To get a deeper "river" (suitable for fish) glue additional layers of thick boards under where the "river" is going to be power carved out. This would allow the edges of the "riiver" be pre-cut to reduce amount of powered carving. This would also allow the underside to be sculptured
Good idea. Even a fibreglass mould containing a deeper river, with a beautiful timber slab around it. A couple of tiny epiphytes would landscape it well, too. Finally, a contained tank of 50 gallons of water enclosed underneath, including a sump filter would sustain a few very beautiful small fish on the table river quite well. It’s quite impressive what these guys pulled off though!
Yeah this is such a pointless table because fish will never be able to live in it no matter how tiny they are. It was too shallow as it is and then he added pebbles and acrylic. It would've been cool if he 'fixed' the problems of the original and made it nice and deep.
@@McP1mpin yup, fish would instantly die in here for 2-3 days. too shallow. even if he removed the rocks/didn't add them it's still shallow. Also what he made isn't great, it should be going from DEEP > Shallow perfectly to simulate river instead of just it basically overflowing.
If anyone wants to build one of these, I suggest using an overflow drain. That way the amount of water is set by the height of your overflow, not your drain size or pump size. Then, even if you lose power, the water will still stay in the table and not all drain down into the tub underneath
correct do not use this table for fish. If you get a power out or the pump stops the fish will die as all the water will drain from the river. Its fixable, just fill the hole, drill a new one near the river, carve a small channel from the river to the hole just a few MM deep so if the pump stop no water over flows
Yes, making it so that water have to be above some level before any leaves is a very good idea. You also want to make a barrier to keep the fish away from the drain. You also need to provide for a fishtank vacuum cleaner. Some fish don't mind a shallow tank but this is a bit extreme.
Love the build. Improvements I would do- 1) Use a thicker slab or just add a thicker slab to the underside of the table that mirrors the river as it winds around so the river can be deeper. Just make sure both slabs are perfectly flat and when you carve out the river it will allow you to make it deeper for perhaps larger fish. 2) Use an overflow drain to avoid having to deal with timing the pump to the drain. 3) Use a cannister filter that will recirculate and pump the water in 1. 4) Seal the river but dont seal the rocks/base layer down. In the event you want to clean it you can pump the water out with shop vac (or have designated drain holes with removable plugs) and can remove all the pebbles to clean it properly. 5) Make a recess along the rivers edge so you can place a piece of plexiglass over the river and still utilize the table as a table with out anything falling in the water. If you like you can add all the extra rocks and decorations affixed to the plexiglass to give it that special look.
Another detail I would add is to change the bonsai's pot for a teapot, so it looks like the teapot is filling the river with the water (also to hide the tube).
As a saltwater reef keeper for over a decade (we have 250 gallons of live reef). This table is more of a novelty than it is an eco system. I would NOT keep fish in this table for more than a few days. There is not enough room for them to grow. Also your sump that has to have the mechanical filtration (filter sock, activated carbon, and/or GFO) would need to be at least 40 gallons, with lots of live rock or wood, to provide enough surface area for the essential bacteria to build up to filter the nutrients out of the water column. That would require about 10-15% water changes weekly with heavy skimming. Great idea if you are having people over, but I'd have a more permeant solution for the fish. That tote would only be sufficient for about 2 of those goldfish. Also you would need an auto top off system to replace the water removed from daily evaporation. Love the idea. Love the build. Love the look. However it is not functional for the wellbeing of the livestock.
my one thing as an aquarium owner is maybe instead of putting resin over the rocks on the bed of the river, resin over the bottom of the river then put the rocks on top so that they can still act as surface area for benificial bacteria to grow. Also easier access to the pump
My first thought was how bad the algae will get & how fun cleaning it will be, also the hard water accumulation (where I live anyway) would be bad after a year. And yes, it absolutely needs more biofiltration but nonetheless, it is beautiful & inspiring.
I`m an `older` lady - bit of a wimp so have never, ever thought about woodwork stuff. Live in Hong Kong, so don`t have the room for a Fish Table. My son has fish in a largish `fung shui` rectangular tank - so that`s how far I keep pet fish........yet........I haven`t been this invested in watching a TH-cam for quite a bit. Love this❤.
The wood and fish hobbyist inside me are clashing… Incredible build, awesome idea, and I believe if you overhauled this set up with an expert fish keeper fish could survive in an environment like that. HOWEVER don’t recommend this as they’ll be dead in a matter of weeks and you’ll be left with an awesome fish less table.
First thing i though was, damn that is too shallow and is total boat or any epoxy for that matter chemical free not to harm the fish after its cured. Far as i know there is no food safe epoxy resin existing, so i'm pretty sure there isint fish safe epoxy in the existence... Least one that fill the requirements of EU country food safety regulation that is.
@@Hellsong89 true, even then the only fish that could actually live in there without dying (fish are animals too let’s not abuse them) would likely be just a handful of tiny tetras who live in shallow streams
First let me make it clear that I LOVE the table. The video was great...it's was one of this years best. Having said that, the table is completely unsuitable for any fish. A few more inches in depth would make all the difference. I know that would really amp up the complexity of the build so I understand why you didn't do it. I appreciate the disclaimer. I just hope whomever get's the table does not try to keep fish in it.
23:26 he doesn’t keep the fish in the table and says he doesn’t condone whoever wins the table to put fish in it. Let’s hope they listen! It would be cool to see him build one that could sustain live fish. That would be cool
Could have gone way down on the bottom area that houses the pump etc. Plenty of room to go down and still keep the table thin. Also could make "lake" with thick acrylic half ball at the end. Get in professional fist tank guy that go trough the chemicals used so that wont harm the fish and there might be something on this idea.
@SerpaDesign likely will have many thoughts about this. Tanner is all about making beautiful, bioactive, enriching aquascapes that are suited for each creature he has in his care. I hate it when people treat fish and invertebrates like they aren't living creatures.
These are feeder fish… this table is their best chance at survival 😂 but nonetheless the depth is fine! You just can’t house as many in order to do so you would have to either build down or build a boarder around the river and carve in rock characteristics
@@chadkeener2827 Those "feeder fish" aren't fine living in anything less than 10s of gallons for EACH fish. Each one of them will get huge, require large amounts of filtration and water changes, and live to 20+ years if given a fighting chance.
Beautiful work, and a table some family will treasure. I agree with not keeping fish in this one, but you've inspired a bunch of ideas of how it could be made better. For example, using a custom bonsai pot that lets you have the water fall over an edge (helps to know some potters), incorporating a fibreglass pool at the bonsai end to provide a much deeper pool for the fish (hide it in the box under the table). That would also give the fish somewhere safe to retreat to if the power goes out. The fish still could, and probably would swim along the river, too.
My cats would love a buffet like this! And good to know that you're not gonna keep the fish in there. I think that you could if the 'river' was both deeper and wider, but then you'd go into 'why not just buy an aquarium' territory, LOL.
