Olmec Head removed from African History Juneteenth Mural
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- In this video I talk about a controversial subject and that is the use of Olmec colossal heads which are representative of Indigenous American Art and Mesoamerican Civilization in the Juneteenth Mural which is dedicated to African history.
While studying modern attempts to whitewash or blackwash ancient American history I stumbled onto this petition that called for the removal of indigenous ancient American art from the monument and I was shocked because up until that time I hadn't actually knew about this controversy. The petition was apparently successful and has supposedly lead to the removal of the depiction.
Lastly, I give my thoughts on the dangers of misinformation and the accidental of purposeful appropriation of the heritage, history and legacy of cultures and civilizations not our own and how this is not just damaging and distorting history itself but how it is harmful to the people whose history this actually is.
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Oh please. All they do is steal culture. Quilting is Swedish / Norwegian. Chitlins and greens is English. Jumping the broom is Scottish. Voodoo and santaria is catholic. Jazz was birthed by the French. I'm so sick of this crap. Americans are either Americans or they aren't. There is no such thing as a fill in the blank American.
Yeah just point to a historical century and you will find any and all cultures and ethnicity being dealt tragedy so many erased away . Tribal genocides . Since the dawn of the first urban city have persecuted and stole from hunter gathers. All the lost history we may never know.
Agreed! The only reason why they act like this is because people let them. It's time to be intellectually honest and stop all the bs.
This channel is soo welcomed to
discuss Our History and how Europeans
has hidden and mislead this World History 🌎
@@thenbwkmtkspktrminc.4613 europeans hidden world history? From whom and if it was just Europeans why haven't the Africans, Greek, Roman's, Egyptians any countless number of formed and disbanded nations throughout time released this hidden truth? The Arabs far and a way exceeded Europeans when they paid Africans to conquere and sell their brothers and sisters into slavery. Why don't they simply release this hidden truth?
Why can't it simply be people are lazy instead of all governments throughout all time hide truth just to be racist? Why do you think zebras when you hear hoofs?
They didn't accidentally do it, they knew exactly what they were doing
Precisely
And got checked
And most of you are mestizos and definitely have zero relations to the olmecs or mayas...
They tried and failed.
As a Central american native of Mayan origin I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this videos unfortunately we are not only losing most of our lands to the new comers but many others are also trying to steal our identity and achievements of our pre colombian ancestors
Kurimeo Ahau
Most of meso America is full of red and dark bronze man... The only difference is the Spanish made our folk belittle their red heritage. Which is still present in some places in present day meso America.
black african/sub-saharan also tries to steal and claim ancient egypt, moors(arabic speaking arab and berbers of north africa and spain), ancient arab(pre-islam arab), ancient persia, indian, berbers, hebrews/jews and phonecians as black sub-saharan african races like them. some claim buddha was black african, original chinese, cambodian/khmer who build angkor wat and thousand of temple and palace, indonesian who build the prambanan and bodorobur as black too, just because southeast asia lving near and have black negrito people, papua and australian aborignal who stuck in stoneages tech and never have writing script, architecture and civilzation.
I am a Black Central American and acknowledge that Black Central Americans are originally from Africa and that we came on boats from Africa and built pyramids in the Americas the same as we did in Africa. Look up Egyptian pyramids and South African pyramids and Adams calendar in South Africa 75k years ago.
@@cathylake9072 ..Those are not even pyramids this are Mayan and Aztec TEMPLES where humans were sacrificed not resting places of kings and pharaohs like in Egypt and most of them were built way before the pyramids of Egypt you have to stop with your cultural appropriation stop trying to steal the identity and achievements of everyone around the world look at the backlash in the new netflix documentary Cleopatra because retarded and afro-centric Jada portrait her as a black African woman instead of Macedonian greek..Black people in the Americas dont even like maiz corn the main staple of all native american civilizations you are not children of the corn you eat bread because wheat is the main staple of the people that came from the old world you prefer bread because thats what your european masters fed you
First off, I would like to thank you for setting the record straight. This has caused one of the biggest indigenous erasure topics today. Now we have Black African Americans, who deny their beautiful African culture, heritage, and roots. This group of individuals are saying they are NOT African Americans, that they are the first people of the Americas. In doing so it has hurt the indigenous community, a community that has been already damaged for over 5oo years. These groups of individuals have many followers who also spread the misinformation.
Why black african american claim others people civilization especially ancient Egypt, Egypt become most victims just because Egypt in Africa, but very near to Middle Eastern and Southern Europe/Crete, Cyprus, Malta. middle of Sinai, Negev, Palestine, Arabia and Libya-Morocco/Berbers, Ancient Egyptian, Olmecs, ancient Cambodian(angkor period), Indian, even Arabs and Persian as black look like sub-Saharan African negroid, even more insulting to Cambodian and Indonesian claim original Cambodian/Khmers and Indonesian are black and Chinese or yellow people from china replace Cambodian and made them more ligth skin. yes south east Asian have black ethnic called 'negrito like Aeta, Ati, Filipino bataks, Malaysia and Thailand Semang, and Andaman Island Ongan and Jarawas, but they do not have civilization, do not have writing script, architecture, kingdom/government, hunter-gather, do not build palace, temple, permanent structure, city, town and even village, they are nomad or semi-nomad, their population are small, unlike city people of Malays, Javanese, Balinese, Minangkabau, Bugis, Cambodian/Khmers, Thais, Burmese, Laotians, Champa and Vietnamese, Papuan, Negerito/Semang, Aeta, Ati and Andaman Island people Jarawas and Ongan are stuck in stone ages. same with Australia Aboriginal and Melanesia like Vanuatu, Solomon Islands, Fiji and New Caledonia, Egypt was not black sub-saharan looking, they look like Middle-eastern and Berbers of North African, they are not black and white european pale blue eyes and blonde hair
You're goofy there is plenty of evidence saying there were negro races inhabiting the americas prior to the arrival of Columbus. Supremacist like yourself push the narrative that there weren't. How dare you tell another man where his roots originate you're being a colonizers and don't even realize your arrogance.
and these ideas are only getting bigger smh, the identity loss from those people is insane.
@@khiraqq Identity theft you mean
@@williamm5538 my point is the identity loss caused the identity theft. the self hate created inferiority complex which is exactly why they grasp on to any identity that has zero to do with them. black americans claim to be hebrew israelites, native americans, moors, egyptians, middle eastern, chinese, polynesian, etc.
It wasn't by accident. Most blacks really think the Olmecs were Black Africans. I talked to several people involved and they accused the natives calling them out of racism.
Most of them are confused and lost about there history ..they don’t know where they come from. They wish they’re culture was as bad ass as ours 🇲🇽
Niggas always bouncing from place to place trying to find a home, now desperately trying to steal our culture😅😅😅
I confronted one guy and got silent.
the olmecs are black actually
WHAT NATIVES???? THE SIBERIANS????
As a person of color I am both moved by and appreciative of your objective presentation of this topic. I also support you spending as much time as you choose on this subject as it is, after all, your channel. The problem is history and science have become so politicized that people dismiss any hard facts which do not support their narrative.
Thanks for commenting Fraser, your understanding and support mean the world to us here at SAMA, and to be honest I couldn’t agree with your last point enough. So true.
Man, a big handshake to you.
@@paxanimi3896 thanks, back at you
I never use the term “person of color” ..I’m of African and Native Central American ancestry so I connect with both cultures. I think the battle is lost amongst the words, and in the end people are defending arbitrary BS. The histories of countless indigenous people have mostly been white washed and all we have to go on is archeological and DNA evidence, which is NEVER THE FULL ANSWER. that problem permeates so many schools of thought.
@@reportedstolen3603 Good for you. I use the term person of color when it is appropriate, as it is here. DNA evidence is the most conclusive evidence of a people's origins. I consider myself fortunate to live in a place and time where science cam conclusively answer certain questions instead of relying on someone's emotions.
There are too many culture vultures in the comment section. It's quite disturbing. Why is this theory so popular right now?
Black people realized that we can’t get love & respect for just being black so I guess some of us decided to adopt other identities in hopes to get what we’re owed
@@88alexis you are not “owned” anything 😂😇😇
@@caribbeantigress if the govt doesn’t owe us then we’re not obligated to define ourselves how you want us to
Its because black people think every non black history and culture was invented by blacks 😂
"Ask not what your country can do for you..."
