting one in the holder
I'm scared to look in my dishwasher drain, a monster might come out. 😳
I use white vinegar as the rinse aid, works GREAT!
I use white vinegar in the rinse on laundry. Cleans the soap residue on fiber.
@@happycherylc I do the same thing, 😁
You would want to read the manual for that. My previous machine was ok with it but my new one cannot take that but only citric acid.
@@charisma-hornum-fries my new washer manual also states no vinegar.
@@happycherylc So do I
I just got a new dishwasher yesterday & miss the Rinse Only cycle that my old one had (handy feature when we run the DW only every other day). I'm thinking that I could accomplish the same thing by using the Normal Cycle & then canceling the cycle after I hear the Rinse water stop. What do you think??? Also - I have soft water so I use very little detergent, but have still found the need to use Lemi-Shine rinse aid even though we are cautioned not to use too much w/the soft water or it will cause etching on the glasses. But how does one use less when the dishwasher has control of the quantity?
I learned why my new dishes and glassware were looking etched and felt like they had a matte finish. My 17 year old said that I need to not rinse the dishes so well and she was right. I'm a bit of a clean freak so the thought of dishes sitting in the dishwasher for one or two days with food seemed gross to me...live and learn!
Run a quick rinse when halfway full .
To losing dirt and food and soak in the wash cabinet. That would make you feel better. ☮️
How interesting! I have some clear glass that always comes clean and some that are like you said: looking etched, cloudy, weird residue... might have to try that!
It has to do with the soap not being able to cling to food particles and rinse off so when you rinse it it has nothing to cling to and will just stick
The Finish rinse works well for me especially when using powder. My light load setting never rinsed the glasses properly until I started to use the rinse.
My dishwasher was leaving a residue on my dishes that would NOT come off. Period. I stopped using it for years until I saw a Facebook post where they were talking about dishwashers and the fact that in Florida the manufacturers were forced to remove phosphates from dishwasher products (probably other products as well). I read that using Lemi Shine to first clean your dishwasher and then using Cascade Platinum was the ticket. It worked! Now after years of not using my dishwasher, it's working perfectly again. I've been using the little pods (Family Dollar store brand lately... and it works) with the Jet Dry rinse aid. I have never cleaned the filter like she showed. I will be checking that out today. And I may switch to the liquid Cascade Platinum if there is such a thing. Also will be filling the little extra detergent compartment. Thank you!
I add citrus acid just a teaspoon and cleans instead of phosphates
removal of phosphates may be US-wide, not just in one state. Phosphates make waterways grow algae and that very effectively kills fish
The Finish pods have been the best!! Ive used a dishwasher for 35 years and just started using the pods when I got a good sale. I’ll never go back to powder or liquid.
The first rinse with cold water removes starches. If you run your hot water tap and start your first rinse cycle with hot water, you are making the starches stick more. Think potatoes, pasta, rice etc.
Also, using a puck that has washing powder and rinse aid doesn’t make sense… it’s like a shampoo and conditioner in one doesn’t make sense. They serve two very different purposes.
Hi Andrea. I found that before the 4th time I need to use the dishwasher I add a 1/2 cup of baking soda and it cleans the fat, dishes, and dishwasher. In fact, our daughter was thinking she needed to buy a new dishwasher. I did the baking soda alone in a wash cycle and it cleaned the years of fat build-up.
We use pure lemon juice for the rinse aid, works perfectly.
I have always filled both cups. Many many years now... ??? I never realized anyone didn't! 😊 And your issue with the Tide pods and the smell, this is why I got a new washer and went back to the top load. I HATED my front load. Never again. Thought they were sooo much better. That was not at all my experience. Good luck and TY for your tips. God bless.
I’m a recent convert to the liquid Cascade detergent and use as directed, My plumber advised me to switch from the pods as my kitchen sink drain backed up. Luckily it didn’t freeze in 🇨🇦 winter weather. He said the pods don’t dissolve completely and helped create the blocked drain. (I’m on a well and a septic bed) I’ve always run the tap to ensure the dishwasher has a hot water supply right away. I do use a rinse agent. Once a month I run the hottest cycle of my empty dishwasher.
