F1's dubious reasons for officially rejecting Andretti
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- Michael Andretti's FIA-blessed bid to join the Formula 1 grid has fallen at the last, biggest hurdle - getting F1 itself to actually approve his entry.
And in fact, instead of a simple denial, F1 has offered quite an extensive list of reasons for why it doesn't believe Andretti's Cadillac/GM-supported bid is worthy of a seat at the table.
Here's our take on those reasons - and on F1's admission that it would take a different view on an actual GM-engined Andretti entry in 2008.
00:00 Intro
1:27 Strong fan backlash
3:30 Andretti wouldn't be competitive?
6:14 A "damaging" customer engine deal?
8:23 Not enough name recognition?
10:25 The financial logic
12:08 No physical room?
13:16 What F1's 2028 admission means
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I’m giving up on f1. If f1 isn’t open to any one with a genuine bid to join the grid I cannot see the sport as the pinnacle of Motorsport.
So true
So many much more interesting and more competitive alternatives now: WEC, IMSA, Inydcar, F2, Super Formula. I'll probably tune into the Grand Prix for old time's sake, but my interest - I'm an F1 fan since the late 70s - is at an all time low. Joke circuits, obsession with status, 'show' and celebrities, and money prioritised over the sport every damn time.
@@J3Wbacca sadly, when there is a monopoly, historical actors are always reluctant to share or to accept newcomers. same has been made in european football with "financial fair play" to protect historical clubs, and the project of super league is litteraly the same as what F1 is, a private competition
hasnt been the pinnacle of motorsport for years. its a circus with a bunch of fat cats at the top looking to inflate their bank accounts further. If they were serious about being the pinnacle of motorsport they would welcome serious competition like andretti with open arms. sadly its only about money nowadays.
@@jonathanokeefe9783I agree, if they’re the “pinnacle” they need to help support the entire community and make tracks seem financially viable again. More tracks mean more opportunity for Motorsport for everyone
I think they should honestly take it to the European Commission, like there is a point where it becomes about anti-competition rather then the "security of Formula 1's prestige"
can't do that. If they do so some random Saudi football club will demand entry to the BPL or CL next year.
Yeah, they are behaving like a cartel but what powers to the European Commission have over an American company? If only it were the FIA...
I remember someone saying that Technically Andretti has been approved by the FIA so they can show up to any FIA event and as long as their entry into the event meets the FIA regulations they can compete (assuming they qualify) ... they simply wouldn't get any prize money from F1 for winning ... so, as funny as it would be to see F1 lose in court? I'd rather see Andretti win on the track just to spite F1. ... If the economy was in better shape, this could become a new generations Ford v Ferrari. Does GM/Andretti have the cash to burn to do that?
@soundscape26 Because they hold events in EU they could bring it to court in the EU and sue for being a monopoly. If Andretti wins they would ban F1 races until Andretti is allowed to race
lol european comission is useless for these kind of things, Financial Fair Play in european football for example is contrary to freedom of investment for an owner to invest in his company, but the European commission can't do shit about it
Considering how much F1 has been trying to appeal to the US market in the last 5 years or so, rejecting an American team with a very famous name in American racing backed by a major US car manufacturer is bizarre.
This is why Im scratching my head at the “no financial gain” statement. It’s not guarantied, but almost all American f1 fans would love to see a Andretti over a driving billboard with HAAS written down the side….
I personally hate that Americanisation has reached f1
@user-gs5br6vg7w I hate to break it to you but you also need to be very very rich to get into indycar, as the stages are similar to f1. Saying its accessible is a stretch
Fans: Please give us another team! It's all we want.
F1: No no no, what you want is another street track with no character or excitement
Theyre good for a nice sunday nap!
How does any of this justify Haas's presence on the grid tbh
Haas should sell to Andretti
@@badway420 most definitely
or Stake ... or that second RB team ...
Haas is a joke, I wish Andretti 🤞 gets to be the real f1 heritage we deserve bro!! 😊
@@benjaminblakemore9704 Is Haas a joke, or was Steiner holding them back? ... I want Andretti/GM on the grid, but I'm hopeful that a change in culture will let Haas turn a corner and show some potential again. Look at the change that's happened at other teams over the last couple years. ... Be cool to have a couple American teams, and maybe an American driver, in F1 doing at least Reasonably well.
Andretti needs to take the FOM to Court. Denying them violates EU antitrust laws where it clearly states that an approved entry can only be denied on the basis of safety which Andretti wouldn't hinder.
I am about to go through a divorce, looking for legal advice and thought you would be perfect.
thats not how anti-trust laws work - even in the EU
🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop fooling yourself. They gave the right reasons on which there is no dispute possible.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 you are sp deluded
Exactly where i was thinking off, they REALLY should take the FOM to court
I have tickets for Belgian and Abu Dhabi GPs this year. Gonna buy Andretti Cadillac merch online and wear it there to show my support for the team and my thoughts on this disgusting decision
As if anyone cares 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@gealingeman8643 well I do care. You have to be sure your opinion is important to yourself or we all could end up replying to someone’s comment with cheap trolling like you do
@@77estate yes consumer, consume
just mention how much of a shame it is to anyone you talk to so they know we want andretti back
Fair play man (y)
I’m American. They basically told us today “F**K you…. But we do like your money.”
I am no longer watching this sport until there’s a shift in attitude. This decision is disgraceful.
I'm stopping until either Andretti is admitted, or Stefano is gone.
F1 gave all Americans the middle finger. They should be banned from entering the US. F1 is not welcome here anymore.
F1 doesn't need another team at the bottom of the Grid. It has to become more competitive, besides 3 teams at the top switching places. Andretti offered a measly package and made no case to make a massive move to enter an 11th team and cutting the pie up even smaller is not something you do if anybody just asks. It has to be worth it. Americans think they can move into any arena because bigger LOL give me a break
@@DNGR369yeah then why not get rid of Haas, Williams, Sauber, Alpha Tauri before 2022?
so that means that there should be no competition on the grid at all? get rid of Haas, now get rid of sauber, next up! williams, etc etc. Your logic makes no sense
F1 trying so hard and spending so much money into building the US market but then deny the entry of a giant brand in American Motorsport with a partnership with an American car manufacturer in Cadillac is extremely short sighted and just plain dumb
You Americans act so arrogant and entitled.... unbelievable. As if F1 ows you your own team.... no F1 dont owe that. There are 10 INTERNATIONAL teams, not national teams, with drivers from all parts of the world. Its internationally huge. US is only a part of the world, you arent the F1 world.