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Clear pond sealer should do the trick for making the water part watertight. Also Neon Tetra would have stood out against the drab browns so much better
neon tetras are a tropical fish and therefore would need heated water so they would need to add aquarium heaters to keep them alive. Feeder goldfish, rosy minnows are cold water fish and can better handle unheated water.
Would be cool to have a super deep, actual live edge river table version of this with an actual waterfall thing so that the “calming pee sound” is the main feature, with a glass or plexi floating table top so that it can actually have stuff on top
Very cool idea and build. It needs to be several inches deeper, though. Also, the first good fist slam on it and the fish will jump, with very little ability to aim toward the water when they land. It does make me think of doing an indoor pond, though. An idea for the filter is to swap out the current filter and put a sponge filter on the pump intake. Cuts down on the cords and will be quieter. You can use a fairly large filter sponge that will do a better job than the hang-on-the back and won't splash the underside of the table, causing eventual damage to the wood.
Can we just take some time to appreciate that John asks if we want to see it built, we all say yes and he does it. Cool you actually listen to the audience
thats dumb, of course he will do it if he asks. thats the whole point of asking. and he asks because that helps him to know if its worth working on. lets appreciate the actual stuff, dont make up stuff just to suck up to a man who doesnt know you exist.
looks lovely and i know youve taken a lot of care but its not something you should keep fish in, far too shallow. The tiktok thing would have put them in then just thrown them away or left them there to die. If you want fish, get a tank or a pond, not a table. Its still a nice looking table with the water but without the fish
If you watch to the end of the video, he says he doesn't condone putting fish in there, the fish that are in there will be put into a fish tank. He just did it for the video.
Table with 2 aquariums on each side and the passageway is the "river" on the table covered with glass on top so you can still use it completely as table; both aquariums' top is level to the table
2 inches is not enough to keep live fish in,(( it ended up less than 1"1/2 inches)) why didn't you just improve on the other one not copy it , build a perspex or glass box into the table to get more depth and make BOX legs to hide the pump, etc, you really didn't think this through or ask anyone that knows about fish, and it shows. Also, you glued the gravel in ??? how are you going to clean the fish poop out?
Gluing substrate wouldn't matter, you could still clean it. As long as the water was circulated then this would've been fine, maybe with some added depth. All of your filtration and oxygen could come from the "River" aspect if done and circulated correctly. Edit:fish don't need a whole lot of depth, a lot of the species we keep as pets come from areas that are/can be flood plains where the water isn't usually too deep.
He didn't make it to keep fish in permanently. It was a cool project, at the end of the video he says not to keep fish in it and that they are putting the fish in a real tank
You realize if you watch the whole video he says he “doesn’t condone putting real fish in the table, he only made it cause people recommended it” he made it for content lmfao no fish are staying in it he said they’ll be going back in an aquarium. Super salty for zero reason.
John, thank you for actually caring about fish care. I see these viral fish videos and cringe knowing that most likely the creators are not interested in the wellbeing of the animals, only the wellbeing of their likes and ego. I could tell you cared even before the comment on making sure to do things correctly. (I hope that epoxy you used was aquarium safe, resins and epoxies are hit or miss with their safety) New Idea: This but with a stump, and turn it into a coffee table with a floating round glass top.
@@KeyboardError_PressF I was thinking the same thing, but if you watch right to the end, he does say that the fish aren;t staying in there, they put them in for the video, but they're going straight into a proper fish tank. Which I was very pleased to hear!!
These fish are going to die immediately. This is a really bad fish tank. I think he cares more than the people in the tiktok videos he's recreating but he doesn't know anything about fish.
Did you watch until the end? He said he's not keeping them in there, nor does he condone ever putting fish in a table like this. They're going straight into a proper aquarium.@@landonhall8305
@@landonhall8305I don't think there's enough water and less water means water quality is going to be crap. You can solve that with more of a sump filter with extra water stores and a deeper river as well. I'd question the safety of the epoxy as well. I know another person mentioned it's for boats that go on water with fish, but those aren't on a very closed system.
If you ever revisit this idea I would recommend using a canister filter it would combine the recirculation and filter into one sealed unit without having to mess with a sump as well.
Technically they could figure out where the river was going to go (maybe not make it so zig zaggy) and they could just double it up with a half slab, so from the sides the table still looks like a regular thickness, but they have the double thickness where they need it. Would be pretty cool to see a 2.0 version.
@@Breezio69 or they could've used a bunch of smaller pieces off of those "crappy" and warped slabs, laminated them following the contour, removed a big chunk out of the top layer and then starting to shape it. That would've been awesome!
As an experienced fishkeeper of 50 years or more, I can say unequivocally that this is a cruel joke. Fish are meant to thrive, not survive; that setup is far too shallow and confined, also fish grow until they die. If those fish aren't dead by now I might eat my words, how about an update?
I am 100 percent impressed. The only issue is if you unplug the table or the power goes out, then the whole table's water will drain into that plastic tube and will overflow on the floor. Unless you get a larger tub to go under the table. Hey, i love your content, keep it up! I have been waiting for this video to hit!
It looks really great. I particularly like how you left the light colored margin along the river. Obviously it really needs to be deeper but I have two other comments/questions: Were the epoxy and other chemicals used food safe? Did you waterproof the bottom of the table and the holes you drilled through from top to bottom?
I think the build is great, but a cool way to make it nicer for the fish is to somehow attach a tank to it and let them roam from the table to the tank. I know this can be hard because of the amount of water in the tank and the potential that it could it drain onto the table. Maybe there could be tanks on either side of the river, between the legs of the table, with the top of the tank coming slightly above the table height. This way the water draining from the hole in the tank to the river is not substantial and then the river connects the two tanks, so they can swim back and forth. They would have to swim near the top of the tank to find the hole to swim across, but it'd be a bit more rare, so you would have more excitement when they do swim across. Having more fish would help your chances of it occurring more often.
What could be even nicer for the fish, is to get the end of the river side of the table going as a delta, and be a "waterfall" side of table, with a full height aquarium tank acting as the table leg on that side.
Slightly deeper with a large tank under the table to circulate from one end to the other like a river. A small waterfall at the beginning could do a bit of aeration. Then you would want to select a different fish. A celestial pearl danio will be small enough and quick enough to keep up with a small current. (Just make sure they are well fed). They also share a close resemblance to a brook trout which is perfect for the river scene.
I personally would have liked to see a deeper void for them to swim and a raised glass cylinder so they could have swam above the table, but very cool concept nethertheless 🙂
Thick acrylic half ball at the end as a lake. On the top i doubt the glass cylinder would work since effect tends to relay on vacuum and if you put hose there that pumps water you break the vacuum, cool idea though. You could make smallish hole for water to drain but be pumped in just as fast, just can small fish swing against the current it would create, i doubt it.