I was also told by a repair guy never put a pod in the dispenser cup just toss a pod in the bottom of your dishwasher cause the pod coverings will gunk up the dispenser causing it to become stuck and not open up and it's expensive to fix issue.
I had to pause the video and run to my dishwasher when you took apart to clean yours. I had no idea!!! It’s clean now😏
My GE dishwasher only had one compartment for the detergent so no way to fill two compartments. Pods are much easier to work with just like pods for a clothes washer. It's a fixed amount of liquid
Great video! Another thing people seem to forget is, cleaning under the black flap in your garbage disposal! Have a great day everyone God bless and stay safe
I clean mine regularly. The black flap just pulls out.
You should use a dishwasher cleaner when the filter is gunky to see if they really work. I've used a lot of different products and always go back to Cascade Platinum. 😊
I have and the dishwasher cleaner is a complete waste of money. At least the one I bought was. Here there is a place that sells products for commercial applications and for about $8./gal. There is a dishwasher sanitizer that uses a few tablespoons in the bottom of the dishwasher and run as normal with the dishes. It smells like a very strong bleach and maybe a bit like lye (Draino?). Works and is cheap. I think I’ve used the descaling solution in the past too.
Same here
Platinum and platinum plus tabs actually clean your dishwasher tub and filter every time you use them, which is why you don’t even need a dishwasher cleaner anymore.
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.Guys : there NO CLEANER THAT SCRUBS YOUR MANUAL FILTER .
YOU must scrub your 3 in one filter system. By hand .
Large mesh filter.
The large round micro mesh filter comes apart for better access and cleaning the filter with a toothbrush.
I clean it every time I use the dish washer for maximum performance.
If not every time then once a week cleaning would do the trick depending on soil levels. Once a month is pushing it. The more cleaner in the sump area and 3 way filter stage the more cleaner your water and no smells.
That is my experience, too. Have tried many and always return to Cascade Platinum tabs - it cleans better than any others!!
I absolutely believe the drying agent is helpful. After one of my back surgeries my husband started doing all the dish duties. He had no clue about refilling of the drying agent when needed and the dishes started coming out soaking wet and a bit greasy. Once I refilled the Jetdry our dishes came out squeaky clean and totally dry without spots.
Yes the rinse aid has definitely helped for me. I’ve noticed my dishes are never fully dry without it, that’s how I know I’m running low 🤷♀️
I used Dawn/dishsoap in our dishwasher when I was 18 and newly married.💞😲😬 Yes, suds everywhere!!!😪😭😆 Definitely learned from that experience!!!👍😊
iv worked in manufacturing, the soap detergent in the packs are the same as the powder in the boxes. powder always worked better, but people didnt want to deal with the mess. the pods are just portioned power detergants. many stores/brands have stopped making/stocking powders which is sad because they are the cheapest option that works the best once u know how much to use when considering your water hardness. harder = more soap. in other countries dishwashers have water softerners built into the dishwasher just to highlight how important that is when adding detergent to hard water.
So is the liquid stuff better ?
My door thing where the soap goes in is currently being held together
With a screwer. Will this effect my washing cycle? Because I noticed it did not open
So I dropped the Casado pod on the bottom of dishwasher .
Could I do the same with the liquid detergent ?
I learned to put vinegar in the rinse aide. It only prevents spots on the dishes. If the smell bothers you it doesn’t stay on the dishes but when you open the dish washer you can smell it. So I guess it depends on how much money that 1/4 second whiff of lemon is worth to you when opening the dish washer
it chages the viscosity of the water so it rolls right off and can dry faster.
PLEASE RESPOND. i have this same dishwasher, bought in 2014. I HATE IT!!!!! i have so many dirty dishes after it finishes. do you have any recommendations? how well does yours clean? @andrea jean cleaning
Yes! Rinse aid keeps a white film off the dishes. Have to have it.