It has to come down to a rich boys club that doesn't want anyone else in their private party
They claim that want a US Market...and then do this 🤣
They are braindead mate. Absolutely pathetic decision. It just shows F1 is a joke and there's something very wrong with how it is run.
The Cadillac "partnership" is nothing, GM have made noises about a 2028 PU entry but until that actually materialises, it's not even at the level of a badging exercise
A disgrace. WEC is the best motorsport championship on the planet
Agreed. I've been watching a lot of last year's endurance races and they're more entertaining than F1.
IMSA* 😉
Bop though. Not that f1 is a fair and competitive engineering competition when they can just reject anyone who meets all the criteria to join.
@@arg_9584 along with IMSA of course🗽
That's a strange way to Spell IMSA
When I mentioned to dad that Andretti might be returning to Formula 1, his entire face lit up. The Andretti name brings back so many memories for him and he still gets excited when they race in Indycar. I don't doubt that if anybody could run a racing team, it's the Andretti Family. Not to mention the idea of a Cadillac/Andretti works team is beautiful considering what Cadillac is doing in Endurance racing right now.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Hot take here, if Chase Carey were still the CEO of F1 instead of Stefano, I'm pretty sure Andretti would've been in F1 by now. Stefano is still having that "Ferrari Mindset" where things should just stay "within the family" approach.
Agreed, la cosa nostra. Ross probably would've let Andretti in as well. Stefano is a very unlikeable person, putting him in charge was a mistake.
I think Stefano’s family have the same approach when it comes to making children
Chase Carey was the goat dude I miss the days he was around
I don't understand why f1 is blaming Andretti for being a burden on race promoters when the concord agreement states there can be up to twenty six cars. If these new tracks don't have space for the full 13 teams then that is a failure on f1 and the track promoters not anyone who is trying to jump through the hoops to become a constructor.
they had space for 26 in the 2000s when i started watching
It's all about money. F1 and other team fears that an 11th team will gain more by joining the grid instead giving back more to the competition.
Andretti (in all realistic situation) will not be fighting in mid-field; straight on by purchasing almost all possible components from other teams. Neither Andretti + GM are showing that they are going to be investing money to build new regulation car right out.
All Andretti is showing that they have experience in other FIA championships; they have a deal with PU supplier who will provide them with PUs in future. But now, all they have tweaked version of the F1's official concept car with Alpine PU behind it.
The simple question is what's the point of it then at this stage when regulations are changing in 2026? Why not submit a formal participation request for joining in 2026-27 with demonstrating their capabilities to design the whole car in their factory with GM investing for PU.
@@RitwickChatterjee14 well explained
@@RitwickChatterjee14 Haas was allowed in in 2016, one year before the 2017 regulation change. Besides, there's a limit on how far ahead you can do development and testing for new regulation. Not even the existing teams have started on 2026, yet FOM require the applicant to have something to show for, as well as submit the application in good time. That's a logical fallacy. Provided they have the money to do so (and they do), bringing them in in 2025, gaining experience and knowledge would likely mean they'd be much more competitive in 2026 than if they were to come in in 2026 entirely.
Basically, you can make an argument for most of the reasons the FOM gave in isolation, and it would've been harsh, but fair. But with the way they've worded it, along with how using all of these arguments at once, it just seems spiteful and greedy. It's like they don't want to say yes, because they don't want it to seem like they gave in to the pressure. Schoolyard behaviour from the FOM.
Not allowing Andretti to participate is a clear violation of the Concord agreement whice is a term that defines a contract. I'm sure Andretti will persue the denial in court, which will take awhile. In the meantime Andretti has already constructed a 2024 prototype and have it in their wind tunnel just for practice to learn how to build a better 2025 car. Also in the meantime, I am not renewing my subscription to F1TV as a protest. Money is the only thing these greedy schmucks understand , so I implore those who dissagree with this decsion to do the same..
Really can't believe they used "competitive" as their reason, after the season that happened.
LMAO
especially when we got that "sister team" bullsh"t that somehow able to give "team order" to another team.
Sad that F1 is an entertainment business not a sporting competition at it's core.
Not even good as a business, why wouldn’t they accept the bid and have more Americans watch
It’s a country club of rich pricks not wanting to be challenged in the slightest
HAAS has a F1 team but not Andretti. What world are we living in?
are you actually that dumb? had Andretti tried instead of HAAS, they would be in. but that Cadillac branding is not right and kinda shady. if GM wants to get in, they need to chose a brand that is present WORLDWIDE and build their own engine. as a big manufacturer they have to. like Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault. and on top of that, racing with more than 20 cars would be extremely difficult because of the format. they already struggle with 20 to qualify properly. adding more cars would be asking to have more accidents during qualifications. and to be fair, we can't spread out sessions in time because weather can change and everybody deserve the same chance concerning track conditions, wind, temps etc... it's a logistic nightmare. so if they really wanna get in, they have to accept the rules no matter what they are. they can't afford the F a business just to have an American team. at some point you have to stop being babies my dear Murican friends. if a team was quitting, it would be nice to have Andretti. not there.
HAAS bought an existing team, and partnered with Ferrari on an engine ... did OK, then not so good, then terrible ...
Andretti are starting from scratch... with no engine until 2028 ...
@@davidioanhedges What existing team?
@@kohikappu Marussia F1 - Haas operates out of it's old base in Banbury
@@davidioanhedges Oh, makes sense. Yet Manor still was a team back in 2016.
F1: A sport, an entertainment entity, or a protection racket?
Racket... these days
may be its all of the three.
Yes
Yes, yes, and yes.
No, yes and yes.
What a shit show
Indeed it IS!
Indeed, its another Kadarshian reality shit show. They can watch it themselves, Between IMSA and WEC, there is reall racing for racing fans
@@mbukukanyau Indycar, Super Formula, Super GT, WRC, GT World Challenge, V8 Supercars, TCR, NASCAR. There is something for everyone.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
@@ananastudio exactly. Nitrocross, World Time Attack Challenge, Goodwood and SRO GT3 as well.
It's absurd.
