Being in the Michigan Drumline the past three years has been epic. Love hearing Joel talk about the team, the team, the team. Haters need to learn that lesson.
@@michaelconnors1301 Suspended for what and by whom though? Talking to recruiting prospects during COVID? Who cares? And a completely overblown sign stealing operation that hasn't even been directly linked to him yet? And that wasn't the hypocrites at the NCAA who suspended him at the end of the regular season it was his own coward of a conference president in his first year on the job who bowed to pressure from other teams in the conference (several of whom were ALSO stealing Michigan's signs). There are coaches who have done FAR worse than Harbaugh has been accused of.
To comment on something in the Saban segment, as a Michigan fan I both agree totally about the selflessness aspect and I'm convinced that personality will begin to matter more than ever in recruiting. Many schools (almost all, tbh) would recruit a kid that was all-world levels of talent but they'd ignore that he was a walking red flag. The mentality would be "All we gotta do is keep him out of trouble and eligible when he's not playing football". And so that's what they'd do. Now that money is above board and persistent free agency is a reality you'll see the personality matter A LOT more than it used to. Yes, he may have Heisman talent but he's a walking red flag so do we want to waste the personal and financial resources recruiting him just to have him transfer because we yelled at him in practice? And so on. It'll matter going forward when it never really used to. Finally, I wish someone would mention that a lot of the NIL anger is from coaches that lost a major competitive edge. I'm a bit sick of Dabo and Saban crying about NIL when it's so blatantly clear that everyone being able to openly pay kids hurt them. It's harder to recruit and win when everyone can pay the kids now. Yet, nobody in the media is mentioning this whenever they decry it's existence.
Kids with red flags have to play somewhere. They will still be pursued heavily. You have to be three years removed from your high school class to declare for the NFL Draft.
Another word for Brooks. Waited his turn behind Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson. Even then, showed explosiveness in limited touches. Averaged over 6 ypc, 12 per reception with 7 TD’s in 54 touches in spot duty. Broke out in 2023 with 187-1139-6.1 ypc-10 TD’s, 25 catches-286, 1 TD. Fast enough, powerful enough, glider and slasher, makes guys miss, good hands, good team guy. Assuming reasonable recovery from injury, a lot to offer in the league.
If he comes back healthy, and stays that way, he looks great. Hes really quick, and regardless of what ALL these draft gurus say, who knows how good he or anyone of these kids will be? I think Brooks will be awesome.
Michigan's players were selfless and they will forever be remembered as legends and greats by millions of fans around the world for it. What they overcame and how they did it on top of it all....that's something.
So laughable klatt said it himself the more you think Michigan cheating had something to do with their success shows how much you understand about football …what’s more likely 19 players in the nfl draft only made it because of cheating…or are you just stupid my bet is the latter
@@Googers503R u mad he’s telling the truth? U must not like facts. Michigan had an elaborate cheating scheme. Connor stallions decrypted all of ohio states signs and we’re calling out their plays in real time. Michigan fans wanna act like it didn’t happen but nobody will actually acknowledge this season as a legitimate championship besides your poverty program.
Great show. I agree with your assessment entirely when it comes to Michigan. Every guy was rooting for every other guy on their team. When Orji came in at quarterback and made a big run, JJ McCarthy was the biggest cheerleader on the sideline.
J Klatt wow what a show man. Some deep quality nonstop. KEEP THIS ONE and replay it again man, because you will not do a better one but a very few times than this one!! I want a hat and the hat makers contact info.
I like your analysis; especially your recognition of Jonathan Brooks. (Yes, I'm a Longhorn!) I also love your pick of Terrion Arnold -- much overlooked because of KoolAid.
Bucky Irving’s best trait is his contact balance. For a smaller guy he absorbs contact so well, always stays up after the first hit. He’s a mix of Austin Ekeler and Darren Sproles
Reality is that the top players at the top schools are raking in NIL dollars, many being well into the 7 figure range. Although a different sport, Caitlin Clark (Iowa women's basketball) is estimated to be earning over $3M in NIL. For the less-touted kids or possibly G5 players, absolutely a couple hundred grand is a big deal. I wouldn't think that it would be that huge for any of the players on this list (except maybe Quinyon Mitchell).
His point was that most players like 99 percent aren’t getting anywhere close to that amount of money. Most might be lucky to get a few thousand a year.
I can do 275.5 for 3 at 197 right now. I did 10 reps the other day of 225 after a set of 275.5 and 253.5. Fresh I could probably do 12 or 13 of 225 but, aint no way I could get to 20. It’s so endurance based once you hit 10 😂.
The Sainristil disrespect continues smh.... But I'll let it slide because of what you said about Michigan from 32:40-37:15. I think your assessment of talent vs team is spot-on, and UM winning it all should be taken as good news for smaller program players. To take it back to the homefront, this next season is going to be so pivotal for Ohio State. They've spent upwards of $7 million to bring in transfer talent and I have genuine doubts about their team culture. Michigan is going to be way out-gunned in the next matchup, but, if Moore can hold the team true to its philosophies and pull out another victory, OSU is going to have an explosion similar to Michigan's post-Lloyd Carr era.
@@Alex-zi1nb Spot on! Ohio State has self reported their cheating, multiple instances this year alone, including bribing…..er uh….contacting a player on another team prior to his entering the transfer portal. I’m certain the Buckeye faithful will be loud in their condemnation of their program sinking to such lows, given how vocal they were about similar alleged behavior at Michigan. Odd that they’re waiting so long to do so though…..🧐…..it’s almost as if their only standards are double standards.
@DeshCanter I remember getting into an argument with you earlier in the year about michigan possibly losing a game this year because of how JJ played during the bowling Green game and you were 100% right about it not being an issue going forward so I won't doubt you again lol. The only reason I remember is cuz I remember your profile pic. I know that's random af but I gotta give you your props for that
I appreciate your honest assessment of Estime. Love the Irish, love the guy, but his showing in the combine was lackluster. I hope he gets to shine in the NFL.