You don't understand this, do you?
Moralists should not be historians.
Agreed. The Art and Design school I attended attempted to tell me Olmecs were Africans. This same Art school, Otis College of Art and Design is the birth place of the modern BLM movement and supported Antifa when I was a student and peddled the anti-American Marxism known as Critical Race and Gender Theory, the racial portion being founded at UCLA. Otis racially profiles its students and violates their human rights by committing crimes against their humanity and violating Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
@@AZ-697 you should have ended your screed before you did.
@@ckkjgc nah I like how I ended it. The truth needs to be disseminated. Peace, much love, namaste ckkjgc.
@@AZ-697 Most of y’all appear to be a victim of HIStorical LIEducation.
ALL territories presently dominated by Palepers (so-called whites) were originally populated (pre-dominated) by MELANDIGENAL (blackamoor) Giants.
The Prototypical Paleper (Neanderthalics) phenotype has no immortality on OUR MELANDIGENAL planet GHAYA (earth).
MELANDIGENALS are archetypical immortal Alpha/Omegas.
WE MELANDIGENALS can rightly CLAIM everything, and everybody.
WE will be post-dominate.
What olmec heads had to do with U.S African American history, Olmec heads are 1800 miles away from today's U.S border
Plus, they dissapeared by the time the mayans were in their early ages
Bro did you just say they are 1800 miles away? You do realize that boarders are not real and the the colonizers created them right?
@@derrickwhite8599 aw, heck genius guess Germany is not 6 hour flight away from New York because "borders" stop being a kid we are talking in real time what relevant to get to point A to point B ,. Guess the year 2022 doesn't exist since that is based on a "Colonizer" religious belief?? Might as well through away your birth certificate,ID since it's all made up
@@danielvalencia1185 a flight to another continent is a lot different than a 1800 mile walk north geniuses! The colonizers got you so in love with him, you don't even know who you where before he killed your people, and took your women and land. Sad! It really is. Your peoples language, culture and pheno has changed so many times in the last 2000 years yall don't know what to beleive. Please believe me i am being sincere! My ancestors have suffered the same fate from the same people! We both speak the tongue of our captives and call it our own!
@@derrickwhite8599 Nejé ra'íchama kené ra'ícharáka ayénacho suwaba kené wenówara, kené kúuchi ranaráka ,I speak my language also my whole family and my kids, so what you talking about 90% of my community knows our language 100% some of elders that's the only language they know and for our toddlers also they don't know any other language till they go to school, YOU are in love with your colonizers you talk about them so much like they have some divine powers or something while they are not just people that will die and fade away one by one eventually
To all the indigenous americans who consider the olmecs to be a part of their history:
1.)Thanks for inventing chocolate.
2.)Know that anyone with a brain understands that this history is yours and yours alone. Explore that rich history and don’t feel shy about standing up to people who want to unrightfully claim it as their own. I’ve had to do it as a Sicilian many many many times. You just get used to it lol.
You'd be surprised how many fools believe this nonsense 😠
They didn’t “invent” chocolate they discovered the cacao plant which produces coco beans. Which produces chocolate. They didn’t make chocolate not even close to it. It was a horribly bitter drink that was drunk for medicinal purposes. The modern chocolate wouldn’t come until after the arrival of Europeans and bringing sugar which is needed to make chocolate as we know it. But yes we can thank them for discovering and cultivating it much appreciated.
@@meep3035 *people* produce chocolate, it doesn’t magically grow out of the damn fruit smh.
creating chocolate from the coco beans is a incredibly complex and cultural experience. it may not taste good to a modern pallet used to processed sugars, but it was still the earliest form of it.
@M It gets me mad when people try to claim my culture as their own with all their pseudo history or theories we were here and and that's good that you stand up for your culture aswell and domt forget where you or your people come from
In the investigations of the San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán Archaeological Project at the sites of San Lorenzo and Loma del Zapote, several human burials from the Olmec period were located. The bone consistency in two of them allowed the successful study of their mitochondrial DNA, as part of an investigation that proposes the comparative analysis of the genetic information of the Olmecs with that obtained from subjects of other Mesoamerican societies, under the advice of the specialists María de Lourdes Muñoz Moreno and Miguel Moreno Galeana, from Cinvestav.
In the cells of our body there are two types of DNA. The nuclear, represented by the chromosomes, and the mitochondrial. Mitochondria are small organelles outside the nucleus, responsible for producing the energy required for cellular metabolism. Mitochondrial DNA (MTDNA), contrary to nuclear DNA, is inherited only through the mother to sons and daughters, and they have been the only ones to transmit it throughout the history of humanity. Therefore, mitochondrial lineages, called haplogroups given their uniparental (maternal) origin, are so ancient that they transcend geographic, cultural, and temporal borders. This property of the ADNMT offers anthropology a means to trace the historical evolution of contemporary and also past populations. Thanks to this, the repertoire of maternal lineages is known on a global scale,
The pioneering MTDN study carried out on Olmec individuals, one from San Lorenzo and the other from Loma del Zapote, resulted, in both cases, in the unequivocal presence of the distinctive mutations of the “A” maternal lineage. That is to say, the origin of the Olmecs is not in Africa but in America, since they share the most abundant of the five characteristic mitochondrial haplogroups of the native populations of our continent: A, B, C, D and X.
Beyond what happened in other latitudes, immersed in their particular environmental mosaic from which they took advantage, the Mesoamerican peoples solved multiple challenges of their day to day in a practical and innovative way. This led them to forge such diverse societies, whose achievements in countless areas of human activity made Mesoamerica an extraordinary cultural area of the ancient world. The underlying talent and its bearers were of local descent, and an example of this is the Olmec society, the first Mesoamerican civilization.
Enrique Villamar Becerril. Physical Anthropologist by the ENAH. Doctoral candidate in Mesoamerican studies (UNAM), with an analysis of MTNA in bone remains from various sites of the Preclassic period.
Villamar Becerril Enrique, "DNA studies and the origin of the Olmecs", Mexican Archeology, no. 150, p. 40-41.
Full text in print edition. If you wish to purchase a copy:
raices.com.mx/tienda/revistas-los-olmecas-de-san-lorenzo-veracru...
Olmecs, Mayans, Incas were never Black Africans.
Exactly. Why US folks have so much trouble with other people is beyond me.
@@ElYeyuno cause they think we wont fight back. But there wrong, we will preserve our peoples history and heritage.
Listen all this talk of “fight” is just stupid..why in the hell are we fighting? There’s nothing to fight for, wall bare the weights of our wronged ancestors. I am African,Native American and Hispanic. Stop causing conflict bro
@Etruria civilization never black African period.
@Etruria civilization trust me, we will.
Oh please the artist said on video that Omlecs is African History. The artist knows what he was depicting, nothing was accidental. Obviously this channel doesn't want to recognize that there's a lot of misinformation about Indigenous history going around. Nothing's complicated about it. There's no such thing as pre columbian africans and no one should rewrite Native History. Don't make excuses for this anti native rhetoric about Indigenous history going around. And they're not learning from it, they're pissed the Olmec head was removed LOL. Indigenous history matters, stop Indigenous erasure. Remove the Olmec head from the Heart of Hyde Park Mural in Los Angeles California.
Well mother effing said
Can't lie they do look African
yes the artist knew exactly what he was doing. he literally told me i don’t know true history and needed to do better research on the olmec and that his research confirmed that the olmec were african. his sources was paul Barton, a non expert LOL
Olmecs are not africans so we win
@@GODtalks79 Facts, yet anti native ra_cysm is still acceptable, and erasure is still unchecked & an accepted ra_cyst norm against all Indigenous ppl by these hate groups.
I never heard of this controversy before. The olmecs were a Mesoamerican Society everybody knows this. Has nothing to do with the African slaves being forced to America.
@Glow Stick bruh the olmec civilization ENDED around 400BCE (roughly the same time frame as the Greco-Persian wars), you really believe that Africans influenced the olmecs in a similar time frame as the dark age following the Bronze Age collapse?
