RE: Singing / Playing -- The singing part is easy. Playing what I can sing on the horn (trumpet)...that's where I struggle. Scatting over changes I don't find hard. I don't even need to know the changes, like scatting over something on the radio. PLAYING all that...yeah...not so much. And I have a TERRIBLE time memorizing now at age 65. I'm a visual learner to start with, not an auditory one, so I already have a major hurdle in the way of trying to commit any given idea of any length to memory, let alone running an idea through all 12 keys. I recall a classic story of Michael Brecker giving a clinic and talking about running melodic ideas through all 12 keys. He was demonstrating this and of course, some wise @55 raises his hand and goes "Mr. Brecker, you've already had a chance to practice all those. What about a new idea?" And Brecker goes "Sing me something" Wise @55 does and then Brecker takes it through all 12 keys.
Im a guitarist and pretty sure this can apply to my instrument also. If you practice this daily and somehow I think you can find your breakthrough point in this skill its just focus to bring out your craft
The more you practice audiation, the better. That I understand. My question is something that I saw in a Barney Kessel DVD on youtube. Once you can hear and sing or whistle the melody in your head, and once you can play that on your instrument, how do you know if the melody you are playing matches or fits with the background harmony that others are playing,? I suppose this means the key or the chord progression.
Jerry Feldman thanks for the comment! Well that is a great question. The trick is to be able to use chords or sounds as triggers for certain melodies, language or scales. So there is a sense of ear training that goes along with chords, harmonies, and progressions. In a sense, “memorizing” the sounds of chords and progressions. Definitely not as simple as this answer, but it goes along this concept.. I touch on this briefly in this video th-cam.com/video/L61rLTcfsLE/w-d-xo.html Plus, ones “taste” has a lot to do with what melodies go with what chords, so the answer is not so cut and dry. It’s all about experience, but first copying what other pros do is a good start!
@@KevinBene Very good ideas for me in your anticipating/reacting video. I needs lots of work on both. I'll use the ear trainer for learning and reacting. For anticipating, I''ll practice improv new melodies over all the standards (common chord progressions) i have in my repertoire by listening to the chords and their progression. I do have to break the habit of reading a headsheet. Once i memorized the progression, I'm going to throw away the headsheet, or at least not look at it..
So is it harder with perfect pitch? I have it, so I’m always focused on the notes instead of the sound. Would this work for me or would I need to modify something?
Amazing video! Just a few notes on singing while playing: i oftentimes have the difficulty of singing what I am randomly playing, not singing the things i hear in my mind first and then playing them with a slight delay while improvising. Its like my singing voice gets pulled by the playing i do and then its no longer the content i have in my mind... How to overcome that in this scenario? Edit: I should have waited till the end :D but it still probably takes a long time, i already hear awesome melodies its juet hard to keep the focus on the melody inside the head when playing
Great comment, thanks! What helps is trying to really isolate the melodies you hear in your head away from improvising and figure them out on your horn. So if you are practicing improvising and a melody pops in your head, stop everything and try to figure out that melody. That may help, hopefully it's clear.
@@KevinBene Thanks for your comment! I am already doing what you mentioned and its working fine (I am actually a guitarist and playing the melodies on guitar), but in actual playing situations to focus just on the melody is the hard part...Guess it really comes down to doing it often enough and switching back and forth from singing while playing, tuning into the mind and just playing the melody after I sung it out (in the mind or vocally)
RE: Singing / Playing -- The singing part is easy. Playing what I can sing on the horn (trumpet)...that's where I struggle. Scatting over changes I don't find hard. I don't even need to know the changes, like scatting over something on the radio. PLAYING all that...yeah...not so much. And I have a TERRIBLE time memorizing now at age 65. I'm a visual learner to start with, not an auditory one, so I already have a major hurdle in the way of trying to commit any given idea of any length to memory, let alone running an idea through all 12 keys. I recall a classic story of Michael Brecker giving a clinic and talking about running melodic ideas through all 12 keys. He was demonstrating this and of course, some wise @55 raises his hand and goes "Mr. Brecker, you've already had a chance to practice all those. What about a new idea?" And Brecker goes "Sing me something" Wise @55 does and then Brecker takes it through all 12 keys.
the only person who could explain this concept on this damn website
Well thanks!
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Yes, I discovered this some months ago. It is great to create variations just by thinking them instead of singing them. Inner voice!
You are very good explaining your points, I really don't know why this videos have so few views. Keep doing your videos please!
Arondoly Matamoros thanks so much for the support!
Im a guitarist and pretty sure this can apply to my instrument also. If you practice this daily and somehow I think you can find your breakthrough point in this skill its just focus to bring out your craft
Definitely!
I play guitar & trumpet and It’s actually far easier on guitar b/c you can hum out loud as you play,
as he alluded to…
very informative indeed but can we also appreciate how beautiful his eyes are
Thank you! 😉☺️
The more you practice audiation, the better. That I understand. My question is something that I saw in a Barney Kessel DVD on youtube. Once you can hear and sing or whistle the melody in your head, and once you can play that on your instrument, how do you know if the melody you are playing matches or fits with the background harmony that others are playing,? I suppose this means the key or the chord progression.
Jerry Feldman thanks for the comment! Well that is a great question. The trick is to be able to use chords or sounds as triggers for certain melodies, language or scales. So there is a sense of ear training that goes along with chords, harmonies, and progressions. In a sense, “memorizing” the sounds of chords and progressions. Definitely not as simple as this answer, but it goes along this concept.. I touch on this briefly in this video th-cam.com/video/L61rLTcfsLE/w-d-xo.html Plus, ones “taste” has a lot to do with what melodies go with what chords, so the answer is not so cut and dry. It’s all about experience, but first copying what other pros do is a good start!
@@KevinBene Very good ideas for me in your anticipating/reacting video. I needs lots of work on both. I'll use the ear trainer for learning and reacting. For anticipating, I''ll practice improv new melodies over all the standards (common chord progressions) i have in my repertoire by listening to the chords and their progression. I do have to break the habit of reading a headsheet. Once i memorized the progression, I'm going to throw away the headsheet, or at least not look at it..
Jerry Feldman sounds great! Good plan, happy practicing 🎶😎
What an amazing video! Thank you very much!
Thank you for letting me know!
So is it harder with perfect pitch? I have it, so I’m always focused on the notes instead of the sound. Would this work for me or would I need to modify something?
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Amazing video! Just a few notes on singing while playing: i oftentimes have the difficulty of singing what I am randomly playing, not singing the things i hear in my mind first and then playing them with a slight delay while improvising. Its like my singing voice gets pulled by the playing i do and then its no longer the content i have in my mind... How to overcome that in this scenario?
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I should have waited till the end :D but it still probably takes a long time, i already hear awesome melodies its juet hard to keep the focus on the melody inside the head when playing
Great comment, thanks! What helps is trying to really isolate the melodies you hear in your head away from improvising and figure them out on your horn. So if you are practicing improvising and a melody pops in your head, stop everything and try to figure out that melody. That may help, hopefully it's clear.
@@KevinBene Thanks for your comment! I am already doing what you mentioned and its working fine (I am actually a guitarist and playing the melodies on guitar), but in actual playing situations to focus just on the melody is the hard part...Guess it really comes down to doing it often enough and switching back and forth from singing while playing, tuning into the mind and just playing the melody after I sung it out (in the mind or vocally)
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Wow, thanks so much!