My 6th would be the kid from Kentucky. Davis. Love the way he runs. But man Benson is North South, and gets those tough extra yards. Love the list. I’d like to shout out Cooper Dejean is my favorite defensive player this year
I was doing sets of 11 at 225 in college. I was 6’0 205lb. I only have video of me benching 300lb of plates on a smith machine for 3 reps. Does that count for something?
Michigan was doing a silent count vs psu because of the loud home field advantage so the DL had the advantage on the snap. Chop is a phenomenal athlete yes but it wasn’t an even playing field. Edit: Joel is spot on when it comes to the Saban situation. Talented teams win 90% of the time but it’s a team sport and chemistry matters
Hi joel enjoyed the show always great to catch up with everything going on in the world of college football.And the upcoming draft not mention your Keene insight thanks joel.
Turner sucks. Watch more than just highlights and a 40 time. He got swallowed up by OTs. He's undersized, has no hands, veey little moves. If he doesn't win with speed he's done.
@@PSU2024If your paying attention to turners style and play, then you wouldn't say that, just shows you have a personal problem, probably an Alabama hater like many. Understandable
@@alexmangrum90 I pay close attention to Turners play, probably way more than you have. Meaning not just watching highlights or a 40 time. There are 4 games various teams of every pass rush with Verse, Latu, Chop Robinson and Turner I broke down on youtube. I watched the 4 games of each Edge guy and tallied either win, loss, or NA if play was away from them or QB got the ball out quick. Turner without question had the most losses and least wins. I watched him very indepth. He would make a good 4-3 LB lining up as a regular LB vs the run which he is more built for. Because he is not built or skilled enough to have a 6-5.. 300lb OT across from him. I could show you the game film if you'd like. And for the record I have tremendous respect for Bama. They have been the standard. So its you sir that are the hater because maybe you're a Bama fan and all sore that Im stating Turner is overrated. Like I said I'll gladly show you the film. No honest person can watch this game film I watched and still think Turner is the top edge guy in this draft.
@@alexmangrum90 Listen I am a Penn State fan. I live in PA and I'm a Penn State fan. So I love Chop Robinson. Chop to a lesser extent has the same issues as Turner. They are all speed not a lot of power and certainly not great with their hands. Chops a little bigger and better with his hands though he's far from where he should be with his hand usage. Tonight or later today I am going to post all the pass rushes Turner had vs Texas and LSU and you'll see exactly what I am saying. I didn't like the fact that I thought Chop was going to be better but the film doesn't lie. So if we are going to evaluate fairly, we have to take our bias out of it. And right now Turner nor Chop are as good as Verse or Latu. And frankly it's not even close.
I think Trey Benson is #1. Reminds me of a mix between AP and Gurley II. Solid speed, great burst, catches well in the backfield, and bulldozes defenders down.
I call BS on the Nick Saban part (not from you Klatt, but from Nick). Videos and photos of Bama players from poor family pushing BMWs, Mercedes, Dodge Chargers, $100K pickups, etc. Saban's issue is that he can't control NIL the way he could before. Let's call a spade a spade. Great coach but also benefited from the best boosters over his entire Bama career
Bama was ALWAYS a top college in terms of paying players through boosters. Why do you think they had a solid dozen 4 and 5 star recruits each year? You think those players are going to Bama to MAYBe get playing time? No, they went because they got paid big bucks to attend Bama.
@@Sonic-wb7ik Well yes, yes it does. I'm 33 and if I wasn't informed about cfb but my son was athletically talented enough to play college football I would automatically think about bama football because the recent & long term success in college football is a known fact.
@@JoelKlattShow Hi Joel, love the show. He shows everything that a star RB would. He's big at 6'1 235 lbs, he's fast, has great finesse, is a smart player, and his stats are great. 1300+ yards as a freshman is insane!
Blake Corum is the most overlooked player in this draft. His running mate Edwards looked better while Corum seems like moving in slow motion in comparison.
I was a highschool oline and dlineman, i also had scholarships to go play in college. I chose a different path however i could only bench 225, 7 times.
Chop Robinson in the UM game last year . . . I agree that he is a great player, and the sacks were legit., but one thing I do not hear mentioned much is just how tough it is to play at Penn State in front of that frenzied crowd. I don't think the lineman could hear the snap and by that time Chop was around the corner.
Also, that UM lineman (Barnhard?) really is a guard build wise, but got put at tackle for depth chart reasons. Once Zinter went down against OSU, he moved inside and played much better, including against Bama in the semis (blocking downfield for the critical Corum td)
3 edge players ahead of Latu, just because of injury history or are there parts of his game that he is worried about? I think Saban had perfected college coaching pre-NIL and the changes to transferring. Once money got involved and it became easier to leave, given his accomplishments, he just didn't have the drive to figure out how to make the necessary changes.
@@dyingaliveI usually do 225 for 15 but I’ve never tried to go heavier or higher. I usually do 3 sets of 225 for 15, 12, and 10. I honestly worry more about controlling the weight than power. I honestly dont lift for power. I’m more about high rep and building muscle endurance.
People are talking about Dallas Turner like he's just an athlete who blew it up at the combine. As if he wasn't one of the most productive edge rushers the past two seasons in college football. He's not Trevon Walker or Nolan Smith who had little to no production, only showed flashes and just showed up to the combine and wowed people. DT has put a lot of elite production on tape. That's why I have him as my number one defender too. It's elite production to go along with off the charts testing. You combine those two together and you have a top 10 worthy edge rusher.
im a georgia fan as im from the state, and just for the record, travon walker didn’t produce much, but nolan smith got injured his last year. he was a great linebacker that stood out in college when you watched any game
@@UnderratedReVo For sure. not saying those guys weren't good and with Smith it was injury that hurt his production especially his final year. Just pointing out that I keep seeing this narrative about Turner that he's just an athlete or the "potential" pick after his amazing combine. Which just isn't the case.
