India should go for a larger order of Su 57 and convert AMCA into a Sixth Generation Fighter Aircraft, focusing on Adaptive Cycle Engines and AI based and network centric Warfare with each AMCA being optionally manned and capable of commanding drones and loyal wingman. We can't be lagging behind in technology.
"DATRAN' engines are on track, a very great news 👌👌👌👌 Because of it, India will have it's own Tank which will be actually a true Indian tank. Hopes are high for FMBT............
@@vaimurthy you know su30 was involved in the attack and were there for support but the pakistan's reaction time was faster so they tried to avoid dog fight even tho one mig21 had to involve in it and managed to take down one f16
@@shoto3612 Su 30 is our prime jet. We know that PAF is going to attack after Balakot. Still Su 30 was not able to shoot F16 and JF17 which puts question mark over its ability to stop future attacks. Simple reason is poor radar in Su 30 and pathetic range of its BVR missiles.
@@shibamsingh4814Nope it doesn't happen like that, Pakistan is now close to China and Russia both, so US Pakistan relations are not very good. But yah in future if India becomes stronger then US might create some problems for us, but China by then will be as strong as US, so I believe US will need us at that time
There are few squadrons of earlier Su-30K which India had procured, why not upgrade them as much as possible in avionics and donate them to Armenia, Replace these either with Tejas Mk2 or Su-57
Those Su30k we already returned those back to Russia way back in 20007/8 & after that those Su30K were delivered to Belarus Airforce by Russia with certain modification in 2009/10
The ramjet ammo IIT madras is developing, Norway is also working on artillery Ramjet to send the shells at 150km distance. We need ramjet in such segments too, apparently Future warfare is Long Distance Shells with Ramjet & loiter munitions / Stealth vehicles/ Drones/ Ai based Software powering the systems.
After pulling out of the FGFA programme with Russia we are now back to evaluating the same jet as a stop gap solution. Imagine if India had remained invested in FGFA then we would have had a large number of Su57s and Pakistan wouldn't even be thinking of taking on IAF. Instead we opted out of it and continued debating on which jet to buy under MRFA as we have been doing for more than 2 decades.
We spend more money on development of fgfa program with a condition of technology transfer but russia refused at the end. So continuing with that project is a huge loss for India. If we want more su57 then we can purchase it directly from Russia, no need to be a part of that development program.
Bharat immediately purchase at least 4 squadrons (72 units) of SU-57 aircraft to counter China and Pakistan in a 2 front war situation. We have to be prepared with every alternatives because still AMCA is a dream, so for instant reaction SU-57 is the best. Jai Hind Jai Bharat Bharat Mata Ki Jai 🇮🇳 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🏻
For all the current fighter jets, we must integrate Towed decoy system like F-35's ALE-70 towed decoy device, also towed decoy system like TB-14A and a signal generator like AN/SLQ-25 Nixie towed decoy system, should be a countermeasure system provided to all the IAF fighter aircrafts. Jai Hind🇮🇳🇮🇳
Every jet has its own sizes customisation and compatibility limits we can't use together the way u r thinking moreover jet engines are very expensive and not a single country is ready to deliver them to india on urgent basis
Operational complexity will arise as all jets need pilots, ground staff, maintenance crew to be trained and different equipment is needed too. This will hamper the serice operability in the long run
Is the Su-57 a viable option for the IAF? What is its success rate and maintenance record? Will the IAF be able to avoid the sanctions and delays in aircraft from Russia? There has already been several delays in other Ground, Naval and Air procurement. Can it be made available faster than the Rafale platforms?
Yes indian pilots know how to fly heavy jets. Succes rate can be seen in both syria and ukraine. We can say su57 is the only 5th gen jet which is battle tested. New Al51 engine has highesr service hours in the world and is fully FADEC technology, so NO issue in maintainence. Su57 delivery for russia will be over in 2028 after which 14 su57 will be delivered to algeria and then india so delivery can begin late 2028, earlier than rafale. So yes a viable choice
Instead of limited orders of Su57 we should invest in Su75 as Russia already has experience of building Su57 and we could make Su75 more potent with 6th Gen technology if collaborated.
@@badlav120 Yeah that’s also an issue, as they’re engaged in a war. But it won’t take 12 years as everything is already done in Su57 from engine to stealth.