I'm at just over the 11 minute mark and I would highly suggest that the reservoir be able to hold the entire contents of the table and you should have the drain setup as an overflow.
So im glad for the disclaimer of not condoning putting fish in it. The water that the fish would inhabit would not only need to be conditioned, but cycling the filter and bio media (which other than the filter there really was none) would be a must. Also that lil stream is not nearly deep enough… so again thank you from that disclaimer…but yeh the fact that these fish were not acclimated… they hopped from a big box fish store then to this table, then to an aquarium, it would be a wonder if they all survived… stress is after all the number one killer of aquarium fish!
The water system looks like it would be very similar to a few low draw hydroponics systems I've designed, just simplified. Couple things to make your life easier: 1.oversize your drain by a lot, then attach a ball valve to throttle and match the flow rate of your pump easily 2. Drill holes to Guage depth every 6 inches from one end to the other and grade the river by 2%, then make a trough that grades the opposite way for underneath, allowing the water to flow back to the tree side, then you can use a vertical discharge reservoir pump to go straight up from the lowest end of the drain trough. If your rise is less than a foot, this design makes pump required much smaller, and you could possibly use a battery pump for 5 gallon water jugs in the event of a power outage to protect the fish. I have no criticism for the woodwork, I'm a plumber and i know my place hahaha. Great video all told!
Turned out SO cool. I think we all understand that this table couldn't realistically serve as a home for fish. It still would be a beautiful centerpiece in a home just having water running through it.
So, here's a thought that I had - If you had planed the second slab down a bit flatter and then affixed it to the center of the bottom of the first slab, you could have made the river a lot deeper. It still looks really neat, but that would be my only critique, the depth.
For one, welcome back. I don't know if you just haven't been showing up on my feed, or if you haven't done anything lately. I love this idea overall, but many improvements could be made. The river needs to be deeper or wider, just bigger overall. Also, how do you change the filter? Isn't the water just running into the box? How do you stop water flow to replace the filter? I love the tree, you could have done a waterfall filter there like in a pond. Run tubing in the gravel to hide it maybe? I don't know, like I said just ideas for improving this. But I really enjoyed the video and glad to see you on my feed again.
Really not digging that plastic pan part. Someone with a knowledge of fish tanks should have suggested a long UV filter for bottom lighting effect under the table. its a glass/transparent tube with a light bulb inside another tube to filter the water between the two tubes. If done right you can get say 3" profile, run from the drain end back to the return. true water filtration. Then you want a small skimmer you'd change say daily. Really dig the project, just not the detail of the return tray pump thing. The return tray also will get seriously slimy. that tubing under the table will take any piece of light and try to make algae in it (which is why you just run a uv filter from one end to the other. easier to flush. higher flow. Maybe I will make one, when I get a chance. I will say the initial challenge of containing the water in the live-edge is really ambitious.
A UV sterilizer would be a good addition, but it won't do a thing for bacteria and algae that can grow on the surfaces in the main display. You can't use UV for general lighting, if that's what you're suggesting. They put off harmful light rays which is why the bulb is always contained within a shroud. It also sounds like you're suggesting turning the entire underside or length of the table into the UV exposure area which is completely unnecessary and will likely degrade whatever materials would be used to make that custom enclosure. A "tank" volume this size would need less than a 7w bulb to sterilize the water. You're trying to make it way too complicated. In-line UV units already exist and would be far easier and safer than trying to DIY it. And not sure if you're suggesting a protein skimmer, but they won't work with freshwater; only with saltwater
@@G0F15H its been almost 20 years since I was a salt water enthusiast. Had all the expensive stuff. But I really appreciate your thoughtful reply. I was ensuing about a uv filter that yes ran the length under the table Not exposed to the work of the table, simply under in its own box that also would look as it functioned as a center support...where form is over function. I may have mentioned a skimmer but yes, for fresh water I would do bio-balls. I am not a fresh water enthusiast, I but really appreciate that someone didn't disregard my comments. I will admit I would have most likely risked the fish's livelihood for a video and neglected them due to their disposable cost...I appreciate all they did, really some things may have been short sighted if attempted as a solo diy.
I feel like I should be doing this for a living alongside a master woodworker like yourself. My speciality here would be civil engineering, fluid mechanics, and systems ecology. There's also some extra devices you could implement to increase the stability of the water and even make the entire thing not just closed-loop, but sealed by putting glass on top. There is a lot more you can do with this, to say the least. The more you do, the more biodiverse and interesting these tables will become. I'm personally excited to try making a full table-sized block (glued layers) into a canyon with a mini-rainforest made out of tree moss in the valleys. Another fun idea is using the stones, some blue/orange clay, sphagnum moss, and the colored epoxy to create more realistic rivers and riverbanks.
Great video and beautiful table! I do feel like the final reveal was way to short making it feel anticlimactic. Could have shown it off a little longer considering everything we just watched you do to make it.
I feel that way about all of the reveals. Too short, too fast/smash-cut, really don't get a chance to take it all in. It's the one thing they really need to spend some more time on and get the edit right. The AI designed TV Center video had a 20 second reveal. 20 seconds! Five of those seconds had YT title cards on the screen too.
There is a design flaw regarding the box under the table hiding the filter, pump, hoses, etc., under the table. Any maintenance that needs to be done, such as changing filters, water changes, etc., all require the box to be removed for those to be accessed. Instead of a solid box mounted under the table, having just the sides without the bottom or having one of the sides hinged with magnets holding it closed would allow access to everything that would require attention at some point in the future.
@@LordDragox412 he’s not keeping fish in it, it was requested so he made the table. He says “I wouldn’t condone putting fish in this….these fish are going to be kept in a real aquarium” he made it for content and to show off craftsmanship. It’s not for fish. He says it in the video
@@jaexotics I know it's not a permanent place for the fish to reside in. But he still put them in there. Fish are much, much more fragile than you'd think, and can die from temperature shock (even if the difference in water temp is actually very small) or stress. My comment was mostly a joke, but it still doesn't mean that some of the fish won't survive until they get to the "real aquarium" which is not great. Shame they're so small, they'd taste good with gravy and wine.
I made a water feature in our back yard. Two small pools about 3X5 feet, one a bit higher than the other. I used an old water hose from the lower pool with the pump and to the higher pool with some rocks to make a waterfall. It finally turned out pretty good, but getting the right flow of water was almost a nightmare. lol. Beautiful table you made. I think the little fish will be happy in their new home.
That is no where near deep enough for this type of fish specially once you added the gravel. I have seen you do better. I feel sorry for the fish AND sorry for you to not have paid more attention to detail thereby making a sad looking table wasting material and money. I normally admire and respect what you guys do so maybe not copy something someone else makes unless you can actually equal the project or make it better. Just do you and be an original! You do not know enough about fish and aquariums to make this work. Looking forward to seeing a table that's all your own design again 😊
You should trace the river onto a piece of paper and use another layer of that wood to thicken the river which would also make it deeper to house more fish and more water.