Klay you said Brooks was a little bit older but he not only has plenty tread on the tires but he’s only 20 yrs old as well🔥 Trying to trade into the back first for him in my 12man SF TE premium lg he’s gonna be a baller once he’s fully back ik it’ll take sometime to get all the way into form but I believe in Brooks
Most Alabama fans will tell you that, while we love Arnold, McKinstry is the better corner. There's a reason that McKinstry doesn't have the counting stats that Arnold has; his man was blanketed and almost never open. Love both, but give me the guy that QBs are afraid to throw on.
I like Marshawn Lloyd, and he can be had in the 4th, maybe even later. Highlight tapes make anyone look great, but hes really quick and agile. Wouldnt shock me at all if hes the best in this class.
All this talk of devotion on the UM squad, and the least devoted guy was Harbaugh. While I dont blame him for leaving, It is noteworthy that the players were almost the opposite, bypassing better situations personally for the benefit of team success. It was very much a player led team, which is why they were able to thrive despite all the chaos and Harbaugh suspensions. Leadership matters...and the best leadership comes from within.
Harbaugh took a payout to stay, and he remained during the tough times and never complained. How do you question his devotion? The devotion you saw in the players were a direct result of the energy and enthusiasm Harbaugh placed in creating the current culture. How do you question the man that lead these young Michigan Men to be the selfless person they are now? Even these players continue to praise him even after he left. Yet you, someone who just watch from afar criticize his devotion when every player and coach involved with him during this years of championships sings his praise? What credentials do you have to have your word taken as oppose to the players and staff?
The “kids” these days aren’t stupid. They would know if somethings isn’t right in Tuscaloosa and didn’t just blindly assume Saban was going to actually put them in the right place to actual win the national championship regardless of any “message”. What good are nation championships to players who’ll never get to the nfl regardless of their contributions to Saban’s teams?
@AlphaDwg That this story/ Saban portrays his own players as soft, entitled whiners- when they simply wanted reasonable assurances/compensation for their labor. Saban couldn't cope with not being in absolute control, so he left- like others are
Now with all due respect Joel, that Samaj Morgan dropped punt set up Bama's first score. Michigan shot itself in the foot numerous times in the Rose Bowl🌹
Great show. Yes, contracts. They all deserve pay, but there needs to be organization in how the pay is structured. A free-for-all is never good in anything, long term.
Why does there have to be organization? Have no use for Saban who was making 10 to 12 million a year. He's a real piece of work talking now non-stop. As though he is a sage about anything. Except defensive football before the spread came into vogue.
@@eddievangundy4510 organization in anything - sports, business, household, etc keeps everything from falling apart. I think it’ll be good for the players.
Couldn't agree more. I believe the only way through this is a collective bargained agreement with a players association. It's the only way to have safeguards on both sides. -Joel
I disagree with the statement that Michigan by proxy was more committed or devoted than a UGA. Michigan are the champs, no problem. UGA has been the epitome of a committed, unified program. One 3 point loss to Bama in a championship game on the back of a muffed trick play turnover in the shadow of their endzone doesn’t erase that. Michigan beat Bama but has never been able to beat UGA, and they have had a couple of opportunities to do it. If roles were reversed, I doubt Michigan would finish the season the way UGA did in the Orange Bowl. That was the best illustration of how dedicated and committed a program could be when they had NOTHING to play for. That’s my only gripe
You can’t say Michigan was less talented than all those teams when they’re the team who as sent the most player in the combine in a single year come on now Michigan was stacked top to bottom
I’m a huge college football and I can’t wait to play cfb25. I don’t know how they will put nil in dynasty mode but it sounds fun. Now back to the video, these contracts Joel are they guaranteed for the players. Cause if they are let’s say you sign 3 years guaranteed. The kid doesn’t live up to the deal Alabama cuts him. I think that would be giving the universities too much power.