India should assemble it in our assembly line of SU 30 MKI. With Indian missions computer integrating our systems developed for AMCA and also Indian weapons. Reply
Some local media houses have told that su57 deal was in discussion since PM modi visit to russia in july but final deal will begin when ukraine war is over. Most probably next year when putin will visit india. Hope for the best.
probably just as well since this new aircraft will have a bunch of bugs that hopefully the Russians will fix between now and then. ...and that's assuming the Russia-Ukraine war comes to an end.
Su 57 is now operational so Indians can buy 36-42 aircraft and Indian pilots are also used to Russian fighters so I think there will be no issue to operate it.
Su-57s have been produced under a decent pace. Equipment issue were faced, but as a stop gap last year, china was used as a mediator to buy critical parts while Russia developed a solution.
India must attach a clause for hot core technology and a possible shift of production facility to India in any event of manufacturing disruption owing to the current ukraine conflict along with any SU57 order.
They were doing the delay on purpose. Finally what i knew for 5 years has happened. Russian kabad hi lena tha toh pehle hi le lete, 5 saal nikal gaya ab delivery mei kitne saal lagenge pata nahi.
No need for Su 57 procurement. Focus on all efforts in upgradation of entire su 30 mki fleek to Super Sukhoi levels as soon as possible since it would be kind of Stealth killer jets . Next focus on upgradation of Existing Rafael jets to Super Rafael. Consider su 57. only as an option if Russia readily aggrees for joint manufacturing of Su 57 in India's. Production line. Since Russian production line is now at its weakest till now with only delivering 24 Su 57 to the Russian air force till now.
I understand some opinions that Varying the fighter jet can be a good thing rather than over reliance on Russian makes, as China has Russian make jets to understand their working and plan upon their weaknesses. But in short term till we can get our own AMCA up in the air, we can mitigate Risk factors with SU-57s. Moreover its The Indian way that any jet that has entered our service has been tuned upgraded and modeled to work best for our forces and I remember reading a report that states SU 30MKI is the most versatile version of SU 30's. If we can Indianize the SU-57, the pilots not only get the necessary knowledge and skillsets but also can adress the shortcomings and challenges faced, and as these can be avoided or solved in AMCA. Basically SU 57 can act as a force Equalizer and training bed for our AIR FORCE.🙏🙏🙏
Indian government is doing well with submarines its high time for aircrafts aswell either we should invest some billions into aircraft engines or we need to go for some su57 st the earliest to tackle our neighbours. Some 50 aircrafts that is 3 squadron’s
AMCA approved and moving ahead with modular engine bay which can use different engines. TEDBF approval still pending but studies and tests continue with Naval LCA. 18 Naval LCA order approved.
@@Moinak-wo5zc first roll in late 2027, more likely 2028. first flight sometime in 2028. full scale production 2032-33. first induction in 2034. Allah willing.
Su-57 is a good choice for the current situation but the question is when we fly those fighters on our skies... Make sure we have to get ASAP as we can't trust china's current stand. May be this is china's winter game...
nah, it will take longer to produce these buggy new aircraft (Su-57) and it will be inferior to Su-30MKI (with its many upgrades) for a long time. also supply chain indigenization of the Su-30MKI has been carried out at great cost and now is not the time to switch to yet another barely tested aircraft variety that offers less like the Su-57.
@@mth469 If Super Sukhoi of IAF becomes a big success to detect, deter and attack stealth fighter jet and improve its own RCS with stealth coating then producing more Super Su 30 MKI and upgrading the whole of existing fleet is a good option to maintain squadron level of IAF along with acquisition of home made Tejas variants and Rafales. But otherwise acquiring Su 57 as an interim solution until AMCA is fully developed for induction is a very viable option.
@@debojyotikumar i don't think the Su-57 offers any benefit over the Su-30MKI. its not stealth, its new which means lots of bugs for both aircraft and its new engine, its been rushed through development / testing / production. India merely ends up as a guinea pig for other country's R&D projects with a large bill to boot.
1000 pralay is a good news but we need roughly 3000 atleast, bcz in russia Ukraine war russia easily exhausted their ishkandar missiles. A report said that russia only has 1000 ishkandar missiles at the beginning of the war.
@@SomeGuy-yb3sl where you got these numbers. Russia didn't revealed their missile numbers. But UKs secret agencies revealed they have closer to 1000 ishkandar missiles at the beginning of the war. But they ramp up production now. Im talking about early days.