Honestly this sounds great, but reminds me of the Chinese turtle key chains. Looks good, but ultimately the animal will die or get too big for the enclosure. Please don't build tables like this.
you really didnt think this trough… I really hope that the new owner wont hold fish in there.. its to shallow, it rly needs to be deeper. those fish will eventually jump out and die. and you really cant clean it properly because you glued in the gravel… Sry but thats rly no good project. Cool thing though if you dont try to fit live animals in there.
Truely awful table. Not enough water for fish no hiding spaces. At least connect it to a big tank so they can explore the table if they want. Not only bad conditions for fish but you wasted a bunch of lumber on this.
Love the design and the hard work that went into it. But also loved the mental health awareness part of it. I don't see that in ANY video or channels that I'm subscribed to. Wish others channels did that, but then they wouldn't show the sincerity and humanity you did. Appreciate it.
When I pictured the Malecki fish table it was less like the orignal river table and more like your cave table. It could be a much more suitable tank-table for fish. I imagined the upper hollow area still pumping water through to keep with the river table idea, but way more bad ass.
Fish thank filters are just containers that force water to flow through/around a porous medium(lava rocks work great). You can use 1/2" PVC pipes and just have one larger detachable chamber filled with lava rock under the table as well as an inline pump for circulation. This would increase the water volume although you may only want to use this for shrimp given the shallow depth
I would personally build this us as a diorama table and add grass, trees, etc on top of hills. That would give you the deeper river and you could add a lake at one end with a waterfall for the air. I think my cats would love it, too.
I'm not sure if you subscribe to John or not but he had some cave tables a while back and that would give a pretty large space to work within. Definately worth checking out the videos
A more efficient way to filter it would have been to use a overflow drain that connects to a pipe that goes to the other side of the table. There the pipe feeds into a pump which pushes the water up into the pot that holds the tree. Fill the pot with filter material and voila, you have a filter that is super easy to hide, doesn’t need much maintenance and the table now can’t fully drain in case of a power outage.
I would have put a 90 degree fitting under the drain tight against the table and have the hose on a slight grade just enough for gravity to do its thing. Then I'd have made an acrylic filter box instead of the storage tote and put it under the return with a bulkhead and fittings. I would install the hose through fittings on the bottom of the side you drilled and tie in a quick connect for maintenance like canister filters. Then you can split the box into sections and fill the first one with filter media. That would overflow into the pump chamber and the water would flow up the return to the table. would be just like a sump. Could even use light egg crates to make the filter chamber vertical multi stage.... straight from the bottom up. Can save on the stronger pump and the need for thar filter.
Be prepared to move the goldfish to a pond down the line as comet goldfish as sold by petco can grow up to 2ish feet long, and live for 15 years with proper care. Thank you for not keeping them in the table permanently. I'd be worried about toxins from the resin, or staining process getting in the water and killing the fish. I worked for a chain petstore for over 10 years. So that's where my info comes from. Years of experience, and having kept goldfish myself.
It would be cool to have a glass bottom to this table to give the fish more room. So the end of the table would be glass so the fish can go from the river up top to an aquarium at the bottom.
It looks cool no doubt but as a table of that size it’s kinda useless. You can sit like maybe 4 people on it. The river design should have been more thought out to actually sit people on this table.
To get a deeper "river" (suitable for fish) glue additional layers of thick boards under where the "river" is going to be power carved out. This would allow the edges of the "riiver" be pre-cut to reduce amount of powered carving. This would also allow the underside to be sculptured
Good idea. Even a fibreglass mould containing a deeper river, with a beautiful timber slab around it. A couple of tiny epiphytes would landscape it well, too. Finally, a contained tank of 50 gallons of water enclosed underneath, including a sump filter would sustain a few very beautiful small fish on the table river quite well. It’s quite impressive what these guys pulled off though!
Yeah this is such a pointless table because fish will never be able to live in it no matter how tiny they are. It was too shallow as it is and then he added pebbles and acrylic. It would've been cool if he 'fixed' the problems of the original and made it nice and deep.
This is a good idea. I also would add a sump.
@@McP1mpin yup, fish would instantly die in here for 2-3 days. too shallow. even if he removed the rocks/didn't add them it's still shallow. Also what he made isn't great, it should be going from DEEP > Shallow perfectly to simulate river instead of just it basically overflowing.
*Bruh why do you keep putting quotes around RIVER*
If anyone wants to build one of these, I suggest using an overflow drain. That way the amount of water is set by the height of your overflow, not your drain size or pump size. Then, even if you lose power, the water will still stay in the table and not all drain down into the tub underneath
This could be a "waterfall" down the edge/table base for water sounds, which another commentor suggested
correct do not use this table for fish. If you get a power out or the pump stops the fish will die as all the water will drain from the river. Its fixable, just fill the hole, drill a new one near the river, carve a small channel from the river to the hole just a few MM deep so if the pump stop no water over flows
great idea
Yes, making it so that water have to be above some level before any leaves is a very good idea. You also want to make a barrier to keep the fish away from the drain. You also need to provide for a fishtank vacuum cleaner.
Some fish don't mind a shallow tank but this is a bit extreme.
technically you are correct however John did mention the drain was up hill so all the water will not drain out of the table should power or pump fail.
Love the build.
Improvements I would do-
1) Use a thicker slab or just add a thicker slab to the underside of the table that mirrors the river as it winds around so the river can be deeper. Just make sure both slabs are perfectly flat and when you carve out the river it will allow you to make it deeper for perhaps larger fish.
2) Use an overflow drain to avoid having to deal with timing the pump to the drain.
3) Use a cannister filter that will recirculate and pump the water in 1.
4) Seal the river but dont seal the rocks/base layer down. In the event you want to clean it you can pump the water out with shop vac (or have designated drain holes with removable plugs) and can remove all the pebbles to clean it properly.
5) Make a recess along the rivers edge so you can place a piece of plexiglass over the river and still utilize the table as a table with out anything falling in the water. If you like you can add all the extra rocks and decorations affixed to the plexiglass to give it that special look.
Nice! Imma run with these add-ons!!!
The plexiglass would be nice. I was thinking about how this wouldn’t be very useful cuz u might get stuff in the river
Solid recommendations honestly!!
Another detail I would add is to change the bonsai's pot for a teapot, so it looks like the teapot is filling the river with the water (also to hide the tube).
Good ideas
As a saltwater reef keeper for over a decade (we have 250 gallons of live reef). This table is more of a novelty than it is an eco system. I would NOT keep fish in this table for more than a few days. There is not enough room for them to grow. Also your sump that has to have the mechanical filtration (filter sock, activated carbon, and/or GFO) would need to be at least 40 gallons, with lots of live rock or wood, to provide enough surface area for the essential bacteria to build up to filter the nutrients out of the water column. That would require about 10-15% water changes weekly with heavy skimming. Great idea if you are having people over, but I'd have a more permeant solution for the fish. That tote would only be sufficient for about 2 of those goldfish. Also you would need an auto top off system to replace the water removed from daily evaporation.