The theory that the olmecs were in any way shape or form influenced by Africans is simply ridiculous when considering everything that we know about history and the technological progress of humanity. Olmec civilization’s earliest evidence dates to around 1200BCE (so again, the era of the Bronze Age collapse), so there’s an 800 year time frame that these supposed super Africans could have advanced to the stage that they sailed to the Americas and influenced the earliest Mesoamerican civilization that we know of (not the oldest in the new world mind you, Norte Chico is a thing after all). What’s more believable here? That these Olmec heads are the product of an ingenious group of Africans who were about 2000 years ahead of the curve of the rest of humanity, or that they are a product of the native peoples of America, who by the time of the discovery of the new world had the some of the most populous metropolitan cities in the world at the time (who built it all solely by human hands mind you, no pack animals in the new world). I don’t know about you, but the answer seems blatantly obvious to me.
There's a group of afrocentric political groups that try and lay claim to the heads and the culture creation. My take is that it's a certain group of individuals with the stigma of inferiority. Therefore it laying claim to a rite of land or first passage to there of. Nothing against people for their beliefs but I am not a fan of the propaganda either. I believe that the people who support that theory are blinded by the hate and therefore driven to concocting ignorant theory... It does not help the recognition of anyone's culture or appreciation for by rewriting it or taking from the Truth of it.
@@crazgra it’s sad but true, I don’t know why those groups feel they can’t take pride in West Africa’s very rich history. They have plenty in their own history they can lay claim to but instead we just hear stupid crap like “the Olmec heads seem to have stereotypical African traits therefore, they must be African in origin.” Do these people not realize they are parroting some pretty racist beliefs by doing that? Do they believe that the indigenous peoples of America couldn’t have made those heads by themselves?
@@majestichotwings6974the narrative that could be told is not that the Olmec heads were made by African peoples but that the ancient Olmecs created the heads to depict a people who, some in historical circles, visited them during their time. There could've been a culture exchange that might've happened in that period but we'll never know because we can't find artifacts to prove such a visit(s) ever took place.
@@renehinojosa1962 ok well for that theory to work (and keep in mind I DID touch on this in my original comment) these Africans had to construct boats that were millennia ahead of the rest of the world, (the Vikings built ships that could do that distance but only by hopping from island to island) but it seems you don’t know much of naval history so let me describe the issue here, ships at this time were pretty much tied to the coasts where they could safely dock for the night, and obtain provisions. This is true from the Bronze Age up to through the times of the Romans (long after the Olmecs were gone) in fact the only people at this time period who were able to sail open ocean where the Austronesians (proto-Polynesians, which considering they were the best sailors the world had seen til that point, is quite reasonable). The west Africans would have had to cross over 10,000 miles of open ocean in vessels not designed for it and without food. Hell even in the time of the Atlantic slave trade that journey would still take at minimum a month to go the shortest possible distance from Africa to South America (but closer to 2-3 months is more reasonable). So I find that claim HIGHLY dubious. What’s more all we’ve done here is describe hypothetical after hypothetical to fit a theory that Africans were in contact with the new world millennia before the rest of the world even knew it existed when the simple solution of “this was a solely mesoamerican creation” would suffice. If you can point to one solid piece of evidence for the extended interactions between these two peoples I’d love to see it. Otherwise that theory remains unfounded (and more than a little racist to boot), after all Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and until that’s provided I can quite comfortably dismiss the whole notion as a bunch of hogwash pseudo-archeology
Thanks so much for this video, our community is tired of these grifters, hijacking all Native American civilization.
In the investigations of the San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán Archaeological Project at the sites of San Lorenzo and Loma del Zapote, several human burials from the Olmec period were located. The bone consistency in two of them allowed the successful study of their mitochondrial DNA, as part of an investigation that proposes the comparative analysis of the genetic information of the Olmecs with that obtained from subjects of other Mesoamerican societies, under the advice of the specialists María de Lourdes Muñoz Moreno and Miguel Moreno Galeana, from Cinvestav.
In the cells of our body there are two types of DNA. The nuclear, represented by the chromosomes, and the mitochondrial. Mitochondria are small organelles outside the nucleus, responsible for producing the energy required for cellular metabolism. Mitochondrial DNA (MTDNA), contrary to nuclear DNA, is inherited only through the mother to sons and daughters, and they have been the only ones to transmit it throughout the history of humanity. Therefore, mitochondrial lineages, called haplogroups given their uniparental (maternal) origin, are so ancient that they transcend geographic, cultural, and temporal borders. This property of the ADNMT offers anthropology a means to trace the historical evolution of contemporary and also past populations. Thanks to this, the repertoire of maternal lineages is known on a global scale,
The pioneering MTDN study carried out on Olmec individuals, one from San Lorenzo and the other from Loma del Zapote, resulted, in both cases, in the unequivocal presence of the distinctive mutations of the “A” maternal lineage. That is to say, the origin of the Olmecs is not in Africa but in America, since they share the most abundant of the five characteristic mitochondrial haplogroups of the native populations of our continent: A, B, C, D and X.
Beyond what happened in other latitudes, immersed in their particular environmental mosaic from which they took advantage, the Mesoamerican peoples solved multiple challenges of their day to day in a practical and innovative way. This led them to forge such diverse societies, whose achievements in countless areas of human activity made Mesoamerica an extraordinary cultural area of the ancient world. The underlying talent and its bearers were of local descent, and an example of this is the Olmec society, the first Mesoamerican civilization.
Enrique Villamar Becerril. Physical Anthropologist by the ENAH. Doctoral candidate in Mesoamerican studies (UNAM), with an analysis of MTNA in bone remains from various sites of the Preclassic period.
Villamar Becerril Enrique, "DNA studies and the origin of the Olmecs", Mexican Archeology, no. 150, p. 40-41.
Full text in print edition. If you wish to purchase a copy:
raices.com.mx/tienda/revistas-los-olmecas-de-san-lorenzo-veracru...
Where is your proof that they were only “native Americans” there is proof that black people were among the OLMEC
Yes so so sick of them what they are doing to native American history which is apart of my history is racism
@@jjbentley9 this is like telling me you dont know native american history without telling me you dont know american history… africans were in america before Christopher Columbus.. we lived together with the native americans that came from the pacific.. black people are not making things up when they say they have native American ancestry.. you just dont know
@@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect no you are making it up y'all came in slavery ships there no proof that black people lived with native Americans I have native American in my family and I know the history they was shocked to see black African people don't you dare right me saying I don't no my own damn history when your only going to few black people only who follows a theory conpiersy theory for yours lol
The "OLMEC" culture IS NOT AFRICAN in origin...it is the earliest known Meso-American culture!!!!!!! African American researchers have attempted (for decades) to draft the Olmec peoples into their African-American history. This should be challenged at every turn!
The thing is you can’t refute it! You cannot say those heads are not AFRICAN! We will debate anyone ! Let’s go!
@@UrbanDanceAcademyLA actually you can. There is so much proof you just need to stop listening to pseudo historians that sell you bs
@@luziosoadgurl6800 put up or shut up...do you have the cash??? We can set up the debate would you like to be the first to go down? $10,000 minimum....I’ll rent the hall and we will telecast it live!!!!!
@@UrbanDanceAcademyLA You are delusional LMAO
@@handlebucket6285 Africans were the First in THE AMERICAS!!! That’s Fact! Africans were the only ones within their CULTURE with the technology!! You don’t just wake up one day from TEE PEES chasing buffalo to building MEGALITHIC STRUCTURES with no writing no mathematical knowledge...you racists are not bright at all
I could show you actual Central American Indians with facial features similar to that stone thing like...any given day all day long. Without even leaving North Carolina. That's the main reason I was never fooled by that thing. There's nothing in that head that contradicts the same facial features I've seen on people from Honduras,El Salvador etc, those people being the closest we could ever hope to get genetically, to the original Mayans Aztecs and Olmecs.
Yep they are the closest,even though they’ve been diluted by the Spaniards forcibly mixing with them
@@nycg801 Ok I can tell you about that from first hand knowledge. I have a 2nd cousin twice removed or something,his dad is a geneologist. He's like 1/4 Sicillian and his wife is from Mexico City. She looks whiter than him.
His dad who did like,all my paternal grandmother's side of the family traced all this broad's ancestors back to Spain for 500 years! There's a lot of people in Latin America from different regions and what not, who if are not genetically 100% pure Spaniard physically present as full blooded white people.
Benito Juárez, although he was a Zapotec Indian from Oaxaca, his physiognomy corresponded to the shape of Olmec heads.