To say Michigan was more committed to winning than UGA is a bit blasphemous… UGA lost the wrong game last year (1st in nearly 3 years mind you)… by 3 points with most of their starting production injured… now I’m not one to blame injuries and by all means we still lost the game and didn’t deserve to play on the CFP… but don’t say Michigan is more committed to winning than UGA… the record over the past 3 seasons speaks for itself… INCLUDING A WIN H2H
Michigan and uga records are almost identical over the last 3 years tho uga is slightly better. Georgia is 42-2 and Michigan is 40-3. Really the only difference is the head to head game in 2021 and Georgia has 2 natty and 1 conference championship while Michigan has 1 natty and 3 conference championships
@@jalencampbell718 Michigan doesn’t play Bama or LSU in their conference championship either… they play Iowa who we all know can’t score to save their lives. Imagine if Michigan had to play OSU caliber teams twice a year. The power in the big 10 was always in the East and the west was a cupcake. With the west coast schools coming in that’s changed finally. I digress… I’ll say it again to say Michigan is more committed to winning than UGA (who rattled off 3 straight undefeated regular seasons WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN DONE) is blasphemous 🤷🏽♂️ if you want to say they executed better than UGA last season then no arguments there. UGA didn’t take care of business in the SECCG and Michigan cleaned up our mess. But don’t say UGA isn’t as committed to winning as Michigan. That’s inherently untrue and by all means UGA is the standard of CFB at this point
@@consciousm1nd for 1 I never said Michigan plays Alabama and lsu in their conference championship I literally pointed out the fact that Michigan and Georgia are literally 1 game apart in record over the last 3 years and for 2 the big 10 east is tougher than the sec east so it's easier for a team like Georgia to make it to the sec championship game than it is for a team like Michigan to make it to the big 10 championship. Yea Michigan has an easier opponent in the big 10 title game but Georgia isn't challenged until they make it to the sec championship so it's basically a reverse situation. And just because a team is has more talented players doesn't mean they are more committed to winning it just means they have more talented players. The fact that Michigan is barely top 15 in composite talent and uga is top 2 in the same category but have almost identical records pretty much proves my point. Not to mention Michigan beat the team Georgia lost to (basically at home) on a neutral site with a less talented roster
@@jalencampbell718 UGA plays more ranked opponents every year than Michigan does… it took 10 weeks before Michigan played their first ranked team 😂😂 I also never said that YOU said Michigan was more committed to winning. That’s what JOEL KLATT said in the video. You didn’t have to say Michigan plays Bama and LSU WE ALREADY KNOW THEY DONT. We also already know Michigan plays 2 “tough” games a year in OSU and Penn St. if you even want to call PSU a tough game considering they never win big games. Other than those 2 games Michigan plays cupcakes the entire season 😂 Michigan LOST TO UGA HEAD TO HEAD. Bama beat UGA when the 3 leading WRs were all injured 🤷🏽♂️ again I’m not one to blame injuries. It doesn’t change that we lost the game but does provide context to the game. Would it have been different if Bowers, McConkey, and Rara Thomas were healthy and playing? Maybe… maybe not 🤷🏽♂️ I’d like to say so. As far as the talent point goes. UGA is the standard due to being better at everything 🤷🏽♂️ UGA recruits better than everyone and plays better than just about everyone. Let’s be honest here… in the last 2 years if your name isn’t Bama YOU DIDNT BEAT UGA 🤷🏽♂️
You are gonna be responding to a lot of emails. 225 is alot but its not outrageous. Im 53 now. at 30, 15 reps at 225 wouldn't be a problem and I was far from the strongest. There are LOTs of amateur lifters who can run 225 all day long.
Being in the Michigan Drumline the past three years has been epic. Love hearing Joel talk about the team, the team, the team. Haters need to learn that lesson.
Big fan of the drumline
Am I a hater if I point out that M's coach was the first in history to be suspended twice in one season?
Just a doucher homie @@michaelconnors1301
@@michaelconnors1301 Suspended for what and by whom though? Talking to recruiting prospects during COVID? Who cares? And a completely overblown sign stealing operation that hasn't even been directly linked to him yet? And that wasn't the hypocrites at the NCAA who suspended him at the end of the regular season it was his own coward of a conference president in his first year on the job who bowed to pressure from other teams in the conference (several of whom were ALSO stealing Michigan's signs). There are coaches who have done FAR worse than Harbaugh has been accused of.
He bought a kid a burger. NCAA is always looking for a way to be relevant. They're pathetic.
To comment on something in the Saban segment, as a Michigan fan I both agree totally about the selflessness aspect and I'm convinced that personality will begin to matter more than ever in recruiting.
Many schools (almost all, tbh) would recruit a kid that was all-world levels of talent but they'd ignore that he was a walking red flag. The mentality would be
"All we gotta do is keep him out of trouble and eligible when he's not playing football".
And so that's what they'd do. Now that money is above board and persistent free agency is a reality you'll see the personality matter A LOT more than it used to. Yes, he may have Heisman talent but he's a walking red flag so do we want to waste the personal and financial resources recruiting him just to have him transfer because we yelled at him in practice?
And so on. It'll matter going forward when it never really used to.
Finally, I wish someone would mention that a lot of the NIL anger is from coaches that lost a major competitive edge. I'm a bit sick of Dabo and Saban crying about NIL when it's so blatantly clear that everyone being able to openly pay kids hurt them. It's harder to recruit and win when everyone can pay the kids now. Yet, nobody in the media is mentioning this whenever they decry it's existence.
Kids with red flags have to play somewhere. They will still be pursued heavily. You have to be three years removed from your high school class to declare for the NFL Draft.
Another word for Brooks. Waited his turn behind Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson. Even then, showed explosiveness in limited touches. Averaged over 6 ypc, 12 per reception with 7 TD’s in 54 touches in spot duty.
Broke out in 2023 with 187-1139-6.1 ypc-10 TD’s, 25 catches-286, 1 TD.
Fast enough, powerful enough, glider and slasher, makes guys miss, good hands, good team guy. Assuming reasonable recovery from injury, a lot to offer in the league.
If he comes back healthy, and stays that way, he looks great. Hes really quick, and regardless of what ALL these draft gurus say, who knows how good he or anyone of these kids will be?
I think Brooks will be awesome.
Michigan's players were selfless and they will forever be remembered as legends and greats by millions of fans around the world for it. What they overcame and how they did it on top of it all....that's something.
what did they overcome? they cheated
@@Alex-zi1nbooooh time to count up how many times you comment this.
So laughable klatt said it himself the more you think Michigan cheating had something to do with their success shows how much you understand about football …what’s more likely 19 players in the nfl draft only made it because of cheating…or are you just stupid my bet is the latter
They are going to go down as the biggest case of cheaters in the history of college sports. But yeah, they are Michigan Men😂
@@Googers503R u mad he’s telling the truth? U must not like facts. Michigan had an elaborate cheating scheme. Connor stallions decrypted all of ohio states signs and we’re calling out their plays in real time. Michigan fans wanna act like it didn’t happen but nobody will actually acknowledge this season as a legitimate championship besides your poverty program.
Great show. I agree with your assessment entirely when it comes to Michigan. Every guy was rooting for every other guy on their team. When Orji came in at quarterback and made a big run, JJ McCarthy was the biggest cheerleader on the sideline.
15:24 is when the #5 defender gets revealed
Great analysis but Mike Sainristil definitely deserves a spot in the top 5.
