Don't Listen to Music Gurus: NEVER "Play What You Hear"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.พ. 2023
- If you're a musician, you have definitely heard the maxim, "Play What You Hear." This encourages the notion that everyone has fountain of inspired ideas deep down that they just need to train their fingers to execute. In this lesson we discuss how to this jazz-yoda proverb is harmful to your progress and what it takes to actually improve.
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This guy keeps impressing me as a music teacher and musician. His advice is always spot on,most don't have the guts to say these things . And he articulates things so well .
And his humor.
All of this. This is the musical equivalent of living in an echo chamber. If you only play what you hear, if you only cook what you taste, etc., then you’ll only be regurgitating everything that you already know. The epistemological struggle with music is knowing what you know and finding out what you don’t. This is one of your better philosophical videos on practicing and musicality. Cheers!
I've subscribed 7 years ago for great fusion music, then i was hooked up on you'r fb jokes and content, btw it was a pleasure watching people meltdowns 😅And now some great videos coming up that finally break some of the music myths, looking forward for more.
I love that I can always count on you for a completely unfiltered hot take opinion on music and theory, Dani. I also openly acknowledge my respect for both your mental grasp and technical prowess as a musician. Still, words are funny things... funny how differently we can interpret them. As a self taught late bloomer, as opposed to a well educated Berkley grad (which you emphatically recommended we shouldn't do)... I initially approached music by picking up melodies by ear. One might describe that as "playing what you hear". It is a method which I feel helps make the ear a bit of a musical compass. I have also learned theory along the way, but the ability to "hear it" has often surprised me by nailing the theory before I even knew what it was.
This video gave a lot of hope as I'm still struggling to improvise well, thank you 🙏🏽
Extremely true and well formulated. Greetz from Sweden!
Very interesting post. I feel like this one bounces around to a few places. It was very interesting to hear about waiting to feel around for disgust as a counter-guide towards beauty. Probably a good starting point for beginners. I feel like "play what you hear" and "cook what you taste" is still pretty good advice for jump starting people into trusting their senses and evaluation (ie. building self esteem.) Sure, you might end up with a dud doge coin idea, but imo that's where you need to add good risk management techniques instead of fear of failure/mistakes. Great video either way, really enjoy the depth and insight!
Very good speech sir, that's the spirit
This is a great message. Very refreshing
I love the channel!
Music is a language. Just develop your musical fluency and your fluency on your given instrument to the point where you just speak and are able to convey your intent.
Then when you get to that point, think hard about what you're saying and try to make it as articulate as possible.
It's the same as speaking in your primary language. We can all speak and communicate. But there are those among us that are very good public speakers, or comedians, or politicians, people who have honed their language and speaking skills to a higher extent than most.
On the flip side, there are many fluent people who talk and talk, and say nothing at all or worse.
It's all just language skills. Skills can be learned. It's not magic.
Great advice from a great musician You Rock 🎷🎶🎵🎤🎸
"Yoda Jazz Shit" 🤣🤣🤣. Good one! 'Dirty Horse' is a great album by the way. Graeme/South Africa.
Excellent!
In Joe Pass' instructional video he states if your not playing what you hear in your head you shouldn't be playing. In Barney Kessel's instructional video the first thing he teaches is to hum a line from your head of then figure out how to play it. I think what they are getting at is the connection between the mind and fingers. Maybe those guys just approach the instrument in a different way. Joe Pass stated he doesn't ever think about modes.
I would say that most people that are interested in learning jazz misunderstand that philosophical nugget about try to apply it to their own playing immediately. There is a danger in having access to short videos of jazz greats and trying to apply their conclusions while you are at the beginning or middle of your way.
Sort of like an Olympic runner trying to explain how getting in the zone feels and how one completely empties one’s mind and has a feeling of flight. It’s helpful in a vague end goal way but just distracting for someone who’s actually trying to get better.
@@marbinmusic I really appreciate your lessons and music but I don't see your point here. Lets say your at a jam session and you here a lick in your head. If you know its a diminished triad over the dominant chord isn't a good skill (and satisfying) to be able to recognize that and play it? It seems like a similar skill to hearing a sax player play a lick and being able to repeat on the guitar at a jam (I think everyone can agree that is a very powerful skill in any genre of music). I think the point Joe Pass is making is to try to play with your mind and not playing with your fingers, or maybe to reword knowing what it will sound like if you start playing a certain pattern on the fretboard (obviously takes a lot of practice) vs just running up and scale pattern (like a lot of guitarists do on a pentatonic). Maybe if you really develop that skill and have an extensive listening experience in a genre, you can play awesome licks without thinking in terms of modes (like Joe did). Obviously none of us are at Joe's level but I think that's what he is saying.