My fam is from Mexico City. 3 of my grandparents are full blood natives and 1 mestizo. I came out 94% native american in my Ancestry DNA test from the Tlaxcala / Puebla areas.
The DNA says it all the DNA doesn't lie it takes no sides. They are not African!
Thank you so so much for your dedication to this issue sir. We Native American Indigenous Peoples are very thankful to you for debunking all this ridiculous Afrocentric nonsense.
You're welcome from all of us standing up misinformation and revisionist history whoever it comes from.
@@facade538 it’s only REVISIONIST HISTORY because the racist LIED to hide the TRUTH and now the chickens are coming home to roost and RECLAIM
OUR HISTORY...you have INHERITED LIES!!
@@UrbanDanceAcademyLA How? Europeans didn't invade the Americas and enslave Native Americans, then later traffick African slaves?
not debunked because the new discoveries by the smthsonian has now cofirmed that indigenous untouched tribes of the amazon have australian aboriginal negro dna
and the oldest skull found in south america belonged to a negro woman who had australian aboriginal dna as well as american indian genetics
check the lucia skull of south america 12,000 years old
africans are confirmed to have been here in america when the native americans arrived from siberia
@@brucejonesillustrations8721 , oh really? Hahahahaha sure! And who else was Black, Queen Elizabeth, Charles The V, Louie The Xlll….Jesus Christ, the Vikings? GTFOH with your Afrocentric büllschïtte and stop trying to usurp my Native Indigenous history!
Its pitty how they take the history of other folks and make it their own.
Also garbage from netflix, where the greek gods are black should stop.
It is also disprespectfull for the real african heritage and art.
@Etruria civilization ....Feeling ftagile again? LMAO
@Etruria civilization ....Of course you are! Hahah!
Netflix is known to make movies and shows to please the insecure
That’s cause Olmec were not black .
Look at the Olmec Statue s nose and lips , tell me who that is , a Black man that you want to be !
@Terry can’t go off of features and skin tone my brother it’s 2021 Science is the truth
They look more like island people though and chinese
I’m African American n I appreciate taking down the Olmec head .. we r not native Americans that isn’t our history
you are now a mix -if your are 49% you quit being african? or do your group have own rules
@@jari2018 can u explain further plz??
Those big heads look like Black dudes too me!
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Dumbest comment ever!
@@StompingRabbits ....But they weren't. And aren't.
Good Because AAs are not Indigenous Americans
African American is a stupid term. Just call them blacks. American Egyptians are African Americans but not black.
@@S3aCa1mRa1n Egyptians aren't black, not all Africans are black and nappy headed, north Africa are arabs berbers and they dont look nothing like African Americans or west Africans and the Moors were enslaved black Africans did you know that , and the term African American has been used in the USA since the late 1700s stop being lazy and research it without using Confirmation bias research, get out your feelings
Yes we are and we have the geaneology to prove it. I claim Insigenous all day and have various Indian ancestry: Coushatta, Seminole, Apache/Yavapai, Cherokee and CHATA. Indigenous all day baby!! Now cry me a river!!
@@S3aCa1mRa1n huh??
@@SerpentFire no y’all are not. You are African. Having Native in your blood does not make you Native either.
I hope they use that space to depict some of the artwork from the west of Africa. It is fabulous.
@Etruria civilization The only butt that looks hurt is yours, or I'm wrong, racist? You can say all BS you want but always with respect.
@Etruria civilization 1) Because Olmecs weren't black.
2) No, it's not racist because I'm not telling that "between black people and native indigenous civilizations there are big differences other than some physical (as skin color) or small genetic characteristics"
@Etruria civilization It is a mural celebrating the freedom of slaves in the USA. The most common area that they came from was west Africa.
Agreed! A Benin bronze head would make a great, accurate and beautiful replacement.
@@marcydrake9159 the Benin bronzes symbolise benins part in the slave trade, the metal was mined in Germany made into mannillas which the Africans took as payment for the slaves the sold, they melted down the mantillas make the Benin bronzes.
I’d like to see a video on the cultural appropriation of Indigenous Nations here in North America. There’s been a lot of pseudo information given to impressionable uneducated people out there on who Indigenous people were. TH-camrs such as Dane Calloway has a cult like following of ppl who really believe African “Americans” are not from Africa but from America and that were the real Native Americans. It’s laughable but sad so many ppl believe this.
Lol
Well that’s partially true. The natives of these lands were of a darker hue then the ones you see today..same features..just darker skin. During slavery in the US a lot of the Natives were captured during the invasion of Europeans,they were then sold into slavery along side the African slave and a lot of them were even reclassified as “Negro”. Then while being stripped of their culture just like the African was,these same natives were then forced to identify as “Negro” and speak English. What u people seem to miss is the fact that y’all Ancestors were LITERALLY monsters and what they did to African slaves and the indigenous peoples of EVERY land was just plain out evil. All for cunts like u and this guy to walk around pretending to tell the truth about the peoples u slaughtered,abused n conquered. That’s laughable chump.
@@ChillWill2050 u laughing cuz u one of them insecure @fros
the only fools who believe this are those grasping for anothers culture with short arms and zero facts.
Not just Olmecs but Greeks and Egyptians Vikings “yes Vikings”.
Making a difference aren't you? We need more historians with your level of integrity. Thank you Mr. Barksdale💙
Thanks for watching Charles! As always your support means the world!
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 mr. barksdale has a great channel and fair with presentations and has his thoughtful opinions but he’s not, nor has he ever claimed, an academic scholar. He doesn’t have to be he’s a conduit, a fan, a great bar tender and we are all sitting at his bar enjoying conversation
@@jjw56 love your comment of support! Means the world! I’m happy to do what I can to bring my betters to our screens!
As long as he don't say they're African he's telling the truth 😂😂😂😂😂😂
My parents are from Managua and Ocotal, Nicaragua and my DNA test was exactly 60/40, 60% European and 40% Native American. My entire Native ancestry was traced to Central Mexico and Aridoamerica. I don’t think, I KNOW I have more claim to this continent ancestrally and historically than any African. Proud of my Nahua heritage from NicanAnahuac ✌️🇳🇮
Hell no u don't America is a negro continent facts
@@lynnwoodcarter3486 Ur from Africa, don’t display your self-hatred on the internet bro, get some help
@@wilburmayorga1776 self hate bro I love myself and Africa but I know we weren't brung here on slave boats facts !
@@wilburmayorga1776 and we are the true founding for fathers of America
@@lynnwoodcarter3486 No you are not. Do you speak any dialect of the Ute-Aztecan language?
Black people still believing that OLMECS were African people 😂
They weren't Africans but they were phenotypically black people and black Americans have a right to be proud of Olmec history and heritage!!
@@SerpentFire sorry...but they were definitely Indigenous peoples...Peoples, there DNA proves it ...they are from haplogroups A B,C,D and X---which unequivocally "Indigenous"
@@ZDKTAYLOR Of course they were Indigenous. And they look JUST like people called "black" people today! Sorry!!
@@ZDKTAYLOR About 6 years ago I met a JET BLACK American woman who talked about being "X" haplogroup. But she didn't even know what that meant! Well it meant she was Indigenous to the Americas.
@@SerpentFire "Lookership" is NOT equivalent to Scholarship. It is clearly known and understood that ALL humans migrated out of Africa. So you can say that ALL humans came from Black and have their origin in Black. Since we are the original or archetype from which others come there are phenotypes (what a person looks like) that come from our genotype that look just "like" us---but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are us. A husky (dog) looks just like the wolf that he evolved from--but that husky is NOT a wolf. Again "LOOKERSHIP" is NOT equivalent to scholarship---learn the difference
This is not controversial. Olmecs have had nothing to do with Africans or vice
versa.
this untrue the smothsonian found australian aboriginal dna in untouched indigenous tribes of south america
and the oldest skull found in south america had negroid features and also had australian aboriginal dna
also don't forget to look at the olmec el negro monument tres zapotes which clearly shows a negro with a widows peak afro
@@brucejonesillustrations8721 they didn’t though; you the title mislead you.
The y gene comes from a common Asian ancestor and not actual Australians. If you reread that article it mentions that.