If we are looking for 5th gen jet which mostly will impact AMCA, we should evaluate Su 57 vs F35 and pick the winner. If not we need to stick to Rafale or Typhoon with ToT which will fasten AMCA timeline as well. If we want 5th gen only and F35 is not available, Su 57 is the only choice. It has following challenges, 1. With US sanctions it will be difficult to procure these jets. We have to work with US to get exception. Not sure whether US will allow that. 2. Russia is struggling to produce Su 57 in decent numbers, so it may affect delivery timeline for India. Local assembly can help, but i doubt whether Russia will do any meaningful ToT. 3. Chinese equipment in Su 57 is a threat. China who is our enemy is known for adding bugging device. So in the time of war, there is possibility of sabotage. So it is strictly no. Can Russia replace Chinese equipment is big question as it depends China more than any time earlier if we can bypass this challenges and F35 is not available and satisfied with Su 57, we should scrap MRFA and go with Su 57 in higher numbers. There is no point in adding one more jet with smaller quantity which will make it logistics nightmare.
there is no resolution. Chayna is just playing games of de-escalating it when it suits its interests. The reason is US is getting ready for war with China in 2025/6 and it wants to focus on that.
Instead of betting everything on AMCA we should have a Workhorse fighter jet like f15 for USA. In a war 5th gen fighters are severely limited by their arsenal and can only be useful for removing anti aircraft defenses after that any bomber or Attack fighterjet will be more useful and easy to operate
SU-57 and RAFALE F4 both are very good excellence. SU-57 better in engine, range and stealth and RAFALE F4 better in avionics, agility and upgradability. IAF needs to set their buying parameters right before acquiring SU-57 instead of RAFALE F4. The government might not spend more in 4-5 years if SU-57 are acquired instead of RAFALE F4. Acquiring any jets now might see no other jet deal in at least 4-5 years, just maybe engine deals only, so decision remains on IAF's necessity.
Only 36 seriously? 🤦♂️ just take this under mrfa project instead of just 36 fighters . Wee required more than 75 fighters. If we go with mrfa 114 jets that would be a big boost to the IAF.
Many IAF veterans have wrote about su57 procurement. Many reports suggested that modi had talks of su57 with putin during russia visit in july but details were kept confidential. Now details are coming out after modi visit to russia again.
If the Su57 is priced at one- fourth that of a Rafale, why not go for 3 squadrons of the Russian fighter? ("Quantity has a quality of it's own"). Dassault is smart at price gouging and needs a warning shot across the bows. A 'multi-national' fleet is an unfortunate legacy for the IAF, to be remedied only when the 'Maharatna' begins to deliver on time!
first who told that it is priced 1/4th of Rafale? Lot of people compare fully equipped Rafale with weapons and with india specific modification and maintenance package with barebone Su 57 which is not correct
U r still kid. 😂 US is trickster. Never believe them. Can't even deliver f404 engines. They keep on extending by giving unnecessary excuses. 4gt about f35...damn. their government is full of lies.
Su57 with latest engine is a lethal aircraft. With so much orders for hal I doubt the order should've been 36 + 36 su57. It all depends on hal when the amca will roll out. If delayed the orders will go to Russia or France. Good luck.
We should get MRFA cancelled and order 72 su57-M with the same funding, why settle for only 36. AMCA will come after 2040 only. We have at least 16 years gap😇
@@Stealthy-Guru For CCP bros that is okay. Only western jets will impact indigenous jets, not Russian. These people has only two things, support Russian jets or imaginary timeline of indigenous AMCA. When Russian equipment news comes, they will say AMCA wont be ready. When western jet news comes, they would say why do we need to buy AMCA is going to be ready in next few years
@@Vartik-jr4qr But according to you it will take another 16 years for AMCA to arrive. How will 36 can defend till then? One more goal exposing your stupidity 🙂
Su57 is a very bad move 😢 If we have to go forward then go forward with su75 .. not this junk plzzz IAF don't do this mistake once again!!! You will fall in this spider web of import once again
@@SomeGuy-yb3sl yes but buying 114 jets not gonna sacrifice amca anyway coz amca won't come before 2035 and won't be fully available for Production before 2040 so by then we will have even su30 mki older generations retiring as only 80-90 su 30 mki will undergo upgradation rest will be replaced or retired and we can easily update our requirements for 5th gen fighter to even 300 as china is going to induct over 1000 j20 so we definitely gonna need to upgrade our squardens to more than 45 and our economy will be much bigger too
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India should go for a larger order of Su 57 and convert AMCA into a Sixth Generation Fighter Aircraft, focusing on Adaptive Cycle Engines and AI based and network centric Warfare with each AMCA being optionally manned and capable of commanding drones and loyal wingman. We can't be lagging behind in technology.
