2:11:44 great shot I think Shane played pretty well against one of the Chinese Pool monster. Too bad for the slow start because of the unsuccessful break
I am american but in my humble opinion if american players wants to compete in chinese 8 ball they have to make some adjustments on their technique. exam, square their stance and get a straight cue action specially on the back swing.
if you were watching the game, nothing was wrong with shane's ability to shoot & aim. the whole difference was shot selection and how to run out. every one of yubo's shots were basically straight and it got straight position for his next ball. he is also better at bumping balls and played some really good safes. shane is a 10 ball player on pool tables and he runs out on pool tables like crazy. but he's playing patterns he would play on an 'easier' table in comparison to these chinese tables and it's not the same. it's lighter balls, lighter sticks, and the other half of it is shot selection. yubo makes it easy, shane is playing like it's easy (like it is pool pockets, sometimes).
@@mescellaneous The big difference is you cant roll a ball into any pockets. That's a game changer for all american players. You must cue accurately. There is no room for error.
As much as I would love to see Shane win. I would imagine it is very difficult to beat an experienced snooker player on this type of table. The precision needed for pockets like these, Shane just doesn't have. And you can see he knows it. He gets frustrated and it takes him several frames to realize hes not playing the same game as he does here in the states
What snooker player ?! This is Chinese pool. I agree about the precision part, but that is also due to the fact that american pool players are used to different cut pockets that allow them to clip the edge in order to get better position on the next ball.
Zheng Yubo is sponsored by a Chinese cue company called "Yebao" (still sponsored up until now), in their online stores they list their cue diameter as 10-10.5mm and made of North American ash wood, which essentially makes it a snooker cue. There are two types of Chinese 8 ball players, first one with very small diameter such as Yubo, and the other with standard pool cues with a diameter range of 12-13mm (Tong Lu is a very aggressive Chinese 8 ball player which uses a Peri P20 shaft, same as Jayson Shaw at 12.5mm). A lot of people that I've played with in Chinese 8 ball seems to think that smaller diameters are better since it gives more drawback when playing backspin balls, but as can be seen by a lot of Tong Lu's clips, a crazy draw shot is possible with higher (12.5mm) diameter cues.
Props to Shane for competing at this level at this pool table. I dont think he even has a table like this and opponent to practice in the US. These snooker style smaller pool tables are not meant for the way a standard pool player plays. You can tell the huge difference in the game style these two players have.
Actually, there is a Joy Chinese 8 Ball table at Lucky's in Sioux Falls, SD. I played on it last year and it's brilliant. The owner, a friend of Van Boening, explained that Shane got it in a sponsorship deal with Joy but later sold it to him. Apparently Shane plays there when in town. He also said Shane knows he's got a lot of work to do if he wants to be dominant in the Chinese game like he is in American pool. You're right though, Shane deserves kudos for going out there, doing his best and being competitive. It's great to see the friendliness and respect he clearly has for his opponents, win or lose.
Shane is a great guy and very talented player. Watched some of his interviews at tar etc. Wish to see him soon enough wining the world tittle at 9 ball. Why didnt he participate in the last one?
This should really be the standard of pool these days, we need to get away from the "bar look" and bucket sized tables of US pool. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but the tuxedos and class of this, combined with the smaller pockets just make it better to watch and present to new players. Hence the growing size of prize money in this sport.
At 1:49 in, Shane should have banked the one ball pocket speed which would go easier than the hard 5 ball shot he took. If missed, it would be a blocker for three balls in the lower right quadrant.
Clearly the table favored the Chinese player's game. Also took Shane a few racks to mimic his opponents break. Tough to spot a guy 5 racks and expect to win.
No, a kid can run out an american table with buckets for pockets and straight cut jaws that allow for cheating. you need 0 accuracy to play american pool that's why this game was invented. It was too easy and leaves too much to chances so Chinese-8 ball was invented to fix that. People from snooker background also find this game enjoyable, whereas a snooker player almost for certain will find pool boring and easy and just yield random winners. American pool is like checkers and snooker is like Chess or GO, where a lot more is dependent on skills
BelowMars Yes. Shot making is much more difficult on that table so the game should involve a different strategy. That doesnt make it a better game just a different game. Based on my observations of this match, Shane was the superior shooter by far. The Chinese player minimized ball movement and angles into the pocket. And on this table that helped him. The other difference were the dry breaks. Shane's loss was due to his lack of experience on that table. Period. I'd like to see that match played on a 9 foot Diamond here in the states. Respect to China for putting on such a professional tournament.