@@brucejonesillustrations8721 😆😆😆😆😆 girl knock it off
@@brucejonesillustrations8721 You do know the Aboriginal DNA you speak of come from a completely different race. The Aboriginal Australians, Melanesians, Negritos, Andamanese, etc. of Island Southeast Asia and Inner Oceania are all apart of the Australoid race, not the Negroid race of Africa. Stop trying to claim other people's cultures and ancestry with your Afrocentric Pseudo Scientific/Historic Black Supremacist ideals.
@@JacobFirlotte the research from the study actually says that at least three tribes have stronger relation to the australasians, new guineans, and andaman island people than they do to eurasians
and all
the groups i just named are clearly of african descent by appearance and by dna
here is the quote from the smithsonian article
"Pontus Skoglund, a researcher in Reich’s lab, noticed that the Suruí and Karitiana people of the Amazon had stronger ties to indigenous groups in Australasia-Australians, New Guineans and Andaman Islanders-than to Eurasians."
another quote from the article
"The results line up with studies of ancient skulls unearthed in Brazil and Colombia that bear stronger resemblance to those of Australasians than the skulls of other Native Americans."
and in the article researchers say they don't know how population y got to the amazon because native americans of north and south america whose lineage traces back to siberia did not carry the y gene
that gene got to america on its own and very long ago either before after or at the same time the native americans arrived
here is the article www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dna-search-first-americans-links-amazon-indigenous-australians-180955976/
Thank you for your effort to smoke out pseudo science!
the entire mural is BS not just the olmec head appropriation
Factssss
lol the racist committee
How is the rest of the mural BS?
"WE WAZ NATIVE" dosen't work
Don't mock like that. You're better than that. It was a mistake on the part of the artists but it has been fixed.
@@grubert3535 although I know mocking won't get you anywhere. The Olmec on the juneteenth mural was not done by accident.
@@NoSeasBurro I agree. But racist comments don't solve anything.
@@grubert3535 I agree. Which is why If your African American and you see this, please address it and correct your counterparts because anytime we indigenous people do it, we get labeled racist and anti black. There has to be accountability within the African American community otherwise it will cause division between both communities. 👍🏽
@@NoSeasBurro Absolutely sister.
I love my fellow Americans of African descent, I just love my fellow Americans... But.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
I was getting so sick and tired of hearing "but muh Africans had high society, but muh African Olmecs".... Like no! Olmecs aren't African. African history is cool anyway, with the Kingdom of Mali, Nubians, Kushites, Axum... The Bantu invasion. It's what I don't understand about the far left black types... No need to steal anyone's history, your history is already cool.
sadly new evidence from the smithsonian have confirmed what afro centrist have thought all along which is that blacks were in ancient america
the smithsonian has discovered australian aboriginal dna in untouched tribes in south america
that is proof negros were there!
Also the appearance of the el negro olmec monument of tres zapotes confirms the presence of africans in this culture because this monument/olmec sculpture clearly shows negro facial features and a widows peak afro on its head
but i guess people will deny that too
Maybe they don't believe that their history is cool.
@@Konoronn If they don't think their history is cool, they don't know their history. I'm not politically correct or anything, I'm literally a conservative so idgaf about about inclusivity and all that virtue signaling nonsense, so I'm not even saying this just to pat black people on the back.
Their history really is cool, like aside from European history (obviously cause I'm of European descent) African history is my 2nd favorite. Obviously I'm inspired by historical figures, you know, like my profile namesake, and there are lots of African ones that I find inspiring.
Like the Chad King Kaleb of Axum, a Christian, who heard the Himyarite King Dhu Nuwas, a Jew, was persecuting Christians in Axumite Yemen. King Kaleb mopped up the forces of Dhu Nuwas and scared his ass so bad, that he hopped on his horse, and rode it right into a river where he drowned. The Chad King Kaleb later gave his crown to the church of the holy sepulchre, and retired to a monastery so he didn't have to deal with his wife nagging.
@@Konoronn i don't think anybody would appreciate if someone stole their history or hid their history to make them seem inferior
especially when people are denying a mountain of archaeological evidence that proves olmecs were of african descent !
for instance the oldest skulls in america were 100% negroid in skull type and features but people deny this and say that africans only came to america on slave ships
there have even been olmec skeletons found and they almost all look negro
but somehow blacks are claiming some one else's history
that doesn't make sense !!!!
i repeat the olmec skeletons look nothing like native americans!!!!
so who is really claiming who's history
@@augustuscaesar8287 and i guess you and your buddy are the authority on every ones history! I guess we are suppose to just beleive you! F the facts and similarities! Just believe you! The same people who claim Egypt was white! Okay 👌 🙄
As bad as African Americans have been treated in North America, Indigenous North Americans have been treated WAY worse, and while African Americans have whole movements supposedly supporting their rights and well being, Indigenous Americans have been given back hardly anything.
In the investigations of the San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán Archaeological Project at the sites of San Lorenzo and Loma del Zapote, several human burials from the Olmec period were located. The bone consistency in two of them allowed the successful study of their mitochondrial DNA, as part of an investigation that proposes the comparative analysis of the genetic information of the Olmecs with that obtained from subjects of other Mesoamerican societies, under the advice of the specialists María de Lourdes Muñoz Moreno and Miguel Moreno Galeana, from Cinvestav.
In the cells of our body there are two types of DNA. The nuclear, represented by the chromosomes, and the mitochondrial. Mitochondria are small organelles outside the nucleus, responsible for producing the energy required for cellular metabolism. Mitochondrial DNA (MTDNA), contrary to nuclear DNA, is inherited only through the mother to sons and daughters, and they have been the only ones to transmit it throughout the history of humanity. Therefore, mitochondrial lineages, called haplogroups given their uniparental (maternal) origin, are so ancient that they transcend geographic, cultural, and temporal borders. This property of the ADNMT offers anthropology a means to trace the historical evolution of contemporary and also past populations. Thanks to this, the repertoire of maternal lineages is known on a global scale,
The pioneering MTDN study carried out on Olmec individuals, one from San Lorenzo and the other from Loma del Zapote, resulted, in both cases, in the unequivocal presence of the distinctive mutations of the “A” maternal lineage. That is to say, the origin of the Olmecs is not in Africa but in America, since they share the most abundant of the five characteristic mitochondrial haplogroups of the native populations of our continent: A, B, C, D and X.
Beyond what happened in other latitudes, immersed in their particular environmental mosaic from which they took advantage, the Mesoamerican peoples solved multiple challenges of their day to day in a practical and innovative way. This led them to forge such diverse societies, whose achievements in countless areas of human activity made Mesoamerica an extraordinary cultural area of the ancient world. The underlying talent and its bearers were of local descent, and an example of this is the Olmec society, the first Mesoamerican civilization.
Enrique Villamar Becerril. Physical Anthropologist by the ENAH. Doctoral candidate in Mesoamerican studies (UNAM), with an analysis of MTNA in bone remains from various sites of the Preclassic period.
Villamar Becerril Enrique, "DNA studies and the origin of the Olmecs", Mexican Archeology, no. 150, p. 40-41.
Full text in print edition. If you wish to purchase a copy:
raices.com.mx/tienda/revistas-los-olmecas-de-san-lorenzo-veracru...
And almost completely erased from history
Keep trolling ,
African Americans built this country into the power house it is today !!!
@@westside8514 they aint building it no more
@@SpartanChief2277 So why do you think these other groups setup shop in the black community ??
Who do you think is leading the entertainment in sports & music ???
African Americans are the culture and that’s just the reality 💯
As one of the artists who painted this mural, allow me to report to you all that we removed the olmec December of 2021....I personally removed it myself. So we can now move forward
👏👏👏 thank you
Well, it's easy! The Olmecs were not Africans.
Pareciera que no... todos ellos.
OFCOURSE but they where bronze people
@@BRIGHTJUS why do you keep on with your stupidity. The DNA exist now
Thank you! Afroncetrists get on my nerves! And how about Hollywood and the general entertainment media? We now have Black British actors playing the roles of American characters, roles that could well be played by the descendants of Spain or England-colonized Natives. Can we say over representation of African heritage now? Inclusivity for Hollywood just means Black and White.
@@pinkdollangel exactly we ain’t black or dark brown
Let the indigenous cultures be in peace. ✌️ World 🌎🌍
The olmecs were never black africans. They were simply native americans
Great video. You presented this logically and in a good way.
Glad to see they took this bullshit erasure down.
