@@mineshadow9483 Nope. Alex covered it in another Short Circuit. Also the Core i5 is only 4 cores (versus 8 in the 5900HS) so there's enough thermal capacity for 1060 performance. There'a even 14-inch laptops out there will a 3050TI/3060 like the Acer Swift X and Zeyphrus G14.
@@handlemonium Actually now you've said this, the swift X is an even better value (at least on paper), with R7 5800U + 3050ti for $1100, or 5700U + 1650 for $100 less. Only downsides is its screen is pretty dim and non-touch
One of these days, I want to see an LMG staff member unbox and review a laptop in the truly budget category (sub-$500) and mention all the compromises that such a laptop makes to hit that pricepoint. Then, take someone with less experience with premium laptops to try out the laptop for a while to see how much these compromises affect the opinion of a layperson without the context of much better laptops.
Rich popular TH-camrs will never risk their reputation by reviewing and recommending forgettable cheap plasticky laptops under $400. Specially when it won't attract as many views as what they usually show. It would be considered a niche market to them. Reputation risk and low profit means a bad business investment in the research, purchasing, and script writing for that hypothetical episode. This coming from a guy who's yet to have an annual salary above 20k after taxes.
@@sutton4791 I'm not sure I'd completely agree. Some of LTT's most popular videos were the budget TVs/monitors series of videos. I think the issue with cheap laptops is that the LMG staff believe the experience is too poor, so they don't want to recommend something they believe their audience would not be satisfied with after purchase. There's also the e-waste argument. Linus has made clear his distaste for e-waste on numerous occasions, and cheap electronics will usually fail more quickly and easily while providing subpar user experiences, becoming items that will just fill a landfill somewhere. Since Linus dislikes the stuff, companies won't send them these types of products to review and unbox, and he won't go out buying them on purpose. Of course, I say all this as something Linus and the LMG staff think. I'm not so sure if actual average consumers care that much, which is why I asked for a second opinion on such a hypothetical video.
I actually think sub 700 is where the "sweet spot" for budget laptops is. You can usually get some pretty good specs without compromising too much stuff.
In defense, every laptop that I have purchased for myself has been in the $500 price point. And I would not consider them "a bad user experience". Then again... I have only ever owned either seriously obsolete and already mechanically failing, or near-$500, laptops, up until VERY Recently when I inherited my first "it's actually worth more than $500 by time I own it" laptop. A large gaming laptop with nearly exactly the same footprint as my older systems, just with VASTLY improved .... well .... everything. Except battery. 2 hours if I'm careful is usable, but a little tight even by my standards, and I wouldn't take it far without access to power. My objectively newest model in the "fleet" is my Lenovo Ideapad 330-15AAR. A Ryzen 5 *2500U (there is no 2600U, Josh...) based system. LMG would absolutely hate it, and many people who reviewed it thrashed it as well, however I love it and it served me well on an international vacation as my only computer for half a month. It was a highly worthy upgrade to my aging Asus M50v with a blown up GPU, and is superior in literally every way. Reviewers criticized its TN panel (okay I see why, but at this price point and time IPS was still out of reach), power throttling under sustained loads (I lost about 15FPS out of 90 playing Portal when it rolled back), and "pathetic" 3 hour battery life in favorable conditions. They also questioned why it can't charge over its USB-C port, but I'm barely getting my feet wet in the USB-C ecosystem, and was far deeper in "let's find creative ways to power things that have barrel jacks". I tuned mine to be able to run up to 4 hours. Which, coming from ancient machines where 3 hours was luxurious, this is plenty of power for my workflow, and if I need more, I have power banks capable of extending that significantly. My biggest complaint is that the touchpad does not behave the way I want it to. Two-finger scrolling acts bizarrely due to smoothing algo's (it'll run extremely slowly in some programs, and extremely quickly in others), and two-finger tap to right click doesn't work at ALL - you MUST click the touchpad. Which is actually annoying when I'm not used to press-clicking a touchpad because that's not a feature in laptops built in 2007... (I want my buttons below the touchpad back.)
@@TransparentlyDuplicitous You made valid points and I think those points are close to LMG's likely opinions. E-waste laptops/PCs will always exist. So it would still be nice if they made at least one video a year about actual budget laptops/PCs, like your original comment. It would help hundreds of thousands of people. They can do disclaimers on their view points regarding cheap laptops in the intro, what compromises to expect, and things to avoid.
A good budget laptop isn't $250-300 anymore, but $850+ is definitely not budget territory anymore. I bought my Lenovo Flex about a year ago for around $500. Has a ryzen 5 and 12 gb of ram (you can upgrade). I had to spend $60 on a larger ssd but that was it. But you could probably find some good stuff in the $350-500 range that would do great. This channel just doesn't do actual budget stuff.
Look, I get how this is cheaper than most ultrabooks but I don't think most people would consider $800 a budget option, especially the $1050 option you have here. Edit: Looks like they changed the name, guess that works.
Compared to almost two grand for other laptops, yeah that's budget. Any cheaper and your in bare minimum to buy a laptop territory and anything below even that is a toy.
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@@AJD... ik, it's just weird that every time, the "better" speakers sound more tinny to me, so I thought the bigger volume might've been hard on my Pixel 4a 🤷♀️
re: audio, I'm getting that even on my old acer.. it comes with dolby software that has EQs and stuff. But realistically the audio with the dolby stuff on - even with a flat EQ profile and no settings - is what the audio SHOULD sound like, and the 'off' setting is just deliberately made to sound like crap so that when you turn it on it makes you go "wow, this dolby thing is amaaaaaaazing". gag. Bad part #2 is that several programs (mostly those that connect to an audio input device) trigger it to self-disable. Bad part #3 is that it doesn't just change the output.. it changes the mixing.. meaning that if I record the audio output, and play it back, those 'corrections' are applied twice, and anyone without that junk software will also effective hear it applied twice (once by dolby's software, and 'once' because on THEIR systems, the sound with the dolby stuff off would have sounded right to begin with). Maybe do a techquickie on this? Even if just your specific case?
The HP laptop sounded way better anyway. The dell just sounded muddy as shit. Like listening to a song 50 meters removed from the speaker inside a tunnel.
Their machine shop video with the elgato wave panels, they used the miniDSP mic and REW to measure RT60 response, they COULD measure frequency sweeps with that measurement mic & REW from the listening position of a laptop user to show if any funny business is present in the frequency response.
The Dolby works on mine to make the speakers sound better but turn off for headphones. It has a weird audio sleeping feature that I haven't been able to disable though.
@@Kiritomens I agree. The Dell was louder overall, with much louder highs. The highs were very muted on the HP. But the Dell was distorted and messy, especially on those loud high notes. I'd be curious for another comparison with the Dell at ~70% volume. It definitely sounded like the speakers were over-working themselves, and it's possible that at 70% it would sound way better, and better than the HP. Can't say for sure though without actually hearing it.
I think anything 600-999$ could be considered mid range... basically anything that has metal construction but only 8gb of ram. Totally usable, but maybe not the best experience.
They need to make people think prices scyrocketing is totally normal and if they hammer it into enough heads, nobody will wonder about Core-i3/Ryzen3 800$+ "budget" anymore...
My 2017 Lenovo laptop that cost me 500 is still going strong! 8 gigs of RAM, a 7th gen i5. Not many bells and whistles, but this thing flies on Pop OS!
@@Fennek_Kaipii What kind of nonsense are you stupidly accusing them of here? What's the point of what you're saying? They're in a conspiracy to move the budget overton window for question-mark-profit?
I personally have this laptop( the exact same one they have), and owned it for about 3 months now, and for my work load as a student studying computer science, I personally don't regret it. The keyboard is actually really good and the feedback is incredible compared to other laptops I've own in the past, perfect snappy and tactical key witch, I will say that you do need finger lube for the trackpad, but it seems in the video that your unity has an issue with its trackpad. I was pressing down on it everywhere and couldn't find a single issue with it, it work just like a good trackpad. Also the keyboard flex is there, which is caused by the elevation of itself, its not really noticeable for regular use. The display if fine for outdoor usage, just gotta keep your brightness all the way up, and I can run valorant, in 1080 mid-high settings for refrence. I will say that it might be better to compare it more towards the xps 13, as of course the xps 15 is just better. over all its basically kinda like a xps 13 if it had a amd processor.
@@motivatorsoftheheart0007 Yakuza like a dragon runs at 28-40 fps at medium to low settings at 66% resolution scaling(720p). Expect slightly below Xbox One levels of GPU performance.