You got #1 and #2 mixed up on running backs Joel, but you still get a thumbs up.
Great show as always Joel. Thanks for your insightful commentary. Go Blue!
Joel, I’m taking you up on your bench press challenge!! Love your show!
J Klatt wow what a show man. Some deep quality nonstop. KEEP THIS ONE and replay it again man, because you will not do a better one but a very few times than this one!! I want a hat and the hat makers contact info.
I think Joel is underestimating how many people could do 5 reps on the bench lol. I agree though 20 reps as a CB is crazy
Where’s Audric Estime 😢☘️
Literally explains it right there in the video.
On the fullback list. Guy is too slow
@@kahledalbert1210like Kyren Williams? 🤡
I like your analysis; especially your recognition of Jonathan Brooks. (Yes, I'm a Longhorn!)
I also love your pick of Terrion Arnold -- much overlooked because of KoolAid.
THE Michigan Wolverines have THE best fight song AND helmet logo in the country hands down 🫳🎤
Bucky Irving’s best trait is his contact balance. For a smaller guy he absorbs contact so well, always stays up after the first hit. He’s a mix of Austin Ekeler and Darren Sproles
Great show, Joel.
I can't count how many times I have seen one or two highly talented players have disrupted a teams progress.
Thank you.
To act like a couple hundred grand isn’t changing these kids life has to be one of the most ridiculous comments ever
Reality is that the top players at the top schools are raking in NIL dollars, many being well into the 7 figure range. Although a different sport, Caitlin Clark (Iowa women's basketball) is estimated to be earning over $3M in NIL. For the less-touted kids or possibly G5 players, absolutely a couple hundred grand is a big deal. I wouldn't think that it would be that huge for any of the players on this list (except maybe Quinyon Mitchell).
His point was that most players like 99 percent aren’t getting anywhere close to that amount of money. Most might be lucky to get a few thousand a year.
not what he said
Did you listen to what he said? That's not at all what he was saying
@ap6232- There's a lot of information out there that suggests a lot of those numbers are exaggerated.
Talent vs The will, The Team. Miracle on ice says it all. Many won't know that.
I absolutely could have done 10 reps my senior year in high school; I would do 6-8 as a warmup before powerlifting. 20? Never in a million years lol
Yeah agreed, I could do 10 of 200 but maybe not 11 or 12 :l I would like one of his rose bowl hats though
I can do 275.5 for 3 at 197 right now. I did 10 reps the other day of 225 after a set of 275.5 and 253.5. Fresh I could probably do 12 or 13 of 225 but, aint no way I could get to 20. It’s so endurance based once you hit 10 😂.
Turns out I did 220 for 10 so tried 226 and got 10 😂😂. I’m happy with that tho
The Sainristil disrespect continues smh.... But I'll let it slide because of what you said about Michigan from 32:40-37:15. I think your assessment of talent vs team is spot-on, and UM winning it all should be taken as good news for smaller program players.
To take it back to the homefront, this next season is going to be so pivotal for Ohio State. They've spent upwards of $7 million to bring in transfer talent and I have genuine doubts about their team culture. Michigan is going to be way out-gunned in the next matchup, but, if Moore can hold the team true to its philosophies and pull out another victory, OSU is going to have an explosion similar to Michigan's post-Lloyd Carr era.
philosophies of cheating
@@Alex-zi1nb You're a fools fool.
@@Alex-zi1nbfound the Ohio fan boy.
@@Alex-zi1nb
Spot on!
Ohio State has self reported their cheating, multiple instances this year alone, including bribing…..er uh….contacting a player on another team prior to his entering the transfer portal. I’m certain the Buckeye faithful will be loud in their condemnation of their program sinking to such lows, given how vocal they were about similar alleged behavior at Michigan.
Odd that they’re waiting so long to do so though…..🧐…..it’s almost as if their only standards are double standards.
@DeshCanter I remember getting into an argument with you earlier in the year about michigan possibly losing a game this year because of how JJ played during the bowling Green game and you were 100% right about it not being an issue going forward so I won't doubt you again lol. The only reason I remember is cuz I remember your profile pic. I know that's random af but I gotta give you your props for that
I appreciate your honest assessment of Estime. Love the Irish, love the guy, but his showing in the combine was lackluster. I hope he gets to shine in the NFL.
My 6th would be the kid from Kentucky. Davis. Love the way he runs. But man Benson is North South, and gets those tough extra yards. Love the list. I’d like to shout out Cooper Dejean is my favorite defensive player this year
Well said Joel…’The Team The Team The Team ‘ Bo’s philosophy Go Blue
Defenders for me…
1. Dallas Turner
2. Quinyon Mitchell
3. Terrion Arnold
4. Jared Verse
5. Byron Murphy
With an honorable mention for Jer'zhan Newton
I was doing sets of 11 at 225 in college. I was 6’0 205lb. I only have video of me benching 300lb of plates on a smith machine for 3 reps. Does that count for something?
Smith machine NAHHH MANNNNN GET OUTTA HERE!!
How long do we have on the bench challenge? I can do it.
Michigan was doing a silent count vs psu because of the loud home field advantage so the DL had the advantage on the snap. Chop is a phenomenal athlete yes but it wasn’t an even playing field. Edit: Joel is spot on when it comes to the Saban situation. Talented teams win 90% of the time but it’s a team sport and chemistry matters
cheaters talkin about an even playing field lmao
Megatron was 7Lbs lighter and ran a sub 4.4. These dudes are gifted god given athletes. Salute! 1:38
Megatron was also 3 inches taller and wearing someone else’s shoes because he wasn’t supposed to run it lol
Go Blue!
Hi joel enjoyed the show always great to catch up with everything going on in the world of college football.And the upcoming draft not mention your Keene insight thanks joel.
Dallas Turner is no joke. Incredible edge rusher....plus he has a great NFL name. Dallas Turner. He'll be an All-Pro in 2 years time.