Love the idea. Love the build. Love the look. However it is not functional for the wellbeing of the livestock.
Agreed. Leave out the fish. And put a sheet of glass or something over the top so it can still be used as a table.
my one thing as an aquarium owner is maybe instead of putting resin over the rocks on the bed of the river, resin over the bottom of the river then put the rocks on top so that they can still act as surface area for benificial bacteria to grow. Also easier access to the pump
My first thought was how bad the algae will get & how fun cleaning it will be, also the hard water accumulation (where I live anyway) would be bad after a year. And yes, it absolutely needs more biofiltration but nonetheless, it is beautiful & inspiring.
Thank you. Took the words right out of my mouth. Gravel is for beneficial bacteria not just for looks.
I`m an `older` lady - bit of a wimp so have never, ever thought about woodwork stuff. Live in Hong Kong, so don`t have the room for a Fish Table. My son has fish in a largish `fung shui` rectangular tank - so that`s how far I keep pet fish........yet........I haven`t been this invested in watching a TH-cam for quite a bit. Love this❤.
The wood and fish hobbyist inside me are clashing… Incredible build, awesome idea, and I believe if you overhauled this set up with an expert fish keeper fish could survive in an environment like that. HOWEVER don’t recommend this as they’ll be dead in a matter of weeks and you’ll be left with an awesome fish less table.
First thing i though was, damn that is too shallow and is total boat or any epoxy for that matter chemical free not to harm the fish after its cured. Far as i know there is no food safe epoxy resin existing, so i'm pretty sure there isint fish safe epoxy in the existence... Least one that fill the requirements of EU country food safety regulation that is.
@@Hellsong89 true, even then the only fish that could actually live in there without dying (fish are animals too let’s not abuse them) would likely be just a handful of tiny tetras who live in shallow streams
There is fish safe epoxy how do you thing plastic tanks are glued together fish tanked show glues there tanks with epoxy
@@garywilson331 let me know where I said there aren’t fish safe epoxy/glues out there🤔
Wasn't taking to you the other guy said there isn't any fish safe epoxy around
First let me make it clear that I LOVE the table. The video was great...it's was one of this years best. Having said that, the table is completely unsuitable for any fish. A few more inches in depth would make all the difference. I know that would really amp up the complexity of the build so I understand why you didn't do it. I appreciate the disclaimer. I just hope whomever get's the table does not try to keep fish in it.
23:26 he doesn’t keep the fish in the table and says he doesn’t condone whoever wins the table to put fish in it. Let’s hope they listen! It would be cool to see him build one that could sustain live fish. That would be cool
Could have gone way down on the bottom area that houses the pump etc. Plenty of room to go down and still keep the table thin. Also could make "lake" with thick acrylic half ball at the end. Get in professional fist tank guy that go trough the chemicals used so that wont harm the fish and there might be something on this idea.
@SerpaDesign likely will have many thoughts about this. Tanner is all about making beautiful, bioactive, enriching aquascapes that are suited for each creature he has in his care. I hate it when people treat fish and invertebrates like they aren't living creatures.
These are feeder fish… this table is their best chance at survival 😂 but nonetheless the depth is fine! You just can’t house as many in order to do so you would have to either build down or build a boarder around the river and carve in rock characteristics
@@chadkeener2827 Those "feeder fish" aren't fine living in anything less than 10s of gallons for EACH fish. Each one of them will get huge, require large amounts of filtration and water changes, and live to 20+ years if given a fighting chance.
not deep enough ....
not deep enough at all!!
Ayo,lmao,u prolly right though, I thought the same
that’s what she said
@@tonymakarov6677not funny
That's what she said
Beautiful work, and a table some family will treasure.
I agree with not keeping fish in this one, but you've inspired a bunch of ideas of how it could be made better. For example, using a custom bonsai pot that lets you have the water fall over an edge (helps to know some potters), incorporating a fibreglass pool at the bonsai end to provide a much deeper pool for the fish (hide it in the box under the table). That would also give the fish somewhere safe to retreat to if the power goes out. The fish still could, and probably would swim along the river, too.
My cats would love a buffet like this!
And good to know that you're not gonna keep the fish in there. I think that you could if the 'river' was both deeper and wider, but then you'd go into 'why not just buy an aquarium' territory, LOL.
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Just save yourself the hassle and put a lake in your dining room.
You a problem solver😂
Had a friend that had koi in a livestock tank in her living room. Plants all around and inside. She had no tv. She watched her fish.
Don't underestimate how much you need a chinchilla! I volunteer in animal rescue, took in a chinchilla to foster till I could work out arrangements to get her into a chinchilla rescue. Just as we were finishing all that and I had her in the rescue, my husband asked if he could keep her. Eight years later he still has her, does the lovey, sweet voice when he talks to her, they're best buds.
Clear pond sealer should do the trick for making the water part watertight.
Also Neon Tetra would have stood out against the drab browns so much better
Neon's are beautiful. I used to have them when I had my tank.
No why kill delicate fish
Medaka would be even better, particularly since they’re shallow water fish, are very hardy, and are meant to be viewed from above.
neon tetras are a tropical fish and therefore would need heated water so they would need to add aquarium heaters to keep them alive. Feeder goldfish, rosy minnows are cold water fish and can better handle unheated water.
Would be cool to have a super deep, actual live edge river table version of this with an actual waterfall thing so that the “calming pee sound” is the main feature, with a glass or plexi floating table top so that it can actually have stuff on top
This could be combined with an overflow drain which another comment or recommended
Very cool idea and build. It needs to be several inches deeper, though. Also, the first good fist slam on it and the fish will jump, with very little ability to aim toward the water when they land. It does make me think of doing an indoor pond, though. An idea for the filter is to swap out the current filter and put a sponge filter on the pump intake. Cuts down on the cords and will be quieter. You can use a fairly large filter sponge that will do a better job than the hang-on-the back and won't splash the underside of the table, causing eventual damage to the wood.
John, did you ever think to glue the slabs together one on top of each other to give more depth for the river?
Can we just take some time to appreciate that John asks if we want to see it built, we all say yes and he does it. Cool you actually listen to the audience
thats dumb, of course he will do it if he asks. thats the whole point of asking. and he asks because that helps him to know if its worth working on. lets appreciate the actual stuff, dont make up stuff just to suck up to a man who doesnt know you exist.
Talk to Serpa Design. He is a you tuber in the Pittsburg area as well
Yesss!!! Perfect combo!❤
yeah, if he talked to serpa they could have made a legendary one..