Only option right now
As said earlier 36 su57 are inevitable till AMCA arrives😄
Su 57 is crap 😢😢😢
@@SomeGuy-yb3slyou were right, 36 su57 finally😄
"DATRAN' engines are on track, a very great news 👌👌👌👌
Because of it, India will have it's own Tank which will be actually a true Indian tank. Hopes are high for FMBT............
keep the weight of the FMBT in check this time.
heavier and heavier tanks are putting upward pressuire on engine power.
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Buying SU57 is a smart choice....
no
No it’s not
Wow ! 1000 Pralay rockets you heard it here first thats huge
*Russian jet + lsraeli avionics + Indian pilots* 😈 *Deadly Combo* 🙌
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A fully Indian one is a better future
seriously? We have Su 30 which is with above combo, still could not attack PAF in 2019. Catchy words does not change the reality
@@vaimurthy you know su30 was involved in the attack and were there for support but the pakistan's reaction time was faster so they tried to avoid dog fight even tho one mig21 had to involve in it and managed to take down one f16
@@shoto3612 Su 30 is our prime jet. We know that PAF is going to attack after Balakot. Still Su 30 was not able to shoot F16 and JF17 which puts question mark over its ability to stop future attacks. Simple reason is poor radar in Su 30 and pathetic range of its BVR missiles.
Better Russian Aircraft now then wait for ever.... For a jet after 20 years... Everything is needed now..
Buying Russian garbage comes st a mighty cost for 50 years
I would say India should've never gone to US for the jet engines. India should deal with only Russia and France for jet engines.
yeah , usa will only create more problems for India not decrease it , especially when engine tech is dependent on spare parts from usa
That is exactly what is happening now😊
Yeah USA will always consider pakistan over India cuz India is closer to Russia.
Russian engines are hugely inefficient and maintenance prone with availability of 35% only while US ENGINES HAVE 86+ AND FRENCH 80+ availability
@@shibamsingh4814Nope it doesn't happen like that, Pakistan is now close to China and Russia both, so US Pakistan relations are not very good.
But yah in future if India becomes stronger then US might create some problems for us, but China by then will be as strong as US, so I believe US will need us at that time
Waiting to hear the success of DATRAN engine. All the best to the engineers.
There are few squadrons of earlier Su-30K which India had procured, why not upgrade them as much as possible in avionics and donate them to Armenia,
Replace these either with Tejas Mk2 or Su-57
We returned su30-mk to russia in 2007 and ordered su30-mki made by HAL
Those Su30k we already returned those back to Russia way back in 20007/8 & after that those Su30K were delivered to Belarus Airforce by Russia with certain modification in 2009/10
Great... Now daily source of defence update
We are in talks for new 36 su57-M with new al51 engine and not old su57. You should mention it or else people viewers become confused.
what the advantage of that upgrade, does al51 now have super cruise now with stealth?
@@lordzroger951su57 with al41 also has supercruise of 1.3 mach. With al51 engine it will be world highest supercruise of mach 2😏
the al51 is better because its harder for IR seekers to track it
Russian military don't use su57, then why should we. No need of this platform. We should go for 114 Rafale production
@@Vartik-jr4qr,
Doesn't need afterburners.
Jai Hind Vande Mataram 🧡 🤍 💚
Success of Iskander in UKR conflict has shown how important it is to have a credible number of Pralay available for the Rocket force.
We need su57 and fast as possible
India should concentrate on incorporating maximum su35 technology to Su30 while manufacturing it..
Sukhoi 57 ek dum spaceship ki tarah udta hai.
Meanwhile su 75 checkmate ☠️
@@Asura_clan wo to kabhi uda hi nhi🤣🤣
f22 raptor says hi
@@AiExplaineddwhen will it say hi? Always grounded
Bahut hi achhi news.
The ramjet ammo IIT madras is developing, Norway is also working on artillery Ramjet to send the shells at 150km distance. We need ramjet in such segments too, apparently Future warfare is Long Distance Shells with Ramjet & loiter munitions / Stealth vehicles/ Drones/ Ai based Software powering the systems.
actually, we need low altitude drones with high speeds to drop bombs.