I love the rinse aid. It has completely removed the water spots on my drinking glasses!!!
The white film or spots is calcium from the rinse water. If you have a lot calcium in your water you get a film, not as much you get spots. Rinse aid works by coating your dishes in a chemical that stops the calcium sticking to them....Instead of rinse aid I put vinegar into the jetdry dispenser the acid in the vinegar reacts with and removes the calcium from your rinse water and with no calcium in the water you get no spots....If you try it you may need to adjust the amount the jetdry dispenser injects into the final rinse, but at 1/20 the price of jetdry using a little bit more vinegar is not big deal.
@@THX..1138 acid in the vinegar is hard on your dishwasher lines I was told this by a repair man
@@gaillarocque9097 Yeah kinda BS... First we are taking about a very small amount of vinegar and it's being diluted in couple of gallons of water. Also it's the acid in the vinegar that's reacting with the calcium to form co2 gas. So shortly after the vinegar is added to the water it and the calcium are both gone.... In any case my dishwasher is 17 years old and vinegar hasn't cause the slightest problem with it.
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I spray vinegar before each cycle. Dishes come out perfect!
As a veteran of the dishwasher wars, it might be a good idea to wipe all that film etc into the garbage with a paper towel so it doesn’t accumulate in the drains: my previous plumber also recommended running dawn (small bottle) down the drain followed by hot water to hep decrease gunk/grease build up. And I haven’t checked your other videos yet -so apologies if you have covered this- there is a similar filter in the bottom of your front load washer that get way worse than this!!! Save yourself service calls @$120 each and learn how to clean that out! Thanks for the good content and Pam works great on soap scum
I thought the same thing…I sure would have wiped those larger chunks of gunk into the garbage rather than letting it go down my drain.
Dishwashers have a pre-wash cycle and then the main wash. The purpose of the pre-wash is to rinse the dishes and tackle most of the food particles along with loosening/softening any stuck on food debris. If you rinse your dishes then skipping this cycle is fine. Some of the dishwasher pods actually break down partially for the purpose of adding it to the pre-wash (especially when the water is hot enough when initially started). The pre-wash cycle drains out before the main wash, so any food particles and the dirtiest water is drained away because once the main wash is started it circulates the same water to wash your dishes and if there's a lot of debris and dirty water it just deposits it back into the dishes.
Rinse Aid? Yes!
I also put a few drops (don't need much!) of Dawn in if I'm doing a really large dirty load. Yes, I use packs too. ;)
For the Finish Rinse I use Vinegar in mine.
It’s not only non toxic and helps kill bacteria, it makes No Spots left on your glass items!
Never thought of that. I’m going to try this next time I do a wash. Thank you 😃
Ive heard that vinegar on machinery is harmful to the electrical components. But I try to use natural methods to clean. I’m going to try using the vinegar, because I want to new dishwasher anyway! Lol Thanks for the tip!
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@@Eyes2C. There ya Go! Lol but just to let you know that I’ve being using it for about the last 8 years in mine and use only Castile Soap as our detergent which is completely non toxic too
@@CHACHA-nb7xi Great to know! Love that Castile is safer and that its worked for you for so long. Im switching! Thank you
Do you have a way to keep my Pyrex glassware from being cloudy? All my measuring cups and casseroles always come out cloudy! Thank you AJ! ^..^
Do not leave soap sudds from pre scrubbing your dishes, this will cause the white cloudy stuff on glass. Rinse aid gets rid of the cloudiness
So what you're saying is Cascade complete should be renamed Cascade incomplete.