Collab when
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I like him
looks lovely and i know youve taken a lot of care but its not something you should keep fish in, far too shallow. The tiktok thing would have put them in then just thrown them away or left them there to die. If you want fish, get a tank or a pond, not a table. Its still a nice looking table with the water but without the fish
If you watch to the end of the video, he says he doesn't condone putting fish in there, the fish that are in there will be put into a fish tank. He just did it for the video.
I have a strong feeling that those fish will exit the water and perish.
Table with 2 aquariums on each side and the passageway is the "river" on the table covered with glass on top so you can still use it completely as table; both aquariums' top is level to the table
2 inches is not enough to keep live fish in,(( it ended up less than 1"1/2 inches)) why didn't you just improve on the other one not copy it , build a perspex or glass box into the table to get more depth and make BOX legs to hide the pump, etc, you really didn't think this through or ask anyone that knows about fish, and it shows. Also, you glued the gravel in ??? how are you going to clean the fish poop out?
I’m sorry, are you an expert at Fish Game?
Relax dude. Youre typing a comment on TH-cam. Feel free to make your own any way you like
Gluing substrate wouldn't matter, you could still clean it. As long as the water was circulated then this would've been fine, maybe with some added depth.
All of your filtration and oxygen could come from the "River" aspect if done and circulated correctly.
Edit:fish don't need a whole lot of depth, a lot of the species we keep as pets come from areas that are/can be flood plains where the water isn't usually too deep.
He didn't make it to keep fish in permanently. It was a cool project, at the end of the video he says not to keep fish in it and that they are putting the fish in a real tank
You realize if you watch the whole video he says he “doesn’t condone putting real fish in the table, he only made it cause people recommended it” he made it for content lmfao no fish are staying in it he said they’ll be going back in an aquarium. Super salty for zero reason.
John, thank you for actually caring about fish care. I see these viral fish videos and cringe knowing that most likely the creators are not interested in the wellbeing of the animals, only the wellbeing of their likes and ego. I could tell you cared even before the comment on making sure to do things correctly. (I hope that epoxy you used was aquarium safe, resins and epoxies are hit or miss with their safety)
New Idea: This but with a stump, and turn it into a coffee table with a floating round glass top.
didn't he say it was total boat, which should be safe since it is meant for the outside of boats which then are used in water with fish...
@@KeyboardError_PressF I was thinking the same thing, but if you watch right to the end, he does say that the fish aren;t staying in there, they put them in for the video, but they're going straight into a proper fish tank. Which I was very pleased to hear!!
These fish are going to die immediately. This is a really bad fish tank. I think he cares more than the people in the tiktok videos he's recreating but he doesn't know anything about fish.
Did you watch until the end? He said he's not keeping them in there, nor does he condone ever putting fish in a table like this. They're going straight into a proper aquarium.@@landonhall8305
@@landonhall8305I don't think there's enough water and less water means water quality is going to be crap. You can solve that with more of a sump filter with extra water stores and a deeper river as well. I'd question the safety of the epoxy as well. I know another person mentioned it's for boats that go on water with fish, but those aren't on a very closed system.
If you ever revisit this idea I would recommend using a canister filter it would combine the recirculation and filter into one sealed unit without having to mess with a sump as well.
Next time laminate two slabs together to make it thicker so u can make it deeper
Technically they could figure out where the river was going to go (maybe not make it so zig zaggy) and they could just double it up with a half slab, so from the sides the table still looks like a regular thickness, but they have the double thickness where they need it. Would be pretty cool to see a 2.0 version.
Three long skinny slabs. Two for the top, one glued under that for the bottom of the river.
@@Breezio69 or they could've used a bunch of smaller pieces off of those "crappy" and warped slabs, laminated them following the contour, removed a big chunk out of the top layer and then starting to shape it. That would've been awesome!
Must see collaboration with Serpadesign! Real moss, real fish, and a true live edge river table!
Tanner will cringe at this...ahhh, hmmm...wrong way to care for livestock, but...
If anyone _could_ make this concept work, Tanner is the man😉👍
A more typical river table will be a lot more space for fish but the interesting idea would be a tank that is viewed from the top.
@@AlpacaMade
Tanner would never in his life be a part of this stupidity!!!!!
$50 for some shop shades? Cmon Johnny don’t get greedy
Yeah....
As an experienced fishkeeper of 50 years or more, I can say unequivocally that this is a cruel joke. Fish are meant to thrive, not survive; that setup is far too shallow and confined, also fish grow until they die. If those fish aren't dead by now I might eat my words, how about an update?
yeahh, i feel like i could of been done correctly with a nano species... and a much deeper "river"... but those fish are gonna die.
@@geminity5194 And kindly notice the deafening silence from OP
Did anyone else notice the "100 dollars if you can read this sign"?
So cool next do one Where its bigger and deeper with slightly bigger fish 😊
I am 100 percent impressed. The only issue is if you unplug the table or the power goes out, then the whole table's water will drain into that plastic tube and will overflow on the floor. Unless you get a larger tub to go under the table.
Hey, i love your content, keep it up! I have been waiting for this video to hit!
"No fish will be harmed" immediately proceeds to not acclimate the fish 😂😂
It looks really great. I particularly like how you left the light colored margin along the river.
Obviously it really needs to be deeper but I have two other comments/questions:
Were the epoxy and other chemicals used food safe?
Did you waterproof the bottom of the table and the holes you drilled through from top to bottom?
Doesn't matter, in such a low volume of water the fish will poison themselves with their own ammonia
I think the build is great, but a cool way to make it nicer for the fish is to somehow attach a tank to it and let them roam from the table to the tank.
I know this can be hard because of the amount of water in the tank and the potential that it could it drain onto the table. Maybe there could be tanks on either side of the river, between the legs of the table, with the top of the tank coming slightly above the table height. This way the water draining from the hole in the tank to the river is not substantial and then the river connects the two tanks, so they can swim back and forth.
They would have to swim near the top of the tank to find the hole to swim across, but it'd be a bit more rare, so you would have more excitement when they do swim across. Having more fish would help your chances of it occurring more often.
What could be even nicer for the fish, is to get the end of the river side of the table going as a delta, and be a "waterfall" side of table, with a full height aquarium tank acting as the table leg on that side.
Slightly deeper with a large tank under the table to circulate from one end to the other like a river. A small waterfall at the beginning could do a bit of aeration. Then you would want to select a different fish. A celestial pearl danio will be small enough and quick enough to keep up with a small current. (Just make sure they are well fed). They also share a close resemblance to a brook trout which is perfect for the river scene.
I personally would have liked to see a deeper void for them to swim and a raised glass cylinder so they could have swam above the table, but very cool concept nethertheless 🙂
Thick acrylic half ball at the end as a lake. On the top i doubt the glass cylinder would work since effect tends to relay on vacuum and if you put hose there that pumps water you break the vacuum, cool idea though. You could make smallish hole for water to drain but be pumped in just as fast, just can small fish swing against the current it would create, i doubt it.