The Olmec were amazing. The Mesoamerican calendar was a stunning intellectual achievement.
In the investigations of the San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán Archaeological Project at the sites of San Lorenzo and Loma del Zapote, several human burials from the Olmec period were located. The bone consistency in two of them allowed the successful study of their mitochondrial DNA, as part of an investigation that proposes the comparative analysis of the genetic information of the Olmecs with that obtained from subjects of other Mesoamerican societies, under the advice of the specialists María de Lourdes Muñoz Moreno and Miguel Moreno Galeana, from Cinvestav.
In the cells of our body there are two types of DNA. The nuclear, represented by the chromosomes, and the mitochondrial. Mitochondria are small organelles outside the nucleus, responsible for producing the energy required for cellular metabolism. Mitochondrial DNA (MTDNA), contrary to nuclear DNA, is inherited only through the mother to sons and daughters, and they have been the only ones to transmit it throughout the history of humanity. Therefore, mitochondrial lineages, called haplogroups given their uniparental (maternal) origin, are so ancient that they transcend geographic, cultural, and temporal borders. This property of the ADNMT offers anthropology a means to trace the historical evolution of contemporary and also past populations. Thanks to this, the repertoire of maternal lineages is known on a global scale,
The pioneering MTDN study carried out on Olmec individuals, one from San Lorenzo and the other from Loma del Zapote, resulted, in both cases, in the unequivocal presence of the distinctive mutations of the “A” maternal lineage. That is to say, the origin of the Olmecs is not in Africa but in America, since they share the most abundant of the five characteristic mitochondrial haplogroups of the native populations of our continent: A, B, C, D and X.
Beyond what happened in other latitudes, immersed in their particular environmental mosaic from which they took advantage, the Mesoamerican peoples solved multiple challenges of their day to day in a practical and innovative way. This led them to forge such diverse societies, whose achievements in countless areas of human activity made Mesoamerica an extraordinary cultural area of the ancient world. The underlying talent and its bearers were of local descent, and an example of this is the Olmec society, the first Mesoamerican civilization.
Enrique Villamar Becerril. Physical Anthropologist by the ENAH. Doctoral candidate in Mesoamerican studies (UNAM), with an analysis of MTNA in bone remains from various sites of the Preclassic period.
Villamar Becerril Enrique, "DNA studies and the origin of the Olmecs", Mexican Archeology, no. 150, p. 40-41.
Full text in print edition. If you wish to purchase a copy:
raices.com.mx/tienda/revistas-los-olmecas-de-san-lorenzo-veracru...
This mistake is a notable example of misinterpreting ancient art.
And I've seen Roman statuary and Victorian era portraits misnamed, wildly, wildly I tell you!
Glad this mix-up got resolved.
@Etruria civilization no such thing as black Olmecs
@Etruria civilization xi people are pseudoscience as well, just look a Moor presence in the America’s as well.
There are no black Olmecs. N
There’s no science to prove your claims and all information and evidence debunks your claims.
The Juneteenth mural is about history, Olmec achievements as originated in africa is not history. At best it is a afrocentrist non proved working hypothesis. Well done by the mural makers to correct that.
Just a correction this was not an accident the artist holds to the Afrocentric ideal of black Africans coming to the Americas during the pre Columbian period
How is it an afrocentric idea when Arabs originally documented “west africans” coming to america in 1311ad under abu bukar II in the Tarik Al Sudan (source)
@@YbgVon where's your proof?
@@vatolocosforever803 it said “source” in parentheses so must be legit
@@aperson8916 no such thing exists.
@@aperson8916 these people claim to have proof but every time you investigate ,their so-called proof there is nothing.
If it was true proof there would be evidence everywhere.
archaeological sites would be everywhere
ancient I bones with DNA extracted from them would be everywhere, and it would be easily proven.
Please use your common sense
Native Americans completely populated North and South America and adapted to all different environments found there, creating advanced civilizations over and over again, so they didn't suddenly need help from Africa in the Olmec civilization. Wouldn't there be evidence in the DNA if they did?
Why aren’t y’all doing it now? Why aren’t you all the blueprint everyone follows? Why is black culture so popular around the world? You guys innovate nothing, you just cosplay and never expand on your culture. It just doesn’t make sense.
@@kdeet3566 We the indigenous people of America have made the world rich from our fertile land and its products, you all foreigners would be homeless without the land of the Amerindian, we did not invite you here. when mexico abolished the slavery that the US colonizers had brought into Texas which was Mexican territory, the US colonizers not wanting to give up their slaves started a war with mexico, and all of the southwest became Slave states that brought on the civil war that ended Slavery promoted industrialization-democracy and launched the US into the rich powerhouse of the world is today. Mexico triggered the end of slavery in the US ended the demand for slaves around the world and ended the slave trade forever in Africa, Slavery was a tremendously lucrative business in Africa centuries ago, for one slave who died in the transatlantic voyage 7 slaves died on African soil at the hands of African slave traders(per Augustine Holl UNESCO African Historian, Africa cannot sweep the truth being complicit in the Slave trade, only then can they begin to heal)By abolishing slavery in its Texas Territory triggered the end of slavery around the world but mexico suffered a tremendous loss of its territory. Without the land of the Amerindians and the riches taken from our land, all of the US citizens would be homeless and starving. God Bless the American Continent the land of the Amerindians
@@kdeet3566 ah yes black culture, something the jews is pushing with your hip hop low life rap culture. So proud
thank you so much for this video! I really appreciated your facts and the undeniable photo. As a native it’s so appreciated…videos such as these👍🏼💛
Hey I Know face anywhere! That's my uncle Junior. Works down there at the Choctaw Nation.
lol love the video but there was nothing accidental here, they knew what they were doing full well. there are no official textbooks or articles that claim those heads are african meaning they got that idea from the putos who came up with it, meaning they were pretty intentional in their placement of that head on the mural. because their want to say that they were already here and that they deserve the credit for our culture and these lands and the ability to say we belong here was more important than taking the 5 seconds it would've taken to look up what we look like, to read a view point that is from an indigenous person and not a pseudo intellectual who looks just like them using that as evidence. there are people from samoa and hawaii who look similar why isn't it them? why does it have to be black people and not the people who were indigenous to the region or hell just some other culture that also has those same features??
They also claim to be Black seminole indians so they can get pay retributions that the US government was going to award to the true Seminole indians in Florida the afros wanted the US government to give them retribution for the land taken from them but when Afros have had their DNA test they come out empty-handed with ZERO indigenous DNA.
I support the position you cannot sit here trying to change history especially if you don't belong in that region of the continent
Trying to figure why they made that statement without the proper Research anyways.
Olmec were incredible. Anyone would be happy to invite them into their family. Good-looking too.
Hahahahaha , you can take them to the movies and cook dinner for them . I hope they like fish heads.
We are the people of the sun, children of the corn🌽🌽🌽🌽
the children of kukulkan
@@FUBARGunpla mixcoatl-quetzalcoatl, chichimec and toltec!
@@TonyfromTO LOL great reply, how could i forget so many. god i love our culture.
@@FUBARGunpla we have many layers of ancestry. I am Nicaraguan so i have heritage from the mesoamerican cultures but also the isthmo-colombian regions as well!
@@TonyfromTO nice! Thats a very unique point of view getting to have am ancestry from both sides. I'm honduran, my grandmother/grand parents are lencan, the ancestors were from similar areas. But as far i know we were pushed into the area of whats now honduras from el Salvador. Many clans exist for we people of the jaguar lol much of our culture being inspired upon by other local meso american such as the mayans
This video was full of FACTS!
this video is missing a lot of facts actually
@@pinkdollangel lol what? you do know
native americans have african origin as well as the olmecs just look up the r1 gene which is found in native americans
this r1 is of african origin, specifically central africa and to top it off there were skeletons found with the olmec heads which almost all of the skulls looked negro and if you compare skull structure you clearly can tell a negro from a native american
the oldest skulls found in america also look like black people and nothing like native americans smh
you gotta check the facts before you call someone a pretendian
look up legao santa olmec skulls !
and the smthsonian recently revealed that australian aborigines dna was found in indigenous untouched tribes of south america
the el negro olmec monument shows a black person with a widows peak afro
@@brucejonesillustrations8721 u hella mad i swear 😆
Yo why is your opening/closing theme song a banger!!?!?! 🔥🔥 beside the wonderfully accurate content and nice speaking voice, the song made me subscribe. I’ll come back everyday just so I can dance to that before I learn something new lol.