Y’all need to take the word “budget” out of the title. That’s a $1050 laptop. About double the price of what a normal person would consider “budget”. $1,000 is approaching the bottom end of the high end stuff, and is easily in the middle of a mid range laptop. Budget offerings are in the 350-600 price range, mid range is 600-1300 and high end is anything over that. Is there also an ultra high end (or “pro” or “luxury”) option? Yea, the new M1 Pro MacBook pros start at 2,000 and go all the way up to 6,100.
To be fair I just bought a Inspiron 14 non touch screen and it’s actually pretty reasonable. That dell preferred 12 month financing didn’t hurt either. It 650 for the i5
You want a "no budget" laptop. The best option you can get is no laptop, it's completely free and the experience isn't too bad. $200 or $400 windows laptop though? Pretty bad. That price you're only getting a chromebook unless you're fine with using a hyped up child's toy. If you don't care about features or quality, you can get a decent performing laptop for around $600 - but if it has one nice feature you can guarantee the performance is going to be horrible, and likely you can't upgrade it so you're going to need to replace it in a few years unless you're fine using something super shitty - you'd we way better buying a good used one.
I've been rockin an Inspiron 13 2in1 for the past almost year and MSRP was $1500 but I got it for $900, killer deal on Black Friday. These things honestly hold up great, amazing screen, snappy keyboard (quite literally as you said), and it has the wow factor for all the MacBook people in the room when I just flip it over and start writing (mine came with a pen).
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5:18 NO! The Flex 14 for $600 is the budget laptop (high end budget, but still budget), and the thing you’re holding is the midrange laptop! How do you not understand that!?!?!?
0:19. Fun fact. My phone was knocked into the dish water by my cats and now it only charges with my HP laptop type C charger. No idea why the stock Xiaomi charger or the 5w Sony charger won't work, but the 65w HP will.
That’ll be water damage to the protection circuit of the battery my dude. You’re basically sending enough power to it to bypass all the safety stuff. Eventually that bat is gonna puff and rapidly discharge (read as “explode”)
@@TheBackyardChemist my thinking was that the HP charger is just a little smarter or uses a different protocol than the Sony/Xiaomi one. Would this be a correct assumption?
@@Jackofafewtrades Its possible that your phone has 2 chips to handle both standard USB PD fast charging and Qualcomm non-standard fast charging. I would expect the HP charger to use the standard USB PD protocol.
A thousand dollar laptop isn't exactly a "budget laptop". Also 65 watts is the standard for a lot of laptops including the X1 carbon laptops from Lenovo. 45 watts are the weaker chargers and some laptops won't charge off a 45 watt charger. So can we get videos about actual budget laptops rather than laptops that are in the $1k range?
@@adultshawarma Bought a Dell M7710 used for less than this one, it's pretty much an ultrabook with its own dedicated graphics card and thunderbolt! It's a few years old, but gotdang it seems a better option than this.
@@adultshawarma Not really. Laptops such as HP Envy are good overall laptops that get the job done for the majority of people. Lenovo has some great options around the 700-800€ mark and you'd have to go below 500 to get what would actually be e-waste with ECC memory and useless CPUs.
@@OriginalDegree unless the touch screen supports a stylus then I don't c what's the benefit as most of Windows applications r designed for keyboard and mouse
For everyone saying it's too expensive, I bought this laptop on sale for like $530 (originally $850), so look out for sales if you want to buy any laptop.
Yea. $800 for a small ultrabook is dead 'Mid-range'. Informally called _Budget_ or 'Low-end' is typically around $400-700. Below $400 is what we call 'Entry-level' for Windows laptops. Considering HP's 'High-end' *Spectre* model that is equal to Dell XPS 13 start at *950$* , the 1k+$ for a cheaply built Inspiron is really quite _beyond_ overpriced.
It mid-range chassis with high specs for 14". $1000 is fair, thous the Pavilion is better. Zenbook UM series is also a good option with its metal chassis, but you have top bloc the highest RAM option.
“That’s not a ‘budget’ laptop! A ‘budget; laptop is priced at X dollars!” Consumer-targeted laptop prices go up to around $3500. Laptops priced at $1000 and below occupy the bottom-third of that price-range. That makes it perfectly reasonable to classify a laptop with a starting price of $850 as a “budget” model. Doesn't matter what a given individual is willing or able to pay. Besides that, it is often the case that buying the lowest-priced products works out to be more expensive in the end. There’s a saying: “Only the rich can afford cheap goods.”
hard ey? When I got my MacBook Air (2015 model) back in 2016, that was $1600 nod - aka roughly $1300 usd, and it's the bottom spec one. I'd consider this low midrange for the year it came out, given there was also laptops like the Thinkpad X260 i7 for around the same price. People seem to think that prices have only gone up really recently... no. Prices have been up for fkn years. I'm looking at getting this for University and I'm impressed with the performance it offers for such a low price point at $750 usd.
I got this laptop for college a few months ago, the biggest complaints I have are the unacceptable amount of Dell bloatware, and it not automatically switching from the speaker to headphones when I plug them in the jack. It may have something to do with the fact that I uninstalled the Waves Maxxaudio Pro software, but I have no idea. Anyway, eventually we did something right and this problem was mostly resolved, only now with a script popping up on the screen every time we plug in headphones. But oh well, that will have to do unless someone knows this issue and how to resolve it. It could be a hardware issue for all I know, and software is resolving it. Plus, I forgot to mention that there's something called Smartbyte that comes with the computer that I had to go out of my way to disable. It apparently slows down the internet speed.
@@patrycjadargacz4909 Yeah I think I've realized this. I don't like how easy it is to make this mistake, especially since there are both the desktop and Windows 10 versions installed by default. I am likely not the only one to think both of them don't need to be installed.
@@TheOnlyName Yeah, it sucks that the wavves software is needed for audio to function perfectly. I presume that they must have included some drivers that is only in the wavves software.
We have a client that had a ton of these. The quality control was TERRIBLE. We were having these sent in for repair CONSTANTLY. Battery swelling, fans not working, screen issues, charging problems. It's so bad which sucks because they seem nice...
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I bought this laptop (previous model) a year ago and it is excellent for almost everything. Battery is a little weak and the screen dim, but man. If you need to work on it, writing with a stylus makes engineering calculations a whole lot easier. Also it runs almost evey game that's not AAA graphics, big plus for that.
Used a dell inspirion 13 throughout college and with battery saving settings on I only got about 1.5 hours of charge and had to replace my battery and charging port once two years into owning it. It also would randomly crash about every hour if you were not careful. I highly advise that you don't buy one. Granted I did use it heavily for about 5 years, but no laptop should randomly crash nearly every hour regardless.
The only 3060 laptop at that price regularly is kinda terrible, so I don't think that's fair. But for 100 bucks you can regularly more you can get the same config w a 3060 from multiple vendors. That's the real killer.
it's meant to be a thin and light, not a gaming laptop. gaming laptops always have low battery life, are bulky, and may sacrifice stuff like the screen in order to get a 3060 in for a cheap price. also note that this is a 2 in 1 laptop, which may not be possible with a 3060. not everyone needs a gpu :)
For the same price I can get a base spec Macbook Air M1 which to me is very much a premium offering. Budget is up to 500$. 1000$ is definitely upper mid range to me
Have this laptop just to have something to run Linux and it works really well. Track pad does have a little more “play” in it than I would like, but the overall tracking works well.
The XPS 15 literally pulled a driver issue on camera. My XPS 15 has constant audio driver, fingerprint driver, and display out driver problems. They are nice laptops but damn are they a pain in the ass
Nowadays 1050 for a non GPU laptop is like... too expensive. Sure if you get an OLED top of the line screen with it sure, but come on. Whats better. Integrated GPU or a 1660Ti, 3050 Ti, even some cases you can get 2070 or 3060 for that price
After only a year and a half of ownership, I have realized I messed up. Beware, this laptop has a hinge defect that makes the right hinge come off. Any repair would be too expensive, so I am now in the market for a new laptop. I am planning on purchasing a Lenovo Yoga 7i this time.
the one thing that never makes sense to me in these reviews is the "deck flex" test. Like unless you're typing with hammers, you're not going to notice that, and you won't be bending your laptop on purpose to try and break it
I do notice it when laptops flex when typing, but it only really happens on plastic ones. On a channel that mainly reviews expensive laptops with metal frames I suppose you're right, the deck flex test doesn't make a ton of sense. But it is a way of showing off nice machined aluminium laptop frames for sure
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At first I was happy to finally see a review for the laptop that I had been issued with at work (dell latitude 7420). But then I realised that the video featured inspiron 14. They actually look almost identical from the outside. But differences are quite remarkable - chassis is much stiffer and well IO is different. And well I now appreciate down-facing speakers in a business or just a regular laptop that often sits in clamp mode on your desktop plugged into a monitor via type C cable.