As a pond builder, tank owner, lifetime fish keeper, and ocassional woodworker, I cant keep watching this.
YES! Completely as fun to watch you build it as I expected it to be. Thanks!
Needs to be atleast 5 inches deep and 10wide and would only be suitable for small tropical fish not cold water like goldfish
You have it tooo shallow to have fish in it
I'm at just over the 11 minute mark and I would highly suggest that the reservoir be able to hold the entire contents of the table and you should have the drain setup as an overflow.
So im glad for the disclaimer of not condoning putting fish in it. The water that the fish would inhabit would not only need to be conditioned, but cycling the filter and bio media (which other than the filter there really was none) would be a must. Also that lil stream is not nearly deep enough… so again thank you from that disclaimer…but yeh the fact that these fish were not acclimated… they hopped from a big box fish store then to this table, then to an aquarium, it would be a wonder if they all survived… stress is after all the number one killer of aquarium fish!
There is no way and nothing that makes that appropriate. That is a horrendous way to treat fish.
Yeah, and he did if even *AFTER* people already said it's animal cruelty and is an awful idea...
The water system looks like it would be very similar to a few low draw hydroponics systems I've designed, just simplified. Couple things to make your life easier: 1.oversize your drain by a lot, then attach a ball valve to throttle and match the flow rate of your pump easily 2. Drill holes to Guage depth every 6 inches from one end to the other and grade the river by 2%, then make a trough that grades the opposite way for underneath, allowing the water to flow back to the tree side, then you can use a vertical discharge reservoir pump to go straight up from the lowest end of the drain trough. If your rise is less than a foot, this design makes pump required much smaller, and you could possibly use a battery pump for 5 gallon water jugs in the event of a power outage to protect the fish. I have no criticism for the woodwork, I'm a plumber and i know my place hahaha. Great video all told!
Too shallow for sure
For the sapwood look, would sanding it a bit to soften the edge of the white to dark give it a further natural look?
Turned out SO cool. I think we all understand that this table couldn't realistically serve as a home for fish. It still would be a beautiful centerpiece in a home just having water running through it.
It looks great. Glad you aren't leaving the fish in. it is pretty, but not for fish = ) Thanks for being responsible.
So, here's a thought that I had -
If you had planed the second slab down a bit flatter and then affixed it to the center of the bottom of the first slab, you could have made the river a lot deeper.
It still looks really neat, but that would be my only critique, the depth.
This is super cool! I'd love to see you do another with them intention of making it deep enough and safe to actually keep fish in. 😊
For one, welcome back. I don't know if you just haven't been showing up on my feed, or if you haven't done anything lately.
I love this idea overall, but many improvements could be made. The river needs to be deeper or wider, just bigger overall.
Also, how do you change the filter? Isn't the water just running into the box? How do you stop water flow to replace the filter? I love the tree, you could have done a waterfall filter there like in a pond. Run tubing in the gravel to hide it maybe? I don't know, like I said just ideas for improving this.
But I really enjoyed the video and glad to see you on my feed again.
You know when they don't put the price that it is to expensive. Regarding the glasses.
love how no one is talking about how common goldfish get multiple feet long
Combining two of my favorite hobbies, woodworking and aquariums, this is too cool
The fact that u made water run through a table and didn't make a waterfall table is insane
I’d buy two pair of glasses to not be in the entry for that atrocity.
Really not digging that plastic pan part. Someone with a knowledge of fish tanks should have suggested a long UV filter for bottom lighting effect under the table. its a glass/transparent tube with a light bulb inside another tube to filter the water between the two tubes. If done right you can get say 3" profile, run from the drain end back to the return. true water filtration. Then you want a small skimmer you'd change say daily. Really dig the project, just not the detail of the return tray pump thing.
The return tray also will get seriously slimy. that tubing under the table will take any piece of light and try to make algae in it (which is why you just run a uv filter from one end to the other. easier to flush. higher flow.
Maybe I will make one, when I get a chance. I will say the initial challenge of containing the water in the live-edge is really ambitious.
A UV sterilizer would be a good addition, but it won't do a thing for bacteria and algae that can grow on the surfaces in the main display. You can't use UV for general lighting, if that's what you're suggesting. They put off harmful light rays which is why the bulb is always contained within a shroud. It also sounds like you're suggesting turning the entire underside or length of the table into the UV exposure area which is completely unnecessary and will likely degrade whatever materials would be used to make that custom enclosure. A "tank" volume this size would need less than a 7w bulb to sterilize the water. You're trying to make it way too complicated. In-line UV units already exist and would be far easier and safer than trying to DIY it. And not sure if you're suggesting a protein skimmer, but they won't work with freshwater; only with saltwater
@@G0F15H its been almost 20 years since I was a salt water enthusiast. Had all the expensive stuff. But I really appreciate your thoughtful reply. I was ensuing about a uv filter that yes ran the length under the table Not exposed to the work of the table, simply under in its own box that also would look as it functioned as a center support...where form is over function. I may have mentioned a skimmer but yes, for fresh water I would do bio-balls. I am not a fresh water enthusiast, I but really appreciate that someone didn't disregard my comments.
I will admit I would have most likely risked the fish's livelihood for a video and neglected them due to their disposable cost...I appreciate all they did, really some things may have been short sighted if attempted as a solo diy.
Looks awesome, but the fish would probably like a deeper river.
I feel like I should be doing this for a living alongside a master woodworker like yourself. My speciality here would be civil engineering, fluid mechanics, and systems ecology. There's also some extra devices you could implement to increase the stability of the water and even make the entire thing not just closed-loop, but sealed by putting glass on top.
There is a lot more you can do with this, to say the least. The more you do, the more biodiverse and interesting these tables will become. I'm personally excited to try making a full table-sized block (glued layers) into a canyon with a mini-rainforest made out of tree moss in the valleys. Another fun idea is using the stones, some blue/orange clay, sphagnum moss, and the colored epoxy to create more realistic rivers and riverbanks.
Great video and beautiful table! I do feel like the final reveal was way to short making it feel anticlimactic. Could have shown it off a little longer considering everything we just watched you do to make it.
I feel that way about all of the reveals. Too short, too fast/smash-cut, really don't get a chance to take it all in. It's the one thing they really need to spend some more time on and get the edit right. The AI designed TV Center video had a 20 second reveal. 20 seconds! Five of those seconds had YT title cards on the screen too.
There is a design flaw regarding the box under the table hiding the filter, pump, hoses, etc., under the table. Any maintenance that needs to be done, such as changing filters, water changes, etc., all require the box to be removed for those to be accessed. Instead of a solid box mounted under the table, having just the sides without the bottom or having one of the sides hinged with magnets holding it closed would allow access to everything that would require attention at some point in the future.
& THEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE! Love your videos...always pushing the limits.