Turner sucks. Watch more than just highlights and a 40 time. He got swallowed up by OTs. He's undersized, has no hands, veey little moves. If he doesn't win with speed he's done.
@@PSU2024If your paying attention to turners style and play, then you wouldn't say that, just shows you have a personal problem, probably an Alabama hater like many. Understandable
@@alexmangrum90 I pay close attention to Turners play, probably way more than you have. Meaning not just watching highlights or a 40 time. There are 4 games various teams of every pass rush with Verse, Latu, Chop Robinson and Turner I broke down on youtube. I watched the 4 games of each Edge guy and tallied either win, loss, or NA if play was away from them or QB got the ball out quick. Turner without question had the most losses and least wins. I watched him very indepth. He would make a good 4-3 LB lining up as a regular LB vs the run which he is more built for. Because he is not built or skilled enough to have a 6-5.. 300lb OT across from him. I could show you the game film if you'd like. And for the record I have tremendous respect for Bama. They have been the standard. So its you sir that are the hater because maybe you're a Bama fan and all sore that Im stating Turner is overrated. Like I said I'll gladly show you the film. No honest person can watch this game film I watched and still think Turner is the top edge guy in this draft.
@@PSU2024 OK. I believe Turner & Braswell both will have great nfl careers, time will tell.
@@alexmangrum90 Listen I am a Penn State fan. I live in PA and I'm a Penn State fan. So I love Chop Robinson. Chop to a lesser extent has the same issues as Turner. They are all speed not a lot of power and certainly not great with their hands. Chops a little bigger and better with his hands though he's far from where he should be with his hand usage. Tonight or later today I am going to post all the pass rushes Turner had vs Texas and LSU and you'll see exactly what I am saying. I didn't like the fact that I thought Chop was going to be better but the film doesn't lie. So if we are going to evaluate fairly, we have to take our bias out of it. And right now Turner nor Chop are as good as Verse or Latu. And frankly it's not even close.
I think Trey Benson is #1. Reminds me of a mix between AP and Gurley II. Solid speed, great burst, catches well in the backfield, and bulldozes defenders down.
Agree
Maybe a mix of Barry Sanders, Jim Brown and Bo Jackson too?
@@andrewt4548 exactly😂😂😂 dude mentioned two of the best running backs of the last 20 years lmaoooo
@@andrewt4548toss in a little Jerome bettis, with a pinch of William Perry, and a splash of that oj mentality.
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I call BS on the Nick Saban part (not from you Klatt, but from Nick). Videos and photos of Bama players from poor family pushing BMWs, Mercedes, Dodge Chargers, $100K pickups, etc. Saban's issue is that he can't control NIL the way he could before. Let's call a spade a spade. Great coach but also benefited from the best boosters over his entire Bama career
Bama has never been near the top with boosters, making Sabans success even more impressive and probably never achieved again.
Bama was ALWAYS a top college in terms of paying players through boosters. Why do you think they had a solid dozen 4 and 5 star recruits each year? You think those players are going to Bama to MAYBe get playing time? No, they went because they got paid big bucks to attend Bama.
@@Sonic-wb7ik Or they went because of the history & tradition of success 🙄😅
@alexmangrum90 yes, because history and success resonates so well with millennial and Gen Z. I'm sure that's the reason. 🤣
@@Sonic-wb7ik Well yes, yes it does. I'm 33 and if I wasn't informed about cfb but my son was athletically talented enough to play college football I would automatically think about bama football because the recent & long term success in college football is a known fact.
Braelon Allen has got to be top 5. He's a great player that could easily be a star in the NFL.
There are 8 guys that could be in the Top 5... but eventually you have to make the decision. I think Allen will be a really good pro. -Joel
@@JoelKlattShow Hi Joel, love the show. He shows everything that a star RB would. He's big at 6'1 235 lbs, he's fast, has great finesse, is a smart player, and his stats are great. 1300+ yards as a freshman is insane!
Blake Corum is the most overlooked player in this draft. His running mate Edwards looked better while Corum seems like moving in slow motion in comparison.
Doesn't Verse have a better RAS than Turner? Why say that he doesn't have top line testing?
Bruh, I just squeezed out 7. 20 is impressive
Hey joel how do you think steel chambers out of OSU will do in the draft/NFL
I was a highschool oline and dlineman, i also had scholarships to go play in college. I chose a different path however i could only bench 225, 7 times.
I want a feature on the pod to talk qb rankings
You didn't even mention Ray Davis. He's got the potential (and track record) to be a very good RB in the NFL.
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Where do I send the video doing 225 for 20?
Chop Robinson in the UM game last year . . . I agree that he is a great player, and the sacks were legit., but one thing I do not hear mentioned much is just how tough it is to play at Penn State in front of that frenzied crowd. I don't think the lineman could hear the snap and by that time Chop was around the corner.
Also, that UM lineman (Barnhard?) really is a guard build wise, but got put at tackle for depth chart reasons.
Once Zinter went down against OSU, he moved inside and played much better, including against Bama in the semis (blocking downfield for the critical Corum td)
3 edge players ahead of Latu, just because of injury history or are there parts of his game that he is worried about? I think Saban had perfected college coaching pre-NIL and the changes to transferring. Once money got involved and it became easier to leave, given his accomplishments, he just didn't have the drive to figure out how to make the necessary changes.
I have a video on my TH-cam of me doing 315 for 22 reps, so there are a few of us out here watching Joel. Lol
Yeah considering his demographics there will be at least a few percent that can do 225 20 times
@@dyingalive I would think so too.
@@dyingaliveI usually do 225 for 15 but I’ve never tried to go heavier or higher. I usually do 3 sets of 225 for 15, 12, and 10. I honestly worry more about controlling the weight than power. I honestly dont lift for power. I’m more about high rep and building muscle endurance.