Andretti is everything F1 SHOULD BE.
A team from a country without one, with an extreme amount of racing heritage, A WORLD CHAMPION.
A new manufacturer, new engines, giving chances to new drivers or those who lost their seats - something desperately needed with how long seats last nowadays, sans DeVries.
A new thing for viewers to attatch to! It would have been incredibly interesting to watch Andretti in the next couple years, assuming Max stays dominant. Follow the little team that could, much like how DtS followed haas.
So many potential jobs, potential drama and entertainment and draw.
And why didn't they pull the trigger for a team so clearly dedicated to joining, with the money and history to back it up?
Money.
You can say "it's the performance"
But F1 has no idea how Andretti would perform. That is done on the track, and with testing - which hasn't been publicly released.
Even from there, Haas started their first year ahead of 3 other teams, and by their third year, they were fifth, fighting quite closely with Renault for best of the rest. Why is it so incredible to assume that Andretti couldn't do that - or even do better?
EVEN IF their car couldn't perform, that's the entire point of the 107% rule. The rule specifically put into place in case a car is too slow to keep up and potentially dangerous/a road block for faster cars. The rule that would instantly, fairly, disqualify andretti if their car completely sucked and they didn't put in any effort.
"There's no room on the grid!"
But there is. All f1 tracks need to be able to hold ~26 cars, from FIA Grade 1 standards. That includes garages, etc. Hell, right now, F2 has 11 teams, and they go to almost/all of the tracks F1 goes to, on the same weekends! So that's bs.
"The values and such don't align!"
As I pointed out - Andretti is the name of an F1 world champion. It's one of the most prestigious family names in motorsport, and especially in America. My dad still has framed photos he took while on the Indy 500 starting grid like 20/30 years ago of Andrettis in their cars. Cadillac is also a big name both in racing and manufacturing, and GM is one of the largest vehicle manufacturers worldwide. They are also working hard on making renewable energy powered vehicles, one of which my family has owned since 2013. They have their own racing history, and are also currently competing in WEC endurance races and Lemans.
Let's compare that to Haas, "Visa Cashapp RB F1 Team" And... "Stake Kick" whatever.
Haas is complacent and willingly falling back down the order, with Haas himself refusing to invest in the team and just using them as a billboard - one he'll likely cut off soon once he decides it outlived it's usefulness.
Visa Cashapp RB is just american(?) money lending stuff, and a potential placeholder sponsor blatantly just used to bring in cash and increase RB's profit margin.
Stake? STAKE CAN'T EVEN ADVERTISE IN MULTIPLE COUNTRIES F1 TRAVELS TO! You cannot tell me that any of these hold more values and principles that align with F1 than Andretti.
Or maybe you can. Because clearly, both the teams, team principles, and F1 only care about money.
It's a shame. This very well could have been the most interesting development in f1 until 2026/8.
cry more baby. enough of people liek you who think they have the right to do whatever they want whenever they want. you wanna get in? accept the rules. end of story.
Well, well written comment. You are spot on
@@mattswinford9317 I'm glad someone saw it and thought similarly!
I decided to break down a lot of the common kickbacks people had for andretti since, with some thought, most seemed invalid or arguable to me, but it was hard to bounce from comment to comment.
If the American market is so important, why directly and quite rudely say no to a key American race team?
Because to everyone but the American fans, they have nothing to add to the sport, besides another Itallian name
@@peaceupmtown What a load of horse shit. You could make that argument about half the field.
@@NekoMMDGTS Not really. Name a few that should leave the sport to make place for Andretti. You lot never cared about international sports and always lived in your own bubble (yet call it the world series)
@@peaceupmtownwhy would anyone need to leave the grid? Who left when Haas joined? F1 is delusional if they think denying Andretti like this is helping them “break into the US market”
They want our money without giving us a chance to compete. Americans should boycott the US races. If were not given a shot, we shouldn't give them our money.
Andretti might fail in F1 (same as Haas) but not letting in to even try isn't justified.
WEC renesance comes just in time to slap F1 right into face
Endurance is a completely different target group. The average F1 viewer doesnt watch 24hr races or 12hr races. Stop fooling yourself. F1 is 2 hour race maximum. That suits a MUCH MUCH larger audience.
I watch it all btw cos I truly love racing. I love the background of the teams, the drivers, I watch Imsa, Indycar, F1, Wec, F3, F2, LeMans24. The F1 viewers and long term F1 fans, as I am from 1975 onwards, love the F1 Qualis and races. That doesnt mean they would like endurance. And the constant threats of the 'cancel culture' of you all here on soc media is ludicrous. ENJOY the racing and stop complaining!
Anyone promoting WEC/IMSA over this should read up on how Glickenhaus was treated.
@@Bigchuckers One guy with deep pockets. How about how Cadillac was treated and performed in both WEC and IMSA?
@@alias19 Were they favoured by BOP? Heaven knows the WEC/IMSA car makers wouldn't like seeing a guy with deep pockets outperform them....
Just don't pretend WEC and IMSA really operate differently. It's all for 'the show', and all to make the right guys win and participate.
@@Bigchuckers BOP means that no one is favoured.
This is a joke. F1 wants more fans that are loyal and they pull shit like this. Especially the fact that Haas and VCA RB are tarnishing what an F1 Team is supposed to be. I really hope there will be another option for Andretti.
Loyal? You think American Netflix binge watcher will be loyal? 🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣RB isnt tranished, you are just a simple jealous hater 😂😂 Keep crying
@@gealingeman8643 I’m mainly mean fans coming from Indy and Nascar
you left out Sauber selling out to their title sponsor, atleast vcarb and Haas have a little bit of competitiveness but Sauber is just embarasing
@@DanishWistara at least sauber engineer their own car, from gearbox to earo everything except the engine, Haas buys everything they possibly can from ferrari and VCARB from redbull, VCARB tried making their own and that resulted in a horrid 2022
I wonder if Andretti Sr. will live long enough to see the team on the grid after these repeated rejections from the F1..
Did they say the name doesn't matter when Jackie Stewart started?
Ah yes, the commercially valuable and competitive Formula 1 teams - MoneyGram Haas, Stake F1 Team Sauber, Visa CashApp RB, and the remains of Williams Grand Prix Engineering.