Lemi shine is absolutely a must for me. Those rinsing agents never work for me. I swear by Lemi Shine. Love it
Liquid gel doesn't have bleach on them, you'll have difficulty removing coffee and tea stains and other similar marks. That's the beauty of using tablets, the bleach can coexist with the enzymes for around 2 years. In liquid form, if you mix the bleach with the enzymes, they are so dead. Rinse-aid is an absolute must. You'll get much dryer dishes and even the racks and wall panels will be dry. If the load is stacked properly, water would just drip very easily due to gravity. Rinse-aid reduces the surface tension of water hence you'll get very little to no bubble marks, hence the shine and dryness
I have found coffee and tea stains don't come out in dishwashers regardless of which type of detergent used. I have to manual scrub those off with baking soda.
I have a lemon tree. Every lemon season I juice about a dozen lemons and screen the pulp. I run the dishwasher empty and on the second fill (the wash fill) I dump the lemon juice in the dishwasher. Nothing cleans a dishwasher (or washing machine) like a bunch of lemon juice. I run the sink first like you suggested. I also have a screen in the bottom of the dishwasher like most European dishwashers do and I clean it before starting the wash. European style are stainless inside like yours.
Do you have a video teaching the proper way to load a dishwasher? I am amazed at how many people get this wrong then complain about the machine or the cleaning product they are using
There are videos of how to load dish washers
If you bought your dishwasher then it must be worth the investment. I’ve only had apartment dishwashers. I never bought the tabs until recently and it was Amazing! I’m not going back! I also use LEMI SHINE which is the main wash. So the tab is the pre wash and lemi shine which is more “natural”. I like the Lemi Shine drying liquid because it’s “natural”. I feel I could make a version of my own if I bought citric acid. Because it’s expensive. But prior to using the pods my dishes would ALWAYS have spots even with rinse aid. I knew about running my sink which kinda happens anyways when rinsing and prepping dishes. I’ve always read directions! I’m going to see how it workers once my rinse aid runs out. CHEAP DISHWASHERS WILL SHOW THE DIFFERENCE. You end up paying for it even though renting. I wash the filter EVERYTIME! I think it’s because they regulate the buildings water pressure!
My KitchenAid doesn't have a prewash cup. I do clean the filter fairly regularly though.
The rinse aid sure does help for clearer, smoother dishes, as for drying? Well I don't ever use the dry function. I just open the door and let them drip dry because I don't need to pay for extra electricity for dishes that will stay in the DW til the next day anyway LOL.
Added bonus is putting humidity into the air if you're in a dry climate like I am !!
I don't use my dry cycle either. I use a lot of plastic stuff and it melts them. Plus it takes too long and uses too much electricity. You might need it if someone in the family has a contagious illness for more sanitizing. As a child I had mononucleosis so my mom used it during my illness. They had advised washing and keeping my dishes separate.
@@annbateman5281 The moisture will go into the air regardless of how fast it evaporates.
My Maytag has a little depression on top of the regular door where the soap goes. That's it's prewash cup, holds maybe a tablespoon.
You can just pour some soap on inside of the door for your prewash. But some laundry soap dispensers have a recess on the lid where you can put it, but it doesn’t really matter.
I once owned a GE Potscrubber dishwasher and it had a heater inside that heated the water nice and toasty before it began the wash cycle. That dishwasher worked very well.
Finish pods work the best for me. Also have to use the Cascade rinse aid or my glasses look bad. Great video!!
Personally, I still use powder. The other thing is teaching people to take care of their appliances... I have had to repair my dishwasher myself and I salvaged a dishwasher that worked fine, but was never maintained. also the main thing with having a dishwasher is water temperature....in order for it to clean properly, the tap water has to be at least 140F. I always tell people to make sure their hot water heater is set properly. even though the machine has a heater in it, its not strong enough to heat the water hot enough to clean the dishes fast. if the machine has a sani-cycle then it will work... on the older machines and now the newer ones, the timer will stop and keep washing the dishes until the water temperature is achieved, then it will continue. the other thing that is important is checking the filters and sump on a regular basis to keep the machine running properly. You did a great job on this video! Thank you for sharing it!
I use the cascade pods and they do the job and I also use a rinse aid. I don’t think it gets the dishes dry faster but does eliminate spots.