Jai Hind Jai Bharat 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳👍👍
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After pulling out of the FGFA programme with Russia we are now back to evaluating the same jet as a stop gap solution. Imagine if India had remained invested in FGFA then we would have had a large number of Su57s and Pakistan wouldn't even be thinking of taking on IAF. Instead we opted out of it and continued debating on which jet to buy under MRFA as we have been doing for more than 2 decades.
HAL was the main sabotage. They decreased the stake in FGFA to only 15% when russia agreed for 30%
We spend more money on development of fgfa program with a condition of technology transfer but russia refused at the end. So continuing with that project is a huge loss for India. If we want more su57 then we can purchase it directly from Russia, no need to be a part of that development program.
nope, Su 57 developed at that time is nothing more than 4g jet and we were not allowed anywhere close to critical tech though we were partners
@@vaimurthy get some facts
@@kishu3b i know my facts. If you think otherwise, please share
Bharat immediately purchase at least 4 squadrons (72 units) of SU-57 aircraft to counter China and Pakistan in a 2 front war situation. We have to be prepared with every alternatives because still AMCA is a dream, so for instant reaction SU-57 is the best. Jai Hind Jai Bharat Bharat Mata Ki Jai 🇮🇳 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🏻
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For all the current fighter jets, we must integrate Towed decoy system like F-35's ALE-70 towed decoy device, also towed decoy system like TB-14A and a signal generator like AN/SLQ-25 Nixie towed decoy system, should be a countermeasure system provided to all the IAF fighter aircrafts.
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Jay hind sir 🎉🎉
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First indigenous engine in service 🎉🎉
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Acquiring Su 57 is the perfect solution until AMCA starts flyting. Also stealth Super Sukhoi or Stealth Su 35 are good options.
Atleast India needs 150+ jets why. Not we purchase 3 different jets from different countries so that we can get more jets in less time
Every jet has its own sizes customisation and compatibility limits we can't use together the way u r thinking moreover jet engines are very expensive and not a single country is ready to deliver them to india on urgent basis
Operational complexity will arise as all jets need pilots, ground staff, maintenance crew to be trained and different equipment is needed too. This will hamper the serice operability in the long run
cost of maintanence infrastructure for each separete jet would be astronomical
Operating costs will hit hard
Nice video
Is the Su-57 a viable option for the IAF? What is its success rate and maintenance record? Will the IAF be able to avoid the sanctions and delays in aircraft from Russia? There has already been several delays in other Ground, Naval and Air procurement. Can it be made available faster than the Rafale platforms?
Yes indian pilots know how to fly heavy jets. Succes rate can be seen in both syria and ukraine. We can say su57 is the only 5th gen jet which is battle tested. New Al51 engine has highesr service hours in the world and is fully FADEC technology, so NO issue in maintainence. Su57 delivery for russia will be over in 2028 after which 14 su57 will be delivered to algeria and then india so delivery can begin late 2028, earlier than rafale. So yes a viable choice
Better to accelerate tejal mk2 project , archive number to counter china & Pakistan
We are retiring more squadrons than inductting.
Instead of limited orders of Su57 we should invest in Su75 as Russia already has experience of building Su57 and we could make Su75 more potent with 6th Gen technology if collaborated.
Bro that would be a big blunder Russians are at no position to fund such projects also it will take minimum 12 years for production .
@@badlav120😂😂
@@badlav120 Yeah that’s also an issue, as they’re engaged in a war. But it won’t take 12 years as everything is already done in Su57 from engine to stealth.
why would we fund a jet which Russia is not considering to buy for itself
SU57 is the need of hour 🇮🇳
India should assemble it in our assembly line of SU 30 MKI. With Indian missions computer integrating our systems developed for AMCA and also Indian weapons.
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Take Su 57 on lease rather than purchasing them untill AMCA's production starts
we need stealth jets. leasing them won't help it will be more costlier
It raises cost
Amca will be made in 2100 ...good luck by then
Bravo, why you on comment section why not in IAF !!!
Nope@@justcurious7505
40..50 su57 will be perfect choice wrt f35 f21 rafale
Now only aircraft carrier news is being awaited.
Some local media houses have told that su57 deal was in discussion since PM modi visit to russia in july but final deal will begin when ukraine war is over. Most probably next year when putin will visit india. Hope for the best.
probably just as well
since this new aircraft will have a bunch of bugs
that hopefully the Russians will fix between now and then.