People who think budget means cheap think this is a poor video. When ultimately you get what you’re paying for, with little to no trade offs, expandability, features, all for less then a flagship smart phone. In the middle of a world wide chip shortage where EVER electronic is more expensive, on top of tariffs, on top of inflation. Like guys, be reasonable.
@TheNextGamer21 osx is actually an incredibly good operating system and the only reason people shouldn't use it is if they need to run programs which won't run on osx. Sounds to me like you've never used it.
@TheNextGamer21 it doesn't really matter, because of how the os works. For example you might say that the windows key on a windows laptop opens the start menu right, but osx doesn't really have such a thing. Instead there's a tab out key on the top of the keyboard that essentially does the same thing, and you can search from there. I can factually say, as both a user of windows (desktop) and osx (laptop), that apple make their computers a whole lot easier to use; if you're not a power user anyway. The fact is that not so much navigation with the keyboard doesn't matter nearly as much on a laptop as it does on a desktop, and if people are using desktops then they'd have a proper mouse anyway. I'm needing to buy a laptop due to incompatibilities with osx (software engineering), but that's the only reason I'd ever get a windows laptop/desktop. Apple makes very good devices, both software and hardware.
I own this laptop, they received a faulty model. The battery life on this laptop is great about 7-8 hours with video playback, and there is less deck flex than what is shown in this video. Additionally this laptop supports the pn350 stylus which means you can do pressure sensitive drawing on the screen.
Inspiron 14 (new) Intel - i3 1125g4 - no Windows (saves 100$~) - 8gb ram - 250gb ssd - Student discount Costs exactly 500$~ (am from Europe and it's the best 500€ laptop by far)
Its when TH-cam channels get this big and successful, that they forget how little the little guy actually is. A $1,000 dollars goes a long way for a lot of people. Try reviewing laptops for 500 or less. Just to shake things up a little
laptops under these price points aren't worth unboxing imho they are nice for roundups, but the vid would mostly be yes there are cuts here and there but it is usable
This is the first video I am watching on my Dell Inspiron 15 5515 (5700U). A big upgrade from my Acer Aspire 3 A315 , I'd say. Everything about the laptop has amazed me so far. I am a Computer Science student btw if that says anything. Edit: Bought the laptop for $800.
@@loren1110 I think so. The 5515 also still does have a touch screen, it's just you can't fold back the display like the 2-in-1 laptops. I have had the laptop for a month and I love it. I also know someone with a Inspiron 14 3000 and they're happy with theirs. You won't be disappointed with the Inspiron 15 5515 (5700U) though. The battery life is also great for the computational power.
Probably should have titled the video "No Nonsense Laptop". "Budget" is a loaded term with lots of different opinions on what that means. Most seem to say $800-1000 is not in the budget range.
This is why I like office-targeted laptops better than consumer models. They're usually a bit chunkier, and you don't always get the latest and greatest bells and whistles, but because they're supposed to last through a corporate refresh cycle they're solidly built and easily repairable. My current laptop is a Latitude 5480. It's a couple years old, but it still has an i7-7820HQ and dedicated graphics (Nvidia 930MX, mediocre graphics but still) running a 1080 panel. It cost about the same as both of the laptops in this video (as an outgoing model, I admit), but the keyboard flexes even less than that HP. If you're in the market for a really budget-friendly laptop, look into refurbished, off-lease business machines. You'll get more for your money than you would out of a new machine at the same price point. $500 can go a long way, as long as you don't care about that new computer smell.
Yeah but I disagree with your budget idea, 300€ is more like cheapo, budget is 500€+ to me. But definitely not 800€ lol for that price I expect high end
I have this in 15 inch, touchscreen but not 2 in 1, 512 gb ssd, 16 gb RAM, Ryzen 7 5700U. I bought it on sale for $700 a few months back. It's a nice laptop but I don't game and was surprised that as far as productivity, it wasn't noticeably faster than my previous laptop which was an Intel 7 7th generation. I was really expecting some way bigger advances. It does feel really well built, with a nice keyboard and screen.
Wow, you guys sure dropped the "budget" from the originally posted title very quickly. At least you're still in-touch enough with your audience to read your comments and backtrack. Too bad you're not in-touch enough from the start to know what most people consider "budget".
@@moyatooctopus yes HMB (if actually supported by the he drive, for that Kingston drive the data sheet doesn't even state whether it's TLC or QLC but they advertise the impossibility of firmware updates as a feature 😞) does help to make it not utterly miserable anymore. Performance still falls well below the drives with Dram though so it's still worth mentioning
Regarding the sound, the Inspiron 14 has more "apparent loudness" and clearity because it has a lot more emphasis on the midrange frequencies, BUT... that also means the sound is less balanced, less in context with [primarily] the bass, and to some extent the high treble. That "apparent loudness" isn't necessarily better - it depends a lot on the application. To me, the Inspiron 14 (although loud) sounds a bit "tinny" or "bright", and that may well become fatiguing over time.
Somebody please explain to me how 850 dollars is "much more reasonable" or even "budget" 🙄 If you really want budget, I'd suggest sub 500 dollars or less. And don't tell me that isn't "good" enough
Simple explaination: at sub 500 dollars you will get something that cannot function as a work laptop for the vast majority of people. If you're a child wanting to watch youtube, then sure. Probably better to buy a tablet though. If you need to run even simple productivity apps, do any kind of video or photo manipulation, you'll need something in the $700-$1000 range. It's simply *never* enough "bang for you buck" to buy a laptop at that price, there's diminishing returns on low-end laptops as much as there is on high-end laptops.
500 dollars laptops aside from being cheaply built with a narrow gamut dim screen, also sport dual-core i3-s at best. Also, they have no USB-C Alt-mode, which is essential for docks. Also, they often have soldered 4g RAM with a single expansion slot. If you buy a laptop under $1000, you will regret it.
@@fregus. I don't think the general public even cares about photo or video editing. Everyone just uses a browser and some office apps. First world countries always have a different understanding of what budget is. If you earn about 1000 dollars a month, would you give away half for your laptop or all of it? And for what purpose. Ltt doesn't touch on these aspects. A budget in this video is the same as a mid spec non gaming laptop. If we were to assume LTTs audience is North America then 800 can be budget cause ppl can afford that with a salary. Outside of first world countries, NADA. Honestly, it rubs off as arrogant even if unintentional. As for being a child, I will assume you are one from your profile picture. I'm a looot older and have a much broader understanding of wage gaps and affordability so no, this is not budget.
@@tyaty soldered ram is horrible and 4GB for Windows is really bad. Agreed. But there are plenty, I repeat plenty of non-branded cheaper laptops with 8GB of ram and a 256GB ssd that will easily be budget friendly to below 500. Why is this so hard to accept. You're not looking for budget if you want a dock. Budget means simple ports, usb 3 A at most, hdmi, SD card.
@@TeffySam as someone who has tried to use multiple 500 dollar laptops for work, I can safely say it's not worth it. Sure, if you're not in a financial situation where you can afford at $1000 laptop, you're not going to buy one. I don't see that as a problem. The majority of people that watch LTT are people working in IT, software development or some kind of media role. The budget of those people is, of course, going to be higher than a minimum wage worker or someone who can't afford tech. A 1000 dollar laptop is the cheapest laptop that will accomplish any task you throw at it. anything less and you will have compromises. Lastly, there are exponentially more "truly budget" laptops than flagship laptops, LTT isn't able to go through every sub 500 dollar laptop and pick the best one. The average LTT viewer is perfectly capable of finding a laptop for the price they want, videos like these are to show off the best of that price range.
Does anyone else feel like the actual user experience and what you can do with a laptop hasn't kept pace with the increase in pricing. I feel the same with phones. It feels like with technological advancement you should be able to do so much more for less, but feels like you can do more for more. But the budget space hasn't really improved as much as it seems like it could have
I'm surprised you guys haven't reviewed the Acer swift x!! I was asked for a laptop recommendation and gotta say, bang for the buck that one seems to beat both of these in performance for the price. Maybe I'm missing something tho?