"better" is a personal opinion and is a word I have not used. I personally think it is better but you can think differently. american pool is boring and easy to play, and due to such, it is missing a lot of elements and strategies in Snooker or Chinese 8 ball, the latter 2 are much more complete games. When I play american pool I feel like I'm playing checkers I could never know who is going to win, but in Snooker I feel like I'm playing chess or the board game GO where every bit of skill count. I must disagree with you that SVB is a superior shooter, on a 9 foot diamond the Chinese player would've made shot and put on more sides just like SVB, SVB couldn't adapt not because he didn't want to, but he did not have the accuracy required for this game. As the commentators pointed out, SVB does not have stable cue action as a disciplined snooker player, SVB's foundation was never polished to meet snooker's accuracy standard, which is needed in Chinese 8 ball. His stance is loose, bridging arm shaky, cue arm also has less disciplined delivery action, head shaky, body too high, no chest-to-cue discipline, feathering never has the pull-pause-shoot mechanics, all would be okay for pool but for chinese 8 ball or snooker they are way below a world class player's requirement.
Just because a pool player has an unorthodox fundamental set up and stroke doesn't mean they're not accurate enough to play snooker. If you placed any of the top 5 pool players in the world onto the snooker circuit for a few years they would be competing at the highest level. And vice versa with snooker players. Snooker and pool are different sports, but they're basically the same at the end if the day. Hitting one ball into another to make it go into 1 of the 6 pockets. One sort doesn't produce more accurate potters, and the other sport doesn't produce more powerful players that can send the cue ball around the table 6 times before landing perfect on the 9. Btw, do some research and take notice of the times that some snooker players (like O'Sullivan) came to the US and played some 9 ball and got beat in the long run.
And YES, I HAVE seen the Ronnie O'sullivan show where he goes to the US to play pool. O'sullivan was able to beat many pro-am level amateurs, he was just fking around, and he was to beat even pros like Jeanette Lee etc. Had professional pool players like SVB, Jeanette Lee went to UK(or even within US for your sake) to play snooker with ONLY club-level snooker players, they would most likely lose, badly, even against club-level snooker players.
Though I agree its harder to pocket shots on a Chinese table, I feel like playing and spectating American pool is more exciting. Chinese 8 ball players have been taught to duck on shots that most pool players would attempt to pocket every time. Take the famous 8 ball run-out by Chris Melling in last years World Pool Series. He goes for pocketing on every shot, many of which a Chinese 8 ball player would never even think about attempting. Again, I don't aim to take away from the obvious immense skill of Chinese 8 ball players, I just find it to be a boring game for those who strive for incredible run-outs. Here's a link to the run-out I'm talking about: th-cam.com/video/vKD7EdzMjAM/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, I'm sure these Chinese 8 ball players would be a lot more adventurous on American tables, but you just can't get away with it on these tables. Even someone as flamboyant as Chris Melling, who now regularly competes in Chinese tournaments and does well, wouldn't attempt such daring run-outs on these tables because he'd miss. Even simple rail shots on American tables are made hard on these pockets.
解说好专业，思路非常清晰
Zheng Yubo.........EFFORTLESS PERFECTION..
SVB didnt play bad as well. Missed a few chances tho.
Svb def played great. But it seemed Zheng just saw the outs much easier. I was sweating for SVB to get out a lot. Lol.