At least Williams isn't squandering their name. Of all the aforementioned teams, Williams is still the closest to its roots, even if they're no longer owned by the Williams family.
@@halofreak1990 I don't know if I agree with that, looking at the entire post-BMW fallout period and the years after the 2017 season almost leading them to destruction before getting bought out by Dorilton Capital.
@@sulphurous2656 Maybe but they atleast look to be on the up as a race team. Haas and Stake are absolute jokes.
Yet @@halofreak1990
The difference is that they were already in before Liberty took control of F1. The rules have now changed apparently.
Really should have brought on Andretti. All the american fans they are trying to reach only have one team to root for who's always last, now the opportunity for a well known team being gone, it's kind of an opposite of what they have been trying to do
haas is barely "american" all of their facilities are in europe and most of the parts used for the car are from ferrari. the only thing american about it is gene haas. Its essentially the 2nd ferrari team.
Andretti would have been a backmarker too, you think in their first year they would make a podium car?
They would have to make a totally new car for 2025 and then a totally new car for 2026 again.
Haas to me is not a American team, I do not support them in any way
They only want us fans if financially helps them, they dont really care about them
@@hanse81 No but they would definitely be ahead of Haas.
also not to mention the fact that there are no seats on the grid for rookies to come into F1 and with how long the contracts that are negotiated at present time it just isn’t feasible to be an up and coming driver trying to get into f1. At least with andretti there’s 2 more seats up for grabs which can allow for a more drivers who deserve a shot to get one.
This might be the final nail in the coffin for me. After already diminishing interest in the past few years due to my favourite drivers/teams being non competitive, the realization that the governing body has no government power may just be too much to handle. With the coat cap and expanding markets I see no reason why another team/manufacturer shouldn't be part of the grid except for greed.
I won't watch it because Sky have the streaming rights sewn up here as well as the broadcast rights. This does not make me want to watch it more.
I live in the US and the prospect of Andretti and GM coming on is what attracted me to F1 in the first place. 👋🏼
Same buddy won't watch this shitty F1 ever again , it's dog shit
Bye
see ya later you part-time fan
@@DNGR369 Nah, I'm a prospective fan. I didn't even know who Lewis Hamilton was until the end of last summer 🤷. Never watched a race in my life until like 2 or 3 races before max clinched in 2023.
One thing you learn in sales is that new customers are much more expensive to get, than current ones are to maintain. Big L by F1 here.
That's it I am done with F1 just the usual closed shop mentality.
See ya😂
Bye, then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
@@scsutton1 WEC is better anyway lmao
@@eledragon then why are you watching and commenting on a video about F1?
🤣🤣 oh you think you are so important
Isn't the Red Bull/Honda relationship exactly the same as the proposed Cadillac/Renault deal?
Not quite but a similar concept
Rejecting General Motors when we have ‘Red Bull 2 - Electric Boogaloo’ on the grid is disgraceful.
they didn't reject GM, they rejected Cadillac. the problem with american brandings is that they're not worldwide brands while all the brands in F1 are! Mercedes, Renault, Ferrari and soon Audi. THEY ALL HAVE WORLDWIDE PRESENCE. it's like Audi coming in with the brand Seat. Seat isn't worldwide brand like Audi is. despite being from the same group.
@@jiboo6850Renault has a worldwide presence?
@@SakoRichards yes! all continents.
@@jiboo6850 Williams, Haas, Cash App/Alpha Tauri. ffs Aston Martin was Racing Point not too long ago. Are those major car manufactures that hold worlwide recognition?
@@jiboo6850 Last I checked there aren't any Renaults or Alpines running around in North America. There certainly aren't any in the US, and they don't race here either. Chevrolet and Cadillac both have teams running in WEC, and Cadillac has been GM's go-to brand for their prototypes for years.
Lol the Andretti/General Motors name not being relevant but Visa Cash App RB and Stake name is…
I totally think Andretti should be let in but your comment has really missed the point
You mean RB. They are called RB, just as MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS F1 TEAM is called Mercedes.
And they are more competitive than you would like. Andretti would be a backmarker.
@@gealingeman8643RB was in 8th place last year with 25 manufacturers points. If that's not a backmarker, wtf is?
As if visa implies racing and horsepower. Evidently not a lot of brain cells were used in the naming process.
@@pauls5745 I mean, MasterCard did sponsor a team in the 90s. Never raced though, but that was due to the structure of the sponsorship.
Considering f1 only just broke into the USA I'm surprised that they would disrepct the andretti name saying its essentially worthless. When in USA it's motorsport royalty more so than Haas.
On top of that, a lot American Racing fans have an idea that Europeans look down on them. saying the Premier American (Mostly) Racing family isn't good enough for F1 doesn't help.
@@The.Fake.Adam.Lulich the Americans look down on the Europeans.... the comments say that they, the Americans deserve their own team now THEY make F1 so popular.... F1 has been huge worldwide before Netflix and the added US races. The arrogance and entitlement of the US comments... 👎
@@gealingeman8643 but it had American help, so what do you mean?
First, I agree the US doesn't need more than 1 Grand prix. Second, DTS has grown the sport worldwide not just in the states. Third, the want for Andretti to join isn't an American F1 fan thing, it's a Global f1 fan thing, the comments on this video and others like it will tell you so. Forth, Both sides of the pound can be arrogant and entitled and both look down on each other, the Jeremy Clarkson attitude is a thing, as is the all Europeans are snob's attitude.
Rightly or wrongly, they exist I was just pointing out that View which for the record I don't agree with, but I don't like your Generalization of this situation. Americans aren't whining about Andretti, F1 fans are complaining about f1's ignorance and Gate keeping. @@gealingeman8643
I would like to start with that I'm not agreeing with the verdict of the FOM, i.e. I (european) would have been excited seeing Andretti (with GM) join the grid. I feel this decision (of the FOM) has more to do with the power struggle between the FIA and the FOM, then with the team Andretti, which is a casualty to this power struggle. Now to my point, the F1 (FOM) is a USA company, the FIA is an European institution. The FIA approved the admission of Andretti, the FOM did not. The FOM, being a USA company, I(EU) cannot understand that they discarded this admission like this, while they, of all, should know the Andretti heritage. So to clearify, it is not the European institution that denied the Andretti team, but it is the American "Formula One Management" group.