I bought this laptop 2 years ago and the one of the RAM sticks failed literally the day the warranty expired. Its a good thing that the sticks are swappable but until i get a new kit I have to run with half the ram. The charger fell apart at the cable seams less than a year of use and I had to get a new one.
As someone with this laptop, the trackpad is not supposed to travel that far, so you might have a defect. And yes, the speakers sound horrible and distort past half volume.
You guys need to standardize your deck flex test. I'm watching Alex press down on both laptops with "the same amount of force" and seeing both laptops flex significantly. Give me a standard "finger" pressing down with a standard force and measure the amount of deck flex.
A budget laptop for 70% of people is under $400... and they usually go to Walmart. Many will buy for under $300 as well. Black Friday usually sells a crap ton of dirt cheap laptops for the lower class and students.
I just got this. I love it and does everything I need it to. It also has just enough power to do a little gaming on the side. I can play Yakuza like a dragon at 720p low/medium with ssr on at a mostly constant 30 fps. I can even turn ssao on if I plug it into the charger. Only complaint is the screen.
About 80% of the ~$1000 Dell's I've gotten in lately have that track pad click issue lately. It feels like it's just off center a little and grinds against the palm-rest. I thi k they're cutting corners in q/a to meet demand. A crunchy track pad is better than no laptop at all.
This is my first Dell. I'm a user of MacBook air 2017 for 3 years and that's the longest time I have been using a laptop because of work from home. I used PC for the longest time and used old HP pavilion and Dell laptop for a little while. I don't know how the new Dell laptop trackpad feels but whenever I use it drags instead of click. Like instead of clicking a tab it opens on a new window. Are you experiencing the same? It's that the bug that you mean? I have never experienced it with any other laptops I used.
i swear they took my old inspiron 13 5378 2-in-1, put a bigger screen in, upgraded the processor to ryzen 5000 from 7th gen intel, modernized it, kept the design, and said done, and im not mad about it, my 5378 has a great design even though its 2cm thick and is plastic, is upgradeable, good value, good keyboard, fine touchpad, decent screen, and is touchscreen
Thanks for talking about the non matte screen. I get headaches from screen glare so anything like that is a massive factor in buying. The move towards only touchscreens is a real problem for me ...
$850 is a "second computer to my desktop" price for me, but the $750 laptop I bought was the ux305 back in the day. Core M, but premium ultralight chassis when that was first being pushed by Intel. Still rocking it and it's still great. I wonder what the equivalent today would be.
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Hello Short Circuit Crew, Just wondering when you are guys going to do a Short Circuit on Huawei's Matebook series laptops. You have done them in the past. Looks like they have gotten better, but a video would be nice from your perspective. Thanks for the vids.
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Everything is a budget laptop if your budget is big enough lol
Yeah the HP Envy 14 with a 1650 is worth the 50 bucks more......just get it.
@@handlemonium not easily hot?
There is still called a budget range for every segment
@@mineshadow9483 Nope. Alex covered it in another Short Circuit. Also the Core i5 is only 4 cores (versus 8 in the 5900HS) so there's enough thermal capacity for 1060 performance.
There'a even 14-inch laptops out there will a 3050TI/3060 like the Acer Swift X and Zeyphrus G14.
@@handlemonium Actually now you've said this, the swift X is an even better value (at least on paper), with R7 5800U + 3050ti for $1100, or 5700U + 1650 for $100 less. Only downsides is its screen is pretty dim and non-touch
One of these days, I want to see an LMG staff member unbox and review a laptop in the truly budget category (sub-$500) and mention all the compromises that such a laptop makes to hit that pricepoint. Then, take someone with less experience with premium laptops to try out the laptop for a while to see how much these compromises affect the opinion of a layperson without the context of much better laptops.
Rich popular TH-camrs will never risk their reputation by reviewing and recommending forgettable cheap plasticky laptops under $400. Specially when it won't attract as many views as what they usually show. It would be considered a niche market to them. Reputation risk and low profit means a bad business investment in the research, purchasing, and script writing for that hypothetical episode. This coming from a guy who's yet to have an annual salary above 20k after taxes.
@@sutton4791 I'm not sure I'd completely agree. Some of LTT's most popular videos were the budget TVs/monitors series of videos.
I think the issue with cheap laptops is that the LMG staff believe the experience is too poor, so they don't want to recommend something they believe their audience would not be satisfied with after purchase. There's also the e-waste argument. Linus has made clear his distaste for e-waste on numerous occasions, and cheap electronics will usually fail more quickly and easily while providing subpar user experiences, becoming items that will just fill a landfill somewhere. Since Linus dislikes the stuff, companies won't send them these types of products to review and unbox, and he won't go out buying them on purpose.
Of course, I say all this as something Linus and the LMG staff think. I'm not so sure if actual average consumers care that much, which is why I asked for a second opinion on such a hypothetical video.
I actually think sub 700 is where the "sweet spot" for budget laptops is. You can usually get some pretty good specs without compromising too much stuff.
In defense, every laptop that I have purchased for myself has been in the $500 price point.
And I would not consider them "a bad user experience".
Then again... I have only ever owned either seriously obsolete and already mechanically failing, or near-$500, laptops, up until VERY Recently when I inherited my first "it's actually worth more than $500 by time I own it" laptop. A large gaming laptop with nearly exactly the same footprint as my older systems, just with VASTLY improved .... well .... everything.
Except battery. 2 hours if I'm careful is usable, but a little tight even by my standards, and I wouldn't take it far without access to power.
My objectively newest model in the "fleet" is my Lenovo Ideapad 330-15AAR. A Ryzen 5 *2500U (there is no 2600U, Josh...) based system.
LMG would absolutely hate it, and many people who reviewed it thrashed it as well, however I love it and it served me well on an international vacation as my only computer for half a month.
It was a highly worthy upgrade to my aging Asus M50v with a blown up GPU, and is superior in literally every way. Reviewers criticized its TN panel (okay I see why, but at this price point and time IPS was still out of reach), power throttling under sustained loads (I lost about 15FPS out of 90 playing Portal when it rolled back), and "pathetic" 3 hour battery life in favorable conditions. They also questioned why it can't charge over its USB-C port, but I'm barely getting my feet wet in the USB-C ecosystem, and was far deeper in "let's find creative ways to power things that have barrel jacks".
I tuned mine to be able to run up to 4 hours. Which, coming from ancient machines where 3 hours was luxurious, this is plenty of power for my workflow, and if I need more, I have power banks capable of extending that significantly.
My biggest complaint is that the touchpad does not behave the way I want it to. Two-finger scrolling acts bizarrely due to smoothing algo's (it'll run extremely slowly in some programs, and extremely quickly in others), and two-finger tap to right click doesn't work at ALL - you MUST click the touchpad. Which is actually annoying when I'm not used to press-clicking a touchpad because that's not a feature in laptops built in 2007... (I want my buttons below the touchpad back.)
@@TransparentlyDuplicitous You made valid points and I think those points are close to LMG's likely opinions. E-waste laptops/PCs will always exist. So it would still be nice if they made at least one video a year about actual budget laptops/PCs, like your original comment. It would help hundreds of thousands of people. They can do disclaimers on their view points regarding cheap laptops in the intro, what compromises to expect, and things to avoid.
That trackpad sounds like my back when I stand up in the morning
Are you okay….
Amen to that 😅. I sound like a bag of pop rocks getting out of bed
@@lazycubes7370 no I am 31 already 😭
You should really get that looked at...
@@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit it was just a meme cause of how bad it sounded. No worries
man i miss back when budget laptops were 250$-300$ instead of 1000$.
Ah yes i loved the atom and celeron chips and 4GB ram, having to reinstall windows every 4 motnhs because it became slow as hell.
A used laptop at that price will almost always be better than a $300 laptop.
There's inflation too. $200-$300 laptops from the past were total crap.
@@Xfade81 fair fair but I'd still like to see more 500-600$ laptops instead of 800-1000
A good budget laptop isn't $250-300 anymore, but $850+ is definitely not budget territory anymore. I bought my Lenovo Flex about a year ago for around $500. Has a ryzen 5 and 12 gb of ram (you can upgrade). I had to spend $60 on a larger ssd but that was it. But you could probably find some good stuff in the $350-500 range that would do great. This channel just doesn't do actual budget stuff.
Look, I get how this is cheaper than most ultrabooks but I don't think most people would consider $800 a budget option, especially the $1050 option you have here.
Edit: Looks like they changed the name, guess that works.