2:11:44 great shot
I think Shane played pretty well against one of the Chinese Pool monster. Too bad for the slow start because of the unsuccessful break
I am american but in my humble opinion if american players wants to compete in chinese 8 ball they have to make some adjustments on their technique. exam, square their stance and get a straight cue action specially on the back swing.
if you were watching the game, nothing was wrong with shane's ability to shoot & aim.
the whole difference was shot selection and how to run out. every one of yubo's shots were basically straight and it got straight position for his next ball. he is also better at bumping balls and played some really good safes. shane is a 10 ball player on pool tables and he runs out on pool tables like crazy. but he's playing patterns he would play on an 'easier' table in comparison to these chinese tables and it's not the same. it's lighter balls, lighter sticks, and the other half of it is shot selection. yubo makes it easy, shane is playing like it's easy (like it is pool pockets, sometimes).
Miscellaneous those are the same as American 8 and 9 game balls, they've been using cyclops an American brand if I'm not mistaken.
@@mescellaneous The big difference is you cant roll a ball into any pockets. That's a game changer for all american players. You must cue accurately. There is no room for error.
As much as I would love to see Shane win. I would imagine it is very difficult to beat an experienced snooker player on this type of table. The precision needed for pockets like these, Shane just doesn't have. And you can see he knows it. He gets frustrated and it takes him several frames to realize hes not playing the same game as he does here in the states
What snooker player ?!
This is Chinese pool. I agree about the precision part, but that is also due to the fact that american pool players are used to different cut pockets that allow them to clip the edge in order to get better position on the next ball.
How come barely any clapping for svb?
Zheng is the best
Any idea what diameter shaft Yubo has? I can't tell if it's a standard 10mm snooker cue or if it's a special Chinese 8 ball cue.
Zheng Yubo is sponsored by a Chinese cue company called "Yebao" (still sponsored up until now), in their online stores they list their cue diameter as 10-10.5mm and made of North American ash wood, which essentially makes it a snooker cue. There are two types of Chinese 8 ball players, first one with very small diameter such as Yubo, and the other with standard pool cues with a diameter range of 12-13mm (Tong Lu is a very aggressive Chinese 8 ball player which uses a Peri P20 shaft, same as Jayson Shaw at 12.5mm). A lot of people that I've played with in Chinese 8 ball seems to think that smaller diameters are better since it gives more drawback when playing backspin balls, but as can be seen by a lot of Tong Lu's clips, a crazy draw shot is possible with higher (12.5mm) diameter cues.
@@justinhhhh-069 Thank you so much bro. I will look them up! 🙏👍
Props to Shane for competing at this level at this pool table. I dont think he even has a table like this and opponent to practice in the US. These snooker style smaller pool tables are not meant for the way a standard pool player plays. You can tell the huge difference in the game style these two players have.
Actually, there is a Joy Chinese 8 Ball table at Lucky's in Sioux Falls, SD. I played on it last year and it's brilliant. The owner, a friend of Van Boening, explained that Shane got it in a sponsorship deal with Joy but later sold it to him. Apparently Shane plays there when in town. He also said Shane knows he's got a lot of work to do if he wants to be dominant in the Chinese game like he is in American pool.
You're right though, Shane deserves kudos for going out there, doing his best and being competitive. It's great to see the friendliness and respect he clearly has for his opponents, win or lose.
Shane is a great guy and very talented player. Watched some of his interviews at tar etc. Wish to see him soon enough wining the world tittle at 9 ball. Why didnt he participate in the last one?
Yubo is a beast in this tournament every year.
I’ve played this Chinese billiards in Singapore King’s Pool.
This should really be the standard of pool these days, we need to get away from the "bar look" and bucket sized tables of US pool. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but the tuxedos and class of this, combined with the smaller pockets just make it better to watch and present to new players. Hence the growing size of prize money in this sport.
At 1:49 in, Shane should have banked the one ball pocket speed which would go easier than the hard 5 ball shot he took. If missed, it would be a blocker for three balls in the lower right quadrant.
好厉害
36:40 玄?
Surprised svb not using his carbon shaft
This is an older clip sir
Never seen svb miss hardly ever. Them china pockets must be super tight😂
This is not bucketball.... Way more difficult
Boening has no chance against Zheng Yubo
Clearly the table favored the Chinese player's game. Also took Shane a few racks to mimic his opponents break. Tough to spot a guy 5 racks and expect to win.