...and that's assuming the Russia-Ukraine war comes to an end.
if the Su-57 is carrying external weapons, it is no longer stealth.
in fact even without external weapons, it still is not stealthy.
We are need to update thejas naval variant for nevi
Jai hind
Su 57 is now operational so Indians can buy 36-42 aircraft and Indian pilots are also used to Russian fighters so I think there will be no issue to operate it.
Russia can’t even produce enough SU30 because of supply chain issues . How can they supply SU 57??
Actually russia made 36+ jets but used them for it's own orders. 20 su30 were produced
Su-57s have been produced under a decent pace. Equipment issue were faced, but as a stop gap last year, china was used as a mediator to buy critical parts while Russia developed a solution.
@@danishkfd yes 12 su57 were delivered in 2023. Russia is increasing it to 20 per year after al51 integration
@@danishkfd why do we need russian jet with chinese equipment who is our enemy?
@@vaimurthywhich chinese equipment😭😭🤣
Slowly we should totally acquire aircraft building technology
India must attach a clause for hot core technology and a possible shift of production facility to India in any event of manufacturing disruption owing to the current ukraine conflict along with any SU57 order.
No 18 su 57 order to gor show off till our amca come❤
Stor range missiles don't like like long range BVRs are better
They were doing the delay on purpose. Finally what i knew for 5 years has happened. Russian kabad hi lena tha toh pehle hi le lete, 5 saal nikal gaya ab delivery mei kitne saal lagenge pata nahi.
They should get 72 - 108 SU-57 with TOT..
No need for Su 57 procurement. Focus on all efforts in upgradation of entire su 30 mki fleek to Super Sukhoi levels as soon as possible since it would be kind of Stealth killer jets . Next focus on upgradation of Existing Rafael jets to Super Rafael. Consider su 57. only as an option if Russia readily aggrees for joint manufacturing of Su 57 in India's. Production line. Since Russian production line is now at its weakest till now with only delivering 24 Su 57 to the Russian air force till now.
I understand some opinions that Varying the fighter jet can be a good thing rather than over reliance on Russian makes, as China has Russian make jets to understand their working and plan upon their weaknesses. But in short term till we can get our own AMCA up in the air, we can mitigate Risk factors with SU-57s. Moreover its The Indian way that any jet that has entered our service has been tuned upgraded and modeled to work best for our forces and I remember reading a report that states SU 30MKI is the most versatile version of SU 30's. If we can Indianize the SU-57, the pilots not only get the necessary knowledge and skillsets but also can adress the shortcomings and challenges faced, and as these can be avoided or solved in AMCA. Basically SU 57 can act as a force Equalizer and training bed for our AIR FORCE.🙏🙏🙏
Indian government is doing well with submarines its high time for aircrafts aswell either we should invest some billions into aircraft engines or we need to go for some su57 st the earliest to tackle our neighbours. Some 50 aircrafts that is 3 squadron’s
2:17 humlog planning kaise karte hain yaar 😂 pehle project chor diya kyonki up to the mark nahi tha ab fir lene ka soch re .
Good dison su57 russ 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Trusting the US/UK for major Defence platforms, after they have behaved during 3 major defence related crisis, is completely ridiculous.
What is the status of AMCA and TEDBF
AMCA approved and moving ahead
with modular engine bay which can use different engines.
TEDBF approval still pending
but studies and tests continue with Naval LCA.
18 Naval LCA order approved.
@@mth469 how much time for prototype of AMCA
@@Moinak-wo5zc
first roll in late 2027, more likely 2028.
first flight sometime in 2028.
full scale production 2032-33.
first induction in 2034.
Allah willing.
Bhai tejas mk1a ka puch lo pehle @@mth469
Su-57 36nos look great
Purchasing 36 - 54 Su - 57 stealth fighter jet is best option for Central govt & IAF.
Su-57 is a good choice for the current situation but the question is when we fly those fighters on our skies... Make sure we have to get ASAP as we can't trust china's current stand. May be this is china's winter game...
Acquiring Su 57 will be a quick fix to maintain squadron strength by IAF. Good to know Reliance Infra is getting into ammunition manufacturing.
nah, it will take longer to produce these buggy new aircraft (Su-57)
and it will be inferior to Su-30MKI (with its many upgrades) for a long time.
also supply chain indigenization of the Su-30MKI has been carried out at great cost
and now is not the time to switch to yet another barely tested aircraft variety
that offers less like the Su-57.