Inflation is getting worse and there's an electronic shortage. Things are changing.
@@Verdigo76 funny how things never seem to get cheaper...
Compared to almost two grand for other laptops, yeah that's budget. Any cheaper and your in bare minimum to buy a laptop territory and anything below even that is a toy.
@@Verdigo76 you can still get sub $500 laptops.
This isn’t budget this is just LTT trying to get more views.
@@bianchialex you don’t know what budget is then.
I like the grayscale editing to help convey which laptop is playing. Great editing!
Same
When things were at their very worst:
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Scientists will say it was a global illusion.
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The "better" speakers always sound more tinny to me. Is it a volume thing?
@@destituteanddecadent9106 well, in the end you are listening to them through your own speakers so it's not the most objective test ever
@@AJD... ik, it's just weird that every time, the "better" speakers sound more tinny to me, so I thought the bigger volume might've been hard on my Pixel 4a 🤷♀️
Editor: puts 2.0 with a cross through it
Everyone watching: so.... it does have HDMI 2.1?
1.4a flashed up before as he was going through them
re: audio, I'm getting that even on my old acer.. it comes with dolby software that has EQs and stuff. But realistically the audio with the dolby stuff on - even with a flat EQ profile and no settings - is what the audio SHOULD sound like, and the 'off' setting is just deliberately made to sound like crap so that when you turn it on it makes you go "wow, this dolby thing is amaaaaaaazing". gag. Bad part #2 is that several programs (mostly those that connect to an audio input device) trigger it to self-disable. Bad part #3 is that it doesn't just change the output.. it changes the mixing.. meaning that if I record the audio output, and play it back, those 'corrections' are applied twice, and anyone without that junk software will also effective hear it applied twice (once by dolby's software, and 'once' because on THEIR systems, the sound with the dolby stuff off would have sounded right to begin with).
Maybe do a techquickie on this? Even if just your specific case?
The HP laptop sounded way better anyway. The dell just sounded muddy as shit. Like listening to a song 50 meters removed from the speaker inside a tunnel.
Great idea for a techquickie
Their machine shop video with the elgato wave panels, they used the miniDSP mic and REW to measure RT60 response, they COULD measure frequency sweeps with that measurement mic & REW from the listening position of a laptop user to show if any funny business is present in the frequency response.
The Dolby works on mine to make the speakers sound better but turn off for headphones. It has a weird audio sleeping feature that I haven't been able to disable though.
@@Kiritomens I agree. The Dell was louder overall, with much louder highs. The highs were very muted on the HP. But the Dell was distorted and messy, especially on those loud high notes. I'd be curious for another comparison with the Dell at ~70% volume. It definitely sounded like the speakers were over-working themselves, and it's possible that at 70% it would sound way better, and better than the HP. Can't say for sure though without actually hearing it.
I think anything 600-999$ could be considered mid range... basically anything that has metal construction but only 8gb of ram. Totally usable, but maybe not the best experience.
Seriously! How is $800-$1000 considered "budget"?
@@boom8606 At this point I think LTT doesn't really remember what people consider reasonable prices for budget laptops.
They need to make people think prices scyrocketing is totally normal
and if they hammer it into enough heads, nobody will wonder about Core-i3/Ryzen3 800$+ "budget" anymore...
My 2017 Lenovo laptop that cost me 500 is still going strong! 8 gigs of RAM, a 7th gen i5. Not many bells and whistles, but this thing flies on Pop OS!
@@Fennek_Kaipii What kind of nonsense are you stupidly accusing them of here? What's the point of what you're saying? They're in a conspiracy to move the budget overton window for question-mark-profit?
I personally have this laptop( the exact same one they have), and owned it for about 3 months now, and for my work load as a student studying computer science, I personally don't regret it.
The keyboard is actually really good and the feedback is incredible compared to other laptops I've own in the past, perfect snappy and tactical key witch, I will say that you do need finger lube for the trackpad, but it seems in the video that your unity has an issue with its trackpad. I was pressing down on it everywhere and couldn't find a single issue with it, it work just like a good trackpad.
Also the keyboard flex is there, which is caused by the elevation of itself, its not really noticeable for regular use.
The display if fine for outdoor usage, just gotta keep your brightness all the way up, and I can run valorant, in 1080 mid-high settings for refrence. I will say that it might be better to compare it more towards the xps 13, as of course the xps 15 is just better.
over all its basically kinda like a xps 13 if it had a amd processor.
Could you tell me how this laptop is for gaming?
@@motivatorsoftheheart0007 good enough, not a gaming laptop tho
Gonna sound random, but where the bottom plastic meets the sides, is there a small "lip" or is it a smooth surface?
@@motivatorsoftheheart0007 Yakuza like a dragon runs at 28-40 fps at medium to low settings at 66% resolution scaling(720p). Expect slightly below Xbox One levels of GPU performance.
any problem with hinge you faced and what about battery
i love the timing of this video being released just after one of the most expensive laptop reveals in recent times
Yeah lol
Was it Apple? I didn’t hear about this.
U know what's more expensive than a laptop?
Your lap.
Feed me money humans
@@JourneyToTheSky In India, it's almost 8k USD. I really don't think this laptop was meant for the normal people.
@@JourneyToTheSky Yup, the new MacBook Pros *start* at $2,000 USD for just the 14 inch M1 Pro variant.
Y’all need to take the word “budget” out of the title. That’s a $1050 laptop. About double the price of what a normal person would consider “budget”. $1,000 is approaching the bottom end of the high end stuff, and is easily in the middle of a mid range laptop. Budget offerings are in the 350-600 price range, mid range is 600-1300 and high end is anything over that. Is there also an ultra high end (or “pro” or “luxury”) option? Yea, the new M1 Pro MacBook pros start at 2,000 and go all the way up to 6,100.
"Budget" Look, I love you LMG, but your definitions for budget continue to annoy me.
Any amount is "budget". Budget doesn't mean "cheap". US army has a yearly *budget* of $725 billion.
@@czarkowskipawelyt context can have a big influence on the meaning of words.
To be fair I just bought a Inspiron 14 non touch screen and it’s actually pretty reasonable. That dell preferred 12 month financing didn’t hurt either. It 650 for the i5
Budget does not mean cheapest possible item...
You want a "no budget" laptop. The best option you can get is no laptop, it's completely free and the experience isn't too bad. $200 or $400 windows laptop though? Pretty bad. That price you're only getting a chromebook unless you're fine with using a hyped up child's toy.
If you don't care about features or quality, you can get a decent performing laptop for around $600 - but if it has one nice feature you can guarantee the performance is going to be horrible, and likely you can't upgrade it so you're going to need to replace it in a few years unless you're fine using something super shitty - you'd we way better buying a good used one.
I've been rockin an Inspiron 13 2in1 for the past almost year and MSRP was $1500 but I got it for $900, killer deal on Black Friday. These things honestly hold up great, amazing screen, snappy keyboard (quite literally as you said), and it has the wow factor for all the MacBook people in the room when I just flip it over and start writing (mine came with a pen).
Yeah? I found a 14 in the dumpster and factory rest it and been off to the races!! Lol
Is it still holding up? The hinges on mine popped out after 2.5 yrs
i would say this is midrange, budget laptops are like 500 and less
Right! Consumerism isn't for poor people
I got this laptop for 600
I bought an LG Gram with 16gbs ram, new for $799 at costco. This is as much of a "value" as it is "budget"
CPU ?
@Phoenix 𝙾𝚙𝚎𝚗 𝙼𝚢 PROFILE Glad yours worked out. The two I got were defective. One massive overheat issue and the other wireless and another heat issue.
LTT Again not knowing the definition of "budget"
Here's me thinking it's 350-450 laptop and it's 1000 lol hardly a budget laptop guys
For a gamer but not a regular user
5:18 NO! The Flex 14 for $600 is the budget laptop (high end budget, but still budget), and the thing you’re holding is the midrange laptop! How do you not understand that!?!?!?
0:19. Fun fact. My phone was knocked into the dish water by my cats and now it only charges with my HP laptop type C charger. No idea why the stock Xiaomi charger or the 5w Sony charger won't work, but the 65w HP will.
I've been explaining to people for years: You can have cats, or you can have nice electronics. Not both.
That’ll be water damage to the protection circuit of the battery my dude. You’re basically sending enough power to it to bypass all the safety stuff. Eventually that bat is gonna puff and rapidly discharge (read as “explode”)
@@abnormallynormal8823 That is not how USB PD works
@@TheBackyardChemist my thinking was that the HP charger is just a little smarter or uses a different protocol than the Sony/Xiaomi one. Would this be a correct assumption?