It's an interesting coincidence that you brought up running because I used to train at a very high level and ran on the same team with a runner who make two Olympic finals and was a running coach for years. I don't agree with your advice. The vast majority of runners will never reach the Olympics or get anywhere close but almost anyone who trains semi seriously for a year or two can reach the "zone" or flow state. I know I did after just a couple years of training. I think an Olympic runner describing that feeling would be good motivation for an aspiring runner. Its an interesting analogy with music, most musicians will never play at a big stage or a high powered recording studio but I think almost any musician who has put in a few years work can sometimes reach a zone where they have a deeper connection with the creative mind their physical playing. I know that's how it is for me, its hard to describe but sometimes my ability to direct the improvisation is heightened and I think that's what some of these "gurus" you deride might be getting at. Obviously it can't happen with a lot of work. That's a lot of the magic of music that your mind will occasionally start rambling of some really great licks. Thanks for engaging in a bit of a discussion and again for the great lessons and music.
@@danielprahl7493 I am not making the point that you should not imagine melody. It’s a critical part of the process and is at the forefront of improvising experientially. No one at a high level relies on mode shape knowledge and patterns.
The point I was making is that when gurus describe their process you have to take it with a grain of salt and that the process of becoming a great player requires you to construct your imagination rather than treat it like a constructed zone that you only need to tap into. A lot of the vocab that Pass “hears” is vocab he has played before. You have to teach yourself how to hear as well. That’s the point.
Unless you are positive that you can earn a living from playing guitar: just make noise. If you aren't a professional it's just a really fun toy. If you have intentions of being a professional: then listen to this guy.
I was not convinced untill you said "fart what you smell" :D
Half baked yoda jazz 😂 🥇
I feel like your advice is another side of the same coin. Then those as you called them "gurus" don't seem to attack guys with opinion similar to yours, meanwhile you do attack them ;) I still think that by practicing a lot you've developed musical imagination and connection of it to the fretboard. So is there even a real disagreement or a need to be contrarian?
I would like to say a lot of things but I'm Italian and it would be complicated to explain everything here on TH-cam comments, anyway, "fart what you smell" was epic!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣Thank you by the way, really good point!
Why the dislike of free jazz? As a personal taste, sure, but why would it be a bad idea to listen to/practice/... objectively?
Also, I agree with what you say about practice. But this sentence you're demonizing has been said to me by an incredibly thoughtful and talented teacher, who was not at all trying to distinguish himself from me. I intuitively understood what he said in a different way than you did apparently.
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Maybe you aren't ready to understand that concept yet.
A musician must be able to internally hear what the play otherwise it's just moving your fingers randomly without telling any storyline with some meaning.
Bad musicians can imagine melody too. The point is that imagining a melody doesn’t make it good or worth while.
@@marbinmusic by itself an internal musical projection does't make it good but it's one of the key elements. Without it, it's just noodeling with chops...
@@TrioAndYou interesting though how these people that can play anything they hear in their head can’t instantaneously play back what they hear Coltrane or parker doing with their ears. It’s almost as if they just play what they know how to play and imagine that they are hearing it.
@@marbinmusic I saw some in new york that are able to play a coltrane phrase after hearing it just once... tbh i think i've seen Danny do that
@@marbinmusic a smart man once told me that if your are making a generalization about people, big chance that you're wrong because people tend to be more various and different than it seems from your high chair...
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A bit clickbait on the title. Play what you hear is being able to audiate something in your mind and then play it. Nothing more. It’s a part of making music a first language. There is nothing qualitative about whether that is good or bad music. Being fluent in a language means you are more likely to be able to articulate your intention when speaking it.
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dont really agree with this. the human brain is capable of coming up with new concepts on its own. thats why we humans are creative. if that wasnt the case humanity would not be where it is today
Youre giving such an awful advice here (after watching the whole thing).
*you’re and no I’m not. Internal humming will not save you.
@@marbinmusic it a critical ability. One of many, yes, but still key.