If you ask motor sports person "do you know that CashApp team?" or do you know name "Andretti?" who the fucks thinks someone will know a CashApp F1 more than Andretti name in general
F1 went against the Concorde agreement
Fans who go to the races should just wear Andretti motorsport gear and show f1 where the real commercial value is !
They should because I suspect it will prove Liberty's point..
🤣 As if that shows anything lol You Americans dont understand that you are just a part of the worldwide F1 world. You arent F1.....
Nobody would see these shirts between the McLaren/Merc/Max/Alpine/AM /Williams merch in the stands. You Americans feel so entitled... unbelievable! As if F1 ows you something. No they dont.
@gealingeman8643 Europeans calling Americans entitled cause they want an actual American team. Meanwhile the European based organization blocks the American team, while still wanting American money. If you want to see who's actually entitled, you should look in the mirror.
@@I_Hate_TH-cam_Handles F1 is owned and managed by Americans...
Never been more disappointed in F1 than I am today. I hope they feel the repercussions of this for a long time to come; especially from their American viewers.
Oh the arrogant entitled Americans, who think F1 owes them the Andretti team....
Classic American mentality: They will pay with their reputation or lives/livelihood for denying us!!!! You're a psycho bro, low-key
"I hope they feel the repercussions of this for a long time to come; especially from their American viewers" ... and American sponsors!
@@michaeldelaney7271yeah f1 would probably change their tone of a decent amount of American sponsors said we’ll only sponsor with Andretti on the grid or their team specifically.
You are so right. But companies focused on this quarter's bottom line (and executive bonuses) aren't interested in fairness or in America. @@ldcow3948
You know you’ve f up when everyone in the f1 community agrees that your wrong
Every fan is an expert of the highest order 🥱
The current concorde agreement stating that the grid could be expanded to 12 teams against the teams request and that there could be 13 if the teams approved it, also the request also states that all tracks must be able to accommodate 12 teams in the pit-lane as well, so saying that there isn't any place fop an 11th team means that Formula 1 then have deviated against the current concorde agreement that dictates the rules and regulations for booth teams and track capabilities.
I'm an American who has been an F1 fan for over 40 years, and I'm seriously considering walking away. I know Toto doesn't care if I do, but I wish he did. America is such a prize market for F1 and I just can't understand the stance. Will be interesting to see if Andretti brings this to court based on anti competition laws.
I've been watching for 50+ years, and my dad had a couple starts in F1. They are making a really good case for Americans to never watch another F1 race.
You guys have been awesome to have been fans as long as you have. I’ve only 12 years (Vettel and Kimi fan!), but I’m calling time because of this.
Eccelstone never cared for regular fans but promoted a dynamic and entertaining championship, and brought in 5 teams in the 2010s. Liberty was great at the start, but now they’re only about spectacle and ROI, and how they went about this Andretti bid is just a slap in the face as an American.
I’m with you. I’ve been watching since 94 and have never been more disappointed with f1 than these past few years. IMSA and WEC have provided much better racing and are much more open to participants. I’m thinking going forward, if I want to see f1 cars run, I’ll just wait for the historic events at Road America
Boycott these assholes. Don't have races in the USA. Let's see how their finances drop. I believable. I was so damn excited for Andretti Cadillac. I'm not even American. But this F1 shitshow needs to get what they deserve.
F1 is not welcome in the US anymore. Ban them from entering.
Wrong call. Andretti would have got fans hyped instead I suspect this will hurt F1 far more than letting Andretti in would have.
I have no longer have any intention of tuning in this season.
Bye 🤣🤣🤣
@@gealingeman8643 you are the biggest Liberty Media D rider on each and every comment. Its you, and you alone
This looks bad for the sport.
I can't help but feel like Andretti is being used in the batle between FOM and FIA.
Which is such a shame, because everyone party involved in F1 will lose.
Having worked alongside Valentin a decade ago, it's awesome to see how far he's come.
I don't understand how you can look at Andretti/Cadillac against a team like Haas and decide that the GM-backed racing heritage of the former outfit is a worse proposition than the latter.
Can't wait to see Mastercard Venmo Rockstar F1 and DraftKings F1 go though, their racing heritage is certainly beyond reproach.
Its NOT BACKED BY GM...thats the issue, its NOT with a new GM engine.. that is one of their reasons
You mean RB. Thats their name. Simply read the F1 articles abt them, Visa Cash App RB will be called RB. Like Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 TEAM is Mercedes.... And Oracle Red Bull Racing is called RBR.
@@gealingeman8643🫵🤓
@@gealingeman8643 Actually I mean Target Card Apple Pay FourLoko F1 team, who will be known as FL.
@@gealingeman8643 It doesn't have a GM engine initially because their place wasn't guaranteed. Why would you waste millions in setting up a PU programme when you might not have a customer at the end?
If they were really so sure that Andretti would not be "competitive" or "commercially valuable" (whatever these vague floaty ideas even mean) then surely they would not have an issue with having them at least try (and fail) to prove their point?
They don't want a HAAS 2.0, a basement team not trying to gain points. Just leeching off price money. I can see some points F1 makes, but at the same time it sort of doesn't matter. Who cares if they get 3 years of a "peak under the hood" before making an engine. If F1 wants a larger North America base, they need to allow GM/Andretti to join. I think F1 seems NA as a market they can tackle with out the Andretti name.
@@coreytrevor3910 but Andretti is to competitive to do what Haas does though, like the penny pinching. Not to mention they would also be able to pull in sponsorship dollars.
@coreytrevor3910 Haas makes CNC machines and bought some race teams. Andretti is only there to race. that's the company's main priority is to race. GM and Cadillac have been building racecars and race engines before Gene Haas was born. That's all the "value" comparison you need really.
@@coreytrevor3910Haas is just Dalara with Ferrari engine, while Andretti is building their own chassis and soon bring their own PU, what are you on about?
@@bigsmooshflopdong33GM and Cadillac won't be building any cars or engines as part of the 2025 entry bid though
If the reasons are that Andretti weren't going to be competitive in 2015 or 2016 for the reasons they gave, I assume that's they would reach the same conclusion for any other team.
And at that point, why open up the bid process then?
I couldnt give a rats ass about VCARB naming when aramco and petronas are title sponsors. Andretti not being let in is a joke.