@@Jackofafewtrades Its possible that your phone has 2 chips to handle both standard USB PD fast charging and Qualcomm non-standard fast charging. I would expect the HP charger to use the standard USB PD protocol.
A thousand dollar laptop isn't exactly a "budget laptop". Also 65 watts is the standard for a lot of laptops including the X1 carbon laptops from Lenovo. 45 watts are the weaker chargers and some laptops won't charge off a 45 watt charger.
So can we get videos about actual budget laptops rather than laptops that are in the $1k range?
A $700 one just arrived, slowly making our way down! -AC
If you want an actually good budget laptop, just buy one used. Budget laptops have and always been e-waste
This laptop also went on sale not too long ago for roughly $600 for the Ryzen 5 model
Source: Bought this laptop
@@adultshawarma Bought a Dell M7710 used for less than this one, it's pretty much an ultrabook with its own dedicated graphics card and thunderbolt! It's a few years old, but gotdang it seems a better option than this.
@@adultshawarma Not really. Laptops such as HP Envy are good overall laptops that get the job done for the majority of people. Lenovo has some great options around the 700-800€ mark and you'd have to go below 500 to get what would actually be e-waste with ECC memory and useless CPUs.
"budget" laptop still cost twice as much as mine
cost 3x as much as mine
Yeah 700usd is starting to enter the budget zone, I'd say 350 to 550 is budget
M1 macbook air for $900 is like miles ahead of this...
I was about to say the same lol, 1250 for the 16gb blows this absolutely out of the water
Touch screen gentlemen but still slightly expensive
Yup
@@OriginalDegree unless the touch screen supports a stylus then I don't c what's the benefit as most of Windows applications r designed for keyboard and mouse
@@OriginalDegree touchscreens don’t add any value to a laptop. Especially if there is no pen support
For everyone saying it's too expensive, I bought this laptop on sale for like $530 (originally $850), so look out for sales if you want to buy any laptop.
"This is the sort of laptop where you just want, AN laptop" Love the Jeremy Clarkson reference
Edit: timestamp 13:58
The LTT crew is really spoiled if they think $800 is a "budget" laptop
I was thinking the same.
It is though, you would need to spend atleast 800 to get good specs
few years ago I'd say the same. But value for money's price point has risen to around anything below $1k in current days
Yea. $800 for a small ultrabook is dead 'Mid-range'. Informally called _Budget_ or 'Low-end' is typically around $400-700. Below $400 is what we call 'Entry-level' for Windows laptops.
Considering HP's 'High-end' *Spectre* model that is equal to Dell XPS 13 start at *950$* , the 1k+$ for a cheaply built Inspiron is really quite _beyond_ overpriced.
They do live in their bubble
> No-nonsense budget laptop
> "this thing comes in at $1050"
ok
It mid-range chassis with high specs for 14". $1000 is fair, thous the Pavilion is better.
Zenbook UM series is also a good option with its metal chassis, but you have top bloc the highest RAM option.
“That’s not a ‘budget’ laptop! A ‘budget; laptop is priced at X dollars!”
Consumer-targeted laptop prices go up to around $3500. Laptops priced at $1000 and below occupy the bottom-third of that price-range. That makes it perfectly reasonable to classify a laptop with a starting price of $850 as a “budget” model. Doesn't matter what a given individual is willing or able to pay.
Besides that, it is often the case that buying the lowest-priced products works out to be more expensive in the end. There’s a saying: “Only the rich can afford cheap goods.”
hard ey? When I got my MacBook Air (2015 model) back in 2016, that was $1600 nod - aka roughly $1300 usd, and it's the bottom spec one. I'd consider this low midrange for the year it came out, given there was also laptops like the Thinkpad X260 i7 for around the same price. People seem to think that prices have only gone up really recently... no. Prices have been up for fkn years. I'm looking at getting this for University and I'm impressed with the performance it offers for such a low price point at $750 usd.
I got this laptop for college a few months ago, the biggest complaints I have are the unacceptable amount of Dell bloatware, and it not automatically switching from the speaker to headphones when I plug them in the jack. It may have something to do with the fact that I uninstalled the Waves Maxxaudio Pro software, but I have no idea. Anyway, eventually we did something right and this problem was mostly resolved, only now with a script popping up on the screen every time we plug in headphones. But oh well, that will have to do unless someone knows this issue and how to resolve it. It could be a hardware issue for all I know, and software is resolving it. Plus, I forgot to mention that there's something called Smartbyte that comes with the computer that I had to go out of my way to disable. It apparently slows down the internet speed.
Bloat is easy to delete with a reinstall of a Linux install, but the audio issue seems... Strange.
@@superslimanoniem4712 Yeah, it really is.
Extremely late reply but your audio issues come from uninstalling the Wavves software.
@@patrycjadargacz4909 Yeah I think I've realized this. I don't like how easy it is to make this mistake, especially since there are both the desktop and Windows 10 versions installed by default. I am likely not the only one to think both of them don't need to be installed.
@@TheOnlyName Yeah, it sucks that the wavves software is needed for audio to function perfectly. I presume that they must have included some drivers that is only in the wavves software.
it saddens me that $1000 is considered "budget", wasn't all that long ago when you could buy a decent Alienware gaming laptop for that much
We have a client that had a ton of these. The quality control was TERRIBLE. We were having these sent in for repair CONSTANTLY. Battery swelling, fans not working, screen issues, charging problems. It's so bad which sucks because they seem nice...
“it is a touchscreen” screen doesn’t register touch 😂
"Hello guys, I'm reviewing this cool BUDGET car. Which is, I have to say, for broke people only, but I thought hey, let's give that Mercedes S Class a try anyway. Althought for that price of course you can't expect much."
And their reasoning be like, “well it is budget if you consider the price of Maybach or a Rolls”
I bought this laptop (previous model) a year ago and it is excellent for almost everything. Battery is a little weak and the screen dim, but man. If you need to work on it, writing with a stylus makes engineering calculations a whole lot easier. Also it runs almost evey game that's not AAA graphics, big plus for that.
I got this. The screen really is too dim but the battery is really good now
Used a dell inspirion 13 throughout college and with battery saving settings on I only got about 1.5 hours of charge and had to replace my battery and charging port once two years into owning it. It also would randomly crash about every hour if you were not careful. I highly advise that you don't buy one. Granted I did use it heavily for about 5 years, but no laptop should randomly crash nearly every hour regardless.
Imagine spending 1000$ on this laptop when you can have an RTX 3060 Laptop for same price....
some people actually want their laptop to last all day and have a gaming pc at home that blows the mobile 3060 out of the water
The only 3060 laptop at that price regularly is kinda terrible, so I don't think that's fair.
But for 100 bucks you can regularly more you can get the same config w a 3060 from multiple vendors. That's the real killer.
Imagine buying a laptop when you can use a steam deck smh
Not everyone is a gamer and wants a 9lbs machine with 3 hours of battery life
it's meant to be a thin and light, not a gaming laptop. gaming laptops always have low battery life, are bulky, and may sacrifice stuff like the screen in order to get a 3060 in for a cheap price. also note that this is a 2 in 1 laptop, which may not be possible with a 3060. not everyone needs a gpu :)
past: _"Hey dude, you are getting a Dell!"_
present: _"Hey dude, you are getting a... Dell?"_
Still the most commonly used brand in business. People should really consider buying their business grade machines (even off eBay or Dell outlet).
Interesting timing with one of the most expensive laptops I’ve ever seen lol
Yeah, my spec ended up costing me just shy of $3k
@@-SP. you spent 3K on this?
@@How23497 I think he's talking about the new macbook pros
It's 850 for a 5700u and 16gb ram, I think that's good
love your profil name and pic HAHA
“We need to bring out the big dingus”
Someone’s been watching dankpods
If only they picked it up at Cashies and used the 1 Grit to open it
I love that you release a video on the laptop I bought yesterday.
Is that a good or bad thing... lol
@@techno_magnus I’m happy to know I made a decent purchase. Especially considering I got it $350 off here in Canada
@@joshhills8316 dang, that's pretty good.
For the same price I can get a base spec Macbook Air M1 which to me is very much a premium offering. Budget is up to 500$. 1000$ is definitely upper mid range to me
M1 is way better
Budget is whatever the budget is. It's not synonymous for cheap.