Actually, the cultural appropriation is worse than you think. The Olmecs had nothing to do with the Olmec Civilization. Mexican archaeologists called the civilization La Cultura Madre. Grinto archaeologist, Mathew Stirling, showed up in Mexico to take credit for their work. He saw Olmec peoples living near the ancient town sites and so called it the Olmec Civilization. Actually, the Olmecs are a Nahua People, who did not arrive in southern Mexico until around 1100 AD - long after the Olmec Civilization merged into the Maya world. I am not a dilettante stating a speculation. My fellowship coordinator in Mexico was the famous archaeologist Roman Pina Chan. He literally wrote the book , "La Cultura Madre." The Soque (or Zoque) always claimed to be the founders of that civilization. Some of their people migrated to NE Georgia and gave their name to the Soque River. Their descendants are the Miccosukee in Florida and Thloplocco Creek Tribal Town in Oklahoma. Both tribes have some members that look just like the so-called Olmec Heads. This is Richard Thornton, who appeared on the premier of American Unearthed 10 years ago. The film makers neglected to tell you that I was awarded a fellowship to study Mesoamerican architecture in Mexico, so that the host, Scott Wolters, would seem like the expert. I found Scott to be a very likable guy, but he has no professional background in Mesoamerican architecture, or architecture in general.
How fascinating
Good. Africa and African peoples have such rich cultures and histories. Attempting to claim heritage and achievements that belong to Native Americans is insulting to both the indigenous peoples of the Americas and Africans.
The Olmecs weren't native Americans, LOL! Native Americans came from Siberia! The Olmecs were not Siberians. Yall must have forgot.
@Love Me This statement is verifiable nonsense. Black people are not the only people to wear braids. Many cultures around the world engage in hair braiding, just as many cultures engage in the practice of tattooing.
@@GreasusGoldtooth But we are the only people who wore CORN ROLLS which is what the Olmecs are wearing! You can't steal the Olmecs from melanated (black) people. They documented how they looked.
@@SerpentFire Because obviously it's impossible that unconnected groups of people independently came up with the same idea. 🙄 No friend, it's you who can't steal Olmec culture from Native Americans. Africans have so many cultures to be proud of. I don't understand where this need to steal the heritage of others comes from. Great Zimbabwe and Songhai were brilliant African civilizations that deserve more recognition, but no, you want to erroneously claim the Olmecs.
@@GreasusGoldtooth Tell Africans how great their cultures are, LOL! I'm Indigenous to America, with admixture. The Olmecs were black ⚫: period.
There's that Olmec head in Ethiopia, ME-SHE-KO donated to them cause the Olmec supported them during the Italian Ethiopian war
But how will the purple parrots and the blue barracudas challenge the temple .
Kudos once more on the variety and veracity of your content. Good teaching
Theres olmec statue that look Chinese lol these are Mexican indians.
I dont think people undertand these arent exact replicas of american indians. This is ART and art doesnt have to be realistically proportionally accurate. Its called artistic license something they knew very well. Look at Ester island Do you really think those are really big headed beings? NO it was art.
@@1988vikableEven so, Interestingly enough, they still resemble indigenous people of the region more than anyone else including people of African origin.
I've never seen one that "looks Chinese" but they look like Indigenous people.
@@JonDoeNeace I never said they didn't resemble native indigenous people just that sometimes due to the size of the heads and the prism that must contain facial features things can look a bit different to the actual people. They definitely exagerated the size of the head to make it more imposing so why woudlnt they possibly do that to the facial features as well? Sculptures are ART look at the statues of many ancient civilizations realism wasn't always a present concept but Art has always been a concept.
so there is something like whitewash and blackwash - Is there something like Redwash and Yellowwash ?
Smh
Now what about the one in Hyde Park LA? Need to get rid of that one too, ASAP.
Listening to this dude soft shoeing around making the blqks angry😂
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Can you do a video on the Hyde park mural with the Olmec head
You explain plain and simple. I didn't see any connection between Olmecas who was Natives from Mexico and Africa civilizations.Im from Mexico and I have blood line from ancient Cholultecas.One on the cities founded long time ago,before Spaniards conquered Americas.
There is a conspiracy theory that the Olmec were from Africa (without evidence) and the whole world is trying to cover it up for some reason.
It's kinda racist to put the Olmec head there.
The mural is not attractive.
I do like tremendously of your well spoken, diplomatic speech on one of the many careless and deliberate misappropriations of the Natives peoples of the Americas. Using a mere stone carving features of the nose and lip shapes to identify the racial group of peoples is LUDICROUS.
As was said by a well studied historian and researcher on your hour long show on the "Olmec Heads Debunked", Southeast Asians, South Indians, Pacific Islanders and Australian Aboriginals are all have the same exact facial features of the nose and lips similar to the Olmec Heads. And the biggest SLAMMER, there were NO EVIDENCES or even any trace that African cultures came over the great Atlantic Ocean to the Americas, and on some small drifted off fishing boats? Within the Mediterranean Sea Africans migrants on those small boats could NOT even make it to the near-by Italian and Greek Islands without them dying all over the place and the same fate with the Haitians crossing the short distance to the tip of Florida. But long ago the Africans got to the Americas and started the Olmecs? 🤨
It wasn't by accident, they were hoping there was little to no pushback so they can try and validate their false claim.
Good, Because it has nothing to do with there history
The only way to end Black American appropriation of other cultures is to teach actual West African history and achievements in American schools.
It's racist and far over seeds appropriations as if it doesn't have backstop from proprietors being one to seek another culture as easy while still having structure against them. Plenty of news on black violence against natives people increasing, especially with this type of thinkers.
A good example would be the signing of the Buffalo Boys and the carribeans genocides against natives as if it never happened or that it wasn't allowed under the eurocentric rulers because that's false and only is used to not explain native own structure for themselves.
Don't forget to teach them the long history of trade in slaves among tribal people.
Don't forget to teach them that African started slavery by selling their own to the elite, and they were brutal about it. Fact¡
The muralist should had depicted the Nok Civilization (16th century bce/bc-6th century ce/ad) era statues?.
What's with the three different terms on that pointer sign, for one and the same large group of native Americans?
There’s been a large variety of semantics used to label native Americans.
I.e:
Indian, injun, Native American , American Indian, amerindian, aboriginal, Indigenous, and First Nations.
These all refer to the Indigenous people of the Western Hemisphere.
First Nations and Indigenous are the most respectful terms. When being specific it is best to learn a nations name and refer to them as that, I.e Ojibwe, Cree, Navajo, Stólō.
We wuzz Olmecz n'shieet
It's not a very good mural to begin with.
Your video looks like it has a lot of cuts in it right before you said accidental appropriation. Do your research, this isn't accidental.
Thank you for this video.
The Olmec heads have a Polynesian look. Is there a relation between mesoamerican and Polynesian people?
Melanesian/Papuan noses says it all.
...."Is there a relation between mesoamerican and Polynesian...".---No. There isn't.
Probably in South America, which is pretty far away from the Olmecs.
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YOU WISH!!!
@@sunrisings292 not even in South America
@@hannobaalii_makendalii no,, you wish.
Send me a link to an archaeological site or any real scientist that has extracted DNA from any ancient skeletons here in the Americas, that says what you say.
Trust me I'm not going to hold my breath on it
The removal of the Olmec head reflects the artist’s knowledge on Indigenous history
Good to see, my people aren't African, they are Indigenous to Turtle Island!
Why take credit for other people's culture, these are obviously Indigenous and there is no clear evidence that their African. Many natives had those facial features too.
What a thoughtful way to present this topic. I’m Guatemalan and I’m proud of my mesoamerican heritage. My heart goes out to our black brothers and sisters who have also been through so much.