You can't play DB...Solid work on your part nevertheless. Well done.
@@RedEyeItachi I got past a certain age and switched to weight caps with higher reps or sets too.
Dang. Audric Estime not even top 5 in RB list
Calvin Johnson: 6’6” 240 lbs 4.29 40 time. Micah parsons: 6’3” 245 lbs 4.36 40 time. There’s a lot more of them. Stop.
You named 2…Keep going.
1. Marshawn Lloyd, 2. Trey Benson
My record at 225 lbs was 23 reps, soooo...where's my hat Joel?! That was two years ago. I don't think I can do it right now. 😅
Ollie Gordon and Cody Schrader?
Cooper Dejean is my number one defender in this class, I really hope the Hawks take him at 16 if he’s there
People are talking about Dallas Turner like he's just an athlete who blew it up at the combine. As if he wasn't one of the most productive edge rushers the past two seasons in college football. He's not Trevon Walker or Nolan Smith who had little to no production, only showed flashes and just showed up to the combine and wowed people. DT has put a lot of elite production on tape. That's why I have him as my number one defender too. It's elite production to go along with off the charts testing. You combine those two together and you have a top 10 worthy edge rusher.
im a georgia fan as im from the state, and just for the record, travon walker didn’t produce much, but nolan smith got injured his last year. he was a great linebacker that stood out in college when you watched any game
with that being said ^ I do agree that dallas turner will be a home run and I hope the falcons draft him.
@@UnderratedReVo For sure. not saying those guys weren't good and with Smith it was injury that hurt his production especially his final year. Just pointing out that I keep seeing this narrative about Turner that he's just an athlete or the "potential" pick after his amazing combine. Which just isn't the case.
@@AlphaDwg agreed
Just did 6 reps of 225 at the gym this morning. I’ll be expecting your response Joe 😉
Off subject but maybe something I would love to hear you talk about…. The Bears haven’t even shopped fields. Are they trading #1?
Joel, I’m going to tear my peck trying to get a autographed hat.
Klay you said Brooks was a little bit older but he not only has plenty tread on the tires but he’s only 20 yrs old as well🔥 Trying to trade into the back first for him in my 12man SF TE premium lg he’s gonna be a baller once he’s fully back ik it’ll take sometime to get all the way into form but I believe in Brooks
Most Alabama fans will tell you that, while we love Arnold, McKinstry is the better corner. There's a reason that McKinstry doesn't have the counting stats that Arnold has; his man was blanketed and almost never open. Love both, but give me the guy that QBs are afraid to throw on.
I like Marshawn Lloyd, and he can be had in the 4th, maybe even later. Highlight tapes make anyone look great, but hes really quick and agile.
Wouldnt shock me at all if hes the best in this class.
Looks like I'm gonna have to get back into the gym to get that hat
Chop Robinson over Byron Murphy II and Jer'zhan Newton is crazy.
They are all great talents...I like Bucky Irving...but where they play has a lot to do with how it all plays out...
Does this guy ever go over how his evaluations panned out? Like from the last few years especially players not top 100?
All this talk of devotion on the UM squad, and the least devoted guy was Harbaugh. While I dont blame him for leaving, It is noteworthy that the players were almost the opposite, bypassing better situations personally for the benefit of team success. It was very much a player led team, which is why they were able to thrive despite all the chaos and Harbaugh suspensions. Leadership matters...and the best leadership comes from within.
Harbaugh took a payout to stay, and he remained during the tough times and never complained. How do you question his devotion? The devotion you saw in the players were a direct result of the energy and enthusiasm Harbaugh placed in creating the current culture. How do you question the man that lead these young Michigan Men to be the selfless person they are now? Even these players continue to praise him even after he left. Yet you, someone who just watch from afar criticize his devotion when every player and coach involved with him during this years of championships sings his praise? What credentials do you have to have your word taken as oppose to the players and staff?
No braelon Allen?
The “kids” these days aren’t stupid. They would know if somethings isn’t right in Tuscaloosa and didn’t just blindly assume Saban was going to actually put them in the right place to actual win the national championship regardless of any “message”. What good are nation championships to players who’ll never get to the nfl regardless of their contributions to Saban’s teams?
elaborate on what you are trying to say
@AlphaDwg That this story/ Saban portrays his own players as soft, entitled whiners- when they simply wanted reasonable assurances/compensation for their labor. Saban couldn't cope with not being in absolute control, so he left- like others are
I tested it today and I hit 225 for 15 but 20 seems so far away
Robinson didn't bother Michigan much.
Now with all due respect Joel, that Samaj Morgan dropped punt set up Bama's first score. Michigan shot itself in the foot numerous times in the Rose Bowl🌹
Love listening to your insights! I'm rooting for Corum to have a great NFL career. Go Blue!
Audric Estime will be a top 3 RB from this draft.
Sorry Joel love the show but Dallas Turner is only 6’2 which is cause for some concern. His official measurements from the combine
I will volunteer for the 20 reps of 225 challenge. Not easy by any means, but I’m going to start training for this 😂
I'm still surprised that Ollie Gordon didn't enter the draft he probably could have been a 1st rounder
Joel that is unfair man. I just did 225 for 12 on incline this morning. I can’t go do it again until at least Friday 😂😂
Great show. Yes, contracts. They all deserve pay, but there needs to be organization in how the pay is structured. A free-for-all is never good in anything, long term.
Why does there have to be organization? Have no use for Saban who was making 10 to 12 million a year. He's a real piece of work talking now non-stop. As though he is a sage about anything. Except defensive football before the spread came into vogue.
@@eddievangundy4510 organization in anything - sports, business, household, etc keeps everything from falling apart. I think it’ll be good for the players.