M1 has better performance but the compromise you take with apple is compatibility issues with windows programs.
@@tams805 Got that wrong. Budget is not whatever the budget is if that was the case everything would be a budget product.
Have this laptop just to have something to run Linux and it works really well. Track pad does have a little more “play” in it than I would like, but the overall tracking works well.
Boss (Linus) hopping into the frame makes this video better.
On LTT, we have record of dropping things. 13:25
The XPS 15 literally pulled a driver issue on camera. My XPS 15 has constant audio driver, fingerprint driver, and display out driver problems. They are nice laptops but damn are they a pain in the ass
Nowadays 1050 for a non GPU laptop is like... too expensive. Sure if you get an OLED top of the line screen with it sure, but come on. Whats better. Integrated GPU or a 1660Ti, 3050 Ti, even some cases you can get 2070 or 3060 for that price
Yeah i got a 1660 Ti Laptop for under that price. Weird
So $1,000 is officially budget? Come on guys, a huge percentage of your audience is probably living paycheck to paycheck.
Across the world, from paycheck to paycheck
Then they probably can't fit an extraneous purchase into their budget
3 mos + paycheck in some countries 😅
After only a year and a half of ownership, I have realized I messed up. Beware, this laptop has a hinge defect that makes the right hinge come off. Any repair would be too expensive, so I am now in the market for a new laptop. I am planning on purchasing a Lenovo Yoga 7i this time.
Heyy. If you don't mind I'll like to ask whether you faced an overheating issue. Temps going upwards of 100 degrees C while charging. I'm facing it.
@@RP-kr2mg It's been a while since I used it, I remember it might've gotten a little warm, but I don't recall any overheating issues.
Digging the synthwave. And when it abruptly stops 😆
Well, for me budget laptop is 500$ top.
seeing this after seeing the new macbook is like looking a video from years back, I'm not even an apple fan, but heck is cheap so why not.
Love how detailed the instructions are
the one thing that never makes sense to me in these reviews is the "deck flex" test. Like unless you're typing with hammers, you're not going to notice that, and you won't be bending your laptop on purpose to try and break it
@Chilli Potato who cares about that though? you are not going to notice it day-to-day...
@@Liloz01
I do. Non-rigid laptops are nasty to type on, even with a light touch.
You can notice it if its really bad
I do notice it when laptops flex when typing, but it only really happens on plastic ones. On a channel that mainly reviews expensive laptops with metal frames I suppose you're right, the deck flex test doesn't make a ton of sense. But it is a way of showing off nice machined aluminium laptop frames for sure
@@sarahilmao7294
Also, you get the 'feels cheap experince ' out of it.
Budget laptop
$1000+
Pick one.
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@@harrisonfair5039 That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Mr James Matheson
I heard his strategies are really good
At first I was happy to finally see a review for the laptop that I had been issued with at work (dell latitude 7420). But then I realised that the video featured inspiron 14. They actually look almost identical from the outside. But differences are quite remarkable - chassis is much stiffer and well IO is different.
And well I now appreciate down-facing speakers in a business or just a regular laptop that often sits in clamp mode on your desktop plugged into a monitor via type C cable.
People who think budget means cheap think this is a poor video.
When ultimately you get what you’re paying for, with little to no trade offs, expandability, features, all for less then a flagship smart phone. In the middle of a world wide chip shortage where EVER electronic is more expensive, on top of tariffs, on top of inflation. Like guys, be reasonable.
What are you guys' opinions on the new MacBooks with the new M1 pro and max
overpriced
You'll find out soon!
@@honk2448 there are windows laptop that cost the same and i can already tell u dell asus acer razer hp msi will not come close to the new mbs
Actually made for professionals (So expensive, common people will find buying it uneconomical!)
@@MonicaHolly143 there are windows/other os laptops that are worse, but the new apple products are still overpriced
oh boy what a timing, considering M1 pro, M1 Max. This looks like childs play
@TheNextGamer21 osx is actually an incredibly good operating system and the only reason people shouldn't use it is if they need to run programs which won't run on osx. Sounds to me like you've never used it.
@TheNextGamer21 it doesn't really matter, because of how the os works. For example you might say that the windows key on a windows laptop opens the start menu right, but osx doesn't really have such a thing. Instead there's a tab out key on the top of the keyboard that essentially does the same thing, and you can search from there. I can factually say, as both a user of windows (desktop) and osx (laptop), that apple make their computers a whole lot easier to use; if you're not a power user anyway. The fact is that not so much navigation with the keyboard doesn't matter nearly as much on a laptop as it does on a desktop, and if people are using desktops then they'd have a proper mouse anyway. I'm needing to buy a laptop due to incompatibilities with osx (software engineering), but that's the only reason I'd ever get a windows laptop/desktop. Apple makes very good devices, both software and hardware.
I own this laptop, they received a faulty model. The battery life on this laptop is great about 7-8 hours with video playback, and there is less deck flex than what is shown in this video. Additionally this laptop supports the pn350 stylus which means you can do pressure sensitive drawing on the screen.
Inspiron 14 (new) Intel
- i3 1125g4
- no Windows (saves 100$~)
- 8gb ram
- 250gb ssd
- Student discount
Costs exactly 500$~
(am from Europe and it's the best 500€ laptop by far)
Its when TH-cam channels get this big and successful, that they forget how little the little guy actually is. A $1,000 dollars goes a long way for a lot of people. Try reviewing laptops for 500 or less. Just to shake things up a little
Laptops under that price point are basically chrome books and horribly equiped Windows laptops that i wouldnt touch with a 30 foot barge pole.
laptops under these price points aren't worth unboxing imho
they are nice for roundups, but the vid would mostly be yes there are cuts here and there but it is usable
A nice juxtaposition between this pretty affordable laptop & the behemoth money-sinks that are the new MacBook Pros that were announced today.
This is the first video I am watching on my Dell Inspiron 15 5515 (5700U). A big upgrade from my Acer Aspire 3 A315 , I'd say. Everything about the laptop has amazed me so far. I am a Computer Science student btw if that says anything.
Edit: Bought the laptop for $800.
you think the inspiron 15 5515 is better than the 14 2 in 1 for programming?
@@loren1110 I think so. The 5515 also still does have a touch screen, it's just you can't fold back the display like the 2-in-1 laptops. I have had the laptop for a month and I love it. I also know someone with a Inspiron 14 3000 and they're happy with theirs. You won't be disappointed with the Inspiron 15 5515 (5700U) though. The battery life is also great for the computational power.
@@just_matt3937 that’s great! tysm!!
@@loren1110 no problem!
My first laptop was Inspiron 13 and it was pretty good for the price.
It had a pen to navigate through it and 360 hinge.
Probably should have titled the video "No Nonsense Laptop". "Budget" is a loaded term with lots of different opinions on what that means. Most seem to say $800-1000 is not in the budget range.
Lol they did
Shortcircuit reviewing reasonably priced items? Is Linus on vacation or something?
When possible, check out the Dell Inspiron 16+. It is a budget Xps 15/17. It is almost like the no nonsense laptop.
This is why I like office-targeted laptops better than consumer models. They're usually a bit chunkier, and you don't always get the latest and greatest bells and whistles, but because they're supposed to last through a corporate refresh cycle they're solidly built and easily repairable. My current laptop is a Latitude 5480. It's a couple years old, but it still has an i7-7820HQ and dedicated graphics (Nvidia 930MX, mediocre graphics but still) running a 1080 panel. It cost about the same as both of the laptops in this video (as an outgoing model, I admit), but the keyboard flexes even less than that HP.
If you're in the market for a really budget-friendly laptop, look into refurbished, off-lease business machines. You'll get more for your money than you would out of a new machine at the same price point. $500 can go a long way, as long as you don't care about that new computer smell.
Do these guys really know what budget means these days?, I fail to see how a £839 laptop is budget. Budget is £250+ imo
you can hardly get good smartphones for that price. Good luck getting a laptop with good specs for that price
Yeah but I disagree with your budget idea, 300€ is more like cheapo, budget is 500€+ to me. But definitely not 800€ lol for that price I expect high end
Depends on the context i guess.
I consider 800€ for my gaming laptop budget.
@@toaster98 Yeah definitely, and for a work laptop I think 800€ is already a good price, without any dedicated graphics card, just basic CPU
That isn’t budget, that’s midrange
I have this in 15 inch, touchscreen but not 2 in 1, 512 gb ssd, 16 gb RAM, Ryzen 7 5700U. I bought it on sale for $700 a few months back. It's a nice laptop but I don't game and was surprised that as far as productivity, it wasn't noticeably faster than my previous laptop which was an Intel 7 7th generation. I was really expecting some way bigger advances. It does feel really well built, with a nice keyboard and screen.