@@mth469 If Super Sukhoi of IAF becomes a big success to detect, deter and attack stealth fighter jet and improve its own RCS with stealth coating then producing more Super Su 30 MKI and upgrading the whole of existing fleet is a good option to maintain squadron level of IAF along with acquisition of home made Tejas variants and Rafales. But otherwise acquiring Su 57 as an interim solution until AMCA is fully developed for induction is a very viable option.
@@debojyotikumar
i don't think the Su-57 offers any benefit over the Su-30MKI. its not stealth, its new which means lots of bugs for both aircraft and its new engine, its been rushed through development / testing / production.
India merely ends up as a guinea pig for other country's R&D projects with a large bill to boot.
India should have procured su 57 from the start
Su-30MKI with its upgrades
and localized supply chain is better
SU 57 to India is good decision
Reliance investing 10000cr in small arms in defence is welcoming news.
1000 pralay is a good news but we need roughly 3000 atleast, bcz in russia Ukraine war russia easily exhausted their ishkandar missiles. A report said that russia only has 1000 ishkandar missiles at the beginning of the war.
Russia has 4000 iskander missiles. They produce 3 iskander every day. Lol
@@SomeGuy-yb3sl where you got these numbers. Russia didn't revealed their missile numbers. But UKs secret agencies revealed they have closer to 1000 ishkandar missiles at the beginning of the war. But they ramp up production now. Im talking about early days.
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If we are looking for 5th gen jet which mostly will impact AMCA, we should evaluate Su 57 vs F35 and pick the winner. If not we need to stick to Rafale or Typhoon with ToT which will fasten AMCA timeline as well.
If we want 5th gen only and F35 is not available, Su 57 is the only choice. It has following challenges,
1. With US sanctions it will be difficult to procure these jets. We have to work with US to get exception. Not sure whether US will allow that.
2. Russia is struggling to produce Su 57 in decent numbers, so it may affect delivery timeline for India. Local assembly can help, but i doubt whether Russia will do any meaningful ToT.
3. Chinese equipment in Su 57 is a threat. China who is our enemy is known for adding bugging device. So in the time of war, there is possibility of sabotage. So it is strictly no. Can Russia replace Chinese equipment is big question as it depends China more than any time earlier
if we can bypass this challenges and F35 is not available and satisfied with Su 57, we should scrap MRFA and go with Su 57 in higher numbers. There is no point in adding one more jet with smaller quantity which will make it logistics nightmare.
Chinese equipment in su57? Name a single equipment😂
@@SomeGuy-yb3sl Then what, you ask me provide design of Su 57? China supplies chips to russian equipment is known secret
Congratulate the Modi regime for peacefully resolving the Sino-Indian border stand-off. Bravo!
Resolved??
@@rakadus Yes
How much land and Patrolling points India has recovered ?
there is no resolution.
Chayna is just playing games
of de-escalating it when it suits its interests.
The reason is US is getting ready for war
with China in 2025/6
and it wants to focus on that.
@@prakat1082 China withdraws to pre-2020 position...
Instead of betting everything on AMCA we should have a Workhorse fighter jet like f15 for USA. In a war 5th gen fighters are severely limited by their arsenal and can only be useful for removing anti aircraft defenses after that any bomber or Attack fighterjet will be more useful and easy to operate
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36+24 followon should be good Su57 with Indian modification
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Russia is not able to deliver s400 in time and do you think IAF is day dreaming that SU57 will be delivered in time?
Su57 order will start after 2028 and by then war will have ended
SU-57 and RAFALE F4 both are very good excellence. SU-57 better in engine, range and stealth and RAFALE F4 better in avionics, agility and upgradability. IAF needs to set their buying parameters right before acquiring SU-57 instead of RAFALE F4. The government might not spend more in 4-5 years if SU-57 are acquired instead of RAFALE F4. Acquiring any jets now might see no other jet deal in at least 4-5 years, just maybe engine deals only, so decision remains on IAF's necessity.
At least 110 SU 57 we need not less
proly srbm 1000 na kompokhe 25000 dorkar roket forch er jonno
Am sick of hearing everyday mrfa Rafael and more
Just buy it or don't talk about it
Everybody
Maharastra - Is that a new Astra? 😀
I hope DRDO should be develop 2000 km range nuclear capable pralay missile and
Air launched Pralay missile.
Aren't they working on another ICBM with range of 9000 km
India can never acquire su 57 because us will stop delivering f404 engines.