We have the RB visa online cash pay as you go team. Who needs Andretti? I just cant wait to put my hands on that merchandise
Nah i got debit doeas not go trought XD
@@alesksander I cant wait for the Steak F1 sauce tbh.
You don't want Stake Kick F1 Team merchandise?
THEY ARE CALLED RB
I'm still waiting on my Mastercard Lola team cap to come in the mail.
F1 might as well say they don’t want any more teams at all. You have a former champions name with one of the biggest auto manufacturers in the world trying to be a works team… what else could they ask for?
He is not F1 champion, stop fooling yourself
@@gealingeman8643feel free to look up who won the 1978 f1 championship.
@@gealingeman8643 1978 F1 Championship top 5 results:
1. Mario Andretti
2. Ronnie Peterson
3. Carlos Reutemann
4. Niki Lauda
5. Patrick Depailler
@@gealingeman8643 You haven’t got a clue about the Andretti name in motorsport have you 😂
@@danielainger8666 he doesn't have a clue about F1 😂
I had the F1 world grand prix on the N64 when I was a kid. The entire fun of it was seeing everyone trying new things, and countries battling it out. This is absolutely disappointing I'm seriously considering moving on.
I love how the FIA have all but admitted their system for reverse cost cap with the team finishing in last gets to spend the most and have the most wind tunnel time is BS and isn’t enough to make any real difference. Otherwise even if Andretti was last for a few years it could catch up. I’m which case lets just get rid of those rules and say only merc, RB and Ferrari are ever allowed to win titles. I’m sick of F1 and Liberty Media.
i feel bad for andretti/caddilac, i swear they are just getting caught up in the constant "stick" measuring constest between the FIA and F1.
They're scared Andretti will win.
No, they're afraid of another scenario, like HAAS, HRT, Virgin Racing, Super Aguri, Marussia or Manor Racing.
Nah, they're scared that they'll get 10/11ths of the money they're getting now. Liberty Media has made F1 into being all about money and not at all about motorsports.
They are scared of anything they just hate how brash Andretti is they'd allow another team if it had an equally strong bid but not Andretti like if it was a pure GM works team in say 2028
@@Dqtube no one believes Andretti will be another HAAS, let alone a Marussia etc.
@@hunterjohnson7393 you have a point.
It’s true, Andretti Cadillac has no viable name recognition… not like Visa Cash App. Only the most prestigious names are to be allowed in Formula 1.
It is outrageous that business comes before sport in sport!
Imagine in 2028 with the GM engine they denied the entry again
Well. I’m out of F1 for now then. I hope this channel will expand to coverage of Indycar.
canceled my F1TV subscription today
The backmarker teams just dont want to finish 21/22nd instead of 19/20th
I used to wake up early in the morning to watch a Formula 1 race well those days are over. Formula 1 doesn't want Andretti then I don't want Formula 1.
What about the commercial LOSS due to not letting Andretti in? F1 is hurting its reputation in the eyes of fans like me.
Really doesnt help the idea that f1 is snobby and elitist for me. Im not watching f1 this season. Instead ill be watching Indycar, and probably imsa and wec.
@@saltyaphid3195 Common Indycar W, although the only fast oval they're running this year is Indy so thats kinda sad. Too bad Nascar ruined Texas for both itself and Indycar
@@craigstephenson7676 losing texas is a massive L it was my 2nd favorite track
@@saltyaphid3195 yeah Nascar put the damn PJ1 on that track and ruined it they shoulda never reconfigured it in the first place
You do realise that outside the USA GM are not a big thing, and Andretti is a very old school name (Mario) or a name (Michael) unknown outside the US and Australia
They are a team to which most people say "Who" ?
i think f1 has officially forgotten they are a sport and not a tv show.
Netflix and Max/Lewis 21 duel has made F1 so much money so fast that when US fans realize the championship sucks 90% of the time and leave to a certain extent it will be a wake up and may rue they don'y have more investment.
So redbull get two teams and Andretti gets none. I feel there need to be a new rule with Sisters teams.
exactly. its Anti-competition. mercedes and ferrari basically have 2nd teams as well with williams and haas respectively
there need to be a new "pinacle" for motosport
The rule already exists but since they begged Red Bull to buy the team about to go out of business they don't want to force them to sell.
@@gonpala there is, motogp
@@supertouring22 F1 and MotoGP are two completely different things ... that's like saying the Champions League is no longer the pinnacle of football and someone point out the NFL also exists. Just because they both use a ball and are called football doesn't make them similar
I think Haas hurt Andretti-GM's chances here. F1 let Haas join and while it was initially competitive, it has only fallen down the table. And now we know that Gene Haas is happy to let the team just bounce along the bottom, not investing in the team, and just wanting it on the grid. This whole experience has left a sour taste in team's mouth and I think we're seeing the result. Combine this with having to further divide up the pie and you get a steep curve to overcome. And is it me or does this statement reek of Wolf's foul scent? The idea that the Andretti name isn't recognizable or relevant isn't far off from something Toto said earlier last year.
Tbh, that’s probably not far off from what’s happening
I was thinking exactly that, they don't want a Haas2 a team that just exists because all the rumors are that haas aren't going to be competitive to even challenge to an 7th spot.
Good comment. I was thinking the same.
@@coletrickIe 1. That wouldn’t be enough to kill the US boom. Most of the new American fans watching probably haven’t watched motorsport in their lives up to that point, so they wouldn’t be familiar with Andretti OR Haas, especially as American manufacturers
2. Even if it would, the facilities and resources are in place at Andretti to prevent that from ever becoming a problem. Haas is complacent with being last because all he wants for an F1 car is a rolling billboard for his product. Andretti wants to not only compete, but win
@@coletrickIegiven how Andretti already have chassis concept rn, at worst they're like what Toyota back in early 00s, ain't no way Andretti gonna be like Haas noway
Is General Motors even going to want to start development on their engine if the best they can get is a "maybe we'll consider it for 2028"? I think its a big gamble that they might just say is not worth it.
Feels really short sighted, when your largest potential new viewership is in the US, have a team with the racing pedigree and name of andretti, plus one of the biggest manufacturers in the world. Insane
Why does the 'pot' that the teams share have to stay the same when F1 is earning more money than it ever has?
I know share holders want the most from their investment but couldn't they invest a little bit into their business by increasing the 'pot' by enough so no one loses out by an 11th team joining
This is what i don't get as well. The Pot (or Pie) could be exponentially bigger - if a new American team captures America's interest.