Only one type c... I have 2 laptops, one cost 350 euros, other was imported from US, 1k, both have 2 type c. It's a must have for the charging for me
Wow, you guys sure dropped the "budget" from the originally posted title very quickly. At least you're still in-touch enough with your audience to read your comments and backtrack. Too bad you're not in-touch enough from the start to know what most people consider "budget".
this is far from a "budget" laptop
The problem with those 2230 M.2 SSDs is that I don't know of a single model that isn't DRAM-less. So performance is gonna be pretty spotty on those.
In NVME DRAMless is fine. It’s no longer the SATA days where DRAMless banished you to utter performance hell.
@@moyatooctopus yes HMB (if actually supported by the he drive, for that Kingston drive the data sheet doesn't even state whether it's TLC or QLC but they advertise the impossibility of firmware updates as a feature 😞) does help to make it not utterly miserable anymore. Performance still falls well below the drives with Dram though so it's still worth mentioning
Regarding the sound, the Inspiron 14 has more "apparent loudness" and clearity because it has a lot more emphasis on the midrange frequencies, BUT... that also means the sound is less balanced, less in context with [primarily] the bass, and to some extent the high treble. That "apparent loudness" isn't necessarily better - it depends a lot on the application. To me, the Inspiron 14 (although loud) sounds a bit "tinny" or "bright", and that may well become fatiguing over time.
Somebody please explain to me how 850 dollars is "much more reasonable" or even "budget" 🙄
If you really want budget, I'd suggest sub 500 dollars or less. And don't tell me that isn't "good" enough
Simple explaination: at sub 500 dollars you will get something that cannot function as a work laptop for the vast majority of people.
If you're a child wanting to watch youtube, then sure. Probably better to buy a tablet though.
If you need to run even simple productivity apps, do any kind of video or photo manipulation, you'll need something in the $700-$1000 range.
It's simply *never* enough "bang for you buck" to buy a laptop at that price, there's diminishing returns on low-end laptops as much as there is on high-end laptops.
500 dollars laptops aside from being cheaply built with a narrow gamut dim screen, also sport dual-core i3-s at best. Also, they have no USB-C Alt-mode, which is essential for docks.
Also, they often have soldered 4g RAM with a single expansion slot.
If you buy a laptop under $1000, you will regret it.
@@fregus. I don't think the general public even cares about photo or video editing. Everyone just uses a browser and some office apps. First world countries always have a different understanding of what budget is. If you earn about 1000 dollars a month, would you give away half for your laptop or all of it? And for what purpose. Ltt doesn't touch on these aspects. A budget in this video is the same as a mid spec non gaming laptop. If we were to assume LTTs audience is North America then 800 can be budget cause ppl can afford that with a salary. Outside of first world countries, NADA. Honestly, it rubs off as arrogant even if unintentional.
As for being a child, I will assume you are one from your profile picture. I'm a looot older and have a much broader understanding of wage gaps and affordability so no, this is not budget.
@@tyaty soldered ram is horrible and 4GB for Windows is really bad. Agreed. But there are plenty, I repeat plenty of non-branded cheaper laptops with 8GB of ram and a 256GB ssd that will easily be budget friendly to below 500. Why is this so hard to accept.
You're not looking for budget if you want a dock. Budget means simple ports, usb 3 A at most, hdmi, SD card.
@@TeffySam as someone who has tried to use multiple 500 dollar laptops for work, I can safely say it's not worth it. Sure, if you're not in a financial situation where you can afford at $1000 laptop, you're not going to buy one. I don't see that as a problem. The majority of people that watch LTT are people working in IT, software development or some kind of media role. The budget of those people is, of course, going to be higher than a minimum wage worker or someone who can't afford tech.
A 1000 dollar laptop is the cheapest laptop that will accomplish any task you throw at it. anything less and you will have compromises.
Lastly, there are exponentially more "truly budget" laptops than flagship laptops, LTT isn't able to go through every sub 500 dollar laptop and pick the best one. The average LTT viewer is perfectly capable of finding a laptop for the price they want, videos like these are to show off the best of that price range.
Does anyone else feel like the actual user experience and what you can do with a laptop hasn't kept pace with the increase in pricing. I feel the same with phones. It feels like with technological advancement you should be able to do so much more for less, but feels like you can do more for more. But the budget space hasn't really improved as much as it seems like it could have
It seems like there are loads of decent laptops under $500-$600, I'd love to see some of those.
in hp aero also you can sign in without touching the power button
I'm surprised you guys haven't reviewed the Acer swift x!! I was asked for a laptop recommendation and gotta say, bang for the buck that one seems to beat both of these in performance for the price. Maybe I'm missing something tho?
0:35 that was a smooth transition
I bought this laptop 2 years ago and the one of the RAM sticks failed literally the day the warranty expired. Its a good thing that the sticks are swappable but until i get a new kit I have to run with half the ram. The charger fell apart at the cable seams less than a year of use and I had to get a new one.
As someone with this laptop, the trackpad is not supposed to travel that far, so you might have a defect. And yes, the speakers sound horrible and distort past half volume.
You guys need to standardize your deck flex test. I'm watching Alex press down on both laptops with "the same amount of force" and seeing both laptops flex significantly. Give me a standard "finger" pressing down with a standard force and measure the amount of deck flex.
A budget laptop for 70% of people is under $400... and they usually go to Walmart. Many will buy for under $300 as well. Black Friday usually sells a crap ton of dirt cheap laptops for the lower class and students.
I just got this. I love it and does everything I need it to. It also has just enough power to do a little gaming on the side. I can play Yakuza like a dragon at 720p low/medium with ssr on at a mostly constant 30 fps. I can even turn ssao on if I plug it into the charger. Only complaint is the screen.
Should’ve got an m1
About 80% of the ~$1000 Dell's I've gotten in lately have that track pad click issue lately. It feels like it's just off center a little and grinds against the palm-rest. I thi k they're cutting corners in q/a to meet demand. A crunchy track pad is better than no laptop at all.
The trackpad is an issue among those laptops. I had two of these fail on me.
This is my first Dell. I'm a user of MacBook air 2017 for 3 years and that's the longest time I have been using a laptop because of work from home. I used PC for the longest time and used old HP pavilion and Dell laptop for a little while. I don't know how the new Dell laptop trackpad feels but whenever I use it drags instead of click. Like instead of clicking a tab it opens on a new window. Are you experiencing the same? It's that the bug that you mean? I have never experienced it with any other laptops I used.
i swear they took my old inspiron 13 5378 2-in-1, put a bigger screen in, upgraded the processor to ryzen 5000 from 7th gen intel, modernized it, kept the design, and said done, and im not mad about it, my 5378 has a great design even though its 2cm thick and is plastic, is upgradeable, good value, good keyboard, fine touchpad, decent screen, and is touchscreen
Thanks for talking about the non matte screen. I get headaches from screen glare so anything like that is a massive factor in buying. The move towards only touchscreens is a real problem for me ...
$850 is a "second computer to my desktop" price for me, but the $750 laptop I bought was the ux305 back in the day. Core M, but premium ultralight chassis when that was first being pushed by Intel. Still rocking it and it's still great. I wonder what the equivalent today would be.
that synth background music, so nice
literally just purchased this laptop a month ago for my first year in college.
I just bought this laptop a month ago, and it's perfect for photoshop, internet and office tools I think this is the best laptop for the price
Is the screen matte or ?
@@nogoblox yes it has a matte screen.
@@edwincruz6830 ok, just another question. Did you buy 2in1 or the normal 14 inch one? Im thinking of buying haha
@@nogoblox yes, I have the 2 in 1
the subtitle is not synced from 9:22 due to the clarification segment. I guess the third-party transcriber got the video/script before the editing, which is unfortunate 😢
not only is this not a budget laptop, the last one of these I had bricked itself and googling it reveals it's not a rare issue
I’m pretty sure your units track pad is defective because mines click is beautiful
Hello Short Circuit Crew,
Just wondering when you are guys going to do a Short Circuit on Huawei's Matebook series laptops. You have done them in the past. Looks like they have gotten better, but a video would be nice from your perspective.
Thanks for the vids.
My idea of a budget laptop is Acer Aspire Cloudbook 14.