Couldn't agree more. I believe the only way through this is a collective bargained agreement with a players association. It's the only way to have safeguards on both sides. -Joel
How are there no Michigan D players in that top 5?
Because they were A Team, A Team, A Team!
22:16 I sent you my bench press
I got a video of me doing 225 for 33 reps I’ll send it to you, I expect that hat Joel
Video coming Joel
How is Cody Schrader or Ray Davis not in the top 5?
More talent on OSU as well...and with their NIL deals......like you said....the team overcomes talent to a certain extent......ie Michigan
I disagree with the statement that Michigan by proxy was more committed or devoted than a UGA. Michigan are the champs, no problem.
UGA has been the epitome of a committed, unified program. One 3 point loss to Bama in a championship game on the back of a muffed trick play turnover in the shadow of their endzone doesn’t erase that.
Michigan beat Bama but has never been able to beat UGA, and they have had a couple of opportunities to do it.
If roles were reversed, I doubt Michigan would finish the season the way UGA did in the Orange Bowl. That was the best illustration of how dedicated and committed a program could be when they had NOTHING to play for. That’s my only gripe
Corum reminds me of Barry sanders
You can’t say Michigan was less talented than all those teams when they’re the team who as sent the most player in the combine in a single year come on now Michigan was stacked top to bottom
For Brooks Less carries Is a good thing. Less wear and tear, no?
Cannot wait to get a hat
Is this why GMs dont wanna pay RBs
I’m a huge college football and I can’t wait to play cfb25. I don’t know how they will put nil in dynasty mode but it sounds fun. Now back to the video, these contracts Joel are they guaranteed for the players. Cause if they are let’s say you sign 3 years guaranteed. The kid doesn’t live up to the deal Alabama cuts him. I think that would be giving the universities too much power.
Wait wait wait... no Jonathan Brooks??
I play college football and got 225 22 times… let me get that hat😂
Jonathon Brooks is only 20. Not a little bit older...
To say Michigan was more committed to winning than UGA is a bit blasphemous… UGA lost the wrong game last year (1st in nearly 3 years mind you)… by 3 points with most of their starting production injured… now I’m not one to blame injuries and by all means we still lost the game and didn’t deserve to play on the CFP… but don’t say Michigan is more committed to winning than UGA… the record over the past 3 seasons speaks for itself… INCLUDING A WIN H2H
Michigan and uga records are almost identical over the last 3 years tho uga is slightly better. Georgia is 42-2 and Michigan is 40-3. Really the only difference is the head to head game in 2021 and Georgia has 2 natty and 1 conference championship while Michigan has 1 natty and 3 conference championships
@@jalencampbell718 Michigan doesn’t play Bama or LSU in their conference championship either… they play Iowa who we all know can’t score to save their lives. Imagine if Michigan had to play OSU caliber teams twice a year. The power in the big 10 was always in the East and the west was a cupcake. With the west coast schools coming in that’s changed finally.
I digress… I’ll say it again to say Michigan is more committed to winning than UGA (who rattled off 3 straight undefeated regular seasons WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN DONE) is blasphemous 🤷🏽♂️ if you want to say they executed better than UGA last season then no arguments there. UGA didn’t take care of business in the SECCG and Michigan cleaned up our mess. But don’t say UGA isn’t as committed to winning as Michigan. That’s inherently untrue and by all means UGA is the standard of CFB at this point
@@consciousm1nd for 1 I never said Michigan plays Alabama and lsu in their conference championship I literally pointed out the fact that Michigan and Georgia are literally 1 game apart in record over the last 3 years and for 2 the big 10 east is tougher than the sec east so it's easier for a team like Georgia to make it to the sec championship game than it is for a team like Michigan to make it to the big 10 championship. Yea Michigan has an easier opponent in the big 10 title game but Georgia isn't challenged until they make it to the sec championship so it's basically a reverse situation. And just because a team is has more talented players doesn't mean they are more committed to winning it just means they have more talented players. The fact that Michigan is barely top 15 in composite talent and uga is top 2 in the same category but have almost identical records pretty much proves my point. Not to mention Michigan beat the team Georgia lost to (basically at home) on a neutral site with a less talented roster
@@consciousm1nd also I never said that Michigan was more committed to winning than Georgia but at the same time I'm not saying that they weren't
@@jalencampbell718 UGA plays more ranked opponents every year than Michigan does… it took 10 weeks before Michigan played their first ranked team 😂😂 I also never said that YOU said Michigan was more committed to winning. That’s what JOEL KLATT said in the video. You didn’t have to say Michigan plays Bama and LSU WE ALREADY KNOW THEY DONT.
We also already know Michigan plays 2 “tough” games a year in OSU and Penn St. if you even want to call PSU a tough game considering they never win big games. Other than those 2 games Michigan plays cupcakes the entire season 😂
Michigan LOST TO UGA HEAD TO HEAD. Bama beat UGA when the 3 leading WRs were all injured 🤷🏽♂️ again I’m not one to blame injuries. It doesn’t change that we lost the game but does provide context to the game. Would it have been different if Bowers, McConkey, and Rara Thomas were healthy and playing? Maybe… maybe not 🤷🏽♂️ I’d like to say so.
As far as the talent point goes. UGA is the standard due to being better at everything 🤷🏽♂️ UGA recruits better than everyone and plays better than just about everyone. Let’s be honest here… in the last 2 years if your name isn’t Bama YOU DIDNT BEAT UGA 🤷🏽♂️
You are gonna be responding to a lot of emails. 225 is alot but its not outrageous. Im 53 now. at 30, 15 reps at 225 wouldn't be a problem and I was far from the strongest. There are LOTs of amateur lifters who can run 225 all day long.
Give me BC2 as my RB1 in the league. He is a gd DAWG and loves ball.
I'll send you a video doing 20 no problem
20 reps on the bench is easy money
No way Benson 8s better than corum