Oh you can't say the first part out loud, that debunks the bullshit argument F1 Teams are trying to make.
Shhhh, be quiet! You will expose Liberty Media as greedy shady bastards and the f1 teams being afraid of competition!
Share holders are extremely short sighted, they don't care if they ruin things in the long term. There will be more money to be made somewhere else by the time the F1 brand is worthless
They could have spared us the walls of text and just said in all honesty that they simply do not want to dilute the prize money by restoring an 11th, 12th, or 13th team to the grid.
they diluted the money already by paying a PR agency a million bucks to draft that response!
There cant be 13 teams, no pitlane is suited for 26 big cars as they are now....
@@richardcunningham5540 stop fooling yourself
@gealingeman8643 guess you don't do humor and sarcasm...
Funny is THEY DONT HAVE TOO their profots are high they could add another teams worth of prize $$ no problem
I think Scott has been the one journalist that isn't spinning hype and just talks common sense. Never change amigo
They had no problem inviting three news teams into F1 in 2010 despite all three of these not offering anything in terms of success but they deny Andretti a place! I suspect the other teams knows he will be a success and will take some of their prize money away so they have to deny the team entry. They all had no problem with the three new teams in 2010 because they weren't a threat to their prize money.
Andretti might not have been competitive the first few years but there is no doubt there would have been a lot of investing into the team and it would be a successful project later on
Thats why they say, come in 2028 with a GM motor and a competitive car. The other teams and FOM dont want an extra backmarker shaving off the prize money....
So wait till 2028 when GM sorts an engine out
@@gealingeman8643are you really expecting first team can be instantly competitive and challenging for podium? Especially in '28 where teams already settled in new '26 regulation change?
This was one of the most exciting developments in recent years, F1 handling this as they did make them look like clowns. I will not be renewing my F1 subscription. We can have these teams that are permanently in the basement and they aren’t a problem, but a team with this kind of pedigree dismissed out of hand is a joke.
Same won't watch F1 again in my life , seriously they got visa cash fuckin app rb a red bull b team and won't let andretti join is a joke
🤣🤣🤣 bye. You wont be missed. You thinking Andretti would be moee than a backmarker is hilarious
@@GamezDeep its RB.
@@GamezDeep your input wont be missed 🤣🤣🤣 You never liked F1 racing anyway.
@@gealingeman8643 they will be in the middle easy top 5 finish
The exclusivity of Formula 1 has once again been underscored by the recent decision to reject Andretti’s team from joining its ranks, a move that has not only sparked controversy but also prompted me to reassess my support for the sport. The essence of Formula 1, with its rich history and tradition of showcasing the pinnacle of motorsport engineering and driver skill, seems increasingly overshadowed by the commercial interests that dictate its operations.
The rejection of Andretti, a name synonymous with racing excellence and legacy, underscores a disheartening trend towards prioritizing financial considerations over the expansion and diversification of the competition. This decision raises critical questions about the direction in which Formula 1 is headed, and whether it truly remains committed to fostering a competitive and inclusive environment or if it has veered too far towards exclusivity, guarded by financial barriers.
As a long-time follower of the sport, it’s disconcerting to witness Formula 1’s apparent drift away from its roots of competitive spirit and innovation, towards a paradigm where monetary influence seems to overshadow merit and potential contributions to the sport. This shift challenges the very principles that have drawn countless fans to Formula 1, fostering a sense of disillusionment among those who have long cherished the sport’s ability to inspire and excite.
In light of these developments, my allegiance to Formula 1 is being put to the test. The sport’s current trajectory, marked by this recent rejection and the prevailing influence of financial considerations, has left me questioning the value of my continued support. It’s a moment of reflection for many fans who find themselves at a crossroads, contemplating the future of their relationship with Formula 1 amidst its evolving priorities.
It just feels like a bunch of lawyers had a meeting and decided this would be bad for business while completely ignoring the sport.
I think Andretti will end up making a bid to buy out Haas or Aston Martin if the Strolls get fed up
I think Aston Martin have become too big of a team to buy. With the Honda deal signed and their new factory, they have too much invested in the sport to sell
Haas has made it abundantly clear he is not selling the team. With the bad blood between him and Andretti , I don't see Gene ever selling to them. As for the Strolls, They are in bed with the Saudi's. They will own it before anyone. Formula 1 has shut Andretti out completely to the point the said they would only let them in is as an O.E.M. meaning GM ..not Andretti. In the process they have insulted about every race fan in North America. We have cancelled our trip to Montreal in protest.
I get the impression that Gene Haas hates Andretti (some NASCAR drama or something?) and he wouldn't sell to Andretti/GM, period ...
@@sheeshman9713 Doesn't Andretti use Honda engines in IndyCar?
@@keto_writesI am sure Gene would rather hemorrhage money than sell to Michael.
Assuming Andretti forgot the suitcase of money under the table with their proposal...
Oh no they absolutely had it ready to pay F1s absurd $200 Million "anti-dilution fund" which was basically just paying off the teams, and yet the still rejected them
@@AceGT55isn't that Andretti ready to paid 200M and F1 just like "sike, its 600M now"?
Cuz i swear I read somewhere that FOM upping the entry price to 600M and Andretti having none of it
@@drmaulana2600 I think I also had heard about that, crazy if it’s true
I would have liked an 11th team, two extra cars and two more drivers on the grid. But realistically what would a new team struggling for several years to keep up with the mid-field add to the sport and the show? Concerning F1s wording and pretty harsh dismissal that is a direct and understandable response to how Andretti went about communicating and politicising their bid. If anything Andretti can blame himself for a rather aggressive and clumsy strategy. And at the end of the day, Andretti joining F1 wouldnt have added anything to the sport.
Why don't they just officially close the line up for good then?
I can barely think of any other applicants more worth considering. Andretti is a proper racing entity and GM is renowned car manufacturer.
Man I was looking forward to them racing
Bottom of the grid like haas? Maybe join F2
@@tel666999maybe but Andretti is a thoroughbred race team
@@dustinemerick2813 Perhaps, but not a F1 team
or just make an offer for Haas?