Rinse aid helps dry dishes a lot in my dishwasher because it doesn't have a heating element.
Put your dishwashing pod in the flatware caddy. They make them so concentrated now they can double as a prewash and have enough left over to wash in the “wash” cycle. My appliance repair man told us to do this. Cascade Platinum is the only one that keeps our kitchen pipes grease free. The eco/earth friendly ones clogged up my pipes. Expensive $350 plumber bill to clear out the pipes. I went back to Cascade Platinum and have not had clogged piped since. We clean out the filter monthly. We use rinse aid as well. And we clean the machine monthly with a dishwasher cleaner.
I have never read this on the back and never thought of using liquid before. You have definitely changed my mind
Very nice video. I will share. Two things,that’s is a whirlpool made. Kenmore doesn’t actually make anything. They just put their name on them. That thing inside your dishwasher, the screen and filter. Also I think the red cap on the door is for liquid dish soap. If you are smelling odor from your dishwasher, maybe the drain isn’t installed correctly. If the drain in on the cabinet floor going up to the disposal, that’s incorrect. It should be at the top loop at high and comes down to the disposal or drain.
Suds all over the kitchen like an I love Lucy moment!!!
Great video. Recently I had 2 issues with our dishwasher. 1...the pod would be at the bottom of dishwasher after washing tried running hot water no results. 2...my wheels on one side bottom rack kept popping out. Saw utube video where they attached wheels with wire ties. That worked great. What can u recommend for issue 1? Thanks
I wonder what kind of chemicals we are introducing into the environment maybe even our bodies using all these detergents...
True
Well, you are probably introducing less chemicals using the machine then if you hand wash with dish soap. You are definitely using less water with the machine. Most people don't realize how much water they use by hand washing. The newer machines have a great sanitizing setting as well (super heated water, not chemicals) which you are not likely to match by hand washing.
Since I wrote this I have done some research and I think, I am not saying I am right in this thinking, using "septic safe" products are probably the safest products to use for the environment and for our own bodies. Bodies meaning mostly our skin. If you think about it logically...it makes sense.
@@kymberlydawn1445 I would agree with you. Any product that is septic safe should be inherently safer for the environment than comparable non-septic safe products. However, always be aware of the ingredients so you don't inadvertently mix chemicals that combined become toxic.
We clean our filter every week as recommended by our appliance retailer. They also discouraged the use of packs because they can clog your drain pipes. I've also used Tang drink mix to clean my Dishwasher, the Citric Acid will dissolve the crud and build up inside your tub. Thanks for sharing all these helpful hints and making our lives easier and more efficient.
This is the exact advice I’ve gotten from repair guys over the years - Tang and no pods. (And cleaning the filters)
If you do want to get the pods Costco almost always has either cascade, finish or their own brand on sale at any given time and it's by far the best deal.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! For this video!! I had no idea. Didn't take a picture because it was way too gross! CLEAN NOW!!
Technology connections just did a video on dishwashers. I recommend watching that too.
I like to spray full strength CLR into the holes in the water wands in the dishwasher to breakdown mineral deposits that slow down the water pressure in the dishwasher. I leave it on for 10 minutes then run a rinse cycle to clean the wands out. The dishwasher cleaning tablets work the same way.
Rinse aid totAly helps! I don’t use it for quick drying. I use it for keeping away spots. Love it.
Interesting....my dishwasher specifies when using pods to run LONG cycle so that they may disolve properly.... Not short cycle. (Countertop washer). But like you, I prefer gel . Though for the water...
Doesn't the machine heat it for you? If the pods don't get used until the 2nd cycle, can you use the gel for the pre wash?
Years ago - almost immediately - I refused to use the rinse aid. Right or wrong, I kind of feared it leaving a chemical residue which we might which we might ingest, and it just seemed unnecessary. I choose the air dry option, open the door and let them dry in the fresh air to save electricity. 🤷♀️
Extremely smart! I do the same.