Agreed. The Art and Design school I attended attempted to tell me Olmecs were Africans. This same Art school, Otis College of Art and Design is the birth place of the modern BLM movement and supported Antifa when I was a student and peddled the anti-American Marxism known as Critical Race and Gender Theory, the racial portion being founded at UCLA. Otis racially profiles its students and violates their human rights by committing crimes against their humanity and violating Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
i hope you set the record straight with that school
I'm fascinanted by the mistery of the Olmec civilization. But we should never distort it of fill in the blanks with our political or social agendas.
the comments here are mind boggling to say the least.
on one hand you have Blk Americans claiming africans were already here and the olmecs were African
then you have Blk Americans saying Blk ppl in America are not African and are indigenous to America therefore the olmec were Black. The delusion and confusion is real, all at the expense of indigenous Americans…
Support the removal but I will say I for one feel a great affinity love respect and admiration for Africans/African Americans and their struggle, I feel our struggles run hand in hand . Thanks Nick for another great episode,
Amerindians had various contacts with other Amerindians as well as Non Amerindians like Eskimos, Aleuts, Native Oceanians, Europeans, Metis aka Alaskan Creoles, aka Mestizos, aka Mixed Bloods, Middle Easterners, North Africans, Sub Saharan Africans, And Far Easterners yeah
Yes, in later times but not Olmec era.
...." Middle Easterners, North Africans, Sub Saharan Africans, And....".---Nope. The Olmecs had nothing to do with them. Fact.
Funny kids...
Yes. You can read about it in my new book when it's published called "They came AFTER Columbus".
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 the book have been prove fake by the own books he use, read the books on the bibliography and his book doesn't make sense
@@cantcomewithsomethingorigi6799 not surprised
good job on removing that image. And good job on reporting on it.
When black African American have ideology of 'Afrocentric believe olmec, ancient Egyptian as black sub-saharan african just like them(black african american), why not have own ancient or medieval huge stone carving statue or head in west africa, central africa or south africa? or grand sophisicated architecture and monument comparable to Romans, Chinese, Arabs, Persian, Indian, Greeks, Europeans, Cambodian/Khmers, Indonesian, Burmese, Japanese and Mesoamerican, any in West and Central Africa, any building at least like 'Norte Dame' or 'Taj Mahal'. What reason behind black african american stealing and claiming others people history, heritage and civilization?
We need this removed
It was removed
@Love Me no black suprimist they are not our ancestors wabo
@Love Me you have no archaeological sites you have no ancient bones that have your DNA.
If anything of what you say was true evidence would be everywhere and undeniable
@Love Me all the TH-camrs you listen to get their information from the freedmen ACT
Those were black slaves owned by the five Civilized Tribes.
@Love Me like I said you have no archaeological sites,, you have no DNA evidence,, you have no Pottery,, you have no sculptures..
But there's plenty of proof of blacks being owned by the indigenous tribes.
Which are called the Five Civilized Tribes
The problem with the past is that it mostly is unknown. Ann Cyphers' studied just two Olmec bodies on which she based the DNA report, if I remember correctly. There are not a lot around to be studied. There could have been individuals who migrated from Africa who settled in the Americas. No one really knows. It's probably a pretty good bet that the Olmec heads depict people who came from a long line of residents in the Americas, but no one can say for sure. The earth's population has been so homogenized that there are surprises announced all the time. Many of us still alive were taught that the Clovis came first and that continental drift was a fringe theory.
🤣🤣🤣 no. The Olmec have decendants and remains all around that region who are Haplogroup A.
...."individuals who migrated from Africa who settled in the Americas...".---There's no evidence of African DNA in the New World before Columbus. Fact.
..."No one really knows...".---Wrong. We do.
If I'm not mistaken, there's 17 Olmec heads. None of which, according to science are of African origin. Please stop trying to make excuses for this group trying to erase indigenous people out of history.
Actually they studied 300 Olmec burial sites. No African DNA. Only modern day indigenous people of the Americas share Olmec DNA.
Keisha cut it out
Whose culture is being appropriated? Excuse the typo in my previous comment. Thanks
The culture and achievements of the Olmec civilisation.
Just as reprehensible as when white South Africans claimed that ancient Zimbabwe could not have been built by native Africans.
All native Americans are related, first peoples aborigines all share the same DNA. Olmecs ancestors still live in southern Mexico today.
Did they leave statutes in China and Mongolian?
While this was a mistake I support the artist in connecting African American and indigenous american history there are large demographics of people who are mixed African and indigenous heritage who are ignored, the garifuna for example, but appropriating another culture that has no connection to African American struggles is just cultural erasure and silences meso american voices
The community in Mexico in Guerrero who are a mix of Indigenous and African are a tiny minority they make about %1 of the Mexican population and they are not being ignored in Mexico. The problems started when Africans Americans stirred the pot trying to segregate them . In Mexico we don’t the bs where every group gets segregated into a specific race the Mexican government doesn’t even ask for people races in government documents.
And if you are talking about the African American who are mix with Native Americans here in the USA they are also a small minority and it’s up to the Natives Americans tribes to recognize them since they have some self government and only them can decide who gets membership this has nothing to do with the general public or even the USA government.
Did the artist explain why they added the Olmec head to the mural? Were they giving a shout out to the mixed multitudes?
Do they have Indigenous heritage?
The trans Atlantic slave trade took the freedom of many people as an institution and moved them all over the planet .
Saying the Olmecs are/were African is certainly misguided, but I'm curious about the artists reasoning for adding it in the first place
A plethora of African scholars have written and lectured about the African origins of the Olmecs. You should read They Came Before Columbus 👍🏾
Probably heard Olmecs were African so pretty much they believed it. Just like so many people believed those rumors about Catherine the Great and the horse.
You can find an interview where they explain why they added the Olmec head. They DO believe the pseudo history pushed by Van Sertima.
@@onejha there's no plethora of schoolars. Only a few fringe schoolars and pseudo scholars have. Most have never been peer reviewed.
@@jmfn3966 Sir (or ma'am), you're saying that because white/Europeans don't acknowledge others if they don't come from their European university. Pseudo science believes that white people built pyramids and black people didn't. I mean it's common sense, black is south and to be honest, NO ONE knows where white people come from. I mean you learn as far as the Ural mountains in Siberia and then....a mystery! Yall have been forced to acknowledge the Mali and Ghana Empires, and will be forced to reconcile with your black/african ADVANCED beginnings and accomplishments.
I spotted one of these on a cliff in the amazon on google earth...
Below it was a plane with a round tunnel coming out from the cliff face and ended in a big round dome
Dude what the hell was the coordinate
Fuck I need to use Google earth
They thought it could have been built by anyone but the ppl who build them.
I agree to remove them. We are aboriginal north Americans, not central Americans nor Africans.
Black north Americans such as myself are the descendants of African peoples such as but not limited to the Akan, Yoruba, Bamum, Hausa, Xhosa, Fulani, Ewe, Ambundu, Kru, etc, we are not indigenous North Americans. Black North Americans are not aboriginal north Americans, we are the descendants africans. And technically Indigenous North Americans share genetics with Indigenous Central Americans and indigenous South Americans. Their ancestors came across the Bering strait from Eurasia thousands of years ago to be the first Americans. Tiano, Iroquois, Navajo, Maya, etc. I’m currently researching African religions, that have survived in USA-Louisiana, Brazil, Cuba, & Haiti.
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Were Africans the 'first Americans'? 3D reconstruction of 10,000-year-old caveman's face controversially challenges long-held theories about the first settlers. Digital imaging by Brazilian graphic designer, Cicero Moraes - who is not of African decent himself - shows the features of a 40 to 50-year-old prehistoric African man whose face resembles Australian Aborigines.
How did they get Olmec DNA?
Like many on here, Thank You,.....been saying this and still do the Olmec are Native and are as in they are still here,........Much Love,...!
I'm sorry, but the terms "fringe" and "pseudo" are very loaded when discussing the sciences used to discredit people who do not feel the same way you might. I really despise the terms because it immediately discredits anybody who isn't lock-step with mainstream academia. Archeology, history, science, etc., are predicated on finding new evidence and promoting more theories and more discussion. Surely you must know that these are highly loaded terms. We have many "best guesses" on a variety of these subjects... and many poor guesses, in my estimation. Labelling other guesses as fringe is sort of weak though. Would I have added the Olmec head? No. But I really despise the dialogue that has plagued academia in the humanities and sciences and think that if anybody is whitewashing, people who still use those terms to discredit contemporaries in this very fluid and exciting discipline are at the top of the list. Most of the greatest discoveries began as "fringe". We all want more truth to come out, but not like that.
This was very negative, but I do still want to give kudos to a very informative and fascinating channel by and large.