@@tel666999But haas, Alpha Tauri, and Sauber are? None of those teams are very good. The only reason I didn't say Williams was because they did quite well for what they had this year. Not to mention Alpine, the epitome of average. I wouldn't be surprised if Andretti joined in 2026 and immediately finished 6th or 7th in their first season. None of those teams are very good and almost every team besides maybe 3 or 4 if you're generous of the 10 are way overvalued.
Atleast we have VCARB, Stake & Haas to look forward to !!
RB will bee a strong midfielder. You are just a hater. Keep crying.
If a name like Andretti backed by General Motors can’t get an f1 entry I guess we’ll never see a new team join f1 but atleast we have the HAAS advertising tractor finishing last every race. Guess I’ll stick to watching IMSA and WEC.
Here in the US we should tell F1 to kick rocks and take their races to Afghanistan. Let's see how much support they would get there. Tell Ferrari and MB to now sell their cars here in the US.
And HAAS was basically the Russian team there for awhile.
Yeah didn't they say Gunter left because of "difference in vision" aka Gene Haas not giving a shit and just wanting to collect a payday?
Andretti already had 120 plus employees working on this too
Now we need an Andretti Cadillac WEC team to happen. Better still if they can poach a couple of F1 drivers to the team.
I would welcome them to WEC + race at Le Mans 24h
No F1 driver goes to WEC when he can drive F1. Only when they retire from F1 they go to WEC, some of them
Cadilac is already in the WEC, but I think it's run by Ganassi there. I'm not sure if Cadillac sells their car to privateers for the WEC either. I know they have a customer in IMSA though.
Be honest what is one thing you like that F1 has implemented in the last 2 years? Anyone?
The aqueduct?
The new regs have closed the grid, now in Q1 only 1sec between P1 and P20. Previous years 2 to 3 sec! The cars can follow eachother better. Great new young drivers on the grid. Records being broken. The racing has been great.
More street tracks, rumors of Sakuka, Spa, Monaco being removed all together for tracks like Miami, Las Vegas and Now Madrid, slower overall cars. Im sorry,
go watch other series man and see what its like, they are making all the wrong decisions, while other series are doing right by its fanbase isntead of trying to appeal to the elite @@gealingeman8643
Visa Cashapp is literally a name on the grid. Such history! Such class! That alone is enough to dismiss the F1 reasons given.
Andretti may be a name from decades ago but it is a name with ALOT of pedigree and relevance in Motorsport.
8:40 Andretti has way more name recognition than Haas or even Toro Rosso/Alphatauri/Visa RB. At best, their name recognition can be compared to Williams, which is historic in the motorsports scene.
Having said that, I'm okay for 2025 rejection, not 2026. That would have been too soon, akin the 1997 Lola team.
The franchise model seems to only be a negative in terms of competitiveness. I know this isn't the audience for it, but the League of Legends North American League went to a franchise model about 5-6 years ago and its only led to the sport stagnating , teams loosing their identities and they stopped trying to compete and started just showing up for the paycheck and branding. I think franchising sounds like a really stable and good thing for sports, but in practice, they only harm the sport in favor of maintaining profit margins
Well you found one member of the audience and you are completely correct, I've been making the exact the same comparison in my head. Close shop and let the ones that are in chill and bottom feed all the while keeping the real and motivated competitors out of your little paradise. All nice well until it starts to diminish the quality of the sport itself, you know, all form (entertainment) and no substance (sport and competition).then all of a sudden it is drama and the all jump ship selling to the highest bidder.
I'm an understanding audience and agree with you 100%. Plus I feel like F1 has always had its roots in engineering. IE who can build the best car for the formula. And by going to a franchise model they make it hard for others to come in and prove (or fail to prove) their skills. For me personally, a franchise model seems better suited to spec cars
Andretti needs to sue F1. Seek to shut them down. This is bull shit.
Only us fans have the true power to shut F1 down. If we leave so do the sponsors!
@@caseymiller3540 True, but we won't. Give it another week, new car launches and everyone's hooked again.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 sue? You are hilarious. Get a grip. They got no. Accept it.
@@caseymiller3540 WHAHAHA your arrogance and entitlement is EXACTLY why Andretti should not be in F1... You think you own F1 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Stop fooling yourself.
@@caseymiller3540 YOU US FANS ARE ARROGANT and think you own everything. No you dont.
With most of the arguments against the Andretti application being dependent on entry in 2025, why doesn't F1 say no for 2025, but let them in in 2026, thus negating many of the objections.
Would be nice to see 2-4 more cars on the grid and a more linear points pool
F*ck the f1! With teams like haas and toro rosso is a shame like they reject andretti
You mean Visa Cash App RB team? lol F1 is making itself into a meme.
@@red5standingby419 They are called RB. Its in all F1 communication. Learn to read. Like Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 team is called Mercedes... and Oracle Red Bull Racing is called RBR.
ANDRETTI WOULD BE THE BACKMARKER. All teams know that. He doesnt have the knowhow to design, develop an competitive F1 car with the current regs. Even Merc has problems. Andretti would be at the back...
@@gealingeman8643 LOL 👌
I imagine F1 would have said no whether it was Penske, Ganassi or any organization that, in time, would be competitive.
Crazy concept for the teams in F1. Limited grid spots, cars need to pass tech, everyone qualifies, and whoever can cut it makes it into the race.
I'm not sure what's worse, the people who stand up for these corporate bigwigs with no common sense, or Stefany F1 management blindness in making no common sense with Andretti's refusal.
Teams shouldn't make the rules about entries that's the FIA's job period.
IMO the FIA announcing the approval of Andretti, months before FOM, was a big factor as well. FIA and FOM have been increasingly at odds especially in Ben Sulayem's tenure.
We need more teams so that some of the drivers who have been waiting for ages can finally get a seat
No we dont need more teams
@@gealingeman8643 why not exactly? F1 in the past had many many teams.
@@gealingeman8643 Your argument is steal-clad. Thanks for the insight.
So a customer engine deal with a supplier who has been working on these hybrid engine since 2013 is less competitive then Cadillac building its own unknown engine now
There is one difference with 2016 and 2025 that they didn't mentioned and it was the cost cap. I don't know how much they spent the but they were open to spent how much they wanted and now they can't do that.
Also people seem to go all in on Liberty / F1 but I believe that they are doing all of this because they know that they existing teams didn't allowed them to introduce a new team under the current terms.