India should not waste money on Su-57 instead invest more in AMCA..no body is going at war with India in next 20 years...
American fanboys are always at heights of stupidity
i wish the money will go into TEDBF and ORCA.
@@mth469 whatever but the money should go in indigenous projects
What a confusion. Tomorrow this regime in center will ask IAF to take on the contemparies with Mig 29.
All hell is broken.👍👍👍👍
We will have the AMCA when everyone else has 6th generation fighters
Only 36 seriously? 🤦♂️ just take this under mrfa project instead of just 36 fighters . Wee required more than 75 fighters. If we go with mrfa 114 jets that would be a big boost to the IAF.
IDU is more interested in SU57 than IAF or Indian government, who have first hand knowledge of the FGFA program 🙂
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Many IAF veterans have wrote about su57 procurement. Many reports suggested that modi had talks of su57 with putin during russia visit in july but details were kept confidential. Now details are coming out after modi visit to russia again.
If the Su57 is priced at one- fourth that of a Rafale, why not go for 3 squadrons of the Russian fighter? ("Quantity has a quality of it's own"). Dassault is smart at price gouging and needs a warning shot across the bows. A 'multi-national' fleet is an unfortunate legacy for the IAF, to be remedied only when the 'Maharatna' begins to deliver on time!
first who told that it is priced 1/4th of Rafale? Lot of people compare fully equipped Rafale with weapons and with india specific modification and maintenance package with barebone Su 57 which is not correct
@@vaimurthy What is the (appx) price differential at similar equipment level (or barebones) between the two aircraft?
@@ak-rx1ui We dont know about that in Su 57 case as it is not yet offered officially
@@vaimurthy Thanks.
su57 👎 should've gone for f-35 it is the most advanced fighter jet in the world right now
U r still kid. 😂 US is trickster. Never believe them. Can't even deliver f404 engines. They keep on extending by giving unnecessary excuses. 4gt about f35...damn. their government is full of lies.
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True, only challenge is availability of F35 to us. If it is available, we should go with F35 which is best 5th gen with cheaper price
@@vaimurthybest 5th gen with NO 5th gen weapons🤣
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Su57 with latest engine is a lethal aircraft. With so much orders for hal I doubt the order should've been 36 + 36 su57. It all depends on hal when the amca will roll out. If delayed the orders will go to Russia or France. Good luck.
We should get MRFA cancelled and order 72 su57-M with the same funding, why settle for only 36. AMCA will come after 2040 only. We have at least 16 years gap😇
@@Stealthy-Gurugetting nervous?
@@Stealthy-Guru For CCP bros that is okay. Only western jets will impact indigenous jets, not Russian.
These people has only two things, support Russian jets or imaginary timeline of indigenous AMCA. When Russian equipment news comes, they will say AMCA wont be ready. When western jet news comes, they would say why do we need to buy AMCA is going to be ready in next few years
@@Stealthy-Guru True. Import from US is bad, but import from Russia is good and that will not impact domestic capability.
@@vaimurthy as some guy says- kid always getting sympathy from stepfather😂😂😂 the report says 36 su57 only as a stop gap measure till AMCA arrives
@@Vartik-jr4qr But according to you it will take another 16 years for AMCA to arrive. How will 36 can defend till then? One more goal exposing your stupidity 🙂
Su57 is a very bad move 😢
If we have to go forward then go forward with su75 .. not this junk plzzz IAF don't do this mistake once again!!! You will fall in this spider web of import once again
No su57. Go for Rafale
We far behind our enemy country, it's better India goes for SU 57 fifth generation fighter jet..
its 4.5 gen
@@mth469 SU 57 come in category of 5th generation fighter jet
Is this a joke better not buy 36 is nothing for 5th gen fighter we need atleast 114 so atleast 76 will be available anytime
Makes sense but we need AMCA also
@@SomeGuy-yb3sl yes but buying 114 jets not gonna sacrifice amca anyway coz amca won't come before 2035 and won't be fully available for Production before 2040 so by then we will have even su30 mki older generations retiring as only 80-90 su 30 mki will undergo upgradation rest will be replaced or retired and we can easily update our requirements for 5th gen fighter to even 300 as china is going to induct over 1000 j20 so we definitely gonna need to upgrade our squardens to more than 45 and our economy will be much bigger too
SU-57 is not good choice
Bharat mata ki Jay.
Didn't endia reject SU-57 before??