People didn't say it couldn't be done, they said it shouldn't be done due to animal cruelty :|
@@LordDragox412go away
Build a deeper fishy river table! With an edge raised around the river part so you can watch the fish and not spill gravy or wine into the habitat!
Don't worry, the dead fish won't mind a bit of wine or gravy.
@@LordDragox412fish aren’t being kept in it. They’re going back in a real aquarium, so it’s just a (literal) river table. Chill out.
@@LordDragox412 harsh🤣! I wonder if it could be done properly though…🤔
@@LordDragox412 he’s not keeping fish in it, it was requested so he made the table. He says “I wouldn’t condone putting fish in this….these fish are going to be kept in a real aquarium” he made it for content and to show off craftsmanship. It’s not for fish. He says it in the video
@@jaexotics I know it's not a permanent place for the fish to reside in. But he still put them in there. Fish are much, much more fragile than you'd think, and can die from temperature shock (even if the difference in water temp is actually very small) or stress. My comment was mostly a joke, but it still doesn't mean that some of the fish won't survive until they get to the "real aquarium" which is not great. Shame they're so small, they'd taste good with gravy and wine.
I made a water feature in our back yard. Two small pools about 3X5 feet, one a bit higher than the other. I used an old water hose from the lower pool with the pump and to the higher pool with some rocks to make a waterfall. It finally turned out pretty good, but getting the right flow of water was almost a nightmare. lol. Beautiful table you made. I think the little fish will be happy in their new home.
That is no where near deep enough for this type of fish specially once you added the gravel. I have seen you do better. I feel sorry for the fish AND sorry for you to not have paid more attention to detail thereby making a sad looking table wasting material and money. I normally admire and respect what you guys do so maybe not copy something someone else makes unless you can actually equal the project or make it better. Just do you and be an original! You do not know enough about fish and aquariums to make this work. Looking forward to seeing a table that's all your own design again 😊
I would think any filter/pup rated for 5-10 gallon aquarium tank would work. Could use backer rod to fill the cracks
Dude, every European fishkeeper would kill you
You should trace the river onto a piece of paper and use another layer of that wood to thicken the river which would also make it deeper to house more fish and more water.
Who's here from Hopescope? Cool stuff!!
Me too! 😂
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I love how you made the little river. It looks so good!!!
Sick work, John! Fantastic table!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And happy holidays!
nice wood working !
Honestly this sounds great, but reminds me of the Chinese turtle key chains. Looks good, but ultimately the animal will die or get too big for the enclosure. Please don't build tables like this.
River table with fish is cool. Try a pond/lake table with a water fall over a cliff!
I was skeptical about the water depth as soon as he chose the slab. Not sure why he didn't see that immediately and take a double thickness slab.
I recommend only adding baby fish (fry) or shrimplets for that size of a container
This table is not deep enough at all for the fish and the greenery and rocks make it look cheap and tacky. First video of yours I haven't loved. ):
that thing is not even 1.5cm deep lmao
BRUH i been cringing the whole time like dude u did all that work for 1.5 inch depth, like what a waste. DEEPER. Lols.
you really didnt think this trough… I really hope that the new owner wont hold fish in there.. its to shallow, it rly needs to be deeper. those fish will eventually jump out and die. and you really cant clean it properly because you glued in the gravel… Sry but thats rly no good project. Cool thing though if you dont try to fit live animals in there.
If anyone wants to make something like this for fish you need to use aquarium safe epoxy, total boat is not aquarium safe so it could poison the fish.
Truely awful table. Not enough water for fish no hiding spaces. At least connect it to a big tank so they can explore the table if they want. Not only bad conditions for fish but you wasted a bunch of lumber on this.
Love the design and the hard work that went into it. But also loved the mental health awareness part of it. I don't see that in ANY video or channels that I'm subscribed to. Wish others channels did that, but then they wouldn't show the sincerity and humanity you did. Appreciate it.
Careful to never feed your fish...lest they grow bigger than the allotted space.......what an asshole idea!
When I pictured the Malecki fish table it was less like the orignal river table and more like your cave table. It could be a much more suitable tank-table for fish. I imagined the upper hollow area still pumping water through to keep with the river table idea, but way more bad ass.
Fish thank filters are just containers that force water to flow through/around a porous medium(lava rocks work great). You can use 1/2" PVC pipes and just have one larger detachable chamber filled with lava rock under the table as well as an inline pump for circulation. This would increase the water volume although you may only want to use this for shrimp given the shallow depth
I would personally build this us as a diorama table and add grass, trees, etc on top of hills. That would give you the deeper river and you could add a lake at one end with a waterfall for the air. I think my cats would love it, too.
I'm not sure if you subscribe to John or not but he had some cave tables a while back and that would give a pretty large space to work within. Definately worth checking out the videos
bro i rly like it and is there anyway i can custom order this table
Fish: “What is my purpose?”
John: “To live in this table.”
Fish: “Oh….my…god.”
Imagine if you drop your coffee into the table 😂
A more efficient way to filter it would have been to use a overflow drain that connects to a pipe that goes to the other side of the table.
There the pipe feeds into a pump which pushes the water up into the pot that holds the tree.
Fill the pot with filter material and voila, you have a filter that is super easy to hide, doesn’t need much maintenance and the table now can’t fully drain in case of a power outage.
I would have put a 90 degree fitting under the drain tight against the table and have the hose on a slight grade just enough for gravity to do its thing. Then I'd have made an acrylic filter box instead of the storage tote and put it under the return with a bulkhead and fittings. I would install the hose through fittings on the bottom of the side you drilled and tie in a quick connect for maintenance like canister filters. Then you can split the box into sections and fill the first one with filter media. That would overflow into the pump chamber and the water would flow up the return to the table. would be just like a sump. Could even use light egg crates to make the filter chamber vertical multi stage.... straight from the bottom up.
Can save on the stronger pump and the need for thar filter.
While this looks awesome, like you suggested it is not suitable for fish. Cherry shrimp would work well once the water parameters are met.
My favorite part was him telling about the master class he teachs, while he bends the heck out of the saw
Be prepared to move the goldfish to a pond down the line as comet goldfish as sold by petco can grow up to 2ish feet long, and live for 15 years with proper care. Thank you for not keeping them in the table permanently. I'd be worried about toxins from the resin, or staining process getting in the water and killing the fish.
I worked for a chain petstore for over 10 years. So that's where my info comes from. Years of experience, and having kept goldfish myself.
“Wanna hang later?”
“Nah I have to feed my table”
That's the most expensive way to feed a cat.
Now, to take it to the next level. Make a waterfall edge that goes into a large tank. So one end is an actual aquarium.
It would be cool to have a glass bottom to this table to give the fish more room. So the end of the table would be glass so the fish can go from the river up top to an aquarium at the bottom.
It looks cool no doubt but as a table of that size it’s kinda useless. You can sit like maybe 4 people on it. The river design should have been more thought out to actually sit people on this table.