No, a kid can run out an american table with buckets for pockets and straight cut jaws that allow for cheating. you need 0 accuracy to play american pool that's why this game was invented. It was too easy and leaves too much to chances so Chinese-8 ball was invented to fix that. People from snooker background also find this game enjoyable, whereas a snooker player almost for certain will find pool boring and easy and just yield random winners. American pool is like checkers and snooker is like Chess or GO, where a lot more is dependent on skills
BelowMars Yes. Shot making is much more difficult on that table so the game should involve a different strategy. That doesnt make it a better game just a different game. Based on my observations of this match, Shane was the superior shooter by far. The Chinese player minimized ball movement and angles into the pocket. And on this table that helped him. The other difference were the dry breaks. Shane's loss was due to his lack of experience on that table. Period. I'd like to see that match played on a 9 foot Diamond here in the states. Respect to China for putting on such a professional tournament.
"better" is a personal opinion and is a word I have not used. I personally think it is better but you can think differently. american pool is boring and easy to play, and due to such, it is missing a lot of elements and strategies in Snooker or Chinese 8 ball, the latter 2 are much more complete games. When I play american pool I feel like I'm playing checkers I could never know who is going to win, but in Snooker I feel like I'm playing chess or the board game GO where every bit of skill count. I must disagree with you that SVB is a superior shooter, on a 9 foot diamond the Chinese player would've made shot and put on more sides just like SVB, SVB couldn't adapt not because he didn't want to, but he did not have the accuracy required for this game. As the commentators pointed out, SVB does not have stable cue action as a disciplined snooker player, SVB's foundation was never polished to meet snooker's accuracy standard, which is needed in Chinese 8 ball. His stance is loose, bridging arm shaky, cue arm also has less disciplined delivery action, head shaky, body too high, no chest-to-cue discipline, feathering never has the pull-pause-shoot mechanics, all would be okay for pool but for chinese 8 ball or snooker they are way below a world class player's requirement.
Just because a pool player has an unorthodox fundamental set up and stroke doesn't mean they're not accurate enough to play snooker. If you placed any of the top 5 pool players in the world onto the snooker circuit for a few years they would be competing at the highest level. And vice versa with snooker players. Snooker and pool are different sports, but they're basically the same at the end if the day. Hitting one ball into another to make it go into 1 of the 6 pockets. One sort doesn't produce more accurate potters, and the other sport doesn't produce more powerful players that can send the cue ball around the table 6 times before landing perfect on the 9. Btw, do some research and take notice of the times that some snooker players (like O'Sullivan) came to the US and played some 9 ball and got beat in the long run.
And YES, I HAVE seen the Ronnie O'sullivan show where he goes to the US to play pool. O'sullivan was able to beat many pro-am level amateurs, he was just fking around, and he was to beat even pros like Jeanette Lee etc. Had professional pool players like SVB, Jeanette Lee went to UK(or even within US for your sake) to play snooker with ONLY club-level snooker players, they would most likely lose, badly, even against club-level snooker players.
Though I agree its harder to pocket shots on a Chinese table, I feel like playing and spectating American pool is more exciting. Chinese 8 ball players have been taught to duck on shots that most pool players would attempt to pocket every time. Take the famous 8 ball run-out by Chris Melling in last years World Pool Series. He goes for pocketing on every shot, many of which a Chinese 8 ball player would never even think about attempting. Again, I don't aim to take away from the obvious immense skill of Chinese 8 ball players, I just find it to be a boring game for those who strive for incredible run-outs. Here's a link to the run-out I'm talking about:
th-cam.com/video/vKD7EdzMjAM/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, I'm sure these Chinese 8 ball players would be a lot more adventurous on American tables, but you just can't get away with it on these tables. Even someone as flamboyant as Chris Melling, who now regularly competes in Chinese tournaments and does well, wouldn't attempt such daring run-outs on these tables because he'd miss. Even simple rail shots on American tables are made hard on these pockets.
You just have to accept the superiority of the Chinese, they are the best whether you like it or not.
@@Zombies8MyPizza American pool is for female players XD. Most people like snooker.
In terms of their ability, whether you see Yubo playing on American table or Chinese table with Shane, Yubo is more advantageous.